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Drive Thru News #46 - Forza Ferrari at Le Mans, Again! · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Welcome to drive through episode number 46.
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  This is our monthly recap where we put together a menu of automotive,
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  motorsport, and random car adjacent news.
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  Let's pull up to window number one for some automotive news.
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  Eric.
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  There wasn't anything at all car related that happened this weekend.
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  Was there not at all?
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  The month of June is devoid of car things in general.
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  Yeah, this will be a pretty short episode, but welcome back, Brad.
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  We missed you last month.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I had family stuff going on and I could have tried to make it, but it would, it
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  would have been a disservice to the fans.
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  All two of them.
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  Well, big shout out to William, big money Ross for stepping in and filling
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  in for you is great episode last month.
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  So thank you again, William, if you're listening.
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  It wouldn't be a drive through episode if we didn't just kick
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  it into high gear right away.
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  So let's talk about some Cybertruck updates.
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  Brad, I know you still haven't got ready of your allotment, but we are seeing
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  more and more of these on the road.
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  I'm walking away from it and I have actually seen one in
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  person in my neighborhood.
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  I'm going to see your, I've seen it in person and I'm going to up you
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  to got a private tour from an owner.
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  So here's how it played out.
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  Was driving with my eldest daughter.
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  We were going somewhere and I spotted it in the distance up on a hill.
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  And I just.
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  Slammed the brakes, turned in, I was like, I gotta see this thing in person.
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  Was it stuck?
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  It looked like it was.
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  My daughter goes, Dad, there's one of these at school now.
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  It's so ugly.
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  Yeah, I just want to see it in person.
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  So first impressions, right?
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  And I'm in my station wagon, which by the standards of 20 years ago was huge.
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  But compared to the cyber truck, it's like pulling up next to a semi truck.
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  I mean, it is as big.
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  It's like an F250.
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  It is enormous.
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  Okay, fine.
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  So then I bump into the owner and I'm like, Hey, is this your Cybertruck?
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  He's like, yeah, he's an older guy.
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  And he starts telling me about it and how long it took to get it
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  and how long he's been waiting.
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  He's got two other Teslas and he just loves it and how fast it is and
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  this and that and the other thing.
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  And I'm like, Oh, okay.
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  And I'm looking at it for all the things that we've critiqued it.
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  Panel gaps and the finish and the ripples in the stainless and just
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  everything that people have made fun of or mentioned are 100 percent true.
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  But he continues on.
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  He's like, let me show you around the truck.
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  So he's super excited.
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  He's so stoked, right?
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  I'm like, Hey, I mean, good for you.
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  You're a proud owner of a cyber truck.
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  I'm going to start with that tonneau cover.
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  Should we even call that a tonneau cover?
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  Sure.
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  Yeah.
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  It's a tonneau cover.
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  Okay, not the roll up weird IKEA garage door thing they use to cover the trunk.
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  Okay.
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  It's not a Tigre cover.
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  Truck owners know what I'm talking about.
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  The Tigre brand.
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  Oh yeah.
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  So get this, the buttons to operate said tonneau cover because it does
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  retract into that rear firewall there, the beginning of the truck bed.
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  The buttons are all long that I don't know what to call it.
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  Cause there's no pillars in the Cybertruck.
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  So let's say where the D pillar would be, you know, the back of the truck bed, the
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  button is there exposed to the elements.
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  And I was thinking to myself, can I just walk up to any Cybertruck
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  and open the tunnel cover?
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  Cause the buttons are right there.
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  You probably need the key, which isn't a key.
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  It's a credit card.
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  Well, proximity, whatever.
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  If you're close enough with the credit card key, Bob, whatever it is.
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  It probably acknowledges, okay, this is the owner.
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  Okay.
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  To unlock.
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  I was like, all right, cool.
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  And you know, he's showing me about how it's got electric charging.
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  He's like, I can charge my other Tesla from this one.
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  If I were to run out of juice and I'm kind of like trying not to smirk because I'm
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  thinking about the Ford F one 50 lightning and some of the other trucks that, you
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  know, have the built in generators and this, that, and I'm like, wait a minute.
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  So you in emergency will rescue your Tesla.
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  With your Tesla.
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  I'm like, I guess that's doable.
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  Sure.
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  Fine.
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  So we make our way around to the front.
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  So the frunk is ridiculous.
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  What I didn't know is the whole front end basically opens up and those lights
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  that we discovered that are underneath kind of in between the stainless steel
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  and the bumper that are there, the actual headlights, not that wraparound
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  led running light thing that's there.
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  That whole clamshell is one piece.
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  And I was like, okay, well, it's a decent size frunk.
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  And so then we get to the interior and I just cannot help myself but stare
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  at the A frame that is the side of the Cybertruck and like how they designed the
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  window and the door seals and how it all comes together and I'm just like, it's
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  a marvel of engineering to make a circle fit inside of a triangle and not leak.
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  That's what I kept thinking the whole time I looked at this, but when he went
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  to go open the door, which has no door handles, you know, it's a funny Tesla,
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  put your palm up against and add more fingerprints to the stainless steel, and
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  then the door suddenly like pops open like magic, but I noticed that the window
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  drops down like two and a half inches.
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  To be able to clear the angles, you know, how like on a challenger, the
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  old Audi TT, some of the Porsches where they have like frameless doors,
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  you get up to the car, you pull the handle, the window drops down.
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  Well, it does the same thing, but it's like two and a half inches.
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  It's absolutely nuts.
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  And I was thinking to myself, so it's raining outside.
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  This thing has no gutters.
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  For the water off the roof.
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  The roof is like a ski jump and it's got to open two and a half inches.
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  It's going to flood inside the car every time it rains.
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  And guess what's right there.
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  You know, the limited controls that it has are right there where water would hit it.
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  So I was like, this is genius.
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  So I start looking around inside of it because it's so big.
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  The bed is short to me.
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  It looked like a six foot bed.
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  Maybe it's an eight foot bed.
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  People could correct me, but it looks short.
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  The backseat is huge.
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  But it's awkward to get in and out of.
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  You know, he's about six foot tall, the owner of this Cybertruck.
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  And I said, do you mind getting in?
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  Cause I didn't want to get in his car.
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  And he gets in and he's like kind of contorting his neck because of,
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  again, this church apex that it makes for the two doors to come together.
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  I was like, that just looks weird.
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  And I asked him about visibility and this and that, and there is no back
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  window, again because of the roll up tonneau cover and the firewall that's
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  back there, but it does have the glass roof just like a Tesla Model Y, which I
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  recently rode in one when I was in Tampa.
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  So I was like, okay, I'm starting to see some of the design language
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  from the other Teslas in this, this, and that, and the other thing.
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  So I'm assuming it's a two piece roof.
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  To come to a point like that, it's not molded as a triangle.
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  It's a whole lot of stuff.
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  And when you see it up close, you start to really understand how it's put together.
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  And I'm like, okay, fine.
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  The interior reminded me of the Honda.
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  Civic now the element reminded me the element I looked like I could
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  take a fire hose and just clean it all out whenever I wanted.
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  So it was very rubber made and you don't need to do that because the
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  windows go down, but you can't do that because it's short circuit.
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  The whole thing.
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  Exactly.
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  That's true.
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  It looked really cheap.
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  Not to say compared to the other Teslas, but just in general, it wasn't even
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  like, okay, well, we got those hardened mats and Rhino lines and monster this,
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  and you know, like all pickup trucks have where they got that kind of
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  everything sort of plastic and rugged.
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  It just felt cheap and old.
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  And I don't know, I didn't really like it.
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  But I did key in on something and I had pictures of all
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  this stuff in the show notes.
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  It has a rear view mirror.
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  So hold on a second.
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  We can't see out the back.
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  How does the rear view mirror work?
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  He goes, Oh, it's fake.
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  Is it an actual mirror?
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  Is it?
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  It's not digital.
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  Like the, so the Corvettes, the new C8s have the digital mirror
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  with the camera in the back.
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  That's what they did on the Cybertruck.
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  It's just a camera.
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  It's a screen.
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  It's not a real mirror.
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  So I was like, okay, well, that's fair because a lot of the ones that we've
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  seen don't have rear view mirrors at all.
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  Yeah.
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  Can confirm the transmission buttons are the middle piece above the rear
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  view mirror, which is even more awkward with the rear view mirror and the visors
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  attached to it and all that whole kind of thing that we talked about last month.
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  So I was sort of like scratching my head on that.
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  So far, I'm not impressed.
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  Okay, that's cool.
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  I'm sucking it all and he keeps showing me stuff and showing me stuff
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  and check this out, check that out.
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  And then finally, the one thing that got me and that I got to give it props
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  for, it's a big truck and it's heavy.
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  We know that it's on air suspension.
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  I didn't know.
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  And he's like, check out how high and how fast this air suspension works.
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  And I'm like, all right, it's a button.
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  It's like, whoosh, it's up 6 inches.
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  And then it's like, whoosh up.
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  It goes again.
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  Another 6 inches.
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  Like, it can get up really high.
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  Really fast.
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  And I was thinking, okay, my Jeep's got air.
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  It's the old Mercedes air suspension.
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  It's 10 years old.
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  It wasn't fast when it was new, but I've never seen anything move
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  that fast on an air suspension.
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  I was like, that's really cool.
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  Granted, how long is that going to last?
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  I don't know.
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  So questions for how useful is the speed of the air rise, the air
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  suspension elevation, because first of all, can you do it while in motion?
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  I don't think you can.
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  Cause I asked him about that and he sort of diverted his answer to talking
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  about how it rides so smooth and the adjustments and it's like a Cadillac.
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  And I was with you on that.
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  I'm like.
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  In my jeep, I have to be stationary in order to change the height.
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  Now, granted when I'm going down the highway, it will adjust.
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  It goes into aerodynamic mode.
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  He did say that it does have an aero mode where it lowers
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  itself going down the road.
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  I was like, I don't think it lowers itself more than stock, but yes.
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  To your point of laughing, I'm like, it's a brick.
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  I don't know how aerodynamic it is.
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  How does a skyscraper have aero mode?
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  Yeah, I was like, whatever.
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  I thought that was cool.
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  I will say the one armed polka dotted purple people eater that is the windshield
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  wiper, man, that thing is nasty looking.
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  That single armed, Monstrosity.
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  It's huge.
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  It's like six feet long.
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  Cause that front glass is enormous.
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  The truck is 12 feet wide.
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  So it needs a six foot long windshield.
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  Unbelievably big.
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  At the end of the day, I was like, you know what?
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  This was great because I got to see one in person and I didn't have to deal with
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  a salesperson or listen to a bunch of BS.
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  And I got it straight from an enthusiastic owner.
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  Now does it change my opinion of the Cybertruck?
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  Hell no.
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  Oh God.
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  What a farce that thing is.
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  So don't feel bad that you got to get rid of your allotment
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  or walk away from it, Brad.
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  I don't think you'd like it.
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  Although I think you'd fit in it.
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  I don't feel bad.
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  How would I fit in it?
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  Because I mean, you said the guy was the six feet tall, but he still
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  had to scrunch himself to get in.
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  In the back.
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  Oh, in the back.
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  But in the front, you see your head would be in the cupola,
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  the steeple of the church.
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  So you have plenty of room there.
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  And then when that leaks, it'll drip right on your head.
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  Well, yeah, yeah, it might collapse like Notre Dame too.
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  You just get more Home Depot caulk to reseal it, just caulk it up.
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  Well, speaking of the French, as you said, you know, June is a boring
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  month when it comes to motorsports.
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  Because, you know, we got no racing happening in June,
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  nothing iconic whatsoever.
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  No, no, no.
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  Yeah, just, you know.
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  Totally terrible.
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  So let's talk about France.
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  Shall we?
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  Great country.
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  Love it.
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  101st anniversary, 92nd running of the 24 hours of Le Mans.
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  So what do we think?
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  Did you guys watch it?
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  I got to watch probably two or three hours of it.
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  I got to watch the start.
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  I got to watch about an hour of rain delay.
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  And then I got, and then I got to watch the final hour.
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  Oh man.
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  Okay.
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  So my viewing of Lamar was really broken up because we did the ACO viewing
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  party in Detroit at M1 concourse.
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  And so we watched it from start to dark European time.
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  So we got kicked off at 10 in the morning.
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  We ran until about 5 PM us time.
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  And so we got to watch the race.
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  There are big screens and we had a lot of things going on and we'll kind of
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  dive into that more as we go along here.
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  And then, you know, we had to take a break.
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  Kind of catch it a little bit later.
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  Then it was like, Oh, we got a dinner with these people.
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  This, that, and meanwhile, you're like, kind of, you know, staring
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  at your phone under the table, trying to keep track of positions
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  and the race and stuff like that.
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  But to your point, although it's not new, they implemented it last year, the new
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  safety car protocol, that first hour long, we were like, well, we're going to dinner
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  as they try to get the dog off the track.
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  And it took them like an hour with the reformation and the re gridding and all
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  this stuff that they're doing, which IMSA implemented a couple of years ago,
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  as we noted, when we went to Rolex.
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  On a track that's nine miles long and you've got three groups of safety cars
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  and all this NASCAR push to the front, we're going to get around these people
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  and get back on loop or whatever.
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  It was like, it's nuts.
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  It takes forever.
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  But that big rain delay in the middle of the night, David Middleton
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  and I were together for the race.
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  And that rain delay was insane because.
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  We both looked at each other and said, you know what?
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  It's time to go to bed.
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  It ended up being over four hours of safety car.
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  So can you imagine being behind a pace car doing, I don't know, they're trying
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  to push it in the rain, but let's just say they're doing 80 mile an hour
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  at night at Le Mans for four hours.
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  Put in every bronze driver on the planet.
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  And let them get all their seat time, at least that way they can't
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  damage the car when you go back green again, but four hours of rain delay.
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  I mean that really, really put a damper on the situation.
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  I think you just answered the question for me then because
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  it was strictly a rain delay.
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  It wasn't because of a big off or a big shunt or anything.
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  It was just a rain delay.
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  It started with one of the Cadillacs going off.
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  In the rain and then it just continued and the rain got worse and worse and worse.
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  So they just kept the safety car out.
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  But like I said, there was an hour safety car delay earlier that evening for a
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  dog that had wandered onto the track that they were trying to get a hold of.
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  And it was just like, okay, so we got five hours of safety car in
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  total, not including a lot of the other yellows that they had, but
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  it was like, Oh God, this is bad.
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  You know, you watch the replays from last year in the rain, and you're seeing
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  cars spinning off and doing this and doing that, and I'm like, okay, you
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  know, shit happens, but you guys have the most expensive rain tires on the
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  planet, and you want to tell me you can't get out there and turn laps?
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  I mean, what are they going to do, be like NASCAR next and just
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  park it if it starts raining?
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  Yeah, I don't know.
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  I was wondering the same thing.
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  It was like just having a rain delay.
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  I mean, was there lightning?
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  I mean, what's the context?
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  What is there more to the story?
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  Heavy rain, not even like a torrential downpour, but just heavy rain.
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  And they were like, all right, we're going to put everybody behind the pace car.
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  And because I slept through the safety part and we kind of set an alarm once we
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  heard that it was going to be hours of this, and they were tracking the radar.
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  I kept thinking to myself, In four hours on a track that long, I guess
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  the safety car has to come in for fuel.
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  How does that work?
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  So I missed all that.
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  Like, I'm wondering, like, if they had to switch safety cars and stuff.
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  So I, you know, I'll go back and not watch the replay.
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  They probably had a team of safety cars and they just, it was like a relay race.
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  They just passed the baton to the next car.
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  Had to be.
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  But let's talk about how Le Mans ended.
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  Well, first of all, I got a question.
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  Speaking of Ferraris, what happened to the 83, the yellow Ferrari?
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  It was in first place when I first saw it, it was like jockeying with,
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  with that in the Cadillac and then all of a sudden he's out of the race.
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  The Cadillac was just like weighed down.
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  Electrical gremlins.
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  So I had an electrical failure and that was the end of that.
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  So whether it was in the hybrid unit or in the system itself, it took the car
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  out, which brought the 50 and 51 car back into the fray, but it could have been
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  a Ferrari one, two, three had the other car, the yellow car stayed in, but instead
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  it was a good battle there for a while.
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  For a while, even Cadillac was in the mix for potentially being at the front.
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  Everybody had high hopes on the nine 63, but I keep saying it's a turd.
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  Yeah.
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  Porsche was no, would they come in fourth?
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  Yeah.
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  By the end they were in fourth, but there was only one.
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  The other Porsches were way further down and it's, it's
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  another bad hand for Penske.
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  But still I'm like, dude, this nine 63, I don't think it's
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  going to make it another year.
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  They got to replace this car.
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  People keep saying, Oh, it's so good in the rest of the
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  season, but it sucks at Le Mans.
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  So Ferrari one in three at the end, taking the podium first and third.
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  I thought that was pretty awesome with Toyota sandwiched in the middle.
• 15:46
  Toyota tried to make a push there towards the end, but again, it
• 15:49
  was beginning to rain again.
• 15:51
  It was pretty gross weather conditions compared to last year.
• 15:54
  They just didn't have it.
• 15:55
  It just wasn't there.
• 15:56
  You're missing one of the most important parts, or one of the most dramatic parts.
• 16:00
  That Peugeot put a wing on their car?
