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Before YouTube - How Allen Funt Created Modern Reality TV · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

0:06
SPEAKER_01: Love seeing the smile on your face, Kelly.
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SPEAKER_02: I love hearing you say hello.
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SPEAKER_02: It makes me uh makes me feel like I'm back home.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, welcome to another episode of Dartnap City.
0:20
SPEAKER_01: This is the podcast about interesting dead people.
0:23
SPEAKER_01: My name is Alex.
0:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm here with my friend Kelly.
0:26
SPEAKER_01: What's going on, Kelly?
0:28
SPEAKER_02: I got to go see a baseball game in uh your town of Houston a couple days ago, and it was a pretty fun experience.
0:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad uh I'm glad you're just dipping in dipping your toe into the sports uh world for a minute.
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SPEAKER_02: I yeah, yeah, I'd like to give it a try.
0:42
SPEAKER_02: My mom's a big baseball fan, and uh it it was a great game because it was back and forth a little bit, and then the other team got way ahead, and then um, as you said before the call, before we started recording, uh I'd never heard the term, but now I know what it means.
0:56
SPEAKER_02: A walk-off homer at the bottom of the night.
0:58
SPEAKER_02: That was pretty exciting.
0:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: Now, do you remember what team they were playing?
1:02
SPEAKER_01: The Tampa Bay Rays.
1:05
SPEAKER_01: You got it.
1:05
SPEAKER_01: You got it.
1:06
SPEAKER_01: Nice job.
1:07
SPEAKER_01: I was paying attention.
1:08
SPEAKER_01: I was paying attention.
1:09
SPEAKER_01: Well, I got worried when you said the other team.
1:12
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't I didn't want to disparage them, but you know, in case they're listening, in case if there's anybody from Tampa Bay listening right now, I want to say your team put up a good fight.
1:20
SPEAKER_01: Junior Camonero, if you're listening, hit us up.
1:25
SPEAKER_02: I you know, my mom just kept on going on about uh a tuma, Azuma, uh Azuka, what's the guy on our team?
1:33
SPEAKER_02: Uh Amusa?
1:35
SPEAKER_02: Our team.
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SPEAKER_02: On the on the Astros.
1:39
SPEAKER_02: I don't know who you're talking about.
1:40
SPEAKER_02: Altuve?
1:41
SPEAKER_02: El Tuve, that's it.
1:43
SPEAKER_02: I knew there was an ooh in there somewhere.
1:45
SPEAKER_02: She just and he had a triple and a double, I think.
1:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, my mom seems to be uh sweet on Al Tuve.
1:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well he's yeah, he's awesome.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: But we digress.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: Someday he'll be someday a long time from now, he'll be uh uh probably after we're gone, he'll be a subject on the show, but not today.
2:03
SPEAKER_02: When Kirby and Tate are running this show, yeah.
2:06
SPEAKER_01: Let me talk to you today about a 20th century.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: I would call him an icon, although he I don't think he's ever gotten his proper due.
2:16
SPEAKER_02: It starts now.
2:18
SPEAKER_01: It starts now.
2:20
SPEAKER_01: I think once people reevaluate this guy, they they'll have more respect, they'll put more respect on his name.
2:26
SPEAKER_01: But you know, kind of in my wheelhouse of 20th century uh influencers.
2:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:33
SPEAKER_02: An influencer before there was an influencer, right?
2:36
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, there were always influencers, right?
2:38
SPEAKER_01: I met a guy this weekend who claimed to be an influencer.
2:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, I met a few people this weekend, last week that claim to be influencers, and I don't think that's something you could I think that's one of those things that somebody else has to say about you.
2:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay, when somebody says I'm somewhat of an influencer, it it rings hollow to me.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, prove it, influence me on something.
3:03
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna love this chicken, it's delicious.
3:06
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like I don't like it when people say they're a people person.
3:11
SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, let me be the judge of that.
3:13
SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
3:14
SPEAKER_02: Or a podcast host, right?
3:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh if someone says they're a podcast host, really?
3:19
SPEAKER_02: Uh all right, let me be the judge of that.
3:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's let's see your bona fides.
3:24
SPEAKER_01: So um, but this guy, I I personally think that he didn't get his due.
3:31
SPEAKER_01: And maybe some people won't think he deserves anything, but we can talk about that.
3:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh, born in 1914 in New York City and died in 1999, which really makes him a 20th century, you know, puts him square in that.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: Didn't didn't dabble in the 21st century at all.
3:49
SPEAKER_01: Died in Pebble Beach, California.
3:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think you'd think of him as a New Yorker through and through, he had a New York kind of a Brooklyn accent.
3:57
SPEAKER_01: I would say he is considered the father of reality television.
4:05
SPEAKER_01: Oh and I could tell I could give you a hint on this guy by just a single word, and you'll probably get it, or at least get the um thing that he's most known for.
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SPEAKER_01: If I say a single word, people our generation would know if you say a single word, then it would it's almost like the start of a sentence that you could complete.
4:29
SPEAKER_01: You ready for that word?
4:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's hear it.
4:32
SPEAKER_01: Smile.
4:35
SPEAKER_01: Smile.
4:37
SPEAKER_01: Not a dentist.
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SPEAKER_01: If I was to say hey, you're on candid camera.
4:43
SPEAKER_01: You got it, buddy.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: You got it.
