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- 0:13Speaker 1: The two explosions that tore through the Boston Marathon nearly
- 0:17Speaker 1: a year ago were like a starting gun on a
- 0:20Speaker 1: second race against time. Unknown terrorists were on the loose,
- 0:24Speaker 1: and they had more bombs. Now, for the first time,
- 0:27Speaker 1: you're going to hear the inside story from the federal
- 0:30Speaker 1: investigators who ran the man hunt. They led a task
- 0:34Speaker 1: force of more than one thousand federal agents, state police,
- 0:38Speaker 1: and Boston cops. Tonight, they will speak of the disturbing
- 0:42Speaker 1: evidence that cracked the case, and of a debate among
- 0:46Speaker 1: the investigators that ultimately led to the dragnet's violent end.
- 0:51Speaker 1: The afternoon of April fifteenth, the FBI's man in charge
- 0:55Speaker 1: of Boston got a text two large explosions near the
- 0:58Speaker 1: finish line for Special Agent Rick D.
- 1:01Speaker 2: Laurier.
- 1:02Speaker 1: The marathon became a sprint to catch the killers before
- 1:06Speaker 1: they struck again.
- 1:08Speaker 3: I felt that week that I had the weight of
- 1:10Speaker 3: the world on my shoulders, and I'm sure I wasn't
- 1:12Speaker 3: the only one.
- 1:12Speaker 2: Did you feel if there was a third bombing, it
- 1:14Speaker 2: would be on.
- 1:15Speaker 3: You, That's everybody's fear. It would be on me, It
- 1:21Speaker 3: would be on the Joint Tism task Force. But that
- 1:25Speaker 3: wasn't what drove us. What drove us is preventing more
- 1:28Speaker 3: people from getting hurt.
- 1:29Speaker 1: Two hundred and sixty four were hurt already three killed.
- 1:34Speaker 1: Moments before, Rick d' laurier had been counting the days
- 1:37Speaker 1: to retirement twenty six years at the FBI now on
- 1:42Speaker 1: Boylston Street, he took over the biggest investigation of his life.
- 1:46Speaker 3: It was a scene of devastation. There was evidence everywhere.
- 1:50Speaker 2: And you said what to yourself? In that moment, I.
- 1:52Speaker 3: Said, we will find those responsible for these despicable crimes.
- 1:56Speaker 1: FBI Director Robert Muller ordered every office in the world
- 2:00Speaker 1: back up de Laurier. De Laurier's link to headquarters was
- 2:04Speaker 1: executive assistant director Stephanie Douglass.
- 2:06Speaker 4: We were very, very concerned about other bombs in Boston,
- 2:09Speaker 4: but we had to think beyond that. Were there other
- 2:12Speaker 4: bombs in other cities? Were US interests even abroad at risk?
- 2:17Speaker 4: So we had to consider everything. We could not eliminate anything.
- 2:21Speaker 1: First came the crime scene, twelve blocks of debris, abandoned
- 2:26Speaker 1: backpacks and bomb parts blown to smithereens.
- 2:29Speaker 3: They set up a grid pattern. Evidence could be on
- 2:32Speaker 3: window cells, evidence could be on roofs of buildings, evidence
- 2:35Speaker 3: could be anywhere.
- 2:36Speaker 2: Are they going down the street with tweezers?
- 2:38Speaker 4: Sometimes when they need to, they're doing that, But yes,
- 2:42Speaker 4: they're very carefully picking up everything they see.
- 2:46Speaker 1: They saw a battery pack for model cars and chunks
- 2:50Speaker 1: of two pressure cookers. The cookers concentrate the explosion for
- 2:54Speaker 1: maximum force. You decided to set up a warehouse near
- 2:58Speaker 1: Logan Airport, right every thing swept from the street was
- 3:01Speaker 1: processed in this forty six thousand square foot warehouse. Twice
- 3:05Speaker 1: a day a plane flew the items to the FBI
- 3:08Speaker 1: lab in Quantico, Virginia.
- 3:10Speaker 4: And you basically have almost like an assembly line of evidence.
- 3:14Speaker 4: So it gets tagged, it gets recorded as evidence, so
- 3:19Speaker 4: that you're preserving that chain of custody. But it also
- 3:22Speaker 4: for all the different parts and components that would later
- 3:25Speaker 4: go to recreating the devices themselves.
- 3:28Speaker 2: The bombs.
- 3:28Speaker 1: Yes, recreating the bombs, Yes.
- 3:31Speaker 2: From the pieces that you found.
- 3:32Speaker 5: Yes.
- 3:33Speaker 1: Successful as that was, It turned out the evidence that
- 3:37Speaker 1: would solve the case had been collected before the first
- 3:41Speaker 1: bomb exploded that Monday. The FBI could travel back in
- 3:45Speaker 1: time through the lenses of dozens of security cameras up
- 3:49Speaker 1: and down Boylston.
- 3:51Speaker 4: Almost thirteen thousand different videos were obtained. One hundred and
- 3:55Speaker 4: twenty thousand, actually more than one hundred and twenty thousand
- 3:58Speaker 4: still photographs.
- 4:00Speaker 1: At the FBI lab in Virginia, one hundred and twenty analysts.
- 4:04Speaker 1: We're searching video feeds from Boston.
- 4:07Speaker 2: What are you looking for?
- 4:08Speaker 3: Somebody who just doesn't look similar to others in a
- 4:11Speaker 3: crowd who would be watching a race.
- 4:14Speaker 1: Was there a eureka moment in terms of the video.
- 4:17Speaker 1: But at some point somebody said, hey, boss, have a
- 4:19Speaker 1: look at this.
- 4:20Speaker 2: Yes it was.
- 4:21Speaker 3: It was, I believe Wednesday morning, and we watched that
- 4:25Speaker 3: video hundreds and hundreds of times.
- 4:27Speaker 4: You can see an individual, a tall man wearing a
- 4:32Speaker 4: white ball cap, walk into the frame. He has a
- 4:37Speaker 4: backpack slung over one of his shoulders. He puts the
- 4:41Speaker 4: backpack down very nonchalantly. He joins the crowd. You clearly
- 4:45Speaker 4: see everybody look very very definitely to the left, like
- 4:49Speaker 4: they've heard something, they've seen something, so you know that
- 4:52Speaker 4: first glass has gone off.
- 4:54Speaker 5: He does not do that.
- 4:55Speaker 4: He does not do what everybody else in that video does.
- 4:58Speaker 4: He does not turn to its left. He instead just
- 5:01Speaker 4: stands there for a second or two and walks very
- 5:05Speaker 4: deliberately back the same direction that he came in.
- 5:09Speaker 1: The Eureka video hasn't been seen by the public. It
- 5:12Speaker 1: is being kept for the trial. But this still photo
- 5:16Speaker 1: shows much the same view of the suspect and the
- 5:19Speaker 1: people who would be torn apart by the blast. Let
- 5:22Speaker 1: me ask you to describe what you see in that picture.
- 5:31Speaker 3: I see the subject on the individual who has been
- 5:33Speaker 3: charging investigation, and I see people who are grievously who
- 5:36Speaker 3: are grievously injured in that blast. And I see individuals
- 5:39Speaker 3: who died in that blast.
- 5:41Speaker 2: The people along the fence line there several of them.
- 5:44Speaker 3: Yes, very very emotional time when I look at that
- 5:48Speaker 3: to know what happened. A few moments afterwards, I.
- 5:50Speaker 4: Believe I see his backpack on the ground, and then
- 5:54Speaker 4: I see.
- 5:56Speaker 5: One of the people that was killed as a result
- 5:58Speaker 5: of that bomb.
- 6:00Speaker 2: Do you know their name?
- 6:02Speaker 6: Is this?
- 6:02Speaker 7: Martin Richard.
- 6:04Speaker 1: Martin Richard was eight years old, his seven year old
- 6:07Speaker 1: sister Jane lost a leg. Their father, Bill suffered hearing
- 6:11Speaker 1: damage from the bomb in the backpack laid at their feet.
- 6:16Speaker 1: In the video, the backpack explodes twenty seconds after the
- 6:20Speaker 1: man in the white hat walks away. Stephanie Douglas saw
- 6:23Speaker 1: it in the FBI's Washington command center. Nobody I've talked
- 6:27Speaker 1: to can quite find the words.
- 6:33Speaker 5: It's a horrible video to watch.
- 6:34Speaker 4: I mean, after the bomb goes off, obviously, it's a
- 6:41Speaker 4: very smoky situation. There's a lot of smoke, and the
- 6:45Speaker 4: smoke clears, and what you saw is a very happy
- 6:48Speaker 4: scene of people watching that marathon is no longer that,
- 6:54Speaker 4: even after seeing something so horrible. I remember this survivor
- 7:00Speaker 4: who unfortunately his clothes were on fire, and I just
- 7:04Speaker 4: remember this police officer getting down on his hands and
- 7:08Speaker 4: knees and putting out the flames on this person with
- 7:13Speaker 4: his bare hands. And I just thought to myself, you
- 7:17Speaker 4: know what an incredible contrast of events, something so horrific,
- 7:23Speaker 4: and then we have this person with no thought or
- 7:28Speaker 4: of his own comfort or consequences to himself Russian and
- 7:32Speaker 4: actually do something like that.
