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  Speaker 1: The radical.
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  Speaker 2: Fundamental principles of freedom.
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  Speaker 3: Rational self-interest. And individual rights.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Yaron Brook Show.
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  Speaker 3: Alright everybody, welcome to Yaron Brook Show on this Saturday,
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  Speaker 3: October 3rd. I hope everybody's having a great weekend. Today's
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  Speaker 3: our AMA, so we've got a panel. We've got Adam
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  Speaker 3: and Amlan. I'm not sure where everybody else is. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: they'll come in later. But, yeah, if you guys are
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  Speaker 3: on there and haven't yet joined the panel, what do
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  Speaker 3: you call it? Yeah, click on that Zoom link. All right,
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  Speaker 3: so we're going to take questions from the panel. We'll
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  Speaker 3: also take questions, of course, in the Super Chat. So
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  Speaker 3: both of those are available. And, yeah, we'll start with Adam.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks. The last time.
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  Speaker 4: When I asked about– public opinion in Poland being more
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  Speaker 4: favorable toward free markets and economic freedoms than anywhere else.
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  Speaker 2: In the world.
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  Speaker 4: We essentially said, well, they still remember communism, so we
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  Speaker 4: can depend on that.
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  Speaker 1: I actually looked at the data.
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  Speaker 4: And the other ex-communist countries are all over the place.
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  Speaker 4: Poland just stands out.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the only.
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  Speaker 4: Country in the survey. Of course, there are many countries
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  Speaker 4: in which such surveys cannot be done. But it was
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  Speaker 4: done in 34 countries. And Poland is the only one
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  Speaker 4: with better public opinion on free markets and economic freedom
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  Speaker 4: than the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 4: So I do have some alternative explanations, but they will require.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of articles.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to send you the URLs by email and
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  Speaker 4: maybe we'll discuss that at the next AMA.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, yep. Sounds good. I mean, uh, explanations are good. I, uh, I,
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  Speaker 3: I generally have had positive experiences in Poland. There is
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  Speaker 3: an active free market libertarian movement in Poland, uh, with
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  Speaker 3: chapters at the universities all over the place. Um, I'll
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  Speaker 3: also note that most of them are very Catholic. So
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  Speaker 3: if we don't believe Catholicism is really compatible with capitalism,
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  Speaker 3: will it last is a question. I have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of anarchists in Poland. So the libertarian movement there is
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  Speaker 3: quite dominated by the anarchist element within the libertarian movement.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean... They seem to have– they seem
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  Speaker 3: to be benefiting from relative free markets, although they– everybody
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  Speaker 3: I talk to in Poland says politically all the liberalization,
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  Speaker 3: the big liberalization happened in the 90s and early 2000s
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  Speaker 3: and very little in terms of actual liberalization has happened
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  Speaker 3: since then. I don't know if that's true. I haven't
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  Speaker 3: looked into it, but that's what they tell me. And–
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  Speaker 3: But the Polish economy is doing fantastic, and I think
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  Speaker 3: people attributed it to those liberalization moves, and they have
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  Speaker 3: a very positive view. I'm curious what the Czech Republic has,
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  Speaker 3: because the Czech Republic also has a fairly free market
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  Speaker 3: political system.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, the Czech Republic is among the top seven.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 4: I do have two things about what you said. Number one,
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  Speaker 4: it's true that the official social teachings of the Roman
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  Speaker 4: Catholic Church deprecate capitalism. So if the questions are asked
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  Speaker 4: with the word capitalism in them, the more literal Roman
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  Speaker 4: Catholics will say no. And one of the articles that
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to forward you the links to actually did
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  Speaker 4: the experiment asking the question with and without mentioning capitalism explicitly. However,
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  Speaker 4: they don't say exactly what they mean by capitalism. And
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  Speaker 4: for a long time, I've seen an active international organization
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  Speaker 4: of Catholic individuals, the Acton, A-C-T-O-N.
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  Speaker 3: I know the Acton people, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so that doesn't really exclude anything. But again, I'd
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  Speaker 4: like to come back to this at greater length later.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: For the moment, I have another question that you just
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  Speaker 4: might happen to know the answer to. Why did Ukraine
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  Speaker 4: actually transfer their nuclear weapons to Russia without waiting for
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  Speaker 4: the U S Senate to ratify the Budapest memorandum. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: if it's not ratified by the Senate, it's not valid.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't think they, I don't think they
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  Speaker 3: passed on the nuclear weapons primarily just because they got the, um, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the commitment from the United States. It But I think
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  Speaker 3: they didn't want to bother with it. It's a poor country.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't have the resources, I think, to maintain the
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  Speaker 3: nuclear weapons. Who knows what condition they were in to
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  Speaker 3: begin with. And my guess is they felt great relief
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  Speaker 3: in getting rid of them. I don't think they projected
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  Speaker 3: forward in terms of them wanting to be independent and
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  Speaker 3: Russia not allowing it. I don't think they thought that
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  Speaker 3: far ahead. It was also a period in which there
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  Speaker 3: was a lot of belief that the entire Eastern Bloc,
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  Speaker 3: including Russia, would liberalize significantly, and therefore Russia would not
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  Speaker 3: be a threat to anybody. I think they were naive,
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  Speaker 3: and they also believed the United States, they believed the
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  Speaker 3: Senate would ratify it, because that's what the administration told them.
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  Speaker 3: And they wanted the weapons off their hands. They thought
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  Speaker 3: it would be more of a burden than an asset.
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  Speaker 3: That would be my guess. Good.
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  Speaker 4: I have another question that I think Amlan also has questions.
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  Speaker 1: So it's wait till my next turn.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds good.
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  Speaker 2: Amlan. Hi, how are you Ron? It's a much more
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  Speaker 2: lower stakes question than what Adam was asking. But with
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  Speaker 2: all the brouhaha going on about daylight savings time and
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  Speaker 2: not daylight savings time and all this nonsense, Why not
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  Speaker 2: just adopt the approach that aviation and I think the
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  Speaker 2: maritime industry uses too, which is just use UTC time.
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  Speaker 2: And then in every location, businesses can adapt to whatever
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  Speaker 2: they want to have. If they say, you know, our
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  Speaker 2: working hours are 1400 to 1200 UTC, then so be it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why does this have to be? dictated by
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  Speaker 2: the bloody government and all this?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't. I mean, it was dictated by the
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  Speaker 3: bloody government because the government took it over and decided
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  Speaker 3: that it was good for us to have an extra
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  Speaker 3: hour of sunshine in the morning or in the evening
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. And they paternalistically dictated to all of us. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the whole idea of time zones was created
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  Speaker 3: by the railroads. Right. You know, because they needed to
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  Speaker 3: have a timetable and they needed everybody to be on
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  Speaker 3: the same page. And there was a lot of variation
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  Speaker 3: across states and across regions within states. And as always,
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  Speaker 3: the government stepped in to try to bring uniformity and
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  Speaker 3: one standard to everybody. And it's good for us, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to have standards is good for us. And we don't
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  Speaker 3: know what's good for us independent of that.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: It's just government paternalism. It's nothing more than that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, UTC solves– it still solves that problem because
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  Speaker 2: it still gives you a time. Like I said, the
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  Speaker 2: entire– Yeah, but you'd.