4:46
SPEAKER_01: Remember the guy's name?
4:48
SPEAKER_02: Uh I do not.
4:50
SPEAKER_01: I remember candid camera for sure.
4:52
SPEAKER_01: His name is Alan Funt.
4:54
SPEAKER_02: Alan Funt, I do know that name.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: That is that is a great one because, first of all, great name, right?
5:01
SPEAKER_02: You don't mean many Funts in the world.
5:03
SPEAKER_01: Especially since he was known for stunts.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
5:07
SPEAKER_02: Pulling stunts with Alan Funts.
5:09
SPEAKER_02: That sounds like a Beastie Boys rhyme.
5:13
SPEAKER_01: Right.
5:13
SPEAKER_01: So like I said, I think if you if you consider how long ago this stuff happened, I think there's no doubt that he would be the father of what we would call reality television.
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SPEAKER_01: The idea of just having normal, regular people kind of be the star of the show.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe it doesn't look like reality television today, but certainly if you trace it all the way back, I don't think it goes much further back than him.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, smile, you're on candid camera.
5:42
SPEAKER_02: That's that's so because because when you said smile, I immediately started thinking of dentists and like toothpaste, and then but yeah, smile, you're on candid camera.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: And I think kids maybe still say that today, still say something about candid camera, but they're not necessarily I don't know.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: Is that still something you hear people say?
6:01
SPEAKER_01: There's things that people, the young people say that I don't even know if they know what they mean.
6:05
SPEAKER_01: Like uh that's what I mean.
6:06
SPEAKER_01: Like the broken record.
6:08
SPEAKER_01: Like, I I don't even know if they know what a broken record is.
6:11
SPEAKER_01: I was uh at a hotel last week with my son, and it had a record player in the hotel, and I I played it for him, and it was the first time he'd ever seen a record player like in action.
6:23
SPEAKER_01: And he was like, How do you do this?
6:25
SPEAKER_01: And I showed him, and I said, Now, now if there's a scratch on this, it will just kind of repeat the same thing over and over.
6:33
SPEAKER_01: And that's where you get the phrase like a broken record.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think they might think it has to do with like a broken record, like a breaking a record, like a breaking a feet, you know, like not a jump or or or uh three-pointers or something, right?
6:48
SPEAKER_01: Not a physical scratch on a on a vinyl album, like a broken record.
6:53
SPEAKER_02: But that would be a compliment if somebody said you sound like a broken record and you meant uh like a you know, some sort of really cool thing you did.
7:02
SPEAKER_02: That's a compliment.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: So that's another one, and then the other one that I wonder if people do, um, that people our age uh were were always doing when we were kids was you're at the pool, right?
7:14
SPEAKER_01: You're at the pool, and you go backwards into the pool.
7:19
SPEAKER_01: What do you say before you do that?
7:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh, uh hey Kool-Aid?
7:23
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
7:24
SPEAKER_01: You put it on.
7:27
SPEAKER_01: No, I know.
7:28
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if nesty exists anymore.
7:30
SPEAKER_02: But I know but that's some great advertising, man.
7:35
SPEAKER_02: It sticks.
7:36
SPEAKER_02: As a matter of fact, somebody uh just just recently we were at dinner with some friends in upstate New York, and Julie, who's one of our big fans and Patreon supporters, said something about Weebles, or maybe it was her husband's.
7:50
SPEAKER_02: Everybody goes, Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.
7:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, and that's the only thing we know about weebles, really.
7:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't think I've had any.
7:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:59
SPEAKER_02: What were their jobs?
8:00
SPEAKER_02: What were their dreams?
8:01
SPEAKER_01: Uh they know what they could do, and they know what they couldn't do.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and wobbling's not really a great thing to be known for.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, they uh I mean, I guess not falling down is a great thing, but if you wobble all the time, one of these days we'll do a dead end on uh weebles, I'm sure.
8:18
SPEAKER_02: I thought about it.
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SPEAKER_01: Not to be confused with Weeblos, which were like a Cubscout.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: We we we Weeblos do fall down and probably don't wobble much.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then there were uh there were those little Fisher Price people too.
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SPEAKER_02: Remember that?
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SPEAKER_01: They were that's who Weebles uh competed with the Fisher Price price, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Because they would fall down.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: Maybe we should have a little fight, a little, a little uh fight between the or a or uh some sort of a comparison.
8:48
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, Alan Funn.
8:49
SPEAKER_02: Let's get back to it.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: Um so I don't really have a lot on his uh early life.
8:55
SPEAKER_01: I don't think it was that interesting or memorable, but I do know that he graduated at 15 because he was academically gifted.
9:03
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
9:04
SPEAKER_01: And because he was too young to go to college on his own at 15, he went to uh the local college.
9:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh he was grew up in Brooklyn.
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SPEAKER_01: He went to Pratt Institute in Brooklyn and studied art.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure if he would have studied art anyways, but it was known for it was a school known for art.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: Later on, he got his bachelor's from Cornell, but he kind of did get his start in in uh in the arts at at a young age.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: And then uh he trained in commercial art and got a job with an ad agency in the art department and eventually moved to the radio department.
9:41
SPEAKER_01: Now back then things were a lot different than they are now in terms of like advertising and and and this is before television, and so um you would have radio shows, but the um these ad agencies wouldn't just make commercials, they would make the whole show.
