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The Kenny Report | 20 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Ros, Welcome to another week here on the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's talking about Pauline Hansen. She returns to the country
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  Speaker 3: soaring in the polls, even more hardline and messing with
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  Speaker 3: the minds of her political opponents.
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  Speaker 2: Juli and Lisa will join me.
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  Speaker 3: Our national energy self harm continues, even as government agencies
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  Speaker 3: admit it's costing us more. Israel continues to strike Hesbalah
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  Speaker 3: while the US attacks Iran. Israel's outgoing Deputy Foreign Minister,
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  Speaker 3: Sharon Haskell joins me live in London. Sophie Ilsworth previews
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  Speaker 3: the new Prime Minister and shares the Commonwealth game's gratitude
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  Speaker 3: from Scotland towards Victorian taxpayers. Also Caroline and Jemmer. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: let's get into it another week and again Pauline Hansen
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  Speaker 3: and One Nation are dominating the nation or debate. Another week,
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  Speaker 3: another poll or two, and once more One Nation. Incredibly
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  Speaker 3: our neck and neck with the Labor government federally, and
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  Speaker 3: they're ahead of the Liberals and only four points behind
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  Speaker 3: Labor in a new South Wales state pole.
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  Speaker 2: This is unheard of.
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  Speaker 3: Hardly any candidates hardly any policies, yet they're polling like
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  Speaker 3: a party of government. There's no doubt that one of
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  Speaker 3: the issues that's driven this surge is immigration, the way
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  Speaker 3: our immigration numbers have soared to record high as post COVID,
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  Speaker 3: and the tensions this is created with social cohesion. Hanson
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  Speaker 3: has been in the UK and in a special report
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  Speaker 3: with Channel seven, she made it clear that Britain holds
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  Speaker 3: lessons for us, and most of them relate to Muslim migration.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want Australia to become like Britain has. It's
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  Speaker 4: been really good to come over here in this trip
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  Speaker 4: and see what's happening, because it's really making me determined.
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  Speaker 4: I was determined beforehand, but more so now because seeing
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  Speaker 4: what's happened here, I'm going to hide it. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: going to have it happen in Australia, and I've got
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  Speaker 4: to confuse to austrange people, we either stand up now
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  Speaker 4: or this is what you're going to this is what
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  Speaker 4: you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: In Hanson's visit seems only to have hardened her views
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  Speaker 3: hot on the hills of spooking monoculture. She's met far
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  Speaker 3: right figures and is now talking like Donald Trump on
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  Speaker 3: mass deportations.
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  Speaker 1: You're more than comfortable with the conceptionsupport.
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  Speaker 4: It my by my colleagues who totally agree.
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  Speaker 1: A tick to mass deportation.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for the ones that are here illegally in the country.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly many people in Australia want These issues canvassed.
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  Speaker 2: Especially in the wake of the Bondi terrorist.
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  Speaker 3: Massacre and endless hateful protests and other hate crimes in
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  Speaker 3: this country.
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  Speaker 2: The Pole prove this point, But Hanson has been mixing with.
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  Speaker 3: Unsavory types such as convicted thug and frauds to the
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  Speaker 3: racially divisive one time fascist Tommy Robinson.
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  Speaker 5: How have you ended up with Pakistani's, Somali's, all of
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  Speaker 5: these African problems with violent African.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it started in nineteen seventy three with GoF Whitlam.
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  Speaker 4: So they opened up and got rid of the wide
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  Speaker 4: Australia policy. Then they started bringing in the different migrants
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  Speaker 4: and they a lot of them couldn't speak English, but
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  Speaker 4: they learned to speak English. But over the deco is
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  Speaker 4: the governments have changed and different people they've brought in,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of people come into Australia purely for
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  Speaker 4: the welfare system.
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  Speaker 3: Still as if Hanson's comments aren't strong enough, aren't challenging
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  Speaker 3: enough as they are, others often seek to verbal her,
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  Speaker 3: claiming that exchange was an endorsement of the wide Australia policy.
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  Speaker 6: She's pelling around with convicted criminals ushing Australia overseas, trashing
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  Speaker 6: Australia overseas, and then she's saying she's all for white
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  Speaker 6: Australia and for mass deportations.
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  Speaker 7: Bulline Hansen does not support the white Australia policy. She
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  Speaker 7: supports the assimilation and the Australian culture in such a
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  Speaker 7: form as we have the egalitarian peacefulness that we all want.
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  Speaker 3: Liam Bartlett's seven Network Spotlight program was fascinating, not least
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  Speaker 3: for the exchange between Hanson and young fundamentalist Muslim girls.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a sample.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want to wear it yourself personally?
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  Speaker 2: Or was it?
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  Speaker 4: Does your mother wear it?
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  Speaker 8: My mother wears it, but I chose to wear She
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  Speaker 8: told me that it's better if I do it when
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  Speaker 8: I grow up. But I've always wanted to do it
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  Speaker 8: from a young age, and as I grew older to
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  Speaker 8: this age, it just my urge to wear it grew
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  Speaker 8: stronger and it was my own choice.
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  Speaker 4: Do you believe that you should be allowed to be
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  Speaker 4: married off at your parents to the parents choose for you.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't see why there's a problem with because
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  Speaker 8: my parents know what's best for me. As long as
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  Speaker 8: there's a mutual agreement, if the child themselves is fine
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  Speaker 8: with it, then I don't see why there's a problem.
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  Speaker 3: Right to my mind, this is one of the areas
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  Speaker 3: where the debate ought to focus. As difficult as it is,
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  Speaker 3: because most of us, whatever words we use, accept and
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  Speaker 3: embrace multicultural or multi ethnic Australia. That's simply what we are,
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  Speaker 3: and we've done that better than just about any country
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  Speaker 3: on the planet. And Muslims have been part of that
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  Speaker 3: for two hundred years, increasingly so. Of course, in the
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  Speaker 3: past five or six decades. Pretty much all of us
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  Speaker 3: oppose extremism. We all oppose terrorism, so surely it's not
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  Speaker 3: hard to forge a consensus against Islamists extremism. But if
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  Speaker 3: we demand that migrants adopt Australian values when they arrive here,
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  Speaker 3: where do we draw the line on religious and cultural practices. Surely,
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  Speaker 3: hiding women and girls under burkers, pushing arranged marriages, supporting polygamy,
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  Speaker 3: and Sharia law are beyond the pale. Surely, holding those
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  Speaker 3: attitudes must be our red line most of us, except
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  Speaker 3: that these attitudes fundamentally challenge or defy our national values,
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  Speaker 3: and therefore it's unwise to welcome people who hold them.