• 16:02
  The number, what was it, the number 50 Ferrari, almost practically
• 16:06
  coasted across the line.
• 16:07
  Yeah.
• 16:08
  Because he was so low on energy and fuel.
• 16:10
  And what was really annoying was, and we were getting the broadcast
• 16:14
  The, uh, the Euro sport feed directly from France and then also
• 16:17
  HBO Max was carrying the same feed.
• 16:19
  So we're sitting there and they kept showing the virtual energy tank.
• 16:23
  I'm like, I don't care.
• 16:24
  This is make believe numbers.
• 16:26
  Show me the gap.
• 16:27
  I want to know if Toyota is closing in on the Ferrari and we're going to
• 16:30
  have a situation where suddenly it's a second and a half behind and he's
• 16:33
  going to pass him in the last turn.
• 16:35
  Luckily that didn't happen, but I was like, Damn it.
• 16:37
  Show me some legitimate telemetry.
• 16:40
  That virtual energy thing is such garbage.
• 16:42
  Like, I can't stand it.
• 16:44
  Just get rid of it.
• 16:44
  It's the monster energy graph, the monster energy gauge, how much monsters on board.
• 16:51
  I was disappointed to hear that.
• 16:53
  Valentino Rossi didn't get to do much since his teammate wrecked the car.
• 16:58
  Yeah, I had really high hopes for Valentino as well.
• 17:01
  I was pretty excited.
• 17:02
  Now, granted the Beamer is not the fastest in GT3.
• 17:05
  Honors went again to everybody else but BMW.
• 17:10
  But, you know, same thing is true in, in hypercar BMW brought out their
• 17:14
  LMP one car and it was looking good.
• 17:17
  It was looking promising, especially in qualifying and all that kind of stuff.
• 17:20
  But then at the end of the day, Alpine ended up looking better than BMW.
• 17:25
  They were in the top five for the longest time.
• 17:27
  And then they suffered some issues with the car.
• 17:29
  And what happened to Lamborghini?
• 17:30
  Lamborghini didn't look good either.
• 17:32
  No, they were having some issues.
• 17:33
  They kept spinning the car off and stuff like that.
• 17:36
  But the iron links Lamborghini hypercar.
• 17:38
  Looks really cool.
• 17:41
  I'm really excited to have something else in the mix compared to maybe the Glicken
• 17:45
  Haases and the van wall from last year that really didn't belong in LMP one.
• 17:50
  That Lamborghini belongs there.
• 17:52
  And I think with some refinement, some evolution in that program,
• 17:56
  we're going to see Lamborghini closer to the top next year.
• 17:59
  I will say aesthetically, I was very.
• 18:02
  Happy to see the Toyota in black.
• 18:04
  Yeah, it looks really sharp.
• 18:06
  It looked like a, like a Knight Rider type.
• 18:08
  Okay, so what did you think of the BMW art car then?
• 18:11
  No, no.
• 18:12
  The Toyota in black and then of course the Ferrari in red.
• 18:15
  Just nice looking car.
• 18:16
  And the Ferrari in yellow too.
• 18:18
  I mean, ketchup or mustard, which, what's your pleasure?
• 18:20
  Of course.
• 18:20
  They all look good.
• 18:21
  So, Le Mans wasn't a total waste.
• 18:23
  It was a little ho hum compared to last year, but for every
• 18:27
  negative in the negative column, there were some positives, right?
• 18:30
  So, I'll bring up two that I think are especially important into
• 18:33
  going into next year's Le Mans.
• 18:34
  23 LMP1 cars started.
• 18:38
  That's the biggest field in LMP1 for years now.
• 18:43
  I mean, that was awesome to see all those manufacturers.
• 18:46
  You mean hypercar, GTP, whatever they're calling it.
• 18:49
  I'm gonna stick to LMP one.
• 18:50
  All right.
• 18:50
  They're hypercar.
• 18:51
  Now in, in prior years, the only cars I cared about, I mean, this is like two
• 18:55
  years ago when it was really just Toyota running against Toyota and then the
• 18:59
  Gibsons, all the, yeah, the rebellions.
• 19:02
  Yeah.
• 19:02
  I only cared about the GT three cars.
• 19:04
  Now I don't even know who's running in GT three.
• 19:06
  I only care about the hypercar.
• 19:08
  Now , glad you bring up GT three because that's the other positive.
• 19:11
  When you looked at the GT three field this year.
• 19:14
  You thought you were at an IMSA race.
• 19:15
  You had Corvette and Lamborghini and Ferrari and Porsche and BMW and Lexus,
• 19:22
  just to kind of name a few of the entrants in GT3 GT3 was looking at me.
• 19:26
  I was like, Lexus at Lamar since when, since right now.
• 19:31
  And that's exciting.
• 19:32
  And that's what we've been all hoping for when WEC and IMSA started
• 19:36
  to get closer and closer together.
• 19:37
  So those GT cars from IMSA are able to come over and compete at Le Mans.
• 19:42
  I think that's awesome.
• 19:43
  And now granted, Lexus didn't do great, but who cares?
• 19:46
  They were there.
• 19:47
  Yeah, exactly.
• 19:48
  And you had the BMWs there too.
• 19:49
  And it wasn't the M8 that's the size of a school bus.
• 19:52
  So I thought that was really cool.
• 19:54
  And so again, for every negative that this race was, it's a positive.
• 19:59
  Going into next year's race.
• 20:00
  So I'm really stoked for 2025 and more importantly about 2025.
• 20:06
  And we'll talk about this later.
• 20:07
  You got to double down next year.
• 20:08
  You've got Lamar and you have the Lamar classic.
• 20:12
  And we'll talk about that a little bit later.
• 20:14
  We also have the 24 hours of the Nürburgring, don't forget that.
• 20:16
  But we also did an activation for the newest and latest and
• 20:20
  greatest in the simulation world.
• 20:22
  It's the officially licensed product from the WEC.
• 20:25
  That's the governing body behind the series that Le Mans
• 20:28
  is part of and the ACO itself.
• 20:29
  We did an activation of Le Mans Ultimate.
• 20:32
  So we did a competition there with some really cool giveaways that William from
• 20:35
  Exotic Car Marketplace put together from the new Velari collection and from Tazio
• 20:39
  Magazine, which, so we had a lot of fun.
• 20:40
  We actually live streamed the whole activation.
• 20:42
  So if we could.
• 20:43
  Stop in and people would send us chats and we would respond back to them.
• 20:46
  William kept jumping in and doing these funny, like little commercials
• 20:49
  and give them play by plays and stuff.
• 20:51
  And we did a couple of shootouts.
• 20:52
  I mean, it was a lot of fun and it was cool that we had motion simulators there.
• 20:56
  We had stuff that people could divert themselves, you know, when we were
• 20:58
  waiting for safety cars or whatever.
• 21:01
  So that was a lot of fun.
• 21:02
  I really enjoyed it.
• 21:03
  You know, we put a lot of effort into researching.
• 21:06
  Lamont ultimate doing our own time trials, you know, the
• 21:08
  calibration, we tried to make it as enjoyable for people as possible.
• 21:11
  And we'd interview them as they came off the machines.
• 21:13
  They're like, wow, I've never done anything like this.
• 21:15
  This was really cool.
• 21:16
  You know, how do I get more into this?
• 21:18
  And mad props to David Milton and MIE racing for sponsoring
• 21:22
  that and putting it all together.
• 21:23
  And we look forward to doing more activations like that in the future.
• 21:26
  So pay attention to our calendar and to other things going on where
• 21:29
  Lamont's ultimate might be showing up.
• 21:31
  But that wasn't the only thing we did in the good old city of Detroit.
• 21:35
  We were in Motown running around.
• 21:37
  When we got there, we actually got together with another
• 21:40
  guest of the show, Jack Teeter.
• 21:42
  He's the great nephew of Ralph R.
• 21:45
  Teeter, the blind automotive engineer that created the cruise control,
• 21:48
  something that we take for granted in every everyday car these days.
• 21:52
  We were invited to the premiere of his film, Blind Logic.
• 21:56
  Which covers 134 years of history, starting from when Ralph Tito was
• 22:00
  born in the late 1800s up until when he died in his 90s and how
• 22:04
  things continued on from there.
• 22:05
  So really well done 90 minute film.
• 22:08
  If you missed it, or you missed any of the screenings that had
• 22:11
  happened up until the premiere.
• 22:12
  Have no fear.
• 22:13
  There will be a version coming out available that you'll be
• 22:15
  able to stream and check out.
• 22:17
  So Jack's still working on all those details.
• 22:19
  So I can't say too much more on that or like which service it's coming on,
• 22:22
  but it's definitely worth the watch.
• 22:23
  You're going to learn a lot.
• 22:24
  And I think it's a hidden gem in the automotive world.
• 22:27
  And it's a great story to understand like where this tool that we use every
• 22:30
  day in our cars came from the reasoning behind it and how it was designed and
• 22:35
  how long it took to get into production too, which was kind of mind boggling.
• 22:38
  Very, very cool.
• 22:39
  So blind logic.
• 22:40
  And then while we were there, we also met up with two time guests at the show.
• 22:44
  And little birdie's telling me maybe three time guests at the show here.
• 22:48
  Lynn St.
• 22:48
  James.
• 22:49
  We met up with her.
• 22:50
  We actually got her to sign one of her books as she's promised
• 22:53
  that she would do in the past.
• 22:55
  We had a great conversation with her and some interesting stuff going on there.
• 22:58
  Maybe some.
• 22:59
  Other stuff that we can do in conjunction with women in the future.
• 23:02
  So looking forward to seeing Lynn again in the fall, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
• 23:05
  And then we also got to sit down with evening with a legend and legends
• 23:11
  liaison of the ACO USA, Rick Newp.
• 23:13
  He won at Lamar.
• 23:15
  40 years ago in 1984 in a Kremer Porsche 935, very cool to hear his stories.
• 23:22
  He had been to Lamar one other time before that really nice guy.
• 23:26
  Looking forward to seeing Rick again later this year.
• 23:28
  So we got to sit down with other legends of Lamar.
• 23:30
  When we were at Detroit, we got to sit down with, you know, Indy
• 23:33
  500 rookie of the year, Lynn St.
• 23:34
  James, also Trans Am winner, all those kinds of things.
• 23:36
  Got to meet up with Jack Teeter.
• 23:38
  So we were busy.
• 23:38
  And then.
• 23:39
  That wasn't enough.
• 23:40
  We ran into guests of the show, Bill Warner, formerly of Amelia Island at
• 23:44
  the eyes on design, Concord, elegant at the Ford house there on the lake
• 23:49
  gross point, Michigan, and which is the oldest state of Edsel Ford.
• 23:53
  And so they do a annual concourse there every year and it's based on car design.
• 23:58
  And this year actually featured a lot of the Italian greats, the Bertone's,
• 24:02
  the Pininfarina's, the Gandini's, the Giugiaro's and things like that.
• 24:06
  And what's cool about the Concord is.
• 24:08
  They pick the designers, they pick the types of cars to bring in and then
• 24:11
  owners bring their cars to the show.
• 24:13
  And there's one of each of a certain type of the designer in the category.
• 24:18
  And then they bring the cars up and they talk about them in a
• 24:19
  very pebble beach sort of way.
• 24:21
  So that was a lot of fun, took a ton of pictures.
• 24:23
  There's actually an article in the clubhouse website where you
• 24:25
  can check all that stuff out.
• 24:27
  But more importantly, it brings us to a.
• 24:29
  EV and concept car that we talked about in the past.
• 24:32
  One that we made fun of and I think Brad has changed his mind on.
• 24:35
  Do you guys remember the Cadillac Celestique?
• 24:38
  Yes, I've seen one in person.
• 24:39
  What did you think?
• 24:40
  Yeah, there are a few pretty high dollar electric cars roaming around
• 24:46
  and the Celestique is one of those.
• 24:48
  It's along with the Cybertruck and God knows how many of the
• 24:51
  Porsche, the Taycan and Rivians.
• 24:53
  I mean, you can't throw a stick without hitting a Rivian.
• 24:55
  I like it.
• 24:56
  It's smaller than I thought it was going to be though.
• 24:58
  Really?
• 24:59
  Cause I thought it looked bigger than I thought.
• 25:01
  But in the pictures, I thought it was like the size of a Suburban, but in person
• 25:05
  it's more the size of like a Suburban.
• 25:07
  It's no, it's like a Volvo V90 on steroids kind of thing.
• 25:13
  Size wise to me.
• 25:14
  Yeah.
• 25:15
  It's big.
• 25:15
  Big.
• 25:16
  So you know how they say when you like look at a dog, they say you can kind of
• 25:19
  judge how big it's gonna be when it gets older based on its paws when it's a puppy.
• 25:23
  Mm-Hmm.
• 25:23
  . Well, the paws on a Celeste, two 80 fives on 23 inch wheels and they look small.
• 25:30
  So it's deceiving how large it is.
• 25:31
  I took pictures of it from different angles and it was in sort of
• 25:34
  a, I'll call it a tomato color.
• 25:36
  A lot of black accents and this and that.
• 25:39
  So compared to the pictures, the pictures make it look like a yacht.
• 25:42
  So I get your point that it looked smaller in person, but compared to some
• 25:46
  of the stuff that was parked around it, I was like, dude, this thing is huge.
• 25:50
  Yeah.
• 25:50
  I saw it just by itself on the road and there wasn't much close to it.
• 25:55
  So I didn't really get it.
• 25:56
  To see it parked next to a Miata or anything like that.
• 25:59
  It is unique looking.
• 26:00
  I mean, if, if I was you and I saw it going down the road, it would stick
• 26:03
  out like a sore thumb because it is just that back three quarter angle.
• 26:08
  I'm still not sold.
• 26:10
  The front looks like any other Cadillac in some ways.
• 26:12
  The Citroen back end.
• 26:13
  For sure.
• 26:14
  And that's what kind of sets it apart from everything else.
• 26:16
  You're like, what the hell am I looking at?
• 26:17
  Exactly.
• 26:18
  Maybe that tomato red isn't the right color for it, which I don't think it is.
• 26:22
  The only photographs we've seen are of that kind of electric blue.
• 26:25
  I think all black though, murdered out.
• 26:27
  Ooh, that could be interesting.
• 26:29
  Or like a dark gray or something like that.
• 26:31
  But yeah, I don't know.
• 26:33
  Good on Cadillac, you know, whatever, you know, that's the end of our showcase.
• 26:37
  And we should probably get back to our regular ranting
• 26:40
  and regularly scheduled raving.
• 26:41
  So before we do that, I want to ask you guys, have you noticed the shift?
• 26:46
  Especially in the TV commercials lately, like I've noticed over this
• 26:49
  month, Ford and Mercedes, I noted the Ford one and it wrote the quote
• 26:53
  down, your choice, gas, electric, or hybrid, something for everyone.
• 26:58
  And I'm like, what in the heck is going on?
• 27:01
  I mean, nobody's buying cars, which leads us into our first article talking
• 27:06
  about Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche news.
• 27:09
  I thought we were all EB and the ID buzz and the this and that we're going
• 27:13
  to get rid of the everything and no two liter turbos and they're saying the
• 27:18
  same thing everybody's saying they're sort of doubling down on EVs they're
• 27:21
  all going back just kidding we're going to keep making combustion engines.
• 27:26
  Called it, right?
• 27:28
  So it didn't Volvo, one of the ones leading the charge.
• 27:32
  Yes.
• 27:32
  We're going to be all EV by 2023.
• 27:35
  Not really, but like all you'd be by 2030 or something like that.
• 27:38
  They spun off pole star and now they're just, they're letting pole star die
• 27:42
  because they didn't, they don't want to.
• 27:44
  to hitch their horse to that wagon anymore.
• 27:46
  And then the same, I think Jaguar said the same thing.
• 27:49
  They were going to be all EB.
• 27:50
  I think the municipalities and then the authorities are pulling
• 27:54
  back on it, realizing, Oh, maybe this isn't the solution.
• 27:58
  Maybe we're being dumb, a little too aggressive.
• 28:00
  A lot of things happen in the U S politically too.
• 28:03
  I mean, Obama instituted all those EPA rules and carb rules and cars
• 28:06
  had to be, had to meet a certain.
• 28:08
  Mile per gallon threshold across the industry.
• 28:11
  And you see, they were all in on the EBS and then Trump rolled some of that back.
• 28:15
  And then Biden is kind of floundering a little bit.
• 28:17
  I think you're onto something.
• 28:18
  I think they were chasing the dollar in the beginning because it was a fad
• 28:23
  for lack of a better way to put it.
• 28:24
  Ooh, Evie, I'm going to save the world.
• 28:26
  And you know, I think a lot of people.
• 28:28
  finally kind of woke up and said, we're making it worse because of the
• 28:31
  rare earth metals that are necessary to put these batteries together.
• 28:34
  The way we have to harvest them, Elon's plan of getting the lithium from
• 28:38
  Mars and bringing it back to earth.
• 28:40
  Isn't really panning out, you know, all that kind of crazy stuff that we've heard
• 28:43
  in the neural net and everything else.
• 28:45
  I said it a long time ago, hybrid is the answer, despite the death
• 28:50
  of the manual transmission.
• 28:51
  Although there's some rumors out there, Toyota was working on that too, right?
• 28:54
  Where you could have a manual and a hybrid and all those kinds of things.