9:59
SPEAKER_01: They would make the whole radio show, and the radio show would be sponsored by a particular brand, and the ad agency would make the whole thing.
10:07
SPEAKER_01: They would have writers and producers and creatives and media buyers and account executives all in the ad agency, and they would they would produce the whole show rather than the network having writers and producers and all that.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: The writer would the uh the network would just buy it from the ad agency.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, and of course, the ad agency would just this goes back to a phrase, a phrase that uh kids might say that they might not know what it means.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: Brought to you by.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, brought to you by.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: So they would have like the craft, you know, family hour or the you know, whatever Marlborough mystery hour or something, and it would be brought to you by the whole thing.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: Rather than why do I cough so much?
10:51
SPEAKER_02: It's a mystery brought to you by Marboro.
10:54
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they wouldn't have they wouldn't break for commercials, but they would have like commercials embedded into the show, or they would have the characters like you know stop and and it was a very different time.
11:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, so he worked in the radio department and and learned how to make TV, and then he became a writer for a for a show.
11:16
SPEAKER_01: I think it was the first game show.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: Now, again, we're still talking about radio.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard of the show or do you remember the TV version of a show called Truth or Consequences?
11:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
11:26
SPEAKER_01: You do, yeah, yeah.
11:27
SPEAKER_01: I think when we were coming up, Bob Barker was the host.
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SPEAKER_01: In fact, Bob Barker was the host for like 20 years, like from 1956 to 1976, before his um, well, kind of before and then concurrent with um prices right.
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SPEAKER_01: But so they would it was kind of like truth or dare where they would say uh like they would give you a truth first, but they would ask you like an impossible, like a trivia question or like some kind of impossible question, like they'd say, like uh, what did one eye say to the other?
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SPEAKER_01: That'll be the question.
12:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh just between us, something smells.
12:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
12:06
SPEAKER_02: So if you get that question, you have to know dad jokes to be uh dad jokes would be a good skill on this, right?
12:12
SPEAKER_01: And if you get it wrong, then you'd face a consequence.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: The consequences were like, you know, they'd make you wear a silly costume or sing, or they'd do a practical joke on you, or something like that.
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SPEAKER_01: It was one of the first game shows, and it was actually on the first day of commercial TV.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: And do you know what the first day of commercial TV was?
12:31
SPEAKER_01: When what year that would have been?
12:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna guess the early 50s, like 52.
12:36
SPEAKER_01: 1941 was the first day that it actually went on the air.
12:41
SPEAKER_01: Now, no hardly anybody had a TV in 1941, but that's like when it started.
12:46
SPEAKER_01: The thing about Truth or Consequences that I know, the only thing that I really know about it today is there's a town in New Mexico called Truth or Consequences.
12:58
SPEAKER_01: You know how they got that name?
13:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh someone from their town was on the show.
13:03
SPEAKER_01: Close.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: The host of the show back then, it was before Bob Barker.
13:07
SPEAKER_01: He said, Hey everybody, uh, I'll put out a a deal that any town in America that will change their name of their town to our show, uh, I'll do the show from there for a week.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: Hot Springs, New Mexico was like, Yeah, we'll do it.
13:28
SPEAKER_02: Hot Springs, Truth or Consequences, it's a lot more memorable.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Dude, they've been that way for like 80 years now.
13:33
SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, that was Didn't Colbert do the same thing?
13:38
SPEAKER_02: Stephen Colbert.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, like he got someplace maybe in Oklahoma to to name to to rename themselves Colbert.
13:49
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that.
13:50
SPEAKER_02: I think he did.
13:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know that John Oliver did something with uh uh with naming a sanit uh like a water treatment plant after him.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: After John Oliver, huh?
14:01
SPEAKER_01: And then he also did something similar with like a minor league baseball team where he said if you let us name it, but you have to go with whatever we named it.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, there's always been little stunts like that.
14:14
SPEAKER_01: But that town in New Mexico has been truth or consequences for nearly 80 years that used to be hot springs.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: Well, look, Alex, this is perfect.
14:23
SPEAKER_02: Why don't we offer up if somebody will rename their town Dirt Knap City, we will come record there for a week.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: Now it has to be a population of at least uh what's our minimum size?
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SPEAKER_02: Or are we okay with like a population 10?
14:42
SPEAKER_01: I think I'd be better with like a podunk town.
14:45
SPEAKER_01: Don't well I think if you name it podunk, that's even better.
14:51
SPEAKER_02: No, it's not.
14:52
SPEAKER_02: Dirtnap City would be if somebody will name their town dirtknap city, we will give you we will give you a sticker, a t-shirt, and we can talk about a Cadillac.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
15:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we'll do a show there from a week.
15:06
SPEAKER_02: Yes now, every day for a week, or just um like Yeah, I think we should do a live show at the Civic Center if they have one, or the elementary school if they have one, or wherever, at the at their local KFC if they have one.
15:20
SPEAKER_02: We'll do a live broadcast with the audience there, live recording, and we'll take questions from the audience.
15:27
SPEAKER_02: Just rename your town Dirt Knap City.
15:30
SPEAKER_01: This reminds me, I was in Wyoming last week, and I was telling my son about there's a town in Wyoming called Sheridan, Wyoming.
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SPEAKER_01: Does that ring any bells to you?
15:41
SPEAKER_01: Do you know why I would remember that?