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  Speaker 3: Where are the feminists on these issues? They seem to
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  Speaker 3: be silent. While ever, the more moderate or more established
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  Speaker 3: voices are silent on these issues, the more attention they'll
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  Speaker 3: be on Hansen and her Ilk, because whether you like
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  Speaker 3: them or not, or whether you agree with them or not,
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  Speaker 3: they are brave enough to discuss these uncomfortable issues. The
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  Speaker 3: government seems to think you can ignore all this. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister was talking about Islamophobia on the weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Albanizi seems to think that issues of immigration, social cohesion
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  Speaker 3: and fundamentalism will look after themselves if you just leave
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  Speaker 3: them alone.
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  Speaker 2: Bondi put the lie to that. Related to this, I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to share.
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  Speaker 3: With you another example of the warped priorities of our
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  Speaker 3: authorities in this country. To this will demonstrate how this
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  Speaker 3: country has lost its way. To me, this is at
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  Speaker 3: least a reflection of poor political leadership, of the insidious
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  Speaker 3: creep of political correctness through politics. The bureaucracy and law
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  Speaker 3: enforcement agencies. It shows that there are some targets that
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  Speaker 3: are seen as politically easy, and.
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  Speaker 2: There are others that are just too hot.
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  Speaker 3: No matter how dangerous, they are seen as too hot
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  Speaker 3: to handle, So police and other authorities back off.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with the easy target.
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  Speaker 3: And last week a couple of anti abortion protesters were
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  Speaker 3: displaying signs and making their point outside the office of
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  Speaker 3: Queensland Health Minister Tim Nichols. These Christian protesters, peaceful protesters,
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  Speaker 3: drew the attention of not one but six police officers.
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  Speaker 3: The police questioned and then arrested the protesters, then unarrested.
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  Speaker 2: Them, if we could put it that way, when it.
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  Speaker 3: Became clear there was no basis upon which to arrest them.
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  Speaker 9: So your uncomfortable with the scientist that you're promoted.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, is making people uncomfortable with lawful grounds for move
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  Speaker 1: on direction in us?
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  Speaker 2: Just incredible, isn't it? Six police the heavy hand of
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  Speaker 2: the law.
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  Speaker 10: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The reason I want to show you that is by
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  Speaker 3: way of comparison. Remember when we saw this on the
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  Speaker 3: streets of Sydney on October the eighth, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 10: It's a day of courage.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a Muslim mob celebrating the slaughter of at least
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  Speaker 3: twelve hundred Israelis.
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  Speaker 2: Police just watched that.
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  Speaker 3: No action, no arrests, no condemnation, no questioning, nothing, And
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  Speaker 3: the very next night police actually escorted a similar gathering
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  Speaker 3: from Sydney's town Hall all the way down to the
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  Speaker 3: Opera House, where the nation was supposed to be honoring
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  Speaker 3: slaughtered Israelis and where this anti Israeli, anti Jewish mob
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  Speaker 3: did not have a permit to protest ugly divisive race
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  Speaker 3: based and religion based threats.
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  Speaker 2: And what did the police do.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing, No arrests, no one moved on, no charges afterwards,
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  Speaker 3: even when the video was examined.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing.
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  Speaker 3: And a couple of years later, when thousands, including at
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  Speaker 3: least one hate preacher, marched against Israel on the Harbor Bridge,
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  Speaker 3: some waving the flags of terrorist groups, some waving a
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  Speaker 3: poster of the then Iranian leader and sponsor of global
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  Speaker 3: Islamist terrorism, and some chanting for death, there was, of course,
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  Speaker 3: no police action, no arrests, no charges, and even from
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  Speaker 3: the country's leader, we got only an endorsement.
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  Speaker 11: Yesterday's march was peaceful and was an opportunity for people
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  Speaker 11: to express their concern about what is happening in Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: That's Australia today.
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  Speaker 3: Cheer for terrorism, chant for death, and you're left alone
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  Speaker 3: and even praised. But stage a peaceful protest against abortion,
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  Speaker 3: an issue on which we all of us will have
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  Speaker 3: different views, and the heavy hand of the law just
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  Speaker 3: might come your way.
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  Speaker 2: These are the contradictions.
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  Speaker 3: These are the warped priorities that drive voters away from
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  Speaker 3: the major parties to a party of discontent, an anti
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  Speaker 3: establishment party like One Nation. As it happens, there are
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  Speaker 3: some special laws to prevent protests outside abortion clinics, and
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  Speaker 3: at the Bondi Royal Commission today the former Federal Labor
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  Speaker 3: Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss said Jewish institutions should get similar protection.
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  Speaker 1: It's time to consider whether we need some similar restriction
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  Speaker 1: on protest activity outside synagogues, on protest activity outside schools
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  Speaker 1: and Jewish places of gathering.
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  Speaker 2: A fair idea.
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  Speaker 3: But once more of this stuff, while it might be necessary,
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  Speaker 3: addresses the symptoms rather than the causes. The Royal Commission
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  Speaker 3: really needs to focus on Islamus extremism and broader demonization
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  Speaker 3: of Israel in the media.
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  Speaker 2: And the political debate.
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  Speaker 3: That's where the hatred is being cultivated and authorities need
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  Speaker 3: to be consistent in the way they apply the law.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're not the only ones talking about Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 3: and One Nation, with their strength in the polls confirmed
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  Speaker 3: again nationally and on the state scenes in Victoria and
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales which both states face elections in the
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  Speaker 3: not too distant future, everyone of course is talking about
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  Speaker 3: One Nation, and the Prime Minister was particularly pointed in
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  Speaker 3: his comments today.
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  Speaker 11: I find it astonishing that paul En Hanson has troubled
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  Speaker 11: overseas in order to denigrate talk down Australia. What we
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  Speaker 11: need to do as public representatives is take our responsibility seriously.
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  Speaker 3: So that's Anthony Albanesi taking the high moral ground and
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  Speaker 3: pretending that in international relations we need leaders who can
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  Speaker 3: take their responsibility seriously.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So here's that same Prime Minister, Anthony Albanesi talking about
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  Speaker 3: the Japanese Prime Minister Sanai Takaichi.
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  Speaker 2: Just a couple of weeks back.
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  Speaker 11: The Japanese Prime minister brought a melon.
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  Speaker 12: She she smuggled it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I got a couple of melons she
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  Speaker 2: brought too. She brought too as you do.
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  Speaker 9: She just came in looking like Pamela Ranas she brought
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  Speaker 9: to yes and they're beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's your Prime Minister, all class, all serious responsibility apparently,
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  Speaker 3: which leads me to what I think is one.
