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Episode 722: Being A Human and A Therapist with Esther Goldstein · The Trauma Therapist

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Or welcome back to the Trauma Hippist Podcast. My name is Gaming Person.
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My mission is to help trauma therapist be their incredible cells, to be human,
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to be real, not just a clinician. I'm a big believer in
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who we are is more important than what we know, and this requires cultivating
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authenticity, genuineness and vulnerability, and that requires intention. Can learn more about
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my courses and workshops by going to the Trauma Therapist project dot com. That's
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the Trauma Therapist Project dot com. Let's get started. So five four,
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three, two and one, our folks, welcome back to the Trauma Therapist
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Podcast and I am thrilled to have back Esther Goldstein, Esther welcome, So
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excited to be here. Guy has been someone who is part of my Trauma
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therapist training experience. I'm excited to be here and so much respect appreciate that.
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So as a first joined us on episode three forty eight, super excited
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to have her back. She's a licensed clinical social worker in the five Towns
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and surrounding areas. As a trauma specialist, trauma educator, and founder of
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Intricative Psychotherapy. Her goal is to make sure that her clients are set up
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with it, just the right customized therapeutic experience to help them along the healing
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journey. She comes to this field first as a fellow human who appreciates human
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struggles, unknowns, and challenges, and her approach to therapy is highly collaborative
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and integrative. She says, it's about you, your life, your goals,
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and how I can be a strong, skillful support to help you navigate
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whatever you're facing. Esther welcome back. Thank you. So before we can
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go and here, remind everyone where you're from originally and where you are currently.
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I am originally from. I mean I grew up and I I was
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born in Canada, and then I grew up in and then I was in
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Brooklyn for some time, then Rockland County, which is one of the suburbs
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of New York. Then I grew up here in Long Island, which is
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where I live now. I was in Israel for five years. I did
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a post credit Hebrew U and now I'm back in the Five Towns in Long
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Island in New York. Yeah, like an hour explain to people what the
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five towns is. Yeah, I love that. Okay, So there's five
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towns. It's kind of known to be these small community life, but it's
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kind of grown a lot. It's in Nassau County. So the five towns
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are Lawrence, Ceda Hurst, Woodmere, u Lit, and in wood Um.
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It's part of the South Shore. So we just called the five towns.
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But I'm in I live in Woodmere and my practices in Ceda Hurst.
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So awesome, awesome. So I'm Reginally from New York and lived in Long
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Island for a little bit and that just sounds like the LLI Long Island Express
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train to do it. We're how do you? Okay? Yeah? Yeah,
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so welcome back. So what are we gonna talk about today? You
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told me before, but share with our audience. Yeah, I want to
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talk about this topic. I mean, there's so many different topics and there's
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so much wisdom that you have that I kind of want to interview you.
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But I do want to talk today about the fact that when it comes to
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emotional healing or trauma healing, oftentimes we get sicker before we get better.
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Okay, what does that mean? What do you mean? What I mean
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is so I actually have this. I don't know if you saw, but
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I created this like a training for my staff called Trauma therapist training, and
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I just created a lot of content and information and I opened it up to
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the public. And yesterday in the meeting, we were talking about some of
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the staff where some of the attendees were talking about the fact that sometimes our
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clients when they reach out for help, are doing okay, and then as
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they start engaging in healing work and going a little deeper, they become more
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symptomatic. Or they were okay and they're reaching out for help and they're symptomatic.
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And they were just confused because it's like, doesn't therapy or healing or
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any kind of emotional awareness process, isn't the promise, especially for marketing to
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heal. Come to E M d R and in three to five sessions,
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all of your flashbacks and anxiety will be poof gun right, Yeah, all
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right, so so give us some details here. Okay, why is that?
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Yeah? Why is that true? Yeah? So I kind of I
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really wanted to talk about it because like then we ended up having a conversation
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about ourselves and commitments that we've made in our own lives or areas in our
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own lives where we feel strong or sensitive. And I was sharing how in
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some areas of my life, I can feel really solid and other areas that
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can be fragile or be tending to in an area of my life. The
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reason is when it comes to let's say specifically to trauma, healing right,
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or kind of looking at something right. I always say, like, let's
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say you have like a booboo, you have a band aid, you got
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a little you know, you got a scratch, and then there's bacteria and
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then there might be an infection growing, right, you just cover it up
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with a bandai because it's painful. Let's say you're outside and you're hiking for
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a few hours or for some people a few days, and say you just
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put a band aid on it for temporary right relief. It's not like a
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life threatening situation. And you get back home and you could either leave the
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band aid on it or it's like this is either turning into an infection and
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there's pain and it's making me itchy, or you can leave the band aid
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on there. So if you want to take it off, you're going to
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clean it out right, and the cleansing process it's really painful. Usually put
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on a peroxide or right like you're putting something on that's cleansing it out.