• 28:57
  There's like three big factors and correct me if I'm wrong, the price
• 29:00
  of EVs, which makes sales down, range anxiety, which keeps sales down.
• 29:05
  And then this last part, which is the environmental impact of the EVs.
• 29:10
  That keeps sales down.
• 29:12
  I would almost replace range anxiety with charging infrastructure, period.
• 29:18
  Yes.
• 29:18
  And that is definitely in that swim lane.
• 29:20
  So too much, too fast, too little, too late.
• 29:24
  First of all, what are we going to do with all these EVs?
• 29:26
  How long are they going to go?
• 29:28
  What's the recycling plan?
• 29:29
  I don't think we have a definitive answer on those, but if we
• 29:32
  roll back and go to hybrids.
• 29:34
  Okay.
• 29:35
  We're getting it right.
• 29:37
  Not that it really matters to us, the layman, but how much
• 29:39
  money has these companies actually lost on this investment?
• 29:43
  You say it doesn't matter to us because we're the layman, but it
• 29:45
  does matter to us because they're not going to operate at a loss for long.
• 29:48
  They're going to pass down those costs for those losses by increasing their
• 29:52
  prices on the cars that are selling.
• 29:54
  Yeah.
• 29:55
  So we're, we're going to end up paying for it eventually, or
• 29:57
  they're going to get a government bailout, which is our money anyway.
• 29:59
  So one way or another, we're going to pay for it.
• 30:02
  To your point, it seems like you say they're doubling down that it seems
• 30:06
  like it's just a rehashing of what happened in the late nineties, early
• 30:11
  two thousands with the gas crisis.
• 30:14
  I guess it was around the, the Iraq war and then everybody was making hybrids.
• 30:18
  There were hybrid everything's there was a hybrid Tahoe.
• 30:20
  Oh, that was a big seller.
• 30:22
  That was a piece of crap.
• 30:23
  And they made all these small cars because the gas was so expensive, but
• 30:26
  then gas prices started coming down.
• 30:28
  People stopped buying them because ultimately we want.
• 30:32
  What's the right answer then?
• 30:33
  Is it keep the gas prices high to force you to buy a hybrid now,
• 30:37
  but then again, the price of the vehicles are insane because as you
• 30:41
  know, being on the money side of the house, the price of things go up.
• 30:45
  They never really come back down unless we're clearancing and getting rid of
• 30:48
  something, or it's extremely cheaply made.
• 30:50
  The price of a new car now is 50, 000.
• 30:54
  Let's just say the average.
• 30:55
  Entry level, whatever Impala we're talking 50 grand.
• 30:59
  I mean, that's insane.
• 31:00
  Which is why a car loan is seven, eight years now because the income levels have
• 31:04
  not increased with the, at the same level that what a mess you can get cars for
• 31:08
  less than 50, 000, the caveat is, yeah.
• 31:11
  The car any of us would want is not going to be something that's less than 20, 000.
• 31:17
  You can get a car that's basic transportation, 23,
• 31:20
  000, 20, 000, whatever.
• 31:22
  And people are going to be fine with that.
• 31:24
  They do exist, right?
• 31:25
  There's Chevy's, there's Kia's, there's whatever's, but an enthusiast
• 31:29
  isn't going to want that car.
• 31:31
  And that means they're starting at at least high thirties into forties.
• 31:35
  Yeah.
• 31:35
  Whereas.
• 31:36
  10, 15, 20 years ago, you were starting at least in the
• 31:40
  twenties for a GTI or something.
• 31:43
  Yeah.
• 31:43
  To Tanya's point, we are the minority, like the, the enthusiast market.
• 31:47
  I mean, you see it with everything, you know, when it comes to cars, like the
• 31:50
  enthusiasts, we're the loudest ones.
• 31:52
  Yes.
• 31:52
  We need a manual coupe.
• 31:53
  We need a Toyota super to come back.
• 31:55
  We need the Nissan 350 Z to come back and we're going to buy it.
• 31:58
  You just make it and we'll buy it.
• 32:00
  And then they sit on dealer lots and then they don't sell any of them because the
• 32:03
  enthusiasts, we like to talk shit, but we all already have the cars that we want.
• 32:07
  So we're not buying a majority of people aren't buying those types of cars.
• 32:11
  I would agree with that to an extent but if they made the cars palatable and
• 32:16
  I continue to argue that the 400z Is in that category, especially with nissan
• 32:21
  basically having a fire sale on everything including the ultimas to get him off
• 32:25
  the lot That car is worth fifty thousand dollars all day You Is it a 90, 000 car?
• 32:31
  Like the Corvette suddenly became no, but at 50, 000, you can have a sports coupe, a
• 32:37
  grand tour, whatever you want to call it.
• 32:39
  It's good value for money, but nobody's looking at Nissan right now, but I'm
• 32:42
  going to put a pin in that because to your exact point, Brad and Tanya
• 32:46
  talking about the price of cars and what we want as enthusiasts, the GTI has a
• 32:51
  cult following, but more so than that.
• 32:54
  A lot of people buy GTIs.
• 32:56
  I don't even know if you can buy a base level Golf anymore.
• 33:00
  Here's a better example.
• 33:01
  Toyota Corolla hatchback.
• 33:03
  You can get one for 22 grand.
• 33:05
  That's not the one that you should want because the one you should want is
• 33:09
  starting in the high 30s for the same car.
• 33:12
  Granted for power blah blah blah, but it's the one you want.
• 33:15
  So you're probably by the time you're done looking at a 40, 000 Corolla.
• 33:20
  Let me blow your mind here for a second.
• 33:22
  So according to British sources, the GTI Mark Eight and a half because the mark
• 33:28
  nine isn't here yet and we're doing these half things now Seven and a half and
• 33:31
  eight and a half and whatever so the mark eight and a half is coming Would you all
• 33:34
  venture a guess let's play what should I buy for a second little price is right?
• 33:37
  How much is the new gti going to cost?
• 33:40
  Uh, so it's dsg because they don't make manual anymore.
• 33:44
  It's four doors four doors only front wheel drive And it still
• 33:48
  doesn't make 300 horsepower.
• 33:49
  But see, the Golf R is 40 plus.
• 33:51
  So I would say the base GTI is probably 32, 33.
• 33:56
  According to British sources, 40, 000 British pounds sterling.
• 34:00
  Do you want to know how much that translates to in U.
• 34:02
  S.
• 34:02
  dollars?
• 34:02
  More than that.
• 34:03
  45 or something like that.
• 34:04
  At 27 percent uplift, we're at 50, 800 U.
• 34:10
  S.
• 34:10
  dollars for base GTI.
• 34:13
  And there's a moment of silence there and I'm looking at Brad's face because
• 34:16
  now he's running the numbers, you know, can you imagine 50 grand for a GTI
• 34:22
  in 2001 granted, you know, I'm going to date myself here and it's just,
• 34:26
  this is just the way inflation works.
• 34:27
  But in 2001, I bought a brand new 2001 Volkswagen GTI 1.
• 34:33
  80.
• 34:33
  I splurged a little.
• 34:34
  It had cloth interior, but I got the manual and I got this 17 inch wheels
• 34:39
  that nobody had seen before because they weren't available in the car yet.
• 34:42
  It's a 17 inch wheels and the monsoon sound system.
• 34:45
  And that car was 20, 000 on the road.
• 34:48
  Tax tags, title, everything.
• 34:50
  We're 23 years into the future now.
• 34:52
  What is 20, 000 today's dollars?
• 34:55
  We got to go back from that.
• 34:56
  So 40, 000.
• 34:58
  You said 50, we'll call it $50,000 in US dollars, which I do not
• 35:01
  believe that I'm flabbergasted.
• 35:03
  $50,000 in US dollars.
• 35:04
  What does that equate to in 2001, you're basically buying a
• 35:08
  Mercedes S class, I would think.
• 35:09
  Alright, so the inflation calculator online says $20,000 in the year
• 35:15
  2000 in today's dollars 2024.
• 35:19
  36, 477.
• 35:20
  25.
• 35:21
  That makes sense.
• 35:23
  But 50, 000.
• 35:25
  Well, I think the British people have their numbers wrong.
• 35:28
  I think they're wrong.
• 35:29
  40, 000 for a base GTI?
• 35:32
  That's really bad.
• 35:33
  Right now on Volkswagen's website, a Golf GTI.
• 35:36
  Build your Golf GTI.
• 35:37
  Starting MSRP, 31, 965.
• 35:41
  Starting!
• 35:41
  241 horsepower, 273 foot pounds of torque, Speed manual or
• 35:47
  a seven speed automatic dsg.
• 35:49
  So you're saying there's gonna be a nine thousand dollar price jump
• 35:53
  from the current car to the new car.
• 35:56
  That's fucking absurd.
• 35:57
  There's no way.
• 35:58
  Do not believe.
• 35:59
  Does not compute.
• 36:00
  And now I've gone down a rabbit hole to build my gti.
• 36:02
  What are these trims?
• 36:04
  There's the s.
• 36:05
  That's the starting one at 31.
• 36:08
  965.
• 36:08
  There's the 380s.
• 36:10
  Then there's the SE.
• 36:11
  Then there's the 380 SE.
• 36:13
  There's the Autobahn and the 380 Autobahn trim.
• 36:17
  What happened to the trim levels?
• 36:21
  That's like Audi with the prestige and the premier and the blah, blah, blah.
• 36:25
  What the hell is 380 380?
• 36:28
  Not 380 horsepower, that's for sure.
• 36:30
  Because that would have been cool if it was.
• 36:32
  Yeah, no kidding.
• 36:32
  So click on that last one, because I'm sure the last one
• 36:35
  is the most expensive one.
• 36:36
  What does that jump you to?
• 36:37
  So the 380 Autobahn is 40, 000.
• 36:40
  Boom, we're already there.
• 36:41
  It's only 300 more than the regular Audubon.
• 36:46
  What do you use the comparison on the site for the models?
• 36:50
  So you get a black painted roof and side mirror caps on the 380
• 36:54
  both with nine inch alloy wheels.
• 36:56
  You've got the 12 way adjustable seat, climatronic, vented seats,
• 37:00
  heated first and second row light assist high beam heads up.
• 37:02
  So the only difference there.
• 37:04
  So you're paying the extra 300 plus for the black painted
• 37:07
  roof and side mirror cap.
• 37:08
  That's the 380.
• 37:11
  This package is 380 more.
• 37:15
  You're right.
• 37:15
  Yeah.
• 37:17
  Oh, shit.
• 37:17
  Sorry.
• 37:18
  I'm getting my mind blown here.
• 37:21
  It only has 240 horsepower.
• 37:23
  Yeah.
• 37:24
  You said that before.
• 37:25
  No, but this is the three 80 Autobahn.
• 37:27
  Yes.
• 37:28
  It's still only has that much.
• 37:31
  What?
• 37:32
  But then a thousand dollars in a chip and a tune, and you're looking at 375
• 37:36
  foot pounds and almost 300 horsepower.
• 37:39
  Yeah.
• 37:39
  But 20 years ago, you could guess.
• 37:42
  I have one.
• 37:43
  I have a 250 horsepower GTI, which also weighs a ton too, with all the driving
• 37:49
  or anything, but that's not the point.
• 37:49
  It's not that much.
• 37:51
  3, 500 pounds.
• 37:52
  That's a lot.
• 37:52
  It weighs 3, 100 pounds.
• 37:55
  Lies.
• 37:56
  Curb weight.
• 37:57
  Lies.
• 37:58
  Lies.
• 37:59
  That's dry weight.
• 37:59
  Then you add fuel and you add oil.
• 38:01
  3, 100 pounds.
• 38:02
  There's no way unless they're making them out of tin foil that
• 38:05
  that thing weighs 3, 100 pounds.
• 38:07
  The Mark fours weighed 3, 000 pounds.
• 38:10
  They must be getting body panels from Honda.
• 38:11
  Gotta be like they're acid dipped and that's just it.
• 38:14
  And it weighs.
• 38:15
  4, 500 pounds now, and it's as slow as your 2001 1.
• 38:18
  8 turbo.
• 38:20
  Whatever.
• 38:20
  So then that begs the question to roll into the next article.
• 38:24
  How much is the GTI club sport cost?
• 38:26
  So they debuted that at the 24 hours of the Nürburgring, because
• 38:29
  again, nothing happens in June.
• 38:31
  You know, outside of the funky paint job that they have or wrap or whatever it
• 38:35
  is at the Nürburgring, here we go again.
• 38:38
  Okay.
• 38:38
  It's a Golf R.
• 38:40
  It makes 315 horsepower.
• 38:44
  So what?
• 38:44
  So does the current golf art?
• 38:45
  Like who cares?
• 38:46
  Like what's so special about the club sport other than the funky paint job?
• 38:49
  Like, I don't, I don't understand what's so important about it.
• 38:52
  Well, the previous club sport, the mark seven club sport.
• 38:55
  I don't think it had back seats.
• 38:56
  It had a roll bar and scaffolding in the back.
• 39:00
  It was front wheel drive only.
• 39:02
  I don't think the rear doors opened.
• 39:04
  It was designed to take racing kind of like the Hondas that we
• 39:08
  saw when we went to that SRO race.
• 39:10
  I think it was kind of in that vein, although you can only get it in Europe.
• 39:13
  To add another 10, 000 of insult to injury on top of, let's say what
• 39:18
  we've already been talking about, I wouldn't buy this, like, I don't care.
• 39:21
  I'll go buy a used.
• 39:22
  Golf R and put a chip on it and I'll have the same thing.
• 39:25
  If not better.
• 39:26
  See, this is the age old question.
• 39:27
  Do you buy something built from the factory already?
• 39:30
  Or do you buy the base model and put the money into it yourself?
• 39:34
  I mean, Jeep people and Camaro and Mustang guys talk about this all the time.
• 39:37
  Do I buy a ZL one or do I buy the base model?
• 39:41
  SS and put all the money into it to make it, you know, what I want,
• 39:44
  do I buy the Rubicon or do I buy the sport Wrangler, put the wheels,
• 39:49
  lockers and all that shit on it?
• 39:50
  I guess it all just depends on how mechanically inclined you are, if
• 39:55
  you know a good mechanic or if you feel like you could do it better
• 39:59
  than the factory and a lot of times.
• 40:01
  I'd rather just have it from the factory to that point because the
• 40:04
  scene, you know, air quotes around that the scene has changed in the last
• 40:08
  five years, especially where the EPA started to crack down on the tuners.
• 40:12
  It's getting harder and harder to get, let's say, the Volkswagen's and
• 40:15
  some of the Japanese cars chipped.
• 40:17
  You know, Volkswagen always had an open ECU, non encrypted, you know,
• 40:21
  there were plenty of tuners out there, APR, and, and you could suddenly, you
• 40:25
  know, turn up the wick on these things.
• 40:26
  And Volkswagen proper didn't really seem to care.
• 40:29
  They almost invited it from the third party from the aftermarket world.
• 40:32
  But, you know, the government's gotten in the way of doing that because
• 40:35
  obviously there's ways to defeat, you know, emission systems and a lot of
• 40:38
  other things by doing that kind of stuff to get more power out of these motors.
• 40:42
  It's been.
• 40:43
  I think it goes back to your point, Brad, where it's like, it's cheaper to
• 40:46
  buy it from the factory and you've got a warranty, you know, you're within the EPA
• 40:51
  specifications and all that kind of stuff.
• 40:52
  But I never thought I'd see the day.
• 40:54
  I read this headline like 10 times.
• 40:56
  The 9 11.
• 40:58
  It's gonna be a hybrid.
• 40:59
  Mean it's better than hearing all electric, but let that
• 41:02
  soak in like the nine 11.
• 41:04
  All the purists right now are probably keeled over vomiting
• 41:07
  into their shoes going.
• 41:08
  The nine 11 is never supposed to be.
• 41:13
  It's like, I don't know how I feel about it.
• 41:15
  But see, not all hybrids are created equal.
• 41:19
  There are hybrids they're designed to have the much smaller gas motor and rely
• 41:23
  on the battery power for fuel efficiency.
• 41:25
  But then there are the hybrids like the McLaren P1 and then the Ferrari LaFerrari.
• 41:31
  Or even the C8 Corvette.
• 41:33
  Yeah, the stingray is the e ray.
• 41:35
  Yeah.
• 41:35
  Those are hybrids of a different, they're not replacing the gas.
• 41:40
  They're complimenting, augmenting, supplementing with electric to
• 41:44
  get, squeeze out more performance.
• 41:46
  I don't have a problem with this.
• 41:48
  Well, I do, because I think there's a point of diminishing returns.
• 41:51
  You're trying to squeeze out all this performance by adding more weight.
• 41:55
  Because the batteries are not light, the hybrid system is
• 41:58
  not small, and it is not light.
• 42:00
  The 911, I remember when finally adopted all wheel drive into the 911s, it's
• 42:05
  like, okay, now we've added all that.
• 42:07
  Just get more performance out of the 911.
• 42:09
  The Porsches, especially the 911s, were kind of the Lotus principle.
• 42:13
  It's like, add lightness first.
• 42:15
  And now they've become heavier, they've become bigger.
• 42:17
  Are they trying to make the ultimate performance machine by going hybrid,
• 42:21
  or are they just trying to offer People in alternative fuel source.
• 42:25
  If this is like I read it and it's similar to the Corvette E Ray,
• 42:29
  it's 100 percent for performance.