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  Speaker 3: Have to do the calculation about where you are relative
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  Speaker 3: to UTC. And so you'd have to do some addition
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  Speaker 3: and subtraction, which is hard for people. And again, the
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  Speaker 3: government is saving us from that. I mean, there are
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  Speaker 3: a million solutions to this without the government actually telling
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  Speaker 3: us what time zone to use. Yeah. But, but yes,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's, it's, it's typical government paternalism.
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  Speaker 2: So I just related to that really quickly then. So
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  Speaker 2: let's say, I mean, I think you mentioned this, maybe
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  Speaker 2: it was a question actually I might've asked a little
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  Speaker 2: while ago that, you know, like there's, there's standards, like,
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  Speaker 2: like even if you say that language is a standard
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  Speaker 2: for law. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like at some level, there's like a fundamental foundational standard
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  Speaker 2: that that you say, OK, this word means this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And in law, this word means this and therefore something.
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  Speaker 2: So is there other things like weights and measures and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense that you would want to
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  Speaker 2: have some of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Government perhaps has some role in that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think having a weights and
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  Speaker 3: measures rule. kind of government entity that basically says these
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  Speaker 3: are the standards. They never have to do anything after that.
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  Speaker 3: But maybe there's new stuff that comes about where you
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  Speaker 3: need a standard. But then if you want to contract
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  Speaker 3: independently using a different standard, so be it. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they could say, you know, Washington, D.C. is on this
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  Speaker 3: time zone and everybody else adjust, right? Adapt, right? But
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  Speaker 3: there's no There's no need beyond that. You know, the gold,
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  Speaker 3: at some point they needed a link. If they were
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  Speaker 3: going to accept gold, they needed to link the dollar
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  Speaker 3: to a weight of gold. They did that. That was
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  Speaker 3: part of the weights and measurements. But then it's done.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have to do anything after that. So you
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  Speaker 3: need some standards or there's a huge advantage in having
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  Speaker 3: some standards and there's no reason for the government not
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  Speaker 3: to codify those.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Great.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Catherine, you got a question?
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: So I'd actually emailed you about this because it's personal
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  Speaker 5: to me, but also it's a very national debate right
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  Speaker 5: now in Congress. So have you heard of this company?
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  Speaker 5: It's called Flock Safety.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: I hate the guy that started it. He went to
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  Speaker 5: college with me. He's just like, it's like a personal thing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I don't, I never liked him. He's just not a
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  Speaker 5: good guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway. Okay. So basically, you know, the business model
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  Speaker 5: is they sell these like $ 3, 000 cameras, like very expensive camera.
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  Speaker 5: And then they put these cameras up. It's like a
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  Speaker 5: surveillance company. And then they sell your, they scan you
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  Speaker 5: and they scan your license plate and they sell that
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  Speaker 5: data to the police.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: And so I have a good friend who's like works
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  Speaker 5: as a lawyer and he's like saying it violates our
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  Speaker 5: fourth amendment rights. And there's people on like both sides
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  Speaker 5: of it. Like, again, I personally think Garrett's the worst
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  Speaker 5: person ever. So it's like personal, but I also think
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  Speaker 5: it's just an interesting debate because I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 5: just going to, so like in Buckhead, which is like
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  Speaker 5: an area of Atlanta I grew up in. So Atlanta
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  Speaker 5: is now like the most surveilled city in the U
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  Speaker 5: S but they're like rolling these cameras out all over
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  Speaker 5: the country. And I feel like, there's like an undercurrent
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  Speaker 5: of racism to it in like the wealthy neighborhoods where
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  Speaker 5: they're just kind of like, we want to like watch people.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway, I guess the argument is that the government
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  Speaker 5: doesn't have a right to know where you are at
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  Speaker 5: all the times, even though it would make their jobs
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  Speaker 5: easier to like, quote unquote, fight crime.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's right. So the question is, the question
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  Speaker 3: is what happens to data? So let's see their cameras
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  Speaker 3: and their filming. We already have cameras, aside from Flock,
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  Speaker 3: all over the place, but nobody has access to those
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  Speaker 3: cameras unless a crime has been committed and then the
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  Speaker 3: police can come in and they can go to your
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  Speaker 3: gas station and get the footage.
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  Speaker 5: And you have to follow the protocol.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have to follow the protocol. And I
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  Speaker 3: think exactly the same thing should happen with Flock.
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  Speaker 2: So....
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  Speaker 3: You know, the cameras will have the potential to reduce crime,
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  Speaker 3: but they cannot be providing information to the government or
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  Speaker 3: to anybody else willy-nilly. They have to only be able
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  Speaker 3: to provide that information.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed. But they are providing it willy-nilly is the point.
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  Speaker 5: Is that like they're putting them up wherever, they're selling
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  Speaker 5: the data to the police, and And it's basically we're
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  Speaker 5: becoming like a surveillance city and like it's not– I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I think they need to follow the Fourth Amendment and
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  Speaker 5: there's a procedure to follow in this country. Like there's
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  Speaker 5: not in like Shanghai or like other countries. But in America,
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  Speaker 5: you can't just like sell people's personal data like that.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's right. And that's absolutely right. So they have
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  Speaker 3: to– they should have to follow the procedure. And if
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  Speaker 3: they don't, then they should not be cameras.
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  Speaker 5: It's before Congress right now, and it's really bipartisan. Like
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  Speaker 5: people on the other side, it's not really like a
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  Speaker 5: partisan issue. It's just a– I don't know. Anyway, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think people are very upset about this.
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  Speaker 3: It's made the news. And the real– you know, they
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  Speaker 3: can't put the cameras up anyway because they have to
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  Speaker 3: get permission, right? It's private property. And my guess is
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  Speaker 3: the police– hire them to put the cameras up first.
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  Speaker 3: And then the question is, what procedures are to keep
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  Speaker 3: that information private and to keep it only usable when
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  Speaker 3: a crime is committed? And if you can't have those procedures,
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  Speaker 3: then they shouldn't have the cameras.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I agree. And so it sparked a big national
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  Speaker 5: debate because two weeks ago, a woman was arrested and
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  Speaker 5: spent two weeks in jail. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 5: saw it because they... The police were like, we have
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  Speaker 5: your car on camera. Like, we have all this data,
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  Speaker 5: these cameras. And they were wrong. And she spent two
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  Speaker 5: weeks in jail. And now that she's, like, going to–
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  Speaker 5: it's like a massive lawsuit. Good. Like, good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, good she's suing them. But, yeah, I mean, look,
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  Speaker 3: there's always going to be abuse. The question is, is
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  Speaker 3: there systematic abuse? Is the technology such that it has
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  Speaker 3: to be abused? If there's a way to safeguard it
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  Speaker 3: from abuse, then I think it's fine. If there's no
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  Speaker 3: way to safeguard it from abuse, then– Yeah, it's not fine.
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  Speaker 3: We should we should get rid of it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And people I like this. I mean, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: like a vigilante justice, but people are smashing all the
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  Speaker 5: cameras and they're putting foam all over the cameras. Like
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  Speaker 5: that kind of makes me proud because I'm like, you
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  Speaker 5: know what? Like, I really think they're absolutely not following any.
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  Speaker 5: They're just trying to make money. It's a four.
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  Speaker 3: There are lots of stories of police abusing abusing these.
