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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 348 - Beam Me Up Hottie · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 4: And here we go.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, you're not muted tonight, Helia, and you finally have
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  Speaker 5: your uh your monitors incorrectly, So hopefully bro the folks,
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  Speaker 5: things go a little better this evening.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the sound has been great the past
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  Speaker 4: couple of shows, but they mislabeled right and left. I
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  Speaker 4: swear to god, it's insane.
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  Speaker 5: One would think that you could look past that and
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  Speaker 5: figure it out. Sometimes it's the simplest of things to
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  Speaker 5: get its show.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that is true, and this episode topic is not
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  Speaker 4: the simplest thing because there are a lot of sy
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  Speaker 4: ops and misinformation going on in the UFO arenas.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of horses assery, a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot of it, more than even the JFK assassination. It's
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  Speaker 4: it's a lot. So we will get into it.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and we you know, I credit Gordon Develle
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  Speaker 5: with kicking all this shit off and getting us into
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  Speaker 5: the weird side of things and then all these hoax
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  Speaker 5: documents we've been coming across, and this episode kind of
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  Speaker 5: has a little bit of everything for everyone in it.
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  Speaker 5: So Joe, before we get started, let me first apologize
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  Speaker 5: for us being a little late here. All good now though, okay,
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  Speaker 5: and let's welcome in some of our favorite folks.
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  Speaker 4: The Chat has been popping in Intestine for your arrival.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, thank you for what do they call it grand
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  Speaker 5: standing or filibustering until.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, but it's it's not that because I
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  Speaker 4: love chatting with the Chat. So we were having some
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  Speaker 4: good times here. And I just want to say before
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  Speaker 4: we have rocket Queen Colleen back, who has been sick
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  Speaker 4: and she is joining us, so I just want to
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  Speaker 4: give her the first shout out because we love her.
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  Speaker 5: Glad you were doing better, Colleen, and glad to see
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  Speaker 5: you here. You have been missed. Yeah, awesome. Who else
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  Speaker 5: is up in here?
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  Speaker 4: Joseph, Well, I'd beat tiny. When I saw the episode thing,
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  Speaker 4: I said, what the record show? Joe beat tiny? But
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  Speaker 4: tiny for sure. We have rocket Queen Colleen, as we
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  Speaker 4: just mentioned, slacker Dan James Smith, mister Trey, Paul Cummings,
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  Speaker 4: mister Scott Edwards flying like a saucer with his super
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  Speaker 4: fancy drink in front of the fireplace. Although maybe it's
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  Speaker 4: not a fireplace now.
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  Speaker 6: That it's summer, but hopefully not.
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  Speaker 4: He could have one of those fake fireplaces I had,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 5: I had one of those very sweaty bolts.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and the double b rob gifted, of course, like
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  Speaker 4: the goat that he is, gifted five memberships as we
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  Speaker 4: were waiting.
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  Speaker 5: Oh did you get another one?
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  Speaker 4: I did not, but I just got an email one
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  Speaker 4: minute ago saying my membership is expiring. So I'm glad
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  Speaker 4: YouTube is on it.
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  Speaker 5: But we had a new covert operator Joe.
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  Speaker 4: Oh we do that's him?
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  Speaker 5: Or let mean pull it up here, let's see here.
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  Speaker 5: It was an odd name, That's why I don't remember DCO.
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  Speaker 5: DCO thirty nine actually joined a week ago, so welcome dcoes,
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  Speaker 5: Owen Smith rejoined and light Katano rejoined on our spooks level.
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  Speaker 5: So oh, thank you awesome. Yeah, appreciate all of you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And as you know, or as most of you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you become a covert operator, you have access to
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  Speaker 4: months and months and months of and hours and hours
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  Speaker 4: and hours of members only shows, probably fifty.
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  Speaker 7: To one hundred, way too much.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lot, but we have a lot of fun
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  Speaker 4: over there. And and on Wednesday, I played a clip
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  Speaker 4: of my Joe's hockey Highlights, which is a regular segment
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  Speaker 4: over there, and how your boy for Joe, your boy
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  Speaker 4: got the worst of a hit. And it's funny because
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  Speaker 4: I was trying to clip that into a one minute
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  Speaker 4: short so we and send it to you, but I
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  Speaker 4: could only get one minute in twelve seconds, so I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: But I sent it to my hockey friends and chat
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  Speaker 4: and they said, your boy he sold you out.
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  Speaker 5: All I do is speak the truth, Joe, That's all
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And and upon further reflection, you did speak the
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  Speaker 4: truth because your boy leads the whole league, not the
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  Speaker 4: team penalty minutes.
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  Speaker 5: Your league enough for your bullshit.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, there they are fighting back and do need me?
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  Speaker 4: As I went headfirst into the boards, I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 4: I have a concussion headaches are still not as bad
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  Speaker 4: as like Wednesday, but still but yeah, I I asked
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  Speaker 4: for it. You know, if I play physical, I can't
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  Speaker 4: complain about physicality uh in return, so that would be hypocritical.
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  Speaker 4: I do not want to be hip, but join in
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  Speaker 4: uh to be a covert operator to see Joe's hockey
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  Speaker 4: highlights every Wednesday. Hell yeah, yeah, all right, let's see
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  Speaker 4: if I miss anyone else the people that got memberships.
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  Speaker 4: Frosty got one art.
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  Speaker 5: Stay Frosty, my friend.
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  Speaker 4: Stay Frosty. That is a military term. Yeah, stay ready
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  Speaker 4: art Grego art, Hello Art, Yes, welcome, sir. The audio
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  Speaker 4: has hm h h Owen Smith Owen, what's up? And
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  Speaker 4: light Katango?
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  Speaker 7: Hey, I think he's he's on his second free When
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  Speaker 7: I think he's a lucky guy, you rejoined. So he
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  Speaker 7: is a lucky guy like Katango.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and as a covert, as a spook, you'll
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  Speaker 4: get uh. The last Wednesday of the month members only
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  Speaker 4: the end of the month.
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  Speaker 5: So I see perpetual concepts up in here. Jared James
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  Speaker 5: Smith is up in here. Slacker Dan, if you'd like
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  Speaker 5: to be on the roll, call step to the front
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  Speaker 5: of the line and say hi folks. Shreeve Portray Tray, Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and Trey did listen. After we talked about this
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  Speaker 4: on the Wednesday show. The Doomsday plane took off from Shreveport,
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  Speaker 4: Louisiana a couple.
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  Speaker 6: Of days ago.
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  Speaker 4: So that's definitely we'll let you sleep better at night.
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  Speaker 5: I know Audio Host was a German electronic music band.
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  Speaker 5: We're big in Germany, folks, huge, huge. I respect it,
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  Speaker 5: all right, Joe. So let's set the table a little
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  Speaker 5: bit for this discussion we're going to be having this evening. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: it's one of the theories that have been out there
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  Speaker 5: for a little while, so to say, and it mainly
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  Speaker 5: reve around one document, which I'm going to thrust upon
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  Speaker 5: the screen right this second, Joe, Yes, thrust us. Oh,
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  Speaker 5: there you go.
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  Speaker 4: The November twelfth, nineteen sixty three document.
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  Speaker 5: Correct, you are correct, sir. Now, this document here was unearthed,
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  Speaker 5: I believe, Joe, as recently as twenty twelve, so it
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  Speaker 5: hasn't been around forever, but it's been around, you know,
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  Speaker 5: thirteen years or so, long enough for people to start saying, hey,
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  Speaker 5: there may be something to this document, Joe. The problem
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  Speaker 5: is is that the person who found this document allegedly
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  Speaker 5: at the National Archives, or I believed was accidentally sent
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  Speaker 5: it if I can find the guy damn paper I'm
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  Speaker 5: looking for.
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  Speaker 4: Here, I hear the papers rustling in the.
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  Speaker 5: Pepers are furiously wrestling. Okay, here's the providence of this letter. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: And in twenty eleven, my bad, a ufhone investigator. Of course,
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  Speaker 5: it's not a JFK researcher. It's a ufone investigator named
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  Speaker 5: William Lester unearthed a memo courtesy of a Freedom of
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  Speaker 5: Information Act search which he suggested provided evidence of a
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  Speaker 5: motive for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, one connected
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  Speaker 5: the UFOs. The letter was written allegedly by JFK to
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  Speaker 5: the head of the CIA, which would have been McCone right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: in the letter ten days prior to his assassination, which
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  Speaker 5: is pretty pretty recent, you know. The secret memo is
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  Speaker 5: one of two letters written by JFK allegedly asking for
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  Speaker 5: information about the paranormal otherwise known as u f o's
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  Speaker 5: Now what this thing says here is is dated November twelfth,
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  Speaker 5: nineteen sixty three. It's labeled top secret. Now, what's a
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  Speaker 5: little troubling here is the header is redacted, okay, but
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  Speaker 5: it's allegedly from John F. Kennedy. So why would you
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  Speaker 5: redact if it's on White House stationary? Why would you
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  Speaker 5: redact this thing? But whatever, and leave John F. Kennedy's
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  Speaker 5: name at the bottom. It says it's a memorandum for
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  Speaker 5: the director and then his name is redacted, but we
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  Speaker 5: know who that is.
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  Speaker 4: Why would they do that?
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  Speaker 5: Of the Central on ten Diligence Agency? And this subject
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  Speaker 5: is classification review for all UFO intelligence films or file
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  Speaker 5: sorry affecting national security. It says, as I discussed with
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  Speaker 5: you previously, I have initiated redacted and have instructed James Webb,
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  Speaker 5: who was working for NASA back then at the time
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  Speaker 5: and who they named the Giant ass Telescope I guess right,
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  Speaker 5: to develop a program with the Soviet Union in joint
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  Speaker 5: space and lunar exploration. Now again, this document was written
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  Speaker 5: allegedly on November twelfth, nineteen sixty three, ten days before.
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  Speaker 5: It would be very helpful if you would have the
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  Speaker 5: high threat cases reviewed with the purpose of identification of
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  Speaker 5: bona fide as opposed to classified CIA and USAF sources.
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  Speaker 5: It is important that we make a clear distinction between
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  Speaker 5: the knowns and unknowns in the event the Soviets try
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  Speaker 5: to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence
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  Speaker 5: gathering of their defense or space programs. When this data
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  Speaker 5: has been sorted out, I would like you to arrange
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  Speaker 5: a program of data sharing with NASA where unknowns or
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  Speaker 5: UFOs are a factor. This will help NASA mission directors
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  Speaker 5: in their defense defensive responsibilities. I would like an interim
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  Speaker 5: report on the data no later than February one, nineteen
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  Speaker 5: sixty four. Signed John F. Kennedy right. And this guy
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  Speaker 5: who allegedly found this William Lester said that the CIA
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  Speaker 5: released the documents to him under the Foyer Act after
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  Speaker 5: he made a request while researching his book entitled A
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  Speaker 5: Celebration of Freedom, JFK and the New Frontier. According to Lester,
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  Speaker 5: Kennedy's interest in UFOs adds some fuel to conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 5: about his assassination. Some of you followist that Lester spoke
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  Speaker 5: with say that the document released to the mister Lester
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  Speaker 5: by the CIA adds weight to the suggestion that the
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  Speaker 5: president was killed in order to stop him from discovering
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  Speaker 5: the truth about UFOs, and one of the secret documents
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  Speaker 5: released under the Freedom of Information Act. JFK writes to
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  Speaker 5: the Director asking for the UFO files, and the second
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  Speaker 5: memo sent to the NASA administrator, the President expresses a
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  Speaker 5: desire for cooperation with the former Soviet Union on mutual
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  Speaker 5: outer space activities. In our interview with Lester, he said
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  Speaker 5: of Kennedy, one of his concerns was that a lot
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  Speaker 5: of these UFOs were being seen over the Soviet Union,
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  Speaker 5: and he was very concerned that the Soviets might interpret
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  Speaker 5: these UFOs as US aggression, believing that it was some
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  Speaker 5: sort of our technology and not you know, aliens from
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  Speaker 5: outer space.
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  Speaker 4: Right, which might prompt a retaliatory act, which.
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  Speaker 5: Is like, yeah, yeah, they might think that it was
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  Speaker 5: us trying to attack them, and they would then turn
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  Speaker 5: nuke's ship out of us and we really didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and we see it too. Busy, I missed you.
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  Speaker 4: That is my fault. I have a CONCUSI but are
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  Speaker 4: you busy? Yes, how are you, sir? And Anthony Tripp.
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  Speaker 5: As well, the thunder from down Under, Yes, Anthony was up.
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  Speaker 5: I think this is one of the reasons why he
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  Speaker 5: wanted to get his hands on this information and get
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  Speaker 5: it away from the jurisdy of NASA, so he could
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  Speaker 5: say to the Soviets, look, that's not us, We're not
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  Speaker 5: doing it. We're not being pro provocative where you know,
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  Speaker 5: like we have the same concerns you do, like we're
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  Speaker 5: seeing this weird stuff in the sky, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: we don't want to think that it's you accidentally and
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  Speaker 5: bomb you, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Right, which which aligns with JFK's anti escalatory activities, right
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  Speaker 4: it lines up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Lester used the Foyer procedure as part of his research.