• 42:31
  It's not for fuel economy.
• 42:32
  Yeah, it's, it's for performance.
• 42:34
  But you already have all wheel drive available in like the
• 42:37
  Turbo S and all those things.
• 42:38
  What's the hybrid really giving you other than electric all wheel drive?
• 42:42
  So you can maybe eliminate some of the drivetrain, but then you've got
• 42:45
  this funky Rear wheel drive bias, nine 11 with an electric upfront.
• 42:51
  I mean, it's, I don't know, to me because of the nine 11s configuration,
• 42:55
  any other car, you could kind of make it work, but the nine 11s, the nine
• 42:58
  11 to me, I don't know, it's just something's not right about this equation.
• 43:02
  It adds about 187 pounds.
• 43:05
  That's a lot to your point.
• 43:07
  What's the point of the hybrid Corvette?
• 43:09
  So the Corvette makes sense because.
• 43:12
  Mid engine all wheel drive is a very difficult thing to achieve.
• 43:17
  So if you look at how complicated a Lamborghini all wheel drive system is,
• 43:21
  you know, where the motor's sort of sitting on top of the transfer case
• 43:24
  and, you know, the shaft goes through the oil pan and all this kind of crazy
• 43:28
  stuff like they had in the old days.
• 43:29
  With the C8 being mid engine, adding the hybrid to the front wheels to give
• 43:34
  them four wheel drive makes sense.
• 43:36
  But the 911, basically being a backwards longitudinal front wheel
• 43:40
  drive with, you know, six reverse gears, it doesn't add anything.
• 43:44
  They already had all wheel drive available.
• 43:46
  They already designed the chassis to accept it.
• 43:48
  And to your point, it's heavier than the previous 911.
• 43:53
  So to me, it just doesn't add up.
• 43:54
  It almost feels like a gimmick.
• 43:56
  To say, well, we've got a hybrid two and then I love it because Corvette did
• 44:00
  it or because Ferrari did or whoever did it, but I don't think it works.
• 44:04
  I mean, it's no different than adding a turbo or it's just a
• 44:07
  different kind of power adder.
• 44:09
  They've done their market research.
• 44:11
  Somebody out there wants to buy one, so they're going to make one.
• 44:15
  They're just trying to make something for everybody.
• 44:16
  Talking about making something for everybody and staying on
• 44:19
  this theme of backpedaling.
• 44:20
  We need to talk about Stellantis.
• 44:23
  Just when you thought the Fiat 500 was dead, it's back with a gas engine.
• 44:28
  I don't really care.
• 44:29
  They kind of gave it the 500e look in the front and everything, and
• 44:33
  the wheels, and granted the shape of the 500 hasn't changed much.
• 44:36
  They updated the interior a little bit.
• 44:38
  I think it's cute, but I'm glad it's going back to gas.
• 44:40
  So when's the Abarth version coming?
• 44:42
  The Abarth will be a performance hybrid.
• 44:44
  See, see, see, that works.
• 44:46
  That makes sense.
• 44:47
  It'll still only make like 150 horsepower, though.
• 44:51
  Meanwhile, in Stellantis land, Brad, explain this to me.
• 44:55
  Everybody's going gaga over the Wagoneer S.
• 44:58
  Isn't this just the Grand Cherokee?
• 45:00
  Let's take a look.
• 45:02
  No, it's very reminiscent of the previous generation Durango to me.
• 45:05
  Which was a Grand Cherokee.
• 45:07
  Yeah, but this is still based on the Wagoneer flat.
• 45:12
  Okay, so what?
• 45:12
  What?
• 45:13
  I see it now.
• 45:14
  Okay, yeah, I see what you're saying.
• 45:15
  Now they're competing against themselves.
• 45:17
  Like, are they trying to make Wagoneer its own brand?
• 45:20
  This is a real revolutionary tactic they're doing here that Range
• 45:25
  Rover did about 15 years ago.
• 45:27
  Uh huh.
• 45:27
  They're giving it the Wagoneer name.
• 45:30
  Like Land Rover gave the Range Rover the Range Rover name, but it was the
• 45:34
  sport model built on the LR3 chassis.
• 45:37
  Ah, so this looks like the Wagoner Sport built on the, I
• 45:43
  guess the Grand Cherokee chassis.
• 45:46
  That's my theory.
• 45:47
  It's also an ev, well, there's the Grand Cherokee four XE as well.
• 45:51
  So that's no different.
• 45:52
  It's badge engineering.
• 45:54
  It's no different than ES line or.
• 45:57
  M sport or F sport or AMG sports AMG like somebody wants a Wagoneer,
• 46:04
  they can't afford a Wagoneer.
• 46:06
  So they buy a grand Cherokee with a Wagoneer badge, but it's got a Wang.
• 46:10
  Do you see that Wang?
• 46:11
  I see it.
• 46:12
  What do you think?
• 46:13
  Because if it didn't have the Wang, it would look like a Celestique.
• 46:18
  Yeah, that back end is wrong.
• 46:20
  It would have this, it would have the same angle as a Celestique.
• 46:24
  No, that wing is goofy though.
• 46:26
  They call it the R Wing.
• 46:27
  Okay, like it's Star Wars or something?
• 46:29
  Good job, Stellantis.
• 46:31
  Well, staying on the French theme, and since you brought up the Celestique again,
• 46:34
  and we're still talking about Stellantis, you can't say it any other way now.
• 46:38
  It's kind of like Integra, right?
• 46:39
  It's Stellantis.
• 46:41
  So, Citroën, my favorite French car company, part of the Styliantis group,
• 46:46
  is dropping its small cars and large cars to focus on profits, and that's
• 46:52
  in quotes, to focus on, so I said to myself, what in the hell does that mean?
• 46:56
  You got no cars equals no profit in my book, what the hell are they selling?
• 47:01
  They're going the way of Mitsubishi.
• 47:03
  So terrible, small, crossover SUVs then.
• 47:07
  I love this quote.
• 47:07
  The C5X won't be replaced because its segment is deemed non existent.
• 47:12
  We're making a cars for a segment that does not exist.
• 47:15
  Oh, this sounds like brilliance.
• 47:17
  I mean, at this point, just kill Citroen or rebadge something else.
• 47:21
  But this is pathetic.
• 47:22
  I mean, what is the point?
• 47:24
  But you know, hey, great job there guys.
• 47:26
  Excellent work.
• 47:27
  Keep it up.
• 47:28
  But you know, the DS is going to come back too.
• 47:30
  Just makes my skin crawl thinking about it.
• 47:34
  All right.
• 47:34
  Well, moving on with other domestic vehicles, Ford and
• 47:38
  Chevy have differing opinions.
• 47:40
  So we know what Ford says.
• 47:41
  What does Chevy say?
• 47:42
  The quote reads, Ford sees hybrids as a long term play, but rival General
• 47:47
  Motors says they're not the end game.
• 47:50
  Okay.
• 47:50
  So what is?
• 47:51
  Diesel Chevy's bringing us back to the tornado.
• 47:56
  We're going right back to like 1978.
• 47:59
  I mean, Chevy brought about the entire trucking industry and put the locomotive
• 48:04
  industry almost out of business, you know, with their deals and their
• 48:07
  trucks and everything like that.
• 48:08
  So they're doubling down on the diesels.
• 48:11
  We're going to get an Impala diesel and we'll call it the Toronado.
• 48:16
  I remember last year we did a whole GM showcase where we're like, what
• 48:20
  the hell are these guys doing?
• 48:21
  They're so far behind the curve.
• 48:23
  And now they're not even in agreement.
• 48:25
  Not that they're ever in agreement with Ford, right?
• 48:27
  They're always sort of at odds.
• 48:28
  But in this case, it's like, guys, you don't have very many options.
• 48:31
  If I read between the lines.
• 48:33
  Ford, and we saw their commercials this month, you know, there's a choice for
• 48:37
  everyone, gas, electric, or hybrid.
• 48:39
  Mercedes is doing the same thing.
• 48:40
  You've seen it with the black SUV, the white SUV, and the gray one, you know,
• 48:44
  pick your poison and all this stuff.
• 48:45
  But GM is basically saying, you know what guys, we're going to stick with
• 48:49
  the push rod V8 till the end of time.
• 48:52
  And that's that screw hybrids.
• 48:54
  And the bolt is playing the hokey pokey, as we know, one minute
• 48:57
  it's gone, it's on the death list and it's being resuscitated.
• 49:01
  And I mean, I just don't get it.
• 49:02
  Honestly, I know competition is good, but I really think the big three need
• 49:08
  to get their act together and figure out what the direction is going forward
• 49:13
  and start to lead rather than try to constantly catch up with everybody else.
• 49:17
  Which is a better run company, Tesla or General Motors?
• 49:23
  I think Tanya needs to answer that one.
• 49:25
  General Motors.
• 49:26
  General Motors is a better run company.
• 49:28
  They don't have an asshole, narcissistic, egomaniac.
• 49:31
  So if you remove Elon Musk, which is a better run company, I don't
• 49:39
  know what's their car sales.
• 49:40
  Well, apparently they sold 16, 425 EVs, which is down 20 percent because
• 49:45
  apparently the Bolt EV that they phased out made up 20 percent of their EV sales.
• 49:51
  That's a big hit.
• 49:52
  Well, there might be an answer for you.
• 49:54
  I feel like General Motors is doing what General Motors does.
• 49:57
  We've got this great new product.
• 50:00
  It's called the internal combustion engines.
• 50:08
  They're doubling down and they're going all in on hydrogen.
• 50:11
  I don't see that happening at General Motors either.
• 50:14
  Like I really think General Motors.
• 50:16
  Is taking the same approach I take at work sometimes if I stand still
• 50:21
  figuratively long enough while management is running around with their hair
• 50:26
  on fire, it'll all come full circle.
• 50:28
  And I don't have to do much.
• 50:30
  Right?
• 50:30
  And I think GM is doing the same thing.
• 50:32
  Literally waiting for the merry go round of Evie to stop.
• 50:36
  And then they're going to be like.
• 50:38
  Well, you fools got rid of your internal combustion engines.
• 50:42
  We've got the market corner.
• 50:43
  Well, there is a strategy that is last man standing.
• 50:47
  So their strategy could be the last person with the internal combustion engine.
• 50:52
  Who's their CEO?
• 50:53
  Barra.
• 50:54
  Mary Barra, maybe she's a genius and she's like, these fucking idiots in
• 50:58
  Congress can't figure this shit out.
• 51:00
  We're not going to do a goddamn thing.
• 51:02
  And when the dust settles, we're going to be right on top or
• 51:06
  General Motors is quiet quitting.
• 51:07
  You know, you heard about that phenomenon.
• 51:10
  They're quiet quitting.
• 51:11
  There's bowing out.
• 51:13
  There's like, you know what?
• 51:14
  There's another term too.
• 51:15
  What was it?
• 51:16
  It's something.
• 51:16
  Retirement retired in place.
• 51:18
  I don't remember.
• 51:19
  No, there's a new term I just heard the other day, something like with retirement.
• 51:23
  General Motors is the equivalent of the employee that sits at their computer
• 51:27
  and moves their mouse every 10 minutes.
• 51:29
  So it looks like they're active, but they're not
• 51:31
  actually doing a fucking thing.
• 51:34
  I think that's why Matt always used to call them general morons.
• 51:38
  You know, it's a gross generalization for General Motors, but it is very
• 51:42
  strange what's going on over there.
• 51:45
  That's for Because what's going on is nothing.
• 51:47
  The lights aren't on, but let's all run out and get an Impala, shall we?
• 51:51
  Speaking about running out and buying new cars, which is not at
• 51:54
  the front of everybody's list.
• 51:56
  Last time we got together, we talked about the Maverick and how
• 52:00
  there's just none available and people want to test drive them.
• 52:03
  So you can go down to your local U Haul for 20 bucks and try one out.
• 52:07
  Now they're saying the Maverick is going to be coming with
• 52:10
  all wheel drive and a hybrid.
• 52:11
  So, let's head on down to U Haul and test one out!
• 52:14
  You know what?
• 52:15
  I like the Maverick.
• 52:16
  I would never own one, because it's not, I'm not the market.
• 52:19
  But for companies like Napa, and like these small delivery people that,
• 52:23
  they don't need a full size truck.
• 52:24
  Get a Maverick and just put around town dropping off parts and doing
• 52:27
  your little deliveries and shit.
• 52:29
  I think it's perfect for that.
• 52:30
  I think civilian Mavericks are silly.
• 52:32
  The Ford Transit was perfect for that.
• 52:34
  I don't know about the Maverick.
• 52:35
  Well true, because you could get a 10 foot tall Transit.
• 52:39
  Well, you can also do your deliveries in the rain and not
• 52:42
  have all your stuff get wet.
• 52:43
  That's true.
• 52:44
  That's true.
• 52:44
  I stand corrected.
• 52:45
  The Maverick is perfect for everybody that made a mistake buying the Ranger
• 52:51
  and the folks that don't want the new F 150, which is the size of the Cybertruck.
• 52:55
  But still need to move mulch.
• 52:57
  Right, exactly.
• 52:58
  I think the Maverick is a good size because it's the size
• 53:01
  of what the F 150 used to be.
• 53:04
  It's a reasonably sized truck.
• 53:05
  I think it's easier to maneuver, especially in the city.
• 53:08
  If you want to drive a truck, it's easier to park.
• 53:10
  Yes, it's got a shorter bed, but it's four door.
• 53:12
  It sort of checks all the boxes.
• 53:14
  The problem is they can't keep up with demand for the Maverick and hence
• 53:18
  going down to U Haul to test drive one.
• 53:20
  I like it.
• 53:21
  I like the way it looks.
• 53:22
  Like if I needed a truck and I didn't need to tow, see, that's always the thing.
• 53:26
  They're not going to give the Maverick enough chutzpah to do
• 53:30
  what we really want it to do.
• 53:32
  Well, that's not what it's for, but the old F 150 of that size you
• 53:37
  could tow with because it had a V8 or it had this or it had that.
• 53:40
  I don't think the Maverick is body on frame either.
• 53:42
  I think it's a unibody, which contributes to that as well.
• 53:46
  Yeah.
• 53:46
  So it's not designed for that type of work.
• 53:50
  But still better than the Ranger though.
• 53:52
  I mean, if you gave me a choice between the two, I'd pick
• 53:54
  the Maverick all day long.
• 53:55
  I just think it's better looking than the Ranger.
• 53:57
  And the Ranger, unfortunately, it suffered from legacy problems where
• 54:01
  the old Ranger was a four cylinder.
• 54:03
  So they said, you know what, we're going to put the focus slash Mustang
• 54:06
  motor in the Ranger and then, you know, D cam it and all that other stuff.
• 54:09
  And it's like, dude, that's pathetic.
• 54:10
  The thing is heavy.
• 54:11
  It's big.
• 54:12
  And it can't get out of its own way.
• 54:13
  I went and tester of one when they debuted, I went with Tanya to a
• 54:17
  thing in Texas where they had them and they had like a little test of
• 54:19
  it and course and go off road with them and all this kind of stuff.
• 54:22
  And I was like, yeah, it's great.
• 54:24
  It's wonderful.
• 54:24
  It drives awesome.
• 54:25
  Except for the fact that it's a four cylinder turbo.
• 54:28
  And I'm like, no, thanks.
• 54:29
  Good job, Ford.
• 54:30
  Still better than Chevy.
• 54:31
  I mean, they're competing with themselves.
• 54:33
  A hundred percent.
• 54:33
  I don't know why.
• 54:34
  Not something I would buy, but good on them.
• 54:36
  Well, this next one, as we move into Japanese domestic news,
• 54:40
  is anybody surprised by this?
• 54:42
  You said it earlier about how we were begging for cars like the Supra.
• 54:45
  Well, guess what?
• 54:46
  By 2026, The Supra will be gone.
• 54:48
  Is anybody surprised?
• 54:50
  Do you see any?
• 54:51
  No!
• 54:51
  I see one every once in a while.
• 54:53
  I'm a little sad.
• 54:55
  But again, I'm not in the place in my life where I could buy one.
• 54:58
  Also, I'm not in the size of my life where I could fit in one.
• 55:01
  So it's just, it's a car that was cool to build and I'm glad that they built it.
• 55:05
  But it's not something I would ever be able to own.
• 55:07
  And I agree with some of the comments about the Supra.
• 55:10
  Because I said it from day one and I still call it the Zupra because as we
• 55:15
  know as enthusiasts, it's a BMW underneath and I hear all the justification about
• 55:19
  how Toyota retooled the engine and it's not actually the stock BMW straight six
• 55:25
  and it's not this and it's not that and the Toyota had its hands all over the
• 55:28
  car blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
• 55:30
  Okay, great.
• 55:31
  But you know what?
• 55:32
  I think Toyota missed the mark.
• 55:34
  It's not a Supra.
• 55:36
  It's not a 2JZ.
• 55:37
  It doesn't have any relationship with the fourth gen car.
• 55:41
  Toyota could have made this.
• 55:42
  They could have borrowed from Lexus and said, we're going to build a Supra
• 55:47
  and we're not going to build a tank.
• 55:48
  That they have over at Lexus, but they could have built something awesome.
• 55:51
  They could have built something with a Lexus V8 and it could have been a
• 55:54
  monster and people would have gone.
