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Killer Thriller: Her Cop Husband Became A Steroid-Fueled Nightmare. Then She Had Him Killed. · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your
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  Speaker 1: host Alisa Donovan. Hey, everybody, Elisa Donovan here and this
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  Speaker 1: is Killer Thriller. Today is going to be a great
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  Speaker 1: one because I am joined by my longtime friend and colleague,
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  Speaker 1: actor David Lasher, and we will revisit two early true
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  Speaker 1: crime movies of his career, first Cries Unheard, the Donna
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  Speaker 1: Yaklich story, and then Twisted Desire. Now, both of these
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  Speaker 1: are based on shocking real cases. First, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about Cries Unheard, which tells the story of Donna Yaklich,
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  Speaker 1: whose husband, Pueblo Police detective Dennis Yaklich, was shot and
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  Speaker 1: killed in nineteen eighty five after Donna alleged years of
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  Speaker 1: physical and emotional abuse during their marriage. Prosecutors aregue that
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  Speaker 1: Donna arranged the murder, and her defense argued she was
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  Speaker 1: a battered wife who believed she had no safe way out.
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  Speaker 1: The case became one of the first in the country
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  Speaker 1: to put battered woman syndrome front and center in an
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  Speaker 1: American courtroom, and decades later, it still raises difficult questions
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  Speaker 1: about abuse, justice, survival, and accountability. David, Hi, friend, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to killer thriller.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, how's my body?
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  Speaker 1: As we said, I don't do anything in this business
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  Speaker 1: without David Lasher, So you had to come on the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and wonderfully we didn't have to make something up because
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  Speaker 1: you did these two movies that are very much in
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  Speaker 1: the vein of what we talk about here. So thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being here.
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  Speaker 2: It's my pleasure. If I could choose anyone in the
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  Speaker 2: world to shadow throughout our careers, it would be you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, to show up here. And I honestly I
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  Speaker 2: forgot how many movies I did that were based on
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  Speaker 2: true crime.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy and this one, so the first one that
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about cries unheard. This was in nineteen ninety four,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it was one of your earliest dramatic roles.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember what you thought when you first got
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  Speaker 1: the script and how old were you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I was I must have been twenty two. And
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  Speaker 2: I do remember because I rewatched the movie last night
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  Speaker 2: and this woman's name, Carla Singer, came up as exec
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  Speaker 2: producer and I remember I was doing a TV series
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  Speaker 2: for Aaron Spelling in Las Vegas and when that ended
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  Speaker 2: his office called and said, my friend Carla Singer's doing
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  Speaker 2: a movie and there's a part. It only shoots for
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  Speaker 2: a couple of days because it's just you and Jacqueline Smith.
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  Speaker 2: But they just offered it to me. I think Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Spelling made that connection to him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I love that. He was such a great man
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  Speaker 1: in that like stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do remember, like it was the first
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  Speaker 2: time I had to cry in anything, And I remember
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  Speaker 2: bringing like it must have been my walkman and playing
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  Speaker 2: like Dan Fogelberg or something, and like thinking about sad
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  Speaker 2: things walking around this prison, like what if I can't cry?
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  Speaker 1: You know, right, it was a big deal. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she Jacqueline Smith is you know, she was a huge,
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  Speaker 1: huge star at the time, and the subject matter was
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  Speaker 1: really really heavy for so the plot really quick to
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  Speaker 1: recap is Donna, who's played by Jacqueline Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Me.
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  Speaker 1: It's Dennis, this policeman, falls in love with him, they
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  Speaker 1: get married. Dennis is hooked on steroids. Then you can't
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  Speaker 1: control his outbursts of sudden rage and he routinely abuses
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  Speaker 1: her and she eventually is so afraid she hires two
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  Speaker 1: teenage boys to kill him. So this is like incredibly
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  Speaker 1: adult subject matter and really serious for a young actor.