- 7:34Speaker 5: That was so brave. I still remember that very clearly.
- 7:38Speaker 1: Only two days had passed. Now they were looking for
- 7:41Speaker 1: every image of the suspect they called white hat. Massachusetts
- 7:45Speaker 1: State police analysts found him with a man in a
- 7:48Speaker 1: black hat, which turned out to be his older brother. Yes,
- 7:51Speaker 1: now you have the Sarnaya brothers. Yes, but you don't
- 7:54Speaker 1: know that.
- 7:54Speaker 5: No, I don't know that. I don't know who they are.
- 7:57Speaker 1: Then suddenly, that Wednesday confusion, when cable news channels erroneously
- 8:03Speaker 1: reported that a suspect had been arrested and was headed
- 8:06Speaker 1: to the courthouse. The error caused pandemonium. According to US
- 8:11Speaker 1: attorney Carmen Ortiz, who's leading the prosecution.
- 8:14Speaker 8: And I remember turning to my colleagues saying to my
- 8:18Speaker 8: press person saying, do we have someone in custody? And
- 8:21Speaker 8: I turned to Rick to Laurie, do we have someone
- 8:23Speaker 8: in custody? And they were like, no, we don't have
- 8:26Speaker 8: anyone in custody. I think that kind of misinformation makes
- 8:29Speaker 8: it appear as if government isn't in control of the investigation.
- 8:32Speaker 8: Is sort of confusing, and so it can be very,
- 8:35Speaker 8: very harmful.
- 8:36Speaker 1: More harm was done the next morning when The New
- 8:39Speaker 1: York Post added to the erroneous reporting by putting a
- 8:43Speaker 1: man with a white hat on its front page. The
- 8:45Speaker 1: only problem was wasn't the right man in the white hat?
- 8:48Speaker 8: That generated tremendous risk and harm. It gives people false
- 8:53Speaker 8: sense of security, thinking, oh, they've identified these suspects when
- 8:56Speaker 8: it turns out that it's wrong individuals, those individuals at tremendous.
- 9:01Speaker 1: Risk, the risk to the innocent, lent urgency, to the
- 9:05Speaker 1: debate over whether to release the real pictures. Why wouldn't
- 9:10Speaker 1: you release the pictures to the public. Isn't that the
- 9:12Speaker 1: fastest way to find the perpetrators.
- 9:15Speaker 4: Sure, but it's also gives them every opportunity to escape. Remember,
- 9:22Speaker 4: we do not have the identities of anybody.
- 9:25Speaker 1: So your concern was that if you put the pictures
- 9:28Speaker 1: out there to the public, they'd know they'd been had
- 9:32Speaker 1: and they'd run.
- 9:33Speaker 9: Yes.
- 9:33Speaker 5: Absolutely.
- 9:34Speaker 3: The countervailing argument is you had individuals. We had photographic
- 9:38Speaker 3: evidence of individuals who we strongly believed or responsible for
- 9:43Speaker 3: the bombings, and we needed to identify them as quickly
- 9:45Speaker 3: as possible.
- 9:46Speaker 1: So Thursday, Rick de Laurier walked out in time for
- 9:50Speaker 1: the evening news.
- 9:51Speaker 3: These images should be the only ones, I emphasized, the
- 9:54Speaker 3: only ones that the public should view to assist us.
- 9:58Speaker 1: The pictures set events in motion that de Laurier didn't predict,
- 10:01Speaker 1: in fact, didn't recognize even after they started.
- 10:05Speaker 3: My wife was watching the news that evening.
- 10:07Speaker 1: An officer has been shot, and.
- 10:10Speaker 3: There was a story about an MIT police officer who
- 10:13Speaker 3: was subsequently identified as Officer Sean Collier, who had been
- 10:16Speaker 3: murdered that evening and right on campus. My wife looked
- 10:19Speaker 3: at me and she said, I bet those are your
- 10:23Speaker 3: guys and they're on the run right now, and I
- 10:25Speaker 3: bet they've murdered this police officer. And I didn't believe her.
- 10:28Speaker 3: I said, oh, no, I don't think so, and I
- 10:30Speaker 3: went to bed.
- 10:30Speaker 2: Your wife had cracked the case, and you went to bed.
- 10:34Speaker 3: I did not believe that she had cracked the case
- 10:35Speaker 3: at the time I went to bed.
- 10:37Speaker 4: I went to bed probably around ten o'clock. And this
- 10:42Speaker 4: is probably a sad commentary in my life, but my
- 10:44Speaker 4: BlackBerry was on the pillow.
- 10:46Speaker 3: Next to me, and somewhere around twelve thirty quarter to
- 10:49Speaker 3: one in the morning, I received the phone call from
- 10:51Speaker 3: one of my assistant special Agents Agents in charge, Jeff Silette,
- 10:54Speaker 3: and my.
- 10:55Speaker 4: Phone rang about a little after one in the morning.
- 10:59Speaker 3: I woke out of a sound sleep and I said,
- 11:01Speaker 3: an MIT police officer has been murdered earlier this evening
- 11:05Speaker 3: by individuals we believe to be responsible for the bombing,
- 11:08Speaker 3: and they are on the streets of Watertown right now,
- 11:11Speaker 3: engaged in a shootout with a Watertown Police Department.
- 11:22Speaker 1: It was combat two suspects through pipe bombs and a
- 11:26Speaker 1: pressure cooker bomb at the police An officer was gravely wounded.
- 11:30Speaker 1: Those who argued that releasing the pictures would cause the
- 11:33Speaker 1: suspects to run were right.
- 11:36Speaker 2: Was putting the pictures out the right call?
- 11:39Speaker 10: Yes?
- 11:39Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day, we really
- 11:40Speaker 4: had no choice. Believe me, the death of Sean Collier
- 11:43Speaker 4: is not lost on the FBI. We consider it an
- 11:46Speaker 4: incredibly tragic event. But I think at the end of
- 11:50Speaker 4: the day, given the facts as we knew them at
- 11:52Speaker 4: the time, we made the best decision.
- 11:55Speaker 2: How do you feel about that decision now?
- 11:57Speaker 3: I stand by that decision, Scott. He could have force
- 12:01Speaker 3: reasonably foreseen that a police officer would be murdered. What
- 12:05Speaker 3: could reasonably be foreseen is that these individuals could have
- 12:09Speaker 3: had more bombs, could have set those bombs off and
- 12:14Speaker 3: caused this carnage similar or even greater to what they caused.
- 12:17Speaker 3: In April fifteenth, one suspect was killed, the other vanished
- 12:24Speaker 3: in minutes.
- 12:25Speaker 1: The FBI matched the dead man's fingerprints to Tamerlin Sarnaiev,
- 12:29Speaker 1: an immigrant from Kyrgyzstan. Other records showed he had a brother.
- 12:34Speaker 5: Yeah, And I remember that so clearly.
- 12:36Speaker 4: If somebody walking in with a Manila folder and said, okay,
- 12:39Speaker 4: here's his brother, and they opened it and it's his picture,
- 12:43Speaker 4: and I go, that's him, that's white hat, That's who
- 12:46Speaker 4: we should be looking for.
- 12:47Speaker 1: Friday, the governor ordered a lockdown of Boston, but a
- 12:51Speaker 1: house to house search turned up nothing.
- 12:54Speaker 4: Everybody's exhausted and deflated, you know. I mean, it's a
- 12:58Speaker 4: very sad day for Boston, day for Boston.
- 13:01Speaker 1: But then a man noticed someone in a boat in
- 13:05Speaker 1: his backyard. Joe Kar Sarnaiev was wounded but alive.
- 13:10Speaker 3: What did you think as he went into court to
- 13:12Speaker 3: be arraigned, he had a smug grin on his face.
- 13:16Speaker 3: Much of the time in the courtroom he would glance
- 13:18Speaker 3: over his right shoulder back to his relatives and smile
- 13:21Speaker 3: and smirk at them. And I found that absolutely galling,
- 13:25Speaker 3: and I found it reprehensible.
- 13:27Speaker 1: The Attorney General has decided to seek the death penalty
- 13:30Speaker 1: in this case.
- 13:31Speaker 3: Yes he has, and I support that decision.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Joekar Sarnaiyev has pled not guilty. His defense team declined
- 13:41Speaker 1: to speak with US. US Attorney Carmen Ortiz is preparing
- 13:45Speaker 1: for a November trial.