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  Speaker 5: He said the government regularly declassifies documents after a certain
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  Speaker 5: amount of time goes by, and then you have to
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  Speaker 5: file a request for these documents. And he says, when
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  Speaker 5: I was in the process of filing, those letters had
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  Speaker 5: just become declassified and released to the public. At the time,
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  Speaker 5: I think other people were getting them too, Yet nobody
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  Speaker 5: else decided to write a book about it except for
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  Speaker 5: this guy. But some archivists or researchers have questioned the
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  Speaker 5: authenticity of the Top secret memo because of course, when
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  Speaker 5: you come across a memo that is a little bit sketchy,
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  Speaker 5: automatically people say, oh, that can't be real. It's got
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  Speaker 5: to be a hoax, Joe, It's too good to be true.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we have reviewed a couple of those documents recently
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  Speaker 4: on the show.
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  Speaker 5: You know, sometimes these documents or that assessment of the
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  Speaker 5: documents holds wa holds a little water, sometimes not so much.
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  Speaker 5: But of course, you know how JFK researchers are. You
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  Speaker 5: got to go dig in and seeing what you can
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  Speaker 5: find out, right, So some researchers question things they A
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  Speaker 5: research technician at the JFK Library in Boston said that
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  Speaker 5: he was unable to find a carbon copy of it
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  Speaker 5: in its presidential archive, which holds copies of all of
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  Speaker 5: JFK's letters on official White House letterhead written from the
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  Speaker 5: Oval Office, and of course they could not find the
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  Speaker 5: carbon copy of it. He said. We did some research
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  Speaker 5: into the presidential papers to try to find any evidence.
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  Speaker 5: Since it was dated very specifically November twelve, nineteen sixty three,
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  Speaker 5: should be easy to find, right, especially a letter to
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  Speaker 5: John mccoone, the director of the CIA. But in searching
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  Speaker 5: through the President's office files, including all of those with
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  Speaker 5: pretending to CIA, NASA, or National Security, we could find
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  Speaker 5: no evidence of this memo or anything remotely like it.
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  Speaker 5: He went on to say, something is a little odd
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  Speaker 5: about it. It is sanitized in very odd places, right,
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  Speaker 5: which we pointed.
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  Speaker 4: Out sanitized being redacted.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, and including the entire bottom portion of the letter,
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  Speaker 5: which Kennedy did not write. So that's a little odd, right, Joe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean my guess is it's like handwritten notes
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  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But yeah, yeah, but yeah, they obviously.
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  Speaker 5: Saying don't tell this motherfucker anything. Yes, who knows, But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's redacted, the director's name, the top heading of the document,
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  Speaker 5: which usually distinguishes which agency is generating it, and then
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  Speaker 5: the tiny top secret print at the top of the letter.
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  Speaker 5: Top secret items are usually stamped in large dark inkland letter.
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  Speaker 5: But again, this is coming from a personal note from
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  Speaker 5: JFK to macone. It's not like some gigantic official document,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you know what I mean, especially talking about
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  Speaker 5: this kind of information. So but Lester, the guy who
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  Speaker 5: originally came forward with the document, believe to be authentic
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  Speaker 5: and claim that the memo provides a missing link in
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  Speaker 5: a conspiracy theory surrounding another document, which we'll get to
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  Speaker 5: here in a little while, uh, one in which many
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  Speaker 5: conspiracy theorists arre he shows that the CIA killed Kennedy
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  Speaker 5: to prevent his involvement in a UFO cover up. And
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  Speaker 5: like I said, we'll get there eventually, but we want
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  Speaker 5: to go through this thing kind of a chronological order,
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  Speaker 5: so nobody gets confused. So we'll say that that document
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  Speaker 5: for a little later, Joe. But now back to us
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  Speaker 5: being in chronological order of this whole UFO phenomenon. Of course,
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  Speaker 5: the earliest I mean UFO has been cited allegedly for
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  Speaker 5: thousands and thousands of years in human history, Joe, right,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you can see him depicted in paintings from
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  Speaker 5: them from the Renaissance period. Even when Jez is hanging
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  Speaker 5: on a cross, there's the UFOs in the sky. You
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  Speaker 5: know what was the star of bethale Am. Joe's the
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  Speaker 5: UFO of course.
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  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, And I think they even have some in
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  Speaker 4: the Egyptian hieroglyphics or it could be.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Some of the more interesting ones to me, though, Joe,
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  Speaker 5: are like from more of a modern history, but pre flight.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, as you know, the Wright Brothers first
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  Speaker 5: flew a really shitty kite airplane in like was nineteen eleven,
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  Speaker 5: and Kitty Hawk, I believe so. Right, that's allegedly the
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  Speaker 5: first airplane flight. Now, of course, it would take a
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  Speaker 5: little while for that to you know, not long, maybe
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  Speaker 5: five or ten years before what we consider the modern
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  Speaker 5: day airplane would be born that could actually fly for
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  Speaker 5: long distances or more than a couple of feet before
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  Speaker 5: slamming into a sand dune, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: But like it, And you could find these accounts everywhere
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  Speaker 5: because you know, quote modern newspapers, you know, from like
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  Speaker 5: the eighteen hundreds, you know, we have we have news
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  Speaker 5: accounts of a lot of different things, including the Civil War,
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  Speaker 5: the Lincoln assassination. You know, there's newspapers. This is the
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  Speaker 5: dawn of you know, newspapers, and there's all these crazy
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  Speaker 5: stories about people seeing things in the sky. Now and
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  Speaker 5: at that time, there shouldn't be anything in the sky, right,
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  Speaker 5: we haven't invented it yet. So what exactly are these
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  Speaker 5: people seeing which you know paves the way for ball lightning.
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  Speaker 5: You know, what is this weird phenomenon that people are
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  Speaker 5: seeing swamp gas or you know is well, yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: think they did have they probably did have hot air
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  Speaker 5: balloons in the eighteen hundreds, I would think, right, maybe.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. That's a good question.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, it's a good question. I'm sure someone
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  Speaker 5: in the chat will know, because they're not idiots like us. No,
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  Speaker 5: but you know what I'm saying, As far as flying
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  Speaker 5: machines in the sky, there should not be any, but
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: we do have written accounts and newspaper articles of this phenomenon.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: If you will now fast forward to the twentieth century.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: It really starts jumping off, of course, after World War Two,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: right right now, if you really do some research into
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: things as far as flying saucers. Okay, the main culprits
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: that pop up all the time are, of course the Nazis.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, they had you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: of course, the most brilliant scientists of the time working
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: on a rocket propulsion, jet propulsion, advanced weapons systems, laser,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: I mean everything, And yeah, there's this thing that they
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: figured out called the bell. They even had circular shaped
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: craft that had been designed. I don't know if it
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: had actually been put into use during the war, but
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: I believe shortly after the war, which is where all
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: of this stuff starts to kick off. Okay, and is
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: the year nineteen forty seven at least in America. Okay,
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: this is where the famous Roswell crash happens, right, but briefly,
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: before we get to the Roswell incident, there was another
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: incident that involved one of the alleged players in the
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: JFK assassination. And that man's name was fred Lee Christmin.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: All right, Now, Garrison was hot on this guy's trail,
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: made several statements implicating Fred Lee Christmin of being on
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: the Grassy Knoll being caught in the tramps photograph. You
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: know that's fred Lee Christmin, right, Yeah, Now, fred Lee
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Christman is an interesting guy. And Thomas Beckham is a
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: big part of the Fred Lee Christmin story. I don't
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: know whether he hads to it or takes away from it,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: but in his book he really goes all in and
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: basically says, look, friendly Crispin was a super top secret
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: CIA agent. He had ties to the Defense Industrial Complex.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: You know, he had a phone in his car, like
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: which people didn't have that shit in sixty three, right,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: but he did. He was able to get them onto
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: air force bases, right, which just some random dude, you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: a subject a school teacher should not be able to
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: just you know, orchestrate his way into a top secret
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: military facility, but apparently Chrismin could get him in, and allegedly,
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Beckham says, you know, he also told him about Project
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: looking Glass or Operation looking Glass all the way back then.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: And of course, if you add into the mystique that
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: big bad CIA agent Fredlee Crispmin was involved in the assassination,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: you know, he was brought to New Orleans and questioned
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: by Jim Garrison in front of the Grand Jury. He
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: alleged it that Fred Cristman was the first person that
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: clay Shaw called after Garrison indicted him, you know, implicating
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: that they were friends or you know, cohorts, workers, whatever
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: you want to call it, back in the day. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: I say all that just to go back a little
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: bit to the very beginning, because the modern day UFO phenomenon,
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: whether you believe it or not, I mean, and it's
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: being talked about in Congress now, it's being talked about
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: by our government now. There is a ship ton of
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: evidence out there, right, but of course we haven't got
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: the definitive, you know, caught on eight K, the Aliens
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: land and sit and pop out and say take me
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: to your leader. We don't have that yet. We have
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: a lot of independent and I would say thousands and
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: thousands of accounts of either seeing UFOs, being abducted by UFOs,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: seeing aliens aboard those UFOs, you know, being diddled by
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: aliens on said UFOs and then drop back off. You know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: there was the movie Fir in the Sky. You know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: these crazy accounts of people that you know that they're
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: hard to discount, especially when they're seemingly come from credible people, right,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: And it's just hard to dismiss certain things. I mean,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: you can't call everybody crazy, right, we can, but is
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: everybody that crazy?
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah? There are twelve thousand, six hundred and eighteen sightings
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: investigated during the Project blue Book.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: What're moving on to, right, And that's just a snapshot
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: in time of people who actually said things and and
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: a lot of these people were government employees, you know, uh,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: air force pilots, airline pilots, you know, people that should
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: be credible, and a lot of them have come out
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: and said, hey, this is happening. You know, we're seeing
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: things up here. You know, we don't know what they are.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Sometimes they're on radar, sometimes they're not. Sometimes they're fast.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Sometimes they're not. Sometimes they fly with us, sometimes they don't.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Sometimes they cross our path or we see them. You know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: what is going on here? Now there's a belief that, okay,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: or is what we're seeing from out of space? Are
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: these interdimensional craft that are weaving in and out of
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: our reality from a different dimension? Or are they coming
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: from inside the Earth, maybe from Antarctica, maybe out of
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: the ocean. Are they us from the future coming back
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: to visit figure we figured out how to time travel.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Now we're coming back. We're testing things because maybe there's
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: a human a crisis and humanity in the future and
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: they need to come back and get something. I don't know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: you know, but there's there's so many theories, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: is it is it just us? You know? And are
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: we keeping this technology that we reversed engineered from crashed
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: UFOs to now what we're seeing is actually us us.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: We're testing this stuff out. We're pro pro promethesizing the myth,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: if you will, of the UFO. I mean, think about it, Joe.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: It would benefit America if we had this technology to
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: be able to write something like this off as just
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: a UFO sighting, right, especially in another country like Russia, right.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Blame it on the UFOs. We don't have this type
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: of technology, or blame it on the Russians to increase
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: military put right.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: And it's not just us who are seeing him, it's
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: people in countries all over the world, you know, Brazil, Mexico, ussr, Czechoslovakia, England,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: people all over the world claim to see UFOs. Right.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: But to take it all back to the start of
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: the modern day UFO phenomenon, we have to go back
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: to what is known as the Moury Island incident. Okay, now,
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: what this is. It refers to claims made by two fellas,
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: one named Fred Crispin and the other named Harold Dahl,
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: of falling debris and threats by men in black following
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: sightings of UFOs in the sky over Moury Island to Washington.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: And they claimed that the events occurred on June twenty first,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: nineteen forty seven. Now the reason, just keep that dat
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: in mind. June twenty first, nineteen forty seven. This is
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: pre roswell by a couple of weeks. And here's a
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: depiction of what they saw.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Joe.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Now, apparently these guys were out in the Puget Sound
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: and what they were doing, Joe, is apparently the way
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: that loggers moved logs back then was through the water, right,
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: and sometimes these things would go off course or fall
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: off boats or whatever what have you. And now there's
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: all these nice logs that are floating around in the
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: Puget Sound that are just forgotten. So these guys are
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: kind of like scavengers, if you will. They go around
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: and they get all the loose logs for free and
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: sell them, you know, because they just happen to have
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: a boat, and this is what they do. They figured
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: they can do this easy, easy scavenging and make money
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: doing it right, right. So they claim to have been
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: out on the Pugees Sound one day doing this exact thing,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: you know, trying to find these logs or whatever, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: they claim to see some UFO. Actually let's uh, let
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: me see here. They claimed the UFO like discarded or
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: was leaking some kind of substance which they were calling
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: slag okay, which was some kind of a weird metallic
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: substance okay, And that they actually collected some of this
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: shit that fell on their boat. Right. So again, this
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: was June twenty first. On June twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: We're talking. Three days later, a private pilot named Kenneth
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Arnold reported that he saw nine shiny unidentified flying objects
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: flying past Mount Rainier at speeds that Arnold estimated to
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: be about one thousand, two hundred miles an hour, which
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: is fast. Okay, so he's claiming to see nine of them. Yep,
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: you got it, Colleen. The rivers were used to transport logs,
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: and people were employed by mills to corral the logs. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Arnold's report gathered nationwise news coverage, and his description of
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: the objects also led to press quickly coining the terms
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: flying saucer and flying disc as popular descriptive terms for UFOs.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Ten days later, so this would have been at the
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: beginning of August Sometime, Captain E. J. Smith, who was
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: his co pilot, and a stewardess also bore their plane
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: reported witnessing unidentified objects in the Pacific Northwest. Now, after
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: his story was publicized, Kenneth Arnold was contacted by a
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: guy named Raymond Palmer, who was the editor of a
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: science fiction magazine called Amazing Stories. Because it was an
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: amazing story, right, Palmer related to Arnold the story of
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: the two harbor patrolmen in Tacoma who reportedly possessed fragments
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: of a flying saucer that happened three days before his
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: sighting also in Washington, which kind of lends credence to
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: both of their stories, right, to see these things a
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: couple of days apart, seemingly so close together in a
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: geographic location, yet neither none of them knowing each other.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: You know, that's kind of what we call corroboration, right, Yeah,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: So Palmer asked Kenneth Arnold to go to Tacoma, investigate
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: and talk to Fred Lee Christman and Harold Dahl. So
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: on July twenty eighth, Palmer wired two hundred bucks to
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Arnold to fund this investigation. So on July twenty ninth,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Arnold interviewed Harold Dahl, who reported that on June twenty first,
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: nineteen forty seven, on the afternoon, at two o'clock, they
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: were patrolling the east Bay of Moury Island. I, as captain,
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: was steering my boat close to the shore of a
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: bay on Maury Island. On board were two crewmen and
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: my fifteen year old son and his dog. As I
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: looked up from the wheel on my boat, I noticed
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: six very large doughnut shaped aircraft. So they saw six,
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Arnold saw nine. Doll said that one of the objects
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: began spewing forth what seemed like thousands of newspapers from
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: somewhere on the inside of its center. These newspapers, which
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: turned out to be a white type of very lightweight
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: and metal, fluttered to the earth. According to Doll, a
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: substance resembling a Liva Rocks fell onto their boat, breaking
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: a working worker's arm and killing the damn dog Joe.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: So whatever the ship was that fell out of this
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: UFO killed the dog and broke a worker's arm. I
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: mean that's pretty crucial, right.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we don't like the killing of the dog's here.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: No, I think por ruby away from slagging the sky
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: and being stricken.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Down, I would shoot whatever that was out of the
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: sky or fly there to bring it down.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Why am I picturing new T shirts?
