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We're ranking assholes (Part 4 of 5) · Journey to the Fringe

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from the unexplained to the mundane. Come join
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us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome
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to Journey to the Fringe. Now with good audio
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for real this time. We're serious about fixing
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this audio problem. and every time we fix it
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it ends up being something different but this
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time I think we're good I'm knocking on wood
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so hard right now I had to say it out loud so
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I can't wait to see how this episode is screwed
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up but until that happens we are your podcast
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hosts Taylor and Chelsea here today continuing
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on with our asshole list if somehow you have
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stumbled upon this show on a part four of five,
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I think. First off, you have a very interesting
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way of listening to podcasts, but in any event,
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I think we still want to accommodate you. We
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have covered many assholes in depth on this show,
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and we decided we wanted to rank them all from
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lowest to highest asshole. We are now at 19th
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on the list. We'll probably get to about 10 on
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this episode. Ranking them with a score out of
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50 based on five different categories out of
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10. Deception and fabrication, exploitation,
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harm and legacy. When we add those numbers up,
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we get your asshole number and we tell you where
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you fall on the list. Chelsea and I have each
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ranked these people independently. We are going
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off my list, learning where Chelsea and an independent
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AI has placed these people in their ranking system.
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Except when you're accidentally reading the wrong
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list. Yep. Okay, at number 19, breaking the top
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20, we have Wilhelm Reich, season two, episode
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50. He was a psychoanalyst turned pseudoscientist
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who promoted orgone energy. Oh, yeah, I know
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who that is and sold devices to harness it. His
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achievement was influencing fringe therapy and
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counterculture movements. His asshole factor
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lies in fabricating scientific claims, exploiting
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followers with useless devices and misleading
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people about health, though his legacy persists
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in alternative therapy lore. And I will say this
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is one of the episodes that I did Brush up on
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during recordings, which you don't know how long
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it was so I am fresh on Wilhelm Reich Even though
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I didn't immediately recognize And this is somebody,
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too, that I had to brush up on. I did it well
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before the break, but he was much lower on my
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list until I re -listened to that episode, and
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man, I forgot what an asshole this guy was. Yeah,
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he was a total asshole. Top notch. I probably
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still underestimated him in my numbers. He got
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an overall 34. Oh, mine's at 37. Okay. We're
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in agreeance, pretty much. I gave him a 7 for
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Fabrication and Deception because he got arrested
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by the FDA for selling some - that he knew was
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not medically tested and seemed a lie but like
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even he had Albert Einstein look at it and said
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yeah this thing doesn't do anything. I had him
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at a straight 10 because there is nothing about
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that that was legitimate. I had really low vibes
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until I re -listened to that episode and I forgot
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how crazy this guy went to the point where if
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we ever make a joke about constantly doing math
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to show our sanity this is the guy that we're
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referencing. Because he wrote a letter to his
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son that he has never been more sane because
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he is constantly doing math. He was constantly
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cheating on people, clearly breaking laws all
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the time. He thought the government was out to
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get him. It was so bizarre by the end. For harm,
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I gave him a three. I didn't actually think that
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he did that much harm. There was one quote in
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that episode that I loved. It was a professor
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from Oregon State or something like that whose
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wife loved the Orgone machine. He's like, I know
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it doesn't do anything, but it shuts her up for
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four hours. Yeah, there's some people who definitely
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took it for health matters that probably had
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detrimental health issues because of it, but...
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I don't think he was forcing harm on people.
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It's hard to say. I probably should have put
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it higher. Nah. Grig was a nine. He's pretty
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damn high. Yeah, I have ten. And Orgo and Energy
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is still used today, so I have that as a seven.