- 14:14Speaker 11: The notorious narco known as El Chapo has achieved one
- 14:18Speaker 11: of his greatest aspirations. He's the most famous drug lord
- 14:21Speaker 11: of all time. This is our fourth sixty minute story
- 14:25Speaker 11: about El Chopo, whose real name is Joaquin Guzman. Our
- 14:29Speaker 11: first story came when he was captured after thirteen years
- 14:32Speaker 11: on the run. We told you then that El Chapo
- 14:35Speaker 11: Spanish for Shorty was on Forbes list of billionaires and
- 14:39Speaker 11: had earned an outsized reputation for his worldwide smuggling empire,
- 14:44Speaker 11: his ruthless brutality, and most of all, for his daring getaways,
- 14:49Speaker 11: like the one we told you about last year, when
- 14:51Speaker 11: he vanished from a maximum security Mexican prison through one
- 14:55Speaker 11: of his trademark escape tunnels. Then there was our interview
- 14:59Speaker 11: with actor Sean who met Guzman at a hideaway last fall.
- 15:03Speaker 11: After El Chappo's stunning prison break. Many thought he'd never
- 15:07Speaker 11: get caught again, but he was. How you were about
- 15:12Speaker 11: to see.
- 15:14Speaker 10: Where in the pantheon of drug traffickers drug lords does
- 15:21Speaker 10: El Chapo fall.
- 15:22Speaker 12: El Chapo resides at the very top of that hierarchy.
- 15:27Speaker 11: Peter Vincent was a senior official and legal adviser of
- 15:30Speaker 11: both the Justice Department and Homeland Security during the international
- 15:34Speaker 11: manhunt for Guzman. He says, after the daring escape last summer,
- 15:39Speaker 11: Al Chapo became almost delusional.
- 15:42Speaker 10: So what precipitated his downfall?
- 15:45Speaker 12: He became drunk on his own wine. He started to
- 15:50Speaker 12: believe the hype that he was special, that he was
- 15:53Speaker 12: almost a demigod, that he was something truly magical, and
- 16:00Speaker 12: he became so incredibly arrogant that he thought he was untouchable.
- 16:06Speaker 11: Jim Dinkins agrees. As Chief of Homeland Security Investigations, he
- 16:11Speaker 11: was part of the US Mexico task force that nabbed
- 16:14Speaker 11: El Chapo in twenty fourteen.
- 16:18Speaker 13: He knew how he was captured last time, and so
- 16:21Speaker 13: he had the upper hand, right, he had all the
- 16:23Speaker 13: cards in his hand to go off into the sunset
- 16:26Speaker 13: and to learn from his mistake. But he just can't
- 16:29Speaker 13: help himself, and he remained in the public eye.
- 16:32Speaker 11: After his first escape from prison in two thousand and one,
- 16:36Speaker 11: Guzmand virtually disappeared from sight for thirteen years, but not
- 16:41Speaker 11: this time.
- 16:42Speaker 13: Here he gets out of prison and he's on the
- 16:45Speaker 13: road being spotted at this place, having you know, drinks,
- 16:49Speaker 13: and this place, you know, with his family members.
- 16:52Speaker 10: He invited Sean Penn and the actress Kate del Castillo
- 16:57Speaker 10: to come in to see him. Yeah. Did Mexican law
- 17:00Speaker 10: enforcement know that these two actors were going in to
- 17:04Speaker 10: see al Choppo?
- 17:05Speaker 6: Oh?
- 17:05Speaker 10: Absolutely.
- 17:06Speaker 13: They knew where Sean was going to go when he
- 17:08Speaker 13: was going to land. They knew right away.
- 17:11Speaker 11: How did they know because they were listening in on
- 17:15Speaker 11: the cartel's communications and watching. Mexican and US law enforcement
- 17:20Speaker 11: reformed the task force that caught al Choppo the last time.
- 17:25Speaker 11: They were tracking not just Goosemand, but everyone in his
- 17:28Speaker 11: inner circle, including his cook and everyone his lieutenants contacted,
- 17:33Speaker 11: including Sean Penn.
- 17:35Speaker 10: Did it become sloppy?
- 17:36Speaker 2: Definitely.
- 17:37Speaker 13: There was more sightings of him in the last six
- 17:39Speaker 13: months than there was in the last ten years before
- 17:41Speaker 13: he was captured in twenty fourteen.
- 17:43Speaker 10: After he escaped the last time, you told us that
- 17:46Speaker 10: you were not confident that he would ever be captured again,
- 17:51Speaker 10: that al Chopo had become a smarter criminal. Did you
- 17:55Speaker 10: overestimate his intelligence? I truly did hear?
- 17:59Speaker 2: He had over a years in prison.
- 18:01Speaker 13: I presumed he was using that same amount of time
- 18:03Speaker 13: to think about how he was going to remain a
- 18:05Speaker 13: fugitive for the rest of his life.
- 18:07Speaker 11: Mexican officials told us that only twenty days after his escape,
- 18:11Speaker 11: the Marines had picked up on Gusman's trail.
- 18:14Speaker 12: They created an even smaller team of Mexican Marines a
- 18:17Speaker 12: search block, and they focused on the prize at hand,
- 18:21Speaker 12: and that was capturing Il Chopo Guzman alive if they
- 18:24Speaker 12: absolutely could.
- 18:25Speaker 11: Their first opportunity came in early October, just days after
- 18:29Speaker 11: Sean Penn's visit. The Marines told us they waited because
- 18:34Speaker 11: they didn't want the American actor caught in the crossfire.
- 18:37Speaker 11: A team of Marines approached one of El Chopo's mountaintop
- 18:41Speaker 11: ranches by jungle road, while another group of commandos flew
- 18:45Speaker 11: in by helicopter.
- 18:47Speaker 10: So what went wrong on that October mission?
- 18:51Speaker 12: As I understand it, despite all of El Chopo Guzman's
- 18:54Speaker 12: bravado of being a macho, very powerful man, he was
- 18:59Speaker 12: running with a child in his arms.
- 19:01Speaker 10: A human shield, a baby as a shield.
- 19:03Speaker 12: That's the only way that one can rationally see it.
- 19:08Speaker 11: So once again, Al Chapo got away. In early December,
- 19:13Speaker 11: intelligence led the Marines to this house in the sleepy
- 19:16Speaker 11: coastal town of Los Mochi's in northern Sinaloa. Wiretap intercepts
- 19:21Speaker 11: talked about a visit planned by Grandma and Aunt, code
- 19:26Speaker 11: names for El Chapo and his lieutenant known as Cholo Yvonne.
- 19:31Speaker 11: The Marines watched the house for a month as painters
- 19:34Speaker 11: and construction crews came and went. Then, on the morning
- 19:38Speaker 11: of Thursday, January seventh, Grandma finally showed up. An assault
- 19:44Speaker 11: force quickly moved into position nearby. That evening, someone in
- 19:49Speaker 11: the house called out for a large order of tacos,
- 19:52Speaker 11: and this armored truck left to go pick up the food.
- 19:55Speaker 11: Chopo was having a party.
- 19:58Speaker 12: For an incredibly savvy, clever, almost a criminal genius that
- 20:04Speaker 12: El Chapo Guzman was. He ultimately was done in by
- 20:08Speaker 12: very simple tastes. What do you mean tacos, tequila and chicas.
- 20:16Speaker 11: At four forty am in the pre dawn hours of Friday,
- 20:20Speaker 11: January eighth, the Marines began battering down the gate of
- 20:24Speaker 11: Chappo's safe house. We've concealed the identities of the commando
- 20:28Speaker 11: leaders for their safety.
- 20:30Speaker 14: Nonsto's, so when we first knocked on the door of
- 20:35Speaker 14: the house, the shooting started.
- 20:39Speaker 11: A fierce gun battle erupted. The first marine through the
- 20:45Speaker 11: door was shot in the arm.
- 20:48Speaker 10: I watched the videotape. It's very intense.
- 20:54Speaker 15: Chappo's people inside the house were firing high caliber rounds grenades,
- 20:59Speaker 15: so it's like a war zone.
- 21:05Speaker 11: The Marines moved methodically through the house. Chopo's henchmen retreated
- 21:11Speaker 11: up the stairs. Just inside the door. One gunman lay
- 21:16Speaker 11: dead down the hall. Four more taken prisoner, and the
- 21:20Speaker 11: commandos quickly checked a walk in closet covered with full
- 21:24Speaker 11: length mirrors. Upstairs, the Marines find two women, one of
- 21:29Speaker 11: them the cook, cowering on the bathroom floor. Outside the house,
- 21:34Speaker 11: more commandos fought it out with gunmen who fled across
- 21:37Speaker 11: the rooftops. When it was over, there were five cartel
- 21:41Speaker 11: members dead and six in custody, but once again Choppo
- 21:46Speaker 11: with Cholo Ivan had vanished. A couple of days later,
- 21:51Speaker 11: the Marines took us to the safe house in Los
- 21:54Speaker 11: Moches in an armed convoy. Here, just inside the gate
- 21:58Speaker 11: a pool of blood where the marine was shot sangre blood,
- 22:03Speaker 11: and inside the door more bloodstains. The walls pock marked
- 22:07Speaker 11: with bullet holes and the scars of exploding shrapnel. And
- 22:11Speaker 11: remember that walk in closet. The mirrors masked a hidden door.
