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Best of Chuck and Buck 10-23 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Some time.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning class, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, behold in producing six one guard from Brighton,
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  Speaker 3: Illanois and former high school basketball stand up, What in
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  Speaker 3: the hell does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: Don't jumped any conclusions. Not a god, You've gotta lower
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  Speaker 2: lower your expectations.
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  Speaker 4: Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
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  Speaker 5: I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
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  Speaker 5: just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's been a noticeable spike here your blood pressure.
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  Speaker 4: A five seven guard and a former college water polo
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  Speaker 4: and national champion.
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  Speaker 6: There's a lot of useless crap up here.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
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  Speaker 4: Ashley Ryan. What to you buy to La Loove casino
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  Speaker 4: resort and quill see the Creek Draft King sports book
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  Speaker 4: where the action never stopped.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, good morning to you.
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  Speaker 7: Welcome into the radio program called Chucking Buck in the
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  Speaker 7: Morning Sports Radio ninety three point three k j R F.
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  Speaker 7: M Ashley Ryan is here. My name is Chuck Powell.
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  Speaker 7: We do not have Bucky Jacobson, not today nor tomorrow.
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  Speaker 7: So it's uh, it's Ashley and I with you here
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  Speaker 7: for the next four hours.
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  Speaker 2: And that is fine, Bummy.
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  Speaker 7: Finally we got Bucky exactly, Finally we can talk about him.
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  Speaker 2: Get everything off our chest here.
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  Speaker 6: For the next four out want to say about him.
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  Speaker 7: There's no way that he's going to find out anything
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  Speaker 7: that we say about.
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  Speaker 2: Him on the radio. But man, we have been suppressing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of pent up anger and frustration.
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  Speaker 6: What's with the beard man?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up with just you know, all of the stuff.
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  Speaker 6: You're just like beard man?
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  Speaker 2: Why is he just that way? Yeah? Right, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: And then like sometimes when he does that thing, I.
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  Speaker 2: Know, dries me up a wall. I didn't know if
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  Speaker 2: you felt this.
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  Speaker 6: So glad we got to talk.
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  Speaker 2: About he had four hours to talk like this.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think that's all we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: Just air a bunch of dirty laundry. Speaking of dirty laundry,
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  Speaker 2: why does he always have dirty laundry? Oh my god?
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  Speaker 6: And he brings it in here clean, just.
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  Speaker 2: Stacks and stacks of it the studio.
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  Speaker 6: Just take it to the dry cleaners or something. Just
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  Speaker 6: take it out of the house and Kate thinks it's clean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, do that at your home. A home and a
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  Speaker 2: river wash the take.
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  Speaker 6: A washboard down there, and some so beautiful and then
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  Speaker 6: you can bring a spoon too and play some music.
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  Speaker 7: Uh so, yeah, a lot of that today. Welcome to
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  Speaker 7: the radio show we do. I mean I did have
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  Speaker 7: a certain agenda plan for today, but rarely do we
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  Speaker 7: at six o'clock in the morning have breaking news to
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  Speaker 7: discuss us. And this is some really juicy stuff, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: kind of disturbing stuff quite frankly, that we're going to
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  Speaker 7: start with here this morning, partly because this is very newsworthy,
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  Speaker 7: partly because I don't know when we're going to get
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  Speaker 7: another chance throughout the course of the show today to
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  Speaker 7: kind of chew on this, so we're going to lead
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  Speaker 7: with it here this morning.
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  Speaker 2: If you are just waking up, and.
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  Speaker 7: I know a lot of you are in the NBA,
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  Speaker 7: I mean two days into the season, for goodness sake,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, this couldn't come at a worse time for
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  Speaker 7: Adam Silver.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why couldn't we have done this in.
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  Speaker 7: The offseason and maybe we would have had time for
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  Speaker 7: this to die down, but instead, as you're just coming
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  Speaker 7: out of the gates and you're roaring and Victor winmbin
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  Speaker 7: Yama has a game for the Ages last night and
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  Speaker 7: inside the NBA shined last night on the network and
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  Speaker 7: the new television deal Michael Jordan debuts on NBC and
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  Speaker 7: their new package with the NBA. This hat story breaks
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  Speaker 7: here on this Thursday morning as two prominent members of
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  Speaker 7: the NBA, Miami heatguard Terry Rogier and even more prominent
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  Speaker 7: Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups, have both been arrested
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  Speaker 7: this morning as part of a pair of investigations related
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  Speaker 7: to illegal gambling. Sources told ESPN's Shams Sharanya. Rogier was
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  Speaker 7: arrested this morning at a hotel in Orlando. His team
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  Speaker 7: just played the magic last night, and Billips was arrested
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  Speaker 7: in Oregon as part of a separate but related illegal
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  Speaker 7: gambling case linked to an illegal poker operation tied to
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  Speaker 7: the mafia.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's something you want to be involved in.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, this according to ABC News. So, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 7: kind of strange that, if it's not connected, that they
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  Speaker 7: were both arrested on the same day. But obviously the
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  Speaker 7: FBI has been looking into this, and I'm sure in
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  Speaker 7: cooperation with the NBA, but also independently of the NBA.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure the NBA has been hit kind of between
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  Speaker 7: the eyes. I don't think the FBI has got to
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  Speaker 7: warn them, Hey, this is what we're gonna do. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: if it's if it's an operation that has been ongoing.
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  Speaker 7: Terry Rochier has been in the crosshairs of an investigation now,
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  Speaker 7: I mean for well over a year, so he's been
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  Speaker 7: He's already been investigated for this in the past. They
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  Speaker 7: knew that his hands were dirty to some degree. Obviously,
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  Speaker 7: whoever was investigating this didn't think that they had enough
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  Speaker 7: information to bring charges that they thought that they could stick.
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  Speaker 7: And it's very clear now, Ashley, that they do feel
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  Speaker 7: like they have enough information if they're busting down doors
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  Speaker 7: and arresting people in the National Basketball Association on gambling
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  Speaker 7: related charges. And I don't think this is this is
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  Speaker 7: just he made a bet with a bookie. No, this
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  Speaker 7: sounds like some really serious stuff that's going down in
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  Speaker 7: the National bat Bsketball Association. And it might not stop
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  Speaker 7: with just those two. Yes, So the NBA has to
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  Speaker 7: be braced here on the third day of operation of
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  Speaker 7: a brand new year, for several names coming out here.
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  Speaker 7: I would assume in the next twenty four to forty
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  Speaker 7: eight hours, so we might be in store for quite
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  Speaker 7: the news story here that's about ready to land in
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  Speaker 7: our laps.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the interesting part is that separate but related thing.
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  Speaker 6: I'm very intrigued to find out how these two situations
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  Speaker 6: are related. They are going to be doing a press
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  Speaker 6: conference at seven am our time, and all I heard
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  Speaker 6: this morning too was be prepared to hear a lot
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  Speaker 6: more names that you know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is not good.
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  Speaker 6: That is not good.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, we do operate in this world as sports
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  Speaker 7: fans that we sort of turn a blind eye to
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  Speaker 7: the possibility of this stuff. I mean we actually we
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  Speaker 7: know that it exists. We know that some people are
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  Speaker 7: probably dabbling. We hope that there is enough of a
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  Speaker 7: filter out there that if somebody's doing more than dabbling,
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  Speaker 7: that they are exposed at some point, and then we
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  Speaker 7: sort of brace ourselves for the possibility of a story
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  Speaker 7: like this that could make us question what.
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  Speaker 2: We've been watching for the last few years.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Tim Donneghee's story existed a few years ago and
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  Speaker 7: it's been a while now, But that's an official who
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  Speaker 7: sort of admitted that, Yeah, some refs are on the take.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, they're there, you know that we have.
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  Speaker 7: A little bit of gambling interest out there. And then
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  Speaker 7: they snuffed out Don again. We haven't heard him since then.
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  Speaker 7: We just got back to watching the NBA. But I
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  Speaker 7: don't think it ever truly leaves our brains. Is there's
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  Speaker 7: something fishy going on here. And so when you actually
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  Speaker 7: have to get the FBI involved because the NBA can't
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  Speaker 7: police it themselves, and then they create this kind of
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  Speaker 7: a story and this kind of a stir and it
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  Speaker 7: really does kind of hit home as sports fans like
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  Speaker 7: like how much of this goes on? Should I be
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  Speaker 7: investing that much in it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And truly like you know what have we been.
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  Speaker 7: Watching all of this time? That makes you feel good
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  Speaker 7: about being a.
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  Speaker 2: Sports fan for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 7: So stories like this and look, they make this too
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  Speaker 7: easy and that's the bottom line, the gambling part.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, think about the Terry Rogier story, like here's
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  Speaker 7: here's the background on this, and they've known this since
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  Speaker 7: twenty twenty three that he was in a game playing
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  Speaker 7: for the Charlotte Hornets at the time against the New
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  Speaker 7: Orleans Pelicans and right before the game started, a big
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  Speaker 7: surge of bets came in thirty wagers and forty six
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  Speaker 7: minutes from a professional better totaling thirteen seven hundred and
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  Speaker 7: fifty nine dollars. And it came in on the under
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  Speaker 7: that night for Rochier's points. Yeah, okay, so that.
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  Speaker 2: Was the fight.
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  Speaker 7: And this was back in twenty twenty three. It's twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty five. This is two and a half years later
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  Speaker 7: that they had to, you know, go around, investigate and
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  Speaker 7: get enough information to make it stick to actually arrest
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  Speaker 7: Terry Rochier. This isn't just the NBA.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, buddy, hold on, something did happen in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you may have been getting in with the wrong
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  Speaker 7: people and we need to protect you. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 7: this is the FBI saying Terry Rogier is the wrong person. Okay,
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  Speaker 7: he's the wrong people. He's part of the wrong people.
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  Speaker 7: And so think about.
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  Speaker 6: That though, because didn't he get injured or leave the game?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he left the game faking an injury. I mean
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  Speaker 7: this is what we read into it. Now, long before
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  Speaker 7: he could ever each the points, rebounds, assist totals that
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  Speaker 7: he was going to get for that game. So think
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  Speaker 7: about how easy that is for a player to do.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, and think about how we now, because of this,
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  Speaker 7: at least for the foreseeable future, are going to question
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  Speaker 7: every single person that leaves a game injured.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, And that's why the NBA can't stand in the
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  Speaker 7: way of this, get rid of everybody that is linked
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  Speaker 7: to it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not even kidding. No, this is not wrisk
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  Speaker 2: slapping time.