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: Folks?
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: I'm so oh, I'm sorry. Nobody would buy that T shirt.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Dall City superior officer Fred Christman also investigated the incident,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: and Dall also claimed he was later approached by a
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: man in a dark suit and told him black about
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: the event.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, the men in black.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Yes, Chrispin, when interviewed reporting having recovered debris from Moury
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Island and having witnessed an unusual craft on August first, Joe,
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: nineteen forty seven, two Air Force officers were tasked with
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: investigating the incident were killed when their plane crashed outside
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: of Kelsoe, Washington. So these are two Air Force officers
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: who were tasked with investigating the Mory Island incident. They
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: went and they talked to Fred Cristmin and Harold Dahl,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: and we're bringing back on this plane a sample that
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: they had put in a cereal box. I believe it
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: was a frosted flakes box to be more specific. They
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: were bringing back a sample of this slag or this
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: very extreme lightweight metal that the UFOs dumped all over
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: their boat. But their plane crashed. Joe and kelso Washington,
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: UH Project Blue Book Chief Edward Rupelt later would characterize
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: the story as quote the dirtiest toques in UFO history,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: and two of his two of his men died for it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: So that's a problem. Let's see. Yeah, here we go.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: So these guys, Lieutenant Frank Brown of Military Intelligence, fourth
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Air Force, Hamilton Field, California, arrived at Arnold's hotel and
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Tacoma along with Captain William Davidson. Davidson and Brown conducted
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: the interviews, collected fragments prepared for the return flight to
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: California out of McCord Airfield. In the early hours of
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: August first, their B fifty two Mitchell, the two officers
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: were piloting, crashed outside of Kelso, Washington, killing both men.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: That's when the FBI were then brought in, Joe. They
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: were brought in to do a formal investigation into Dahl
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: and Christmin's claims and quickly determined that they were false.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Nothing to see here, folks, nothing to see here, noting
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: that daw had stated quote, if questioned by the authorities,
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: he was going to say it was a hoax because
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: he did not want any further trouble over the matter
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: end quote. FBI files also detail a few alternate theories
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: communicated by Chrismin and Dahl to local newspapers and other
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: media outlets, and aluded that the two men had contacted
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: a variety of publications, including the one that paid to
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: send Kenneth Arnold to talk to them and interview them.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: This amazing stories place, and the hopes of building up
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: their story through a publicity to a point where they
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: could make a profitable deal with Fantasy Magazine of Chicago, Illinois.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: Writing in nineteen fifty six, Joe Air Force officer and
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: part of Project Blue Book Edward Rupelt concluded that the
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: whole Moury Island mystery was a hoax, the first, possibly
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: the second best, and the dirtiest hoax in the UFO history.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: He observed that the majority of the writers of Sorcer
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: lore have played this citing to the hilt, pointing out
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: that their main premise, the fact that the story must
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: be true because the government never openly exposed or prosecuted
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: either of the two hoaxers, is a logical premise, but
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: a false one. The reason for the thorough investigation of
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: the Moury Island hoax was that the government had decided
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: seriously of prosecuting the men, and at the last minute
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: it was decided that after talking to the two men,
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: that the hoax had been a harmless joke that had mushroomed,
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: and that the loss of two lives and a B
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: fifty two could not be directly blamed on the two men.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Despite the FBI promptly determining that the entire incident was
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: a hoax. The tale has been retold numerous times, including
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Gary Barker's nineteen fifty six book They Knew Too Much
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: About Flying Saucers, which helped to popularize the concept of
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: the men in black sighted in the supposed event. So
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: that is the Moury Island incident, And of course there's
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: much more detailedness to it than that, but that is
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: basically the gist of it. It It includes, like I said,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: one of the people of our focus, or Jim Garrison's focus,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: would later become to be fred Lee Christman. You know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: I'm sure he didn't pull this guy out of thin air, Joe.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: Why would you be blaming this guy, fred Lee Christman
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: out of nowhere, who at the time was basically like
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: a substitute teacher in Tacoma, Washington. Where's this guy coming from?
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Why is Garrison plucking him, plucking him out of obscurity
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: to blame him for being a part of the conspiracy
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: to assassinate the president?
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: And according to Beckham, he was a crude dude. You know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: when we talked about the Johnny Joe Martin. Fred Fred
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Christmin is in that story as well, right, and he
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: basically tells tells Beckham, you open your mouth and you
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: get me pulled back, you know, you get be wrapped
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: up in this thing with Garrison, I'll kill you thing right, Yeah,
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: and you know there of course he's not officially ever
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: acknowledged by the CIA to be part of or an
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: employee of their officially, right, but there is some unofficial
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: documentation out there about Fridlely Chrismin and his ties to
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: the agency and also the military industrial complex as well.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: So he's kind of straddling, uh you know two lines.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Here, yeah, both sides of the fence.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which you know, overtly you have people like Ed
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Lansdale doing. Covertly you can have people like Chrismin doing
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: where the lines get blurred, you know, in between, you know,
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: because of course, the CIA has no business whatsoever and
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: being involved investigating UFOs, at least in America. You know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: they're a foreign intelligence gathering service, right, what the hell
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: does that? You know? The CIA worried about UFOs? To me, Joe,
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: more likely the FBI would be the ones investigating this phenomenon,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: and in fact they were Joe very early on. In fact, Joe,
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: here's a picture.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: I have the document after the picture.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Here's the picture. Now, the man on the right holding
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: something in his hand, with the sweet fedora on and
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: the long trench coat is a person who is all
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: too familiar in the Kennedy assassination. Joe, who was that?
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: I don't is Guy Banister, whoa all the way on
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: the right.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yeah, he's one of the long coat and
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: the and the fedora right, the man in black, Yeah,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: this picture from him in Idaho investigating a crashed unidentified
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: flying object. Now, this one appears to be according to
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: the paperwork, was the guy's holding it. It's like thirty
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: inches long. Obviously not a UFO, obviously not manned, right,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: and but seemingly how it was described was. Of course,
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: the big thing behind him is part of a weather balloon, right,
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: And this is a saucer that was hanging underneath of
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: the water or the water balloon. The weather balloon there
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: was poss used for radar reconnaissance or some kind of
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: communication device I don't know, but it was basically like
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: a saucer that was hanging under this balloon. Now, when
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: we get to the Roswell crash and which we will
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: hear in a second. Of course, initially it was brought
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: out as a UFO, you know, a flying saucer crash,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: and the story quickly changed, Oh, nothing to see here, folks,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: just a weather balloon. Right. Of course, many people didn't
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: buy that because there's a big difference between a weather balloon,
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: which you know, you can kind of see in the
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: background here kind of you know, it's like a parachute basically.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: You know, there's a big difference between a weather balloon
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: and a flying saucer, you know what I mean. So
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: how one can misconstrue one for the other, I don't know. Right, So, Joe,
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: right here, I have a document from nineteen fifty to
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: the director of the FBI. Well, actually, we'll wait, we'll
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: get there.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually have the first one relating to Roswell
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: in July eighth, forty seven.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: Right, No, I thought that was something else. I did
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: have a I think it was. I thought I had
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: the Twin Falls, Idaho when where Guy Banister. It was
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: a story from a newspaper. It was, you know, in
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: the newspaper, the Twin Falls newspaper or whatever, and it
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: specifically said, you know FBI special agent Guy Banister, you know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: was here investigating this, you know ufoh blah blah blah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: And uh, but yeah, this was in nineteen forty seven,
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: Joe as well.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: The irony is not lost on me on the or so.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I also came across a document that was
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: referring to the Morey Island incident and it was it
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: was either to or from the special Agent in charge
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: Butte Montana, which at the time that person was Guy Banister, right.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Right, What was he banished there for? I forgot why
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: at the time, right.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: No, he wasn't really banished there. I mean, it was
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: a pretty it was a pretty big deal. I mean,
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: Butte Montana. That area covered everything from uh everything from
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: like Butte Montana from Montana to the west, so it
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: covered Idaho and you know on into Washington State as well,
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: maybe some of the Dakota's as well. I don't know.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: And you know, from when we talked to Janet Banister,
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: her and most of her family are from the Butte
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: Montana area. Apparently, you know, they left some kind of
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: presence there, you know, for all of them to descend
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: eventually from it, you know, it just seems, you know, odd.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: And another person who happened to be from the beat
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Montana area, Joe, who would later become implicated by Garrison
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: as well in the Kennedy Association assassination, would be William Dalzel.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Huh.
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: Agent. Yeah, so this whole thing is full of twists
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: and turns and characters and lore of course, And of course,
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: you know, they investigate this thing very quickly and determine
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: it to be a hoax. And then what happens Joe
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: a couple of weeks later, Roswell, the whole Roswell. And
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: so you have these three, you know, things that back
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: to back. Yeah, the biggest one, of course, drawn the
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: most attention, would be the Roswell incident. So, right, and again,
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: this is nineteen forty seven, folks. This is the inception
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: the same year as the CIA, Right, the same year
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: as the inception of Israel. Right, Israel becomes a country. Yeah,
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: you know, we had just World War two had just ended,
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: you know, two or three years before all.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: This Cold War was just kind of starting up, right,
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: the attention ramp up.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: We're still fifteen years away from the Kennedy assassination at
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: this point, you know, to happen. Yeah, so you know,
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Harry Truman as president at the time, and there's rumors
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: of of course, after Roswell, there was rumors of a
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: meeting between Truman and some off world entities coming to
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: some kind of an agreement for technology traded for you know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: the right to have basically free reign over America and
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: to being able to their doing and you know, and
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: in the meantime they're trading you know, all this negative
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: stuff for technology. But anyway, that brings us to Roswell.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: And I'm surprised, Joe that Roswell really has no direct tie.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, it kind of does. I think Roswell was
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: actually where the nuclear bombs came from that we dropped,
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: not nuclear but atomic bombs we dropped on Hiroshima and
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: Nakasaki came from a lot of this nuclear testing was
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: one one around there in that area as well back then. Yes,
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: so let's get into a little bit about Roswell, because
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: of course everybody knows about Roswell. But you know, it's
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: a good revisit.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah for sure, for sure. And yeah, bro, the timing
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: is crazy because it's June twenty first, nineteen forty seven,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: is the Moury Island incident. And then three days later
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: is the Kenneth Arnold incident.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: Yes, and I'm going.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: To read something. I think it's actually from the archives.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: It's a story of it. On June twenty fourth, nineteen
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: forty seven, which would be three days after the Morey
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Island Kenneth Arnold was flying over Washington State on the
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: way to an air show in Oregon. He had taken
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: a brief detour to search for the wreckage of a
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Crest Marine Corps C forty six transport plane. Who is
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: this now, Kenneth Arnold? Okay, this is just his story.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Suddenly Kenneth Arnold saw a series of lights flashing rapid
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: succession before observing several airborne objects in formation starting at
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: incredible speed. Unsure of what he saw, Arnold performed a
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: rough estimation of the project speed and he estimated that
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: at seventeen hundred miles per hour. And he is he's
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: a pilot.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And the theory here, Joe, is that if you
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: do a progression of these sightings, Okay, there's multiple UFOs, right,
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: And what the theory is that what actually happened in
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: Roswell was that one or more of these craft crashed
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: and it was damaged somehow from whatever it was Leacoln
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: you know, up there in Washington, and then it made
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: it to New Mexico and just crashed. And then there's
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: even other sightings going into Mexico and South America a
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: little past what happened in Roswell, right, which kind of
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: lends credence to that theory that these this is all
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: the same group of shit that all these people saw.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no for sure. And it's very weird that
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: the Arnold incident happens three days after the Maria Island
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: incident and then you know, two weeks later you have Oswald.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that are going on, and
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of misinformation going on as well, because
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of this have to do with
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: military technologies and things like that. But me bring.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: Up my aside. I love this shit. I'm a huge
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: fan of The X Files, the TV show. It's probably
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: my favorite TV show ever. So wow, if I'm geeking
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: out a little bit about this, this is why I
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: love this shit. You know, whether it's true or not,
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: it's my jam, It's right in my alley. I love it.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Hey man, I do not blame you whatsoever. I will
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: this stuff too. And so this Rob is a newspaper
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: article from July sixth, nineteen forty seven. More flying saucers
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: seen as men of science, ponder serious angles, disc stops
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: and reverses self in flight and disappears. And this is
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Rob right after you Oswell incident. But you know we're
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: going back in time a little bit. I'm not going
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: to go through this article, but.