- 22:16Speaker 11: Behind the secret door the entrance to one of El
- 22:19Speaker 11: Chopo's trademark tunnels. It's connected to a network of storm
- 22:24Speaker 11: drains and sewers. It was forty five minutes before they
- 22:28Speaker 11: found El Chapo's escape route. That morning the Marines gave chase.
- 22:35Speaker 15: We intensified the search inside the tunnels, opening manhole covers
- 22:39Speaker 15: and inserting people into the sewers.
- 22:41Speaker 11: Then it started raining hard.
- 22:45Speaker 14: This bois after twenty minutes of rain. We thought that
- 22:50Speaker 14: Chapo might drown in the sewers because of the high
- 22:53Speaker 14: level of the water.
- 22:54Speaker 10: So he popped up out of the manhole right in
- 22:58Speaker 10: the middle of a busy street.
- 23:01Speaker 14: That was his only option.
- 23:03Speaker 10: So this is where he came out. He popped out
- 23:06Speaker 10: of this manhole cover, which is about a half mile
- 23:09Speaker 10: from the house, straight down the road.
- 23:10Speaker 14: There.
- 23:11Speaker 11: Look carefully at the security camera footage from the gas
- 23:15Speaker 11: station across the street at eight fifty five am, four
- 23:19Speaker 11: hours after the first shots were exchanged. Right there you
- 23:23Speaker 11: can see Chopo and Cholo Ivan climbing out of the sewer.
- 23:27Speaker 11: And then in this cell phone video you can see
- 23:30Speaker 11: them carjack a white VW Jetta and speed away. The
- 23:34Speaker 11: fugitives got only three blocks before the Jetta broke down,
- 23:38Speaker 11: so they jacked a second car, a red Ford Focus,
- 23:42Speaker 11: but only a couple of miles out of town, that
- 23:45Speaker 11: car broke down. Within minutes, the Federal Emergency Center got
- 23:50Speaker 11: two reports of hijacked vehicles on the highway out of town.
- 23:54Speaker 11: The marines found the Ford already on the bed of
- 23:57Speaker 11: a tow truck, but no sign of Chopp and his lieutenant.
- 24:01Speaker 11: They had been picked up by the Federal police and
- 24:04Speaker 11: taken to a nearby motel. What were they doing in
- 24:08Speaker 11: the backseat of the police car.
- 24:11Speaker 15: They weren't talking. They were relaxed, but they looked confused.
- 24:16Speaker 11: No one knows why the Federal police took Choppo to
- 24:19Speaker 11: the motel instead of to jail, but Peter Vincent has
- 24:23Speaker 11: a theory.
- 24:24Speaker 12: El Choppo undoubtedly said one you let me go now,
- 24:29Speaker 12: and I will make you wealthier beyond your wild imaginations.
- 24:34Speaker 12: If you should choose to decline my most generous offer,
- 24:39Speaker 12: I am not only going to kill you, but I
- 24:42Speaker 12: am going to rape and kill your wife and your daughters,
- 24:47Speaker 12: and I'm going to torture your sons.
- 24:49Speaker 10: He has behaved like that in the past.
- 24:51Speaker 12: He has behaved like that virtually his entire criminal career,
- 24:55Speaker 12: bribes and threats, bribes and threats, bribes and bullets. Luckily,
- 25:02Speaker 12: the Mexican Marines showed up, realized what was going on,
- 25:07Speaker 12: and took control of the situation.
- 25:10Speaker 11: Chopo was flown to Mexico City for booking. He was
- 25:13Speaker 11: paraded before reporters and returned to Altiplano, the same prison
- 25:18Speaker 11: from which he had escaped last July.
- 25:21Speaker 12: This time, he is rotated from cell to cell to sell.
- 25:26Speaker 12: Guards are circulated every fifteen minutes through whatever cell he
- 25:32Speaker 12: happens to be occupying on that particular day.
- 25:35Speaker 11: The US Justice Department, once Guzman extradited, brought here to
- 25:39Speaker 11: face charges for his crimes. Seven separate jurisdictions, including New York, Chicago,
- 25:45Speaker 11: and San Diego, all want to put El Chapo on trial.
- 25:49Speaker 11: Juan Pedro Badillo is a lawyer who only has one client,
- 25:54Speaker 11: Al Chapo. He warns extradition can be a lengthy process.
- 26:00Speaker 10: How long do you think the whole extradition legal proceedings
- 26:05Speaker 10: will go on?
- 26:07Speaker 16: Yes, gains ten, fifteen, twenty years perhaps, or it could
- 26:11Speaker 16: be one or two years.
- 26:13Speaker 12: El Chapo Guzman knows that if he is ultimately extradited
- 26:17Speaker 12: to the United States, it's essentially game over for him.
- 26:21Speaker 11: Soon after Choppo's arrest, the US Mexico Task Force captured
- 26:25Speaker 11: another two dozen Sinaloa cartel members.
- 26:29Speaker 12: It sends an incredibly powerful message to current kingpins, to
- 26:35Speaker 12: future Narco traffickers that you may run, you may hide,
- 26:41Speaker 12: but ultimately this multinational force will track you down from
- 26:46Speaker 12: the highest mountains or the deepest, darkest jungles, or through
- 26:49Speaker 12: the stinking sewers of towns and cities anywhere in the
- 26:52Speaker 12: world and bring you to justice.
- 27:03Speaker 16: Charlie and Carol Gasco were an elderly couple who moved
- 27:07Speaker 16: to Santa Monica, California, sometime in early nineteen ninety seven
- 27:11Speaker 16: to begin a new phase of their life.
- 27:13Speaker 7: For the next.
- 27:13Speaker 16: Fourteen years, they did almost nothing that was memorable, and
- 27:17Speaker 16: they would be of absolutely no interest if it weren't
- 27:20Speaker 16: for the fact that Charlie Gasco turned out to be
- 27:23Speaker 16: James Whitey Bulger, the notorious Boston gangster and longtime fugitive
- 27:28Speaker 16: who's just beginning to serve two lifetime sentences. Carol Gasco
- 27:32Speaker 16: was actually Catherine Gregg Whitey's longtime girlfriend and caregiver. The
- 27:37Speaker 16: story of how they managed to elude an international manhunt
- 27:40Speaker 16: for so long while hiding in plain sight is interesting Tonight,
- 27:44Speaker 16: you'll hear it from the Gasco's neighbors and for the
- 27:46Speaker 16: first time from the federal agents who finally unraveled the
- 27:49Speaker 16: case with the help of a boob job and an
- 27:52Speaker 16: alley cat. If you're forced into retirement with a comfortable
- 27:57Speaker 16: nestag and a desire to be left completely alone, there
- 28:00Speaker 16: is no better place than Santa Monica, California. This low
- 28:04Speaker 16: key seaside suburb of la is shared by transients and tourists,
- 28:08Speaker 16: hippies and hedonists, celebrities, and lots of senior citizens attracted
- 28:13Speaker 16: to the climate, and an abundance of inexpensive rent control
- 28:17Speaker 16: departments just a few blocks from the ocean, places like
- 28:21Speaker 16: the Princess Eugenia on Third Street, which is where Charlie
- 28:24Speaker 16: and Carol Gasco, a childless couple from Chicago, lived for
- 28:28Speaker 16: fourteen years without attracting much attention from longtime neighbors or landlords.
- 28:34Speaker 16: Josh Bond is the building manager.
- 28:36Speaker 7: What were they like?
- 28:37Speaker 17: They were like the nice, retired old couple that lived
- 28:40Speaker 17: in the apartment next to me. Good tenants, excellent tenants,
- 28:43Speaker 17: never complained, always paid rent on time in cash and cash.
- 28:47Speaker 16: Janice Good wouldn't live down the hole.
- 28:49Speaker 18: They had nothing. Then they never went out. They'd never
- 28:53Speaker 18: had fruit delivered. She never dressed nicely.
- 28:56Speaker 16: You thought they were poor, Yes, without a doubt. The
- 29:00Speaker 16: one thing everyone remembers about the Gascos is that they
- 29:03Speaker 16: loved animals and always made a fuss over the ones
- 29:06Speaker 16: in the neighborhood. Barbara Gluck remembers that Carol Gasco always
- 29:10Speaker 16: fed a stray cat after its owner had died.
- 29:13Speaker 19: She would, you know, pet it and be sweet to it,
- 29:17Speaker 19: and then she would put a plate of food like
- 29:20Speaker 19: out here.
- 29:21Speaker 10: And she liked the cat.
- 29:23Speaker 19: Obviously she loved the cat, and we all liked the cat.
- 29:27Speaker 5: But she was taking care of the cat.