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  Speaker 1: Do you were you aware of the depth of those
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  Speaker 1: issues at the time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I remember the part about her, you know,
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  Speaker 3: killing my father and then ending up in prison and
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  Speaker 3: leaving me with no parent, right, that was from from
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  Speaker 3: my perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Like, how could you do that? How how could you
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  Speaker 2: not think of that? And that's what she's there explaining
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  Speaker 2: I had no choice and all I all, my my
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  Speaker 2: biggest fear was that I would be separated from you.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean from from my character's perspective, it
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  Speaker 2: was just all how it affected me.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, of course, So she's in the film, she's
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  Speaker 1: trying to That's how it's how it's structured, is these
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  Speaker 1: conversations with you as her son, and her explaining how
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  Speaker 1: she got there and how she got to.
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  Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, which I thought was effective because she says,
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  Speaker 2: you're eighteen now, and I wanted to tell you in
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  Speaker 2: my own words that I was going to he was
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  Speaker 2: going to kill me and she had no choice. And
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  Speaker 2: like now watching the movie, like, I don't understand how
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  Speaker 2: women stay in that, and she why she couldn't go
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  Speaker 2: to the police. But he was a police officer, like
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  Speaker 2: a decorated police officer, so nobody was believing her, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she really almost had no choice other than
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  Speaker 2: to like be on the run and just like go
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  Speaker 2: to a country or something.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Do you feel like, in watching it this time
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  Speaker 1: as an adult, that you were able to see that,
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  Speaker 1: but you didn't necessarily get that at the time when
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  Speaker 1: you were shooting it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I First of all, I don't know. That
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  Speaker 2: was thirty years ago, so I don't really remember the movie.
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  Speaker 2: So rewatching it with Jill, we kept saying like, leave,
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  Speaker 2: just leave, right, you know. But she even goes to
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  Speaker 2: that protected women's shelter and he busts in there as
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  Speaker 2: a cop and says, I'm going to shut this place down.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get my wife. Like she's not even
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  Speaker 2: safe at a women's shelter and no one believes her, right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, so I found this movie. I
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  Speaker 1: always think, or sometimes think, you know, watching movies and
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  Speaker 1: TV shows from the nineties, like oh they're you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're just not as kind of, uh in depth and
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  Speaker 1: intense as things are now. And I watching this movie,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this was hard to watch. I was
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  Speaker 1: kind of surprised at how violent the you know, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that they're they're showing some real violence, but
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  Speaker 1: what is implied is really heavy.
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  Speaker 2: He's rape her, He's over and over. It was awful. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Jill and I were, I mean, yeah, even
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  Speaker 2: I think it's probably even harsher than most stuff we
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  Speaker 2: see today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's I was surprised by that. I have
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  Speaker 1: to say I was legitimately surprised where I felt like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't and there's something she Jacqueline
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  Speaker 1: Smith is such an angelic you know, no pun intended
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  Speaker 1: with Charlie's angels, but she really does have like a angel,
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  Speaker 1: a very angelic presence in her little face. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And he says to her over and over again,
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  Speaker 2: do you know how bad they I want to kill you.
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  Speaker 2: If you take myself away from me again, I will
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  Speaker 2: kill you, he says, I will kill you. I will
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  Speaker 2: kill you. I don't know. And that, you know then
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  Speaker 2: the court case is really was threw me so much
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  Speaker 2: because I think my character says to her, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they told me you would have gotten less time if
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  Speaker 2: you had pulled the trigger, and you got more more
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  Speaker 2: jail time. Than the two guys who did pull the trigger, right,
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  Speaker 2: it made.
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  Speaker 1: No sense, it didn't, So that's what I was going
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  Speaker 1: to ask. In the the real sentencing, she was given
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  Speaker 1: forty years and the two teenagers were given twenty and thirty.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, and people wonder why women don't report abuse,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even today, it's like, it's outrageous. I couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand. I literally don't understand that sentencing. I
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  Speaker 1: don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then that graph that information at the end
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  Speaker 2: that men who are charged with murdering their wives get
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  Speaker 2: an average of like sixty seven years, but women who
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  Speaker 2: kill their husbands get like an average of twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 1: That is so outrageous. It's like you can't as sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you see and read these things, hear them in You're like,
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  Speaker 1: this can't this can't actually be.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Like a woman killing a man is so much
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  Speaker 2: more egregious, right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, It's just well so at the time, this
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  Speaker 1: case was really one of the first, if not the first,
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  Speaker 1: case that brought battered women's syndrome into the court system,
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  Speaker 1: and certainly on television. This was like the first So
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  Speaker 1: had you even heard of that term at the time.