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It's not prominent, but it's still there. The
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only thing that I would add, I agree with you
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on harm, I actually have them higher than I think
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I would because, I mean, it's Orgo and Energy,
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like, what the hell is he gonna do with that
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from someone sitting in a chamber? Yeah, and
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that's that whole thing. If he was doing something
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that brought harm on them, I think it's different
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than, like, this. benign thing that's more or
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less just a placebo. Yeah. I mean, there is still
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harm because he's taking money from people. Some
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of them were desperate for a cure to what was
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ailing them. Yeah. Other than that, I think we
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are on the same page. That was just me ranking
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higher than I should have. And we're weirdly
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somewhat on the same page as co -pilot on this
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one. Wilhelm Reich is 35th on their list, but
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he got a 34. So we're all in agreeance on that
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one. Right around the same spot, yeah. Chelsea,
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I think this one's going to be contentious. Next
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up on my list, Bill Moore. Interesting. Season
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3, episodes 44, 46, 48, and 50. He got a deep
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dive. Oh yeah, okay, why is he here? Bill Moore
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co -authored the Roswell Incident, which helped
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cement Roswell as the centerpiece of UFO mythology.
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His achievements were popularizing the crash
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narrative and shaping UFO discourse. His asshole
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moves were secretly cooperating with the government
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disinformation campaigns against Paul Benowitz
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betraying the UFO community while profiting from
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books and notoriety. His saving grace for me?
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That didn't put him any higher. Again, he's a
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34, but I do think he's slightly more of an asshole
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than Ryke, so that's where he's at there. He
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quit the UFO community. He did the 1989 Muthong
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Conference and quit. Yeah. Like he didn't do
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it again. You make a good point. Overall, like
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I said, a 34. I gave him a 7 on deception and
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vibes. Mostly because he knew he was being lied
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to, but he thought he could figure it out. And
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it's hard to tell when he was lying. But he definitely
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lied to Benowitz. Gave him a 5 for vibes. I don't
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get the worst vibes from him. Gave him an 8 for
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harm because of what he did to Benowitz. Gave
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him a 6 for grift just because we know there's
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bigger grifters out there. And importantly, like
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I said, he quit the UFO community. But he got
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an 8 for legacy because a lot of what we see
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today with what the UFO community is, is shaped
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by Bill Moore. When you put it that way, you
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know, he doesn't seem so diabolical like he had
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this grand master plan You just kind of get from
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him that he's just kind of an idiot that was
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used as a pawn and he just kind of played the
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part I ranked him a lot higher. I have a number
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two on my list and I think that is mostly because
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of the deception I gave him a 10 because of what
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he did and that goes hand -in -hand with the
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legacy of it. He had a pretty big hand in what
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was going on and he has a huge hand in the UFO
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lore that we still see today. So the reach is
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ongoing of what he had his hand in and I think
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the grift was high as well. Now harm I probably
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have actually higher than it should be. I have
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it at a nine and I think I came to that mostly
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just because of like I just said it's still in
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the UFO lore that we see today. The the people
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he was working with on like the Roswell and stuff
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like that, that's still something that's talked
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about today. Yeah, he was the one where the bodies
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were recovered at Roswell, right? Like 20 years
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later. Yeah. Oh, there was so much. He's the
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original finder of the MJ -12 documents and like
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government archives. Yeah. And so to me, and
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maybe that's why I ranked it. So Herm is, I think,
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depending on who you're looking at, it can be
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looked at him more than one way. I think I went
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so high on it just because of the harm that he
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did to the UFO community. He really discredited
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pretty much everyone and everything. Right there
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at the move on thing because he was held to such
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high pristine within the community and it suddenly
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just drops out of nowhere Yeah, so yeah, he's
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number two on mine vibes though And now that
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I look back like he does just have like idiot
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vibes And I actually did learn like apparently
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he was just a schoolteacher before he got into
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the UFO community You get that kind of vibes
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from him. Don't you just like he's a Bill Moore
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the name. Yeah And you just wonder, like, did
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he go back to teaching? I wonder what he's up
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to today, huh? I think he's dead. I'm pretty
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sure actually we talked about that. I can't remember.
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That's not one I had to go back to to listen
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to. He's pretty memorable. Yeah. For me. So I
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had him at a two. What does AI have him at? Sorry.
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And what's that give him as a score? Oh, I had
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him at 47. Bill Moore for co -pilot. They have
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him at a 38. Eights and sevens across the board.
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That puts him 20th on their list. I would address
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that. I'd probably take them down a vibe or two.
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Maybe a harm notch down. So maybe I put him.