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  Speaker 2: Of the best sentences published this year.
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  Speaker 3: It comes from a mate of mine at The Australian,
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  Speaker 3: Steve Waterson, his weekly column in the Weekend Australian magazine,
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  Speaker 3: and it goes like this, whatever you think of Pauline Hansen.
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  Speaker 3: For the Prime Minister to imply she's not fit to
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  Speaker 3: represent Australia on the global stage while pretending to juggle
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  Speaker 3: the imaginary melons of his Japanese counterpart suggests self awareness
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  Speaker 3: is missing from his slender quiver of talents. Brilliantly said Steve,
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  Speaker 3: I can't say it any better than that, so I'll
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  Speaker 3: happily go with his observation. Let's catch up now with
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  Speaker 3: the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Affairs, Julian Lisa, who joins
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  Speaker 3: me from mary Brough in Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Julian.
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  Speaker 13: Great to be with you. Chris.
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  Speaker 3: I want you to first up, just give me your
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  Speaker 3: take on Pauline Hanson's comments on Channel seven last night.
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  Speaker 3: Suggestions that people are saying she's HARKing back to the
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  Speaker 3: wide Australia policy.
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  Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce denies this.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I don't think One Nation is a serious political
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  Speaker 13: party where you've got the leader of One Nation in
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  Speaker 13: the House of Representatives and the leader of One Nation
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  Speaker 13: in the Senate not being able to agree on a
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  Speaker 13: fundamental issue of immigration policy. Where in the Coalition have
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  Speaker 13: been very clear we're opposed to mass migration. Wherefore a
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  Speaker 13: values based migration policy, and where for a policy where
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  Speaker 13: we bring people in if we can house them, and
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  Speaker 13: at the moment we are not. We're bringing in more
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  Speaker 13: people than we can house, and we need to have
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  Speaker 13: a link between the number of people we're bringing in
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  Speaker 13: and the number of houses constructed. That's a serious migration policy.
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  Speaker 13: Labor and One Nation don't have serious migration policies.
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  Speaker 3: Your federal president and former Prime Minister Tony Abbott says
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  Speaker 3: multiculturalism has failed.
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  Speaker 2: Is he right?
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  Speaker 13: Well, I believe Australia is a country with an indigenous heritage,
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  Speaker 13: of British foundation and a multicultural character. That's no Pearson's phrasing.
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  Speaker 13: That's the Frasingtony Abbott used to use when he was
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  Speaker 13: Prime Minister. I think what we need to do is
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  Speaker 13: make multiculturalism work better. We need to make sure that
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  Speaker 13: everybody signs up to our values. We can't have a
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  Speaker 13: situation in this country where people are running around our
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  Speaker 13: streets holding terrorist flags or the images of terrorists in
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  Speaker 13: our country. That's not on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, Tony Abbott, though now has said that multiculturalism has failed.
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  Speaker 3: Your colleague in the Senate, Andrew Bragg has said Tony
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  Speaker 3: Abbott is wrong. Who's right here, Andrew Bragg or Tony Abbott.
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  Speaker 13: Well, Julian Lisa's right here, Chris, Julian Lisa and me
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  Speaker 13: I say that multiculturalism is a good thing for Australia.
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  Speaker 13: It's part of our history, it's part of our character,
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  Speaker 13: and it's a very important part of our character. But
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  Speaker 13: we can't have a multiculturalism where people don't commit to
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  Speaker 13: our values. We need to have people come to this country,
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  Speaker 13: doesn't matter where they've come from, doesn't matter which God
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  Speaker 13: they worship or what racial background they are. If they
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  Speaker 13: sign up to our values, that's the key thing. That's
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  Speaker 13: what multiculturalism is all about.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: I tend to think you are right, Julian Lisa, and
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  Speaker 3: what you say seems to be the position that's been
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  Speaker 3: espoused by the Liberal Party for many, many years, including
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  Speaker 3: when Tony Abbott was Prime Minister. But if he's now
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  Speaker 3: saying that multiculturalism has failed, isn't that a problem for
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  Speaker 3: the party given his status as the Federal President.
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  Speaker 13: Well, it's the parliamentary party that makes the policy, and
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  Speaker 13: it's our policy that we are a country with a
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  Speaker 13: British heritage, an indigenous foundation and a multicultural character. And
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  Speaker 13: the key thing here is that we ensure that our
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  Speaker 13: country is strong and cohesive and that we all sign
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  Speaker 13: up to a key set of venues.
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  Speaker 3: You remember of the Australian Jewish community, you've been very
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  Speaker 3: active on some of the issues of social cohesion in
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  Speaker 3: recent times. What did you make of the report of
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  Speaker 3: the Special Envoy on Islamophobia and the Prime Minister's statements
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  Speaker 3: about this on the weekend.
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  Speaker 13: Well, Chris, let's remember why we have this Special Envoy
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  Speaker 13: on Islama Fhobia in the first place. We have him
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  Speaker 13: because the government did not have the moral clarity to
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  Speaker 13: recognize the particularity of antisemitism, and so in order to
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  Speaker 13: somehow balance the leigure, they needed not only to create
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  Speaker 13: an anti Semitism envoy, but also to create an Islamophobia envoy.
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  Speaker 13: And I think these ideas from the Islamophobia are just
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  Speaker 13: dead wrong, particularly in the wake of BONDI, particularly in
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  Speaker 13: the wake of the Director General of Securities Threat assessment
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  Speaker 13: that religiously made avated violence and politically motivated extremism are
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  Speaker 13: on the rise. How can you possibly suggest that those
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  Speaker 13: ideas be taken out of the definition of terrorism. The
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  Speaker 13: Islamophobia envoy just does not get it.
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  Speaker 3: There's a problem here, isn't there in false equivalence. Now,
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  Speaker 3: we all would condemn islamophobia where it occurs. There have
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  Speaker 3: been precious few serious examples in Australia, but we always
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  Speaker 3: have to check ourselves against that horrific massacre in christ
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  Speaker 3: Church because that is the example that shines out to
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  Speaker 3: the world as.
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  Speaker 2: To how horrible that that hatred can go.
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  Speaker 3: But we've had no serious problems with Isamabia in this country,
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  Speaker 3: but the government seems to be pretending there is in
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  Speaker 3: order to create an equivalence with anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 13: Well, Chris, you're absolutely right. We have to call ad
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  Speaker 13: islamophobia wherever it exists. I did so at the time
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  Speaker 13: of christ Church. I've done so when mu was The
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  Speaker 13: women with their hidjeobs are beaten up in the streets,
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  Speaker 13: where men going off to pray on a Friday beaten up.