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  Speaker 2: No, but in the in the movie that, having watched
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  Speaker 2: it last night, they brought the author of that book
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  Speaker 2: into the trial, and then the defense, I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: prosecutor brought someone else to discredit it, saying there's no
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  Speaker 2: such thing as battered wife syndrome. There are men that
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  Speaker 2: get battered too, Like.
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  Speaker 1: I almost forgot about that of the movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, like what like, there is no way Jacqueline
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  Speaker 2: Smith would could possibly be physically threatening to that guy.
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  Speaker 2: There's no there's no.
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  Speaker 1: Opposite of what right they argue, it's physically impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, And he got bigger and bigger. Did
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  Speaker 2: you notice that?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he must.
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  Speaker 2: They must have shut down production and then he just
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  Speaker 2: jacked up. He was like terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: So I was wondering about that if they put like
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure maybe they put patting on him or in
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  Speaker 1: the close ups, I'm like, are those loot Farigno's arms?
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  Speaker 1: And then he goes back to you know, like he
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  Speaker 1: was really thirty pounds of muscle halfway through the movie, right,
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  Speaker 1: he was very The whole cast is really quite strong.
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  Speaker 1: He was very intimidating. And Hilary Swank was in this also.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: She's so great in this And did you guys, did
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  Speaker 1: you know each other at the time, had you met before?
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  Speaker 1: And you didn't have any scenes together? Right?
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  Speaker 2: No, My work was all just me and Jacqueline Smith
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  Speaker 2: sitting across the table from each other, I think for
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  Speaker 2: two days at a prison and that was it. I
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  Speaker 2: was in and out. But I mean, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to sit across the table and stare at
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  Speaker 2: someone for two days, it might as well be it
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  Speaker 2: might as well be her. Yes, she's stunning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that must that's kind of like an
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  Speaker 1: incredible honor as a young actor. No, to be and
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  Speaker 1: then it is a great like I'm sure that must
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  Speaker 1: have helped kind of with your focus, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's very little distraction when you're just there with one
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  Speaker 1: person and focusing very much on what you're doing. I
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  Speaker 1: suppose that was helpful in some way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And we played it as all one long scene, right,
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  Speaker 2: so it was maybe it was a few pages of
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  Speaker 2: dialogue even though it's cut up throughout the whole movie,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it was. I remember it being challenging, even
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  Speaker 2: though it was a couple of days of work. I
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  Speaker 2: remember being like, oh, I gotta I gotta really prepare,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta get their emotions. It was definitely a great
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  Speaker 2: learning experience for me as an actor.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure. So this happened. You guys shot the movie
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  Speaker 1: in ninety four, and he actually was murdered in eighty five,
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  Speaker 1: and then the trial was a couple of years later,
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  Speaker 1: so the case had been essentially closed and she was
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  Speaker 1: in prison.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever ended up happening, did she serve, So she.
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  Speaker 1: Served eighteen years. So they discovered after the fact Dennis
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  Speaker 1: had a previous wife who died, and at first they
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  Speaker 1: said she died, you know, of some illness or something sudden,
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  Speaker 1: and then they reopened that case and they came to
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  Speaker 1: find that she had died under quote suspicious circumstances, and
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  Speaker 1: so that I mean, they obviously assumed that he murdered her,
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  Speaker 1: but they could not find any direct evidence to prove that.
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  Speaker 1: And then in two thousand and nine, Donna was released
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  Speaker 1: on parole after serving sorry twenty one years, including time
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  Speaker 1: in community corrections facilities. So she's wound up serving twenty
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  Speaker 1: one years but was released at the age of fifty.