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It doesn't feel good, but so and when it comes to trauma healing,
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it's like you're looking at an issue, you're looking at a pain, You're
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looking at something that you know isn't working so well, and so it hurts.
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And people sometimes say, wait, why am I doing this? Why
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don't I just leave the band aid on? And we'll talk about different band
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aids that all of us are, our clients are just humans use and it's
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actually it's like we clear it out. There is pain, but essentially you're
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cleaning it out so you can put a new gause on top of it,
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allow skin to come on top of that and to heal and to grow thicker
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or just healthier skin without the infection. Yeah, I mean I actually entirely
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agree with what you're saying. I know in my own life you okay,
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yeah, I mean it's true. It's no, it's it's um you know,
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well, healing, What does healing mean? What does that mean?
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You know? I think it really helps to even define what this means.
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But even just for me, you know, I've been going through some stuff
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in my life recently and you're like, Okay, I need to get healed.
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I need to get better, and just to put one foot in front
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of the other. You know, we can extrapolate this to trauma therapy in
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a sense. As a client, as a person who is healing, you
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need just to exist, just to move forward, and to do that you
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kind of bring you manage, but to move further on in the healing process,
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it requires a certain self awareness, which requires getting in there and looking
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at things and being willing to do that. And that's hard. It's really
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hard. It's so interesting. Somebody said something like, what if you don't
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want to do the work. I'm like, do you think therapy is always
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fun? And let's not even talk about therapy, right, You're saying like
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you're navigating some stuff like and I do think it's a great idea to define
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healing, which I would love to do with you in a minute. But
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just showing up to life with a level of emotional awakness can be like got
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wrenchingly painful, right, And it's like, oh, how do I even
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put that one foot in front of the other. It's not this sexy like
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healing dad, Right, It's usually nothing feel that way. Yeah, yeah,
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there's nothing, there's nothing easier. I mean, just to exist in
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life, it's hard. Things are hard. Life is hard, and it
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takes a lot of courage to to be someone who's experienced trauma and to pick
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up the phone and make to walk into someone's office because oftentimes, as a
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client, when you're first reaching out, you don't know what the hell is
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going to happen. You don't know what's going to go on. Yeah,
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and hopefully you're in good hands with an experienced clinician. So how did this
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come about? This idea for you? The talking about how pain, how
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healing takes plain just so we can find healing for a minute, because I
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love that you said that. I want to just define it as the process
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of someone choosing to consciously to look at a part of themselves or something in
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their life so they can make a change. And it might feel like you
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have a choice, Like maybe you have a partner that says, well,
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you're really not present, or maybe you notice that you're drinking too much alcohol,
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or maybe you're feeling kind of stuck in life, or maybe it doesn't
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feel like it's a choice. Maybe you hit like a really high high where
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you're just very anxious, irritated, can't sleep, or maybe you're hitting a
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low and you're just not feeling good, and so really, I would say
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the word healing or maybe just being right from any of us is a matter
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of that there is a choice where either you can be where you're at or
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you're taking making a choice to take that step, whatever that step might be.
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The step might be to even acknowledge that there is a pain. The
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step might be to pick up the phone. The step might be to leave
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a therapist who's not right for you right. The step might be to read
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a blog when people have been telling you to get curious, or for yourself
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to look at yourself in the mirror. But I think just simplify healing,
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it's really about tending to symptoms. Right. Life is really just a matter
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of being able to exist with the painful and the joyous. And some of
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our chapters are of our lives are more painful, and some of the chapters
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of our lives are more joyous. And I don't like when people say,
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go to therapy soul, the pain go away and all the joy comes back.
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Well, that's just not life, right. I think it's about right,
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look who you said, continuing to show up and to have those moments
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of joy when they do come in or to invite them. And but you
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said, why did I bring this topic up? Honestly because it's something that
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I've been looking at in my own life as a human being. And also
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like you probably, I'm sure you have this as well, Like we're all
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so we're doing we're all doing this thing called humanity. None of us can
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outrun each other in the human race, right, Like I remember asking some
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consultants in a training like, but how do I so once it's rumbly and
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humbly life, like when do I get to the plateau? And one of
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my consultants she was like never? And I was like no, no,
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no, come again when and She's like never. So I'm like no.