15:43
SPEAKER_02: Is that Sheridan from Yellowstone, like the career of Yellowstone?
15:47
SPEAKER_01: No.
15:48
SPEAKER_01: It's uh in 1986, I believe.
15:51
SPEAKER_01: Um MTV had a contest, and it was Win a Date with Prince.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: And uh the and they were promoting his new movie Under the Cherry Moon.
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SPEAKER_01: And the person who won the contest, and MTV was huge in 1986.
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SPEAKER_01: Um the person who won the contest was from Sheridan, Wyoming, and he he did his premiere of his movie at the biggest place in town, which was the Holiday Inn in Sheridan, Wyoming.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: He did the world premiere of Under the Cherry Moon there, had a red carpet, and played a 45-minute set at the ballroom in the Holiday Inn in Sheridan, Wyoming.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: Did you see one of the No, we didn't go through Sheridan, but I was it's one of the only things I know about Wyoming is that, but I was really plugged into that when it all happened.
16:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, I thought it was so cool that Prince was just going in the middle of Wyoming and playing at a holiday, and I thought that was the coolest thing.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: Now, now now you said uh the person that won, and then you said he was it a guy that won this contest.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: No, it was the woman that won the contest.
17:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and I don't know about a date.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: I mean, what um well, knowing Prince, I could have gone any any which way, but um yeah, she probably had a great time.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: Um back to Alan Funt.
17:17
SPEAKER_01: Yes, did you know that during that time when he wrote for Truth or Consequences, he also helped Eleanor Roosevelt with her commercials?
17:25
SPEAKER_01: She would do commercials from time to time.
17:28
SPEAKER_02: No, yeah, another tie-in, another tie-in.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Wow, yeah.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: So he got drafted during World War II and was stationed in Oklahoma with the Army Signal Corps.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: You ever heard of the Army Signal Corps?
17:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were like the guys that did the radios and and uh communications, just anything having to do with communications, including like doing like radio shows for both like for PR kind of uh promoting rip military uh stuff, um, but also you know, entertainment shows and but you're right, they also were per responsible for like radar and telephone communications and all that kind of stuff.
18:08
SPEAKER_01: But but he worked on the PR side and produced like radio programs.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: Um and then in after the war in 1947, um he came up with an idea for a show called Candid Microphone.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh, like Candid Camera.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but this was before like TV was really big.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay, um so in 1947, ABC Radio put on this show called Candid Microphone.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: It only lasted like a year and then it was revived in by CBS Radio in 1950, but very different than camera to camera because candid camera was mostly like sight gags, you know.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: But this was you'd have to do it with um with um with a microphone.
18:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh I have a clip from that because candid camera clips were like I say aren't great for audio, which is our medium of choice.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I have a good clip for you here uh from uh candid microphone.
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SPEAKER_01: Play that clip A.
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SPEAKER_00: The American Broadcasting Company presents the Candid Microphone, the program that brings you the honest reactions of ordinary people, secretly recorded.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: No one ever knows when he's talking into the candid microphone.
19:29
SPEAKER_03: This program's about peace.
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SPEAKER_03: We want to know what they're like.
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SPEAKER_03: But when most people step in front of a microphone, they clean.
19:45
SPEAKER_03: Some get fun, other shells, some should have like plans.
19:53
SPEAKER_03: Find a microphone and record what they say and they sound real again.
19:57
SPEAKER_03: That's what this program wants to hear.
20:00
SPEAKER_03: Ordinary people reacting to all kinds of situations.
20:03
SPEAKER_03: Some funny, some unusual, some just humans.
20:07
SPEAKER_03: But remember, none of the people on this program ever knew they were talking into an extended microphone.
20:30
SPEAKER_03: Silly little tricks like splitting cigarettes, selectible chairs, and knives with hinges in the middle.
20:37
SPEAKER_03: Do they serve any useful purpose in this already slice?
20:42
SPEAKER_03: Because somebody uses them.
20:43
SPEAKER_03: Of course, we'll get some kind of satisfaction out of watching his victim squirm.
20:47
SPEAKER_03: But what about the victim?
20:50
SPEAKER_03: The cannon microphone decided to adult is one of the less injurious to see how the victim reacted.
20:56
SPEAKER_03: We've got a bike to set up a free cover.
21:01
SPEAKER_03: And then with the microphone concealed in a basket of pretzels, we ordered a drink and waited for somebody to come along.
21:07
SPEAKER_03: Pretty soon a lone man sat down beside us.
21:10
SPEAKER_03: He was an immaculate fellow, crisp looking, even on this sticky day.
21:14
SPEAKER_03: Perhaps not the ideal subject for a practical joke, but maybe he would be friendlier than he looked.
21:20
SPEAKER_03: We fingered the exploding cigarette that we were gonna offer him and struck up a conversation that was recorded as follows.
21:30
SPEAKER_04: How about let me buy one for you now?
21:32
SPEAKER_04: All right, fine, I'd like to know.
21:33
SPEAKER_04: You drinking the purpose?
21:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, plain source.
21:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but
23:12
SPEAKER_01: There's suspense, right?
23:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
23:14
SPEAKER_01: There's a little suspense, and I think it goes on from our ears right now, it goes on a little too long, right?
23:21
SPEAKER_01: But that's kind of the that's kind of what, you know, imagine this new medium.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: I was riveted, actually.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was kind of cool.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: They're trying to take up time.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: Well, just the way they talk, right?
