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#804 Getting Out of the Rip · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just once answers.
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Speaker 2: Now, I came up and I got the air. I
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Speaker 2: got back on my board, I paddled back out and
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Speaker 2: I got some more amazing waves. That's really to take
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Speaker 2: home message, big waves, parenting world, heavy water. But as
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Speaker 2: long as we can stay calm, get out of the sweep,
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Speaker 2: it'll work out.
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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom
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Speaker 1: and dad.
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Speaker 2: Hello, this is doctor Justin Colson, the founder of Happy
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Speaker 2: Families dot com. Today you I'm here with Kylie, my
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Speaker 2: wife and unto our six daughters. Kylie, the weekend is
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Speaker 2: just around the corner, and that means our Friday episode
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Speaker 2: of I'll Do Better Too of the podcast is called
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Speaker 2: I'll Do Better Tomorrow. You know what I'm trying to say,
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Speaker 2: I'm excited for the weekend. I'll Do Better Tomorrow for
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Speaker 2: those of you who are new to the podcast, is
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Speaker 2: the opportunity that we take to reflect on the week
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Speaker 2: that was and work out how do we do things better?
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Speaker 2: Where do we go wrong, what do we do right?
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Speaker 2: How do we do better tomorrow? When it comes to
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Speaker 2: the way we're raising our family, Kylie just before we
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Speaker 2: get into it, I want to reflect on last week's
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Speaker 2: I'll do about it tomorrow. If you didn't catch it,
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Speaker 2: I think the only way to talk about it is
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Speaker 2: to confess that I said last week that I wanted
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Speaker 2: to quit parenting. I'm done, I've had enough. Just over
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Speaker 2: it and we'll talk about this in just a sec.
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Speaker 2: But I hate to say it. It got worse. It
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Speaker 2: actually got worse. More to come on that in a moment. However,
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Speaker 2: as a result of our podcast, I shared what I
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Speaker 2: had talked about on Facebook and a couple of hundred
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Speaker 2: comments came through it. It kind of blew up the
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Speaker 2: parenting expert on Australia's leading parenting Educators saying that he
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Speaker 2: wants to stop being a parent. I guess got people.
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Speaker 2: Most people were actually quite empathic and also shared, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I want to quit parenting as well. It's hard. But
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Speaker 2: I got one email. In fact, we received this email
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Speaker 2: from Kira, who emailed us podcasts at Happy Families dot
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Speaker 2: com and Kylie. Here's what she said morning, Justin and Kylie,
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Speaker 2: I'm in tears. Thank you. It's funny, that, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: I'm in tears. Thanks so much for making me cry. Firstly,
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Speaker 2: justin thanks for sharing your open and honest opinion about
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Speaker 2: feeling over parenting at the moment. It was greatly appreciated
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Speaker 2: and deeply felt. Second, Kyle is a number four whose
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Speaker 2: eldest is currently sixteen. You had me in tears. I
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Speaker 2: felt like maybe I've lost her forever. But to know
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Speaker 2: that she will come back if I can just hang
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Speaker 2: in there, maybe for a couple more years, was so reassuring.
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Speaker 2: I'm a long time listener, a huge fan of support
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Speaker 2: of your work, and having moved to the Sunshine Coast
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Speaker 2: in January last year. Also, I've thoroughly enjoyed listening to
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Speaker 2: you both every day. Thanks and enjoy your wee time
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Speaker 2: this weekend. So that was from Kira. What a wonderful,
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Speaker 2: wonderful email podcasts at Happy Families dot com dot you
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Speaker 2: if you have any feedback for us on the podcast, Kylie,
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Speaker 2: I think that off the back of that email and
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Speaker 2: off the back of last week's podcast, which is definitely
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Speaker 2: worth a listen if you missed it. Let's talk about
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Speaker 2: our I'll do better tomorrow this week? Can I go first?
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Speaker 2: Since I've preempted go for it? Okay, it got worse.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to quit parenting. When we recorded the podcast,
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Speaker 2: it went where on Friday had dropped on Friday, and
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Speaker 2: the weekend was even worse. In fact, in some ways, Kylie,
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Speaker 2: I felt like, how do I say this? Twenty something
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Speaker 2: years ago, when I quit my radio career and went
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Speaker 2: back to school so I could be a bit a parent,
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Speaker 2: I did it because I was just making such a
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Speaker 2: mess of things, And in some ways, I feel like
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Speaker 2: I'm no better now than I was then, Like I
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Speaker 2: just cannot believe how difficult things have been. Just recently.