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  Speaker 3: So so there's there's reason to believe they're not. And
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  Speaker 3: maybe what Congress has to do is pass a bill
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  Speaker 3: that clarifies exactly how they need to follow procedures to
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  Speaker 3: protect our privacy. You know, London has cameras everywhere. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if it's abused over there or not, but
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  Speaker 3: they have, you know, UK is a surveillance state in
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  Speaker 3: that sense. They have cameras everywhere. They survey everything. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we have more legal protections than the Brits do.
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  Speaker 3: The question is, are they being upheld or not? And
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  Speaker 3: it's good that Congress is.
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  Speaker 5: Taking this up.
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  Speaker 4: I'll interject something. I'm watching a Korean TV serial. The
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  Speaker 4: title is May It Please the Court. And it's about lawyers,
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  Speaker 4: but the underplot involves government officials abusing the surveillance cameras
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  Speaker 4: and of course they don't even use government cameras. In
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  Speaker 4: Korea it is customary for shop owners to have surveillance
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  Speaker 4: cameras in front of their stores. And so far, it's
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  Speaker 4: a very interesting series with a very interesting flap.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 3: Good, yep.
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  Speaker 5: I like that title. That's cool.
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  Speaker 2: I have a related thing on this. In Canada, at
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  Speaker 2: least in Ontario, I believe that most of the cops
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  Speaker 2: are scanning license plates as they're driving along. And if
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  Speaker 2: there's any issue that comes up, they'll pull the car over.
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  Speaker 2: My friend actually had that happen to him. There was
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  Speaker 2: a mistake on the registry. And, I mean, I hear
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  Speaker 2: no fuss about this at all. And because to me,
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  Speaker 2: Canada is like, there's this inherent trust of government in
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  Speaker 2: most of the population, which boggles my mind. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's there. So I'm really glad to see a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a fuss in the U.S. about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Because maybe some of it will, you know, send some
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  Speaker 2: of that fuss up here. Because, you know, to me,
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  Speaker 2: I have a problem with that, right? Like, depending how
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  Speaker 2: the system is working and what it's storing, but... Is
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  Speaker 2: it recording, okay, I scanned this license plate at this location.
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  Speaker 2: Now they've got a record of where I've been.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they don't deserve that record without following the law,
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  Speaker 5: in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure there's abuses. Yeah, and it's a for-profit company.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what's built into it for safety. Like if,
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  Speaker 2: you know, does it delete the data if nothing comes up?
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  Speaker 5: They just want to make money.
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  Speaker 2: So, like I say, Canadians are just so trusting of
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  Speaker 2: government for stupidity reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, Americans don't trust government.
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  Speaker 2: We send some of that distrust of this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it'll stick with Canadians. I have a
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  Speaker 3: feeling they won't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, here it's like, oh, just give us more government,
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  Speaker 2: we're happy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah all right thanks uh thanks Catherine right we've got
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  Speaker 3: one super chat from Bosnia Herzegovina wow I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: I had a somebody listening to a show in Bosnia
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  Speaker 3: um how to get into classical music he asks right
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  Speaker 3: now uh some pieces sound nice but I don't have
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  Speaker 3: a strong emotional reaction to them uh So I've talked
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  Speaker 3: about this in the past. Given the short attention span
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  Speaker 3: we all have that our culture cultivates and the mindlessness
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  Speaker 3: of most contemporary music, it's not surprising that it's hard
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  Speaker 3: to get into classical music and it requires some effort
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: and some patience. So what you really need to do
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: is invest some time in it and focus on it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I think taking some classical music pieces, listening to them
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: intently with a singular focus on the music rather than
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: just as background, trying to really not let your mind drift,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: trying to have your mind really focused on the music
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: while you're listening, and sustaining that focus for longer than
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: two or three minutes, which is, again, hard in the
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: culture in which we live, and just letting the music
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: impact you emotionally. I mean, I recommend darkening the room
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: so you don't have a lot of other stimuli, cranking
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the music up to 11, which means loud, and basically
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: allowing yourself to be, you know, making it into a
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: completely immersive experience. I would also start with things that
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: are easier to, I think, relate to emotionally. Right off
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: the bat, I think, you know, I don't know, Tchaikovsky's
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Violin Concerto, his Piano Concerto, Rachmaninoff, Piano Concerto No. 2,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: maybe some Beethoven symphonies. What else? There's a bunch of
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: classical music that is relatively easy to connect to. I
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: would not start with Richard. I would not follow Frank's recommendation.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I would not start with Richard Strauss. I would not
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: start with Debussy or Respighi or Sibelius or Vaughan Williams
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: or Ravel or any of those guys, much too difficult,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: much too hard. That's kind of level two, three, four.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Peer Gynt by Greg is good. Scheherazade is good. Mozart,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: he says, Christopher says Mozart. I don't think Mozart above all,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: because I think Mozart, you know, connects emotionally less than
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: some of the others. I would start with the romantics
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and go from there. But, yeah, don't be overly ambitious
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: in terms of starting with, I don't know, Richard Strauss.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Richard Strauss is hard even for those of us who
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: listen to quite a bit of classical music. So that
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: is what I would suggest. Make an effort to focus
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: on it. Read a little bit about the musicians. read
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit about the history of classical music. I
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: think it just adds. But the main thing is just
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: spend time with an actual focus, with an actual focus
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I would say late Mozart tends to be much more
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: romantic than early Mozart.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: And If you want to start easy where the music
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: is easy to follow without having prior experience, late Mozart
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: is actually very good.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think late Mozart works. But there's a lot. Look,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: you could start with a Mendelssohn violin concerto. Schumann's piano
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: concerto is beautiful and I think easy to easy to
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: get the emotion of it and respond emotionally to it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: The Beethoven piano concertos, the violin concertos, generally concertos are
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: a little easier than symphonies. I think that's true of
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the Mozart late piano concertos as well because there's this
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: dynamic of the piano versus the orchestra which creates a
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: contrast that I think makes it easier to follow. But
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: just start somewhere and, and go with what you like. Um, uh,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: you know, Frank says the sorcerer's apprentice, which reminds me of,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: of the, um, of the Disney. What, what's the movie
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: called where Mickey mouse is conducting classical music. Um, I forget,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: but anyway, it's, it's a, it's a pretty amazing, uh,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: it's a, it's a pretty amazing introduction to, uh, to
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: classical music. Fantasia. Fantasia is a pretty good, pretty good
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: intro to classical music. Although, you know, again, you're not,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: you're not fully focused on the music because you're watching
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: the animation. So it only partially works. People, yeah, we've
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: got a lot of suggestions here. Most of them are good.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: But again, I wouldn't start with a baller row. I,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: you know, really think about where you're going to get
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the emotional impact from. Brahms, if you're going to do
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Brahms piano and violin again, the symphonies are a little harder. Yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: that's where I would go. And if you do the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: symphonies one and four, easier than two and three. All right,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: let's see. Yeah, Chopin. There's tons. I mean, once you
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: get into classical music, the beauty of it is there's
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: no end to the quantity. You can spend a lifetime
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: delving into it and discovering new things. There's no end, right?