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  Speaker 13: That is just wrong. That is not what our country
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  Speaker 13: is about. But you know, fifteen people have been murdered
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  Speaker 13: in cold blood because they are Jewish, and we have
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  Speaker 13: had rising antisemitism off the charts the last few years.
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  Speaker 13: It is to the shame of the government that when
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  Speaker 13: they appointed the Antisemitism Envoy, and indeed you remember they
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  Speaker 13: delayed the appointment of the antisemitism Envoy because for some
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  Speaker 13: reason that this government, the Albanizi government, had to be
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  Speaker 13: seen to balance the Ledger. Now, I think this has
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  Speaker 13: been the entire problem with how they have dealt with
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  Speaker 13: antisemitism since October seven. They failed to see it as
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  Speaker 13: the serious threat it is. They failed to deal with
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  Speaker 13: it properly, and they've always had to do some balancing
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  Speaker 13: exercise to appease other constituencies. I think that's just wrong,
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  Speaker 13: and I think that they stood condemned for the Prime
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  Speaker 13: Minister's failure to deal with these issues seriously, particularly after BONDI.
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  Speaker 3: I want to switch to matters involving your portfolio and
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the prime minister's trustworthiness. Here is Anthony Albanizi at the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Gama Indigenous Festival last year.
• 20:26
  Speaker 11: And I commit here that every single year, as that
• 20:30
  Speaker 11: I have the great honor to be Australia as Prime Minister,
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: I will be here and engaged with you.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: He promised last year he'd be there every year as
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Prime minister. But this year already the first year he's
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: failed on the promise.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Here he was last week. Is this a broken promise?
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: You know what, Amish, I haven't had a day off
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: all year, all year, and this weekend, in a few days,
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: I'll be an another remote part of the Northern territory.
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: Garma isn't the only festival.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Jullian Lisa.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: It's getting to the stage where you listen to Anthony
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Alberanezi and you know he'll do the opposite to what
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: he says.
• 21:14
  Speaker 13: Chris, this is a prime minister addicted to lying and denying.
• 21:19
  Speaker 13: He lied about the taxes he's brought in, he lied
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: about energy prices. Now he's lied about going to Garma.
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: Australians cannot trust Albin.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Easy incredible stuff. Thanks for joining us, Julian Lisa. Can't
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: argue with that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Another broken promise that one didn't last long at all,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: did it. Now?
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I just want to get back to the energy debate
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: because a bit has been happening here in Australia. But
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: just before we go to the domestic debate, I also
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: want to have a show you a bit of an
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: international podcast. It's got something like one and a half
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: million subscribers and it's looked in depth at Australia's Shambalic
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Snowy Hydro two point zero project that's running.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: As you know watching this program, it's running.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Almost a decade behind time and about one thousand percent
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I over budget.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Have a look at the conclusions from this podcast.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: Cruise shifted detention from raw excavation toward the long task
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: of fitting out the power station itself, installing turbines, generators,
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: transformers and the thousands of kilometers of cabling that turn
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: a hole in a mountain into a generator or a
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: very big battery. I suppose the official targets have not
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: moved since the twenty twenty three reset. First power is
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: still scheduled for late twenty twenty seven, and full commercial
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: operation is still scheduled for twenty twenty eight. A fresh
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: cost review is underway at the time of writing, although
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I wonder which direction that's going to go. Although Snowy
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Hydra has already considered that the twelve billion dollar figure
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: agreed at the reset is not going to be the
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: final number. Pumped Hydra at the scale is designed to
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: operate for a century or more down molls tunnels and
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: underground cabins of life spans measured in generations, and the
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: turbines can be replaced inside the same civil shell. A
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: renewable heavy grid in twenty fifty would have genuine use
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: for three hundred and fifty gig or what hours of
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: dispatchables storage sitting under the snowy mountains.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Sure, in the end it might have to work, but
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: what cost when it comes to electricity output? And what
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: about the opportunity cost for the country? Let's bring it,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Aiden Robinson, Aidan Morrison, sorry from the Center for Independent Study,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: is good to talk to you again, Aiden. I want
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: to get into some other developments locally, but the Snowy
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: HydroD two point zero, it goes on and on, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: this analysis from overseas suggests well, in the end it's
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: going to work, but the.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Cost are we getting electricity at value?
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: For money, and what about the opportunity on cost on
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: what else we could be doing for our energy grid.
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: There's absolutely no hope this is good value for money anymore.
• 23:40
  Speaker 14: And I'm still.
• 23:40
  Speaker 15: Actually a little bit worried about whether it will work.
• 23:42
  Speaker 14: This is a very pioneering project, this huge technical challenges,
• 23:45
  Speaker 14: so I'm not banking on it definitely working yet. I
• 23:48
  Speaker 14: suppose you can keep throwing money at it until it does.
• 23:50
  Speaker 14: But back when this was actually first approved, when they
• 23:52
  Speaker 14: had financial Investment Decision approved for this, it was expected
• 23:56
  Speaker 14: the overall gross benefits would lie in the region of
• 23:59
  Speaker 14: somewhere like six pion dollars or seven. They're the gross benefits,
• 24:03
  Speaker 14: so you should never contemplate spending more than that amount
• 24:05
  Speaker 14: of money on a project like this. So we know
• 24:07
  Speaker 14: three times that we know we are so far deep
• 24:10
  Speaker 14: in the red now this is absolutely a more expensive
• 24:13
  Speaker 14: energy system we're building trying to prop this up. So
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: I think it's not too late to cancel it. Because
• 24:17
  Speaker 14: they've said they're seventy percent of the way through on
• 24:19
  Speaker 14: a schedule that they know, assuming a schedule holds, which
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: they've admitted they can't hold anymore. So the true level
• 24:24
  Speaker 14: of progress is much less than what they have. And
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: in fact we know there is a new schedule that's
• 24:29
  Speaker 14: been provided by a contractor has not been agreed to
• 24:32
  Speaker 14: by Snowy Hydro because it's so far beyond what's what
• 24:35
  Speaker 14: they wanted to have happened. So that with holding all information,
• 24:38
  Speaker 14: who knows where we're at. But it could be so
• 24:39
  Speaker 14: many more billions. There's not a chance this makes sense
• 24:42
  Speaker 14: for consumers.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: It's just a shock. And I just remember it's a
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: coalition plan.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Initially, this was Malcolm Turnbull's baby labor of head along
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: kept going down this runaway railroad track, but it was
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: a coalition initiative to start with. I want to get
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: back to other issues, the examination of our current renewables transition.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Here's what Chris Bowen has been putting out.