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But I think that in my own experience, right of being a human and
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a therapist and someone who's connecting with other therapists, there's real human conversations of
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our clients journeys but also our own what is this thing called life? Right?
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How do you do life well? And as I've evolved, like I
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think it took a number of years of being a therapist and then being in
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my own therapy, but really like getting access to knowledge which I know you
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do so much on here, which I want to thank you for sharing with
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the world. Yeah, really about trauma is like I had a deeper layer
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of healing and awareness that I was doing for myself and it felt so uncomfortable,
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and even now like there's pieces where I'm like, it's not shiny and
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glossy, but there's a level of awakeness and realness that is the gift of
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just doing the work or being an emotionally awake person. So I wanted to
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and I wanted to bring up the conversation because I know so many times clients
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reach out and they say, like, isn't therapy supposed to be making me
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feel better? And they feel lost or confused, And I think just giving
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people knowledge about the process of change or healing or looking at your life secrecy
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or shame or struggles or just like reality can be a mixed bag and to
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still keep plowing through. So really my message is about hope, um and
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the process. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. What is your take?
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What have you experienced with your fellow clinicians or the people you work with,
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how do they sit with this idea that therapy isn't always you know,
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rainbows and butterflies, and it's it's not easy. I mean, you are
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you are you seeing other therapists or people you're working with the end or training
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saying really or or what yeah, it's um, it's very painful. I
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think that when we are therapists, or when we're people who have people reaching
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out to us, we um we need to be dancing in two different platforms.
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On the one hand, it's like I'm here with your pain, and
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either like I'm here with you and I see that we're about to notice something
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that has emotional pain, and I'm almost tiptoeing myself to walking towards that even
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though that's really what's going to allow you relief. Or you're in pain and
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I actually want to help you reduce some of the way that your body is
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experiencing it because it's so intense, or we're you're deep in it and like
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I'm going to hold your hand as we move through it. So who is
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it that said? I mean a few of the expert therapists talk about how
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like really being a trauma therapist is that you're being impacted by a stranger's story,
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right, like your story is changing me. It's really it's engraving a
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story, a really meaningful story and experience in my life. So there's being
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with the pain and then there's being with possibility. And I think holding that
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dense and holding both of those is a real challenge. And I'll tell you
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why the challenge is there not just because we all come into the therapy field,
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because we have our own healing that we need to do. Like anyone
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who I know who's in the field, like wounded healer, some were acknowledge
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and somewhere engage in their healing than others. But I think it also makes
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us confront right, So there's this piece of I want to take your pain
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away, but I want to take it away temporarily but also really help you
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engage if you're ready for the longer term healing, and to give you some
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hope as well to get through. But I think there's a second layer where,
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like in this conversation I had yesterday with some clinicians, they said,
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you know, we're in this because we want to talk about our clients,
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but we're realizing that there's so much that it's making us look at it add
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ourselves. I'm like, oh, there should be like a warning, right,
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But it's also because then it makes us look at like working in this
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field or working with people who have, you know, trauma, it's very
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evocative. It's very emotionally evocative where it's almost like it brings up some of
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our own dormant stuff, right, and so it's like how do I sit
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with pain? And how do I sit with hope? So I noticed sometimes
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the struggle of like how can I should I walk with this person towards that
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And obviously some of these are clinical questions of you know, making sure your
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client nervous system is regulated and you are you know, giving them the right
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skills. At the same time, really what all clients need is that steady,
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grounding voice that says, I'm not afraid, We're going to figure this
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out together and I'm going to hold your hand. But it's a very uncomfortable
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experience for many. Um. So yeah, I do find that it's you
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know, walking those two lines that can be tricking sometimes. So you you've
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obviously been doing this for a while, you have experience. How how did
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you get to this point? Was it was it when you first got into
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this field? Was this your attitude? No? What was it like?
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What was what was your perspective. What was I give it to the field
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to help people's pain go away. I thought, I have a huge heart,
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and I'm just gonna smile and tell them how amazing they are and how
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no matter what, like you know, difficult times, you know the quote
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like, um, hard times don't last, right, Tough times don't last,
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but tough people too, But tough people do. Um, we do
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both. Then we have stars. And then we have to you know,
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live through life and love and being and you know, work on our nervous
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systems. And it's not so like, oh you survived, now move on.