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: There's still symphonies I haven't heard ever that are really good,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: and there's no... There's a lifetime's worth of music there.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: All right, Adam. Yes.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: At one point, you recommended voting Democratic in this turn
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: of elections just to sack it to Trump and essentially
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: make the next Congress less reliable for Trump. Now, I
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: would amend that and say, first of all, this only
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: applies to Congress and Senate. When it comes to local candidates,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: you really have to look at what every single one
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: of them has as their policy. And some Democrats and
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: some Republicans are just loathsome anti-semitic uh anti-capitalist and so
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: on um so we need to be very careful um
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: i also wanted to amend something that you mentioned which
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: is about the um absence of new housing being built
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: in California, Torrance right now has at least three giant
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: housing developments underway. The California Supreme Court ruled that cities
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: that were limiting housing because they want to, quote, keep
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: property values up, which means keep housing expensive. This was
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: unconstitutional under the state constitution.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Places like Torrance that used to keep real estate prices
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: high by limiting development, We're now having apartments, condos, and so.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: On going up everywhere.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: This will lead the traffic jams to be even worse
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: than they already are. But at least the political... power
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: to keep property values high by limiting supply, uh, is
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: no longer constitutional in California.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, California has taken a number of steps in
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: the last year or two, um, because of the yes
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: in my backyard kind of movement to, uh, liberalize, um, uh,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: buying homes. I, this has been quote ruling. And then
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: there was, there's a bunch of legislation that was passed, uh,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: including legislation, um, regarding, uh, downtowns and major cities. Uh, and, um, so,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: so there's a lot happening. Uh, there's a lot happening.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: But there's a massive backlog. So in spite of that,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: there's such a huge backlog in California in terms of
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: lack of housing. And it's still true that a lot
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: of the slowdown in housing is not a consequence of
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: the zoning, but a consequence of environmental regulations, environmental, what
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: do you call it, studies. I mean, where I lived
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: in Orange County, they were planning to build these massive,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: gated communities all along a new highway they had built
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I think the 73 I think it was and or
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: maybe the 241 anyway they were going to build these
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: massive new housing and everything and then you know the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: environmentalists came in and a court upheld the environmentalist objections
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: to I don't know some snail or some some, uh, uh, creature. So, uh,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: you know, there's always building in California and it doesn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: ever seem to be enough, but California has turned a corner.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: It really is being impacted much more by yes. In
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: my backyard kind of motivation and, uh, Even the governor, Newsom,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: has backed new laws that make it easier to build
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: skyscrapers in downtown, to build a much more denser residential development.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of reversals, both partially from the
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: court decision, but also from the legislation. to stop towns
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: trying to protect property values by restricting new buildings. So
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: let's hope that they build enough. Let's hope that environmentalists
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: don't manage to shut down more of this. I'm glad
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Torrance is seeing a boom. We'll see what happens in
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: San Francisco and in the Bay Area, which is a
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: big issue. There is this plan for a private city.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: on the, in the, on the East Bay across from
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: San Francisco, uh, where, uh, private interests have bought a
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: huge amount of land and they were going to build.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything recently about whether that is going
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: to go ahead and, um, and happen. It, it, it would,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: it would reduce property prices, I think in the Bay
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: area quite a bit because it was, it would be
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: massive mixed use development. Uh, Southern California, again, in Orange County,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: it's primarily the environmentalists who are stopping it more than
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: anybody else. But yeah, California is getting better. On this,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: California is getting better, unlike New York, which is getting
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: much worse. So New York is getting worse. California is
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: getting better. And it's still true that in most of
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: the country, prices are stable, rent is going down, and
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: housing is more and more affordable. because in most of
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: the country, the zoning restrictions are very limited. Thanks, Adam. Amlan?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so just kind of related to my previous question
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: around role for government, is there, when it comes to wills,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: powers of attorney and stuff like that, would that actually
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: be something useful? Because at least in the jurisdiction I'm in,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: there's no central registry for wills. And I was just wondering,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you know, if it would maybe help alleviate some of
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: the issues with wills being contested and stuff where you say, well,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: this is the latest will, this is the registry of record,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and so be it.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think we have a registry of record in
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the United States. I've never filed any of my wills
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: at a government entity. I mean, my lawyer has my
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: latest copy. I guess it could be disputed if I
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: wrote something down on a napkin and changed my mind. But,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: you know... I don't know. I'd have to think about that.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: It seems, I mean, the state does regulate wills in
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: the sense that there's a standard format for them. They
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: have to cover certain things, like all contracts. There's a
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: certain state requirement of what they look like and how
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: they do it. Some states in the U.S., well, Puerto Rico,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: for example, Puerto Rico will not let you, Puerto Rico
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: tells you how to allocate your resources when you die.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: So you can't make choices.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: So, you know, according to Puerto Rican law, unless you–
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: according to Puerto Rican law, your estate has to– X
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: amount has to go to your kids and Y amount
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: has to go to your wife and all this stuff.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: So they actually control that. And I know a lot
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: of countries have that. So you have to go through
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: a whole legal procedure in order to– Get your wishes
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: actually respected.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Luckily, Puerto Rico will recognize an estate plan written in California.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: California basically has no restrictions, so my estate plan is
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: a California estate plan, so I can do what I want,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and Puerto Rico will recognize that. But if I just
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: went based on Puerto Rico, I'd be in trouble.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Do you– so if you live in Puerto Rico and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: you have no connection to California in terms of like
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: physical nexus or anything, can you still do that? Like
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: have your will written?
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know why I was allowed
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: to write it in California. I can't remember. But I
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: went to see an estate lawyer here and we ultimately
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: concluded that I could do it in California. I think
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: because I already had one in California. So I was
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: just trying to revise it. But, yeah, it's complicated in
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: some of these states.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's amazing. So that's not what I was advocating.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Just a registry. You're advocating for just a registry of
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: the latest copy.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Just a registry that, you know, like if there's any,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: you know, like you don't have a dispute. Like you
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: go here, that's where you get the will.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: But you can imagine a private company offering that service.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: True.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And you don't even need the government. So I don't know.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: You know, the government now has your will. It has
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: access to it. Yeah, it strikes me as dangerous. I
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: would not suggest it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Good point.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Better they just tell you who you have to give
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: your money to.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Many lawyers do wills, but I would strongly advise, given
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: that wills are sometimes challenged, have your will prepared by
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: an attorney who specializes in challenging wills. and defending against
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: challenges to wills. Because if that's her specialty, she would
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: know how to write the will that's less subject to
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: the challenges that are encountered in the courts.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a bad way to find out.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably. I mean, certainly if you have a fear
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: that your will might be challenged, it's good to be
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: prepared in advance. Yeah.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Thanks. Sure. Yeah.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Catherine.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: I have a random question. Like, what would you say
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: is some advice because I'm feeling a little uninspired about
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: the job, like the job that I have and like
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: kind of all the jobs and like going out on
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: your own and doing something like, I don't know, like
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: what's your advice on like, finding a job that you
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: love because my job is fine and it pays me
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: well and I am good at it, but I don't
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: want to like settle. And, um, I've tried, I work
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: in credit cards, but I'm like a chief of staff,
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: but I'm a little bored. Like, and sometimes in these
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: big corporate companies, it's kind of like political and who
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: plays the games and like kisses the right You know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: and it just can be a little frustrating. And so
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out what I want to do
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: with my career next. Like, do you have any advice
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: on like how you came to like your career or
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: like trying different things or how to be more inspired
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: with that?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you have to first be willing
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: to take on risk and accept the fact that you,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: you know, to find, I think your ideal job, you're