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He's still high up on my list. And I do have
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their description. So Morris deception and vibes
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are high due to his betrayal of the UFO community
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while profiting from Roswell. His grip is solid
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with books and appearances and his harm comes
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from spreading falsehoods. He's held back by
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a weaker legacy remembered more for scandals
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than enduring influence. That's a fair point,
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but at the same time, a lot of the things that
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we do remember from the UFO community just don't
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have his name attached to them. Yeah, he has
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some books that are still referred back to today
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that people use. They might not use it as a source,
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but the idea itself. And if you have Roswell
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believing people around you, it's because of
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Bill Moore. And they're not going to remember
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that it's Bill Moore. They're not going to know
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that that's where the idea comes from, but they
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know the idea. Yeah. Next up on my list, Chelsea,
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John Lear, season four, episodes 42 and 44. I
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have John Lear. Oh, no, I need to read them.
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I always get too excited to tell you my score
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of people. John Lear, son of the Learjet founder,
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became a prominent UFO conspiracy promoter in
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the 1980s. I assume it is not the one ninety
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and nineteen nineties. His achievement was popularizing
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wild claims about secret bases, alien treaties,
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and government coverups. His asshole factor comes
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from fabricating stories, monetizing lectures,
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and spreading misinformation that confused and
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misled UFO communities. John Lear is tied at
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34, but I do have this in the distinct order
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of how I felt they should fall. John Lear gets
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high deception and fabrication just because of
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what he was doing behind the scenes and how many
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people he's attached to. I don't get bad vibes
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from him, although he does have that like fake
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millionaire playboy persona to him. I think he
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did pretty substantial harm, and in fact, he's
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the last person to talk to Benowitz before he
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got checked into the mental asylum. He grifts
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hard. So I gave him an eight for that. And overall,
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I do think he had a huge impact, a nine, on the
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legacy of the UFO community. Yep. Like, weirdly,
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he's attached to everybody in that time, whereas
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Bill Moore seemed to be doing his own thing.
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John Lear seemed to attach himself to everyone.
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Yeah, I agree all of these like I didn't know
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how to not give them a 10 forever like deception
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and fabrication and Grift and legacy all of these
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bigger assholes are all tense for stuff like
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that for me for some reason I gave them a 7 for
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vibes Yeah, I mean that's really where we're
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differing. I have them pretty high in the deception
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fabrication grift legacy Yeah, and I think that's
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always where the biggest differences are gonna
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be is in the vibe thing because it is fully a
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how do you feel about this whole thing yeah I'm
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not surprised that he's close to Bill Moore on
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this just because he has a pretty far reach now
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it's just not I don't know for some reason Bill
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Moore his legacy just seems so much more grandiose
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to me than John Lear I don't know maybe part
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of like the legacy for me is like Jeremy Corbell
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lived with him for a while and like breaks about
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it so he's still shaping the community I forgot
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about that. He's probably one I could have used
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to listen on. And he's the one who brought George
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Knapp into the UFO community, too, because he
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was doing, like, basically Las Vegas crime stuff
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for a long time, and then John Lear was his first
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interview in the UFO. Fuck, I forgot about all
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of that. And he fully admits to lying about a
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ton of stuff, like, writing fake documents all
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the time. Like there was one quote and it was
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on Bill Cooper and he's like bill you got to
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stop saying that you got this document from the
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Navy I wrote it. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.
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Oh, yeah, he's an asshole. I stand by where I
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have him He's fifth on my list co -pilot has
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him at 25th on their list with the 36 eights
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and sevens across the board Mostly sevens. And
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it says, Lear scores high in deception and grift
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for wild UFO claims and monetization. His legacy
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is solid, influencing conspiracy lore. His vibes
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are mid -length, seen as abrasive but not universally
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toxic. He's held back by moderate harm since
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his influence misled but didn't devastate. And
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I have no idea where this is gonna fall on your
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list, Chelsea. Next up... I have Pinkertons,
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Season 4 Episode 2. Their total ranked on mine
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is a 26. Pinkertons is a detective agency which
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has become notorious for strike breaking and
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anti -labor violence in the late 19th and early
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20th centuries. Their achievements were building
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one of the most powerful private security forces
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in history. Their asshole actions include deception,
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exploitation of workers, and direct harm through
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violence and intimidation, leaving a legacy of
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corporate coercion. And I think what made them
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score so high I have them as a 35 overall. They
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have super bad vibes and legitimately bad harm.