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UM. I think this is really more story of my own stuff and
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my own learning. But really, I do have to tell you guy that
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your podcast really gave me so many gifts. Like there were so many times
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I was driving back and forth I was getting consultation from Bradfoot doctor Bradfoot's a
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psychiatrist at montefire UM, and then I was getting like consultation from one at
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Daniel Truck. Just I remember just driving in the car always listening to your
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podcasts and the wisdom of so many of the trauma educators ringing in my ear.
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We're so helpful and they still are. So I really want to thank
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you because you're one of like the first voices that I am just saying like
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that you bought so many, like so much wisdom together. Um No,
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I didn't think that. I thought that, I m I think I mentioned
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this. I thought I was going to be a lawyer to speak up like
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for children of adoption or divorce, and then that I wanted to be a
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mom as well, and I wanted I think it was probably like a fantasy,
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like I wanted to be like some kick I'll watch some impressive strong woman
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in the courtroom, or like a CIAgent, like that power woman. And
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then I realized power is not really a matter of like how you show up,
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but it's an energy and who you are and what you're conveying. So
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then I went into the field of social work, and yeah, even as
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a social worker, I thought I would just be like a big loving soul.
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I think really gave me this wisdom is humanity and humility and experiencing my
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own healing journey. I know I shared last time about how there were people
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in my extended family and community who struggled with addiction and how I looked at
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that, you know, I first specialized in working with addiction, and then
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I realized that's the core of addiction. You know, the difference between people
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who you know hold sobriety to some of them who keep relapsing. Sometimes.
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Um, you know, there's underlying trauma, a childhood trauma, opaining.
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So there's that piece. But really, as I just engaged in like being
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more adult and listening to my client stories and and and seeing what helped them
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and what didn't help them, and I think just like eating a lot of
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humble cake, and also like being very human in my own experience. Yeah,
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I mean, I appreciate you sharing that, And I'm curious if you
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can even get more specific. Can you recall a specific instance that made you
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think, wait a minute, I've got to I've got to shift here.
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You know, having a big heart and a great smile, isn't it enough?
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Really? Was there? Can you think back to a specific incident or
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time when you're like, okay, I need to maybe do my own inner
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work here. Something needs to shift. Yes, yes, let me let
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me just love this question. I started working with clients and I realized,
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okay, I realized that I wanted more and it wasn't just I remember one
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of my friends said to me, like, you were on this like trip
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of just getting all the latest trainings, and she's like, it's you're just
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drinking the kool aid, and I said, no, no, no,
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it's not the kool aid. I'm looking for the true way to heal people.
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And I have to find what resonates for me and my story and just
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what lends on me from a trainer who I honor and for something that helps
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me feel more comfortable in my own mind and body, because I don't just
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want to learn skills. So I think it was when I was working with
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some clients that there were some clients that were doing well with like talk therapy.
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But I found that when I started working with clients who who I was
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seeing for a while, and they started sharing more about their story, and
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I started developing that sixth sense of like nuance of like there's more to the
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story and it's more to the pain where there's a different might be some kind
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of like neglect or abuse, or sexual trauma or family secrecy, that I'm
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feeling something deeper than what then a question can ask them, or that an
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intervention could boom on right, And it was more about like I need to
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be able to move in deeper into the relational aspect in a way that's very
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healthy and therapeutic to the client. I was reading Kathy Steele's book, and
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I was reading a lot of the books on dissociation when I realized that,
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Okay, so I was working with a few clients here it is who had
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dissociative symptoms. And I remember trying to use my psychotherapy skills, even skills
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I had an EMDR. And then I realized that my savior complex, the
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part of me that thought like I'm going to help heal them, was getting
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in the way of really good work happening because I was scared. I was
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really scared, like can I really help you? Your symptoms are really strong.
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And then I reached that for consultation, and I remember a consultant was
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talking about like, we're not just looking at you as a therapist and your
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client as the patient, but we look at you as a person and then
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you as a professional, and both of those parts of you and then your
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client. And I think starting to realize like the part of me that so
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desperately wanted to help them heal was really a part of me that was feeling
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powerless, and it was about really noticing and owning my humanity. And then
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it wasn't about power or saving right, and it was about being in my
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own story right, my own maybe fantasy of someone coming to save me.
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And I think that pushed me. Then I ended up switching therapists at that
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point because I was like I was being challenged to engage in the process of
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psychotherapy from a much more I don't know, humane, not just humane,
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but deeper standpoint. And so I started engaging in my own therapy with someone
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who I felt like could really hold me in a real way. You know.