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: Let's see.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: So Kenneth Arnold right, gave a report to the Army
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: Air Forces Intelligence Unit on July twelfth, nineteen forty seven.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Because of course this was all kind of blowing up
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: in the news. I received lots of requests from people
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: who told me to make a lot of wild guesses.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: I have based what I have written here in this
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: article on positive facts, and as far as guessing what
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: it is, I observed it is just as much a
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: mystery to me as it is to the rest of
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: the world. My pilotine's license is SSS for eighty seven.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: I fly Callier airplane, three piece, single engine and ship
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah. And he actually draws the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: UFO here and and this is on July twelfth.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: So and also after economist says, don't forget the Robert
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: Vincent claim to have been to a deep plane with
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: an Oswald looked like on the evening of the assassination,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: and none other than Roswell New Mexico and real quick. Also,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: Jack brings up a good point not to be confused
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: with Gordon Arnold who was on the knowle supposedly not
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Kenneth Arnold. Right, but there is kind of another connection
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: to the Grassy know which I'll get into a little later.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, no, that's a good point. So you have
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: all this let me bring it back up. You have
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: all this drama going on in the newspaper on July sixth,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: So what do you think happened? Robs Robs Rob a
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: flurry of document and exchanges and correspondence, and this is
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: the FBI memo two days later, July eighth, nineteen forty seven,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: from the Dallas office, ironically to j Edgar Hoover, flying
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: disc information concerning that's that's a fascinating third and fourth
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: words there. Headquarters. I'm sorry, I just said, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: Headquarters eighth Air Force telephonically advised this office that an
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: object purporting to be a flying disc was to be covered.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: You're oswell, New Mexico this date, this disc is hexagonical,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: hexagonal in shape. Sounds like a ecologist.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: Uh hey, Joe, what do you call it? Deaf gynecologist?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: Bro? You're you The matrix is like fucking me up
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: a lip reader.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very good.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: I just saw that and I told my girlfriend this
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 8: joke today.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not joking, man, I'm literally not joking. How would
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: I get that answer? I'm definitely not smart enough to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: The yeah, it might be the UFO is giving us only.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: I was Asian Scully's gynecologists.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: Last What were your You didn't think I would ever
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: get that?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah? That is pretty crazy, dude, Bro.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: I literally told it to my girlfriend this morning.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: That's insane, insane. As soon as you said that, it
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: just popped into my head.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Because I mispronounced it. Oh, man, that is crazy. I'll
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: have to look at the chat after I take this
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: down from my screen. And was suspended from a balloon
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: by cable. Document says which balloon was approximately twenty feet
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: in diameter. Something redacted further revised the person that the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: person is redacted that the object found resembles a high
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: altitude weather balloon with a radar reflector. But that telefonic
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: conversation between their office and right Field, right in their
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: first base had not redacted did born out of this
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: belief doesn't make sense. Disc and balloon being transported to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: right Field by special plane for examination provided this office
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: because the seven national interest in case and in fact
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: that National Broadcasting Company OH, in fact, that NBC associated press,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: AP and others attempting to break the story of location
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: of disc today redacted advised would request right Field to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: advise Cincinnati office results of the examination. No further investigation
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: being conducted. So this, to my knowledge, is the first
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: FBI document that references Oswalt or Oswald Russwell. And they
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: pretty much say nothing to see here, guys, nothing to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: see here. But as we know, I read this, and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: I read this.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: Ironically, Joe, like what we saw guy Banister investigating was
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: thirty inches right, And I believe the disc at Roswell
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: was estimated to be between twenty and thirty feet wide,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: which is a big difference than a little thirty a
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: thirty inch disc, you know what I mean? Yeah, big difference.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But I just think it's important Rob to point
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: out the time frame right, June twenty first, Maury Island,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: June twenty fourth.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: You have the.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: Kenneth Arnold incident that I just read about, and then
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: the Roswell incident happened July second to the fourth. I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: guess there's not a agreed upon date exactly when it happened.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: But and do you want to know what they blamed
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: it on? Of course we know or a lot of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: people know weather balloon, right, and I found I asked Rock,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: they blamed it on Project Mogul. Do you know about
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: Project Mogul? I did not. Project Mogul is a classified
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: US military program conducted from nineteen forty seven to nineteen
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: forty nine designed to develop high altitude balloons for longer
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: ranges detection for Soviet of Soviet nuclear tests during the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: early Cold War. It is directly linked to the nineteen
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: forty seven Roswell incident, as a debris recovered neural roswell
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: New Mexico was identified as originating from a Mogul balloon flight.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: So they're not just saying that's a weather balloon, uh, Rock,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: and you know anything you can google. They're saying, oh,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: it actually came from this specific project, and they actually
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: have this specific balloon. I'm not saying it's right or wrong.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: But it sounds like a cover up, akin to the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: whole Chinese weather balloon fiasco years ago.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like like I said in the beginning, man,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: there's so much misinformation dealing with the subject. It's it's
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: so hard.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: To uh think it's first it happened to like whatever
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: it is crashed in a you know, like a farmer's field. Yeah,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: of course you have the farmer you have, but I
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: I god, damn, you have booed un crashed in my fielder.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: There's ship everywhere, cows did there's these weird little people inside,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: which we'll get to in a minute as well. Yeah, all
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, it's just a weather balloon. But not
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: just any weather balloon. It's one of ours. It's from
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: a highly classified, a secret project we could not disclose
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: back then. That's why I had to keep everything a secret, folks.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I see, Yeah, it's just crazy. You have
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: Maury Island, right, you have the Kenneth Arnold incident. Right,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: you have on July sixth, nineteen forty seven, this article
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: and then of course, not surprisingly, the same day you
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: have the FBI internal memos flowing right debunking in and
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: it might be right. I don't know this.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: This brings up a weird story too that I remember hearing,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: sure from World War Two, actually from the Japanese would
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: send over these balloons whatever you want to call them, attack,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: you know, with equipped with like explosives and stuff, and
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: they were they were attacking the United States using balloons.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: We'll get their turn.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, they they used Did they use the like
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 9: the it's not called the Gulf Stream, but that wind
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: funnel that like goes across the.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: Orice killed American people? Yeah? Yeah, And it's a story
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: that not a lot of people know about.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Oh I do remember that, thank you. Yeah, well, we'll
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: get into that. I'm sure Rob has something on that.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: But so, okay, you have all these incidents Maury Island,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: Kenneth Arnold, and then Roswell. Actually, let me get the
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: Roswald really quickly. I'll just give a brief summary of that.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: But it was in nineteen forty seven with the recovery
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: of debris near Roswell, New Mexico. And sorry, there's some
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: misinformation on this. I'm trying to script.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: Did you find what I asked you to find about
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: the document that the guy was holding in his hand
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: in the picture? No, no, really, the one thing I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: asked you to find.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: I just had a concussion. M But I can once
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: I recap this.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: Heah, you do your thing and I'll look because it
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: is important.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, I'm sorry. So by nineteen forty seven,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: they say that the United States has launched thousands of
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: top secret Project Mogul balloons carrying devices to listen for
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: Soviet atomic tests atomic tests, And on June fourth, researchers
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: at Ala Megardo Army Airfield and New Mexico launched a
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: long train of these balloons, they say, and they lost
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: contact with the balloons and one of them crashed at
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: mac Brasl's ranch near Corona, New Mexico.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: Goddamn Macbrasil, Yes with you.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah. With no phone or radio. Brasil was initially unaware
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: of the ongoing flying disc craze, and amid the first
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: summer of the Cold War, press covered press nationwide covered
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: Kenneth Arnold's account of what became known as flying saucerge.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: Coverage of Arnold's report proceeded a wave of over eight
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: hundred similar sightings. When Brasil visited Corona on July fifth,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: him and his cousin suggested his debris could be for
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: from a flying disc. The next day, Broswel drove to Roswell,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: New Mexico, and formed Sheriff George Wilcox and de pre
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: he had found. Wilcox called the r A F the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Roswell Army Airfield, which is home to the five oh
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: ninth Bomb Group of the eighth Air Force, the only
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: unit at the time capable of delivering nuclear weapons. What's
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: your point, Rob, A lot of this stuff was happening
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: in that area, right, the New Mexico kind of Nevada area.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: The base assigned Major Jesse Carnal and blah blah blah
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: blah blah, and.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: Let's see.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: And then of course the sorry I'm jumping here, but uh,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: the Air Force and everyone else redacted. The claimed that
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: it was a flying saucer and said it was an
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: air balloon, and later, I think in the nineties they
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: attributed to Project Mobil. But you know, they did do
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: a crash retrieval program and possible cover up. So the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: nineteen forty seven degree. Debris retrieval remained obscure for three decades.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: Reporting season and public interest died down, but nevertheless, belief
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: in the UFO cover ups by the US government became
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: widespread in this period.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: So all right, Joe, I have the memo, okay, or
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: the telegram. Actually this is the picture. So there's a
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: guy who's famously he's holding a telegram in his hand, okay,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: And it has been of much interest as to what
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: this telegram actually says, and according to what has been
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: plucked out of this you know, people have blown this up,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: you know, rotated it, blown it up, and tried to
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: decipher what it actually says to the best of their ability.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: It says Fort Worth Incident Report on redacted disc Sightings,
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  Speaker 5: Initial Assessment Weather Balloons WB in parentheses, explanation insufficient witness
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: reports mentioned disc shaped object and possible victims. Recommendation revised
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: cover story. Next step, send out pr press release of
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: weather balloons would work better if photo is used in
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: land debris recovery teams are deployed, so that right there,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: if that's an accurate description you know, of what this
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: telegram that is in this dude's hand, Right yeah, I
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: believe it. There's a General Raimie now allegedly that's the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: guy holding a telegram, right, General Rami, okay, and hang on,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: I'm grabbing a picture of all this. And then there's
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: another dude right named Major Marcel, whose son would later
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: become a big proponent and author of a book about
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: the Roswell incident, claiming his father had told him the
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: truth about Roswell or what happened there. And we actually
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: have a picture, you know, of this dude allegedly holding
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: a debris of this. So let me pull up these
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: two pictures and that way everybody can kind of see
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: what we're talking about here. So this is General Raimi,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: He's the guy with the telegram in his hand. Of course,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: this is just one photo of him. There's other photos
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: where you can see the telegram better, but I wanted
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: to show you this one just that everybody can see.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: About the crash debris. I mean, this looks like fucking
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: you know, a kite, a crashed aluminum foil kite.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: Right, yes, that looks like a weather balloon.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: I don't even look like a weather balloon even less.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know what that looks like, you know, not
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: a UFO. And then you got Major Marcel. This is
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: Major Jesse Marcel, whose son would go on to write
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: a book about Roswald claim that his father had told him, Yeah,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: the truth about what happened there. And he's allegedly holding
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: another piece of luminofoil or whatever this is. And then
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: I said, that's kind of a close up of the
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: memo that people have tried to decipher over the years
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: and concluded, you know that it said, you know, some
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: pretty damning things. So I just wanted to interject out
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: in there, Joseph real quick, so people have a little context.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's kind of like the close up of
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: that picture you showed.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, got it.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: So you know, keeping in mind the time frame, right,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: you have June twenty first, More Island, then you have
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: Kenneth Arnold, then you have Roswell. And guess what the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: US government does. After they or the Air Force, they
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: create something called Project Sign. And although they it started
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: in nineteen forty eight, although it was probably commissioned in
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: forty seven, you know, things take a little time to
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: get organized. Yeah, Project Sign ran from nineteen forty seven
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: to nineteen forty nine. And though Project Sign did not
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: rule out the possibility of extraterrestrials. It found UFO sightings
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: stemmed from quote one or more of three causes, mass hysteria, hopes,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: or misinterpretation of no objects. Then Project sign ended and
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: Project Grunge followed.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: Yes, It continued Scrunge area here.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: I know you're gonna have a good joke on that.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: It continued the investigation, but also featured a concerted public
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: relations campaign to alleviate public anxiety over UFOs, reassuring the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: public that they were balloons, regular aircraft, optical illusions, or
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: weather phenomena. It sounds a lot like propaganda to me.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: Project Grunge reassuring the public that they are not UFOs.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: Project Grunge also found no evidence of advanced form. It
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: concluded that UFOs did not threaten national security. The Air
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: Force terminated Project Crunge in December of nineteen forty nine,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: fearing that evidence of the military's interest in UFOs helped
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: to fuel public interest in the phenomena and contribute contributed
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: to war fever, which is kind of we're going to
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: see like that's their go to line.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: Look, Joe, I can understand if this ship was really
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: going on, if we really got the UFO. We really
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: dead aliens. You could see why the government will want
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: to cover this up, right. You could see them kind
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: of convincing themselves that it creates some kind of mass hysteria, right,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: you know, not only that, but creating crisis in religion,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: you know, theations that we're not alone in the universe.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry, Uh, especially back then, rob religion was
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: much more prevalent in people.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: So I get it, you know what I mean. And
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: to turn horses point, I want to bring up the
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: the Annie Jacob's book right where she says that what
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: according to her sources whatever whatever crashed in Roswell possibly
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: whatever scene in Tacoma, in Washington and and then later
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: Mexico and South America, we're actually Nazi u f os
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: mm hmm right, actual flying saucers with actual people on them. Now,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: I said, I can't remember I citizen in the UH