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Like, they've killed many people. They have left
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families destitute. They're still around doing
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the same thing, and like, Pinkerton's showed
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up as much as in the last five years at the door
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of somebody who got the wrong Magic the Gathering
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cards mailed to them. to basically intimidate
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yeah don't you remember that like somebody got
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magic the gathering cards that weren't supposed
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to be released yet and they did a youtube video
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on them and wizards of the coast hired pinkertons
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to go intimidate them to take down the video
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this is another one i could have used to brush
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up on but now that you say that i remember however
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i did match with your vibes and harm i have them
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up at nine for vibes and eight for harm It was
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just everything else. And I guess I just put
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them at legacy as a four because I don't really
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remember them. I remember they're bad dudes though.
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I do remember that. I do have them as a 10 on
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legacy because labor laws and rights across North
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America are where they are because of Pinkertons.
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Is it? Was it? I thought they were like investigators.
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I guess I need - Well they are, but they're strikebreakers.
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I think I'm gonna go back and re -listen to this
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episode, even though I've already ranked them
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as this. I think we're gonna have a lot of varying
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views on legacy moving forward on my list, because
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a lot of where we're at now got to where they
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are because of such high legacy. Interesting.
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Copilot has Pinkertons as seventh on their list
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with a 42. Wow. They got nines and eights across
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the board. Wow. Okay. I can't remember if I said
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it. They scored a 35 overall for me. Who knows?
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I might be in agreeance with everyone else once
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I finish that episode. Re -listen. Next up, at
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number 15 on the list, I have HPB, Helena Blavatsky.
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Season 1, episode 16. Blavatsky co -founded the
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Theosophical Society and authored the Secret
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Doctrine, blending Eastern mysticism with fabricated
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cosmology. Her achievement was creating one of
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the most influential occult movements of the
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19th century. Her asshole actions include fabricating
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Mahatma letters, exploiting followers, and embedding
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racialized esoteric hierarchies into her teachings,
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leaving a problematic legacy. Insistently for
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me. I do think she lied a ton I gave her a nine
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for deception and fabrication seven for vibes
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Probably would have been higher had this not
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been like the thing of the day like her mysticism
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is what was big in the late 1800s plus she has
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ties to What's it called the society that theosophy
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not theosophy the one that the Nazis really liked
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and you saw that in her writings through the
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episode as well with the racialized. I should
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probably have gone back and listened to that
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one. All I remember is I was really drunk near
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the end of that episode. You know, but it may
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not be noticeable because I did a good job editing
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It's so funny though when you look back on some
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of the stuff what sticks in your mind of what
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doesn't HPB is pretty clear to me. I spent a
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lot of time researching that one great episode
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She's ranked 39th on mine also scoring pretty
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high on deception fabrication as well as legacy
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grift very high harm I do have higher on her
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as well because it inspired breakoffs of her
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teachings into what inspired it would have been
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Himmler I think based on my Behind the Bastards
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listings yeah I think he was the one who was
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big into the occult big into it yeah which inspired
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some stuff she's pretty high up on mine well
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she overall she's 13th on mine So right around
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the same spot, I have her 15th with a 36. Once
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again, she got an 8 on Legacy. It might even
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be higher. It's weird that Theosophy groups are
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still around. I know, right? Still, just because
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it's not the fringe of the day that I think holds
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it back. I think you're right. Wow, right around
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the same spot HPB is 9th on Copilot's list with
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a 98789. Alright, next up is John Hutchison of
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The Hutchison Effect, Season 5, Episode 28. Yeah,
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we just did him. Oh, I have him pretty low, actually.
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He has a score on mine of 25. And I think it
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might be because it's local lore that made me
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give him a little bit higher score, so Hutchison
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gained notoriety for The Hutchison Effect, a
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supposed set of anomalous physics phenomena.