- 29:29Speaker 7: And what about Charlie Gascon, You.
- 29:31Speaker 19: Know, he always had a hat on and dark glasses.
- 29:35Speaker 19: I have to say, it was mysterious to me why
- 29:39Speaker 19: a lovely woman.
- 29:40Speaker 5: Like that.
- 29:42Speaker 19: Was hanging out with that guy, that old grumpy man.
- 29:45Speaker 19: I never could figure that one out until I heard
- 29:49Speaker 19: they had eight hundred thousand something dollars in the wall.
- 29:54Speaker 5: And then I went, oh, okay.
- 29:56Speaker 16: You know money wasn't the only thing found in the
- 29:59Speaker 16: Gascos apartment on June twenty second, twenty and eleven, when
- 30:03Speaker 16: the FBI stopped by and ended what it called the
- 30:06Speaker 16: most extensive manhunt in the bureau's history.
- 30:09Speaker 20: Weapons all over the apartment, I mean weapons by his nightstand,
- 30:12Speaker 20: weapons under the windowsill, shotguns, mini rugers, rifles loaded, loaded,
- 30:17Speaker 20: ready to go.
- 30:18Speaker 16: What had started out as a routine day for Special
- 30:21Speaker 16: Agent Scott Gariola, who was in charge of hunting fugitives
- 30:25Speaker 16: in LA would turn into one of the most interesting
- 30:27Speaker 16: days of his career. After getting a call to stake
- 30:30Speaker 16: out of building in Santa Monica, he notified his backup
- 30:33Speaker 16: team with the LAPD.
- 30:35Speaker 20: Had four guys working that day, and they said, we
- 30:37Speaker 20: got a tip on Whitey Bulger, and I'll see you
- 30:40Speaker 20: there in about an hour, and invariably the text will return.
- 30:44Speaker 10: Who's Whitey Bulger?
- 30:46Speaker 2: Really?
- 30:46Speaker 20: A few of them had remind him, gently, remind him
- 30:49Speaker 20: who Whitey Bulger was.
- 30:50Speaker 7: That he was number one on the FBI's.
- 30:53Speaker 20: Number one number one big East Coast figure, but in
- 30:56Speaker 20: the West Coast not so much.
- 30:58Speaker 10: Imagine a cartel leader, the.
- 30:59Speaker 16: Cops said in la were focused on gangbangers and cartel members,
- 31:03Speaker 16: not some retired Irish mobster who hadn't been spotted in
- 31:06Speaker 16: sixteen years. But then, few mobsters have ever been as
- 31:10Speaker 16: infamous in the city as Whitey Bulger was in Boston,
- 31:14Speaker 16: and his reputation was for more than just being grumpy.
- 31:17Speaker 16: Besides extortion and flooding the city with cocaine, Bulger routinely
- 31:22Speaker 16: performed or ordered executions, some at close range, some with
- 31:26Speaker 16: a halo of bullets, and at least won by strangulation,
- 31:29Speaker 16: after which it said he took a nap. A special
- 31:32Speaker 16: agent Rich Tan, who ran the FBI's Whitey Bulger Fugitive
- 31:36Speaker 16: Task Force, had hurt it all.
- 31:38Speaker 7: Bulger was charged with nineteen counts of murder.
- 31:40Speaker 2: He was charged with other crimes.
- 31:42Speaker 9: He was scorged to the Society in South austin his
- 31:46Speaker 9: own community.
- 31:48Speaker 16: He was also a scourged to the FBI and a
- 31:50Speaker 16: great source of embarrassment to ti In special Agent Phil
- 31:54Speaker 16: Toursney and others on the FBI task force. Years earlier,
- 31:58Speaker 16: Whitey Bulger had infiltrate the Boston office of the FBI
- 32:02Speaker 16: and bought off agents who protected him and plied him
- 32:05Speaker 16: with information including the tip that allowed Bulger to flee
- 32:09Speaker 16: just days before he was to be indicted.
- 32:11Speaker 9: We really had to catch this guy to establish credibility
- 32:16Speaker 9: after all the other issues, and it was just a
- 32:18Speaker 9: matter of bringing this guy back to Boston to make
- 32:20Speaker 9: sure this guy didn't die or you know, or get
- 32:23Speaker 9: away with this thing.
- 32:25Speaker 16: Torsney, who's now retired, and the agent Tommy MacDonald joined
- 32:28Speaker 16: the task force in two thousand and nine. The joke
- 32:31Speaker 16: was Bulger was on the FBI's least wanted list. There
- 32:34Speaker 16: hadn't been a credible lead in more than a decade,
- 32:37Speaker 16: and their efforts in Bulger's old neighborhood of South Boston
- 32:40Speaker 16: were met with mistrust, in ridicule.
- 32:43Speaker 9: Some people, they told us right out from you guys
- 32:45Speaker 9: aren't looking.
- 32:45Speaker 2: For that guy.
- 32:46Speaker 9: People just made the assumption we had him stash somewhere.
- 32:49Speaker 9: I mean, people really thought that kind of thing.
- 32:51Speaker 21: Despite that mindset that we're not going to help you,
- 32:55Speaker 21: the FBI still got it done.
- 32:57Speaker 7: Took sixteen years. Took sixteen years.
- 32:59Speaker 21: This was a typical fugitive.
- 33:02Speaker 16: The FBI says Bulger had planned his getaway years in advance,
- 33:05Speaker 16: with money set aside in a fake identity for A.
- 33:08Speaker 16: Thomas Baxter. During his first two years on the LAMB,
- 33:12Speaker 16: Bulger was in touch with friends and family, shuttling between
- 33:16Speaker 16: New York, Chicago, and the resort town of Grand Isle, Louisiana,
- 33:20Speaker 16: where he rented a home, until his identity was compromised.
- 33:24Speaker 16: After that, it seemed as if Bulger had disappeared from
- 33:27Speaker 16: the face of the earth, except for the alleged sightings
- 33:30Speaker 16: all over the world.
- 33:32Speaker 7: How many of these tips do you think might have
- 33:34Speaker 7: been true? Boy?
- 33:35Speaker 9: There was thousands and thousands of tips, and I think
- 33:40Speaker 9: I don't think any of.
- 33:41Speaker 2: Them are true.
- 33:42Speaker 16: One of the obstacles was there were really no good
- 33:45Speaker 16: photographs of Bulger or his longtime living girlfriend, Katherine Gregg,
- 33:49Speaker 16: a former dental hygienist. The FBI often noted that the
- 33:53Speaker 16: couple shared a love of animals, especially dogs and cats,
- 33:57Speaker 16: and asked veterinarians to be on the lookout. There were
- 34:00Speaker 16: reports that greg once had breast implants and other plastic
- 34:04Speaker 16: surgery in Boston, so the task force reached out to physicians.
- 34:08Speaker 16: Eventually they got a call from a doctor, Matthias Donolan,
- 34:11Speaker 16: who had located her files in storage.
- 34:14Speaker 21: I was trying to leave the officer early to catch
- 34:16Speaker 21: one of my kids' ballgames. And I said, well, listen,
- 34:18Speaker 21: I'm going to swing by in the morning and pick
- 34:20Speaker 21: those up. And they said to me, do you want
- 34:23Speaker 21: the photos too, And they said you have photos and
- 34:27Speaker 21: they said, yeah, we have photos. I said, we'll be
- 34:29Speaker 21: there in fifteen minutes.
- 34:30Speaker 16: The breast implant lead produced a treasure trove of high
- 34:34Speaker 16: resolution Catherine greg photographs that would help crack the case.
- 34:38Speaker 16: The FBI decided to switch strategies going after the girlfriend
- 34:42Speaker 16: in order to catch the gangster.
- 34:44Speaker 1: This is an announcement by the FBI.
- 34:47Speaker 16: The FBI created this public service announcement.
- 34:50Speaker 5: Sixty year old Greeg is the girlfriend of eighty one
- 34:52Speaker 5: year old ballger.
- 34:53Speaker 16: It ran in fourteen markets on daytime talk shows aimed
- 34:56Speaker 16: at women.
- 34:57Speaker 1: Called the tip line at one eight hundred call.
- 34:59Speaker 16: FBI, and it didn't take long. The very next morning,
- 35:03Speaker 16: the Bulger Task Force got three messages from someone that
- 35:06Speaker 16: used to live in Santa Monica and was one hundred
- 35:09Speaker 16: percent certain that Charlie and Carol Gasco Apartment three to
- 35:13Speaker 16: oh three at the Princess Eugenia Apartments were the people
- 35:16Speaker 16: they were looking for. The descriptions and the age difference
- 35:19Speaker 16: matched and Deputy US Marshall Neil Sullivan, who handled the lead,
- 35:24Speaker 16: said there was another piece of tantalizing information.