23:32
SPEAKER_02: People back then had a cadence to them.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: They kind of talked a little more like that.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: What's a big idea?
23:38
SPEAKER_02: What's he trying to do?
23:40
SPEAKER_02: Cigarette.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: What's the yeah, yeah, um smart aleck?
23:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: Why?
23:49
SPEAKER_01: But I I that scanned a microphone in a nutshell, right?
23:52
SPEAKER_02: Um that had to be Alan Funt then.
23:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it was.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: He he just sounded so young compared to the kind of the old man that we we knew later.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: So in 1948, he made a series of 10-minute films for Columbia Pictures.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: Um and they played those in theaters.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: They were pranks.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: He called them candid microphone, but it was like on video, so I it was really camera to camera.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: Um and uh candid camera actually premiered on TV then in 1948, and it was on ABC, NBC, and CBS until 1953 in 1960.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: Um CBS put it on their nighttime lineup.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: It was the lead-in for the game show What's My Line?
24:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, but the producers uh back then, they now the networks had producers, they kept looking for a host that wasn't Alan Funt.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: They didn't think that he could carry a show like that, even though he did and was, and people liked the show.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: They were always looking for someone else.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: Like they would give him credit for coming up with the gags, but then they would always find like people that were more charismatic or better looking or women um that would host the show, and that never seemed to work.
25:16
SPEAKER_01: Buster Keaton was a frequent guest on the show, he loved it, and he actually came up with the tagline smile, you're on candid camera.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: He would look right in the camera and say that, um, which is pretty cool because he was a silent film guy.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was gonna say it didn't Buster Keaton store in silent films, but yeah.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: So it was canceled in 1967, but then ran as a daytime show from 68, 66 to 68.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, of course, later on we knew it.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: Um later, it can't it always one of these things that keeps coming back.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: But one of those when when it was on in the 60s, um, I was looking at some of the gags on YouTube that people would do.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: And again, there's nothing really that would be great for for our audio here to play, but I would tell you about some of the gags that you can look up and and watch for yourself.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: One of the ones that I thought was gonna be kind of cringy because it I I assumed it wouldn't have dated well, but it kind of surprisingly is kind of cool is that they had a gag where it was 1963, and they were liter uh they were they were in an airport, and um this woman came and she asked the uh for what the weather was like or what the time you know she asked the time and then the weather, and then the bartender or whatever, they were at a bar, and the bartender said, you know, uh he says have a good flight.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: And he goes, and he said something about, you know, that that woman, that's your pilot.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: And of course that was a gag because there were no women pilots in 1963, and they were getting people's reaction to the pilot being a woman.
26:56
SPEAKER_01: But surprisingly, like the reactions were kind of like, oh, cool.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, that I've never seen a woman pilot before.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, but they weren't like, I'm not getting on that plane.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: Now, maybe they were and they didn't show those.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, but I thought it was kind of cool and kind of like push the envelope of okay, well, what would be that big of a deal about having a a woman pilot?
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Now it was played for laughs, but it wasn't like when you watch it today, it was it isn't like insulting.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: It's actually kind of I don't know, it's kind of instructive of what things were like, you know, 60 years ago.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, there's another one where uh uh a woman pulls into a service station.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: Remember service stations, right?
27:40
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: Uh complaining that her car won't start and they open the hood and there's no engine in the car.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: Harmless things, but funny.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: There's one where um they're at a diner, and that uh every time uh the food would arrive, somebody would like turn around and a hand would reach in and steal the bite of their food, you know.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: That's a that's a good one.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: Um there's one where uh it was a melting spoon, so they'd put the spoon in the soup and it would melt, you know.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: And then the a real famous one that you may have learned like in your psychology classes in college, there's one that they do where uh um it turns out it's about conformity, but the elevator door opens and everybody in the elevator is faced towards the back of the wall.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: And uh so they're all like confederates, they all know what's going on, and then the the person that gets in and sees how they turn.
28:37
SPEAKER_02: Does anybody stay forward or does everybody turn backwards?
28:40
SPEAKER_01: Not not no, everyone ends up eventually like turning backwards, too.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: That's a cool lesson in conformity.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: Actually, a lot of social psychology classes tend to talk a lot about some of these gags that he he did.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: He didn't really play them as like social experiments, but he did talk about how you know his things he didn't like the word pranks.
29:02
SPEAKER_01: He said that he was just observing you know human behavior.
29:07
SPEAKER_01: Well, in 1970, he decided that he was gonna uh try to not be constrained by uh the rules of network TV, and he came up with a movie called What Do You Say to a Naked Lady?
29:23
SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard of this movie?
29:25
SPEAKER_01: No, no, well, as you can imagine, it was kind of candid camera style, but it would be a lot of naked ladies in the in involved, where you know, they would just like the elevator would open.
29:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're gonna come in one week, right?
29:41
SPEAKER_01: The elevator would open and there'd be like be a naked lady, or lady would come in and you know, whatever.
29:46
SPEAKER_02: Um but she would just pretend to be just it was just a normal situation.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: The Motion Picture Association did not like how brazen he was with this, and they slapped an X rating on this movie.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: Now, it is not by any accounts any kind of like pornographic movie.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, it would be, you know, probably PG 13 if you saw it today, right?