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  Speaker 7: This is where the NBA has just got to let
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  Speaker 7: the people who do this for a living do what
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  Speaker 7: they gotta do, set an example for everybody else so
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  Speaker 7: that they can convince their fan base that we are
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  Speaker 7: going to run a clean operation. And obviously there are
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  Speaker 7: entities out there that are difficult to control, and we
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  Speaker 7: can't monitor every single player, every single employee as closely
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  Speaker 7: as we want to and don't want to, and so
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  Speaker 7: these things are going to happen. But when they happen,
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  Speaker 7: when it does get exposed, boy, we aren't gonna just
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  Speaker 7: sit around.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is where you come in.
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  Speaker 7: And like Terry Rogier will never play in the NBA again,
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  Speaker 7: Chauncey Phillips will never coach in the NBA again, and
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  Speaker 7: whoever else comes out on this list, and I don't
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  Speaker 7: care how good a player they are either.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, baseball had.
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  Speaker 7: To do it once upon a time with shoeless Joe Jackson,
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  Speaker 7: and that was as good a player as they had
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  Speaker 7: in Major League Baseball at that time. And this is
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  Speaker 7: where you just come in and you've got to swing
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  Speaker 7: heavy acts here and just cut all of these people
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  Speaker 7: from your league so that you can assure the rest
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  Speaker 7: of your fan base that we've cut it out, we've
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  Speaker 7: cut the cancer out, and we've sent such a strong
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  Speaker 7: message that you don't have to worry anymore about what
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  Speaker 7: you're watching and whether it's on the up and up,
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  Speaker 7: because nobody is gonna make that same mistake knowing what
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  Speaker 7: the consequences are.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. No, and I agree. I mean, it's not like
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  Speaker 6: these guys were sitting around playing in little poker games
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  Speaker 6: in the locker room before a game. We're doing something
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  Speaker 6: after a game with their teammates, like something. You know,
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  Speaker 6: Chuncy Phillips was doing something involved with the Mafia, and
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  Speaker 6: then somehow that is related to whatever Terry Rozier was doing,
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  Speaker 6: and you would assume then something with sports betting and
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  Speaker 6: probably the Mafia involved. I don't know, but this isn't
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  Speaker 6: like some small time thing that these guys were just
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  Speaker 6: sitting around, you know, making bets with each other.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, this isn't like an office pool, right exactly, Like
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  Speaker 9: this is some serious you know what, and it's just
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  Speaker 9: to have it coming out this morning, and just you know,
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  Speaker 9: there's limited information.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna be very intrigued to hear what the what
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  Speaker 6: the FBI has to say.
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  Speaker 2: I think we yeah, I think we all are intrigued.
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  Speaker 7: And who else is gonna get listed in all of
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  Speaker 7: this and what other names are going to be joined?
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  Speaker 2: But honestly, like we.
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  Speaker 7: Have opened this thing up so broad, why is there
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  Speaker 7: even the ability to bet on Terry Rogier's assists for
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  Speaker 7: that night? Why is there even that ability out there?
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  Speaker 7: And look, I'm not sure trying to squash.
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  Speaker 2: You know, daily the daily wager? Yeah, I mean, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't affect me, It doesn't bother me.
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  Speaker 7: It obviously increases people's interests in sports, which is why
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  Speaker 7: the NBA and now even Major League Baseball and everybody
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  Speaker 7: is embracing this because it does create interest. It does
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  Speaker 7: create a completely different type of fan base. And man,
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  Speaker 7: people can put a five dollars wager down on whether
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  Speaker 7: show a Otani is gonna have more than one and
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  Speaker 7: a half total bases tonight and they're gonna go watch
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  Speaker 7: that game. Yeah, They're gonna watch all three hours of
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  Speaker 7: that game, or at least until Otani hits a double
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  Speaker 7: yeah and gets them their payday. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 7: just like we do. I always joke about with fantasy football.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, we have Thursday Night Football because the NFL
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  Speaker 7: knows fantasy football players if they have the kicker going tonight,
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  Speaker 7: which by the way, I do, Yes, if you have
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  Speaker 7: the kicker going tonight, that they're people are going to
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  Speaker 7: watch that wouldn't normally watch for three hours to see
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  Speaker 7: if Will Reiker can kick three field goals tonight for
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  Speaker 7: them and help them win in their fantasy league. So
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  Speaker 7: so I'm not I'm not trying to like squash the
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  Speaker 7: daily prop bets businesses that have popped up. I just
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  Speaker 7: think that maybe maybe we need to stop making so
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  Speaker 7: many of them. Yeah, I mean, well, because you're making
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  Speaker 7: it so easy for players to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who's even gonna blink?
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  Speaker 7: And I if Terry Rochier finishes the game with two
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  Speaker 7: assists or three assists, maybe you're not even gonna notice
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  Speaker 7: if he didn't deliver that pass. To the wide open
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  Speaker 7: teammate under the basket because he knew what his prop
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  Speaker 7: bet was and so he's just gonna dribble out the
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  Speaker 7: clock and oh man, I didn't see you, and just
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  Speaker 7: play it off that way.
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  Speaker 2: It is, it is.
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  Speaker 7: It just is a minefield out there that we've created
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  Speaker 7: to make it so easy for individual players to perhaps
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  Speaker 7: kick a bet. Somewhere along the line, I think maybe
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  Speaker 7: we need to curb that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, no, I would agree. I mean it's interesting because
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  Speaker 6: we'll look, you know, to make our picks and bets
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  Speaker 6: for factor fiction, and you have to scroll through ninety
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  Speaker 6: five prop bets at times of individual things. It's like
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  Speaker 6: there's so much more involved in a game to bet
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  Speaker 6: on than just the score. I mean, isn't necessary.
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  Speaker 2: It is not, It isn't necessary.
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  Speaker 7: And the fact that we've let it go to that
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  Speaker 7: specific that you could even bet on Terry Rochier's assists, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I mean that is something to me that the NBA
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  Speaker 7: should separate itself from. Yeah, Like, I'm not saying don't
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  Speaker 7: have daily prop bet services and companies. What I'm saying
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  Speaker 7: is the NBA, Major League Baseball, the NFL, they should
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  Speaker 7: all get together because they all have to work hand
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  Speaker 7: in hand and say we're going either trim down what
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  Speaker 7: you make available to a far less, far less extent,
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  Speaker 7: or we're going to separate ourselves from you. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: you control what what they do. You know, DraftKings, you,
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  Speaker 7: if you're the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball, and
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  Speaker 7: you work hand in hand, you own them. They depend
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  Speaker 7: on you, so you can call the shots. And so
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  Speaker 7: if you could just reduce it, but if you all yeah,
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  Speaker 7: if you go, oh, I mean one of them goes in.
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  Speaker 7: But if all of them go and forget about it,
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  Speaker 7: they wouldn't have any choice. But look how easy we
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  Speaker 7: make it. And then you have these offshore betting places.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, we talk about it all the time, but
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  Speaker 7: and and we sort of say it jokingly, but honestly,
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  Speaker 7: what is keeping the third cousin from Bad Bunny from
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  Speaker 7: finding out what the stop set is for his half
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  Speaker 7: time show and placing everything that they own on how
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  Speaker 7: long the set will last, or which song will be
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  Speaker 7: played first, or which song will be played seven?
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  Speaker 2: This is how specific that we've gotten with this.
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  Speaker 6: Or how long the national anthem will be?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, how honestly, like you didn't think that
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  Speaker 7: this was going to be taken advantage of. You didn't
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  Speaker 7: think that individual players, even head coaches, weren't going to
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  Speaker 7: take advantage of easy money. And that's what we've created.
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  Speaker 7: And so I'm not saying get rid of any of
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  Speaker 7: those things. I'm saying there are enough daily prop bets
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  Speaker 7: that you don't need to post. How many assists Terry
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  Speaker 7: Rogier is going to have in the first half.
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  Speaker 2: We don't.
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  Speaker 7: We should never be able to gamble on that. Ever,
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  Speaker 7: be able to gamble on that. Now, do you want
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  Speaker 7: to bet that is Wimby going to score twenty five
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  Speaker 7: points or more tonight?
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  Speaker 6: That's fine, Yeah, exactly if it's something that's yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: think that would show the success.
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  Speaker 7: But every individual player, on every individual roster that gets
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  Speaker 7: any amount of significant playing time that has a gambling
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: number attributed to them that night, and you think you're
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: going to be able to monitor all of that and
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: not have suspicious activity pop up. That's insane and so
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: shame on the NBA forever allowing it to happen, Shame
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: on the NFL forever allowing to happen. And I don't
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: care if we find out tonight that it's you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: Djokich who I love is the main culprit in all
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: of it and runs the entire operation and goes to
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: prison for the rest of his life. Shame on the
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: shame on our leagues for letting this get out of control.
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: And so I hope it is a giant mess tonight.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I really do.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: I hope that it turns into a major story where
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: major players are are called out for it and that
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: and now our leagues can start putting their arms around
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: this and fix it, because this story is going to
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: make us question every single injury going forward in every
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: single sport for a while, for a little while, not forever.
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: We'll get over it because we love sports too much.
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: But this is gonna make us question everything. And so
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: the NBA has just got to let the FBI.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Do its thing.
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: You need to put a red letter on every single
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: person that's involved in it and get them out of
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: the sport.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: That's what has to happen today.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, exactly. And I mean as a coach, to
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: think about what you could do. If there's you could
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: put a player on maintenance, right who is expected to
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: get over under a certain point, you could I mean,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: there's so many things that are involved in it easy.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: It is a fake, a foot injury, exactly, all of it,
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: like it's just your Your whole entire league is going
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: to be questioned if you don't take this absolutely seriously.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: And luckily right now the FBI is involved, so it's
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: impossible to not take it.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: Right, And so I'm sure Adam Silver's brace for some
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: really hard times here going forward, but this could be
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: a good thing. Let it happen, yep. And then this
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: sets an example for everybody else in the league and
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: for a while, I don't think you'll have to worry
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: about it. But it also will give you a chance
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: to assess why are we letting this happen? To begin with,
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: we are partner, We have advertisers, you know, DraftKings depends
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: on the NBA, not the way other way around, and
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: so we should be able to control what they make
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: available to bed On going forward.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: rest of the show.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: What's on TEP?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: What's on TEP?
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: Oh, my gosh, did Wemby dominate last night? There's no
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: faking that. Forty points, fifteen rebounds, three block shots and
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: no turnovers. It's only I think the sixth time it's
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: happened in NBA history that that stat line has been
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: put up. Unbelievable. We'll talk about it a little bit
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: later on this hour. Cracking are going to be at
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Winnipeg five pm. They're going to drop the puck on
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: that one. So Cracking versus Winnipeg five pm tonight as
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: the Crack and continue their road trip.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: They could use a win tonight.