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: going to have to take on some risk and it's
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: not going to be as comfortable, as safe as the
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: existing job. And then I think it involves a lot
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: of introspecting in terms of what kind of job you want.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: What makes this job boring? What kind of job do
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: you think would not be boring? What are the skill
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: sets that you have? Obviously finance, but probably at this
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: point also management and some other things. So where would
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: all that fit? Is there a way for you to
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: work for yourself? That is, could you become a kind
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: of consultant or something like that? Is that something you
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: would want to do? Could you try it? So I
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: think it's a lot of introspection about what kind of
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: job and what you want to do and then take
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the plunge and leaving this job and going on the
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: job market or starting your own business and seeing how
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: it goes. And you can always go back into the
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: job market if, um, if self-employment is not what you
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: want or you're not enjoying it.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: Uh, so, um, Or like starting something on the side
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: now while I have my job, see how it goes.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you have the time and you
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: have the resources to do that and it's not conflicting
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: with some contract you have with your employer, then yes.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would be a nice way to transition.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so having more than one job is a
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: good way to figure out what you like and what
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: you don't like and what are the risks that are involved.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: So starting something on the side makes a lot of sense.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: I think what I don't like is like kind of
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: involves risk in the sense that I feel like in
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: the corporate world, a lot of people, and like I
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: do well at my job and like I'm smart, but
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: I feel like the people that get ahead are the
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: people who maybe don't take risks and like are the
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: people who kind of like play the game well. And
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: it's not necessarily the people who are like, I have
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: this great idea, like we should do this. And it's
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: not really the people that get ahead. It's like, hard
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: to explain.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think that, I think there's a
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: lot of, there's a lot of politics in, um, in
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: particularly large corporations. And, uh, if, if you know, one
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: way to avoid that is to get out of there and,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: you know, find a FinTech startup and go work for, for,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: for a startup, that would be fun and exciting. And, uh,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: you could use your, your financial skills and, and your
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: management skills. So I, I wouldn't, it wouldn't just be
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: start my own thing. It could be, I mean, New
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: York is filled with fintech startups. Go find somebody who's
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: doing some exciting work. And you might, you'll probably take
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: a salary hit, but you'd get stocks and stuff like that.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: But it would be more fun. Yeah.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you from somebody who's done kind
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: of corporate and his own thing and failed at many
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: things too, you know, it's exciting. It's scary at times.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: It can be quite, but it can be very disappointing also.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: You know, so I think for me, the key was
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to have your expectations match what you're doing also. Like
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: if you go to a startup, like you're going to
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: lose all of that support stuff that you might be
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: used to in a corporate environment. And it's easy to
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: say intellectually, but when it actually happens is when you
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: notice it. And things like that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just tired of the red, like, my
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: friend just got fired at our job because she sent
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: an email from her work email to her personal email.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: And it wasn't even like a sensitive email. And then
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: another girl got fired for allegedly stealing a candy bar
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: from it's just like, There's like a lot of like
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: really silly stuff and it's like that ends up mattering
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: more than like how smart and talented you are. It's
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: like how much you comply with these tiny little.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: The email stuff, if you look at the penalties banks
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: have paid for exactly that, stupid emails that they sent
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: to their personal address, you can understand a company firing them. So,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: you know, this is a big deal for these companies,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: not because they care, but because their regulators care and
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: the regulators will just They'll just ask you for all
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: your emails. They'll take an AI, and they'll scan everything,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: and they'll see an email go from your professional to
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: your personal, and that's it. That's a $ 100 million fine
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: right there on the company because of that. I mean,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: there have been big, high-profile cases where that's exactly what's happened.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: So I get why the company is upset about that.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what the content is. Zero matters. Really?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: It seemed crazy to me.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. This is regulations.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because, like, she's so smart and so talented. Like,
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: she went to Harvard. Like, and I'm just like, but
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: they don't, it's not even about, they don't evaluate you
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: as a person at all. It's just like.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Now, when it comes to you violating some regulation that
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: the government has been placed. I mean, we used to get,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, our, in my hedge fund, we had, our marketing,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: the regulations that guided our marketing were 300 pages long. Wow.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: so you can never read it all so you just
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: didn't do anything innovative you just you just shut down exactly.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: That's my point it's because it's so risk averse because
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: they're so worried that's finance but they worry more about
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: that than like how much talent you could bring to their.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Company because the talent will never generate hundreds of millions
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: but you could get fined hundreds of millions of dollars
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: for violations of the stupid regulations but that's.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: What's bothering me right now in life and my job. So,
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: and then another girl I know got fired because she
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: cussed to the, like she called her private health insurance
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: about something and she cussed to them and then they
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: sent the recording to her boss and she got, so
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: I'm just, there's these crazy things that are happening and
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, it's all so weird. Anyway.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: So I would, I would definitely look at a change. I, I, I,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: you know, and I don't, I don't think you should settle.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think you should just, accept the stuff. I
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: agree with Amlan. It's scary and sometimes disappointing, but you
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: got to try it. You only live once. I mean,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: you've got to, you've got to take, you've got to
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: take the leap and, and try something.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: But Catherine, I would say if you're expecting to go
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: into a startup and have no politics, then that's probably
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: going to be disappointing.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: I'd love to work for myself eventually or just some
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: environment where I can like make decisions that I know
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: are right and.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Just move forward with them. Okay. But you're going to
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: be working for somebody, right?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: No, I know.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: I think also.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying if you if you go into, you know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: like I've done that, too. Right. I was doing private
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: consulting for my former employer and stuff. And then I
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: joined a small startup where less than 20 people. I
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: had two years of politics that I had to like
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: really hardcore politics that I had to navigate.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: And I hate that stuff.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Before I was able to help maneuver the company to
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: fire those people.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so hard for me.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: You know, so don't, you're always going to have somebody
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you're going to be dealing with. I know, it's true.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: And I will still say, don't settle, take risk.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, all that's true. But don't, you know,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: take the risk and see what happens. You might get lucky.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: You know, you might fall into a great environment. You
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: might not. But you know you're unhappy where you are.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: That's a given. So, you know, work to improve.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: I'm bored. Yeah. Anyway.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Sorry. Thank you all.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Enric, any predictions on what will happen after November 3rd?
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I think Democrats will win
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: the House. They might win the Senate, which will be
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: pretty amazing. I mean, it would be pretty shocking, put
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: it that way, if they win the Senate, because they shouldn't.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, not if you look at the map. But
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: people are really unhappy with the Trump administration, so there's
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: a good chance. By the way, I don't believe you
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: should vote Democratic no matter what. I agree with Adam.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: You have to look at the candidates. I mean, if
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: you're in Michigan, I don't think you can vote for
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: this Democrat running for the Senate in Michigan. You've got
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: to have some minimal threshold standards of people you will
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: not vote for. And as Adam said, if they're anti-Semitic
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: or socialist or whatever, you can't vote for them. And
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: then the question is, can you vote for the other guy?
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: But I think the Democrats will set out to make
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: it as much hell as possible for Trump, probably impeachments.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: They probably won't succeed in the Senate, but they'll tie
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: up the House with constant, you know, impeachment stuff. I
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: think they'll then We'll see some government shutdowns. We'll see
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. And, you know, it'll probably
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: backfire on Democrats because I don't think that's why they're
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: being elected. I don't think that they're going to be elected,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: you know, that they're making people what they want is
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: for them to, you know, just engage in partisan harassment.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: But.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Do the American people want?