• 25:04
  Speaker 16: On it so.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Well, the fancy music cat shas it up too much, candidate,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: And the point here is this is the gen cost report,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: the government's own agencies looking at the transition. Now Bowen
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: always trying to tell us renewables are the cheapest form
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: of energy, et cetera, et cetera. This report confirms they
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: are not right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: That's right, that's exactly right.
• 25:38
  Speaker 14: So this is the first time we've had CSI ROH
• 25:39
  Speaker 14: come out on their own paper, in their own words
• 25:42
  Speaker 14: tell us the opposite of that, And in fact, I
• 25:44
  Speaker 14: think almost word for word is something like there is
• 25:47
  Speaker 14: a clear trend that decreasing emissions increases electricity prices in
• 25:52
  Speaker 14: twenty fifties. We're building a more expensive system the more
• 25:55
  Speaker 14: we try to push down emissions, and that's a huge
• 25:58
  Speaker 14: corner of them to turn to admit that. So it's
• 26:00
  Speaker 14: remarkable that Chris Bowmen can still be all jazzy about
• 26:03
  Speaker 14: this report, which actually confirms that we are lied to
• 26:06
  Speaker 14: for so long about whether this is pushing prices up
• 26:09
  Speaker 14: or down.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: See, this is worth dwelling.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: On because people mug punters like me have been saying
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: it for years, because it's so obvious. Experts like you
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: have been saying it four years, because you've done all
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: the data and worked out all the modeling that this
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: transition to renewables is increasing our electricity costs and will
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: continue to do so. Yet the government instead of saying that,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: instead of saying that we believe that the reducing our
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: emissions is a cost worth bearing, they've pretended that renewables
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: are cleaner and even more reliable.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Than what we've had and their own report.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Now, finally it's dodged around this for years, because this
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: report comes.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Out every year.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: They've finally faced up to the facts in what way
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: give us, give us, explain to us why and how
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: they've had to face up to those facts.
• 26:55
  Speaker 14: Look, they've just they've been trying to dance around various
• 26:58
  Speaker 14: ways of treating some of the costs of supporting intermittent power.
• 27:03
  Speaker 14: They've been trying to basically use different types of a
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: sunk cost trickery where we say we're committed to doing this,
• 27:07
  Speaker 14: we're committed to building snowy too, so we'll ignore the
• 27:10
  Speaker 14: cost of that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 15: We're committed to building this transmission, so all the cost
• 27:12
  Speaker 15: of that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 14: They've been called out time and time again, very proud
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: that myself and see how has been calling out on that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 14: And they've got to the point that they've now that
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: had to sort of come and say they still have
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: huge optimism and a whole bunch of their assumption.
• 27:23
  Speaker 15: Sure, but they've got to the point where they light up.
• 27:24
  Speaker 14: And they say, we can't make this look lower than
• 27:27
  Speaker 14: an alternative that incorporates coal. It looks kind of close,
• 27:31
  Speaker 14: and their models say it's it's cheaper with coal. But
• 27:35
  Speaker 14: they've got to this point after so long. But this
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: is the most enormous bait and switch. It's a real
• 27:40
  Speaker 14: heist because people bought into this whole policy narrative, not
• 27:43
  Speaker 14: because they were dyed in the wool committed to climate
• 27:46
  Speaker 14: action and any costs, but because they were actually took
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: along with this idea this is also cheaper. What I mean,
• 27:52
  Speaker 14: who would reject to something that is clean and it's
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: cheaper and it's cheaper. And so now we've got these
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: institutions coming out and saying, oh no, no, it's not
• 27:59
  Speaker 14: totally cheaper, it's just the cheapest way of reaching these
• 28:01
  Speaker 14: emissions goals that we have to. So please swallow the
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: higher cost now, because it's the least way of doing
• 28:08
  Speaker 14: least cost way of doing.
• 28:09
  Speaker 15: A more expensive thing. And this is not the deal
• 28:11
  Speaker 15: we signed up to.
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: If you look at all the speeches that were initially made,
• 28:14
  Speaker 14: and even people like Lily Dan Brosia are still saying this,
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: Chris Bowen still saying it's still saying this is going
• 28:19
  Speaker 14: to put down on pressure on bills.
• 28:21
  Speaker 15: There is not a chance that is still true.
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: And CSI rohd's report has now finally acknowledged that what
• 28:26
  Speaker 14: we're doing is pushing prices up.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Reality, A little slither of reality from the government's own agencies.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Aiden, Thanks Aden Morrison there from
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: the Center for Independent Studies.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break. On the other side.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Of that, We're went across to Israel where the Israelis
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: are continuing to strike Hezbalah in southern Lebanon, and of
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: course US is attacking Iran. I'll catch up with the
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: outgoing Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell. Let's go to our
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Monday Night panel now with Gematon Uni from GT Communications
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: and Sky News contributor and WA Liberal Party President Caroline
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Derusso good to speak to both of you.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Pauline Hans is not going away here,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: is she Carrow?
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: No, she's not going away.
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: But I don't think anyone was expecting her.
• 29:15
  Speaker 12: To be going away, Chris.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I think was expecting her to be palling equivalent to
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: the federal government deep into her.
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: No they weren't, well, no, probably not, but equally it's
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: been a pretty appalling, appalling federal government and obviously our
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: change of leadership and getting our ducks back in a row.
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: Has definitely taken some time. Thankfully, we have seen the
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: Libs move up, all the coalition move up a couple
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: of percentage points on primary, which is a very welcome relief.
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: But the thing is too, Chris, people like you in
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: the media and across the media spectrum are talking an
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: awful lot about Pauline. So if you talk about her,
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: people think about her, and people consider So this is
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: just partner. She's now part of the everyday political discourse
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: of this country and she needs, like I've said to
• 30:08
  Speaker 9: you before, she needs to be held accountable like one
• 30:11
  Speaker 9: of the majors if she's polling like one of the majors.
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: But you know, she's firmly in the middle of it,
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: so I don't expect things to change while she is.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary situation. It's quite a historic shift.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Of course, we're talking about her because she's polling thirty
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: percent nationally and Jemma, you know, we talk a lot
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: about the Liberals. That doesn't see to boost they're polling either.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: There's a lot going on here and clearly one nation
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: has picked up a conservative vote, stolen it if you like,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: from the coalition parties on key issues that the big
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: question is whether it sustains through to an election.
• 30:49
  Speaker 17: There's two things I want to say about this, Chris.
• 30:52
  Speaker 17: First of all, Pauline Hanson didn't accidentally gain traction with
• 30:56
  Speaker 17: the Australian electorate. This didn't happen in the blink an eye.