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: Sounders will be starting their playoffs Monday against Minnesota United.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: That match will start at six o'clock. We'll have time
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: to talk about it tomorrow and Friday. Here on the
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: next Monday on the radio program Thursday Night Football. Tonight,
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: it'll be the Vikings at the Chargers. Mike Sando will
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: join us today at nine to thirty. Jayden Daniels is
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: out this weekend for the Washington Commanders. Lamar Jackson practiced
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: yesterday so he might be in this weekend for the
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: Baltimore Ravens and it might affect my factor. Fiction pick
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: today at seven thirty five, so we'll do that at
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: seven thirty five. Seahawks are on buy, but we haven't
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: had a twelve man roundtable in three weeks, so we
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: are going to unite Greg Bell and Hugh Millan again
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: today from eight to nine, and we will discuss the
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: Seahawks and everything that we haven't discussed the last couple
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: of weeks. Husky's in action Saturday at home against Illinois.
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: Softy joins us today at seven oh five to discuss it,
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: and of course everyone still has Mariners on the brain,
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: so we will have several segments today trying to make
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: sense of everything with the Seattle Mariners organization, including the
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: ABC's of the MS, which are going to come your
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: way next on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: point three KJRFM. Good because there are a couple of
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: things that I kind of want to get off my
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: chest about the Mariners, and he has just gotten in
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: the way.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Of that the last couple of days.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: So the ABC's of the MS will allow us to
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: talk freely here you and I Ashley with our listening
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: audience here today. And Q is four questionable, which I
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: do think at the very minimum, Dan Wilson had some
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: questionable calls, not just during the playoffs, not just in
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: Game seven, but throughout the course of the season. But
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: every manager does, there's no doubt about it. And I
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: would just say this, you know, because Bucky's had Dan's
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: back all season long, postseason, even yesterday. Now, he did
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: say that he would have kept Brian Who over Bizardo.
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: But Bucky's point was he didn't have a problem with
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: Bizardo getting the call in that situation where a lot
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: of people did. And I really I not only respect
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: Bucky's opinion, but I also respect that he's sticking to
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: his guns on even though everybody's saying. I remember when
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: Mark James started and he went in immediately on Geno Smith,
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: not realizing that really none of us at KJR were
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: sold on Geno Smith. We were all lukewarm at best
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: on Geno Smith. Mark thought he had a really original
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: take and he didn't. But I remember Christopher Kidd was
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: on Gino Smith, and I pulled Kid aside as the
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: veteran of this business, and I said, hey, I don't
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: agree with your take on Gino, but I'm glad that
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: you have your take on Geno, and I think you
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: need to support it because there are a lot of
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: Geno supporters out there and they want to have their
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: side of the story heard, and there aren't any here
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: at the station. Any guys that really like Geno. So
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: if you like it, don't make it up. No, I
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: don't want you to pretend just to be on the
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: other side of things. But hold your ground because it's
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: going to make you stand out. So I kind of
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: feel the same way about Bucky. Everybody's kind of bagging
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: on Dan, and Bucky continues to defend Dan. I think
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: he wouldn't as far as saying he thought Dan had
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: an excellent year this year.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I never did. I never did.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: I thought when we did our letter grades at the
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: end of the year, I think I gave him a
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: C minus when we started our when we did our
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: ranking how confident we were at certain areas. Of the Mariners,
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: that was the least confident, I think I gave him
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: a three on a scale from one to ten. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: felt that he was a little bit outmatched by aj
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: Hinch and the Tiger series, even though it was aj
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: Hinch's managerial decision that might have cost the Tigers beating
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: us and John Schneider I thought made some gaffes in
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: our series as well. So I don't think that Dan
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: had a terrible postseason. I don't think that the decisions
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: that he made. I think that the last one, the
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: one that we're talking about the most, was the most
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: questionable one of the entire time. But I do understand
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: that there's merits to all of the decisions that he made,
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: and there were reasons behind all of them. I would
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: have done a lot of things differently, especially with the
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: pitching decisions that were made throughout the postseason, including right
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: from jump. That was not the starting rotation that I
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: would have used against the Tigers when you had a
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: week off to set your rotation.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So there is a lot I question.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: I think there is a lot questionable, and I think
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: that going into this offseason, I don't think it's out
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: of the question that we might have a new manager
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: at the beginning of next year.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Actually, one of.
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: The things that I think Dan Wilson said, if I'm
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: going to take this job, I'm not going to be
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: micro managed.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make the decisions.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: And they just tabbed Dan as somebody that was a
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: great candidate any for being a manager, great temperament, already
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: had the respect of the players, bright guy always we're
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: going to have the players backs, which he did all
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: season long. Was going to be able to create a
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: good environment in the clubhouse, which I think he did.
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: I think a manager more manages the players and their
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: personalities more so, and he does make an impact with
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: game decisions. And I think Dan was probably good at
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: all of those manager things. But his game decisions I
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: thought were questionable all season long. So did a lot
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: of people. And I was worried Ashley that when he
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: got to the postseason that it could end up being
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: a problem, and I do now that I get further
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: and further away from it, I feel like it was
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: a bigger problem the more I think about it, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: certainly the decision to go to Bizarre to we're going
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: to debate for years.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's going to be. I mean, it's the
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: last memory we're left with really, as we were so
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: close to the World Series to think about, like what
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: could have been if you would have left in brian Wu.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Does that happen? But and that's normal I think for
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: any sports fan. I had a lot of questions. But
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: then I also have kind of taken it back and
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: thought to myself, well, if you left in brian Wu
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: and he gives up that home run, your question for
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: leaving in brian Wu? Yeah, he's yeah, you're gonna get
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: question either no matter what you do right. And it
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: is interesting because you said, you know, nowadays the the
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: manager is really you're more about the players and the
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: personalities and the things like that and not the game decision.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: So then I wonder how many of those questionable game
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: decisions were actually Dan Wilson decisions or part of the
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: plan that the team had come up with.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Well, to me, that was the problem.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: I think they had a strategy, and I think that
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: Dan didn't adjust to the situation in a pivotal game. Yeah,
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: he never managed the game seven before. I think he
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: had a fine strategy, which we've discussed numerous times. I
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: think he was planning on going George Kirby two times
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: through the lineup. If he got in any trouble, I'm
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: going to Gabe Spier to get him out, because relief
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: pitchers are used to coming in with guys on base.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: Then I think he was going to go for Brian
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: wu for one time through the lineup, and if he
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: was on a roll, he was going to stick with
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: him for three full innings, and if not, he had
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: Bizardo to back him up, and that's who he was
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: going to bring up because Bizardo's been good with guys
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: in scoring position or on base when he inherited runners.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: And then I think he was going to go Munnos
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: for two full innings as he was well rested, and if.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: He got in any trouble. Matt Brash is.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: The guy that has closed out games. He's the only
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: other one. Yeah, so we're gonna go to Matt Brash
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: in that situation if Munjos gets into trouble. I think
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: that was the strategy, and I think that's a fine strategy.
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: I think that's a really interesting strategy. But part of
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: being a manager is things happen in a game. The
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: timing is off, and you got to make decisions.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: We can't call Jerry and Justin and say, what do
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: the analytics tell us?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to be two three steps ahead of
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: this sucker. And when you saw.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: Springer and Guerrero do up fourth and sixth, yeah, and
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: that seventh inning, and it never crossed your mind to
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: get at least two guys up in the pen and
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: maybe your best reliever, you're all star reliever up because
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: this might be the last time we have to face
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: these two guys, and they're the only two guys that
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: we truly fear in the lineup. How you don't have
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: your best available to go at their best for one
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: final time in the series. I can find somebody else
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: to close out a game against the bottom.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Of the order.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean you had Castillo and Miller available to.
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: You had Castillo and Miller available to Randy Johnson once
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: closed out a World Series getting.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: A save for the Diamondbacks for goodness sake.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: So to me, that's the thing that I think was
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: the problem with Dan all season long, all postseason long,
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: and certainly in the most important moment, the elimination moment
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: in essence of the season is I think that the
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: game moved too fast for him. And sometimes you can
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: make up for that. Joe Tory was not a great
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: X AS and Os guy.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: He just wasn't.
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: But he was a master at managing player personalities, getting
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: the most out of individual players. My goodness, he turned
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: Felix Jose into an All Star back in his days
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: in Saint Louis. And you don't know that reference that
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: you out there listening, but trust me, that's a miracle.
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: And so but man, when he got to the Yankees,
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: he had Don Zimmer, smart, little Yoda don Zimmer sitting
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: next to him the entire time. Don didn't have the
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: chops to be a manager. He didn't want to deal
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: with the media, he didn't want to deal with the personalities.
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: He just wanted to be the fun, loving to But
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: when it came to game decisions, he had Yoda sitting
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: next to him telling him, all right, you know, being
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: two three steps ahead. So maybe it's not a situation
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: where Dan needs to be micro managed. We've seen Jerry
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: and Justin do it in the past. I don't think
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: they're very good at it. But maybe he needs a
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: better right hand man. Maybe maybe we need a don Zimmer,
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: somebody that's been there, done that before that maybe doesn't
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: want to deal with the media every day, but can
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: sit there next to Dan and tell him, all right,
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: this is coming up.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we got to think about this.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: We got to think about this. Yeah.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: And and really maybe that's the solution to it, because Dan,
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: after winning a division probably shouldn't be fired. But I
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: don't want to go through this again next postseason. I
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: don't want a manager that's slow on the draw next postseason.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: No, And I do think that our hope, I guess
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: I do hope that a lot of that had to
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: do with the fact that he's a first year manager
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: and you know, you're adjusting your learning things as you go,
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: and especially in playoffs. I mean, you've not not been there,
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: so how are you gonna know? Necessarily? But they I
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: think the organization could have been better prepared for that
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: to have him assisted in that situation.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't want to say this because I
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: just really liked the guy a lot, But Manny Acta
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: was supposed to be that guy. What has Manny act
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: approved as a manager in postseason baseball?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: He might not be the right guy.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'm not in the right position there maybe.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah. So anyway, it's gonna be debated for a long time.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: We're gonna talk more about it a little bit later
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: on in the show today because Bucky's not here and
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: it really gives me freedom, all right, coming up next, Man,
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: it was a game for the ages and it happened
• 31:42
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• 31:45
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• 31:48
  Speaker 10: Portland Trowblazer's head coach Chauncey Billups and Miami heat Guarteri
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: Rozier have both been arrested this morning Billups around six
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: am in Portland, Oregon, in Roseer around six am. I'm
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: told in Orlando where the heat we're playing. Last night,
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: Rosier has been arrested for his involvement in alleged sports
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: gambling prop bets and Billups. ABC News is reporting is
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: tied to an illegal poker operation tied to the mafia.