• 55:56
  Hell yeah.
• 55:57
  And okay.
• 55:58
  Put the gazoo racing badge on it and maybe it costs a little bit more, but it could
• 56:01
  have been a hundred percent pure Toyota.
• 56:03
  When I look at this, it doesn't even look.
• 56:06
  Japanese.
• 56:07
  It looks German.
• 56:09
  How much more can it cost in 46, 000?
• 56:12
  That's pretty cheap.
• 56:13
  The Lexi are, what, 70, 000, 80, 000?
• 56:16
  I mean, they could have gone up a little bit.
• 56:17
  It could have been a 55, 000, 60, 000 car.
• 56:20
  It needed to have the Lexus badge then at that price.
• 56:23
  I feel like this should have been like the RC F.
• 56:27
  Yeah, they should have rebadged the RCF, changed the looks a little
• 56:30
  bit, and it made it a grand tour because the original Supra was big.
• 56:34
  It wasn't a sports car.
• 56:35
  It was, it was bigger.
• 56:36
  It was more of like a grand tour.
• 56:38
  That's what this car should have been.
• 56:40
  But because they built it in conjunction with BMW, who doesn't
• 56:43
  really make those types of cars or just not at that price point.
• 56:46
  Well, if BMW had done it that way, they would have built it upon the six series.
• 56:50
  That's exactly what I'm saying, which would have cost significantly more money.
• 56:54
  You could have just put the three cylinder in it.
• 56:56
  300 horsepower out of the Corolla or the Yaris.
• 56:58
  And not have it cost 70, 000.
• 57:00
  There is supposedly a four cylinder turbo version of the Supra.
• 57:03
  I've never seen one.
• 57:04
  I don't know anybody that bought one because apparently you could get a
• 57:07
  manual Supra with a four cylinder turbo.
• 57:10
  The 2024 comes either as a two liter four cylinder or three liter six cylinder.
• 57:14
  Both BMW powerplants because BMW makes a two liter turbo in the 320.
• 57:19
  Or whatever it is, that makes sense.
• 57:20
  But I think there's too much German DNA in the Supra right now.
• 57:25
  And I'm not sad to see it go.
• 57:27
  Granted I've coached one and I thought it was fabulous, but I
• 57:30
  got out of it and I was like, it's still a BMW despite the body panels.
• 57:34
  And with everything, to Tanya's point, that's going on at Toyota right now, this
• 57:38
  seems like they just missed the mark.
• 57:40
  They could have designed this car themselves.
• 57:42
  Take the BRZ and put a real motor in it.
• 57:45
  Instead of that thing that's in there that's underpowered
• 57:48
  for the size of the car.
• 57:49
  Because the BRZ is just basically a slightly smaller version of this.
• 57:54
  I rest my case.
• 57:55
  Well, Tanya, I guess it's time we switch gears and talk about EVs and concept cars.
• 58:00
  This time we seem to be loaded up with some French stuff.
• 58:03
  I think that's a coincidence since we've been talking about Le Mans.
• 58:08
  So what's on the docket here?
• 58:09
  Renault is coming out with some interesting EVs with an interesting
• 58:15
  partner for an interesting price.
• 58:17
  They're bringing back the Twingo.
• 58:20
  Yes.
• 58:21
  Yes.
• 58:22
  For under 20, 000 euros with the Chinese partner.
• 58:26
  Because VW backed out of the project.
• 58:28
  I like it.
• 58:29
  I like the original Twingo.
• 58:30
  It's so cute.
• 58:32
  This weird.
• 58:33
  Percentage gauge on the outside of the hood is interesting.
• 58:37
  I have a feeling this might be AI generated because it's like
• 58:40
  little weird things like that that just don't make sense But it says
• 58:45
  ev concept whatever that means.
• 58:46
  Yeah, I like it.
• 58:48
  It's got the happy little just accents and flavors and design language of the Twingo.
• 58:54
  I don't know if this is Renault's rendering or if somebody generated it on,
• 58:58
  you know, ChatGPT or something like that.
• 59:00
  But at the end of the day, I would enjoy seeing this on the road.
• 59:04
  I mean, again, I'm weird and I like the original Twingo.
• 59:07
  So this is cool to see something like this come in black.
• 59:10
  That's cool.
• 59:10
  But would you want that?
• 59:12
  Or would you rather have?
• 59:13
  Oh, yeah.
• 59:14
  An Alpine, A two 90 gt.
• 59:17
  Well, I mean, there's no question I want the Alpine A two 90.
• 59:19
  I want anything that says Alpine on the bonnet.
• 59:22
  This thing is the R five turbo reimagined and it is just fire.
• 59:28
  This thing is awesome and we're never gonna get one, unfortunately.
• 59:31
  Oh, of course not.
• 59:31
  I mean, we're never gonna get anything Rene over here.
• 59:34
  So they'll have to keep their single 217 horsepower electric motor.
• 59:38
  6.4 second zero to six two.
• 59:40
  Time a battery that lasts 203 6 miles.
• 59:43
  This is square body heaven right here, man.
• 59:45
  This is so cool.
• 59:47
  Sorry, I like little French hatchbacks.
• 59:49
  I think this is awesome.
• 59:50
  I've said it before, but it reminds me a lot of the Abarth.
• 59:54
  So just get an Abarth.
• 59:55
  Yes, you could buy a Fiat and have something similar.
• 59:58
  But if you're going for that R5 turbo look, this is it, man.
• 1:00:03
  I mean, yeah, it's pretty awesome.
• 1:00:05
  Now, granted, the hips are not nearly as wide as an original R5, but it has
• 1:00:10
  all the design language of the old car.
• 1:00:12
  And I think this is.
• 1:00:13
  Absolutely fantastic.
• 1:00:14
  And I think they also did a good job of sort of picking up on the Renault
• 1:00:18
  Williams Clio that came out after the R5.
• 1:00:21
  And so it has a little bit of that in it when I look at it, because
• 1:00:24
  again, it's slightly narrower and a little bit more upright.
• 1:00:27
  I mean, if you're a fan of those groupie homologation cars, And you're
• 1:00:31
  lucky enough to live in Europe.
• 1:00:33
  I would get one of these.
• 1:00:34
  I mean, granted I want an A one 10 GT as well.
• 1:00:37
  I would drive one of those every day.
• 1:00:39
  That's the throwback to the seventies.
• 1:00:41
  Alpine one 10 kinda looks like an out ETT.
• 1:00:44
  I think everything that Alpine is putting on the road or Alpine is putting on the
• 1:00:47
  road right now is really pretty cool.
• 1:00:50
  So for those of you in Europe, you're very fortunate.
• 1:00:52
  So, uh, enjoy just for my.
• 1:00:54
  Education.
• 1:00:55
  What is Alpine?
• 1:00:57
  Is it a standalone company?
• 1:00:58
  Is it a branch of Renault?
• 1:01:00
  Like what, what exactly is it Alpine?
• 1:01:03
  You have to think about it sort of like roof or any of those type of tuners.
• 1:01:07
  Okay.
• 1:01:07
  So they're now part of Renault.
• 1:01:10
  And so basically Renault has said, we're going to spin up our
• 1:01:13
  separate line of cars as Alpine.
• 1:01:15
  And then they'll go from there kind motorsport heritage.
• 1:01:19
  They were their own company.
• 1:01:20
  Our company back in the day, like they were their own mark.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  If you go back to the early, early, early times, but they were using
• 1:01:27
  Renault power plants and stuff.
• 1:01:29
  And then they became like a tuner after that.
• 1:01:31
  Right.
• 1:01:31
  And then it became like, it's like GR.
• 1:01:34
  Exactly.
• 1:01:35
  All good stuff though.
• 1:01:36
  I'll take it all day long.
• 1:01:37
  You know, we've been talking about buying new cars, Brad, if you had to buy a new
• 1:01:41
  car today, what color would you pick?
• 1:01:43
  Well, it depends on the car, but red really does depend on the
• 1:01:46
  body shape of a car because there are some cars like Mercedes that
• 1:01:50
  are atrocious when they're red.
• 1:01:54
  The majority of Mercedes look so bad in the color red.
• 1:01:58
  It would depend on the car.
• 1:01:59
  I would like something metallic ish.
• 1:02:04
  I know that it's boring, but like a pewter, not like a silver or
• 1:02:09
  something like that, but like a rich pewter that even changes color.
• 1:02:13
  light to dark in the, in the color, or I like the color I have, which
• 1:02:18
  is like this weird blue that changes between blue and gray, depending
• 1:02:22
  on the lighting conditions.
• 1:02:23
  Well, would you guys be surprised to know that all the colors you
• 1:02:26
  mentioned are basically on the way out?
• 1:02:29
  Yep.
• 1:02:29
  How do you replace gray?
• 1:02:31
  Well, according to a new study in vehicle color market share, Grayscale colors are
• 1:02:37
  in white, black, gray, and silver, but silver has seen a 52 percent reduction
• 1:02:44
  in cars being painted in silver over the last 20 years, from 2004 to 2023.
• 1:02:49
  So they're down to 9 percent of the cars on the road are silver anymore.
• 1:02:54
  Red is 7%.
• 1:02:56
  And then you got some bottom of the barrel colors after that green, orange, beige,
• 1:02:59
  brown, yellow, gold, all less than 1%.
• 1:03:04
  The majority of the cars on the road are white followed by black.
• 1:03:09
  There's not a huge color palette anymore.
• 1:03:12
  And I remember, especially, you know, in the old days where you were like excited
• 1:03:16
  to see what the new colors of the cars were going to be and what's Volkswagen
• 1:03:19
  coming out with and what colors are they carrying over and Porsche with
• 1:03:22
  all their M and M colors and Chrysler the same way with the Barracudas and
• 1:03:27
  the challengers and stuff like that.
• 1:03:28
  But nowadays it's like, wah, wah.
• 1:03:30
  I mean, for how many years was it, would you like your Accord in gold?
• 1:03:34
  Gold.
• 1:03:35
  Gold.
• 1:03:36
  Or gold.
• 1:03:36
  I would like to see this broken down further to color.
• 1:03:42
  By model because majority of the cars being sold, I would argue 80 percent of
• 1:03:47
  the cars being sold are going to be cars that only look good in gray scale, like
• 1:03:52
  your Camrys and your Corollas and your shit, Paula's and your Nissan Sentra
• 1:03:58
  or whatever, and things like that.
• 1:04:01
  But if you drill down further by model, I guarantee you 80 percent
• 1:04:05
  of Mustangs are not gray scale.
• 1:04:07
  Right.
• 1:04:07
  80 percent of Challengers are not grayscale.
• 1:04:11
  80 percent of Camaros, Corvettes, 911s.
• 1:04:14
  Majority of Ferraris are going to be red, right?
• 1:04:17
  I mean, that's sort of a given.
• 1:04:19
  The lower volume cars aren't grayscale.
• 1:04:21
  I think the numbers are skewed.
• 1:04:23
  Because of the models like that are being purchased.
• 1:04:26
  And I agree, especially with white, how many commercial
• 1:04:29
  vehicles are included in this?
• 1:04:31
  How many fleet vehicles?
• 1:04:32
  Yeah.
• 1:04:33
  Yeah.
• 1:04:33
  All the Ram vans that are sitting on the mall parking lot here where we live,
• 1:04:37
  there must be 200 of them right now.
• 1:04:39
  And they're all white.
• 1:04:40
  A lot of that, especially for like construction trucks and like blue collar
• 1:04:43
  vehicles, they'll get their wrap put on whatever color their marketing colors are.
• 1:04:48
  They'd start with a base, whatever the cheapest thing the dealer has on the
• 1:04:51
  lot, It's probably white if they're selling 80 percent of them, you know,
• 1:04:55
  they just slap on whatever, whatever their marketing colors are, you know,
• 1:04:58
  in their wrap because it's cheaper and then just go from there because then
• 1:05:02
  they can take that shit off and sell the vehicle when it's met its useful life.
• 1:05:06
  But I want to see these numbers based on model.
• 1:05:08
  Oh, but they do.
• 1:05:09
  They break it down.
• 1:05:10
  If you go.
• 1:05:11
  Down.
• 1:05:11
  They have a sports car, color market share breakdown, and the truck market too.
• 1:05:16
  And it's still gray, white, and black.
• 1:05:19
  However, then red is 22%, but that's down.
• 1:05:23
  So in 2004 was 22%.
• 1:05:25
  Now it's down to 14% and blue is right there with it.
• 1:05:28
  13.
• 1:05:28
  And then all the other colors are just like, I mean, they call
• 1:05:30
  it arrest me red for a reason.
• 1:05:32
  Right.
• 1:05:32
  I think less people want red.
• 1:05:34
  Who the fuck is buying gray sports cars?
• 1:05:37
  There's a lot of gray sports cars if you think about it.
• 1:05:39
  Those charcoal grays, those gunmetal grays, silvers and
• 1:05:43
  whatnot that they come in.
• 1:05:44
  There are no purple SUVs.
• 1:05:47
  Zero percent.
• 1:05:48
  Thank god.
• 1:05:50
  Zero percent gold sports cars.
• 1:05:53
  The color palettes are pretty boring.
• 1:05:55
  Why are they just saving money?
• 1:05:56
  I think so, and they're probably all using very similar paint,
• 1:05:59
  and they call it different names.
• 1:06:00
  Like, I remember it was a 944S2 in its last year.
• 1:06:05
  They had champagne, rose gold, metallic, and I looked at
• 1:06:08
  it and I'm like, it's pink.
• 1:06:09
  Like call it whatever you want it.
• 1:06:11
  It's metallic pink, you know?
• 1:06:12
  And then I think that came available on like the Cadillacs or something.
• 1:06:15
  Right.
• 1:06:15
  You're like, all right, you know, you're getting all your stuff from
• 1:06:18
  PPG or whoever it's coming from.
• 1:06:19
  I don't really care.
• 1:06:20
  We won't get into those details, but I think with the globalization,
• 1:06:24
  there's less paints available.
• 1:06:25
  They're all coming probably from one source, like the glasses
• 1:06:28
  coming from one or two places.
• 1:06:30
  You know, your dark blue Tesla might be the same color as a dark
• 1:06:33
  blue BMW at the end of the day.
• 1:06:35
  It's probably coming from the same can.
• 1:06:37
  I think this also kind of points to something we've seen over the
• 1:06:40
  automotive industry just as a whole over the last decade or two or three
• 1:06:45
  last generation or two is just the lack of art in automotive design.
• 1:06:50
  Colors play a lot into the arts of the vehicle.
• 1:06:53
  Where's all the fun?
• 1:06:54
  There's no fun in the design.
• 1:06:56
  There's no fun in the colors.
• 1:06:57
  I will say when I was at Eyes on Design though, every Ferrari, except for one,
• 1:07:02
  but all the other ones were black.
• 1:07:03
  They were sexy.
• 1:07:05
  Oh my God.
• 1:07:06
  Black Ferrari.
• 1:07:07
  That's nice.
• 1:07:08
  That's real nice.
• 1:07:09
  Real, real nice.
• 1:07:10
  So before we close out EVs and concept cars, did you guys hear the news?
• 1:07:14
  Did you hear about Fisker?
• 1:07:15
  Everybody's so excited about the ocean.
• 1:07:17
  They're going to make three more models, all this stuff.
• 1:07:19
  Hype, hype, hype, hype, hype, hype, hype.
• 1:07:21
  Bye.
• 1:07:21
  Bye bye.
• 1:07:22
  Fisker gonna Fisker?
• 1:07:24
  Fisker's gonna Fisker by declaring bankruptcy and they stopped making cars.
• 1:07:28
  How many times has Fisker filed for bankruptcy?
• 1:07:31
  It seems like every couple years they just file for bankruptcy, wipe
• 1:07:34
  out their debt, and then start over.
• 1:07:36
  They should just stop.
• 1:07:36
  And sadly, and ironically, I saw a brand new Fisker Ocean with temp
• 1:07:41
  tags while I was in Detroit, and I kept thinking to myself, I wonder
• 1:07:43
  how that's going to play out for you.
• 1:07:46
  That guy will be driving a Tesla next.
• 1:07:48
  Let's move on.
• 1:07:49
  Brad, it's your favorite section, Lost and Found, where we find the newest
• 1:07:53
  old supercar on dealership lots.
• 1:07:56
  Yeah.
• 1:07:57
  I actually wasn't going to do that this time.
• 1:07:59
  No, we can skip it.
• 1:08:03
  I feel like that segment's kind of beat.
• 1:08:05
  It was fun when we were talking about Chrysler 200s and Dodge
• 1:08:09
  Darts, you know, from 2016, they were still being sold in 2020.
• 1:08:13
  It's funny you bring that up because we might start having to do that again.
• 1:08:17
  Did you hear about the Fiat 500X?
• 1:08:19
  I think that's our new Dodge Dart.
• 1:08:21
  I did not hear about it.
• 1:08:22
  Fiat claims they have enough inventory of the discontinued Fiat
• 1:08:26
  500X to last through next year.
• 1:08:31
  So you're going to be sitting here going in 2028.
• 1:08:34
  So I got a brand new 2024 Fiat 500X for sale, 16, 000 available at Gray Chevrolet.
• 1:08:42
  I feel like that's optimistic.
• 1:08:43
  The actual number is they have enough to last them until Armageddon, because
• 1:08:49
  nobody's buying these fucking things.