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It wasn't like I can save the day, I have all these trainings,
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but helped me see parts of myself. And then automatically, as I
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started like looking at the different aspects of myself that maybe I was ignoring without
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realizing or didn't know where they are, my clients energetically started sharing more and
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I felt so much more confident and trusting in their healing process. And I
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think that really conveyed and met a difference. That doesn't mean there symptoms went
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and way, but I was, you know, there's like somebody holds your
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grip and then there's like a strong grip of not like I need to be
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your savior, but I got you and I know what we're doing. And
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then there's very clear boundaries. So that's when I feel like I start you
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know, people tell me, oh, you have a name or you have
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a gift, and I'm like, no, it's really just that I started
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doing my own work and I got better, like when I think when I
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started being able to grip and like I got you, like I'm not frightened
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by your symptoms. I'm getting good consultation. I'm learning about myself, which
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is not what I'm said to them. I think that's really what shifted.
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I think specific it was I just love the way you articulated that. And
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that's hard to do. Why is that hard to do? Why is that
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challenging for many therapists to do? Very scary, guy, it's really scary
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to look at ourselves in the mirror, especially, you know what I always
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say, At eighteen years old, I had everything figured out, like at
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least two. It's been a while since then, and like, and it's
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interesting I think that like becoming a therapist. Of course, I had a
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certain level of self awareness and wisdom, and I did learn some skills,
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but I think really looking at ourselves in the mirror, like being a parent,
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has been a very humbling experience. Like my child relationships in my life,
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parenting and many other ones have really been spaces and places that make me
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pause and make me stop. And I'm gifted to have some relationships that make
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me ask questions right and then owning like choices and processes. I think it's
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hard because it's it's scary. It's scary to look at m I don't know
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if it's I think it's uncomfortable. I think the unknown could be scary.
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But I think the little secret that I found for myself is that it's scarier
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or not too right. I think it's scarier not to know ourselves. I
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think it's scarier not to do the work. But I will also say that
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it's also I think a really lonely road, Like I find that I have
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my few people in the professional and personal world that like they have that emotional
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vocabulary or they've gone in their own journey of awareness, but a lot of
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people don't want to or you know, they haven't been called to it.
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But yeah, I think that sometimes look we come into the therapy world because
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we want to be helpers. Why would anyone want to go back to the
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place of vulnerability? Exactly right? Right? And there's and I think,
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you know what I have found and in my own experiences an inherent I think
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within the therapeutic relationship there's a an imbalance generally speaking, right, the therapist
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is up here, clients down here. The therapist is all this training,
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they have all this The client has come to the therapist with the idea that
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things are going to get better and it takes. And also important when within
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that is the therapist's ability to define their role, their goal. Why are
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they doing this? Like you said, you know you wanted to help and
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that has to be defined, clearly defined, because if the therapist is coming
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to a client saying, I'm going to take away your pain, right,
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I interviewed someone and they were and they said how they weren't talking to me
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specifically, but there, how dare you try to take someone else's pain away?
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That's not your job? And I was like, what your job,
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just as you were saying, esther, is to walk alongside them, to
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grasp, you know, to hold their hand and walk with them. It's
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a very different perspective and orientation, and like you're saying, it requires the
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ability to look at ourselves and that's that's hard. What I've got to look
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at my Wait, I'm here to fix you, so here to fix you.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think the being I think
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the being real with ourselves. Like luck, when we're in the field,
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we are to a certain degree, you know, awake to who we are.
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Obviously with varying degrees. Some of us have histories of the past or
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even more recently of things that are are difficult, right, Like people have
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health struggles or family dynamics or financial stories like and I think that there's this
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piece of like how am I holding my story right? And can I be
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very human in this process? And can I own my vulnerability while I own
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my clients? And of course they'll being like, you know, a skilled
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guide in the process because of course, like there's the boundaries and that clarity.
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But um, but I love that you interview those kinds of people of
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health. There you take away the pain. I think. Yeah, I
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think it was really early on when I was I didn't know anything, and
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you know, I thought that was a laudable goal desire to help take away
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someone's pain. You know, when this person said, when you have to
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realize when your clients steps into your room, they've begun their healing journey,
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yea long before they've entured your office, and you have to And I was
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just like, you know, I had no idea what the hell was going
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on. But this process of you know, you're talking a lot about being
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and being human and this is such a different approach, a different perspective.