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: And so you know, the FBI has been investigating this
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: situation for several months, in Rosier's case at least two years,
• 32:26
  Speaker 10: and today is making arrests. There is a press conference
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: that is set by the FBI. This is really seismic
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: news in the NBA for a sitting NBA head coach
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: in Chauncey Billups to be an arrested taken into custody
• 32:39
  Speaker 10: for alleged illegal gambling, as well as Terry Rozier for
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: sports betting. Allegedly two arrests made this morning. There are
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: expected to be numerous arrests also tied to both of
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: these situations.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: Wow, wow, wow, I'm breaking news this morning before we
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: even got on the airway. Is that sham Sharanya breaking
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: the story? And also ABC News about Chauncey Phillips, Terry
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: Rogier arrested this morning as part of investigations related to
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: illegal gambling. Some other names expected to be revealed the later.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Other arrest to be made and probably within the NBA family.
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: So something to monitor and certainly something to discuss all
• 33:22
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• 33:25
  Speaker 7: But there's a lot of other things to discuss as well.
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: Chuck and Ashley with you. Bucky is out today. We
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: will have a twelve man roundtable a little bit later
• 33:33
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• 33:36
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  Speaker 7: They've lost back to back road games and they're still
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: on the road.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: They'll be in Winnipeg tonight.
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: The puck will drop at five o'clock against the Jets.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: The Sounders play Monday, the first playoff match of the postseason.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: They'll take on Minnesota United at six o'clock.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: It's Thursday Night football.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: The Vikings will be in La taking on the Chargers.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: Speaking of the National Football League, Lamar Jackson practiced yesterday.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: He might be in for this week's Baltimore game. Meanwhile,
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Jaden Daniels is certainly out for the Washington Commanders. The
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: Seahawks are on Buy Something. We'll discuss with our roundtable
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: guys at eight o'clock, and the Huskies are in action
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: against Illinois this Saturday, kickoff at twelve thirty. Of course,
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: David Softy Maller joins us every Thursday to talk some
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Huskies football, and lately he's had the ma Erranders on
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: the brain, and my guess is that he's but to
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: talk about his pent up thoughts because you haven't even
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: really had airtime this week, and to get it off
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: your chest.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I just want to talk about
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: which kJ our host is the most likely if any
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: of us would ever be arrested for our involvement in
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: an illegal poker ring.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know Mark James, which one would it be.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they think about that, Mark James.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: That's probably the guy after you. Yeah, right, that's what
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: I thought about. I won't say his name, but it
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: rhymes with March. I mean, it's so easy, Like why
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: am I even bothering asking the question?
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: WHOA? How about that for a story though?
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: My yeah, well, you know, I don't know, man.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: I just kind of feel like people will come out
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: and say, what's the big deal, it's just a little poker. Well,
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know, man, it feels like it goes a
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: lot deeper than that. But whatever the rules say. If
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: you're a head coach in the NBA, if you're an
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: NBA player, if you're a college basketball player, and they
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: you know, the n CUALEA just announced was it yesterday
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: or this morning or whatever, that players are now allowed
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: to bet on pro sports college athletes are as.
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: You know that.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I did not know that they just changed that rule.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: And not two days later, Chauncey Billups and Terry Rogier
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: are getting busted.
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: So that's great. You know, whatever the rules say you
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: can do, you can do.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: If they say you can't do something, then stop bitching
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: about it and stop doing it, or get the.
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: Hell out of that league, for God's sake.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: So I don't know, man, what a wild story, but
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: a nice temporary distraction from the sadness that is still
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: set in and it's still very much prevalent after Monday night.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: You know, God, I feel like, was it old school
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: when Will Ferrell got shot in the neck with a
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: tranquilizer dart and fell into the pool.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: His life is just falling apart. He's getting divorced, He's
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: a miserable bastard, direkness mal o friend is just playing
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: in the background.
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: That's the way I felt since Monday night. Man.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I haven't chatted with you, but you do seem
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: more just sad than angry.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: That's exactly it. And that's the way I felt since
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: since Monday night, that this is something that we've been
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: dreaming about for fifty years in this town.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: You know, the Mariners became a thing when I was
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: four years old, and ever since then I've been waiting
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: and hoping and dreaming about a world series and was
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: able to accomplish as a fan, I guess pretty much
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: everything else there is to do in a lot of ways, right,
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: you know, with the Sonics and the Huskies and the Seahawks,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: And this is the one thing that we haven't crossed
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: off the list. And it's the one thing that you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: growing up, you're kind of told indirectly by the actions
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: of a franchise that this isn't for you. You know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: this is for the Cardinals, or this is for the Yankees,
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: or this is for the Red Sox or the Mets
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: or somebody else, and it's not for you. And all
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, you're fifty two years old and you're
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: eight outs away. And I don't know about you, Chuck
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: and Ashley, but eight outs away, I started to foolishly
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: allow myself to kind of start to think that maybe
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: this is actually happening. And then it all fell apart,
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: and it's just an absolute crusher beyond crusher, you know.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, I may change my mind and six
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: months or a year, five years from now, but compare
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: this to to Kenba, compare this to Malcolm Butler all
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: those other you know, just completely heartbreaking moments that we've had.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: It's number one for me right now, number one on
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: my list.
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: If there is something that you're angry about from the
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: way it ended, what is it?
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: You know, I gotta be honest with you, Chuck. I
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: really am having a hard time conjuring up the anger emotion.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: And I guess if there was anything, it would be.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: You know, why couldn't Dan Wilson just have done what
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: everybody wanted him to do in that game and keep
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Kirby in there, go to Brian Wu and then go
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: to Andress Munno's yeah, and just finish it out. But
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I'm just so there's just so much sadness right, there's
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: just so much heartbreak over all of that that I
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: haven't even gotten to that stage yet. I mean, you
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: tell me, right, you're the psychiatrist here, you tell me.
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: Is it is it grief before anger? Is it anger
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: before grief? I don't know. Maybe I'm doing this backwards man.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, well, uh number one. As your psychiatrist, I
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: don't think there's any helping you.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So just say that.
• 39:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah, the rest of my life, and I should accept that. Yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: No, I just I figured, I mean, I know I
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: know that you didn't exactly like the decision by Dan Wilson.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: I think he struggled with game decisions throughout the course
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: of the year. I think he's very strong in other areas,
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: and those other areas are very important, like you know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: getting the most out of your players and having a
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: great clubhouse, and you know, and I think he had
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: a good game plan coming into the game. Kirby Woo
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: to Munos, I think was the game plan. But it
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: really is hard for me to believe that either he
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: or somebody else in that dugout didn't see that. Hey,
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: do you know we might have to face Springer and
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: Guerrero only one more time before this game comes to
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: a close, and let's make sure we have either our
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: best starter on the mound, which they already had, or
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: our best reliever up and ready to face them when
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: the time comes. And for that not to even be
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: a thought to look out to the bullpen and there's
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: one dude out there and it's Bizardo. To me, that
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: was you had a great game plan, but you did
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: not You did not react well to how the game
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: was unfolding.
• 40:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Well, and look, I mean we can also argue that
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: it never should have gotten into game seven in the
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: first place, you know, and you know, what have we've
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: been saying for years about this rotation?
• 40:58
  Speaker 11: Just get in and you know, watch these guys just
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: work their magic.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: And I was I don't know about you, but I
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: was pretty much woefully, you know, unimpressed by the rotation
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: in the postseason. Yeah, thought they'd be a lot more
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: dominant than they were. Maybe that's unfair, but you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: I'm looking at what the Dodgers are doing with what
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: they got going on right now, and I mean that's dominance.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: That is absolute, unbelievable, elite dominance and maybe one of
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: the best postseason rotations we've ever seen, to be honest
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: with you, in LA And I, foolishly, I guess, thought
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: that we had something like that, and we don't either
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: a because the baseball team doesn't allow it to, you know,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: develop into that in the postseason. When you're yanking guys
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: out after four innings or three and two thirds and
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: one sign of trouble, you're jumping off the ship. I
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: get it, you know, but that to me is one
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: of my biggest kind of disappointments. Sure, I thought these
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: were guys that we could count on to be elite
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: and they were not.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and you had the chance to set the rotation.
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: He had a week off to make sure that you
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: had exactly who you wanted to pitch in the exact
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: situation that you wanted them to pitch in.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And you're right.
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: You know, you think back to Games four and six
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: and how poorly the team played. So you're right, we
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: can't just boil it down to one decision that had
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: some merit to it because Bizardo was excellent all season
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: long with inherited runners on base.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: We can't boil it down to that one decision.
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: There were opportunities earlier in the series to put the
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: Blue Jays away.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: You know what, I'm glad you said that because and
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: that's why I just look, I would not have done
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: it the way Dan did it. I would have done
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: it the way you're talking about doing it. But to
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: just if we're being fair, to just dismiss the idea
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: of going to Bizardo out of hand and just saying
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: this is the most ridiculous, idiotic.
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: Thing, I don't think that's fair.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that there are reasons that make a
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: lot of sense why Dan Wilson would have gone to Bizardo.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: There including as you said, his strand eight during the year,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: and we talked about this on Tuesday Morning show that
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: if he gets the job done there, which nobody would
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: have been surprised, right if Bizardo got the job done,
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: and that seventh inning, We're sitting there probably on Tuesday morning,
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: and you're on the postgame show on Monday night saying
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: where would this team.
• 43:18
  Speaker 11: Be without BIZARREDA yeah, yeah, and the job he's done.
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: You know, this guy was the mop early in the year.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: We used to call him the mop because he would
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: come in when the games are out of hand and
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: he was just part of the cleanup crew. And now
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: he was a vital part of your bullpen. So I
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: think there is merit behind Dan Wilson and what he did.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: But like I said, Chuck, you just to kind of
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: go back to the beginning the anger stage. Has I
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: haven't even touched the tip of the anger stage yet, dude,
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: because I'm just so freaking bummed out about what happened
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: on Monday.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Understand understandable, no question about it.
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: Softy's with us Thursdays with Softy right here on chugging
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: back in the morning. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Well,
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: our remaining time, have you been able to any of
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: your thoughts toward Illinois?