30:09
SPEAKER_01: Um, but that got him basically blackballed from TV until 1974, where they started resuming the show again.
30:19
SPEAKER_01: But that howdy, what do you say to Nick Lady kind of derailed his career for a little while?
30:23
SPEAKER_01: But I don't think he cared.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: I think he was kind of pushing the envelope and yeah, um, yeah, he he came up with another movie called Money Talks, which is more like about how people are influenced by money, um, but all the candid camera style.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: In 1982, he came up with a something, a TV version of what do you say to a naked lady that was more for like uh cable TV, um, called Candid Candid Camera.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that one?
30:54
SPEAKER_02: No, no, I've never heard of that one.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: Like a little bit of cable.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's true.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: We didn't have cable, so uh sorry.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't have sorry about that.
31:01
SPEAKER_01: Sorry to bring that up.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, he donated all of his recordings, all of the the video to Cornell University.
31:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, he's established a scholarship at Syracuse University for uh black students who are on the producing and creative side of television, and he started a foundation that uses laughter therapy called Laughter Therapy Foundation, where you notice the people who are sick and terminally ill, that just by watching like candid camera reruns, they start to laugh and smile and feel better.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: And he noticed that pretty early on and has sunk a lot of uh money into this Laughter Therapy Foundation.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: You can't go wrong with that, right?
31:49
SPEAKER_01: Laughter's the best medicine.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: So in 1969, this this, you know, we talk about these people having interesting lives.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: Here's something that um I thought was pretty interesting, and you can't really talk about this guy's life without talking about this incident.
32:05
SPEAKER_01: 1969, he and his wife and two kids were on a flight from Newark to Miami, and the flight was hijacked.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember back when play people used to hijack planes all the time?
32:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:19
SPEAKER_02: Take me to Brazil.
32:20
SPEAKER_02: I want$100,000 on the runway and land this plane in Brazil.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: And well, a lot of times it was Cuba.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: A lot of times it was Cuba.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: You couldn't take commercial flights to Cuba back then.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: And so the hijackers demanded passage to Cuba, and uh it was pretty scary, but like I said, it kind of happened uh a lot back then.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: Not a lot, but it was, I mean, it was an event and it was scary, and they all, you know, they basically take these people hostage.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing as you can imagine, you see Alan Funt on the plane, right?
32:54
SPEAKER_01: You're uh just a regular passenger.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: You see Alan Funt on the plane, then all of a sudden now these guys go on the plane and they demand, they say, This plane's going to Cuba, and everyone started laughing.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: They're like, Oh, Funt, we're on to you, man.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: We saw you.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: And it was completely real.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: It was completely real.
33:12
SPEAKER_01: All these people actually were in danger, but they weren't scared because they thought it was a prank.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: Isn't that crazy?
33:19
SPEAKER_01: Like it's a candid camera sketch in reverse.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: Usually the audience thinks something is fake is real, and here they thought something real was fake.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: Isn't that crazy?
33:30
SPEAKER_02: Wow, yeah, yeah, that is.
33:31
SPEAKER_02: So that actually really happened.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: It really happened.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: It land finally landed in Cuba, and then once they got to Cuba, people were like, Oh, there he's taking this a little too far.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: Maybe this is real.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: The hostages were all released after 11 hours.
33:45
SPEAKER_01: I say hostages, they were just passengers on a plane, but I mean they were at gunpoint, they were actually in danger, but didn't think it, didn't know it.
33:53
SPEAKER_01: The only one that was really scared was Alan Funt because he knew it was real.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
33:58
SPEAKER_01: But that kind of shows you, like, I don't know, that's so meta, right?
34:02
SPEAKER_01: That's so like just a commentary of what we've done to ourselves.
34:07
SPEAKER_02: And and in today's world, it's even more complicated, right?
34:11
SPEAKER_02: Because back then when something like that would happen, it was you know, a camera crew was an unusual thing.
34:17
SPEAKER_02: Today you see people with cameras all over the place.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: Right, but you couldn't see the camera.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: It was hidden usually on the on these things.
34:24
SPEAKER_02: True, true.
34:24
SPEAKER_02: No, but I guess what I'm saying is is um, you know, jackass and these stunt shows and uh bore Borat, you know, and things like that, you kind of you you think there's more likelihood that you're getting pranked today than back then.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Back then it was one show that did it, one show that was known for doing it.
34:43
SPEAKER_02: Today there's a thousand, a thousand things that make money and and entertain people by pranking them.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's a good point, and not just for prank shows, but like, you know, I I think it's impossible to watch commercials from back then without without the context of how new commercials were and how new TV was and as a medium, and people just seemed they were they weren't more naive back then.
35:08
SPEAKER_01: They were and then our generation, I think, necessarily became so jaded and cynical because we'd kind of seen it all, right?
35:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, suspicious.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: And if somebody walks on your door trying to sell you aluminum siding, you're on to them, right?
35:23
SPEAKER_01: But in 1951, you'd think they were just a nice person trying to, you know, make a sale or whatever, and now we know all the tricks.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it's it's it's interesting.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm sure that these candid shows were um, you know, I watched a I watched one where um they put up a sign, uh, it was on the Delaware Pennsylvania border, I think.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: And they put up a sign that said, Delaware closed.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: And these people would would come up to it and they'd you know, this guy dressed like a state trooper, which is probably illegal now, would say, I'm sorry, sorry, you can't go past here, Delaware's closed.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: And they're like, What, the whole state's closed?