• 31:00
  Speaker 17: She has been there for a very long time and
• 31:03
  Speaker 17: she's offering something to voters that they've not been getting
• 31:06
  Speaker 17: from either of the majors, and that is consistency over time.
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: They know what they're getting. I think that's a big factor.
• 31:11
  Speaker 17: Secondly, in relation to the party I vote for, which
• 31:14
  Speaker 17: is the Liberal Party, the Liberal National Coalition, people have
• 31:19
  Speaker 17: in my view, erroneously been saying, oh, well, Angus Taylor
• 31:22
  Speaker 17: should have made traction by now, Angus Taylor isn't dealing
• 31:25
  Speaker 17: with something that he inherited two months ago or two
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: and a half months ago. He's not dealing with the
• 31:30
  Speaker 17: wash up from the election that Peter Dutton lost. He's
• 31:33
  Speaker 17: dealing with the absolute, unmitigated, unholy mess that the coalition
• 31:37
  Speaker 17: started making from the moment that at Knife to Tony Abbott.
• 31:41
  Speaker 17: That's what he's turning around cumulatively. The effect of those things,
• 31:46
  Speaker 17: the effect of the Morrison policies during COVID, the effect
• 31:49
  Speaker 17: of Peter Dutton, as I said, the effect of nine
• 31:52
  Speaker 17: months of Susan Lee doing absolutely nothing other than being
• 31:55
  Speaker 17: a woman in that role. So, as Caroline said, we
• 31:58
  Speaker 17: have seen versal in the trend for the Liberal Party
• 32:02
  Speaker 17: of the coalition party's primary votes. People need to realize
• 32:06
  Speaker 17: that whilst we live in a microwave world, these things
• 32:10
  Speaker 17: don't course correct quickly, particularly when they have been such
• 32:14
  Speaker 17: a weeping saw over time.
• 32:16
  Speaker 12: And I will say what everybody knows.
• 32:18
  Speaker 17: That weeping saw was of the Coalition's own doing, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 17: it always was going to depend on how long the party,
• 32:24
  Speaker 17: and I'm not a member of the party, how long
• 32:27
  Speaker 17: the party was prepared to sit in its own manure.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you're absolutely right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: This stuff started with the Turnbull and it sort of
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: went through a hiatus I suppose with the Scott Morrison
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: and went downhill with the Susan Lee. The party lost
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: conviction on key issues. Angus Taylor started to repair that,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: especially as he outlined in his Budget reply speech and
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: what he's been saying about immigration, but it's going to
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: take a long while to turn that around. The other
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: thing is it's us to get a bit ugly though, Caroline.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I was just talking earlier to Julian Lisa. Now you've
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: got Tony Abbott out there in the role as an
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: esteemed former prime minister, of course, but in the current
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: role as Federal President saying that multiculturalism has failed.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Now, that's not been the line, and that's not really
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the belief of a lot of people in the Liberal Party.
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: Well, everyone in the Liberal Party is going to have
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: their own opinion. We're a party that still allows people
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: to have their own opinion. So I think that there'll
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: be some people who may agree with that view, and
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: they'll be a great number obviously as well who don't
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: agree with that view. Tony has always been part of
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: the political discourse, and I suppose it just you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: I haven't heard those particular comments. I'll take your word
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: for it, but I'm not sure the context in which
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: they were said. Tony has been part of the discourse.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure if they were said in his position
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: as federal president. But the role of federal president is
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: really quite a different one, and that there's really a
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: more internal facing role, and you know, it's about membership,
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: about the divisions and how they all work together, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: how we pick our candidates and all of those.
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: Sorts of things.
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: So that role is really quite separate to one where
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: you're talking about those external policy positions. And obviously all
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: of those policy positions go through the party room. That's
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: the way that we've always done it. And whether Tony
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: agrees with that view or not, well, that's entirely up
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: to him.
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: He's also always.
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: Had an opinion and i'd like to see anyone telling
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: me you can't have one.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: But these are the internal debates that make life very
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: difficult for the coalition Gemma. And you know it's part
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: of the political genius of Pauline Hanson. Whether it's whether
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: it's premeditated or accidental.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: But she can chuck out a.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Word like monoculture, it sets off this debate when you
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: pin her down on it. When I've asked her about
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: that on this show, what she ends up talking about
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: is essentially multiculturalism as we've understood it. She said, yeah,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: everyone's fine as long as we sign up to Australian values.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Then she triggers this debate about whether multicultural is has failed.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: It's largely a debate about semantics.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: But it's easy for her because she just throws these
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: words around, whereas the Liberals, the Coalition, the parties of
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: government actually have to come up with firm policies.
• 35:12
  Speaker 17: Well, that's definitely true, but I'd say the other reason
• 35:14
  Speaker 17: that it's easy for her, and easy might not be
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: the right word, but the other reason that it perhaps
• 35:19
  Speaker 17: sits a lot more naturally for her, for want of
• 35:21
  Speaker 17: a better phrase or description, is because she's been saying
• 35:23
  Speaker 17: the same thing for thirty years. This is not a
• 35:25
  Speaker 17: woman who's turned around and changed her position, as you
• 35:28
  Speaker 17: know our glass Jeorde Mellonmann Prime Minister does every thirty
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: seconds when it suits him.
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: She said the same thing. People know what she stands for.
• 35:35
  Speaker 17: Agree or disagree. This is a person who's been consistent.
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: You're quite right.
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: There needs to be policy underpinning that that can be interrogated.
• 35:43
  Speaker 17: Worthy of a person or a party that is trying
• 35:46
  Speaker 17: to say to the Australian public we are worthy of government.
• 35:48
  Speaker 17: We know that the Australian Labor Party is not worthy
• 35:51
  Speaker 17: of government. They lie, they obfuscate, they are absolutely ruinous
• 35:54
  Speaker 17: crooks from all intents and purposes.
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: But Pauline Hanson has.
• 35:59
  Speaker 17: The one thing that no one of the others have
• 36:00
  Speaker 17: consistency over time, and that is something that we're all
• 36:03
  Speaker 17: seeing the power of.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I suppose let me let.
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: Me jump in there. Sorry, Chris, can I just jump
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: in there?
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, Pauline the One Nation is essentially run like a dictatorship.
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: Pauline decides and everyone else falls into line. It's very,
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: very different where you've got a cabinet or you've got
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: a party room, where you've got multiple opinions and multiple
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: people essentially putting together what is the police.