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Speaker 2: I feel like I absolutely blew it across the weekend,
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Speaker 2: and because I blew it so badly, it put me
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Speaker 2: into a great big spin. I was already feeling lousy,
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Speaker 2: but then I started to feel lousy er, and I
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Speaker 2: don't remember the last time that I felt so bad
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Speaker 2: for such a prolonged period of time. I knew what
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Speaker 2: I needed to do, I just couldn't bring myself to
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Speaker 2: do it. People recognized that I wasn't doing well. They
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Speaker 2: reached out, and I ignored them. Didn't want to talk
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Speaker 2: to anybody, because what am I going to say? I
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Speaker 2: don't have conversations with people about all this awful stuff
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Speaker 2: that they can't do anything about either. I don't want
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Speaker 2: to talk about it really really, really tough time. And
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Speaker 2: I had an experience while I was out surfing trying
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Speaker 2: to clear my mind. For those who don't know, I
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Speaker 2: love surfing, and because we live on the Sunshine Coast,
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Speaker 2: we've had absolutely enormous surf for the last week or so.
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Speaker 2: I jumped off the rocks at my favorite point break nearby,
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Speaker 2: and it was treacherous jumping off the rocks, really really dangerous,
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Speaker 2: lots of water sweeping across the rocks, and it's just
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Speaker 2: a it's not a smart thing to do. You have
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Speaker 2: to be very experienced to do it. But I got
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Speaker 2: to the edge of the rocks, I jumped off the rocks,
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Speaker 2: paddled out, caught a couple of waves, and at one point,
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Speaker 2: after a few waves, I ended up in this current,
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Speaker 2: and no matter how much I paddled, I couldn't get
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Speaker 2: out of the current. I was trying to paddle back
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Speaker 2: out past the waves, the waves kept on coming through
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Speaker 2: and pushing me into the current. The sweep, the tide,
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Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff was just holding me in place,
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Speaker 2: very very close to a really big rock wall. And
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Speaker 2: no matter how hard I paddled, I just could not
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Speaker 2: get out. After about fifteen minutes, I realized that I
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Speaker 2: was in a predicament, and so I turned my surfboard
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Speaker 2: around and I actually caught one of the waves even
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Speaker 2: further into well further away from where all the waves
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Speaker 2: were breaking, and basically I went into shore, climbed up
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Speaker 2: the rocks, ran back around the beach to the rocks
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Speaker 2: where you jump off, and this time I couldn't get
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Speaker 2: back out. The tide had changed in the intervening forty
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Speaker 2: fifty sixty minutes, and there was too much water sweeping
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Speaker 2: across the rocks. The surf was bigger as well, and
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Speaker 2: it was simply impossible to get off the rocks, and
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Speaker 2: so I had to run back along the beach and
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Speaker 2: paddle out near that rock wall where I'd been caught
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Speaker 2: in that sweep already. And it took me about twenty
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Speaker 2: five minutes to paddle back out and start catching waves again.
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Speaker 2: As it happened, I caught some of the best waves
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Speaker 2: of my life that day, and some of the biggest
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Speaker 2: waves as well. But while all this was going on,
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Speaker 2: I was reflecting on the whole parenting thing. There's a
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Speaker 2: metaphor here this applies to parenting.
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Speaker 3: Well, as you were sharing a story, I was literally going,
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Speaker 3: this is explaining my whole life. Yeah, literally, Like there
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Speaker 3: is sometimes where I feel like I'm stuck on the
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Speaker 3: rocks and there's nowhere to go, Like everywhere looks like
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Speaker 3: it's covered in glass, and I can't, I can't, I
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Speaker 3: can't make a right move.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's no glass on the rocks at this particular
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Speaker 2: point break, but there's a lot of barnacles and there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of sharp things. I mean, I have Actually
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Speaker 2: I'm still nursing the wounds on my feet from a
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Speaker 2: few cuts from those rocks. But the reality is parenting
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Speaker 2: can feel a little bit treacherous. It can feel like
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Speaker 2: the water is sweeping all around us. It can feel
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Speaker 2: like there's so much coming at us.
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Speaker 4: Well that no matter how hard you paddle, you're just stuck.
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Speaker 2: Right And and that's what I was going to say.