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: This says yes, this unbelievable, legendary long time rivalry between
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: U DUB and Illinois that goes back about a year
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: and a half. Actually we had them in the Rose
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Bowl about forty years ago, so for longtime Husky fans,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: I guess you kind of remember moments like that. But
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, dude, they got they got five games
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: left to go where they can really decide if they
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: want to be a nine win team or maybe you know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: a six or a seven win team.
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: Ucla perdue Wisconsin.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I think those are all games that Washington
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: should win. I know UCLA is playing better as of late,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: but those are three games. I think udub's gonna have
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: better talent, they've had better coaching, and they should win
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: those games. I don't know if you've been kind of
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: tracking what's happening at Wisconsin, but they want Luke Fickles
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: head on a stick ye out there right now. It's
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: unbelievable how much crap he's taken from his fan base.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: And I'm kind of bummed out because we're gonna actually
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: go out there in a couple weeks, and I was
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: looking forward to seeing what that atmosphere fel feels like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: looks like, and I'm kind of thinking it won't even
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: be you know, a shell of what it normally is
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: out there. So that that's eight wins and then this
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: game right here on Saturday. Hey, you know Wilner has
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: been tracking the stats. You know, teams going multiple time
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: zones east or West in the Big Ten have not
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: fared well at all straight up and against the spread.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: So I think you Dubs in a good spot coming
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: off a kind of embarrassing game at Michigan where they
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: didn't play very well. The offense fell apart and puked
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: all over itself in the second half with those turnovers.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: And now they're coming back home with a chance to
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: get another big win and maybe shoot for a nine
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: or you know, if not a ten win season, maybe
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: in a bowl game.
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: So this is a crucial game for Jetfish.
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and speaking of him, I mean the way he's
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: conducted his career, you know, kind of bouncing from program
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: to program. He's an easy target, he is bouncing. Yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: He's an easy target for any kind of trade. Trade rumors,
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: coaching vacancy rumors that are that are out there as
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: flagship for the Huskies football. Here Kjar as the kind
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: of the face for our coverage of the Huskies.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: On Kjar, I mean.
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: You talk, You're gonna be talking about this team for
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: four hour pregame this Saturday, and you're I mean, how
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: are you treating the Jetfish rumors and how much substance
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: are you giving them?
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think there's you got to talk about it, right,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is Look at the guy's resume. I mean,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, look or not, I'm just not going to
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: ignore reality. I mean, Jetfish even I think he was
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: either at his press conference or it's some later point
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: in time, he's even admitted it. Look, I've moved around
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: a lot, and he gets it. You know, he understands
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: what his resume looks like here. You know, he comes
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: out with a visor as an homage to Steve Spurrier.
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: He graduated from Florida.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, obviously the guy's got a desire to
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: go to the NFL, and he's probably got a big
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: desire at one point in time to be the head
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: coach of the Florida Gators. It doesn't mean that while
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: he's here, he's not going to do a good job.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: I think there's absolutely, though, a reason for Husky fans
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: to wonder, you know, what Jetfish's future looks like.
• 47:07
  Speaker 11: Both long term and short term. You know.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, we're in a day and age where players
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: are moving around like crazy, coaches are moving around like crazy.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: That's why I love the signetti thing, by the way
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: so much when he stayed in Indiana, thought it was
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: great for college football that he stayed there at that spot.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: But this idea that we can just ignore Jetfish's history
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: and Jetfish's resume and his status that is kind of
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: a vagabond, I think is crazy. So I think he's
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: doing a fine job right now while he's here, but
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: I think just to ignore that is absolutely nuts.
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: All right, So I think maybe the key to beating
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: Illinois is to not wait till the second half to
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: get the offense going.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do that, and let's also get Joonahcomon going.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's at seven straight Big Ten games where
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: he hasn't had one hundred yard day, Which is weird
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: to say that about a guy that we thought would
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: be a potential first team All Big ten maybe all
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: American running back. I mean, the guy's averaging four Big
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: ten games, is averaging three and a half yards of carry,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: which is not good enough for No, not for Jonah Coleman,
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: not for one of your highest paid players on the
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: football team, which is still weird to say, by the way,
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: four years ago, Yeah, it would have been arrested for
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: something like that. But that's not good enough, you know,
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: And I don't want to just use the injuries chuck
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: to the offensive line to explain it away, right, I mean,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: are we going to sit here and really say that
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Carver Willis and John Mills, who's a pure freshman guard,
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: are the reason why the Huskies can't run the ball? Really,
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: because I thought Jonah Coleman was a guy that could
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: run through contact and he would, you know, the run
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: game would travel against anybody, no matter who they played,
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: they'd be able to run. Look, I'm not just ignoring
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: the fact that those guys are hurt, and that's a
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: big that's a big problem. But they got to get
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: him going. I don't care who's on the offensive line.
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: All right, man, thank you very much for joining us.
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: We appreciate it. Sorry, I know that I know you
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: were so close to tasting something you've dreamed about your
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: whole life. I was thinking about you that whole evening
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: and all week long. So people like you and Ashley
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: that just want to want to relive this dream. So
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: you're going to someday. I know you don't want to
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: hear it right now, but you're going to.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: So yeah, well, you know we thought that thirty years ago.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah that ninety five run here, and here we are
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: thirty years later, still waiting for it. So that's the
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: worst part, dude, is having to go back to the
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: beginning and starting all over again.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, man, we'll talk to you soon. All right, Bud,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: there he is.
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: David Softy mall are the one the only joining us
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: right here. Every Thursday on Chuck and Buck, we're gonna
• 49:33
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• 49:38
  Speaker 7: on the big breaking news this morning. Sports Radio ninety
• 49:40
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• 49:52
  Speaker 7: have reassembled the team.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: For the most part. Bucky's not here, but.
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: We do have our experts every Thursday for an hour
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: most Thursdays, they join us for the twelfth Man Roundtable.
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: R QB one You Millanus with US. Our Seahawks insider
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: Greg bell Is with US. It is bye week, but
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: by gum, we're going to talk some Seahawks football for
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: an entire hour here today. And so we kind of
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: finished off talking about a couple of the deficiencies of
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: this team and still not being able to establish the
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: run this season, injuries in the secondary, a pass rush
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: that disappeared against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: But boy, here, you cover up a lot.
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: Of warts when you've got the number one rated quarterback
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: in PFF and you've got the number one wide receiver
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: by two hundred yards in the National Football League, Sam
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: Darnald and JSN. I think, in an honest moment, John
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: Schneider has to admit they're even better than I thought
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: they were going to be.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.
• 50:50
  Speaker 12: And you look at the yards per attempt, Sam Donald
• 50:55
  Speaker 12: number one, yards per completion number one in and then
• 51:00
  Speaker 12: when you go percentage of completions that are ten or
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: more yards, Sam Donald's number one at fifty eight percent.
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: I'm gonna mention number two for obvious reasons. It's Michael
• 51:10
  Speaker 12: Pennix at fifty two point one percent. The gap between
• 51:15
  Speaker 12: one and two is greater in the gap between two
• 51:18
  Speaker 12: and seven. That again, you know, so he's pushing the
• 51:21
  Speaker 12: ball down the field that I actually had in the
• 51:23
  Speaker 12: stat portal that I actually the NFL has a They
• 51:28
  Speaker 12: have a category called checkdown. His checkdown percentage, now that
• 51:34
  Speaker 12: would be subjective. That's somebody going through and he is.
• 51:38
  Speaker 12: He's thirtieth so meaning meaning he he had out of
• 51:43
  Speaker 12: thirty two quarterbacks, he's checking down almost the least. His
• 51:48
  Speaker 12: off target percentage. Here's another one. The average in the
• 51:51
  Speaker 12: NFL is ten point four percent of quarterbacks have off
• 51:56
  Speaker 12: target and even with Donald pushing the ball, the degree
• 52:00
  Speaker 12: that we're talking about his off target percent is six
• 52:02
  Speaker 12: point three percent. That's number two in the NFL. Like you,
• 52:07
  Speaker 12: just the longer you pore over the stats, the more
• 52:10
  Speaker 12: you're looking. Said, this guy's having a hell of a season,
• 52:12
  Speaker 12: and JASN, what can you say? I thought there might
• 52:15
  Speaker 12: be a concern whether he could win on the outside
• 52:19
  Speaker 12: to the level that he was winning on the inside.
• 52:21
  Speaker 12: I thought he's an elite inside guy, but maybe just
• 52:25
  Speaker 12: kind of slightly above average outside. Well, I can kind
• 52:29
  Speaker 12: of table that concern for a long time because he's
• 52:33
  Speaker 12: just shown he can do it all. I think the
• 52:36
  Speaker 12: only concern Greg is that that if when I envisioned
• 52:42
  Speaker 12: the Seahawks reaching their ultimate potential and whatever that means,
• 52:46
  Speaker 12: and obviously we're talking about how that might play out
• 52:48
  Speaker 12: in January and maybe even hopefully February. February, I just
• 52:54
  Speaker 12: I cannot get my arms around that this is the
• 52:57
  Speaker 12: best ratio when when you had JSN had fourteen targets
• 53:01
  Speaker 12: the other night and Cooper Cup had one at the
• 53:04
  Speaker 12: other starting receiver, I don't think they're realizing their highest potential.
• 53:08
  Speaker 12: So that would be my one concern in the passing game.
• 53:10
  Speaker 12: Is it too much JSN centric?
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: And when you ask Darnold about that, he says, these
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: are my progressions. I asked him why he threw on fourth.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: And one on a rollout.
• 53:22
  Speaker 8: He had Barner in the flat in the third I
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: think it was the third quarter against Houston, had Barner
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: in the flat, and then he had JSN on an
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: eighteen yard out route. He threw the eighteen yard out
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: route and converted it and they got a touchdown in
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: that drive.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I think it was a touchdown on drive.
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: I was watching two games at once that night. So
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: the point is he's going to Smith and Jigbey even
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: when the play, I mean, most quarterbacks are going to
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: throw the three yard out route there.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: He said, on that.
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: Particular play, he thought the linebacker would tackle Barner immediately
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: and he had less of a chance of getting the
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: first down than Jasn beating his guy. Smith and Jig
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: was beating every coverage. They've seen shell, they've seen double cover,
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: they've seen man, they play zone. They're shading and rolling
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: coverage to his side, backside. They've been throwing the JSN.