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: in the UH and the Members show, or if it
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: was on the the UH Gordon Ovell's show, But her
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: theory was okay, that they were using like some Mingola creations,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: you know, or people with progeria. Now you can imagine
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: like someone with progeria speaking German at the time to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: some you know, local yokels in New Mexico would have
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: been you know, would have sounded alien and would have
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: looked alien to them. Right, and for people, and I'm
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: not trying to make fun here, I just for people
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: that don't know what people with burgeria look like. Okay,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: it's this, it's this, it's this.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, little people that are deformed unfortunately, right, it's the
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: nice way.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: It's a very rare disease that it causes an you know,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: advanced aging very quickly. But that's not to say that
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: these people are stupid, you know, I'm sure some of
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: them are very intelligent. And you know, if the craft
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: is of a smaller size, you know, Joe, I don't
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: know how much space like actual living or moving around
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: space would be inside of a thirty twenty or thirty
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: foot disc shaped craft.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Not much.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: Obviously, the largest part of it would be in the
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: middle because it tapers down thin on the edges, which
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: makes it aerodynamic. So you're talking about space inside one
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: of these things. Of course, it would benefit them to
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: have it occupied by smaller people, whether it be you know, midgets,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: maybe midgets were you know, to chubby or I don't know,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Annie Jacobsen said something like, ah, they
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: were deformed, but like maybe Russia was like doing experiments
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: to like make these people small to fit in these things.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: I think that's what she said.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: But people are already small, like they're just miniature versions.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: You know, they're not like weird. I'm not weird, but
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: they're not like they don't have limb disproportion like some
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: like dwarfs, do you know, Like and you know, if
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: I saw something like this get off the goddamn UFO,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: I'd be like, what the fuck is this? You know
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: what I mean? Like that is I don't know what
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: this is, but certainly looks alien, certainly, does you know?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: I mean imagine that back in the day speaking German,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: you know, in some weird you know, little silver suit
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: all busted up from a UFO crash and you know
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: what are you gonna think?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. And I think that's a
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: good time to talk about like the United States was
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: very concerned about because you talked about Operation paper Clip
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: and you alluded to that earlier and how we brought
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: over over a thousand scientists and other people of that
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: type of professions over here when the bad Germans fell,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: and Russia was also doing that, you know, although most
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: of them didn't want to go over to the Soviet side,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: but they had a lot of technology they were using.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: And it's and then like a year or two after that,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: that's when all in nineteen forty seven in the summer,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: that's when the Morey Island and Roswell and the incidents
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: start to happen. So, I mean, who knows what's.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: Going Also, the word Martian is one letter off from Martin.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: Whoa they know that.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: That is true.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: That is true.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: So after let me get back to this, so after
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: Operations sign and Operation Grunge, you get of course, I'm
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: sure our name most of us are familiar with Operation
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: Blue Balls. It's should have been named that, really, and
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: you know they classified. Let me see, there were twelve
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: thousand so. Project Bluebook was a US Air Force program
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: running from nineteen forty seven to nineteen sixty nine, tasked
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: with investigating on UFOs to determine if they posed a
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: threat to national security, whether they were of extraterrestrial origin,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: or could provide technological insights. It was the third of
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: such study, following Sign A Grunge, and was based at
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. The program collected
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: and analyzed reports of UFO sightings from military personnel, civilians,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: and other sources. Twelve thousand, six hundred and eighteen cases.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: That's a lot, It is a lot. I'm not sure
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: what year span you're talking here, Joe, from.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: Forty seven to sixty nine. I think this count of
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: twelve six hundred included a grunge and project sign. But
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: the thing that struck me, Rob is the length of
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: the operation nineteen forty seven to nineteen sixty nine, and
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: you maybe cut off a couple of years or signing grunge,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: but they're kind of including that. That's a long time
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: for an operation to last. That's twenty two years. Over
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: twenty years. You don't get funding and continue in operation
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: like this if it has no use, if it's just
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: kooky and crazy and.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: All the right. Look, a lot of pilots never say
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: shit about this because they don't want to come off
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: as fucking crazy, right, right, because they're going to lose
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: your job.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: One D.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: The fact that you have mostly look, I mean, look
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: at the witness list. Pilot pilot pilot, private pilot, pilot, yeah,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: you can't be like some in twenty years actually coming
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: forward and saying, hey, look man, this thing was trying
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 5: to dog fight my National Guard plane, doing intricate maneuvers
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: head on passes, and then finally shot straight up out
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: of sight. You know, if you tell that to your superior,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: they're going to say, look, boy, what do you take
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: me up here?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they'd be in a mental.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: Institution rounded for a little while.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: At the best. I think, at the worst they'd be
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: in a mental institution like a week later.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: But but yeah, I forgot I had this up here.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: But this is an example of some.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: Of the.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: Reports of Project Blue Book. And and like you said,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: rob pilot, pilot, pilot, private pilot, passengers, pilots, balloon tracking
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: crew whatever that means a crazy And then there's the
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: next one, the geometrical formation cases. And you have you know,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: people in the location North Pacific, Iowa, Washington, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Alaska,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: and you also have crew, USS supply, railroad engineer, pilot, police, pilot, scientist, minister. Yeah,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: it's not crazy skafooza on the street, that's homeless amateur astronomers.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: It's not concussion. Joe in Connecticut.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. Uh, you know you have flying V
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: formations which I have a picture of. So this is
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: actually the Nation Archive site United States Coast Guard for
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: photographer Shell Alpert took a photograph through a window screen
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: that allegedly showed unidentified flying objects flying in a quote
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: the formation at the Salem, Massachusetts Air Station at nine
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: thirty five am in July of nineteen fifty two.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what's happened in July of nineteen fifty two? What
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: you don't know?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: I do? Oh, I'm asking so you can explain to
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: the ens.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: Do you have a picture of it?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: The DC thing? Yeah, I do. I have to bring
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: them up. It's not my part, but.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: I have a series of photographs similar to this where
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: your formation of UFOs were literally, well not allegedly, they
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: were seen by way too many witnesses to deny over
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: the US Capital of d C. Yeah, and they didn't
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: do a damn thing about it.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: Big, big event, Because if you're.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: Over the US Capitol, you might as well sitting there
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: top of the White House, then Pentagon and all, you know,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: the Washington Memorial, Jefferson Memorial. You might as well be
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: sitting there with type of all that shit and they
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: didn't do nothing. There was nothing they could do. Then
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: I forget what year it was, Joe. There was something
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: they called the Battle of Los Angeles where we were
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: allegedly firing at UFO's off the coast of California.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: I believe it was in the fifties. But don't pull
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: me on.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: I'll pull that up real quick.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, But Rob, just take a look at these this
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: photo because this is a photo taken by a Coast
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: Guard photographer, right, not some random skafuza. Right.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: Listen to nineteen forty two. Oh wow, so even earlier
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: than Roswell yeah, and listen to this. While the military
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: initially claimed an attack by an unseen aircraft, later investigations
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: attributed the event to a combination factors, including a weather
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: balloon and wartime jitters.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: Wartime jitters, yes, nineteen forty two, but they weren't in
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: the war. But jitters, yes. Ah, that's crazy. So let
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: me bring this back up here. So, Rob, does this
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: look to you like they could be U two aircraft spyplanes? No? Okay,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: it doesn't to me either, But I think this.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: Is all U two. Don't fly that low information.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: Definitely don't fly that low, and I don't think you
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: need more than one. Yeah, information, right, but I think
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: this is the Office of Special Investigations of the Air Force.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: I forgot to clip the exact source, but I'm pretty
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: sure it's that. They say. The high altitude testing of
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: the U two soon led to an unexpected side effect,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: a tremendous increase in reports of unidentified flying objects. In
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: the mid nineteen fifties, most commercial airliners flew at altitudes
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: between ten and twenty thousand feet, and military aircraft like
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: to be forty seven ROW operated at altitudes forty thousand feet. Consequently,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: once U two started flying at out who's above sixty
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: thousand feet, air traffic controllers began receiving increasing numbers of
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: UFO reports. I'm not sure other than like test flights,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: why the U two's would be flying over America at
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: that time.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: But you know, and what the hell else is flying
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: at sixty thousand feet? Answer?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So they're trying to like say all the a
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: lot of sightings are are false because of the U two,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: which is.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: Interesting in you two flying at sixty thousand feet from
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: the ground.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It's really interesting and I don't
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: know why aside from test flights that they'd be flying
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: over the United States. Their their spy surveillance planes, right,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: and they definitely wouldn't be in formation.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: And shocker, they looked like planes. They don't look like
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: disc shaped craft or triangle shaped craft.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, not like this picture I'm gonna go back to,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: and not at the height that you twos fly, But
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: that's what they tried to to kind of shove it
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: off on is the U two. Such reports were most
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: prevalent in the early evening hours. Here we go again
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: with from pilots or of airliners flying from east to west.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: When the sun dropped below the horizon of an airliner
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: flying at twenty thousand feet, the plane was in darkness.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: But if a U two was airborne in the vicinity
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: of the airliner at the same time, its horizon from
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: an altitude of sixty thousand feet was considerably more distant,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: and being so high in the sky, it's sover wings
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: would catch and reflect the rays of the sun and
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: appear to the airliner pilot forty thousand feet below to
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: be fiery objects. They're trying hard here, even during daylight hours.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: This the silver bodies of the high utwos could catch
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: the sun and cause reflections or glints that could be
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: seen at lower.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: Altitudes and even on the ground.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: At this time, no one believed man flight was possible
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: above sixty thousand feet, so no one expected to see
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: an object so high in the sky. Not only did
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: the airline pilots report their sightings to air traffic controllers,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: but they in ground based observers also letters to the
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: Air Force unit at right Air First Base with investigating
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: such phenomena. In turn led to the Air Force Operation
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: Blue Book, which I don't know when the first YouTube
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: flight was, but I'm pretty sure Project Sign was before
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: the U two, so I'm not sure if that scene
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: is correct. The Blue Book investigators regularly called on the
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: Central Intelligence Agency Project staff at Washington to check reported
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: UFO sightings against YouTube flight logs. This enabled the investigators
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: to eliminate a majority of the utiful reports and Rob
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: I agree most of the UFO reports at those twelve
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: thousand most of them are probably misidentified, but not all
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: twelve thousand. Bro. This operation lasted for twenty two years.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: They could have closed it in two years. They were like,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: this is bullshit. We're moving on. Yeah, right, it lasted
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: for twenty two years, and I'm sure the next operation
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: that followed that was named a different name, right, Yeah,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: I mean they love to do that. I'm not one
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: hundred I don't know how Air Force operations work as
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: well as CI but it wouldn't surprise me if if
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: they changed the name of it and just just like
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: they said, they closed the operation because they were concerned
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: that it brought public attention to UFOs. So if you
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: were concerned about that, you just changed the name and
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: continue the operation.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, we know these things were being
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: reported on and all, you know, just like the recent
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: you know, disclosure if you would that happened in Congress.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: You know, when you're seeing these tic TAC videos and
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: they were captured by Navy pilots and other military personnel.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: You know, it's kind of hard to debunk things like that,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: you know, how do you explain that?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's hard to debunk that that maybe
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: pilot or Air Force pilot, whatever he was.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't think I don't think the question
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: of sightings is the issue. I think it's what exactly
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: are we seeing here? Is this alien technology? Is this
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: our technology? Is this our technology from the future? Is
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: this interdimensional shit going on here? You know?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, so Rob, I just pulled up the chart
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: of Project Blue Book total UFO sightings from nineteen forty
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: seven and they are including signed and grudgeoneer to nineteen
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: sixty nine. Okay, and you look at the total sightings
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: and there's two years nineteen fifty two, which seems to
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: be a huge outlier here, like ten times the normal.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: Average ship down in DC. Yeah.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But to be fair, when you have these things
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: in the paper, you're going to get more sightings because
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: people are looking up and they're scared. Right, So it's
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: kind of like a snowball effect in a sense. Right,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: if it's in the newspapers, people are looking up, you're
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: going to get more fake sightings.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: Or you're gonna get a lot more legit sightings because
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: people are actually looking at the sky instead of down
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: at their feet as they shuffle along the street. That
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: is true too, because might be intrigued because you know,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: how often is Joe that you go outside that you
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: really stare up at the sky looking for shit?
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: Well, me frequently, I'm always looking at the sky, but
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: I'm weird. I'm not the proper test subject for that,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: but I'm always looking for you a foes brand, and
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen one yet, and I look for them,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: I do. I know that makes me weird, but I do.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: Uh that.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, really wants to believe, folks, I do.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: My mind is broken, man, I want them in.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: My bedroom as a matter of.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: Fact, all right, let me stoph it really. Yeah, huh.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: The same post that hung hangs behind Molder in the
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: X files in his basement office.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: That's pretty dope. Yeah, yeah, have you ever seen one?
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: Have you looked? Do you look up at the sky
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: every dime?