36:05
SPEAKER_01: And uh and then finally this woman's go, Well, is New Jersey closed?
36:10
SPEAKER_01: And he goes, No, ma'am, New Jersey's not closed.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: And she goes, Well, I'll just go to New Jersey then.
36:15
SPEAKER_01: And the guy goes, Well, the problem is if you're in New Jersey, you won't be on Candid Camera.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: And she goes, Candid Camera?
36:22
SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm on Candy Camera.
36:24
SPEAKER_01: You know, once they're onto it, they're excited about it.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: That's their 15 minutes of fame.
36:31
SPEAKER_01: So his son, Peter Funt, you remember Peter Funt?
36:35
SPEAKER_01: I do not.
36:36
SPEAKER_01: He kind of took over.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: Uh, he he first appeared on Candid Camera as a three-year-old, uh, shining shoes.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, joined Alan as the co-host in 1987, took over in 1993 after Alan Funt had a stroke, and then there's these basically these big reincarnations of the show every few years, like it was on from 1996 to 2000 on CBS, and then on a network called PAX from 2001 to 2004, and then TV Land had a version in 2014.
37:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think this is the kind of thing that people keep wanting to see.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: Is it still called Canon Camera in all the situations?
37:14
SPEAKER_02: Like, is it still his ID, like his original idea?
37:19
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, yes, yeah, he's it's still his idea.
37:23
SPEAKER_01: Fox tried to come up with a version in I I forget what year this was.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: It was like 2005, maybe.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: And Peter Funt was watching this show.
37:34
SPEAKER_01: It was obviously a ripoff of Canon Camera.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, really, you wonder like how much of the IP do they really own?
37:40
SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah, it's yeah, it's it's not that original of an idea.
37:43
SPEAKER_02: It was at the time, but it's like kind of yeah, it's it's like, okay, we're in a show about breathing.
37:49
SPEAKER_02: Nobody's allowed to breathe anymore to be on the IP on breathing.
37:52
SPEAKER_01: So Peter Funt's watching the show, and coincidentally, like four of his college buddies are on the show, like he recognizes them.
38:01
SPEAKER_01: And he the sh turns out the show it wasn't really unsuspecting people, it was people acting like they were unsuspecting people, which is the laziest version of this, because you really can just do the show.
38:14
SPEAKER_01: Why would you have to pretend so they sued?
38:18
SPEAKER_01: I think he was just insulted that like it was obvious that it was a fake, and these were like college friends of his, and it would be kind of coincidental, they would all happen to be in this, they were actors too, you know.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: And so Candid Cameras or the Font Estate or whatever sued Fox and won a bunch of money on this a fake show.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: And I don't think anyone's really tried that actual version of Candid Camera.
38:43
SPEAKER_01: Now, I think when we talk about his legacy, there's kind of three buckets that I'd put those in.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: There's the head and camera shows, and I think you'd put punked, remember punked?
38:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:55
SPEAKER_01: So Punk's twist on that, that was an MTV show, and Punk's twist was it was celebrities getting punked.
39:02
SPEAKER_02: Ah, okay.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: So the idea there is, and they were kind of being humiliated, I think.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: You know, Candy Cameron never tried to humiliate the the unsuspecting people, it was just having a good time with them.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: Um, but unpunked, I think they really were trying to make take these people down a peg, you know, make them make them look a little not so invincible, you know.
39:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
39:25
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, you you Justin Timberlake, you know, I think you'd remember it's like they pull him over from the UI, you know, and they make him walk the line.
39:34
SPEAKER_01: I think they like took his car, like towed his car, and like he came out and threw a fit and it didn't look make him look great, you know.
39:43
SPEAKER_01: And um, but you know, you're taking him down a peg.
39:46
SPEAKER_01: And I think nobody has a problem with that with celebrities.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: People do have a problem humiliating just regular folks.
39:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh Impractical Jokers is a show that's on now that kind of does the same thing with kind of a hidden camera.
39:59
SPEAKER_02: Somebody talking, somebody talking into the ear of somebody, right?
40:02
SPEAKER_02: Now tell them that blah blah blah and do this, right?
40:05
SPEAKER_01: I've never actually seen that show, but I've I've seen clips of it.
40:09
SPEAKER_02: I you know, I kind of hate that stuff.
40:11
SPEAKER_02: Like that stuff, I am not good with those uncomfortable interactions.
40:15
SPEAKER_02: Like it just it just makes me want to crawl under a rock.
40:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:19
SPEAKER_01: No, there's a show that's not played for laughs on ABC called What Would You Do?
40:24
SPEAKER_01: I think I've heard you reference that show before, where they put people in a situation like, you know, they'll overhear something like racist or something.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: And you wonder what what they would do.
40:34
SPEAKER_02: Well, this is this is a lot like um, I don't know that show, but this sounds a lot like that court show um where where the guy was a juror and didn't didn't know that he was yeah, jury duty, and then the follow-on on that.
40:47
SPEAKER_02: Um it's like this one guy, everybody else is an actor, but every but this one guy is the person to figure out what they would do.
40:54
SPEAKER_02: Are they a good person?
40:55
SPEAKER_02: Are they gonna actually you know take advantage of this other person because they can kind of thing, right?