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  Speaker 1: I believe.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's like a whole nother movie, right re entry
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  Speaker 2: into life after that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I think about that. I'm fifty five,
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  Speaker 1: if I had, like, it's your whole These cases like
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  Speaker 1: really make me so upset as a woman and as
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  Speaker 1: the mother of a daughter. How wildly unfair the justice
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  Speaker 1: system is skewed against women in so many ways, Like
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  Speaker 1: I can't that she gets abused for years by this
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  Speaker 1: man and then ghost has to go to prison for it,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know, and I'm not obviously it brings
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  Speaker 1: up these really important, complicated questions that can someone be
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  Speaker 1: both a victim and a criminal?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I think this story says yeah, absolutely. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 2: she she did have him murder, right, she did conspire
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  Speaker 2: to murder someone, But then all the other circumstances. If
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  Speaker 2: she had killed him while he was beating her and
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  Speaker 2: raping her, it would be one self defense, right. And
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  Speaker 2: if she had gone to the police with all the bruises,
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  Speaker 2: and if the woman at that shelter had filed a
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  Speaker 2: complaint against him, and if all these if anyone had
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  Speaker 2: said anything all along the way, there'd be a record
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  Speaker 2: of this guy's abuse and behavior. But because nothing was
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  Speaker 2: ever said, and then this guy, you know, in the
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  Speaker 2: in the trial, everyone's like he was a great police officer,
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  Speaker 2: an upstanding, you know, a model citizen. I said to Jill,
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  Speaker 2: how can a guy act like that in his home
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  Speaker 2: and everyone outside of the home thinks he's like the
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  Speaker 2: greatest guy? How can that possibly be? Right?
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  Speaker 1: It probably The answer is it probably can't be. But
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  Speaker 1: he I love that. The film also has that scene
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  Speaker 1: where she goes to see the friend in the bar
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  Speaker 1: and basically says, he's abusing me. You have to help me,
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  Speaker 1: and he says something like ah, sometimes he gets out
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  Speaker 1: of hand.
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  Speaker 2: And you're like, and he says, it's not my place.
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  Speaker 2: We don't get into each other's personal lives, like it's
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  Speaker 2: not my it's not my place to say anything like that. Right,
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  Speaker 2: And she has a huge bruised eye. He can see what.
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  Speaker 1: Happened, right, I mean how, I don't know, how do
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  Speaker 1: you remedy that? I mean, imagine somebody, what if I
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  Speaker 1: I come to you, David, and I'm like, Charlie has
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  Speaker 1: been abusing me. I come like you know, it's like unfathomable.
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  Speaker 1: Would you sit there and say it's not my business.
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  Speaker 2: No, You'd have a team of people that love you
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  Speaker 2: around you to show you what to do and to
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  Speaker 2: start ringing alarms. Yeah, maybe that's where that's how times
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  Speaker 2: have changed.
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  Speaker 1: There's like sort of like a privacy shame factor maybe yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And now if you saw a woman with a
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  Speaker 2: black eye, everyone that ran into would be like, are
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  Speaker 2: you okay? Did something happen? Right, It's like it's on
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  Speaker 2: our all of our radars now that this actually, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this does exist.
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  Speaker 1: But also the fact that it was a small town
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  Speaker 1: and maybe some of that still exists in smaller communities,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where they don't have as many people to
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  Speaker 1: go to the people they go to, or the ones
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  Speaker 1: who are a part of a party in some way.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Right, especially to a man in power, yes, you know
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  Speaker 2: a well you know, a positioned police officer in the town.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, it takes a community of enablers who just
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  Speaker 2: sit on their hands and do nothing to allow that behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that's a great way to say it.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people complicit in watching that and
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  Speaker 2: doing nothing to help this woman.
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  Speaker 1: I completely agree, and I feel like that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the things. You know, this movie really does not shy
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  Speaker 1: away from how you know, the violence and the specifics,
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  Speaker 1: but also kind of sort of making the justice system
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  Speaker 1: accountable and putting you know, I just feel like I
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  Speaker 1: have to say again, I was so kind of surprised
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  Speaker 1: by how strong this movie was in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think we sometimes, I maybe it's my
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  Speaker 1: own bias. I think about TV movies or movies of
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  Speaker 1: the week from that time as being a little bit
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  Speaker 1: sort of like soft around the edges, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: let's just tie it all up in a nice way,
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  Speaker 1: And this movie is not that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially to aired on a major network.