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: He's going out of his way to throw to Smith
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: and Jig, but regardless of formation, regardless of coverage, regardless
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: of pressure, and so far it's winning. But the disparity
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: that Hughes talking about. The coaches are aware of it
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: and they're trying to even that out somewhat. But the
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: guy who's making the decisions throwing the ball doesn't care
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: about that. He's just going with what he sees as
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: progressing in his best chance to complete a pass. It
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: is an interesting down the line defenses are going to
• 54:39
  Speaker 8: scheme that way and to see if they can tilt
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: the tables completely in coverage against Smith and Jig, and
• 54:46
  Speaker 8: if Darnold's still going to throw that way. That is
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: a cat and mouse game that may rear itself when
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: they play the Rams twice and the forty nine ers
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: coming up. But so far, it doesn't matter what coverage,
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: it doesn't matter what situation Darnold's deciding he's throwing to
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: Smith and Jiggba. They especially do it. I don't have
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: the numbers in front of me, just anecdotally. They especially
• 55:07
  Speaker 8: do it on sudden change. You'll notice when they get
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: stops on turnover, on downs or interceptions and fumbles, they
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: take deep strikes with Smith and Jigba almost every time.
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: They did it four different times against Houston, and they
• 55:21
  Speaker 8: had a lot of opportunities because Houston went for fourth
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: downs three times and missed it. They went right to
• 55:26
  Speaker 8: Jasen down the field on the quick strike after the
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: sudden change. It's it's kind of like the old Pete
• 55:33
  Speaker 8: Carroll defense around here. We're gonna tell you exactly how
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: we're doing it. We're gonna do it. Try to stop it,
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: you can't stop us, and that's what they're doing with
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: jas Center and now.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: Well, it's interesting because I remember Hugh like the NBA
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: used to be about like balance the floor. Everybody can
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: shoot and then all of a sudden, this guy named
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: Michael Jordan came around, and they're like, why we want
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: everybody to shoot when we just want him to have
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: the ball, and then let's just get four complimentary pieces
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: around him. And if he wants to shoot every time,
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: he can shoot every but we're gonna trust him to
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: throw it to the open man. You really haven't never
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: had that advantage in the National Football League. I'm with you,
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: like with the balance, But I just heard Gronk say
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: Saturday man, Jamar Chase is getting targeted twenty three times
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: in a game and it worked out for the Bengals
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: on Thursday night. Justin Jefferson should get targeted twenty three
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: times a game as well. And I'm starting to wonder
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: if Jsen is not in this category with Jamar Chase
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: and with and with Justin Jefferson, and maybe Sam should
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: be throwing him the ball every single time that he's open.
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: What do you think about that?
• 56:33
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think there's some truth to that. And look,
• 56:37
  Speaker 12: I've there's a lot of layers to this discussion. The
• 56:40
  Speaker 12: play that Greg references that on the fourth down, Yeah,
• 56:44
  Speaker 12: he had Barner on what's called a slip route where
• 56:46
  Speaker 12: he's going. When they snap the ball, he's behind the guard.
• 56:49
  Speaker 12: So by the time he gets out to the flat
• 56:51
  Speaker 12: in man to man coverage, that guy's waiting for him.
• 56:53
  Speaker 12: So I'm not surprised. I mean, tell me, the greatest
• 56:56
  Speaker 12: tight end receiving Kellen Winslow as prime wasn't going to
• 57:01
  Speaker 12: be open on that play and j s N one
• 57:03
  Speaker 12: on that play. That's absolutely true, and we're seeing a
• 57:06
  Speaker 12: lot of that. But I watched the tape and there
• 57:11
  Speaker 12: are are times where Tory Horton is wide freaking open
• 57:17
  Speaker 12: on a dagger route and Cooper Cup has been open
• 57:22
  Speaker 12: as well. I think even from a play calling standpoint,
• 57:26
  Speaker 12: having UH.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Thrown just throwing, just throwing the.
• 57:29
  Speaker 12: Ball out in the flat or a wide receiver screen,
• 57:32
  Speaker 12: to me, like, if I throw a wide receiver screen,
• 57:35
  Speaker 12: I'm not gonna throw it to JSN usually because that's
• 57:38
  Speaker 12: an opportunity for those to go. And I just i'd
• 57:40
  Speaker 12: compare it to the US nuclear strategy, the strategic doction
• 57:44
  Speaker 12: UH of the Triad. Greg you're in the military, you
• 57:47
  Speaker 12: know you go. You want to have a third of
• 57:49
  Speaker 12: your your arsenal in in in ground based ICBMs, A
• 57:54
  Speaker 12: third of your arsenal in in subs and a third
• 57:56
  Speaker 12: of your arsenal in bomber base, which are retel but
• 58:00
  Speaker 12: at least in the event that that the Soviets or
• 58:04
  Speaker 12: somebody else knock out one of those phases, you still
• 58:07
  Speaker 12: have two other robust phases. And so I don't want
• 58:11
  Speaker 12: to come in in January and be doing a postgame
• 58:14
  Speaker 12: where we lose nineteen to thirteen in a playoff game
• 58:20
  Speaker 12: and a team figured out how to corral JSN and
• 58:24
  Speaker 12: and you hadn't developed the cohesion and the ability to
• 58:31
  Speaker 12: get production out of those other receivers, including the tight ends.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: So that would be my concern.
• 58:36
  Speaker 12: Look, look, if they're if they're not going to roll
• 58:38
  Speaker 12: the coverage to them, they're going to give them single coverage.
• 58:40
  Speaker 12: And on that play that Greg describes, Greg is absolutely right,
• 58:44
  Speaker 12: and Sam Darnold's absolutely right. Was man and man coverage,
• 58:48
  Speaker 12: Barner's covered in the flat, throw it to JSN on
• 58:54
  Speaker 12: the out route. But I think as a comprehensive idea,
• 58:57
  Speaker 12: I'll stand by I think that they need to change
• 58:59
  Speaker 12: thence a little great.
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: It's to do that, though, right, because I mean, Donald
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: is leading the league and everything, and he's this wildly
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: successful quarterback doing it this way, I could see intrinsically,
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: why even if coach is telling him to do it,
• 59:13
  Speaker 8: why when he's actually throwing the ball in games, he won't.
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: Like having a hot hand, Like why should I stop
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: shooting thirty five footers I'm hitting I'm hot.
• 59:22
  Speaker 12: Well, there there are times where there was fairly significant
• 59:26
  Speaker 12: intermediate completions to be had that are fairly easy.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: That he said, well, well, whoa, whoa.
• 59:32
  Speaker 12: If you're if you're just doing quarterback one oh one,
• 59:36
  Speaker 12: the matchup, the coverage where it is, you'd say, take
• 59:41
  Speaker 12: a look at Horton on that eighteen yard dagger. It's
• 59:44
  Speaker 12: wide ass open. It's a laying you know. So I'm
• 59:48
  Speaker 12: mostly on it. Look, if i haven't made myself clear,
• 59:52
  Speaker 12: I'll say it again. I love Sam Donald as a quarterback,
• 59:55
  Speaker 12: as a guy, as the leader of this team, as
• 59:57
  Speaker 12: a toughness as he's pushing the ball down the field.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 12: I am not here to criticize Sam Darnold. I'm loving
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 12: what I'm seeing as a Seahawks fan. I'm just trying
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 12: to say, hey, you're always trying to reach your highest potential,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 12: right and and to just say well, we're good, let's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 12: not try and improve. That's not gonna get you a championship. Usually,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 12: that's not what Super Bowl teams do, is sitting there
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 12: say we're good. No, you're always looking to try and
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 12: get better. And I think they can be a little
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 12: better on offense, score a few more points, and be
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 12: even better in the passing game with.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: It just a little bit of a tweet, A little
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: bit of a tweet.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fourteen, I'll say that we get
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 13: that Ratios Cup twice.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Here mel at Greg Mell with his twelfth man round Table.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: I still want to talk about what looks to be
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: a breakout star for the Seahawks. All and our last
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: segment together, and I'm sure we got some other things
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: to Sports Radio ninety three point three kh A RFM
• 1:01:15
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• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: know those round table guys.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: But a blah blah blah blam.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: It's Chuck Pallet's Ashley Ryan with you here on this Thursday.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: No Bucky Jacobson today, ed take a couple of days off.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: We're gonna have Mike Sando join us at nine thirty
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: here today to preview Thursday night football. Also get his
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: thoughts on the Seahawks here at the bye But in
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: the meantime, I know a lot of people still have
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: Mariners on the brain. I'm trying not to overdo it,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 7: but it is still kind of what I want to
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: talk about all the time.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: It's all that anyone's talking to me about.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: I even had a moment where I've even gotten sick
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: of talking about baseball, believe it or not, like the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: off there, not during the shows. The shows is where
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: I want to do it. But I even went and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: got sushi yesterday and ended up in an hour conversation
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: about where Dan went wrong.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I was getting that yesterday. What do
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: you think? And I was like, I don't know. My
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: brain still hurts, my heart still hurts.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: It's not that I don't love it.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: And I dove right back into the conversation with my friend.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: But nonetheless, I mean, I've just pretty much talked about
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: baseball for nothing but two weeks.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: And yet here we go again, because I'm going to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: title this segment manage Angerment.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: Like that, because there are a lot of strange things.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: There are some odd things going on right now in
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 7: Major League Baseball in terms of the managerial hirings that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: have taken place. And so I'm just going to start.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: I'm just going to throw this out and then I'll
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: explain why I'm throwing it out. Is it out of
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: the question that Dan Wilson is not back next year?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: And it's certainly nothing that I would wager on that
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: he wouldn't be back next year. But I also don't
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: think it's out of the question. And I'll get to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: that here in my own peculiar way. All Right, this
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: has been a strange hiring period in Major League Baseball.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: Number One, the Giants just hired a college baseball coach,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: Tony Vittello.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: He was very fun.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: He's fairly very fun. But nobody knows how this is
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: going to work. This has not happened since like nineteen eighty. Yeah,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: that somebody, this happens all the time in college football
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: and in college basketball. That a really great coach is like, hey,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: you want if you ever thought about coaching in the pros.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, Mike Krzyzewski was rumored for thirty years to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: go to the pros and he never did. So it
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: happens all the time. That's not news. This is news
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: that somebody would hire somebody was just I mean, Pat
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: Murphy was a college manager and then but he sat
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: on the bench with Craig Counsel in Milwaukee for years,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: and then when Craig Counsel jumped over to Chicago, they
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: asked Pat Murphy if he wanted the job, and he
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: felt he'd learned enough about the major league games sitting
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: there being the right hand man for Craig Counsel.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Thought he was still young enough, so he took the job.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: But to go with a young, like forty year old
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: college baseball coach and make him a manager of a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: major league team hasn't happened in nearly fifty years.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, and so that's crazy.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: Kurt Suzuki got hired by the Angels on a one
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: year contract. Can you imagine that? A one year contract?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: I mean that they always, yeah, talk about prove it.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: They always talk about like, well, I can't be on
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: my last year of my contract. No, the players will
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: take me seriously. And here are the Angels saying, we'll
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: hire you, but we don't really believe in you. So
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: one year, prove it or you're out. Yeah. He signed
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: quite a few people too, a lot of people, Yeah,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: including Albert Pooles and Tory Hunter, Angels.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Legends, So that's weird.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: There there's a chance Scott's Service could be a manager
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: next year. He's being interviewed everywhere. Wouldn't it be strange
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: if Scott Service is managing somewhere next year in Major
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: League Baseball.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: And Dan wasn't.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, now I don't think that that's going to happen,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: but I guess I'm pointing out stranger things are happening.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: And look, we are in a championship window and we've
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: been in it for a while. We haven't always acted
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: that way since entering this window. We know front office ownership,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: they've not acted like we're in a championship window.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: At all times.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 7: They've come up a little short in off season and
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: even trade deadlines. But I will defend them a little
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: bit because when we made the playoffs in twenty twenty two,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: they were very aggressive at the trading deadline, and we
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: made the playoffs. This year, we make the playoffs, we
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: were very aggressive at the trading deadline. We were also
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: very aggressive the previous year and ended up falling one
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: game short, but at the time in the past Jerry
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: and Justin aren't making by trades at the deadline like
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: they did a year ago. So three of the last
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: four years aggression at the trading deadline. I think they've
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: done really well at the trading dead line, but I
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: do remember times where they had one foot in the
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: boat and one foot out of the boat. Kendall Graveman
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: year as an example, Paul Sewalld year as an example,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: And so they haven't always acted like we're in a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: championship window. And I don't know why you go through
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: all the hard and brilliant work of creating the foundation
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: that you've created if you aren't going to just go
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: for it every year. To a degree, I'm not saying
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: all in. I think that's a stupid statement to make
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: in baseball. To go all in, Oh, prospects are available,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: I think that's just I think that's hot air. I
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: don't want to go all in. What Jerry and Justin
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: want to do is what I would do if I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: was a general manager. They want to create a championship window,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: and they want to make that window.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: As long as possible. As long as possible, but you
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: can't stop short while you're.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: In the window of trying to win the championship, and
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: this year they did a very good job of it,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: and it's the closest that we've come ever to getting there.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 7: And so when you're thinking about a manager and maybe
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: they do believe they've got the right guy and Dan Wilson,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: then this is nothing that they're even entertaining. But if
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: you are sitting there in a year in which he
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: was bagged pretty hard, not just locally, not just by
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: the loud mouths on Twitter, not just the trolls, the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: faceless trolls on social media, but local media, national media