41:02
SPEAKER_01: Then I think the next legacy would be not so much hidden cameras, but the social experiments, like what would you do?
41:10
SPEAKER_01: And actually, the one that does a lot of that right now is Mr.
41:13
SPEAKER_01: Beast, right?
41:15
SPEAKER_01: Uh Mr.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: Beast comes up with these, you know, really elaborate stunts, you know, costing so much money a lot of times that nobody could do but him.
41:25
SPEAKER_01: And these are sometimes 20, 30, 40 minute shows that are pretty compelling, but a lot of times they were not necessarily hidden camera, but kind of what would you do in this situation, or yeah, you know, have a hundred people locked in a grocery store, and then whoever can get out wins a million dollars or whatever, you know, and those kind of things I find pretty still pretty compelling, even though we've kind of seen it all.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: And then the third bucket, I think, is kind of what you were alluding to before is the cringe aspect of it all, right?
41:59
SPEAKER_01: Some people are even listening to somebody with an exploding cigarette would be uncomfortable with that, right?
42:05
SPEAKER_01: And this would be your shows like Jackass or Borat, like you said.
42:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh Eric Andre, you familiar with him?
42:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
42:14
SPEAKER_01: And he had a movie called Bad Trip, where it was a whole movie about, you know, they do crazy things and then watch people's reactions to it.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: I think Tom Green back in the day used to do this kind of thing.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: And then the king of this all to me is one of my favorites, is Nathan Fielder.
42:32
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't sound like you really get into this kind of stuff, but I love I love this kind of cringe uh humor.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: I think it's really funny.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: I don't even know who Nathan Fielder is.
42:41
SPEAKER_01: I've never seen him.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: You probably wouldn't like it based on what you've said today, how it makes you uncomfortable.
42:46
SPEAKER_01: And of course, there's a million YouTube innovators imitators that do kind of a bad job of this stuff, right?
42:52
SPEAKER_02: Right.
42:53
SPEAKER_02: They claim to be influencers.
42:55
unknown: Yeah.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, he like I said, he wasn't interested in humiliating people.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: He thought that if the audience was laughing at the victim instead of with them, that something had gone wrong.
43:08
SPEAKER_01: Like I said, he hated the word prank.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: To his mind, these were social observations, and the comedy was the byproduct, not laughing at someone's um expense.
43:20
SPEAKER_01: And some of these other people that we've talked about, like you know, Sasha Barrett Cohen has a different goal.
43:26
SPEAKER_01: His goal is to like reveal hypocrisy in the world or take down, you know, punct.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: Punked was like, let's, you know, make a celebrity feel like their world is falling apart and then jump out and say, gotcha, you know, and uh Eric Andres whole thing is like let's see what happens when society breaks down.
43:44
SPEAKER_01: They'll have these elaborate, elaborate stunts that um and see people's reaction to just the craziest stuff.
43:52
SPEAKER_01: But back in order to, you know, in order to run, we have to walk.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: And in order to get to those things, we have to do exploding cigarettes on on audio, right?
44:01
SPEAKER_01: Hey, what's a big idea?
44:04
SPEAKER_01: So Alan Funt never won an Emmy, never won a Golden Globe, does not have his um is not on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
44:16
SPEAKER_01: Um all we have is his legacy which I think you really can't write the story of television these days without talking a lot about reality TV.
44:27
SPEAKER_01: And this guy died in 1999 right when all that stuff was starting but I think we really have to kind of call him the father of this stuff.
44:36
SPEAKER_01: What do you what do you think about this?
44:38
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
44:39
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
44:39
SPEAKER_02: And you know he's a name that I had heard of.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: I did know he was once you said it I knew he was the host of Candid Camera, but I couldn't have named him as that.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: But um it it's it's weird because he is maybe a bit of an unsung hero.
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SPEAKER_02: You can ask kids today if they've heard of Candid Camera.
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SPEAKER_02: They might not know what it is as we were talking about the phrase but Alan Funt most people younger people wouldn't have heard of it but if you said that was the original Tom Green or that was the original uh Sasha Baron Cohen or the jackass then people would say oh I get it.
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SPEAKER_02: So yeah I think you're right.
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SPEAKER_02: I think he was an innovator and I I didn't know the the part that you said about him uh wanting to not laugh at people but with people.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's an easy thing to say but if you actually practice that it's a really good thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And who knows we haven't seen all the outtakes and maybe occasionally but just the fact that we didn't see those meant that if it ever did cross the line that ended up on the cutting room floor, right?
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SPEAKER_01: If that guy actually had put his eye out with the uh cigarette they wouldn't have shown it well it was on microphone but yeah yeah yeah you wouldn't have heard it well let's end this with uh the song from the theme song from uh What do you say to a naked lady it can't get it doesn't get any more nineteen seventy um movie soundtrack than this let's let's hear uh walk a walka walka tick a dickka wow no just uh just uh it's a it's an it's a great little uh ditty what do you say to a naked lady one that you barely know oh oh oh what do you say to a naked lady do you just say hello oh oh oh do you say hi how nice to see you Ben Hi and don't I know you then hi say haven't we met before Or do you look the other way look away Pretending she's not really there And when she passes you by Do you turn around and stand What do you say to a naked lady What do you say to a naked lady something What do you say on Sunday What do you say look away Pretending she's not better than look away and when she passes you pass away Do you turn around and stand What do you say to a naked lady