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  Speaker 1: A major network. Yeah, I think it was CBS eating.
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  Speaker 2: And raping like America's Sweetheart. It was. It was hard
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  Speaker 2: to watch, yes, but I think important. And one thing
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  Speaker 2: that stuck out to me that made me upset was
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  Speaker 2: how sloppy she was in her planning of how she
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  Speaker 2: was going to kill him. She gets this young idiot
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  Speaker 2: who you know, wants the money, gets his buddy involved.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's all kinds of ways this could just
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  Speaker 2: goes completely wrong and come right back there. And sure enough,
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  Speaker 2: they're idiots are talking about it in a diner, and
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  Speaker 2: this girl's right there listening to that. Right goes right
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  Speaker 2: to the police. They get arrested. The first thing that
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  Speaker 2: the kid said was it was Donna within like twenty
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  Speaker 2: four hours.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, it's crazy. And also she Donna got
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  Speaker 1: involved in the relationship so quickly introduced by the sister
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  Speaker 1: and then suddenly after you know, and this is like
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  Speaker 1: one on this podcast to talk about a lot of narcissists,
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  Speaker 1: because often serial killers, Kimmy narcissists and like that kind
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  Speaker 1: of personality and that that behavior of he totally love
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  Speaker 1: bombs her with all this like just effusive love, sends
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  Speaker 1: the flowers, and then all of a sudden she's moving
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  Speaker 1: in with him and co parenting his stepdaughter.
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  Speaker 2: He uses the step daughter and how much he knows
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  Speaker 2: Donna connects with her to say, I can't be a
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  Speaker 2: mother to her, you would be so good for her,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Like that's how he gets her to like stick around. Right.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: It's very manipulative, very very manipulative. Is there something different
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: about acting and stories when you know that these are
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: real people and real families lived through these events.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a responsibility to really try and be
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: honest about about your work.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I obviously I didn't meet the
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: kid who played Denny, but I've done other things like that,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: like White Squall was real people that those.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: That went down, and Ridley Scott had the real like
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I played a guy that survived the the storm, and
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: so I got to meet my character, Scott Wolf got
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to meet his character, Jeff Bridges got to meet the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: real captain. And then you get to like, you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you get to talk to them about what was it
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: like after you know, and half your your friends died,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: and you know you can get some It's like the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: best research you could ever do. Did you see though,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that Joey's little brother played me?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, so that yes, and and you I mean it's like, yeah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I can see his face in there, the little he's
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: like a little tiny kid. And then I went.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Boys with their haircuts a little bowl.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Hair exactly, and he was so cute.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was so cute.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: But you also, your work in this movie is so
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: good and it's really heartfelt and empathetic, like you're it's
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you're very good in it. You really are.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I I you know, Jill and I watched
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: it objectively as if you know, and and at the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: end I was really like relieve that he says when
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you get out I'll be here to pick you up.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Like I don't hate you, I never stop loving you.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I understand. Like God, that was such a like the
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: woman deserves.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: At least that at least that she has her son
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: still totally, I was thinking the same thing, what do
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you what do you hope that people who you know
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: discover this movie now take away from it?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Oh? God, so much. The first thing is, if a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: guy shows violence towards you, get the hell out of there,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: like right away, before you've got you know, claws and
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: tentacles around you. You know. I think Oprah always says this,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that Maya Angelou told her the best advice she had
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: or God was when someone tries to show you who
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: they are, believe them the first time.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: That's right, yep.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: You know, if a guy hits you and then comes
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: crying apologizing it was a one time, I'm you know, no, no, no,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: that's who they are. And then the other thing would
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: be to anyone who's on the outside who sees anything
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: like that, like help that person, like do something. If
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you can't do it, find someone who can.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yep. In part two of our conversation, I'll talk to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: David about another unforgettable true crime film. He appeared in
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Twisted Desire. It's based on another shocking case involving young love,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: manipulation and murder for hire, but this time the masterminds
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: were teenagers.