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  Speaker 12: Also has No, I don't care. No, I know, I know, Gemma,
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  Speaker 12: I know, Jemma. But you've got that. It is am
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  Speaker 12: I being told how I am scolding you?
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  Speaker 9: No, it's But the simple fact of the matter is
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  Speaker 9: is Angus Taylor or anyone who's the leader of the
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: Liberal Party can't just go out and go bang. That's
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: her policy today. Everyone else falls into life.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 17: I'm just saying, voters don't care, so you've got to
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  Speaker 17: come up with a solution.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, it does make it easy for her. One
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  Speaker 2: Nation party room is Pauline. Whatever Pauline says goes. But
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  Speaker 2: I agree with both of you. It makes it easy
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  Speaker 2: for one nation.
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  Speaker 3: But Jemma, if butters don't care, they just want to
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  Speaker 3: see what you're saying, what your position.
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  Speaker 2: Is, we will see.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us again, Caroline, do and
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Jemmy Toanyini, we'll bet to get off to a break.
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  Speaker 3: On the other side of that break, I think we
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: might be going to London this time.
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  Speaker 2: If not, we'll go to Israel.
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  Speaker 3: I'll check in and confirm that with you on the
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  Speaker 3: other side of the break.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: As you'll have heard in the news, tensions and conflict
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: between the US and Iran have been escalating after three
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: US service members were killed, two in Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: And one in Iraq. Here's the letters from Fox News.
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  Speaker 18: US Central Commands says it completed and eighth straight night
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  Speaker 18: of attacks on Iranian targets Sunday morning. Both have traded
• 37:51
  Speaker 18: blows over control of the critical straight of horror moves,
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  Speaker 18: as the US says Iran has violated a temporary peace
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  Speaker 18: agreement signed last month by closing access to.
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  Speaker 15: The waterway.
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  Speaker 18: As part of the latest strike, The US military says
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  Speaker 18: it targeted around Revolutionary Guard It was a retaliatory attack
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  Speaker 18: following the Iranian strike in Jordan, which killed two American
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  Speaker 18: service members and injured several others at a US base.
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  Speaker 3: Let's got to TELEVIV now and catch up with the
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  Speaker 3: former Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell joining US live. Sharon,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. We'll come to you in a
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: changing role in a moment. But first up, the latest
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  Speaker 3: developments in the war. Is Israel's supportive of the new
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: assaults from the US, hoping that you'll be able to
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: debilitate the Iranian regime.
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  Speaker 16: Well, look, right now, we are not participating actively. But
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  Speaker 16: there's two options. I mean, the first one, if Iran
• 38:46
  Speaker 16: chooses to attack Israel, then it will be responded. And
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  Speaker 16: the second one is if the United States and President
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  Speaker 16: Trump requests from Israel for assistance and to join the
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  Speaker 16: the military campaign as well. But I have to say
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  Speaker 16: it's been deteriorating for quite a long time. Iran has
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  Speaker 16: been attacking numerous countries, killing US soldiers. I mean, we've
• 39:15
  Speaker 16: seen that deterioration going for a long time. And I
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  Speaker 16: think when I spoke even on your show quite a
• 39:21
  Speaker 16: couple of months ago, I said, you know, regardless of
• 39:24
  Speaker 16: the heavy negotiations and the real attempt of President Trump
• 39:29
  Speaker 16: to try and go through diplomatic means that I had
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  Speaker 16: very little faith and I know that because of the
• 39:35
  Speaker 16: fanatical ideology that leads the IRGC.
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  Speaker 3: But Israel is still dealing with Hezbelara and southern Lebanon,
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  Speaker 3: so you're effectively fighting Iranian proxy as we speak.
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  Speaker 16: Absolutely, and Ramas also we've still been fighting it at
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  Speaker 16: in the south as well. We've had an attack coming
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  Speaker 16: through our southern border through a lat which is being
• 39:57
  Speaker 16: investigated right now, but we had to intercept this attack
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  Speaker 16: as well that came through Jordan of what it seems,
• 40:06
  Speaker 16: but it's still under investigation. There was another you know,
• 40:10
  Speaker 16: flying object coming from the Syrian border as well that
• 40:13
  Speaker 16: is being investigated right now. So you know, we know
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  Speaker 16: they are trying and attempting to come and attack us
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  Speaker 16: through different means and different proxies. But the you know,
• 40:25
  Speaker 16: if there'll be a full confrontation, it's whether the United
• 40:28
  Speaker 16: States will request us and we will join our allies
• 40:32
  Speaker 16: and or Iran will attack us directly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's shortly given this situation, this ongoing situation of
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: war and the Israel desperately defending itself and seeking to
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: take out its enemies, you've resigned from the government. You've
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: resigned as Deputy Foreign Minister over changes to the law
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: that would make it easier for draft dodgers, religious hardliners
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: who don't want to defend Israel in the armed services.
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  Speaker 3: Can you tell us how difficult it was for you
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  Speaker 3: to make that decision?
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  Speaker 16: Oh, It's been really difficult. I did it with a
• 41:06
  Speaker 16: very heavy heart and a broken heart, to be honest,
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  Speaker 16: and let me just you know, clarify, Chris, because my
• 41:15
  Speaker 16: positions on Israel's diplomatic arena and Israel's security arena hasn't
• 41:21
  Speaker 16: changed at all. This is an internal issue of the
• 41:24
  Speaker 16: draft bill that we are discussing right now that is
• 41:28
  Speaker 16: going to dictate whether we will have enough manpower to
• 41:31
  Speaker 16: defend our borders and our communities. That's the only question.
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  Speaker 16: And with a very heavy heart, I had to resign
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: because I couldn't accept that.
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  Speaker 3: This is though in defiance of your Prime Minister Benjamin
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: net Yahoo. Does this mean that you no longer have
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: faith in Benjamin Netanyahu's leadership of the country during this war?
• 41:52
  Speaker 16: Look absolutely not. I've been watching Prime Minister Natanyao and
• 41:56
  Speaker 16: his decision. The decision making was absolutely right and correct.
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  Speaker 16: You know, I've backed him and I still back him.
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  Speaker 16: I know what are enemies that stand in.
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: Front of us.
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  Speaker 16: Those are murderous monsters with a radical Islamist ideology where
• 42:12
  Speaker 16: their only purpose is to dine in the attempt of
• 42:15
  Speaker 16: completely annihilate the Jewish people. And the Jewish say, this
• 42:18
  Speaker 16: is a real threat that we live through every single day.