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: They don't know what they want. At this point, they
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: don't want Trump, but they don't know what they do
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: want instead. I mean, what do groups want generally? I mean,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: but even individuals, what do they want? They don't know
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: what they want. But right now, they want to send
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: a message that they're not happy with Trump. What they
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: would like is interest rates to come down. What they
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: would like is inflation to go to zero. What they
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: would like is their income to increase. And Are they
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: are they willing to tolerate the things that would be
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: required in order to achieve that? No. So are they
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: willing to they want government to spend less money, but
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: they don't want anything cut. They want to pay less taxes,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: but they don't want anything cut. So, yeah, I mean,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: they want a lot of contradictory things that don't make
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: any sense. So my prediction is, you know, the Democrats
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: will win again, certainly the House, maybe the Senate. And
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: then Trump won't fight it. I mean, he'll talk a
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: lot about stolen elections and all that, but he won't
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: send the troops out into the streets. So the election
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: will go through. A new Congress will be put in place.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Trump will freak out by doing a bunch of executive
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: orders and bypassing Congress altogether. He'll try to ignore a
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: lot of what Congress does. And it'll be two years
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: of complete and utter mayhem. You know, if you thought
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: the last two years were crazy, the next two years
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: are going to be insane. because it's going to be
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: this tug of war between him and the Democrats. There
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: are no winners out of this. Everybody's a loser. But,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: you know, I guess it has to happen because Republicans
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: have to at some point suffer the consequences of their choices.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: But where is the end result of that? I mean,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like it's going to be anything. It
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: can be anything positive.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: No, I don't see anything positive. Well, I mean, the
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: positive thing is maybe J.D. Vance is not electable as
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: a consequence.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: But isn't it still like 30% of Americans think Trump
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: is doing a great job?
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 30% will vote for Trump no matter what. So
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: the question is, can they get out of the 20, 21?
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: But no, it's what's the end game. The end game
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: is things are going to get worse. And the only
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: question is at what speed and how bad and how fast.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: What will the Democrats learn from this cycle? Who will
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: they nominate as a presidential candidate in 2028? What will
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Republicans learn from it? Who will they nominate for 2028?
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: All of that is going to be up for grabs
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: in the next two years. While I think the country
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: is going to be a mess at the same time.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: All right. Let's see. Ilya, where do you recommend someone
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: start with developing an exercise routine? Any books? What made
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: you switch from a once a week high intensity workout
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: to daily routine? I mean, a couple of things. One,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: one thing made you switch is that the once a
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: week routine is You need special equipment for it, and
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: that equipment doesn't exist in Puerto Rico. So I had
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: to switch to something, and then I met Tom, my trainer.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: And then the other thing was the more I read,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: the more I realized that the once-a-week routine certainly did
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: not solve my, you know, solve the, what do you
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: call it, the cardio issue, that you need to train
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: your cardiovascular system separate from building muscle. And that requires
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: actual different type of work than what the once a
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: week routine had. And that requires a lot more work.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, the book I like, I still like it,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: is Peter Atiyah's book, because I think it's, I forget
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: the name of it, but if you look up Peter Atiyah,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: you'll find it. Because it's, everything he says in that
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: book strikes me as reasonable. I mean, I'm an art expert.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: but he seems to be approaching the issues the right way. Uh,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: he seems to be basing it on scientific facts and, um, and, uh,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: you know, so the idea is you want to build
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: muscle and you want to build your cardiovascular, you want
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: to maximize your view to max, which is, uh, your,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: your ability to absorb oxygen that requires, that requires really
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: hard cardio work. So, uh, You know, I don't have
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: any particular book other than the Peter Thier book. And
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: then I have a trainer, personal trainer, because I wouldn't
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: know how to structure like the routines and how to
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: particularly in terms of weightlifting, how to structure it as
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: to not to do yourself harm and yet build muscle.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: So I've got a personal trainer. He's on Zoom, you know,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: so we can do it from wherever I'm traveling. He's
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: in England. You know, I'm in Puerto Rico. We can
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: do it anytime from anywhere. So it's super convenient. So, yeah,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: find a personal trainer. I mean, there are tons of
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: personal trainers out there. Most of them know what they're doing.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: And part of the problem of exercise is motivation. And
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: if you hire a personal trainer and you've got money
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: on the line, That provides super motivation. You've got a schedule.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: I booked to see him at 8 a.m. in the morning.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: I can't sleep in because I made a commitment. So
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: you go. Whereas if you don't have a personal trainer,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to do it at 8 a.m. It's too easy. Oh,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: I'm tired today. Today's not a good day. I'm going
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: to sleep in. So make a commitment. And one way
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: to make a commitment is spend money. So I say
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: get a personal trainer. Let's see. James, to follow up
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: on your comments about the UK customer service yesterday, I've
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: been to Manchester and Liverpool and Birmingham, and the customer
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: service was just as good as London. London is like
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: a mix of the best elements of New York City
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: and Boston. There's something about British culture that's so civilized
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: and elegant that we don't have in America. The Enlightenment
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: and Industrial Revolution began there for a reason. I mean,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: yes and no. So I'm going to disagree with you, James,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: in this sense. I mean, I haven't been to Manchester
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: and Liverpool, so I can't comment. I've been to other
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: places around the UK, but not really engaged in customer
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: service-related activities. I remember London in the 70s and in
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: the early 80s, and customer service sucked. I mean, sucked
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: is an understatement. It was horrible and terrible. You walked
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: into a store in London, and they would go, what
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: do you want? socialism destroyed whatever benevolence existed in the UK.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: So it's not inherent in the UK. It comes from,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I think it comes from basically from capitalism, from competition,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: from a certain attitude about taking responsibility for your own life,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: which disappeared from England in the 60s and 70s. And
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: customer service in London was awful, really, really bad. And
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: that changed with Thatcher. Thatcher changed that completely. She changed
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: the attitude of the Brits. She changed that customer service.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I remember going to London in the 90s already, and
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: it was so different than what I had experienced earlier
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: than that, right, from what I experienced in the late
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: 70s or even in the mid-80s. And I think it's
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: improved since then. And I think it has to do
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: a lot with what we talked about yesterday. It has
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: to do with, first of all, Thatcher and the change
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: and the mental change that was going on. I think
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: it also has to do with immigration. London is this
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: incredible melting pot of immigrants, at least some immigrants. There
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: are some immigrants that won't melt, and they're a problem,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: but most do participate, and I think they bring a
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: real ambition to it. So it's a mixture of things,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: but it's not inherent in the British culture to have
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: great customer service as immigration. because under the socialism of
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: the 60s and 70s, they didn't. But, I mean, you
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: could feel the Thatcher revolution just in people's attitudes, just
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: like Reagan changed America, you know, at least in the
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: short run for the better, in the sense that people
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: became a lot more benevolent, a lot more optimistic, a
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: lot more positive about the world. And you could really
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: sense that. You could really feel that. And that was
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: true of Thatcher as well.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Do you sense when you're in London or in the UK,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: you're on that they're backsliding quite fast?