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His achievement was capturing media attention
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and inspiring fringe science enthusiasts. His
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asshole actions include staging demonstrations
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that couldn't be replicated, misleading audiences,
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and monetizing pseudoscience through devices
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and appearances. And yes, he might be a little
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mundane, but I get such weird vibes from him.
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He's one of the few 10 out of 10 vibes I gave.
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Like just such a weird guy picking fights with
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the local municipality and like the Army of Canada
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like super weird eight on deception and fabrication
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because he's straight up making all of it up
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six on harm and ten on legacy four on grift and
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I gave him such a high legacy because So many
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times we look at a story people try to use the
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Hutchison effect to explain it That's true. I
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didn't think of it that way. I gave him Lower
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overall like completely an non memorable person
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That's why I gave him low on legacy. I can fully
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agree with a low legacy, but the Hutchison effect
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is going to live on a long time, unfortunately.
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That's true. And it's kind of like what we were
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just talking about with Bill Moore. It's people
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use it to back something up or where they know
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it from, but they have no idea where it's coming
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from. And it's not his name. They're not using
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him to back it up, but they're using the Hutchison
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effect. Like, but they have no idea the details
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behind it or where it's come from or anything
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like that. Interesting. Co -pilot has him real
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low on their list. Sorry, what was your overall
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score? Twenty... Yeah, I think you did say a
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25. I have a 38. So he's 37. He's pretty high
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up there. Co -pilot seems to agree more with
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you. He's 38th on their list with a 33. 86676.
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I'm also enjoying how much our ranking systems
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differ. It's pretty great. Well, and that's the
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beautiful thing about all these individuals.
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They are very different and everybody gets a
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different thing from them. Yeah. Number 13 on
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my list is Romana de Dula, season four, episode
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16, and many fringy minis in between. She's 11
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on mine. Not that far off. No, not at all. She's
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ranked on mine 39 is my total. And I have her
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as a 38, so we are not that far. Beautiful. Romana
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de Dula declared herself the Queen of Canada,
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issuing fake decrees and soliciting money from
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followers. Her achievement was briefly gaining
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notoriety in QAnon -adjacent circles. Her asshole
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actions are extreme, fabricating authority, exploiting
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vulnerable people financially and causing real
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-world harm through manipulation and false promises.
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She scored very high for me on vibes and deception
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and fabrication because everything is so made
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up and she's issuing money. for her followers
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to use but not use they gotta wait for her to
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tell them I have her high on everything pretty
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much and then legacy I tanked her I gave her
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a four on legacy probably could have been lower
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too harm was an eight the people she is harming
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it's fairly substantial but it's an incredibly
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small group Yeah I have her 10 deception, vibes
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8, harm 8, grift 10, legacy 3. And I gave her
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a 7 on grift because they have to live out of
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that RV. I guess they got technically given like
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an abandoned school but like she's not living
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high off of the money she's making off of this.
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She's just not doing that good of a job so you
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ranked her a little lower. Basically. Okay I
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can get behind that. If she would have got somebody
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rich to follow her, then yes, full ten. Like,
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she's trying to grift so hard. And if anybody
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ever accepts her money as currency, then yes,
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ten. Hard. But until that day, she's not quite
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there yet. Also, I think our only dip into the
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QAnon group so far. I don't think they've come
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up anywhere else. Co -pilot has put Romana at
23:08
number three on its list. Oh shit. 9 for deception,
23:13
10 for vibes, 10 for harm, 8 for rift, 7 for
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legacy. So a 44 overall. Nice. I can't dispute
23:20
you, Copilot, but that is a reasonable assertion,
23:25
but didn't give me a description of why. That's
23:27
okay. You did your part. Yeah. We'll forgive
23:30
him. Him. Now this one I did relisten to this
23:35
episode But I still can't quite remember why
23:38
I put this so high Chelsea at number 12 I have
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Preston Nichols season 2 episode 46 about Montauk
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Oh, I have him high. He's on six on mine. That
23:49
seems like a mistake Nichols co -authored the
23:52
Montauk project book which claims secret government
23:55
experiments in time travel mind control and alien
23:58
technology His achievement was creating a sprawling
24:02
mythos that inspired pop culture, including stranger
24:05
things. His asshole actions include fabricating
24:09
elaborate tales, monetizing them through books
24:12
and appearances, and misleading audiences into
24:14
believing his stories were factual accounts of
24:17
government abuse. Yes, and now I'm remembering
24:20
it. Chelsea, you did this episode. You started
24:22
his book off with, not all of these facts are
24:25
true. A lot of them are what we call gray facts.