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Um, how do you quote unquote teach or guide the people you work with
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to do that? To to to look at that, Yeah, I can't
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make it mandatory, like to only hire people out the practice whom who are
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in therapy, who have been in therapy at a very same time, the
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people who let's say are at the practice are people who I work with or
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who I feel confident you know, overseeing them their work and referring to are
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people who I know have consciously made the choice to get to know themselves and
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to get to know their inner worlds. And it's kind of this piece that
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I took from I guess that point in my life when I was looking at
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how can I really be useful or impactful and it was less about doing and
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it was more about being. But the being is actually harder than the doing,
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which I think many of us know in this thing called life. But
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I think what I what I often look at is this parallel process between like
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so I'm let's say, teaching, or I'm getting to know them and getting
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you know that there's this process of the human part of them, right like
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their own life, their own story. Then there's the professional them and honoring
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both of theirs. I always get curious about what's your why, Like why
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are you in the field, Well, what's your promise to yourself? Because
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I think we come into the field really first with a promise to ourselves and
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then second with a promise to the people that we work with. I think
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my promise to myself was really understanding and learning about the underpinnings of certain mental
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health struggles and giving myself knowledge and truth that I that wasn't out there met
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you know, many years ago, and and that's a gift that I've given
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myself. And also to connect myself with like very wise people, mentors,
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therapist, a therapist that has been incredible. Um So I think there's like
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promising, like are you along with your own integrity, with your own self,
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then with the clients you work with, because they feed off of each
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other. Right. Um, So it doesn't mean that you have to be
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in a perfect place in life and you know, have everything resolved, but
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there's a level of Yeah, I think like awakeness that you know when when
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when clients sometimes say, this person is so skilled, what is it?
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What's the training? What's the training? And often when I hear about the
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therapists who have the IT factor, the factor is that they hold themselves or
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they're honest with themselves and they've been through, um, just more realness and
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I think client and then we pick that up right. You know, when
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you talk to someone, you could tell how much they can hold, how
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much space they have capacity? One? Yeah? Yeah, so that's that's
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felt, that's awesome. I want to remind everyone that I'm speaking with Esther
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Goldstein. Esther, what's the best way for people to get in contact with
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you? My website it's Integrative psych that CEO. Okay, and what do
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you do? I mean I was U see clients? What else are you?
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Are you offering workshops or what else? Yeah? I do? I
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love workshops. Actually I was just invited to one UM there's a treatment center.
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They do workshops for therapists, so kind of like teaching therapists skills to
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use a real time in session with clients who are activated working with anxiety or
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trauma symptoms. I have a training that I have for therapists and online training,
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and I have a practice. Our practice is what I love about our
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clinical practice is that the therapists have a really range of services. We have
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a dance movement therapist to our therapists ones. Actually we're partnered with NYU with
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art therapy program because I really think that trauma healing and they're they're all trained
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in EMDRU and somatic and parts work, but I really find that healing happens
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in creative ways. I'm actually writing a book with new Harbinger and EMDR and
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anxiety, and my spec is like they're like esther quality EMDR for rebels,
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because I always say, like, you need to learn MDR, but then
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you have to know how to use it with parts work and it's not just
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like the generic EMDR. So I don't know if they're going to approve of
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that title, but so I'm working on that and yeah, that's how people
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can find me awesome. Now you mentioned an online course for therapists. Will
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give us some more specifics about that. Who's it for specifics? Yeah,
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so it's a trauma training So essentially I created like it's ten modules. It's
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an online training program for therapists or psychiatric nurse practitioners. Honestly, I had
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a few people. I had somebody from Iceland who's working at a drug treatment
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center and she was talking about raising awareness for her team, and then somebody
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who's working with veterans and with PTSD and opening her own center. It's for
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therapists who want to either refresh their knowledge and being trauma informed, or therapists
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who have learned about trauma or seeing clients and their practice, but they want
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to take them to the next level. So I'm not giving I mean,
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we're working on the CEU process for approval. It's a six month program where
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there's videos we go through like the making of a Trauma Therapist, no Younger,
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Why the history evolution, and then there's like assessments, interventions. There's
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a lot of exercises that include like somatic and parts work. Honestly, it's
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like a training that I needed ten years ago, and I just felt like,
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so there's a training aspect and then there's consultation. The community is,
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honestly, I think the most powerful piece how people get to know other therapists
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around the world, and they kind of even beyond the group. It's like
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just supporting each other and knowing that each other exists. So awesome. We'll
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help that linked up here at the show notes page at the traumat dis podcast
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dot com. Ester awesome, got to have you back again. I love
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talking to you. Thank you so much for being here. I'll look forward
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to it all right,