• 42:22
  Speaker 16: And to be honest, right now, things can change dramatically
• 42:25
  Speaker 16: and that will, you know, dramatically affect my children in
• 42:28
  Speaker 16: the way that we live. And so I fully back
• 42:31
  Speaker 16: him on those issues. But on internal issues, I have
• 42:36
  Speaker 16: quite a few problems, and you know, and this criticism,
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: you know, I feel it's just and I feel it
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: actually defend and protect my community because you know, we
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: live in a very tough neighborhood. Okay, Israel is a
• 42:52
  Speaker 16: tough neighborhood, and we're surrounded by enemy. We need to
• 42:55
  Speaker 16: make sure that we have the men, power, generations to
• 42:59
  Speaker 16: come in order to protect and defend us. It is
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: as simple as that.
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  Speaker 2: Sharon, thanks so much for joining us again. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: That is the former Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel, as
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: you heard there, she's resigned from that position, but maintains
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: her support for Prime Minister Benjamin Nett Yahoo, We've got to.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Take a break.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we're going to duck across to
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: London and catch up with Sophie Ellsworth and she's been
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: catching up with some Scots who are pretty grateful for
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: money from Victorian taxpayers. Also, we're about to hear from
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: the new Prime minister.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Don't go away in the next little while.
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  Speaker 3: Andy Burnham is going to become the UK's seventh Prime
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: minister in a decade. News Corp you're correspondent and Sky
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: News contributor. Of course, Sophiel's Worth is at Westminster waiting
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: for all the action.
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  Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, Sophie.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: We're expecting to hear from Andy Burnham outside Number ten
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: fairly Soon's what's the process, what's the excitement, what's what's
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: the feeling about it all in London?
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  Speaker 19: Well, Chris, great to be with you. Look, it's a
• 44:03
  Speaker 19: massive day here in London. As you can imagine, the
• 44:06
  Speaker 19: UK is about to have its seventh prime minister in
• 44:09
  Speaker 19: ten years. We're about to finally farewell Sakia Stamer. He
• 44:14
  Speaker 19: will meet with the King and basically they'll have a
• 44:17
  Speaker 19: cordial conversation where the King will thank him and he'll
• 44:20
  Speaker 19: move on from there. Then we'll see Andy Burnham travel
• 44:24
  Speaker 19: to Buckingham Palace where he will meet privately with the King,
• 44:27
  Speaker 19: and then he will travel to Downing Street. He's expected
• 44:30
  Speaker 19: to wait out the front of Downing Street.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: He dropped off.
• 44:33
  Speaker 19: At the gates and then do that walk up to
• 44:36
  Speaker 19: the front door and he will address the media shortly
• 44:40
  Speaker 19: after this. There's a lot of procedural process to go
• 44:43
  Speaker 19: through today, Chris, but as you can imagine, it is
• 44:46
  Speaker 19: a massive day here in the UK, and a lot
• 44:48
  Speaker 19: of people are also questioning who is Andy Burnham? Because
• 44:52
  Speaker 19: he got in after you won. That make it feel
• 44:54
  Speaker 19: by election, Chris. But we don't know an awful lot
• 44:57
  Speaker 19: of what he actually is going to bring to the
• 44:59
  Speaker 19: TA because he only got elected last month and now
• 45:03
  Speaker 19: he's got the most powerful job in the country.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: It's great for the King.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: The King's finally got something to do today, accept the
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: resignation and welcome.
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: A new guy.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Later on, I got to say, looking at this beautiful
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: shot you've set up for us at Westminster, with the
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: dry grass and blue sky and people sometimes wandering by
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: in the shorts and T shirts. It could be Australia,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: but you've been up to Glasgow where the Commonwealth Games
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: are about to be held, and up there you found
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of grateful Scots for the nearly two hundred
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: million dollars of Victorian taxpayers money that's helping them fund
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: the Commonwealth Games that Victoria didn't want to have.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Here's some of Sophie's feedback with the Scots.
• 45:45
  Speaker 19: We're giving you nearly two hundred million Australian dollars to
• 45:48
  Speaker 19: hold the Commonwealth Games.
• 45:50
  Speaker 12: What's your thoughts on this?
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: It's actually a little brother cut of pinch that I
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: think a.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Scott's will take any Donetians for whatsoever. We're always looking.
• 46:00
  Speaker 15: For more money.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: We should have had subtitles for that, Sophie. But I
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: think they're pretty happy.
• 46:11
  Speaker 12: Look, Chris, they're absolutely stoked.
• 46:13
  Speaker 19: The Victorian government has signed a check for nearly two
• 46:16
  Speaker 19: hundred million dollars to give to Scotland to hold the
• 46:19
  Speaker 19: Commonwealth Games, which start this Thursday.
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: They're laughing all.
• 46:23
  Speaker 19: The way to the bank because they don't have to
• 46:25
  Speaker 19: do much. Victorians are sitting back at home tonight paying
• 46:30
  Speaker 19: for an event that is seventeen thousand kilometers away across
• 46:33
  Speaker 19: the other side of the world. And Chris It was
• 46:35
  Speaker 19: really interesting being in Glasgow last week. A lot of
• 46:39
  Speaker 19: locals couldn't even tell me when the Games begin. There
• 46:42
  Speaker 19: wasn't a lot of signage and excitement in the air.
• 46:45
  Speaker 19: There wasn't a lot of billboards up or much really
• 46:49
  Speaker 19: promoting the games. I was quite shocked. I'll be there
• 46:52
  Speaker 19: for the next two weeks covering the games and all
• 46:54
  Speaker 19: the issues around it. But look, this is a really
• 46:57
  Speaker 19: sad situation. Jokes aside for victory our in taxpayers who
• 47:01
  Speaker 19: have been left to pick up this bill because the
• 47:04
  Speaker 19: Daniel Landrews government just seemed to alan scrapped it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Absolute shocking. Thanks for joining us, Sophie, Sophie yours with.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Who's going to have a lot of fun up in
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Glasgow over the next couple of weeks. That was great
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: to see the Scott's feedback there. People probably a bit
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: preoccupied with the World Cup over the last few weeks.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I'll focus on the Commonwealth Games from this Friday. Congratulations
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: to Spain of course for bringing home to Bacon when
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: it came to that World Cup final.
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  Speaker 2: This morning.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I want to share some of your feedback from the
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: interview I had last week with Kim Williams.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: The ABC chairman.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: One viewer says Kim is in full denial from the
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: first question.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Stop kidding yourself.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Another says, if you can't recognize a problem, you can't
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: even begin to fix it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: That is spot on, that is the problem.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: You've got to recognize the bias before you can find
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: any way to deal with it. Thanks for watching Stick
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Around because Peter Quidlin is back. She's fired up and
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: raring to go. I'll see you tomorrow.