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Speaker 2: Even if you get off the rocks and you get
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Speaker 2: into the water, there are some incredible highlights. There are
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Speaker 2: some moments where you go, oh my goodness, this is
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Speaker 2: the best. But then five minutes later you're in that
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Speaker 2: sweep and you're paddling like hell to get out. Of
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Speaker 2: it and you just can't and you have to turn
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Speaker 2: around and go back in and start all over again.
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of how it's been. That's kind of
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Speaker 2: how how it's been. It's been really kind a week
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Speaker 2: and it's just been there's been a handful of moments
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Speaker 2: where a child has come in and sat on the
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Speaker 2: bed and said, hey, love your dad. And it's when
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Speaker 2: you're in that sweep, you're in that current and you
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Speaker 2: put in the extra effort, you paddle extra hard, or alternatively,
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Speaker 2: you catch a wave into the beach and you reset
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Speaker 2: before you go back out and face the waves again.
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Speaker 2: And I feel like that's what this week has been
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Speaker 2: quite a lot of for me. So my oldered better
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Speaker 2: tomorrow is reset, get out of the sweep, get off
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Speaker 2: the rocks, get into the place where you can actually
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Speaker 2: catch the waves. Metaphorically speaking, that is, take a breather,
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Speaker 2: go for a walk, talk to the kids, do whatever
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Speaker 2: you need to re set and get family life back
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Speaker 2: on track, because sometimes it's really hard. Sometimes it's just
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Speaker 2: really really hard, and we beat ourselves up so much
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Speaker 2: as parents when we get it wrong, especially when we're
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Speaker 2: aparenting expert and we've written a book about it, and we'
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Speaker 2: supposed to know all about it and then we still get
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Speaker 2: it wrong. Tough gig. So here's to a much better
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Speaker 2: week with a whole lot of resets taken care of.
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Speaker 2: So anything about that you want to pick apart or
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Speaker 2: add too, or do you want to share your older
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Speaker 2: better tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Well, I guess my experiences just flow on from that,
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Speaker 3: because obviously I'm intimately entwined in your experiences, and so
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Speaker 3: for me, watching you spiral downwards is always really challenging.
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Speaker 3: Unlike you, who has been given endless opportunities to practice
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Speaker 3: being empathic and sympathetic towards me and my down spirals,
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Speaker 3: I have not had the same opportunities. You have always
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Speaker 3: been the rock in our home. You've been very pragmatic,
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Speaker 3: You're not particularly emotional about things.
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Speaker 4: You have a lot more clarity.
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Speaker 3: Of thought in stressful situations, and so when you are
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Speaker 3: not doing well for me, it actually is a little
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Speaker 3: bit of a trigger, and I think that there must
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Speaker 3: be something I'm missing if you're this worked up about it,
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Speaker 3: even though I know the circumstances, Even though I know
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Speaker 3: the situation clearly, I am not seeing everything because if
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Speaker 3: I did, I would be just as worried as you are,
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Speaker 3: or I would be just as upset as you are.
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Speaker 3: There's something I'm missing, That's how I see it. So
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Speaker 3: it's not about the fact that clearly this must be
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Speaker 3: my fault or anything like that. It's literally because I
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Speaker 3: have such a high respect and I guess or at
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Speaker 3: the way you see the world when you're not seeing
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Speaker 3: the world the same way I'm seeing it, all of
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Speaker 3: a sudden, I just I go into panic.
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Speaker 2: Is it okay? If I jump in for a sec
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Speaker 2: and just highlight two things based on what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: Every couple there's going to be somebody who's I guess
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Speaker 2: the I don't want to use this term because I
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Speaker 2: don't see myself as this, but for simplicity's sake, the
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Speaker 2: strong one anchor at the rock, whatever metaphor you want
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Speaker 2: to use to me, that's you. But it's interesting that
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Speaker 2: you see me as that because I just think that
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Speaker 2: you're you're the glue that makes our family hold together. Nevertheless,
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Speaker 2: if you're saying that about me, the pressure that the
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Speaker 2: rock of the family feels in terms of that, that's
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Speaker 2: a lot. That's a big weight to carry. It's a
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Speaker 2: big weight to carry, and if you think that the
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Speaker 2: entire emotional wellbeing of your family is predicated on you
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Speaker 2: holding it together, that that really boosts the challenge and
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Speaker 2: it makes you feel even worse when you're falling apart.
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Speaker 2: I think it's worth highlighting. And also, secondly, if you're
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Speaker 2: a single parent, if you're doing it on your own,
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Speaker 2: you know that it all comes down to you. I
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Speaker 2: just want to acknowledge that if you're a single parent
10:47
Speaker 2: right now and you're listening, there's a lot, there's a
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Speaker 2: lot on your shoulders. It's a heavy, heavy weight to carry, and.