• 1:08:51
  I don't know that I've ever seen one sold.
• 1:08:54
  And what did we say?
• 1:08:55
  Like the last time Fiat sold like 600 cars last year or something like that?
• 1:08:59
  I mean, it's pathetic.
• 1:09:01
  Didn't they sell a negative car one quarter or something like that?
• 1:09:04
  Who sold the negative car?
• 1:09:05
  Yeah, that was Chrysler.
• 1:09:06
  Yeah, negative one Chrysler 200s.
• 1:09:09
  I feel like this is going to be one of those situations.
• 1:09:12
  So let's do this.
• 1:09:13
  We'll put a pin in trying to find the newest old car dealership lots
• 1:09:17
  until the 500Xs start to appear.
• 1:09:19
  But there's some other things that we've discovered and lost and found.
• 1:09:22
  And you're a Volkswagen guy.
• 1:09:23
  So what do you think of this next one?
• 1:09:25
  Oh, I love it.
• 1:09:25
  This comes as no shock to me.
• 1:09:27
  Secret Volkswagen VR6, 463 horsepower and a Mark 6 and all
• 1:09:33
  this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:09:34
  Okay, great.
• 1:09:35
  This is literally, literally at the same time Volkswagen put out
• 1:09:40
  that W12 mid engine Mark 6 GTI that was on top gear that Jeremy
• 1:09:45
  Clarkson was hooning around in.
• 1:09:46
  So, To put a 400 horsepower VR6 in a GTI, that's not a stretch of the imagination.
• 1:09:53
  Why Volkswagen didn't want to produce something with, let's say only 300
• 1:09:57
  horsepower is beyond me because I've seen it time and time again, in a
• 1:10:01
  tuner space, people were taking the 3.
• 1:10:03
  6 liters out of the Cayennes and throwing them in golfs.
• 1:10:06
  I mean, it's doable.
• 1:10:07
  The factory could have done it if they wanted to.
• 1:10:09
  I love this car.
• 1:10:10
  And see, this is why I love Volkswagen.
• 1:10:12
  They're like playing a round of golf.
• 1:10:14
  Majority of the time it's complete shit.
• 1:10:17
  But every once in a while you'll hit a, a long drive straight down the fairway.
• 1:10:21
  Volkswagen will make a W 12 rear engine, all wheel drive GTI, with 500 horsepower.
• 1:10:28
  They'll make a VR six powered.
• 1:10:30
  What is this, a mark six.
• 1:10:32
  The motor didn't even come in the Mark 6.
• 1:10:34
  Hans and Franz were just sitting around the factory floor one day.
• 1:10:38
  They're like, what is that over there?
• 1:10:39
  That looks like a VR 6.
• 1:10:40
  What is that over there?
• 1:10:41
  Well, that Mark 6 needs a motor.
• 1:10:43
  And I was like, well, let's put them together and see what the fuck happens.
• 1:10:46
  Pretty much.
• 1:10:47
  And that'll be buried in a museum somewhere that no one
• 1:10:50
  will ever see as some prototype, you know, mule or whatever.
• 1:10:53
  Is the real travesty to me.
• 1:10:56
  It is, and maybe because they're backpedaling now, as we mentioned earlier,
• 1:10:59
  the whole EV movement inside a Volkswagen is what killed the VR6, because I think
• 1:11:05
  the VR6 would still be around today, and I was hoping to see, they got up to 3.
• 1:11:09
  6 liters, where's the 4 liter VR6?
• 1:11:12
  Yeah.
• 1:11:13
  A VR6 turbo from the factory?
• 1:11:15
  Sign me up.
• 1:11:15
  My goodness.
• 1:11:16
  I love that they listed out all the mods for the car because this
• 1:11:21
  gives me a blueprint for how to complete my car many years from now.
• 1:11:25
  With the Lamborghini wheels and all that stuff?
• 1:11:27
  Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 1:11:28
  RS6 brakes and Lamborghini wheels and a big old turbo.
• 1:11:31
  And this next one hit a little close to home for us.
• 1:11:34
  So the headline reads, Man's collection of old Alfa Romeos is forcibly
• 1:11:38
  scrapped after a battle with the city.
• 1:11:41
  Dozens of old Alfa Romeos landed in a Michigan scrapyard after a
• 1:11:44
  mechanic claims the city forced him to junk his parts collection.
• 1:11:48
  This is where I feel people with too much time on their hands and
• 1:11:54
  a little taste of authority think that they can come in and just tell
• 1:11:58
  somebody what to do with their shit.
• 1:11:59
  Who is this guy hurting with his 2000 Alfas?
• 1:12:03
  It's not like they were on the mountain, you know, in the middle of the front lawn.
• 1:12:06
  These were in a parking lot at a U S auto supply.
• 1:12:11
  And the guy, I guess either shares the lot with them or whatever, but
• 1:12:13
  he runs an Alfa Romeo specialty shop.
• 1:12:16
  So he's got to have parts cars.
• 1:12:17
  He's got to be able to harvest from them to service the
• 1:12:20
  other ones that are running.
• 1:12:21
  And I'm, I mean, I look at these pictures and I'm like, it just looks
• 1:12:23
  like a car lot with Alfa Romeos in them.
• 1:12:26
  Like Big deal.
• 1:12:27
  And there's some fencing up.
• 1:12:28
  So to your point, who's he bothering?
• 1:12:30
  So here's what happened.
• 1:12:31
  What happened was?
• 1:12:33
  This is my running theory.
• 1:12:34
  He didn't own the land that the cars were parked on.
• 1:12:37
  It was probably leased.
• 1:12:38
  And the owner of the land was selling the land for a profit to a developer
• 1:12:44
  who's going to come in and build townhouses because we need more housing.
• 1:12:47
  And so the developer was like, well, you got to get this shit off
• 1:12:50
  my land so I can start building.
• 1:12:52
  That's our theory.
• 1:12:53
  I guarantee it has something to do with money.
• 1:12:55
  Yeah.
• 1:12:56
  Money is exchanging hands at some level.
• 1:12:59
  And his stuff is in the way.
• 1:13:00
  I don't know if you've been to Montgomery County.
• 1:13:03
  They did all that development and everything in Montgomery County, Maryland.
• 1:13:06
  And there was the guy who owned the old cider barrel house or
• 1:13:09
  whatever, the cider barrel.
• 1:13:11
  All the land around it was sold.
• 1:13:13
  That person refused to sell.
• 1:13:15
  So they built a huge development.
• 1:13:17
  around him, but it was sitting there on the corner at three 55 and now he,
• 1:13:21
  he didn't get any business or whatever.
• 1:13:23
  And you know, I don't even remember.
• 1:13:24
  Wow.
• 1:13:24
  This money is exchanging hands.
• 1:13:26
  Somebody needed that land for something.
• 1:13:28
  And this guy got fucked.
• 1:13:30
  Well, speaking of that, I guess we would be remiss.
• 1:13:34
  We didn't talk about Tesla.
• 1:13:38
  Oh, didn't we talk about him enough already?
• 1:13:41
  I love how it's all inclusive.
• 1:13:43
  It's the car, it's the man, it's the company just all rolled up into one.
• 1:13:48
  There you go.
• 1:13:49
  There's their new slogan, the car, the man, the company, Musk.
• 1:13:53
  They should just drop Tesla.
• 1:13:55
  They should just be Musk.
• 1:13:57
  Are you driving your God?
• 1:13:59
  I can't even say, are you driving your musk?
• 1:14:02
  Yes.
• 1:14:02
  I've got my musk riding in my musk.
• 1:14:06
  What was the name of that perfume in Anchorman where you like Jaguar
• 1:14:12
  bottle and you would open it up and it would like, smell like hell.
• 1:14:15
  Like that's exactly what I'm thinking here.
• 1:14:17
  Sex Panther.
• 1:14:18
  Was that what it was?
• 1:14:19
  Musk.
• 1:14:22
  I wonder if we're going to look back in 20 years, 30 years when we're all relaxing
• 1:14:28
  on our lazy boys and we're doing drive thru number 537 and we're going to look
• 1:14:33
  back and say, do you remember that Bernie Madoff level Ponzi scheme that was Tesla?
• 1:14:37
  Which one?
• 1:14:38
  Which, which story?
• 1:14:40
  What specifically?
• 1:14:41
  I think we have about six of them in our lineup right here.
• 1:14:44
  Yeah.
• 1:14:45
  Is anybody surprised again?
• 1:14:49
  And there's been other reports around this too about that they fluff their
• 1:14:52
  range and the base case yada yada.
• 1:14:56
  Elon Musk is a fluffer.
• 1:15:00
  The latest one here is that the batteries only deliver 64 percent
• 1:15:06
  of the EPA range after three years.
• 1:15:09
  Wow.
• 1:15:09
  They're on the same mandatory obsolescence or mandatory upgrade that like Apple
• 1:15:14
  phones and Samsung phones are on.
• 1:15:16
  It's called battery technology where you use a product with a
• 1:15:20
  battery, the batteries degrade over time and you have to replace them.
• 1:15:24
  Do they swell?
• 1:15:24
  You know how the apples like tend to swell.
• 1:15:26
  Cause that'd be really bad.
• 1:15:28
  Oh, they just combust.
• 1:15:29
  The title is somewhat misleading because you have to look at the data and the
• 1:15:35
  graph shows them all not starting at a hundred percent battery life.
• 1:15:41
  So they're really, they're not degrading almost 40%.
• 1:15:44
  They're really only.
• 1:15:45
  degrading 10 to 15%, which is still seems like a lot in three years when
• 1:15:51
  apparently Tesla claims that you'd still have 70 percent of original health after
• 1:15:56
  eight years or a hundred thousand miles.
• 1:15:58
  So why are they not starting at a hundred?
• 1:16:00
  So that is a problem even with other smaller scale rechargeable batteries.
• 1:16:05
  You get a hundred percent charge the first time, and then they get this
• 1:16:09
  weird, I guess, recharge memory or muscle memory kind of thing going on.
• 1:16:14
  And they can only really charge up to like 80 percent of their original
• 1:16:17
  charge capacity or something.
• 1:16:19
  And then they do start to sort of fall apart after that.
• 1:16:21
  So you can translate the consumer batteries and upscale them to the car.
• 1:16:25
  So that sort of makes sense.
• 1:16:26
  Even in your phone on the Apple side of the house, there's some
• 1:16:30
  gaming going on there too, where.
• 1:16:32
  100 percent is really 80%, you know, or whatever it is that it's
• 1:16:35
  charging up to and it goes from there, but we can put a pin in that.
• 1:16:38
  What's interesting about this article is it's a bit of a fish
• 1:16:41
  hook in the sense that it's bringing you in because, oh, here's some
• 1:16:44
  more Tesla stuff, but it actually applies to all the across the board.
• 1:16:48
  Yeah, it's, this isn't a Tesla specific issue.
• 1:16:51
  It's battery issue.
• 1:16:52
  No, no, no.
• 1:16:52
  This is an EV industry problem.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah.
• 1:16:54
  And they use the Tesla's as an example because there's a lot of them on the road.
• 1:16:59
  So I was like, okay, cool.
• 1:17:01
  I was glad to see that as you go through this and read this pretty long
• 1:17:04
  article that they pointed out that it does apply to just about everybody.
• 1:17:09
  You know, what doesn't degrade to 64 percent of its capacity, unless I put
• 1:17:14
  bricks in the bottom of it is my gas tank.
• 1:17:16
  Just want to point that out.
• 1:17:17
  If it holds 13 gallons, I put 13 gallons in, that can always put 13 gallons in it.
• 1:17:22
  Just want to point that out.
• 1:17:24
  Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Contest that fact.
• 1:17:26
  Meanwhile, I was listening to NPR and they were chatting with some folks.
• 1:17:31
  That bought into that whole SpaceX ride share Ponzi scheme.
• 1:17:36
  And so, you know, they were talking to this gentleman from Asia that
• 1:17:40
  had bought not one, but eight seats on the loop around the earth's moon
• 1:17:46
  trip that Elon was selling, you know, in his Tesla timeshare package.
• 1:17:51
  And needless to say that individual invested a ton of money.
• 1:17:54
  The numbers are supposedly like on the low end, 300, 000 per person.
• 1:17:58
  So for a billionaire, you know, what's a couple million bucks.
• 1:18:01
  Granted, Elon's getting what, a 55 billion paycheck now or whatever
• 1:18:05
  it is that they're saying that he's going to get out of this latest boom.
• 1:18:07
  Well earned.
• 1:18:08
  Yeah.
• 1:18:09
  Well deserved.
• 1:18:10
  So another scam there too.
• 1:18:12
  But now this guy is tired of waiting because like the Cybertruck, he's been
• 1:18:16
  waiting since 2018 for his lap around the moon that he was promised, which
• 1:18:21
  I don't think is ever going to happen.
• 1:18:22
  So he asked Tesla for his money back and Brad, how does that work again?
• 1:18:27
  It doesn't happen.
• 1:18:27
  It doesn't happen.
• 1:18:28
  Okay.
• 1:18:29
  Just checking.
• 1:18:29
  I mean, yeah, that money has been spent.
• 1:18:33
  Yeah.
• 1:18:33
  So this is the Tesla model.
• 1:18:35
  We've got this great idea.
• 1:18:37
  We can't afford to build it.
• 1:18:39
  So we're going to sell it now.
• 1:18:41
  And then we're going to use the funds from the sale to build it.
• 1:18:44
  And then we're going to come up with another idea and we're going to sell that.
• 1:18:47
  We're going to sell the idea and then use those funds to build this other idea.
• 1:18:52
  Like Eric said, the Ponzi scheme, all of its vaporware.
• 1:18:55
  So how many Tesla roadsters are going to get built?
• 1:18:57
  Do you think?
• 1:18:58
  Well, the Tesla Roadsters are funding the Cybertruck.
• 1:19:01
  Can you put your deposit down yet?
• 1:19:03
  A thousand people or something put down deposits on those things.
• 1:19:07
  And how many years ago was that?
• 1:19:08
  We're talking about the lasers and the cannons and it's
• 1:19:10
  going to be zero to 60 in 1.
• 1:19:13
  9 seconds.
• 1:19:13
  It's going to be that.
• 1:19:13
  You remember that episode we did?
• 1:19:16
  Was it season one, Brad, like five years ago with Bobby Parks.
• 1:19:19
  And he was talking about how they were going to go drag
• 1:19:21
  racing with the Tesla Roadster.
• 1:19:23
  And I'm like, yeah, okay.
• 1:19:24
  I didn't believe it then.
• 1:19:26
  We're all cautiously optimistic, but it's literally been five years.
• 1:19:30
  It's never going to happen.
• 1:19:32
  Well, we said the same thing about the cyber truck.
• 1:19:34
  So yes, but it's also a piece of your rife with problems.
• 1:19:39
  Yes.
• 1:19:39
  Speaking of problems of the cyber truck, that wiper blade keeps giving them issues.
• 1:19:46
  Something so basic.
• 1:19:47
  And remember I said blade, not blades.
• 1:19:51
  It's that six foot windshield wiper.
• 1:19:54
  They're delaying Cybertruck orders because the windshield wiper doesn't work.
• 1:19:59
  Well, it also takes 37 menu clicks to turn it on.
• 1:20:03
  They don't want you to use it.
• 1:20:04
  That's why it's buried so far down in the menu.
• 1:20:06
  Just the supply chain quality issue on the wiper motors.
• 1:20:10
  They're failing.
• 1:20:12
  No big, well, you have to imagine the torque.
• 1:20:15
  Put on that wiper motor with a single arm.
• 1:20:18
  That's like six feet long.
• 1:20:20
  And then the air resistance, how big is that motor?
• 1:20:23
  That's got to move that thing.
• 1:20:24
  I didn't do the engineering calc.
• 1:20:26
  It's a 2.
• 1:20:26
  3 liter EcoBoost just to move the windshield wiper.
• 1:20:30
  It does remind me having seen it in person.
• 1:20:33
  If you remember the one 90 E.
• 1:20:36
  And some of the other Mercedes of that time period in like
• 1:20:38
  the late 80s, early 90s.
• 1:20:40
  The scissor wiper.
• 1:20:41
  Some of them had like that big scissor wiper.
• 1:20:43
  Honda Civic had that.
• 1:20:45
  Yeah, but they also had a single wiper blade on the Mercedes and it was massive.
• 1:20:49
  It worked then, I guess, you know, history, I guess has
• 1:20:52
  a tendency to repeat itself.
• 1:20:53
  Speaking of history repeating itself, guess what?
• 1:20:55
  No stupid drag race.
• 1:20:57
  But this time the Tesla loses.
• 1:21:00
  Loser!
• 1:21:01
  Loser.
• 1:21:02
  Was this an off-road drag race?
• 1:21:04
  It was between an F-150 lightning and a cyber truck.
• 1:21:07
  And the lightning leaves the SA truck in the dust.
• 1:21:10
  I mean the sand.
• 1:21:11
  I was gonna say he dusted them.
• 1:21:13
  Yeah, he dusted them.
• 1:21:14
  Good.
• 1:21:14
  Real good.
• 1:21:15
  Yeah.
• 1:21:17
  Oh well, you know the tires, all the problem.
• 1:21:19
  Supply chain, the manufacturer of the rubber.
• 1:21:22
  That Tesla got a head start, but that lightning came up quick.