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: I do stare at the sky, know, not when.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: You burn all your documents in your burn barrel.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 5: You know. I think I'm more prone to seeing things
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: at night while I'm driving in the sky than any
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: other time. Really, And I can say I've seen some
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: weird things, but nothing that jumps out and said that
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: was a UFO, right, But you know, things traveling a
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: little faster than they should, or going different directions than
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: they should. You know, normally planes flying a pretty straight line.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: So when you see something in the sky that's you know,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: doing this.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 7: And it's kind of weird, right, Yeah, but again I
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 7: don't know what I'm seeing.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: You know, who the hell knows? Because again this hearkens
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: back to Gordon Novelle and his anti gravitic technology. You
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: have bible z are talking about this shit reverse engineering
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: UFOs at area fifty one, and he's never back away
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: from your story ever. And we do have a pretty
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: suspicious place area fifty one. Who many people have went
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: out and watched the skies at night and have seen
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: weird shit?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: What is it? S four? Is that the thing that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: he named?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Apparently they've moved locations, you know, from
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: the testing ground somewhere else in Nevada. Who knows.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you know, yeah, yeah, but I do look
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: to bring it back. I do look in the sky
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: for UFOs, and I have not seen one yet, and
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of disappointed. But you seem to have three
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: years here, Rob, I mean, obviously the average is going
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: up tremendously. It's like one hundred and twenty two, one
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: fifty six, nineteen forty seven, forty eight, one hundreds, two hundreds,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: fifteen hundred and fifty two. Then you get five hundreds
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: up to one thousand and fifty seven, six hundreds. But
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: to bring it back to Kennedy three nine, which is
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: pretty low and the year before four to seventy four,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: row it. It doesn't it's not a chart that indicates
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: that there was increased UFO UAP activity that would.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: Well, all all of this, you know, alleged real life
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: stuff right in the late forties spurned a big movement
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: in Hollywood in the fifties concerning UFO movies, alien movies,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: you know, like playing the life matter space and.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: And that's going to increase the the port in.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: Sightings, yeah, you know, and you know it's going to
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: be in people's heads a lot more. Yes, you know.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: And in the sixties, you know, you've got Star Trek
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: going on, you know, and we go to the Moon
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: like in sixty nine. But from the chart you just
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: have up, it's one of the lowest numbers ever in
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: twenty two years. That's the year we went to the moon,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: you know, the eyes on the sky in that year,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: and as one of the lowest ever.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: Like that's that's a really good point. I'm going to
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: bring a black up. Yeah, nineteen sixty nine is one
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: forty six, which is the lowest since the first year. Yeah,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: and so the unidentified column on the right rob is
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: incidents they could not identify or you know, create an
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: excuse way. Yeah, three oh three in nineteen fifty two.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: That is a crazy outlight outlier if you look at this.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: Well, also in sixty nine there was only one incident
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: that they could not right off right, you know, like
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: it seems like they got a lot better writing things
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: off except in nineteen sixty six.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right, so crazy. I have some more
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: stuff after this from you know, That'skufuza, this.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: Guy, yeah, Stephen Greer. Yeah, so we'll get there.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just I have a something on that because
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: he talks about how not only JFK was assassinated because
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: of the UFO issue, but RFK as well. Nice, and
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: I have some correspondence with RFK one hundred and twenty
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: eight pages of his correspondence with people regarding UFOs.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: Well, before we get there, yeah, we'll go.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: We're going crowd of like, yeah, yeah, I'm teasing people.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: I want to bring up another possible hoax document. Sure,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: this one allegedly from nineteen eighty eight. It's called the
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: It's referred to as the Burn memo for obvious reasons.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: You see parts of it are burnt. It was allegedly,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: I guess, saved from a burn pile.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: Mine from your backyard.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: My mine in the backyard. Although some people may do
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: this to me, I don't know. They might pull my
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: shit out and a thirty years from now they might,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: you know, say it was a real document. But this
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: document is marked, of course top secret MJ twelve across
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: the top, and it's a Central Intelligence Agency document.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: Rob do you want to explain to the people before
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: you read that what the Majestic twelve is, because, to
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: be completely honest, I wasn't. I'm Williams what it was.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: Okay, calm down, all right. It's from the Director of
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: Central Intelligence. I'm sitting the table here.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: Joe got it laying the foundation.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: Concerning m J three, m J one, m J four,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: m J five, m J six, and m J seven,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: referring to Project Majestic, and then it's of course burned
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: through the Middle project even Project Parasite and Project Dandelion,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: whatever those are. It says, in the context of the above,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: it has become necessary to review and evaluate duplication of
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: field activities in light of the current situation. To eliminate
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: this problem, I have drafted new directives for your review
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: and consideration. Please evaluate each draft on its own merit,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: with the goal of finding acceptable solutions in which we
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: can all agree on. As you must know, Lancer has
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: made some inquiries regarding our activities which we cannot allow.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: Please submit your views no later than October. Your action
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: to this matter is critical to the continue of this group.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: It's and then at the bottom of it has tabs
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: labeled President's Eyes Only. Tab B is need to Know.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: Tab C is d O D thirty two hundred or
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: DOT one. Tab D is Project Blue Book Joe. Tab
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: E is freedom of Information. Tab F is f G
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: y O F or P. I don't know what that means. Uh.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: Tab six is n W or HW and Tab eight
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: is Project in and and Environment, So I don't know.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: It's again it's burned. And again this document is not dated.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: But the only clue we have in here as to
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: the date of this would be the reference to Lancer,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: which we know was the secret Service code name for JFK.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: But yeah, this is a alleged Central Intelligence Agency document, okay,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: which makes me think somebody's trying to be smarter, but
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: didn't quite get it right, you know what I mean?
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear you.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: That's a little iffy to me now, part of I
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: mean this is just one of the burned memos. There
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: are other documents pretending to Majestic twelve or MJ twelve
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: as it's referred to, and how these documents came into being.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: Apparently in nineteen eighty eight, the FBI was approached at
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: or actually it received at multiple locations, not just one,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: a pack of I believe altogether. The Majestic Documents are
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: like thirty three pages, and in it is detailed basically
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: what the secret CIA task Force was doing concerning UFO
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: phenomenon and alleged to be one of the twelve Majestic
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: officers in this thing. As I look through the names,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: actually two the only really two of them jumped out
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: of me Joe and one was James Webb.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: I was gonna, I was gonna ask because I looked
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: at that list and no names jumped out of me.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, one was James Webb, who we mentioned earlier as
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: being part of NASA, and the other one has another
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 5: alleged tie or mysterious circumstance surrounding the JFK or surrounding JFK,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: not really the assassination because it happened many years before,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: but one of j JFK's good friends who was the
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 5: form what do you want? I don't if his Department
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: of Defense or Department of the Navy, I don't know.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: It will be James Forrestall, right, oh okay, which you
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: know he had one of these mysterious deaths at Bethes
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: the naval hospital, right, which we'll get to in a second.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: But that popped out to me because he's one of
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: the JFK's buddies.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: Right, Oh, I missed that one.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So, according to this, in nineteen forty nine, angered
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: over Forestall's continued opposition to his defense and economicization policies
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: say that five thousand times, and concerned about reports in
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: the press over his mental condition, President Truman abruptly asked
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: Forestall to resign from his position. By March thirty first,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: nineteen forty nine, Forestall was out of a job. He
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: was replaced by Louis A. Johnson and ardent supporter of
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: Truman's defense retrenchment policy.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: Trump Truman.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: So after he was forced to resign in nineteen forty nine.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 5: Allegedly exhausted from overwork, forrest All entered a psychiatric treatment
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 5: at path As, the Naval Hospital, placed there by his
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 5: psychiatrist and Captain George Rains, handpicked by Navy sergeant general,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: and his regiment went as follows. Joe, this is his treatment. Okay,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 5: first week he's there, narcosis with sodium amatol. Basically, he's
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: drugged out of his gourd on a daily basis. Sodium amatoll.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 6: That is.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 5: But it sounds good to me.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: It's a designer drug of the fifties.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: Now the second through fifth weeks program doesn't sound very good.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 5: It's a regiment of insulin subshock combined with psychotherapeutic interviews.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 5: According to Rain, the patient overreacted to the insulin much
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: as he had to the amatoll, and this would occasionally
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 5: throw him into a confused state with a great deal
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 5: of agitation and confusion. The fourth week, insulin administered only
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 5: in stimulating doses, being given ten units of insulin four
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: times a day, morning, noon, afternoon, and.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: Evening four times a day.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: And if you're not diabetic, I don't fuck you up.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: According to reins they considered electro shock, but thought better
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: to postpone it for another ninety days, and reactive depression
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: of electroshock is used early and the patient has returned
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: to the same situation from which he came. There's a
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: grave danger of suicide in the immediate period after they returned,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: so strangely enough, we left out electro shock to avoid
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 5: what actually happened. Anyway, Forrestall told associates that he decided
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: to resign. He was reportedly shattered when Truman abruptly asked
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: for his resignation, and from there his condition steadily deteriorated.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 5: On the day of his actual resigation from allfose, he
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: was reported to have gone into a few state days
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: and was flown on a Navy airplane to the estate
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 5: of Undersecretary Robert Lovett and Hobie Sound, Florida, where Forstall's wife,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: Josephine was waiting. William Manager of the Manager Clinic in Kansas,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: was consulted, otherwise known as the CIA shrink Joe, and
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: he diagnosed him with severe depression of the type scene
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: and operational fatigue. During the war, the Manager Clinic had
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 5: successfully treated similar cases, but Forrestall's wife, his friend and
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: associate Ferdinand everstat manager and Navy psychiatrist Captain George Raynes
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 5: decided to send him to the National Naval Medical Center
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 5: in Bethesda. He checked in there five days later. The
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: decision to house him on the sixteenth floor instead of
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 5: the first floor was justified in the same way. Forestall's
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 5: condition was officially announced as quote nervous and physical exhaustion.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: It's head doctor Raynes, diagnosed his condition as depression or
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: reactive depression. As a person who prized animity, anonymity, Jesus.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: Christ, that's a hard word, man.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: I can't to one liberty lobbity level. Oh good, and
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: once stated that his hobby was obscurity. Forestall, with his policies,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: had been the constant target of vicious personal attacks from colonists,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 5: including Drew Pearson and Walter Winchell. Pearson's protege, Jack Anderson.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 5: Pearson hectored Forestall with innuendos and false accusations. And as
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 5: you know, Jack Anderson, there's a much famed calumnist that
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 5: was breaking all kinds of top secret CI shipped in
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 5: his early seventies and connecting things to the Kennedy assassination. Eventually,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: Forestall seemed to be on the road to recovery. Joe,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: having regained twelve pounds since his admission to the hospital.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 4: Okay started eating.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 5: I got it. However, in the early morning hours of
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: May twenty second, his body, clad only in the bottom
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: half of a pair of pjs, was found in a
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 5: twisted heap on a third floor roof below the sixteenth
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 5: floor kitchen, across the hall from his room. Forestall's alleged
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 5: last risen statement, touted in the contemporary press and later
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 5: biographers as an implied suicide note, was part of a
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 5: poem from W. M. Praise's translation of sophocles Tragedy Ajax,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: which I'll attempt to read here for everyone, because you
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 5: know it's so enthralling, Right, who doesn't want to read
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 5: a translation of Sophocles's Tragedy Ajax from what three thousand
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 5: years ago? As a suicide? Uh fair solemnus. The billows
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 5: roll wander around the yet, and sailors gaze upon thy
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 5: shore firm in the ocean set thy son is a
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: foreign climb where I defeeds her countless flocks far from
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 5: that deer remembered rocks warn by the waste of time, comfortless, nameless,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 5: hopeless save.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 10: In the dark prospect of the yawning grave. Woe to
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 10: the mother in her close of day, Woe to her
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 10: desolate heart and temple's gray. When she shall hear her
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 10: loved one story whispered in her ear? Whoa, whoa, will
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 10: be the cry no quiet murmur like the tremulous wail.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 5: Of the lone bird, the querreloss nightingale. Thank you, thank you,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 5: thank you, thank you.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: I like it. I like it and I did, And
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: I just want to say good night to the double
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: B Brandon, who's going to call it a night. He
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: has an early morning obligation. So thank you for your
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 4: gifting of the five minut memberships. Again.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 5: Yes, we will see you on Wednesday.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, have a great weekend.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 5: I think I may have found a new calling, Joe
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 5: reading Greek tragedies. What do you think?
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: I like it. I like how you do. Like the
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: hand motions with that to be like how far so?