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Speaker 3: So often for me, the challenge is how to support
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Speaker 3: you when I'm actually slowly falling apart inside because you're
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Speaker 3: falling apart, and not taking any of it personally because
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Speaker 3: I actually, deep down understand that it isn't about me,
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Speaker 3: but all of my attempts to be helpful often hinder
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Speaker 3: the process because I actually kind of start to want
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Speaker 3: a problem solve. I just want to fix it because
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Speaker 3: I don't like this feeling yep at all. I don't
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Speaker 3: want this to continue. So I can see the solutions inside,
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Speaker 3: I know exactly what needs to happen, and I just
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Speaker 3: I want it fixed.
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Speaker 2: And how do I respond when you forget to fix it?
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Speaker 3: You pretty much walked away. I can't do this, I
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Speaker 3: can't talk to you right now, and you left because
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Speaker 3: I actually know, I know, I know, And that's what
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Speaker 3: I struggle with more, because I know you not and
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Speaker 3: I'm like, if you know, why are you not just
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Speaker 3: doing it?
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Speaker 4: You know exactly what you need to do.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just sometimes you just can't do it. Sometimes
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Speaker 2: it's just too hard. That's the channel. That's the great challenge,
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Speaker 2: being able to get past that and do it. But
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Speaker 2: sometimes you can't. You're paddling and paddling and paddling and
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Speaker 2: you just can't get out of the sweep.
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Speaker 3: And so I was really grateful that on Sunday I
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Speaker 3: had an opportunity to speak with a friend and just,
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Speaker 3: I guess, get my own perspective on things. And it
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Speaker 3: wasn't actually even about you. It was literally about me
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Speaker 3: and how I was processing what was going on and
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Speaker 3: just needing somebody to kind of say, I see you,
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Speaker 3: I get it. And this person hasn't experienced any of
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Speaker 3: the things that we're going through right now, but they
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Speaker 3: were able to literally weep with me and just recognize
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Speaker 3: that where I am right now. Where we are right
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Speaker 3: now and our family circumstances is really hard. It's just
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Speaker 3: really hard, and there isn't actually any solutions right now.
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Speaker 4: It's just hard. Just like you being.
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Speaker 3: Out in that you know, massive current and paddling and
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Speaker 3: paddling and paddling and feeling like you're not getting anywhere,
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Speaker 3: that's kind of where we're sitting right now with things.
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Speaker 3: And so I was able to come home with a
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Speaker 3: little bit more clarity and just calm and peace in
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Speaker 3: a piece that it was going to be okay. And
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Speaker 3: you had sent me a text earlier in the day
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Speaker 3: to just kind of explain to me how you were feeling,
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Speaker 3: and the acknowledgment that you know what you need to
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Speaker 3: do and you don't need me to tell you what
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Speaker 3: to do, and that you just needed me to love you.
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Speaker 3: And when I sat down with you, I just said,
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Speaker 3: I don't I don't actually know what to do right
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Speaker 3: now because I think that I'm being helpful, but obviously
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Speaker 3: everything that I'm doing to be helpful actually pushes you
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Speaker 3: further away from me. And you were able to articulate
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Speaker 3: just so beautifully that you just wanted me to treat
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Speaker 3: you as though there was nothing wrong, that you weren't broken,
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Speaker 3: that you didn't need fixing, that you were just the
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Speaker 3: person that I've always loved, and that I would continue
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Speaker 3: to love you exactly the same way.
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Speaker 4: And I took that on and.
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Speaker 3: That was really hard, because, in spite of the fact
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Speaker 3: that I know that what's going on is actually not
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Speaker 3: about me, I obviously will take things that happen personally,
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Speaker 3: and so trying to get into a space where I
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Speaker 3: can just go, you know what, this isn't about me
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Speaker 3: and he just needs my love right now took a
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Speaker 3: little bit of effort. But on Sunday night, I sat
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Speaker 3: down with all the kids and you kind of came
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Speaker 3: in halfway through it, and we were talking about Valentine's
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Speaker 3: Day coming up and all of those kinds of things,
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Speaker 3: and I asked miss Ate if she'd say our family
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Speaker 3: prayer to head us off to bed, and this most
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Speaker 3: angelic little girl just said the most beautiful prayer over
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Speaker 3: our family, that we would find a way to love
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Speaker 3: each other. And just that one little thing from the
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Speaker 3: youngest member of our family just melted my heart and
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Speaker 3: helped me to recognize that all any of us want
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Speaker 3: is love, no matter what we're experiencing life. We just
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Speaker 3: want to be loved, and so I was able to
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Speaker 3: kind of be what you needed me to be in
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Speaker 3: that moment, and over the next few days there was
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Speaker 3: just this beautiful shift. The load, the heaviness that we're
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Speaker 3: carrying is still there, but I feel like we're able
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Speaker 3: to come together in a way that lightened the individual
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Speaker 3: load that we were carrying together.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I hope that the take home message that
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Speaker 2: you get from this podcast is I guess two fold.