• 1:21:26
  It just called it a day.
• 1:21:27
  Maybe it's just the way because when you video wheels and stuff, it almost looks
• 1:21:32
  like the rear of the F 150 actually locks up and he's just dragging the rear wheel.
• 1:21:38
  It's the camera.
• 1:21:39
  I could watch this video all day long and repeat.
• 1:21:42
  It is just fantastic.
• 1:21:43
  I love the guy.
• 1:21:44
  With the American flag, like, yeah, yeah, I absolutely love it.
• 1:21:53
  Oh, that's good stuff.
• 1:21:54
  Which is a better run company, Tesla or General Motors?
• 1:22:02
  Notice that there was not a Chevy Silverado in this drag race.
• 1:22:05
  It was a Ford.
• 1:22:06
  That is true.
• 1:22:07
  Wrapping out some Tesla news.
• 1:22:09
  Our favorite internet idiot, Whistlin Diesel.
• 1:22:12
  I don't even know why we're giving this person any airtime.
• 1:22:15
  We say like, oh, how do these people get murmur?
• 1:22:18
  And then it's people like us that are like, helping him.
• 1:22:21
  I don't want to help him.
• 1:22:22
  I'm not going to talk about this.
• 1:22:23
  You can talk about it.
• 1:22:24
  I'm going to stay silent.
• 1:22:24
  All three of our Arbitron rated listeners.
• 1:22:27
  But yeah, I mean, this guy, I bring it up only because he's beaten cars
• 1:22:32
  to death and now he's got his hands.
• 1:22:35
  On a cyber truck.
• 1:22:36
  And so there's no video footage yet.
• 1:22:40
  Just some pictures on Instagram with the hype and all this kind of thing.
• 1:22:43
  So I want to see what he does to it.
• 1:22:45
  He's going to explode it because he's probably going to get it
• 1:22:48
  into some like benign accident.
• 1:22:50
  And the thing is just going to like go into a million pieces.
• 1:22:53
  And maybe that's the end of whistling diesel as we know it.
• 1:22:56
  It's Okay, what would be more interesting is we know how
• 1:23:01
  Ilan Takes the shit like this.
• 1:23:03
  Oh, yeah What is the retribution here because he's not just gonna like
• 1:23:10
  is he really just gonna sit back?
• 1:23:12
  I don't know.
• 1:23:13
  But if this guy goes and like brutalizes his baby cybertruck here
• 1:23:19
  Makes a mockery of it, basically.
• 1:23:21
  That's a lot different than somebody trying to give you an artistic tribute.
• 1:23:24
  Yeah, I can't wait.
• 1:23:25
  I'm kind of looking forward to this.
• 1:23:27
  I am too.
• 1:23:27
  Yeah, for once.
• 1:23:29
  I hate his stuff in general.
• 1:23:30
  I think he absolutely just abuses cars for all the wrong reasons.
• 1:23:35
  And a lot of the cars are like, man, I wouldn't, I wouldn't driven that.
• 1:23:38
  That's like a nice car.
• 1:23:39
  Abusing a Cybertruck?
• 1:23:40
  I want to see how this turns out.
• 1:23:42
  In the one picture, there is a tank in the background.
• 1:23:44
  Oh, dude, this is going to be great.
• 1:23:46
  Bulletproof glass?
• 1:23:47
  How about missile proof glass?
• 1:23:49
  Excellent.
• 1:23:50
  That's probably accurate.
• 1:23:51
  That's going to be awesome.
• 1:23:53
  Well, now that I've thoroughly lowered Tanya's expectations.
• 1:23:56
  Lowered expectations.
• 1:23:59
  Zah!
• 1:24:00
  Zah!
• 1:24:01
  Yeah!
• 1:24:02
  Yeah!
• 1:24:03
  Miracle!
• 1:24:04
  I got one more bit of Tesla news for you.
• 1:24:07
  You remember the infamous, we're gonna build a sub 30, 000 scheme,
• 1:24:12
  but 25, 000, air quotes, Tesla Model Y is too much for you.
• 1:24:16
  How about a Chinese knockoff for two and a half grand?
• 1:24:19
  Is it actually a car or is it like a model car?
• 1:24:22
  You don't know what this is.
• 1:24:24
  Looks terrible though.
• 1:24:25
  You get inside and you pedal like a Flintstones car?
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  That's what I'm wondering.
• 1:24:29
  The body panels are straighter than the Cybertruck.
• 1:24:32
  But the front wheels look like reverse camber, like they're, they're out, you
• 1:24:35
  know, On the top and in on the bottom.
• 1:24:37
  They do not have a stance problem here.
• 1:24:39
  Okay, we got a reverse stance.
• 1:24:41
  This thing is terrible.
• 1:24:42
  I think it's a death trap.
• 1:24:44
  13 horsepower, 10 kilowatt, 6 foot pounds of torque.
• 1:24:48
  I mean, this is a golf cart with a Tesla Y body on top of it.
• 1:24:52
  It is awful.
• 1:24:53
  But two and a half grand, although it looks like it gets
• 1:24:55
  about the same range as the
• 1:24:59
  That's perfect, I mean I'd say that's an expensive coffin, but actually coffins
• 1:25:03
  cost about that much It's a creative coffin Meanwhile, we do have some rich
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  Tanya, you brought this one to us.
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  What do you got?
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  Oh yeah, I did.
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  It might be sold now, because I don't know, it's already been a couple weeks.
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  guess, with an iconic female artist.
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  You, too, could drive Cher's 1972 Ferrari 246 Dino GTS.
• 1:25:48
  I mean, I'm actually kind of impressed by this.
• 1:25:50
  I'm like, wow.
• 1:25:51
  Cher had good taste.
• 1:25:52
  All right.
• 1:25:54
  It was the cheap Ferrari, though.
• 1:25:57
  Her 1972 Ferrari apparently showed up on Bring a Trailer.
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  Really nice.
• 1:26:02
  I don't know if it's the photograph, or that Dino is a slightly darker
• 1:26:06
  red, but it looks really good.
• 1:26:08
  Ah, the auction did end on June 10th.
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  And?
• 1:26:11
  Alright, any guesses?
• 1:26:12
  How much did this sell for?
• 1:26:15
  It did sell, sold on 6 10.
• 1:26:17
  Eric, before you answer, I will tell you, there is another Dino.
• 1:26:21
  Oh.
• 1:26:21
  246 GT set no reserve right now on bring a trailer.
• 1:26:28
  The auction has 10 days left.
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  Current bid 127, 500.
• 1:26:33
  The share bid is over.
• 1:26:35
  And this one was not shares.
• 1:26:37
  This is the GT, not a GTS.
• 1:26:39
  And that GT did not have shares, but cheeks in it or Sonny's.
• 1:26:46
  I'm gonna say it sold for 357, 000.
• 1:26:51
  No.
• 1:26:51
  Which one?
• 1:26:52
  His or mine?
• 1:26:53
  Shares.
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  350, 000?
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  Yeah.
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  Higher.
• 1:26:56
  What?
• 1:26:57
  500,000, a little bit higher.
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  Really?
• 1:27:01
  What did it come in at?
• 1:27:02
  568,000.
• 1:27:04
  Wow.
• 1:27:05
  To have Cher's butt cheeks on the leather Cher's butt cheek,
• 1:27:08
  and three other people's butt cheeks, , or five and a half cyr.
• 1:27:12
  I take this over five and a half Cyber.
• 1:27:15
  Oh, yeah, of course.
• 1:27:16
  Wow.
• 1:27:16
  Okay.
• 1:27:17
  Dino's have gone up in price.
• 1:27:18
  Holy smokes.
• 1:27:19
  Yeah.
• 1:27:20
  Cause they were sort of like 308s in a way, well the predecessor
• 1:27:24
  to the 308 and they were always considered like not Ferraris, right?
• 1:27:27
  They're the Dino's commemorated after Ferrari sun and all this kind
• 1:27:31
  of thing, but it's sort of like, you know, they were the cheap Ferrari,
• 1:27:33
  but yeah, obviously they've climbed quite a bit in the market space.
• 1:27:36
  There were 271 Dino, 246 GTs, both of them sold for over 300, 000
• 1:27:41
  current market for a regular Dino.
• 1:27:44
  Not shares Dino is between three and five hundred thousand.
• 1:27:47
  All right, 246, 308, or 328.
• 1:27:51
  What would you buy?
• 1:27:51
  Which would I buy?
• 1:27:53
  Oh god, that's hard.
• 1:27:55
  Shit, it would have to be between.
• 1:27:57
  Who am I kidding?
• 1:27:58
  It's Magnum's car.
• 1:28:00
  Yeah, it's the 308.
• 1:28:01
  You know, I'm starting to walk away from the 308.
• 1:28:04
  I've kind of re engaged the 328.
• 1:28:07
  I got a chance to drive a 328 QV many, many years ago.
• 1:28:10
  After I saw that black one at eyes on design, I really liked that car.
• 1:28:15
  I liked the squarishness of it.
• 1:28:17
  And I think it's underappreciated.
• 1:28:18
  Yeah, it's heavier, but it's got the bigger motor and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:28:22
  But I kind of liked the 328 and the right color.
• 1:28:25
  It's pretty cool.
• 1:28:25
  I mean, I wouldn't give it away if someone gave it to me, right?
• 1:28:29
  But also Magnum's car.
• 1:28:31
  Yeah.
• 1:28:32
  Well, yeah.
• 1:28:32
  Okay.
• 1:28:33
  All right.
• 1:28:34
  How much are Tom Selleck's butt cheeks worth?
• 1:28:36
  Probably a lot more than 568, 000.
• 1:28:39
  Easily 10 times shares butt cheeks.
• 1:28:41
  How much is Tom Selleck's facial hair worth?
• 1:28:44
  The mustache ride.
• 1:28:45
  How much is that worth?
• 1:28:47
  Oh my god.
• 1:28:48
  Next up in Rich People Things, and this is destined for our holiday
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  shopping guide, have you all seen the new Nuvelari collection?
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  It's a line of apparel designed by Andres Graf out of Europe.
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  It's commemorating the famous Formula One driver and Ferrari driver Tazio Nuvolari.
• 1:29:06
  Kind of goes along with the Tazio magazine as well.
• 1:29:09
  I think the stuff that they have, it was really sharp.
• 1:29:12
  And actually, not really too rich people thangs.
• 1:29:15
  I think it's pretty appropriately priced for what you're getting.
• 1:29:18
  It does throw back to the old Tatsuya Nuvolari logos and using, you know,
• 1:29:23
  file footage and old photographs and things like that to get inspired from
• 1:29:27
  the way he dressed and bring that type of style forward into the 2024s.
• 1:29:32
  So you're talking like a hundred years.
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  into the future, bringing Tazio Nuvolari back into the scene.
• 1:29:38
  I think this is going to be pretty cool, and it's going to make
• 1:29:40
  a really interesting gift for people this coming holiday season.
• 1:29:44
  Not bad.
• 1:29:44
  I don't have any thoughts about it.
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  We have a link to it in the show notes, so you can check it out.
• 1:29:48
  I mean, it's all primarily male centric, though, so I'm looking at it, and I
• 1:29:52
  still don't have any thoughts about it.
• 1:29:55
  I am not its target market.
• 1:29:57
  True.
• 1:29:57
  But I will say now that Lamar is over, check out the Lamar official store and you
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  can get a lot of this year's gear on sale.
• 1:30:05
  So you can clean up now that the race is over with.
• 1:30:08
  If you're an ACO member, especially an ACO USA member, you can get a pretty
• 1:30:12
  good discount anywhere between 15 to 25 percent off of the list price, even on
• 1:30:17
  top of things that are already on sale.
• 1:30:19
  So I was doing a little shopping myself the other day going,
• 1:30:22
  Hmm, I think I need some.
• 1:30:23
  It's more Le Mans gear in my wardrobe.
• 1:30:26
  So that's something else to add to the list.
• 1:30:28
  And then if that's not enough, I know it's a little late for Father's Day, but you
• 1:30:31
  know, we don't celebrate anything in June.
• 1:30:33
  So if you go back to Garage Style Magazine, Don put together
• 1:30:37
  a list of Father's Day items.
• 1:30:40
  You might've missed it.
• 1:30:41
  So check it out.
• 1:30:42
  There's something basically for you, for the car or for your garage.
• 1:30:46
  On the list.
• 1:30:47
  So check out the father's day shopping guide over in garage style,
• 1:30:50
  and maybe use that also as some inspiration for your holiday shopping.
• 1:30:54
  If you're like me and I like to shop early in the year and not wait till the
• 1:30:57
  last minute, all ideas are good ideas.
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  I love where his head's at.
• 1:31:02
  Anybody looking to get me a father's day gift, please use the first one on here.
• 1:31:06
  The Mecham auction site and go and get me something from Mecham.
• 1:31:10
  That's what I want for father's day.
• 1:31:12
  Well, guys, if that wasn't enough.
• 1:31:13
  Would you like to buy a racetrack?
• 1:31:15
  Would you like to buy a racetrack?
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  How about Willow Springs?
• 1:31:19
  A little far.
• 1:31:20
  Who's trying to build apartments here?
• 1:31:22
  What?
• 1:31:22
  Willow Springs is the middle of nowhere.
• 1:31:24
  It's where the dirt people live.
• 1:31:25
  It's boring to get rid of.
• 1:31:26
  Isn't it iconic?
• 1:31:27
  It is.
• 1:31:28
  It's been around since the early 50s.
• 1:31:30
  It's one of America's quote unquote oldest racetracks.
• 1:31:33
  Older than that would be Watkins Glen and a few others.
• 1:31:35
  But yeah, it's been around forever.
• 1:31:38
  It's iconic.
• 1:31:38
  You know, you look at Ford versus Ferrari, they filmed it at Willow Springs because
• 1:31:42
  races like that took place at Willow Springs where they were testing iconic
• 1:31:46
  cars like the GT 40 and things like that.
• 1:31:48
  So it is up for sale.
• 1:31:49
  Would you guys like to guess how much for millions, right?
• 1:31:52
  I think it's on the cheap side for an iconic historic racetrack.
• 1:31:56
  5 million.
• 1:31:57
  That's too cheap.
• 1:31:58
  5 million.
• 1:31:58
  Let's do this.
• 1:31:59
  Let's get it done.
• 1:32:00
  75 million.
• 1:32:01
  A little too high there.
• 1:32:02
  So they are offering it up right now.
• 1:32:04
  You can own.
• 1:32:05
  Classic Willow Springs for the low, low bargain basement price of 30 million.
• 1:32:10
  That's with an M 30 million.
• 1:32:14
  That's really not bad.
• 1:32:15
  Yeah.
• 1:32:15
  Let me just go ahead and dip into my coffers, sell your Volkswagen
• 1:32:19
  and it's worth something because used car prices are still insane
• 1:32:23
  and you can buy Willow Springs.
• 1:32:24
  I would need to sell a few thousand.
• 1:32:28
  That's a lot of shares, butt cheek, to buy Willow Springs.
• 1:32:31
  Yeah.
• 1:32:33
  So it's been family owned this whole time.
• 1:32:35
  Yeah.
• 1:32:36
  Who's gonna, I mean, I guess some rich person, maybe.
• 1:32:39
  That's why it's rich people things, but granted, if you had the money or
• 1:32:43
  if you had a bunch of people to go in together to buy Willow Springs,
• 1:32:46
  I mean, it's an active racetrack.
• 1:32:48
  Rick Newt, Le Mans legend, he coaches at Willow Springs.
• 1:32:52
  It's not like it's an inactive track, like it's dead, like you're buying
• 1:32:56
  lost speedways or something like that.
• 1:32:58
  It's Willow Springs.
• 1:32:59
  It can't be making money.
• 1:33:00
  They wouldn't be selling it if it was making money.
• 1:33:02
  What big races do they have there?
• 1:33:04
  Well, it's not even that.
• 1:33:05
  It's the other side of the argument, which is 62 years of family ownership.
• 1:33:08
  And if the family wants to get out, they just want to get out.
• 1:33:11
  Loss leader or moneymaker, it doesn't matter if you're done with it.
• 1:33:14
  That's true.
• 1:33:15
  But to me as an investor.
• 1:33:18
  I would need to see the financials and like how much money are you
• 1:33:20
  making on this racetrack for my 38 million dollars or whatever.
• 1:33:24
  That's gotta be a long payback term before you've gotten a return on your investment.
• 1:33:29
  With the prices of HBEDs now, it's like two seasons.
• 1:33:33
  You're done.
• 1:33:34
  Yeah, but nobody's going.
• 1:33:37
  Hooked on driving will be there.
• 1:33:38
  Trust me.
• 1:33:39
  Bad investment.
• 1:33:41
  It is a bad investment, but it's also, it's Willow Springs.
• 1:33:44
  You could own a racetrack.
• 1:33:46
  Come on.
• 1:33:47
  Ah, you know, it is what it is.
• 1:33:49
  Rich people thangs.
• 1:33:51
  Let's talk about not rich people thangs and go down south and
• 1:33:54
  talk about alligators and beer.
• 1:34:11
  Yeah.
• 1:34:11
  Oh man, which one do we start with?
• 1:34:14
  Florida man.
• 1:34:16
  Well, maybe we should do a Florida sandwich, so we'll go out of order.
• 1:34:19
  What does that taste like?