- 35:27Speaker 22: The tips A specifically described that they were caring for
- 35:30Speaker 22: this cat and their love for this cat. So that
- 35:32Speaker 22: was just one piece of the puzzle on the tip
- 35:35Speaker 22: that just added up to saying if this isn't damn
- 35:38Speaker 22: it's it's something we better check out immediately because it
- 35:41Speaker 22: sure sounds like them.
- 35:43Speaker 16: A search of the FBI's computer database for the gascoes
- 35:46Speaker 16: raised another red flag, not for what it found, but
- 35:49Speaker 16: for what it didn't.
- 35:50Speaker 22: Basically like they were ghosts. No driver's license exactly, no
- 35:54Speaker 22: driver's license, no California ID, Like they didn't exist.
- 35:58Speaker 16: That's the apartment that corner the third floor on the
- 36:01Speaker 16: right hand side YEP. By early afternoon, FBI agent Scott
- 36:04Speaker 16: Gariola had set up a number of surveillance posts and
- 36:08Speaker 16: had already met with apartment manager Josh Bond to talk
- 36:11Speaker 16: about his tenants.
- 36:12Speaker 17: He closed the door, threw down a folder and open
- 36:15Speaker 17: it up and said, are these the people that live
- 36:17Speaker 17: in a part of three oh three?
- 36:19Speaker 7: Did you say anything when you saw the pictures?
- 36:22Speaker 17: Mys reaction was holy.
- 36:24Speaker 7: You're living next door to a gangster.
- 36:26Speaker 17: Well, I still didn't really know who he was.
- 36:28Speaker 16: But it didn't take him long to figure it out.
- 36:31Speaker 16: While the FBI was mulling its options, Bond logged onto
- 36:34Speaker 16: Bulger's Wikipedia page.
- 36:36Speaker 17: I'm just kind of scrolling down. It's like, oh, wow,
- 36:38Speaker 17: this guy's serious. It's like murders and extortion. And then
- 36:42Speaker 17: I get to the bottom and there's this this thing.
- 36:44Speaker 17: It's like from one of his old people saying, well,
- 36:47Speaker 17: the last time I saw him, he said, you know,
- 36:49Speaker 17: when he goes out, he's he's gonna have guns and
- 36:51Speaker 17: he's gonna be ready to.
- 36:52Speaker 7: Take people with him.
- 36:53Speaker 17: I was like, oh, maybe I shouldn't be involved in this, and.
- 36:56Speaker 7: We were sitting here laughing about it. But he's a
- 36:58Speaker 7: pretty serious guy.
- 37:00Speaker 19: Yeah.
- 37:00Speaker 7: Yeah, I've killed a lot of people, had them kill.
- 37:03Speaker 17: I didn't know that at the time.
- 37:05Speaker 16: Bond told the FBI he wasn't going to knock on
- 37:08Speaker 16: the Gasco's door because there was a note posted expressly
- 37:12Speaker 16: asking people not to bother them. Carol had told neighbors
- 37:15Speaker 16: that Charlie was showing signs of dementia.
- 37:17Speaker 10: So we were back there.
- 37:19Speaker 16: So Garyola devised a ruse involving the gasco storage locker
- 37:23Speaker 16: in the garage had the name Gasco.
- 37:25Speaker 20: Across an apartment three.
- 37:27Speaker 16: H three, he had the manager called to tell them
- 37:30Speaker 16: that their locker had been broken into and that he
- 37:32Speaker 16: needed someone to come down to see if anything was missing.
- 37:35Speaker 16: Carol Gasco said her husband would be right down.
- 37:38Speaker 10: We just rushed him.
- 37:39Speaker 7: He mean guns out, FBI, don't move.
- 37:42Speaker 23: Gave the words hey, FBI and get your hands up.
- 37:46Speaker 23: Hands went up right away.
- 37:47Speaker 20: And then at that moment we told him get down
- 37:49Speaker 20: on his knees, and he gave us yeah. He gave
- 37:53Speaker 20: us I ain't getting down on my f and knees.
- 37:55Speaker 7: Didn't want to get his pantstory.
- 37:56Speaker 20: You don't want to get his pants dirty, you know,
- 37:58Speaker 20: wearing white and seeing the oil and ground.
- 38:00Speaker 10: I guess he didn't want to get down in a will.
- 38:02Speaker 16: Even at eighty one. This was a man used to
- 38:04Speaker 16: being in control.
- 38:05Speaker 20: I asked him to identify himself and acting to go
- 38:08Speaker 20: over well. He asked me to fin identify myself, which
- 38:11Speaker 20: I did, and I asked him, I.
- 38:13Speaker 10: Said, are you are you Whitey Bulger? He said yes.
- 38:16Speaker 20: Just about that moment, someone catches my attention from a
- 38:20Speaker 20: few feet away by the elevator chef.
- 38:21Speaker 16: It was Janice Goodwin from the third floor, coming to
- 38:24Speaker 16: do her laundry, and I.
- 38:25Speaker 18: So, excuse me, I think I can help you. This
- 38:28Speaker 18: man has dementia, so if he's acting oddly, you know,
- 38:33Speaker 18: that could be why.
- 38:34Speaker 20: Immediately we flashed through my mind as oh my god,
- 38:36Speaker 20: I just arrested an eighty one year old man with
- 38:38Speaker 20: Alzheimer's who thinks he's Whitey Bulger. What is he going
- 38:41Speaker 20: to tell me next? He's Elvis, So I said, do
- 38:43Speaker 20: me a favor. I said, this woman up here says
- 38:45Speaker 20: you have a touch of Alzheimer's. He said, don't listen
- 38:48Speaker 20: to her. She's f n nuts. He says, I'm James Bulger.
- 38:52Speaker 16: A few minutes later, he confirmed it, signing a consent
- 38:55Speaker 16: form allowing the FBI to search his apartment.
- 38:58Speaker 20: As he's signing, he says, that's the first time I
- 39:01Speaker 20: signed that name in a long time.
- 39:02Speaker 7: There was a feeling of resignation.
- 39:05Speaker 23: I don't think he had it.
- 39:06Speaker 20: I did ask him. I said, hey, white I said,
- 39:08Speaker 20: aren't you relieved that you don't have to look over
- 39:11Speaker 20: your shoulder anymore? And it's come to an end? And
- 39:14Speaker 20: he said, are you nuts?
- 39:16Speaker 16: But in some ways Whitey Bulger and Catherine Gregg had
- 39:19Speaker 16: already been prisoners in Apartment three oh three, which appeared
- 39:23Speaker 16: to be a mixture of the murderers in the mundane
- 39:27Speaker 16: alongside the weapons and all the money they had stockpiled
- 39:31Speaker 16: the lifetime supply of cleansers, creams, and detergents. The FBI
- 39:36Speaker 16: took special interest in a collection of sixty four ounce
- 39:39Speaker 16: bottles with white sock stretched over the top.
- 39:42Speaker 20: I said, hey, Whitey, what are these? Are some kind
- 39:44Speaker 20: of Molotov cocktail you're making? He goes, No, he said,
- 39:47Speaker 20: I buy tube sox from the ninety nine cent store,
- 39:50Speaker 20: and the two tied of Mike Calves, so I stretched
- 39:52Speaker 20: them out. I said, why are you shopping at the
- 39:54Speaker 20: ninety nine cent store? You have half a million dollars
- 39:56Speaker 20: under your bed, He goes, I had to make the
- 39:58Speaker 20: money last.
- 40:00Speaker 16: It's been said that one of the reasons it took
- 40:02Speaker 16: so long to catch Whitey Bulger is that people were
- 40:05Speaker 16: looking for a gangster in Bulger, whether he liked it
- 40:08Speaker 16: or not, had ceased to be one.
- 40:10Speaker 9: He said, it was hard to keep up that mindset
- 40:13Speaker 9: of a criminal, and that's part of the reason he
- 40:16Speaker 9: came down to that garage. He said, if he was
- 40:19Speaker 9: on his game, you know, fifteen twenty thirty years ago,
- 40:22Speaker 9: he probably would have sent something there. But it was
- 40:27Speaker 9: hard to stay on that edge, that criminal edge. After
- 40:30Speaker 9: being on the lamb as a regular citizen for fifteen years.
- 40:33Speaker 16: The master Manipulator gave credit to Catherine Gregg for keeping
- 40:36Speaker 16: him crime free, hoping it would mitigate her sentence. She's
- 40:40Speaker 16: now serving eight years for harboring a fugitive. On the
- 40:44Speaker 16: long plane ride back to Boston, Bulger told his captors
- 40:47Speaker 16: that he became obsessed with not getting caught and would
- 40:50Speaker 16: do anything to avoid it, even if it meant obeying
- 40:53Speaker 16: the law. Whitey Bulger's biggest fear, they said, was being
- 40:57Speaker 16: discovered dead in his apartment. A plan to avoid it.
- 41:01Speaker 9: If he became ill and knew he was on his deathbed,
- 41:04Speaker 9: he'd go down Arizona, crawl down the bottom one of
- 41:06Speaker 9: these mines and die and decompose and hope, hope that
- 41:11Speaker 9: we would never find him and still be looking for
- 41:14Speaker 9: him forever.