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: You don't sense it in London. In central London. You
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: don't sense it in central London at all. I mean,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: it was more crowded this time than ever, I think.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Just a ton of tourists. Huge numbers of people out
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: in the streets. The luxury stores are packed. I mean,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: my hotel, the room rates, last-minute room rates at my
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: hotel were going for about 1,000 pounds a night. Wow.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: And it was sold out. There was not a room
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: in the hotel available, right? And it's not the fanciest
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: hotel in London by far, right? So it's a W hotel.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: It's a nice brand, but it's not like the Dorchester
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: or the fancy British hotels. It's way over £ 1, 000 a month.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: So there is money. Now, the money might be just tourists,
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: but that creates economic activity in London. It means the
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: stores are full. It means the hotels are full. It
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: means business. Local Brits are benefiting from all this activity.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: And I, you know, I didn't this time talk to
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of, you know, in the past I would
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: talk to investors and others in England. I didn't this time.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: But I don't get, no, I don't get the sense.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: There's still construction going on everywhere. And London has, like
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: New York and San Francisco, has a real estate, a
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: rent problem, although prices have stabilized because A lot of
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: millionaires particularly are leaving. So the data suggests it's in decline, right?
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: The data suggests... millionaires are leaving. There's a massive exodus
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: of millionaires and billionaires from the UK, the largest ever.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: A lot of that is because the UK was a
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: tax haven for a lot of them. And that's gone.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: The tax haven status is gone. So they're leaving. There's
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: now talk about a wealth tax. And so people I
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: talked to were like, Yeah, we're going to leave. If
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: the world text comes, we're leaving, right? So it's definitely
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: in decline, but you don't feel it in the streets
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: of London. So I'm not sure where you would feel it,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: but somewhere. All right, Shazbat says, you routinely exercise your body,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: but do you have any exercises for the mind? I
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: have a 3D maze puzzle called Purp. plexus which is
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: rather effective i don't need a puzzle i have you
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: guys i have this show i mean this is uh
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: uh you asking me questions from uh pretty much uh
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: 360 degrees in terms of topics from all over the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: place having to analyze the news every day, keeping up
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: with the news every day. So no, that is my
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: mind exercises, the work that I do, which is, and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: you guys keeping me, keeping my tiptoes and calling me
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: when I make a mistake. That is my exercise. Right,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: not your average algorithm. By the way, all these are
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: 50 bucks. So thank you. Thank you guys. Did you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: watch Bill Gates interview with Ezra Klein about AI? It
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: was such ridiculous risk aversion and Luddite thinking. If Microsoft
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: had been subject to a fraction of the regulations he
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: is advocating for AI, it would never have gotten anywhere. Yes,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, I did watch it. And, you know, I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: think what Bill Gates is trying to do is kind
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: of to align somewhere between the crazy doomerism of the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: CEO of Anthropic and OpenAI and the kind of attitude
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: that to some extent I've expressed, which is, well, I mean,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: let the victims sue the companies if there's damage. And
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: one of the things he points out in the interview,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: which I think, you know, is correct in the sense
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: of this is how we got the modern regulatory state is, Well,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, we don't allow that in any other field.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: We have regulations on everything in America to prevent not
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: just catastrophic losses, but to prevent losses. And so why
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: shouldn't AI qualify as well? So what Bill Gates is
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: really doing here is he's presenting the kind of conventional
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: view of regulation. Regulation is supposed to be preventive. There
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: are real risks here, potential risks here, that are real,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: and therefore the government should regulate, just like it regulates
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: every other business. Now, of course, you know my attitude
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: towards regulation. I think we shouldn't be, government shouldn't be regulating,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: or at least it should be regulating only those things
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: that have clear and objective risks associated with them, risks
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: to the individual rights of people. I think he is
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: right in one sense. That is, to the extent that
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: these models can violate rights, and they clearly can, they
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: can violate rights in the sense of breaking into your property,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: your website, your databases. They can violate rights by providing
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: information on how to build very, very nasty weapon systems
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: to bad guys. It does make sense for the government
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: to clarify these issues. That is, the government should come
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: out and say, here's what violating rights constitutes when it
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: comes to AI. You know, if they break into another company,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: that company can pursue legal action against you. even if
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: there's no economic damage, just breaking in is unacceptable. So I,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: a burglar breaks into your house and then leaves without
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: taking anything. You don't say, Oh, well, he didn't take anything.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: So that's okay. No, I mean, he still goes to jail.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: So there have to be consequences to, to these actions
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: and the government could legitimately. So if I take the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: most benevolent view of Bill Gates, which I don't think
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: is justified in this case, I think he's just a
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: middle of the road, a mixed economy, uh, uh, pro-regulation guy. Uh,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: I would say that, yes, the government needs to be
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: involved in clearly defining what constitutes rights violation and instructing
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: the companies to make sure that their models don't engage
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: in that activity. Adam, you have your hand up.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: You're an art collector and you used to live in
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Orange County.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: I have.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: A sculpture by my favorite sculptor, Luoli Rong. I know
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: she's not your favorite, but the sculpture I have is
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: one of her better ones, but not really as good
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: as one that has come on the market right now.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: And I bid on the new one, which I think
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: will be much better. And then I will need to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: sell the lesser one. Who is there in this area,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: Orange County and Southern Los Angeles County, who would be
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: a good gallery to resell a sculpture?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I don't know if galleries resell because,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some decent galleries in Laguna Beach. which
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: exhibit good art, but I don't know if they do resales.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they do, like, on consignment, which
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: is what you're suggesting. So I don't know who does
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: consignment kind of work. The alternative, of course, is to
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: put it up on eBay, or, you know, you can
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: find some amazing sculptures on eBay, and I think there
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: is quite an active market there. There's also antique stores,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: but this isn't an antique piece. So, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: And Orange County has some good galleries down on Laguna Beach.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Those are the only good galleries I know of. And
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: then if you want to go further south in La
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Jolla in San Diego County, there are some good galleries
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: in La Jolla. But I do not know if they
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: sell pieces by consignment. Great.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Amlan.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry about that. Have you seen this Korean series,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Teach You a Lesson?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Have you watched it or heard about it? No, I haven't.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: It's a really interesting series. I mean, there's a kind
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: of a... I mean, the premise is it starts off
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: in the first episode, they're talking about bullying, and basically
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: this guy who goes in from the ministry to deal
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: with it. So there's a kind of a revenge or
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: justice aspect to it, but... The rest of the series,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: they talk about different issues in Korean schools, and I
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: did some research on it, and it seems like a
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: lot of those issues are actually quite realistic. And one
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: thing I just found really fascinating was, I mean, I
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: thought education in schools were bad in North America, but
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: if there's some truth to any of this stuff, it's
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: really bad. Like in terms of bullying or how parents are,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: how teachers are mistreated and things like that. So if
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: you want to, I think you would find it quite
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: an interesting series.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: I'll teach you a lesson. I'll look into it. Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: And I'd be curious, like if you ever watch it,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: I'd be curious to hear just what you think about it.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: I was kind of watching it and saying like, okay,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: this can't be real.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: I think that the Asian school, you know, have real
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: problems of bullying. you know, overly ambitious parents who manage
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: their kids and bully the teachers. And I think all
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: of that is real. And they still do better in
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: math and reading than American kids.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: But I thought these were cultures that kind of venerated
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the elderly and the teachers and all that. And from
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: what I've seen in this, I mean, okay, there's the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: parents doing it, but at least that the students were,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: you know, I think.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: The cultures have changed a lot. I think the Korean
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: culture has changed a lot. It's become a lot more cynical.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that they have TV shows that
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: actually portray these things and have values and stuff suggests
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: there's some goodness in the culture. But there is a cynicism.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: You know, they're not having kids, which I think is