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Speaker 2: Number one, family life can be really hard, and even
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Speaker 2: without family life, life can be really hard personally. We
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Speaker 2: just we all carry a load, and sometimes we cope
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Speaker 2: with it really really well, and other times it gets
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Speaker 2: too much and we just kind of have to put
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Speaker 2: it down and have a rest for a day or
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Speaker 2: two or a week or two. And that's actually okay.
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Speaker 2: But we've got to be able to figure out a
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Speaker 2: way that we can navigate our relationships and our interactions
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Speaker 2: with others while we're doing that. And I think over time,
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Speaker 2: you and I've gotten pretty good at it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we've been married for twenty five years next month, and
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Speaker 2: it's taken a lot of practice, but I think we're
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Speaker 2: dealing with those tough times better now than ever. The
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Speaker 2: second thing that I hope you take from this as
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Speaker 2: a take home message is that life, given enough time,
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Speaker 2: sorts itself out. We get out of the rip, the
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Speaker 2: big waves stop, the cyclone goes away, the ocean calms,
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Speaker 2: we find an opportunity to catch the waves and have
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Speaker 2: those highlights. And I really want to come back to that.
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Speaker 2: While I was surfing, I have literally had some of
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Speaker 2: the best waves of my life. But those waves have
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Speaker 2: required a lot of work, so much effort. I have
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Speaker 2: paddled and I reckon. I've lost about five kilos from
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Speaker 2: paddling so much this week, and I have been in
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Speaker 2: some rocky places, and I've also taken a couple of beatings.
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Speaker 2: I took one hole down on one wave that was
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Speaker 2: one of the longest hold downs that I've ever had
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Speaker 2: in my life. I was stuck on the bottom of
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Speaker 2: the reef, the rocks down there, and the wave just
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Speaker 2: kept on holding me down, and I knew I had
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Speaker 2: to stay calm. I knew I had to just let
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Speaker 2: the wave wash over me and eventually it would pass.
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Speaker 2: But at some point I started to realize that I
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Speaker 2: was running out of air, and as I swam to
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Speaker 2: the surface because the wave had gone. I couldn't believe
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Speaker 2: how far away the surface was, Like it was shocking
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Speaker 2: to me how long I stayed out of the water.
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Speaker 2: But I came up and I got the air, I
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Speaker 2: got back on my board, I paddled back out and
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Speaker 2: I got some more amazing waves. And that's I think
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Speaker 2: that's really to take her message, big waves, parenting world,
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Speaker 2: heavy water. But so long as we can stay calm,
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Speaker 2: get out of the sweep, it'll it'll work out. Have
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Speaker 2: I pushed the metaphor too far or is that okay?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 4: I think it's great for me.
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Speaker 3: For me the big learning and it was amplified watching
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Speaker 3: you go through it is that when our kids are
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Speaker 3: having big emotions, as the big people in the room,
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Speaker 3: we just want to fix it. Yeah, and your experience
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Speaker 3: with me trying to fix it was withdrawal.
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Speaker 2: Just treat me like nothing's the matter.
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Speaker 4: Leave me alone. I can't do this.
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Speaker 3: And so to see that and recognize in such a
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Speaker 3: just tangible way that all you actually needed was for
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Speaker 3: me to just love you seems so easy, But it's
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Speaker 3: really hard because we so often take things so personally
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Speaker 3: when our loved ones whoever they are, kids adults alike
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Speaker 3: are having big emotions.
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Speaker 2: And those big emotions are never about you. That was
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Speaker 2: just about what's going on inside the person.
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Speaker 3: But the load that it's taken off me to recognize
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Speaker 3: that it's not my responsibility to fix it. I don't
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Speaker 3: have to fix it. I fix it by actually just
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Speaker 3: loving you.
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