- 41:34Speaker 1: Shortly after nine to eleven, the Pentagon ordered a top
- 41:37Speaker 1: secret team of American commandos into Afghanistan with a single
- 41:42Speaker 1: simple order, kill Osama bin Laden. It was America's best
- 41:47Speaker 1: chance to eliminate the leader of al Qaeda. The inside
- 41:51Speaker 1: story of exactly what happened in that mission and how
- 41:54Speaker 1: close it came to its objective has never been told
- 41:57Speaker 1: until tonight. The man you're about to meet was the
- 42:00Speaker 1: officer in command leading a team from the US Army's
- 42:04Speaker 1: mysterious Delta Force, a unit so secret it's often said
- 42:08Speaker 1: that Delta doesn't exist. But you're about to see Delta's
- 42:13Speaker 1: operators in action. Why would the mission commander break his
- 42:17Speaker 1: silence after seven years? He told us that most everything
- 42:21Speaker 1: he's read in the media about his mission is wrong,
- 42:24Speaker 1: and tonight he wants to set the record straight.
- 42:28Speaker 24: Our job is to go find him, catch or kill him.
- 42:31Speaker 24: And we knew the writing on the wall was really
- 42:33Speaker 24: to kill him. No one wanted to bring us on
- 42:34Speaker 24: the line back to stan trial in the United States somewhere.
- 42:37Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, just ten weeks after nine
- 42:40Speaker 1: to eleven, he was a thirty seven year old Army
- 42:43Speaker 1: major leading a team of America's most elite commandos. Even now,
- 42:48Speaker 1: we can't tell you his name or show you his face.
- 42:52Speaker 1: We hired a theatrical makeup artist to take the former
- 42:55Speaker 1: Delta officer through a series of transformations to create the
- 42:59Speaker 1: man you see now. He calls himself Dalton Fury. He's
- 43:03Speaker 1: the author of Kill Bin Laden, a new book out
- 43:05Speaker 1: this week. Dalton Fury is used to disguise as in fact,
- 43:09Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, his entire team transformed itself
- 43:14Speaker 1: in Afghanistan.
- 43:16Speaker 24: Everybody has their beer grown, everybody's were on local Afghan clothing,
- 43:21Speaker 24: sometimes carrying the same weapons as them.
- 43:22Speaker 1: The idea was that if this all worked out, Osama
- 43:26Speaker 1: bin Laden would be dead and no one would ever
- 43:29Speaker 1: know that Delta Force was there.
- 43:31Speaker 24: That's right, That's the plan, and that always is when
- 43:34Speaker 24: you're talking about Delta Force.
- 43:36Speaker 1: And there was no mission more important to the United States.
- 43:40Speaker 23: We'll smoke him out of his cave and we'll get
- 43:43Speaker 23: him eventually.
- 43:45Speaker 1: But the administration's strategy was to let Afghans do most
- 43:48Speaker 1: of the fighting. Using radio intercepts and other intelligence, the
- 43:53Speaker 1: CIA pinpointed Bin Laden in the mountains near the border
- 43:56Speaker 1: of Pakistan, following the strategy of keeping an apt face
- 44:00Speaker 1: on the war. Fury's Delta team joined the CIA and
- 44:04Speaker 1: Afghan fighters and piled into pickup trucks. They videotaped their
- 44:09Speaker 1: journey to a place called Tora Bora. Fury told us
- 44:13Speaker 1: his orders were to kill Ben Laden and leave the
- 44:17Speaker 1: body with the Afghans.
- 44:19Speaker 24: Right here, you're looking at basically the battlefield from the
- 44:22Speaker 24: last location that we had firm on a somber Law's location.
- 44:25Speaker 1: This ridge line is at about fourteen thousand feet and
- 44:28Speaker 1: back this way toward me is Pakistan.
- 44:30Speaker 23: That's right.
- 44:30Speaker 1: On a scale of say one to ten, ten being
- 44:33Speaker 1: the toughest. How tough a position is this.
- 44:36Speaker 23: To attack, in my experience is to ten.
- 44:40Speaker 1: Delta developed an audacious plan to come at Bin Laden
- 44:43Speaker 1: from the one direction he would never expect.
- 44:46Speaker 23: We want to come in on the back door.
- 44:48Speaker 1: You were going to come up over the tops of
- 44:50Speaker 1: the peaks.
- 44:50Speaker 23: That's right.
- 44:51Speaker 24: The original plan that we sent up to a higher headquarters,
- 44:54Speaker 24: Delta Force wants to come in over the mountain with
- 44:57Speaker 24: oxygen coming from the Pakistan side over the mountain, to
- 45:00Speaker 24: come in and get a drop on the line from behind.
- 45:03Speaker 2: Why didn't you do that?
- 45:04Speaker 24: Disapproved at some level above us, whether that was a
- 45:08Speaker 24: central command or all the way up to the president
- 45:10Speaker 24: states I'm not sure.
- 45:12Speaker 1: The next option Delta wanted to employ was to drop
- 45:15Speaker 1: hundreds of land mines in the mountain passes that led
- 45:18Speaker 1: to Pakistan ben Ladden's escape route.
- 45:21Speaker 24: First, God blows his leg off. Everybelle stops. That allows
- 45:24Speaker 24: aircraft overhead to find them. They see all these heat
- 45:27Speaker 24: sources out there. Okay, there's a big, large group of
- 45:29Speaker 24: all Kainda moving south.
- 45:30Speaker 23: They can engage that.
- 45:31Speaker 1: Why didn't you do that?
- 45:32Speaker 23: Disapprove?
- 45:34Speaker 1: Why was it not approved?
- 45:36Speaker 23: I have no idea.
- 45:38Speaker 1: How often does Delta come up with a tactical plan
- 45:41Speaker 1: that's disapproved by higher headquarters.
- 45:43Speaker 24: In my experience, in my five years of Delta, never before.
- 45:47Speaker 1: The military wouldn't tell us who rejected the plans or why.
- 45:51Speaker 1: Fury wasn't happy about it, but he pressed on with
- 45:55Speaker 1: the only option he had left, a frontal assault on
- 45:58Speaker 1: ben Ladden's dug In alcohol of fighters, the Delta team
- 46:02Speaker 1: had only about fifty men, so the mission would depend
- 46:05Speaker 1: on the Afghan militia as guides and muscle. Their leader
- 46:10Speaker 1: was a warlord, a self styled general named Ali.
- 46:14Speaker 24: Ali told us after about thirty seconds of discussion, he
- 46:17Speaker 24: kind of listened to me Arambalan, and then the first
- 46:19Speaker 24: thing he said was, I don't think you guys can
- 46:22Speaker 24: handle it.
- 46:22Speaker 23: You can't handle Al Kada in these mountains.
- 46:25Speaker 1: Ali second from the left, met with this CIA officer
- 46:29Speaker 1: and accepted millions of dollars in cash from the agency.
- 46:33Speaker 1: In short order, his muja Hadeen fighters were escorting Delta
- 46:37Speaker 1: force into the mountains. Paint the picture for me of
- 46:40Speaker 1: these Afghan muja Hadeen troops.
- 46:43Speaker 24: They ranged anywhere from maybe fourteen up to maybe eighty.
- 46:49Speaker 23: Various dress.
- 46:50Speaker 24: Basically we would probably consider it rags, which is the
- 46:53Speaker 24: standard dress for a Mujahadeen warrior.
- 46:56Speaker 1: This is video of the top secret mission, never seen
- 46:59Speaker 1: by the public. It was recorded by the Delta commandos
- 47:02Speaker 1: themselves dressed like Afghans. The Americans maneuvered up the mountains,
- 47:08Speaker 1: calling in airstrikes on al Qaeda. By day they would advance,
- 47:12Speaker 1: but at night they soon discovered that their Afghan allies
- 47:17Speaker 1: went home. Well, I have to assume that if you
- 47:21Speaker 1: started up the hills of Tora Bora and the muja
- 47:24Speaker 1: Hadeen took territory, they didn't abandon.
- 47:27Speaker 23: That at night, Oh yes they did.
- 47:29Speaker 2: They gave it up to the enemy.
- 47:31Speaker 23: Absolutely.
- 47:31Speaker 24: The Mujadin would go up, get into a skirmish, firefight,
- 47:35Speaker 24: lose a guy or too, maybe killing al Kada guy
- 47:37Speaker 24: or two and then they leave. It was almost like
- 47:39Speaker 24: it was an agreement in understanding between the two forces
- 47:41Speaker 24: fighting each other, almost put on a good show and
- 47:44Speaker 24: then leave.
- 47:45Speaker 1: Four days after arriving in Tora Bora Dalton, Fury was
- 47:49Speaker 1: faced with a fateful command decision. Three of his men
- 47:53Speaker 1: were in trouble behind enemy lines, and at the same time,
- 47:57Speaker 1: the CIA had been listening to Ben Laden's radio transmissions
- 48:01Speaker 1: and had a breakthrough.