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: players who are analysts at MLB network. I mean, he
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: was questioned all season long for his managerial moves by
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: most of baseball, and people did worry that that would
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: carry over into the playoffs and maybe become an issue,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: because of course those managerial decisions happen faster in the playoffs.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: They're more impactful.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: You can't be caught snoozing, and I think that to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: a degree, Dan Wilson was caught snoozing at the most
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: important time of the entire year. And so I don't
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: know if they're having this conversation behind the scenes, but
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: I don't rule out that in a championship window that Jerry, Justin,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: John and whoever else's opinion that they trust.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: That they know won't get back to Dan. Aren't having
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: a meeting somewhere saying is either right guy or not?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: Because I don't want this to be what gets in
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: the way next year or the following year.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Let's make a decision. Is he going to learn? Is
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: he going to be quicker on the draw and next season?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: Because there's a lot of great things Dan Wilson brings
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: to the table, A lot of great things that Dan
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: Wilson brings to the table, but you never know how
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: they're going to react in the moment in games until
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: they're actually under that gun. And I don't think Dan
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 7: Wilson was good at that during the regular season, and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: I don't think he was that good at it in
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: the postseason. I mean, John Schneider made a huge couple
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: of mistakes as well, and they ended up winning the series.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 7: And I think that aj Hinch, who everybody said is
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: such a brilliant manager, he blew it against us in
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: Game number five, taking Trek schoobl out of the game.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: So I do think there is a conversation to be
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: held somewhere secretively that hopefully Dan never hears it.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: But they're going to converse about is he the right guy?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: And if he's not, then we've got to do the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: painful thing of popping him from the job and finding
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 7: the right guy because we can't squander years of the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: championship window any longer. We have to take advantage every
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 7: single year.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Of what we have.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: We definitely have to take advantage. But I do wonder
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: how much of it they're looking at and saying, you
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: know what, it's just first year manager. You know, problems,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: things that we have to work through. He's going to
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: be a little slower because the last thing he wants
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: to do is make decisions too quickly and lose games
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: that way. So he's going to think them through a
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: little bit longer, and then as he gets a feel
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: for it more. I would think that they would expect
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: that he would, you know it, just has to get
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: a feel for how the game goes, and then that
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: is going to help shape his judgment in the future
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: versus this year. It's because I do think in certain instances,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: I remember this year too, when he'd make a decision
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: maybe we thought was too quick, then he'd get called
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: out for that. So, I mean he is going to
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: get called out by people for whether it's you know,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: too slow of a decision, the wrong decision, too quick
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: of a decision, if he's pulling the starter or too fast,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: or leaving him in too long.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, well, it is the ultimate skill skill of
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: the manager. It is the ultimate responsibility because usually like
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: offensive x's and o's kind of take care of themselves.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: Maybe you could say when you bunt, when you try
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: to play small ball, things of that nature.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: But really, the modern.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: Manager, there's a reason they're not called head coaches. They
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: manage personalities. They're trying to get the most out of
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: the talent that they've been given by the front office.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: And I think we all agree he's been given plenty
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: of talent by the front office. And usually, like the
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: modern manager, really the most important thing that you do
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: is make those decisions as to when to take pitchers
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: out and who to place them with. Yeah, and if
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: that's where he's struggling, that's a really mighty area to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: struggle in, I think they're going to stick with them.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: I don't have a problem with them sticking with him,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: to your point, and seeing how much growth that we
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: get out of Dan going forward. I think I evaluated
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: him as a C minus this year, and I did
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: evaluate him as the biggest concern that I had going
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: into the playoffs.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: I remember that, and yet.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: I'm still willing to say, hey man, there's a lot
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: of great qualities here about this guy. The players love him,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: they respect him, they trust him, and those go a
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 7: long way. Those things go a long way with a manager.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: I don't think that's the way Scott ended things with
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: the clubhouse, and Dan already had it before he took
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: the job, and I think he still has it today,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: at least. I haven't heard any murmurings that he's lost
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: anybody in the clubhouse. So there's something here to work with,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 7: there's something here to build off of. But I do
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: wonder if maybe he needs somebody in his ear that
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: has been there before and has done it before, and
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: is operating two or three moves ahead, like you need
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: to be as a manager, especially in the playoffs. I
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: brought this example up earlier about Joe Torre was a
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: master at managing person else. Think about what he had
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: to wrestle with Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter. I mean, all
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: of these different stars, superstars that he had to get
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: on the same page. And he was a master. He
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: was one of the best of all time at it.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: Don Zimmer was his ex AS and O's guy, Little
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: Yoda sat right there by his side, whispered things in
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: his ear. Don Zimmer, who didn't want to deal with
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: the media, didn't want to deal with personalities, just wanted
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: to be everybody's buddy on the team. But when it
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: came to X's and O's, he was the guy that
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: was really whispered in Joe's ear.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe he needs that type of person.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think it could hurt.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think maniact is the guy. If that's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: Maniactor's role, you need a better guy. Doesn't mean Maniact
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: asked to leave. Maniacta can serve.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: A lot of roles.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: I really like Manny, but you add too as an
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 7: organization make a really difficult admission.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: This offseason, Jerry particularly.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: Had to say, maybe I don't know what I'm talking
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: about about offense. Yeah, and maybe I do have to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: turn it over to offensive experts. And Kevin Sitzer's got
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: a pretty awesome resume. And so if I just turned
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: this thing over to Edgar and to Kevin Seitzer, maybe
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: we'll get better results.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: We got better results, Yes we did. That was an admission.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: That was Jerry looking in the mirror and saying, am
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: I too fat for these pants? And saying, yeah, I
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 7: think I am. And he got better pants and he
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: looked better in them. That fits right, right, and so
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: Kevin sites are fit. Maybe we have to have that
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 7: same conversation about what Dan might need to push him
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: over the top. People are asking me all the time,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 7: all the time, does he make the decisions?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Or to Jerry and Justin? I don't know. They're not
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: letting me that far inside behind the curtain. I'll tell
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: you this.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: Every time I've asked on air or off air, either
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 7: one of them, they've always said Dan makes the decisions,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: both of them, both Jerry and Justin. That's Dan, Dan's department.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: Dan's department. So I think Dan Wilson, who wasn't a
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: thousand percent short, he wanted to take over last year.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: I think that that was part of the negotiation. If
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 7: I do this, I don't want to be micromanaged, and
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: I think they agreed to that, and so I think
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: they let Dan rip this year. So maybe not. Maybe
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: everybody's suspicions are that Jerry and Justin are in his
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: ear all day long, and I don't think that that
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: has happened. But if it didn't quite work in that area,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: and it worked, we wanted a vision, we're hanging a
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: banner we got to buy. We made it within nine
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: outs of the World Series. So those are usually really
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: nice accomplishments for a first year full time manager. But
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: if you do observe that we could have gone farther
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: had our man been better at game in game decisions,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: then get him some help. At least give him a
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: sounding board, somebody who's a little more proven. Yeah, that
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: can at least remind him, hey, hey, hey, hey hey,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: Springer and Guerrero are going to be up in the
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 7: seventh potentially, do we really want to face them for
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: the last time in this playoff? As hot as they are,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 7: as good as they are, would anyone less than Munnos
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: And maybe there's somebody that can put that in his
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: ear that is operating as Dan tries to juggle a
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 7: thousand different things and keep all the plate spinning. So
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: maybe that's the solution. Dan does not deserve to be
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: fired after what the team accomplished this year, but Dan's
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: got to get better at certain in game decisions.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, I think he would say the same thing.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 7: And I don't want this to be the reason again
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: next year, not like it is the reason. There are
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 7: a lot of reasons that went into us getting eliminated.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: Our starting pitching been better, it wouldn't have come down
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 7: to that decision in game number seven. But I just
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: don't want it to be a reason, right that. You know,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: we're we we don't make great in game decisions with
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 7: pitching changes, and so I think it can be addressed
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 7: with a simple bench coach upgrade and nobody has to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: lose their job and we get better in the process,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: because it really is crucial. And I really do think
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: that there was a mistake made in game number seven
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 7: at a really.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: Bad time well, and I would think, or I would
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: hope at least, that everybody in the Mariners organization, from
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: the top all the way down to the bullpen catcher,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: that they're all looking at at every aspect in saying, Okay,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: what is it that we could improve on for next year?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: What did I do for sure that needs to be
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: you know that maybe contributed to us not making it
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: to the World Series, because every single person in that
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: organization can come up with something that they could improve
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: on in order to get us over that next or
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: past that hump, over to that next step. So I
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 6: would think I would hope that Dan is sitting down
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: and having that conversation with Jerry and Justin and I
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: and his staff and saying, Okay, where did we fall
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: short and what is it that we can do together
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: and who could we bring in to maybe make us
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: even stronger.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I think the conversation is going to be held.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 7: I mean, you think about like Bob Melvin. I don't
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: think Bob Melvin is going to get another managerial opportunity.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: That's been a guy that is not exactly full of personality.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: I would imagine he and Dan get along. Maybe they're
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: are trivals. I have no idea, but maybe that's a
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: guy that sits by his side, that knows Seattle that yeah,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: has been here before and after several managerial chances will
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 7: be like, you know, I'd like to just be a
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: bench coach. I don't want to talk to the media anymore.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: Just let me do that role. Joe Madden still doesn't
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: have a job. What a clever guy to have. Yeah,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 7: you want to talk about a guy that sees two
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: or three moves ahead. Maybe you wouldn't want to be
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: a bench coach again like he was for Mike Sosha
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 7: once upon a time. Or maybe he's been out of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: the game long enough that he sees I'm not going
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: to get another managerial chance.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: I'm getting old.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: It would be nice to kind of just fill that
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: role and to be back into a clubhouse.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's a guy.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: Yes, maybe Buck Showalter, who's the brightest guy out there
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: still to this day in terms of his baseball decisions.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: I think there's some options out there, and maybe that's
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: the improvement to the staff that you need next year,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: and Dan gets the another crack at it to not
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: just be the manager next year, but the crack to
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: be our manager for the next fifteen years throughout this
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: entire period. Because I think there are a lot of
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: great qualities about him that if we could just supplement
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: him in maybe some areas that right now he's deficient
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: at and probably will get better at them going forward,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 7: then maybe that's the perfect solution. I don't want this
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: to stand in the way I don't want it to
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 7: be a reason a year from now why we feel
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 7: that we didn't advance to the World Series.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: So let's address it now.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: I would agree, all right.