• 1:34:20
  We're about to find out.
• 1:34:22
  We're about to find out, so.
• 1:34:24
  Beer and tears.
• 1:34:25
  All right, so there's a high speed chase in Florida.
• 1:34:27
  100 mile an hour chase that this man sends the deputies on.
• 1:34:32
  What do you think he was driving?
• 1:34:33
  You'll be surprised.
• 1:34:34
  Altima.
• 1:34:34
  Because we don't open these.
• 1:34:35
  These are all reactions, right?
• 1:34:37
  I'm gonna say Chrysler Sebring convertible.
• 1:34:39
  I'll give you a hint.
• 1:34:41
  It's not domestic, but it's also not a JDM.
• 1:34:44
  It's not domestic, but it's not a JDM.
• 1:34:47
  Only leaves you with Something German, right?
• 1:34:49
  So, oh, 100 mile an hour.
• 1:34:53
  So it's gotta be something with a little bit of engine in it.
• 1:34:56
  Does he have turn signals?
• 1:34:57
  I don't think he used it when he made the illegal U turn,
• 1:35:01
  probably, and sped past the deputy.
• 1:35:04
  I got it.
• 1:35:05
  1984 Mercedes 300 diesel.
• 1:35:10
  1995 BMW 318 Ti.
• 1:35:15
  Oh, that's a good choice.
• 1:35:17
  We're getting way too specific.
• 1:35:19
  They didn't go into that level of detail.
• 1:35:22
  Okay, it was German.
• 1:35:24
  It was a BMW.
• 1:35:27
  They did not specify other than it was a red one.
• 1:35:30
  Is there a video?
• 1:35:32
  Let me see if there's a video.
• 1:35:33
  I don't think so.
• 1:35:34
  That's like a compilation video of other stuff.
• 1:35:36
  But anyway, the man, he does this U turn, speeds past the cops, cops chase him.
• 1:35:42
  He starts weaving in and out of traffic.
• 1:35:43
  He gets up to almost a hundred miles an hour.
• 1:35:46
  Da da da da.
• 1:35:47
  Hits a curb, goes into a dirt embankment, comes to a stop by a retention pond, gets
• 1:35:52
  out of the car because it's Florida and that's what you do, and you go swim into
• 1:35:55
  the retention pond to evade the police.
• 1:35:58
  And then when the police have set up a perimeter around a retention
• 1:36:03
  pond, He's swimming back and forth.
• 1:36:08
  He's going to outsmart.
• 1:36:09
  He's going to go to one side and you know, the cops, they're
• 1:36:11
  all going to run to that side.
• 1:36:13
  And while they're running, he's going to turn around and swim to the other side.
• 1:36:16
  And then they'll have to run to the other side and then he's going to stop and swim.
• 1:36:20
  Yeah.
• 1:36:21
  Keystone cops.
• 1:36:22
  20 minutes.
• 1:36:23
  He let him swim for 20 minutes.
• 1:36:25
  20 minutes.
• 1:36:26
  To get him out of the pond.
• 1:36:28
  If I was one of those police, I would have got out my track chair
• 1:36:31
  and just sat on the side of the pond.
• 1:36:33
  And we would just set up every five feet, a police officer sits
• 1:36:36
  there with his little chair.
• 1:36:37
  You get your beer, you sit there and watch this jabroni swimming around
• 1:36:42
  in this fucking gator infested pond.
• 1:36:44
  Yeah, I was gonna say, was he swimming like that because
• 1:36:46
  the gators were chasing him?
• 1:36:48
  Like, little did they know he wasn't trying to evade them.
• 1:36:51
  What's really important about this story is, If you're tuning into the drive
• 1:36:55
  through for the first time, which I don't know where you've been, but every
• 1:36:58
  time you bring up a story about Florida men evading the police, they either
• 1:37:04
  there's a swap involved, there's water involved, they're disembarking from
• 1:37:08
  their aqua vehicle, and then they're running naked off into somewhere.
• 1:37:13
  Is this just like in the playbook for criminals?
• 1:37:15
  In Florida, like, I'm gonna abandon my vehicle and I'm gonna go swimming.
• 1:37:19
  It happens more often than not.
• 1:37:21
  I don't know what it is.
• 1:37:22
  Something about the water down there.
• 1:37:23
  Gator piss that they keep drinking when they're swimming.
• 1:37:26
  He was charged with fleeing and eluding, reckless driving, resisting
• 1:37:30
  law enforcement without violence, leaving the scene of the crash.
• 1:37:33
  I have an issue with leaving the scene of the crash.
• 1:37:35
  He didn't technically leave the scene.
• 1:37:37
  He was the scene.
• 1:37:38
  Putting in laps.
• 1:37:40
  So what's the meat in this sourdough Florida sandwich that we've created here?
• 1:37:44
  It looks like Michigan meat.
• 1:37:46
  Does this happen while I was there?
• 1:37:47
  This better not have happened while I was there.
• 1:37:48
  No.
• 1:37:49
  And a bizarre story that the first time I read it, it like took me a couple of times
• 1:37:53
  because it was like, I'm about Michigan man, never had a driver's license.
• 1:37:57
  He's on a zoom court meeting, driving in a car to get a driver's license reinstated,
• 1:38:02
  but he doesn't have a driver's license or something ridiculous like that.
• 1:38:08
  Then he's like driving on a suspended license, but then not on a suspended
• 1:38:11
  license because he didn't have a license.
• 1:38:14
  It was a weird story and now I'm rereading it and not finding it in the
• 1:38:18
  same way, but Okay, all of that aside, when did we start going to court by Zoom?
• 1:38:22
  I don't know, because that also is like, really?
• 1:38:26
  Is that a COVID thing?
• 1:38:28
  How does that work, exactly?
• 1:38:29
  I like how he had to spend two nights in jail.
• 1:38:32
  Did they put a computer in a jail cell?
• 1:38:38
  He just can't leave his seat?
• 1:38:40
  He's just gonna sit there in like, virtual jail?
• 1:38:43
  This is the fucking Sims?
• 1:38:44
  What the hell's going on here?
• 1:38:46
  Oh my god, there's multiple people on the Zoom, too.
• 1:38:48
  And he's in the car.
• 1:38:50
  The whole time.
• 1:38:52
  Wow.
• 1:38:53
  So the bailiffs, like, all rise and then everybody in the house stands up.
• 1:38:57
  Does he stand up in the car?
• 1:38:58
  To make it a right turn into the 7 Eleven.
• 1:39:00
  Did he wave at the end of the Zoom call?
• 1:39:03
  Yeah, I mean, that's the real point of the story is, like, how are you
• 1:39:06
  doing a traffic violation Zoom call?
• 1:39:11
  It's funny because I heard from somebody recently that said they got a speeding
• 1:39:16
  ticket down in Kentucky or Tennessee or something like that and they live like
• 1:39:20
  way far away and they're like, the only way they want you to be there in person.
• 1:39:23
  I'm being like, man, now you could do it over zoom, get it done.
• 1:39:26
  You don't have to drive back down there and get your ticket taken
• 1:39:29
  care of and hire a lawyer to go in for you and all that stuff.
• 1:39:32
  Just do Zoom.
• 1:39:33
  Set it up.
• 1:39:34
  Get it done.
• 1:39:35
  But then how does that work?
• 1:39:36
  Because like, isn't like part of actually showing up in court is you
• 1:39:40
  hope that the officer doesn't show up?
• 1:39:42
  Because if the officer doesn't No!
• 1:39:43
  The officer's sitting at Dunkin Donuts with the laptop and the
• 1:39:46
  password, he just brings up Zoom.
• 1:39:48
  And so I'm saying like in the old days, the whole thing was like, Oh, I'm going
• 1:39:51
  to go into the I'm not going to pay.
• 1:39:52
  I'm going to go to the court thing because Yeah, because the
• 1:39:55
  cop doesn't have time to come.
• 1:39:56
  Yeah.
• 1:39:56
  He doesn't show up and then it gets thrown out.
• 1:39:58
  But now he can just be like, Like you said, driving down to the local whatever,
• 1:40:02
  you can just doot, doot, doot, zoom it in.
• 1:40:05
  Yeah, I'm here.
• 1:40:07
  All jokes aside, that's actually a scary reality.
• 1:40:10
  In some ways it's a good thing, but in other ways, you're not
• 1:40:13
  going to be able to beat the system if that was your intention.
• 1:40:16
  But times are changing.
• 1:40:18
  They are changing.
• 1:40:19
  I never thought you'd be going to court over Zoom.
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  Oh, man.
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  Alright, let's put the bread back on the other side of the sandwich.
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  Put a little mayonnaise, a little mustard on there too.
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  And let's go back down to Florida.
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  Florida man intentionally drove into a jail, dropped several
• 1:40:36
  rubber snakes on the ground.
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  That's not it, okay?
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  That's not even it.
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  That doesn't even cover everything.
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  You read it and you're like, you know, oh, he wanted to threaten to
• 1:40:46
  kill everybody and all this stuff.
• 1:40:48
  And you're like, whoa, this is getting dark and deep.
• 1:40:50
  Then you gotta layer on all the, the Florida condiments here, because he
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  intentionally drives into the jail.
• 1:40:56
  The rubber snakes thing, I don't know.
• 1:40:58
  But he drops them.
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  He also pours motor oil on the lobby floor and wants to set it on fire.
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  And then he yelled, oh, Doyle rules.
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  Do you remember the scene in the transporter where he pours the
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  oil and then he puts the bicycle cleats on his shoes and he is like
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  round house kicking everybody.
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  That's where that's what he was trying to do.
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  So he is threatening everybody.
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  Florida you may have already guessed it.
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  Oh boy.
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  He wasn't wearing no pants
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  And not that there's anything wrong with this He was wearing a woman's blouse.
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  He was poo bearing it up in the jail.
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  You remember what I said You evade by leaving your, abandoning
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  your vehicle and you strip down.
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  But in this case, there was no body of water involved.
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  So he had to pour the oil to simulate the water evacuation.
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  And the snakes are the gators.
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  The
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  rubber snakes are the best part of this.
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  Wait a second.
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  Wait a second.
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  He's not wearing any pants.
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  Where did the snakes come from?
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  They weren't trouser snakes.
• 1:42:08
  But he pulled them out from somewhere and threw them on the ground.
• 1:42:10
  They must have been in the car.
• 1:42:12
  Wasn't there another story about a Florida man that was trying to dress
• 1:42:16
  as a woman and he got on a boat?
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  That might have been the last one.
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  Where he disguised he had put the wig on and everything in a woman's dress and
• 1:42:25
  he was stealing Yeah, yeah, and he had the beard and the pit viper sunglasses.
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  This must be his cousin Maybe it's him He's got a book bag that says
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  girl power Wow, what a mess But he intentionally crashed into the jails.
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  It's like Monopoly.
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  Do not pass.
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  Go do not collect 200 book.
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  Um, Dana, Florida never disappoints.
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  See, there's always that lull at the beginning of the year.
• 1:42:52
  Haven't quite gotten out of hibernation mode yet, but it's like when the heat
• 1:42:56
  starts coming and the swampiness starts, it's like the clothes start coming off.
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  Well guys, it's time we go behind the pit wall and talk about motorsports news.
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  Drama Llamas of Formula One, what's going on?
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  We had Montreal.
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  We had Monaco, which Was super boring, oh my god.
• 1:43:23
  We would not have covered that at the last drive thru because it
• 1:43:27
  would have been right after it.
• 1:43:29
  So we had Monaco, which was a parade lap yet again because the top 10
• 1:43:34
  Drivers all finished in the same spots they started the race in,
• 1:43:38
  which means finally Ferrari, Charles Leclerc, gets a podium on number one.
• 1:43:46
  It's a hollow victory though, I'm gonna say that.
• 1:43:48
  He still had to qualify for that position, so he outqualified everybody to get that.
• 1:43:53
  Is he the first Monogasp?
• 1:43:55
  to win at Monaco.
• 1:43:57
  I think so.
• 1:43:58
  He was either the first or the first in like a really long time.
• 1:44:00
  So it was a pretty big deal for all of them.
• 1:44:02
  So good for him.
• 1:44:03
  Carlos Sainz also ended in third.
• 1:44:05
  Piastri was second.
• 1:44:07
  So good for him.
• 1:44:08
  Yeah.
• 1:44:08
  And then Verstappen was in sixth place.
• 1:44:11
  He was unable to do anything heroic and make any sort of passes.
• 1:44:15
  Because his car is shite now that Adrian knew he's gone.
• 1:44:17
  Well, there is something to be said about that because no longer are there
• 1:44:24
  20 second, 40 second gaps at any of these races between him and the next person.
• 1:44:29
  The Canadian Grand Prix, this was a little bit bigger than when they were
• 1:44:32
  in Italy, which was less than a second between him and Lando Norris at the very
• 1:44:36
  end with Lando making huge moves to try to get into first, but didn't make it.
• 1:44:40
  The Canadians.
• 1:44:41
  Under four seconds.
• 1:44:43
  I mean, that's nothing when it used to be 40 seconds when they were
• 1:44:47
  cheating, you mean balancer performance.
• 1:44:49
  So that race saw a number of DNFs.
• 1:44:52
  I didn't watch the race.
• 1:44:53
  So don't even know exactly.
• 1:44:55
  Both Ferraris ended up out, both Williams ended up out Perez ended up out.
• 1:45:00
  It rained, so I think maybe at least Charles perhaps got
• 1:45:03
  sent out on the wrong tires.
• 1:45:04
  I don't know, at any rate.
• 1:45:05
  Such is life in Formula One.
• 1:45:07
  More to come though, but then they go on break in August, right?
• 1:45:09
  There's like no racing in August, and then they're back in the fall.
• 1:45:13
  It's like a triple header in Europe, so I think they go Spain,
• 1:45:16
  Austria, and then Silverstone.
• 1:45:19
  And then there's a bit of a break, end of July, they're in Hungary.
• 1:45:23
  And then once they've gone through Spa, then there's kind of the
• 1:45:27
  month break before the next race.
• 1:45:29
  Is that what it is?
• 1:45:30
  I'm worked in Holland.
• 1:45:32
  Yeah.
• 1:45:32
  Well, we'll keep up with all that stuff as we go along.
• 1:45:35
  I am still getting caught up on stuff.
• 1:45:38
  I talked about it a little bit the last time just to give you
• 1:45:40
  guys a pulse on what's going on.
• 1:45:42
  There's tons of action in this year, which is actually pretty cool.
• 1:45:46
  And like I said before, it's.
• 1:45:48
  When and not if TK wrecks.
• 1:45:50
  So I'm always looking forward to that at every stage.
• 1:45:52
  That said, we already covered WEC news IMSA this past weekend.
• 1:45:57
  If you're listening to this on Tuesday, when it airs, there was the Watkins
• 1:46:01
  Glen, Salem six hours, which is one of our favorite races to be at.
• 1:46:05
  And there was also some activity in mid Ohio going on as well.
• 1:46:09
  And so lots of action in the IMSA world, lots more to come on
• 1:46:12
  the IMSA schedule, hoping to get out to an IMSA race this year.
• 1:46:15
  That isn't just petite Lamar.
• 1:46:17
  That's coming up in October, but in that same world, there is a sort of
• 1:46:21
  adjacent event to the 24 hours of Lamont.
• 1:46:24
  There's the last in person evening with a legend event, which is
• 1:46:28
  going to be blown away to that's in San Diego on August the 24th.
• 1:46:33
  It's going to be a three hour tour starting from the San Diego
• 1:46:36
  yacht club on the American.
• 1:46:37
  Because cup sailing yacht with a plated dinner and a chance
• 1:46:40
  to chat with legends of Lamar.
• 1:46:42
  So if you check out the show notes, you can see all the details about
• 1:46:45
  that event and how you can register.
• 1:46:46
  There's still plenty of seats at the table available for that event.
• 1:46:49
  I'm going to be there as the host for evening with the legend.
• 1:46:52
  It's sort of appropriate that I'm there for an evening with a legend event.
• 1:46:55
  And we actually added another Evening with a Legend guest at the
• 1:46:59
  last minute for the month of June.
• 1:47:00
  You can sign up to come and listen to Rob Dyson, that's team principal of Dyson
• 1:47:05
  Racing, and you might be familiar with the Dyson Porsches, who's going to come
• 1:47:09
  on and tell about not only his personal attempt at Le Mans in 87, Behind the wheel
• 1:47:13
  of a Porsche 956, but all the subsequent returns that they've had with Dyson
• 1:47:18
  racing to Lamar over the last 40 years.
• 1:47:21
  So really excited to be behind the mic with Rob Dyson.
• 1:47:24
  And then in August, we've locked in Andy Pilgrim.
• 1:47:29
  Who's going to come back and talk about his times at Lamar behind the wheel of
• 1:47:32
  Corvettes and Porsches and other cars.
• 1:47:34
  He's been on the Lamar podium many times great guy and great driver and
• 1:47:37
  we've had him on the show in the past.
• 1:47:38
  So check out his previous episode and I'm not going to spoil some
• 1:47:41
  of the other guests that are coming on the rest of the year.
• 1:47:43
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• 1:47:46
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• 1:48:23
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• 1:48:26
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• 1:48:28
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• 1:48:30
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• 1:48:33
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• 1:48:36
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• 1:48:44
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• 1:48:47
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• 1:48:52
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