- 48:03Speaker 23: And this is where it gets complicated.
- 48:05Speaker 24: At about the same time the CIA George comes into
- 48:08Speaker 24: our room and he says, guys, I got a location
- 48:11Speaker 24: for sam bin Laden. That's probably the best location of
- 48:14Speaker 24: data we've had on sam Mi Lan.
- 48:15Speaker 1: Ever, it was night, so Fury was without his Afghan allies. Still,
- 48:21Speaker 1: he managed to rescue his men and then found himself
- 48:25Speaker 1: approaching bin Laden's doorstep.
- 48:27Speaker 24: We're about two thousand meters away when we think Ben
- 48:30Speaker 24: Lond's at still from where we're at.
- 48:33Speaker 23: Now, we have to make a decision.
- 48:35Speaker 1: Fury had two choices. Advance his small team with no
- 48:38Speaker 1: Afghan support, or returned to camp and assault In the morning.
- 48:42Speaker 1: He was under orders to make the Afghans take the
- 48:45Speaker 1: lead and intelligence said there were more than one thousand
- 48:49Speaker 1: hardened fighters protecting ben Laden. You write in the book
- 48:53Speaker 1: my decision to abort that effort to kill or capture
- 48:56Speaker 1: Bin Laden when we might have been within two thousand
- 48:59Speaker 1: meters of him about two thousand yards still bothers me.
- 49:04Speaker 1: It leaves me with a feeling of somehow letting down
- 49:07Speaker 1: our nation at.
- 49:08Speaker 2: A critical time.
- 49:10Speaker 23: That's correct.
- 49:14Speaker 1: Why do you feel that way?
- 49:17Speaker 24: Had we gone up that ridge line towards that location,
- 49:22Speaker 24: some be Laden might have been five hundred meters away.
- 49:24Speaker 24: We might have run right into him. So there's always
- 49:26Speaker 24: that doubt that we might have run into him. We
- 49:29Speaker 24: also might have got up there and found nothing. It
- 49:32Speaker 24: wasn't worth the risk at that particular moment to go
- 49:35Speaker 24: up there and play cowboy. It was better to be
- 49:38Speaker 24: cautious refit, go up there with the entire force the
- 49:42Speaker 24: next day and play the battle out as we had planned.
- 49:45Speaker 1: In the morning, Ben Laden was on the radio. The
- 49:47Speaker 1: CIA Delta and their Afghan allies were listening. How did
- 49:52Speaker 1: the Afghans react when they heard from Osama Bin Laden
- 49:55Speaker 1: on the radio?
- 49:58Speaker 24: Some of Laden is many a Muslim's hero. These guys,
- 50:04Speaker 24: in my opinion, were more in awe of Osama bin
- 50:07Speaker 24: Laden than they were willing to kill him. When they
- 50:10Speaker 24: heard him talking on the radio, they would gather around
- 50:13Speaker 24: the individual to hell that handheld transistor. He would hold
- 50:16Speaker 24: it up in the air, almost as if he didn't
- 50:17Speaker 24: want the connection to break, almost like they could see
- 50:20Speaker 24: the ridge line with Lada happened to be talking from
- 50:22Speaker 24: like they could almost see him and feel his presence.
- 50:25Speaker 24: And they just stood there with white eyes and someone
- 50:27Speaker 24: in awe that here is a leader of the Jahad,
- 50:31Speaker 24: the leader of al Qaeda, and they're actually hearing his
- 50:33Speaker 24: voice over the radio.
- 50:34Speaker 1: And these were the men who were supposed to help
- 50:37Speaker 1: you capture or killing some allies.
- 50:42Speaker 23: Some were better than others.
- 50:45Speaker 1: The radio intercepts gave Delta a fix on Ben Ladden's location,
- 50:49Speaker 1: and one of the Delta soldiers narrated his own video.
- 50:53Speaker 6: This top hill, very top up there, that supposedly were
- 51:00Speaker 6: Ben Lon's hanging out. We've seen movement along this saddle
- 51:08Speaker 6: right here. We don't know if it's up friendly or not,
- 51:12Speaker 6: so we have been able caught fire on it.
- 51:14Speaker 1: And then something extraordinary happened. Fury's Afghan allies announced that
- 51:19Speaker 1: they had negotiated a ceasefire with al Qaeda, something the
- 51:23Speaker 1: Americans had no interest in. When Fury's team advanced anyway,
- 51:28Speaker 1: his Afghan partners drew their weapons on Delta. It took
- 51:32Speaker 1: twelve hours to end the bogus ceasefire, precious time for
- 51:37Speaker 1: al Qaeda to move.
- 51:38Speaker 23: So we think he's moved over here.
- 51:40Speaker 1: So Osama bin Laden starts here as far as we know,
- 51:44Speaker 1: and he's coming all the way around. Now he's doubled back.
- 51:47Speaker 2: You got to figure he's heading for the.
- 51:48Speaker 1: Valley and the pass into Pakistan.
- 51:51Speaker 23: Our assumption is he's going for the valley.
- 51:53Speaker 1: At that time, ben Laden had changed direction and the
- 51:57Speaker 1: tone of his radio calls.
- 51:59Speaker 24: Clearly under dress, clearly hurting, clearly caring.
- 52:03Speaker 1: For his men inside this building. The American team listened
- 52:07Speaker 1: to ben Laden on the radio. Fury wrote down the
- 52:10Speaker 1: translation in a notebook.
- 52:12Speaker 24: Quote, our prayers were not answered. Times are dire and bad.
- 52:19Speaker 24: We did not get support from the apostates who are
- 52:21Speaker 24: our brothers. I'm sorry for bringing you here. It is
- 52:25Speaker 24: okay to surrender. End quote.
- 52:27Speaker 1: When you heard that, what did you think?
- 52:31Speaker 23: I thought it's almost over.
- 52:33Speaker 1: Soon after that intercept, a Delta team called Jackal radioed
- 52:37Speaker 1: that they had been Laden's entourage. In sight, the.
- 52:41Speaker 24: Operation Jackal team observed fifty men moving into a cave
- 52:47Speaker 24: that they hadn't seen before. The Mouja Deans said they
- 52:50Speaker 24: saw an individual, a taller fella wearing a camouflage jacket.
- 52:54Speaker 24: Everybody put two and two together. Okay, that's got to
- 52:56Speaker 24: be a Sambad lad egressing from the battlefield. They called
- 52:59Speaker 24: up every available bomba their took a toll of the
- 53:01Speaker 24: airspace and they dropped several hours of bombs on the
- 53:04Speaker 24: cave he went into. We believe it was our penny
- 53:07Speaker 24: of the time that he died inside that cave.
- 53:10Speaker 1: Ben Ladden's radio went silent, and Dalton Fury believed that
- 53:13Speaker 1: the bombs had killed him. Six months later, American and
- 53:18Speaker 1: Canadian forces came back for proof. They checked al Qaeda
- 53:22Speaker 1: fighting holes and used explosives to try to open up
- 53:27Speaker 1: collapsed caves. This is where they hoped to find Ben
- 53:30Speaker 1: Ladden's body. It's an al Qaeda graveyard rising from the
- 53:34Speaker 1: opium poppies. The troops dug up bodies and removed the
- 53:37Speaker 1: fingers for forensic analysis, but there was no luck. In
- 53:42Speaker 1: October two thousand and four, Ben Laden released a message,
- 53:46Speaker 1: and Fury knew that his team had failed. Today based
- 53:50Speaker 1: on intelligence, Fury believes he knows what happened. He says
- 53:54Speaker 1: that Ben Ladden was wounded in the shoulder by shrapnel
- 53:57Speaker 1: from an American bomb and was then hidden in this
- 54:00Speaker 1: town next to the al Qaeda cemetery.
- 54:03Speaker 24: We believe a gentleman brought him in, a gentleman who
- 54:07Speaker 24: him and his family were supporting al Qadra during the battle.
- 54:09Speaker 24: They were providing food alma water. We think he went
- 54:13Speaker 24: to that house, received medical attention for a few days,
- 54:16Speaker 24: and then we believe they put him in a vehicle
- 54:17Speaker 24: moved them back across the pass.
- 54:19Speaker 1: This is the trail Ben Laden would have used to escape, does.
- 54:23Speaker 24: My understand They believe he got into a vehicle, he
- 54:26Speaker 24: moved as far as he could, and then got out
- 54:27Speaker 24: and walked across or was carried across the pass in
- 54:30Speaker 24: a Pakistan free and clear. When this is all over
- 54:33Speaker 24: and this all dies down, and once we finally do
- 54:35Speaker 24: grab Assamba Lauden, I think the fact that we lost
- 54:38Speaker 24: him into a bora will move out of my memory,
- 54:42Speaker 24: so to speak. Now I'm looking forward to those days