24:28
which we're just gonna move forward with and
24:31
you can either read this as serious or a science
24:33
fiction book either one's fine yeah i totally
24:37
remember the gray the gray facts yeah because
24:44
he couldn't prove any of them yeah and he barely
24:47
had anybody giving him stories to like write
24:49
the book either it was super weird that is so
24:52
funny i forgot about that that is somebody who
24:54
got reassessed when i re -listened to that episode
24:56
now that i remember I got a nine for deception
24:59
and fabrication for that whole purpose from me,
25:02
a nine for vibes, five for harm because not a
25:05
lot of negative impact has come from the Montauk
25:08
underground base, seven for grift because like
25:11
you straight up wrote that book specifically
25:13
just to sell it. Not because you want to get
25:15
info out there, and eight for legacy because
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Montauk is still talked about today, even as
25:20
it's said in that description. Stranger Things
25:21
is based off the story of Montauk. Montauk within
25:25
everything I think is fairly high. I don't know
25:28
if it's just me as far as legacy goes, but I
25:30
mean look at Stranger Things. But it's no Area
25:33
51. It's up there, but it's no Area 51. That's
25:36
why it's an 8. That's true. The only thing I
25:38
would change, I do think he needs to come down.
25:41
And see I do have a problem with deception and
25:43
fabrication because if I look through all my
25:46
stuff I rate most people who are assholes very
25:49
high on the deception and fabrication. Which
25:52
skews my whole total anyway. I would probably
25:56
take harm down a few pegs. I have it at seven.
25:59
Otherwise, I think we're pretty on par. I have
26:02
legacy one higher than you. I think harm for
26:05
me is a little bit higher than I think it needs
26:07
to be because again, I don't know that he harmed
26:10
anybody per se with this other than selling books
26:14
and appearances and stuff. Yeah, it's one of
26:17
the like people don't go to Montauk to see the
26:20
base even. Yeah. Whereas like Area 51 has people
26:23
go to it. Yeah. In the end, if I was to go see
26:26
a lecture on something like this, first of all,
26:28
you're going to have, is it true? Was it not?
26:30
When you go in there, right? If I were to find
26:32
out it's totally not true, I wouldn't be mad
26:34
that I spent 30 bucks and bought a book. It's
26:36
not like he was threatening my family or anything,
26:39
you know? Yeah. Or, you know, making you come
26:42
to a $10 ,000 a night UFO view party. Yeah, exactly.
26:47
Foreshadowing. I think I would bring him down
26:50
some pegs on reassessment of that. But Dylan
26:53
Asshole. I have him as a 38 overall. High, not
26:57
quite at that legacy level, and it's a name you
26:59
don't remember. Bill Moore, even with the boring
27:01
name, people will remember him. I don't think
27:03
people remember Preston Nichols. But Montauk
27:06
is good. Montauk, yes. I don't know that many
27:08
people would know Bill Moore, though, I wonder.
27:11
It's hard to say. It's hard to say. That's what
27:13
I was just about to say. Hard to say. Anyhow.