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That was allegedly one of the members of Majestic twelve.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 5: And again the FBI determined very quickly that these were
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 5: bogus hoaxed documents. Uh, real quick, like real quick, And
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 5: apparently it was something formed in nineteen forty seven by
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 5: an executive order from President Harry S. Truman to facilitate
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 5: recovery and investigation of alien spacecraft. The FBI had cleared
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 5: the documents to be completely bogus, and many ufologists consider
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 5: them to be an elaborate hoax. Majestic twelve remains popular
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 5: among some UFO conspiracy theorists, and the concept has appeared
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 5: in popular culture television, film, video games, and literature. So again,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 5: and it didn't just go out. These documents didn't just
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 5: go out to the FBI. They went out to UFO
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 5: researchers who had a giant, wet dream. I mean, you
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 5: can imagine them opening these envelopal documents and going, oh.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 4: My, yeah, Rob, wasn't it the Majestic twelve documents delivered
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: to the door of a UFO researcher.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah. On May thirty first, nineteen eighty seven,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: it was widely reported that ufologist Timothy Good claimed to
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: be in possession of some nineteen fifties era UFO documents.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 5: The documents purported to reveal a secret committee of twelve
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 5: supposedly formed in forty seven by an executive order from Truman,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 5: and according to eufologist William Moore, his buddy in a
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 5: Los Angeles television writer producer Jamie Shandra received documents that
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 5: appeared to be briefing papers describing Operation Majestic twelve in
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 5: mid December nineteen eighty four. These documents were found on
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 5: an undeveloped role of thirty five millimeter film in a
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 5: brown paper package that had been dropped through Chandra's metal slot.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 5: The package bore no additional information other than a New
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 5: Mexico postmark. When developed, the role of film revealed. The
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 5: Truman Forestall Memo, a top secret memorandum from Truman to
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: Forestall dated September twenty fourth, forty seven, of authorizing him
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 5: and a doctor Vanavar Bush. I don't know if it's
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 5: any relation to you.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, you know, I saw that name on there.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 5: To proceed with Operation Majestic twelve. And the Eisenhower briefing document,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 5: a seven page, top secret eyes only Majestic twelve document
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 5: used a brief President elect Eisenhower dated November eighteenth, nineteen
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  Speaker 5: fifty two. And of course remember this is the same
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 5: year there's allegedly UFOs over the Capitol in nineteen fifty two.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 5: In July, but right before Eisenhower's getting ready to take office.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 5: Chandra and his ufologist colleagues Stanton Freeman, who you may
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: have heard of before, and Bill Moore, say that they
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 5: later received a series of anonymous messages that led them
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 5: to find out what has been called the Cutler Twiny
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 5: Memo in nineteen eighty five while researching the classified files
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 5: in the National Archives, Purporting to be written by Eisenhower's
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 5: assistant Robert Cutler to General Nathan Twining and containing a
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 5: reference to Majestic twelve. The memo is widely held to
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 5: be a forgery, likely planted in the National Archives as
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 5: part of a host hoax. Sorry, I love How how
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 5: do people manage to insert hoax documents into the National Archives?
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 5: I don't understand that, or that's the expectation for a
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 5: document you come across that. It doesn't really go with
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 5: your way of thinking. Well, somebody must have planned in
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 5: the National Archives, right yeah?
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 11: And ironically, rob a bunch of the blue Book blue
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 11: Book documents can only be viewed at the National Archives,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 11: or does that sou from me?
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 5: Oh see? Claiming to be connected to the US Air
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 5: Force Office of Special Investigations, a man named Richard Dody
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 5: told filmmaker Linda Moulton Howe that the MJ twelve story
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 5: was in fact true, and showed how unspecified documents reporting
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 5: to prove the existence of small gray humanoid aliens originally
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 5: originating from the Zeta reticulized star system. Doty reportedly promised
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: to supply how with film footage of UFOs and an
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 5: interview with an alien being, although no footage ever materialized
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 5: at the time, although Joe later in the nineties, I
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 5: remember seeing this on TV. This it was an interview
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 5: with an alien, right where they had this alien in
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 5: some top secret room. It was like half dead and
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 5: they were questioning this thing.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I came across that today. Didn't put up
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: on my power point.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: But supposedly people have really like studied that film, an
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 5: interview with the alien, and they can't point out how
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 5: it was done. You know, if it was faked.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 4: Right, it's before AI, that's for sure.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 5: It's definitely before AI. And it's you know, you're talking puppets,
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 5: you know, it wouldn't have been that. They didn't have
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 5: the sophisticated like robotics to do something like that at
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 5: that time either, right, So, and it wasn't like some
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 5: dude in a mask either, so I mean, and they
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 5: like analyzed the way its mouth moved, the way it's
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 5: nostrils moved, the way it's its eyes moved, and they
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 5: were even looking at reflections in the in the alien's eyeballs,
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 5: and you know, it was crazy. But as I say,
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 5: with most things on here, Joe, I have no idea
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 5: what is true and what isn't or what is and
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 5: what is it? And I don't claim to, yeah, but
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 5: to me, you know, it's it's interesting.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, especially with this subject because there's so
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: much like secret technology being you know, covered up and
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 4: sigh uped on and crashed and we're gonna whatever happened,
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: it's with this subject it might even be worse than
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: JFK with misinformation that's going on.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see. In nineteen eighty eight, a special agent
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 5: from the US Air Force a Special Investigations contacted the
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 5: Dallas branch of the FBI after they received the Majestic
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 5: twelve documents from an individual at an unnamed school who
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 5: claimed to have received it in the mail. The FBI
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 5: then began his own investigation of the supposed secret document
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: and quickly formed doubts as to its authenticity. After receiving
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 5: information from the os IS on November thirtieth of that
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 5: year that no such committee had ever been authorized reformed,
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 5: the FBI declared that the document was completely bogus and
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 5: wrote it all over the document.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 4: Bogus us OHSAI being the Office of Special Investigations for
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 4: the Air Force.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's the FBI writing bogus.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: Thank you, mister, Mike Seacrest, I show your comments earlier,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: but thank you, thank you for the five dollars.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 5: Which you appreciated, Mike, We really do uh now. More recently,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 5: muck Rock contributor Emma Best has suggested that the papers
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 5: were government sponsored or at least tolerated disinformation, because the
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 5: declassified FBI file on Majestic twelve does not mention any
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 5: further investigation, define or prosecute the forger responsible for it.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 5: So she's positing the theory that this was done by
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 5: our own government to some kind of disinformation scam.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: Who knows, right, Well, well, that's always the debate, right,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 4: Are these documents real are they not? Was it a hoax?
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 4: That's the debate.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 5: In addition to the Roswell incident, the Eisenhower briefing document
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 5: also mentioned a second crash in nineteen fifty. The second
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 5: crash was in Mexico near the towns of l Indio
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 5: and Guerrero along the Mexico US border. And I think
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 5: is that the other document I had here? I believe
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 5: this was it. Yeah, so this is from nineteen fifty
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 5: Joe right, And it has to do with flying saucers
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 5: as to the director of the FBI, of course Hoover
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 5: and from the sec of Washington, concerning flying saucers, and
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 5: it says an investigator for the Air Force stated that
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 5: three so called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 5: They were described as being circular in shape, with raised
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 5: centers approximately fifty feet in diameter, each one occupied by
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 5: three bodies of human shape but only three feet tall,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 5: dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 5: body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 5: suits used by speed flyers and test pilots. According to
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 5: mister redacted, an informant, the saucer was found in New
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 5: Mexico due to the fact that the government has a
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 5: high powered radar set up in that area, and it
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 5: is believed the radar interferes with the controlling mechanism of
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 5: these saucers. No further evaluation was attempted by a special
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 5: agent redacted concerning the above. So again, this is called
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 5: the Hottle memo, and it is it is considered possibly
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 5: a hoaxed document. That one. Now that one looks pretty
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 5: legit to me.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: It does. Can you go back to it for one second.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 4: I want to try to read the Curse of Flying above.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 4: The following information was furnished to essay redacted flying discs
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 4: saucers on something saucers it Robert looks it's if it's
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: a fake, it's a very good faith.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like this one looks legit.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, it does because and the redactions too. You know
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 4: that everyone redacts the names of the informant, for example
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: in the paragraph at the bottom, or the special agent.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 4: That's like par for the course. That's normal. So it
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 4: if this is a fake, it got me.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's one of the more interesting FBI documents
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 5: that's out there. I mean, I clearly say is that
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 5: you know fifty foot craft was retrieved along with three
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 5: alien bodies three feet tall three feet tall in metallic suits.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: Do you think they could have dressed up.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 5: Three more Frageria kids.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, oh man, so ah that is funny. Yeah, like
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 4: like James has said, lots of psyops and uh and
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 4: and hoax is going on out here in the desert.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 4: And yeah. It was also that Majestic twelve document you mentioned.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 4: It was postmarked from New Mexico, right, So, I mean
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 4: that's where all the ship is going on.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 5: So when Night ninety six, the document called the m
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 5: J twelve Special Operations Manual circulated among ufologists, it is
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 5: also widely considered to be a fake and a continuation
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 5: of the MJ twelve myth. And this was basically a
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 5: manual for processes to basically do what Bluebook was doing,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 5: which is document how you document sightings, crash retrievals, productions,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 5: had you know, and basically how to type of manual.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 4: How you classify them.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 5: Now, Stanton Friedman and he believed that the m J
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 5: twelve documents that were they were authentic. He examined them
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 5: and argued the United States government has conspired to cover
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 5: up knowledge of crashed and retrieved extraterrestrial spacecraft. The name
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 5: Majestic twelve had been prefigured in the UFO community when
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 5: Bill Moore asked National Inquirer Bob Pratt in nineteen eighty
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 5: two to collaborate on a novel called Magic twelve m
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 5: aji K twelve. Because of this, Pratt has always been
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 5: inclined to think that the Majestic twelve documents are a hoax. Again,
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 5: seems a bit of a stretch, but okay, you know,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 5: referring to a book that was never written, right, that's
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 5: like I say, hey, let's write a book and call
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 5: it this whatever. So interesting seems off of fishy. But again,
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 5: a lot of these what we would call in our
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 5: community smoking gun documents Joe, are considered to be hoaxes
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 5: in the UFO community. And of course, you know, the
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 5: JFK community has their own quote unquote smoking documents that
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 5: are considered to be hoaxed documents because if true, well,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 5: by God, Joe, that would just blow the roof off
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 5: of everything, wouldn't it, right, too good.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: To be true documents.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 6: Yes, we have a few of them.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so who knows? I mean this is Yeah, I
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 5: don't think JFK was killed by the CIA, because he
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 5: asked about CIA. He asked about UFO, you know what
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 5: I mean? Yeah, because allegedly, you know, the progender you know, Truman, Eisenhower,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 5: these guys who would have known about this shit. You know,
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 5: they generally informed the next president about all of you know,
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 5: the Book of Secrets, you know, the President's Book of
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 5: Secrets type thing, right. You know, even if the CIA
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 5: isn't going to tell Kennedy what's going on, I'm sure
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 5: there are our people in the government that would have
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 5: briefed him on certain things if he asked. You know,
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 5: It's not like he was just wanting to know. You know, hey,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 5: how do we tell I suppose the UFO from a
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 5: Russian craft?
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 5: Is it a threat or are they friendly? Or what
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 5: are we doing here? Is it our shit or what?
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah? And how do we prevent Russia from misidentifying a
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: UFO as Americans coming to attack them? I think that
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 4: was more his big concern, right.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 5: Well, if you were trying to disguise a an American
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 5: top secret craft that could do amazing things, you surely
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 5: wouldn't paint an American flag on the side of it,
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 5: you know, surely wouldn't put any English writing on the thing, right.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 5: Hence the weird hieroglyphic type crap people say they've seen
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 5: on these things and hm, you know, yeah.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 4: No, it's part of the sye op. It's part of
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 4: the the deception part of it. Almost, Yeah, for sure,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 4: all right, joke.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 5: Take us home? All right?
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 4: Well, I had a couple of comments pinned really quickly,
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 4: slacker Dan, I'm not sure if you're still here, Triple
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 4: will be in Joe. If someone in chat wants to
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 4: send you an interesting YouTube link to a JFK video
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 4: you may both find interesting, how would one do so?
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 4: One would do so by emailing the Long Done In
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 4: podcast at gmail dot com and we might play it
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 4: if you're yeah, here are members only, for sure.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 5: Do not waste your time with horses assery.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Tiny said earlier, if Joe bumps into Judith
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 4: Varry Baker during Lancer weekend, he should ask her due
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 4: to budget restrictions. I heard that when they canceled funding
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 4: her bioweapons research, she transferred to Area fifty one. Is
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 4: that something she claimed? I wouldn't be surprised.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 5: And she.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 4: No, stop it. I was like, what, Wow?
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 5: It was just as speaker that she named Bob isn't.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 4: But Tiny, I might have bad news. Your boy might
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 4: not be going to Lancer this year. Rob and I
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 4: are talking about doing something even cooler. So but before
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 4: I take us out, Rob, I wanted to talk about
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 4: this skufuza and bring it back to career. Right, the
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 4: UFO guy that you see on the History Channel, and.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: Yes, the emergency room doctor turned disclose your advocate.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 4: What kind of doctor is he? I have no idea.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 5: He's an emergency room doctor. He can do anything. If
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 5: you go in there with a remote control of your ass,
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 5: he can get it out.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 4: Interesting. Well, I'm not going to play the clip at
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 4: the risk of us getting dinged for you know, playing
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 4: stuff we're not supposed to play. But paraphrasing, this is
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 4: what he says. And the title of the episode or
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 4: title of this clip is JFK was killed for this,
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 4: And of course he goes into JFK was killed because
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 4: he was going to disclose UFO and you know, the
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 4: secrets behind UFO or fighting for UFO transparency. But he
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 4: goes a step further. I mean, he also got wrong
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 4: that Alan Dulls was fired in sixty three, but that's okay.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 4: He goes on to say that RFK was also murdered
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 4: because his interest in UFOs, and he says in this
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 4: interview there was a mess letter correspondence RFK sent to
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 4: someone a month before his assassination in sixty eight, and
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 4: he goes, JFK RFK was were killed for the same reason.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 4: And I gotta say, like, I have no opinion on
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 4: this guy. I like him, like like I enjoy you,
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 4: like I've seen him on the History Channel and shit
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 4: like that. But when I hear shit like this man,
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 4: I really like start to question what else.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 5: Stepping out of his lane? He should stay in his lane.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 5: Don't get out your lane, sir.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So I searched for this document and there are
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 4: one hundred and I think it's one hundred and twenty
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 4: eight pages of RFK UFO correspondence. So I go, hmm,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 4: that's interesting. Could there be something here? And this is
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 4: from sixty five, of course it's not from the year
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 4: Who's killed. I couldn't find anything from sixty eight. I
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 4: wasn't going to go through all of them, but they're
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 4: all read like this. Thank you for your letter regarding
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 4: your questions concerning Unidentified flying objects. I have not received
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 4: a copy of the book UFO Evidence, so it cannot
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 4: give you an opinion on it. If it were desirable
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 4: to hold congressional hearings on the question, Cheryl Luna unidentified
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 4: flying objects, I would certainly agree that they should be
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 4: open to the public.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 5: Beat me up, Hotty.