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  Speaker 7: let's talk Seahawks going into the by five and two.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: How are you feeling about our football team here locally?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Pretty darn good? Yeah, really feel good about him. You know,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: I think the defensive performance against Tampa Bay was concerning,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: but I think it's a little bit more of a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: one off. I think that it was a combination of
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: probably trying to do too much and then with guys
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: who are not playing, you know, guys out. So I'm
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: playing a good offense, so you know, there's there's more
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: for this team. Like the fundamentals seem pretty good to me,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: but I feel like a couple of these games, like
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: they should have won like thirty five seven and they
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: still won, you know, twenty to twelve or whatever it was,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: twenty seven to nineteen the Internight, don't you feel like
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: they could have won by way more? And I think
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: that's that's a good sign, like that they probably will
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: win some of these bile a lot more later.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 7: Js N has one hundred and ninety more yards receiving
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: than Jamar Chase, who's second in the league.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Is he in this category?
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: Is he as good as any receiver in the National
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: Football League?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Or is he just having the best statistical season?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I think he's in that up Ruscheland category.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 12: You know.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: I think when we traditionally talk about the number one receivers,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: we kind of have in our mind that they look
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: like Andre Johnson. Right, they're six to two, they're two
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pounds, and they run a two
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: point four forty.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: You know, that's what we kind of think, that's what
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: you look for, that's what gets picked in the top five, Right,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: So we know, you know, JSN is not quite that,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: but look around the league, justin Jefferson's not that either.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: You know, the top guys in yardage now are not
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: necessarily the Andre Jones or looked like Larry Fitzgerald. You know,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: they're not overwhelmingly big physically. So some of that is
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: the prolification I think of the three receivers and just
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: the way the game's played now, and it's it's so
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: much more scheme oriented than it is just beating your
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: guy because you're the bigger, better athlete, right And I
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: think I was thinking this the other night. He can
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: be the best receiver this franchise has had since Steve Largent.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: That's saying a lot, you know, you know that there's
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: been some good ones so.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now that you say it out loud, isn't he?
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  Speaker 2: But I think he is.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you would be talking about Doug Baldwin and
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  Speaker 1: you'd be talking about Brian Blades, you know, DK for
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  Speaker 1: a run. But I think we're seeing that the consistency
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: that JSN plays with is on another level from d K. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Doug Baldwin was super you know, super consistent and tough,
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  Speaker 1: and let's not just diminish what he brought to the team.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he was. You know, we're not
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  Speaker 1: crowning after a couple of years here. But I think
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  Speaker 1: what we're looking at is, hey, this trajectory's going to
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  Speaker 1: continue for this player, right and he's just starting. He's
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: like twenty three years old. Yeah, yeah, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean he's passed what those guys, some of
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  Speaker 1: those guys have done. But I think you'd bet on well,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't bet on anything, I guess now with everything
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  Speaker 1: that's coming out of the news, but you would you
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  Speaker 1: would bet on this if this were a stock, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you'd feel really good about that it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: one of the best in the history of the franchise.
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  Speaker 7: Mike Sando is with us Our NFL Insider can follow
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  Speaker 7: him at Sando NFL on Twitter. Since you brought it up,
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  Speaker 7: what kind of day do you think Roger Goodell is
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  Speaker 7: having considering how big a part gambling is in his sport.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure they're at tuned to this, and this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, puts it in their face even more. I
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  Speaker 1: think the NBA one is I look at it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's two different ones. There's the card room thing and
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  Speaker 1: then there's these over under these in game props, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And to me, the head coach of a team playing
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  Speaker 1: in a car illegal card game is probably not something
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  Speaker 1: that they're worried about. Mike Tomlin showing up at a
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  Speaker 1: card game, I wouldn't think. But the prop bet ones
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: are to me, those are ripe. And I do think
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: the NFL's a little bit has advantages and disadvantage. One
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: disadvantage is there's so many more players.
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  Speaker 2: He would be easy to reach somebody.
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  Speaker 7: But I think there's so many more props. I mean,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: let's face it, we should not be able to win
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 7: money betting on how many assists Terry Rogier gets in
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 7: a basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Game, absolutely, because Terry can control that even without throwing
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: the game. He can, right, he can decide to to
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: you know, just move the ball a different direction and
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't even notice, right, And then you still get
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: a bucket on that possession anyway.
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  Speaker 7: Not like hockey where everybody getting a set and assists before.
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  Speaker 1: I do think though, that it is I say this
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  Speaker 1: even for the NBA stuff that's embarrassing and bad. I
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  Speaker 1: do think that I would rather have this stuff coming
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  Speaker 1: out on these silly props than on the outcome of
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: a game. A guy just ricking two free throws or
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: something like that that actually swings the outcome of the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: game in a more direct way, which, by the way,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: is harder to do in the NFL unless you had
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: a quarterback or a running back or you know, somebody
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: who is gonna fumble on purpose in a key moment.
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  Speaker 1: I just I think that would be kind of hard
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 7: Je Lamar Jackson practice yesterday, I guess that's an indication
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: that there's a chance he'll play against the Bears on Sunday.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: They are one in five, and I think that's the
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: most shocking thing of this entire football season. Can they
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: save it still?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that with if Lamar Jackson plays,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: they've got a couple of guys back on defense. I
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: think they can if you look at their schedule, I do.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: I think they can back into the realm of playing
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: for something late in the year. But what's the odds
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: that they're not going to have more injuries or other
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: things that derailed them. I think their defense is a
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: big issue too, and you know they've done a good
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: job over the years of like finding the next coordinator.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just not sure they have the one next one
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: right now, and so that's my concern for them, and
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to have a hard time even
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: if they do rally and get back in of making
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: a big dent.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 7: Colts, on the flip side, are six and one. That's
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 7: the best record in the National Football League. Any chance
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 7: that they're the best team in the National.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Football League, I don't think so, because I think the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: quarterback well efficient, you know, I think the I mean,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs are playing pretty good ball right now. I
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: don't think we would go against them, you know, with
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Mahomes in a big game type of a situation. But
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I do think that the Colts are you know, they
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: were eight to nine last year with a forty seven
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: percent passer, So, you know, I think we've probably just
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: taken for granted that they're going to fall short every year,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: and now we're actually seeing, you know, a competent quarterback
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: who's playing really well with I think a good play caller.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: I think psyching is and they also change their defensive
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: play color. I think they got better for in you know,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: single game matchups with lou An Arumo, which could help
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: them in the playoffs. So I think they're in the
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: top echelon of the AFC right now given the state
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: of the AFC, but I still wouldn't take them over.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: Kansas City Chargers started three and oh people were saying
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: this might be the best team in the NFL, and
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 7: they've since lost three out of four. So what are
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: the Chargers as they get ready for Thursday night football
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: against the Vikings tonight.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a little flawed now, certainly the offensive line issues.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: They've been without both starting tackles, which is really the
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: strength of their team. So you take the strength of
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: of your team and make it a weakness of your team.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: I think that has really really hurt their consistency. But
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: the concern I have is they're giving up a ton
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: of explosive plays on defense Khalil Maxman out. Maybe they
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: get that back tonight. They're actually favored against Minnesota, which
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: has quarterback issues, so I think there's a good chance
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: they sort of get it back tonight and have a
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: better game. But that's anytime you're out without your shortain tackles,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: and we've seen that when it happened to Seattle, it's
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: gonna be really, really tough, And I think that's that's
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: their identity. Jim Harbaugh came in there and said, we're
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: drafting an offensive tackle and we think that's a weapon.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: That's their identity. So they've really lost that, and I
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: think it's been hard for them to recover.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 7: I beg them today, laid the points three and a
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: half our factor fiction contest. Am I going to be right?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Probably?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Probably? That's not very convincing, Mike.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: This stuff was convincing. We would all be living in mansions, okay,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: we'd all be having our own I'd be having the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: east wing of my house, going to do a three
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollar ballroom right now if we knew how
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, are you telling me gambling is risky?
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I feel bad even joking about it
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: because people get hooked into it. It's just a deal,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: you know. Rough, Yeah, really rough.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: All right, Mike, thank you, enjoying the football tonight. We'll
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: talk to you next week.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you, all right.
• 1:28:08
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