27:17
Who's next? Well, I just wanted to say Copilot
27:19
has him at a 39 but that puts him 19th overall
27:23
in their list. Eights and seven across the board
27:25
except for deception and fabrication where he
27:27
scored a nine. I love how our scoring systems
27:29
are so different. You can just assume from here
27:31
on out that my deception and fabrication all
27:33
tensed. See I still have a lot of variation in
27:36
mine. I think this is where we're gonna cut the
27:37
list off for the episode is this one here. Just
27:42
missing out on the top 10 at number 11 for me,
27:45
a very recent one so we can probably talk a lot
27:47
about this, Rick Dyer, season 5 episode 72. Oh
27:51
right, I was like who is he? Dyer is infamous
27:55
in the Bigfoot world for repeatedly staging hoaxes
27:58
including fake carcasses that he charged people
28:01
to see. His achievement was briefly fooling media
28:04
outlets and drawing crowds with his stunts. His
28:06
asshole actions are serial. fabricating evidence,
28:09
exploiting believers financially, and undermining
28:11
genuine research with repeated scams. He's top
28:15
10 for me. I gave him a 38 overall, and the only
28:18
thing that is holding him back, like he got 9s
28:20
and 8s across the board for me, 9 in deception,
28:23
8 in vibes, 9 in grift, 8 in legacy. He's completely
28:27
destroyed anybody who claims to have anything
28:29
with regards to Bigfoot. Anybody coming forward
28:32
from here on out is ruined by Rick Dyer. But
28:35
he didn't do that much harm. I'm completely on
28:38
board with all of that. He's at a 41 for me.
28:41
Legacy, I have him on the lower end because I
28:44
wouldn't know him if he said the name outside
28:47
of, you know, having this episode, though I do
28:50
know him by Bigfoot and the freezer guy. So maybe
28:54
he would be a little bit hot. I don't know. Weirdly
28:58
that this episode finishes off on what we were
29:00
discussing in the Fringy Mini. Oh, yeah. That's
29:04
funny. And the other thing I was gonna say is
29:07
it's funny that he's back around in the Bigfoot
29:10
community again, though At least he wants to
29:12
be who knows what's actually gonna happen But
29:15
yeah, I just it's hard to say he did that much
29:17
harm unless you're talking about like to the
29:19
UFO community But I think that falls under legacy
29:22
I think when you're talking about harmed a Bigfoot
29:24
community overall that's falling under legacy
29:26
He didn't actually harm anyone except that guy
29:29
who got fired from the sheriff's office Yeah.
29:33
Because he helped him fake a Bigfoot. I do not
29:36
want anyone who helped fake a Bigfoot in the
29:38
police department. I don't. I'm in agreeance
29:43
with all of that. Total asshole. Copilot is kind
29:46
of right in between us. So it has him at 13th
29:49
overall. with a 40. A split in the hairs between
29:53
us. Yep. The only thing holding him back is legacy
29:55
on their list. Nines and eights across the board
29:57
outside of that where he got a six. That's what
29:59
I put him at for legacy as well. Six. Interesting.
30:03
I think he's just harmed the Bigfoot community
30:05
so much that like it can't be that low. No, I
30:09
think you're right. Absolutely. He just, if I
30:13
think UFO, he's not top of mind. And I would
30:16
say that Melba Ketchum. I don't know that she
30:20
did would do more for legacy if I think about
30:23
it that way. Where is she? I gave her a six.
30:26
She's lower on my list. I gave her a six as well.
30:29
OK. Yeah. What did I have her down? Because we've
30:31
already gone past her. I gave her a two. She's
30:34
going to be forgotten, I guess. Technically,
30:36
her signed paper is going to be cited a lot,
30:38
though. Yeah, I think I'm good with the six for
30:41
legacy, though, if you refer to him as Bigfoot
30:44
in the freezer guy, I would maybe give him a
30:46
higher legacy. Which, that's what he's known
30:48
for. Although, I don't think technically he's
30:51
my highest bigfoot asshole on this list. Although
30:54
that might be questionable whether or not you
30:55
consider my top guy in that category a bigfoot
30:59
asshole per se. I like where this is going. But
31:02
he's still, we got some time to get to there.
31:04
Yeah. I'm excited. I think that's where we're
31:07
cutting this one. We're going into the top ten.
31:10
We're gonna see some variation, but I think we're
31:12
gonna have a lot of agreement that these people
31:14
are definitely assholes. I wonder if we're gonna
31:16
agree on number one. I bet we do. I don't think
31:19
we are. I think we're gonna be close, but I don't
31:22
think we do. That's disappointing. Okay, we'll
31:25
see next week, I guess. I have been Taylor, here
31:27
with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank
31:29
you all for listening. We'll see you next week.
31:31
Bye.