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 4: Doesn't sound like a someone that's ready to get killed
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 4: over UFO disclosure. Next one, thank you for your letter
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 4: asking about my views concerning so called UFOs. I regret
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 4: that my reply is on his prompt. I have noted
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 4: from time to time public discussions about UFOs about the
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 4: basis of such phenomena. From the evidence available to date,
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 4: I do not believe UFO phenomena are caused by vehicles
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 4: of extraterrestrial origin. However, scientists agree that not enough is
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 4: known about it, and in some cases reputable witnesses which
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: we have gone through pilots to definitely identify the cause
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 4: of the phenomena. So, Bro, it sounds like he's just
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 4: giving like the standard response like thanks for writing, Yeah,
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 4: we'll look into it. It should be open to the public. Right,
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 4: doesn't sound like someone about to be killed over his
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 4: UFO disclosure. And I came over this one, Bro, You're
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 4: gonna love this. I wish I sent the to you before.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 4: So you could done this sky's accent. Dear Senator Kennedy,
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  Speaker 4: let me speak quickly and straight. My name is Owens.
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  Speaker 4: The US government CI and I say, NASA President know
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 4: me as quote P. K Man, I am not a crackpot.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 5: I am T. K Man. I am not a crackpots.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 5: What sounds like.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 4: It, which of course means he's a fucking crackpot. But
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 4: what I have to say sounds like it. And this
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 4: is in the like couple hundred rfk UFO files correspondence
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 4: where everyon call it. I am probably the only man
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 4: in the US who could prove absolutely that the UFOs
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 4: are real and they can tell what you are up to.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 4: When I say proof, I mean I have it. Not
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 4: only that, but the US is in great danger and
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 4: I can prove that too, not from Russia or China,
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 4: et cetera. The US government has known this for a year.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 4: I submitted my proof to them, but only a great
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 4: silence has developed.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 5: I made five storms here in Philadelphia last year, calling
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 5: each storm a week or two in advance.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 4: When I heard of when I read I'm not a crackpot,
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 4: I was like, I died. I was like, this, dude,
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 4: the crackpot.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 5: I made it rain five times in Philadelphia.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, well, weather manipulation is a whole different story.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 5: I'm psychokinetic, man.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 4: This is fact. Owens continues. I made five storms here.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't even get to this part you read above me.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: I read five storms here in Philadelphia last year. I
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 4: made five storms, calling each storm a week or two
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 4: in advance, and then am one of those two to
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 4: the newspapers so it would be on record. It was
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 4: so accurate that the Bulletin, which is a staid conservative newspaper,
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 4: gave me a big write up on as quote the
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 4: rain maker er.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 8: I'm not sure if they were serious about that, but
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 8: that's funny. But then when I went on to the
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 8: Jack McKinney right talk site talk show here and explained
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 8: that the UFOs made the storms, so we're saying storms
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 8: when I signaled them, a great wall of silence clanged
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 8: around me. As far as the newspapers were concerned. I
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 8: wonder why, mister Owens.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 5: Joe, I predicted right now, right now, Joe, somewhere in
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 5: the United States, within the next week or two, it
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 5: will rain. I'm making this bold prediction here today.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 4: What's that same for a family guy when they like say,
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 4: like if this was like a black meteorologist. Just over
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 4: a week ago, I warned George Clark of CIA that
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 4: the UFOs were getting ready to give a demonstration catastrophe
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 4: to the US. Well, it just had it a deep
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 4: freeze all the US.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 8: He's it's cold and it's freezing against the UFOs.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, we laugh at this ship. Right. But
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 5: even today there's a guy from like North Carolina or something.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 5: His name is Chris uh shit, I can't remember his
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 5: last name, but he claims to be able to psychically
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 5: call and communicate with unidentified aerial phenomenon. Okay, yeah, I
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 5: mean he has a podcast, he's done it on film,
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 5: he's done it in front of hundreds of people where
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 5: they go to the beach and he calls these UFOs
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 5: in and they appear in the sky.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 4: Doesn't do it with laser pointers, because I've heard that's
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 4: a thing.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 12: No, No, okay, it's all done through it's called uh Actually,
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 12: Stephen Greer coined the phrase, you know how close encounters
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 12: of a third kind?
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 5: Right, and then there's close encounters of a fourth kind,
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 5: which is added later. And the newest one is the
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 5: fifth kind, which is what this guy is doing, which
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 5: is telepathically calling UFOs to come to them, and apparently
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 5: he's demonstrated it in person with hundreds of people there
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 5: on film. He's went on podcasts where he's went out
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 5: with the podcaster.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 4: Manifesting it almost yeah yeah.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 5: Or he's like on a you know, a psychic wavelength
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 5: of these things where you can call him in okay
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 5: when he went wants them to appear like. He went
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 5: on the Danny Jones podcast and he took Danny out
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 5: to the beach and they he called him and sure enough,
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 5: Danny said, these things showed up. He said they were
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 5: like balls of light in the sky that was just
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 5: zooming around and not not necessarily disshaped craft, but it's
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 5: just unexplainable, like whatever it is. Some people think it's
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 5: angels or who knows what.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 4: Well, that dude, George Knapp, that is boys with bizarre
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 4: Bazar took him out to Area fifty one and said
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 4: let's hang out on the spot. We're going to see him.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 4: And he saw them. They said they saw him. I
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 4: don't know what they saw, but similar, not one hundred
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 4: percent different, right that?
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 4: I mean comparable? Maybe maybe not on the fifth wavelength.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 4: But but yeah, oh man, so let me read here
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 4: Rfk's response, and this is great. Thank you for your letter,
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 4: mister Owens. On so called identified flying objects and quotations,
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 4: many reputable scientists agree that there must be other beings
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 4: in the universe. Doctor Harlowe's Shapley, for one, I stated
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 4: that there is a high probability again nothing to do
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 4: with his letter, to believe that there is other life.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 4: One explanation of this phenomenon connects the lights that are
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 4: seen with the gaseous tales of comments. A careful analysis
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 4: of citing today has not given any indication that quote
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 4: UFOs are manned. I appreciate from hearing you from you
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 4: though on this matter, and hope you will write again
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 4: on matters of mutual interest. Sincerely, Robert So. Essentially, I
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 4: think what career is doing here as he's saying, I
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 4: saw a letter a month before RFK was killed. He
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 4: was talking about UFOs. Now was this type of letter?
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I couldn't find it. That doesn't mean
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 4: he was killed by UFOs. He seems pretty like balanced
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 4: about it, like, yeah, sure write me again man. This
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 4: We should have transparency on this subject and it kind
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 4: of I'm gonna weave it back into JFK with the
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 4: November twelfth, nineteen sixty three memo with you know, transparency
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 4: with Russia with UFOs or you know, unidentified objects. I
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 4: think it was because he didn't want to start a
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 4: nuclear or war because Russia thought America was attacking them,
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 4: because they would have possibly seen UFO. But yet the
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 4: UFO ologists just twisted and twisted. And for me, I
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 4: I am a no on. Was JFK killed because of
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 4: his I'm.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 5: A hard no as well.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 5: And it's not to say that these documents are all
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 5: hoxed right right right, They could be very well legitimate.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, you got to understand that the government will
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 5: want to investigate these claims because the implications, if true,
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 5: are pretty disturbing, right, regardless if he's behind it, you know,
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 5: whether it's not the Nazis or Aliens or you know whatever.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's something going on, and I think there
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 4: was in the late forties. I just don't know what.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 5: Like individual aerospace companies not necessarily part of the government.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 5: They might be government contractors in some sense of the word, right,
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 5: but they could be developing their own shit without telling
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 5: the government ahead of time. You know, you don't really
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 5: want to tell them until you you know, until you
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 5: have something that works and that you can point to,
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 5: and like you know, people that have worked with like
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 5: you know, the stale technology, the you know, the B
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 5: seventeen bomber. These things look like UFOs, you know, they're
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 5: they're freaking weird looking, you know.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 4: And maybe even the you two did, and maybe even
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 4: the you two did at certain points, right, but.
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 5: It looked too much like a plane though.
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 4: Well I'm saying, but maybe it could have been you know,
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 4: flights and whatever could have been the result of many
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 4: of these sightings.
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 5: Like the the stealth bombers. Man they they do, like
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 5: the B two especially, and you know that God knows
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 5: what they have now, you know what I mean, Like
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 5: we are so.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 4: We have no idea what's actually what the current technology is.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 4: It's probably fifty to one hundred years ahead.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 5: Of what we and you if there's even there's even
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 5: doubts out there. And I'm gonna sound like a crackpot.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 4: Like mister.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 5: That you know, is gravity real? Is it a real thing?
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 5: Is it is it a tangible, measurable thing? Or is
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 5: it just a hypothsas to explain something that we don't understand.
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 4: Hm. That that doesn't sound crazy to me, crack potters
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 5: You know a lot of people doubt the whole Newtonian
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 5: theory of gravity, you know, and when you think about
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 5: the ability to move in a way that UFOs have
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 5: been accused of moving, you know, sudden stops, extreme speeds,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 5: you know, extreme turns, extreme altitude jumps or decreases, and
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 5: you know this is stuff that would fuck a person
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 5: up that was inside these things.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 4: With the g forces and should yeah.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah, the forces yeah, of making these maneuvers
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 5: where it's a gravity force or just a motion a
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 5: force of motion. If you know, if you're moving that
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 5: fast and you all of a sudden stop and go right,
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 5: you know, your body is gonna be like, i mean,
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 5: be the worst roller coaster ride in the history of mankind.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 5: And you know, and find a way to mitigate these
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 5: aspects of how traveling this way affects the human body,
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 5: Like if there was a way that it wouldn't affect
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 5: you inside the craft, Hey, you're golden, right, you know
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 5: that's the problem.
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 4: But these days you don't even need to have someone
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 4: inside the craft it can.
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 5: Just be it, right, yeah these days, yeah, yeah.
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 4: But back then not as much. Yeah, and yeah, South
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 4: of West says we're always decades behind. Stealth was developed
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 4: in the sixties, but deybuted it in the eighties and nineties. Yeah,
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 4: so listen, that's twenty thirty years behind today. It's it's
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 4: even greater. It's even greater.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, dude, it's twenty twenty five. We're all supposed
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 5: to be flying around in fucking cars right now. You
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 5: can imagine what they have, Like supposedly they just invented Joe.
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 5: They're like a speeder bike from Star Wars, a real
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 5: one that goes like one hundred and twenty miles an
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 5: hour that you can hop on like a motorcycle and
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 5: it is off the ground, right.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 4: Like a couple of feet off the ground that you
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 4: saw like the Star Wars movies. Right yeah, yeah, Like, uh,
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 4: who do you think they.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 5: Will they just came out with it. But imagine what
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 5: they have if that just came out, you know.
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hopefully they make a scooter that can do
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 4: that so I don't the fall next time.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 5: You can find a way to crash that some bitch like.
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 4: Oswell, right, but it's not lost on me either that
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 4: these things that started happening in the summer of nineteen
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 4: forty seven, it's essentially two years after World War Two.
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 4: You have the German scientists over here, right, we know
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 4: they did jet engines and had their own little, you know,
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 4: disc type of thing that there would have been some
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 4: accidents regarding that end.
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 5: Which explains the crash retrieval teams, these mysterious you know,
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 5: quick clean up teams, the covered you know, semi trucks
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 5: hauling things away from supposed crashes. And you know that
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 5: the men in black that can erase your memory with
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 5: you didn't see anything, you.
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, you're right, and it's uh, it's it's not
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 4: surprising to me that they would try to hide that
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 4: tech or do some type of psyop to play the aliens.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 4: And I think that's going on today. I mean, we
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 4: had an issue, you know, six months ago with all
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 4: those drones over New Jersey that was never explained. We
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 4: have you have no idea what's going on. This is
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 4: a subject that has probably the top tier of misinformation
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 4: and psyopsic going on with it because it deals.
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 5: With if you say, look, all these drones were secret
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 5: military thing. But what are they doing over America? You know,
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 5: you shouldn't be doing that ship. But if it was
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 5: the Chinese, then you can't say it's the Chinese because
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 5: then then the question is why you let these drones
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 5: over America? You know, so they're screwed either way. They
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 5: can't say the truth.
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they said it was an Iranian mothership
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 4: at some point, and of course they love to blame
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 4: Iran so they could get us into another war. But uh,
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 4: crazy subject man.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 5: But and on that note, before Joe gets into another
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 5: anti war rhetoric.
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 4: I saved that for members only.
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 5: I'm on the fat man, Jesus Christ, get us out
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 5: of here, all right, folks, thank you again for hanging with.
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 4: You.
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 5: Hope you speak the fun one. We'll be back that's Wednesday,
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 5: and then of course next Friday for the live show.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 5: There she is the most beautiful girl in the world.
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 5: Are committed in the name of Jim Garrison's Thanks folks,
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 5: you hope you enjoyed the show, and good night. We'll
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 5: see you next week.
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 4: Thank you, guys, have a great weekend.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 5: Whod in that I will make five storms this week
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 5: or next show? I will make five storms across the
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 5: United States,