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: always an indication of something weird going on. I mean,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: literally no kids. They're not getting married. They're not having sex.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: So by all surveys, they have very little kind of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: personal lives. They work longer hours than pretty much anybody else.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: So You know, there's obviously some good in the culture,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: but there's some real issues there as well.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, yeah. Okay. Like I said, I'd be curious
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: to hear what your thoughts are on it if you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: watch it.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Okay. About schools.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: My granddaughter attends Guidepost Montessori, which is very good in
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: individualizing Montessori to the abilities of the individual student. And
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: they also follow their students to where the students go next.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: So if you have a child or grandchild and there
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: is a Guidepost Montessori near you, I very strongly recommend
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: them for at least those reasons and many others.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Adam. Catherine?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: Would you speak a little bit about the Cornell 7 thing?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I haven't dug into it, and it
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: looks like digging into it requires going down a real
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: rabbit hole because there's so much there. From what I understand,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: and you have to be really careful here because I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: don't know how much we actually know. From what I understand,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: there's a real conflicting... about what exactly happened. So one
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: interpretation is these guys basically drugged this girl and then
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: gang raped her. Basically seven guys raped this girl, you know,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: and it's, you know, and if that's the story, then
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: it's simple, right? It's horrific and they should go to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: jail and it's just disgusting and awful. But at this point,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: it's just hard to tell because supposedly after the fact,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: she didn't think she was raped. She didn't believe she
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: was raped. Supposedly, there's one story here that says that
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: she participated in this consensually and changed her story at
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: some point after she was... you know, uh, harassed and, uh,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: what they call it, slut shame, something like that, you know,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: whether she was called names and everything. And she changed
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: the story and argued that she was raped. Um, I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: don't know what happened. So, so, uh, you know, somebody
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: has to investigate this. Uh, it supposedly Cornell investigated it
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: and decided not to pursue it.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: And now we've got right essays.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: So I have, I think that the first, you said too,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: I think the first part happened and they have like
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: text messages of being like, there's free, you know what,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: in like this room, she's passed out. Like all this,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: there's like all this evidence. And then Cornell basically had
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: the guys write essays saying like they, which is like,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: is that the punishment? And then it's like, it just
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: scares me.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: If that's the reality, then it's disgusting. And, and these
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: guys should really be punished for it. Um, Yeah, I mean,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: we will see. We've got an attorney. We've got the
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: New York Attorney General now looking into this. So I
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: think we'll ultimately get the facts out there and find
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: out exactly. I mean, the other thing is these guys
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: are so disgusting.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, talk about shaming people. These guys, at the
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: very least, even if it was consensual, let's just make–
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: They're disgusting. Even if it was this consensual, these guys
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: should be ashamed of themselves, um, in terms of what
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: they were doing. Uh, and you know, it's yet to
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: be determined. And if, if they are in the text messages,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: she's passed out, come and do this. I mean, that's,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: that's horrific and disgusting and they should, that's rape, right?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: There's no question that is rape in that case. And,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: and they should all be, they should all be a
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: prosecutor for rape. So we will find out, I think, um,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: we will find out what's actually, hopefully there'll be a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: trial and the evidence will come out and we'll find
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: out exactly what happened. And these kids will be punished
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: for what they did. Uh, but yeah, it's, I find
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: it difficult. I don't understand Cornell in the sense that,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: you know, there's been such a backlash, right. Uh, about this.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, over the years, right. The, the, um, The
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: premise has been to believe the woman and not to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: believe the guys. So what happened at Cornell that they
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: flipped on that in the way that they did? Yeah,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: the whole thing is weird.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: Do you think that the premise is usually to believe
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: the women over the men?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: It has been more recently. It wasn't originally, right? So
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: I think at some point, because of woke and because of, of,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: of their attitude on campuses and because of title, one
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: of the titles, title nine or whatever, they flipped on it.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: And they made it so that men, the, the, you
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: had to prove your innocence and, uh, rather than they
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: had to prove your guilt. So there was a period
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: in which men were, I think, prosecuted, prosecuted. Is that
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: the right word? I think that we have a discriminated against.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I feel like men have had a lot of privilege, uh.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: And I think that's certainly true in the past. That
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: is in the past. I don't think anybody took great seriously.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: I think they just have been starting to be held
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: accountable more.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: I think they're being held accountable, but in colleges without
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: due process. Yeah. So, so you have to write, you
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: have to find the right balance. You have to find
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: a system of justice and, and, and figure out what
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: actually happens. And, and then, you know, prosecute the people
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: for what they actually do so for many many you
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: know forever men have gotten away with rape and and
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: worse um without without being punished i thought in campuses
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: this swung the other way but this in cornell suggests
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: that no i mean they're still.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: Getting away with it do you remember the stanford rape
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: case this was like 2016 the guy but that was
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: the he served three months for good behavior and that
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: was it and she was passed out and they had
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: like eyewitnesses of him raping her so it just feels
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: like there is a bit of I mean I grew
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: up with a lot of privilege but I do think
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: there is a lot of privilege like if your parents
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: are wealthy they're donors they have good lawyers and you
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: go to a good school and like they can just kind.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Of I think that 2016 was the turning point because
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: of the absurdity of all that and the amount of
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: national press it got I thought that campuses had gone
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: the other way maybe I was wrong after the Stanford
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: case But, you know, again, we'll see what happens with
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: this case. It's certainly it's if this if it turns
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: out that this was rape and all Cornell did was
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: give them essays to write, then then, you know, it's
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: there has to be some repercussions to whoever Cornell made
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: that decision.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: I think it's hard when our president is who he is.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yes, that's that's generally that's that's generally true.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: I agree with you completely.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: But no, absolutely.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: Like, I think, I mean, I don't know if the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: Epstein files are all released, but it's tough when he's like,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: all that's going on and he's the president. And then
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: it's like, I feel like the accountability when it filters down,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: everyone's like less good people.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: He's being accused of rape. He's being not, and he's
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: being civilly, found civilly liable for rape, not criminally, but
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: civilly liable for rape. I forget the name of the woman,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Carol or something, Carol. And yet he still got elected.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: Go figure white people vote for, for, for somebody like that.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: So if you're like in a leadership role at like
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: Cornell or something, I don't know. It just doesn't inspire
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: people to act right. When you're leader of the free
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: world is like.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: I think that's right. But you'd, but people at universities,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: you don't tend to be more, much more left wing
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: and tend to be much more anti-Trump. So I don't
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: know why they would be, I don't know, but, but,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, if it turns out that this is what
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: really happened, then it's about as disgusting as it gets.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But yes, no, I mean, from that audio tape
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: where he was talking about grabbing women, I mean, why
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: a person like that, how a person like that could
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: get elected president of the United States is beyond me
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: and has been beyond me since 2016. I never understood it.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: And I said, especially given all the values voters.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: That voted for.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. These are the values voters. These are the people
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: who told Bill Clinton that it's all about character.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: You know, it's strange.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: It's the same people yeah.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: I don't get it i really don't and sometimes i
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: really try and understand it and i really do and
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: i just can't.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: Well people for a variety of reasons people were desperate
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: and still are desperate they they want change they they
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: know Whatever's going on right now in the country sucks.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: It's wrong. They want something different. They want a change,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: and they got caught up in him being the change agent.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are regretting that right now,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: but they got caught up in that, and they were
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: willing to give him a pass and all this stuff
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: in order to bring about this change that was going
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: to come about. But it's unthinking. It required unthinking. It
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: required suspension of reason and rationality. to believe and to
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: trust somebody with his kind of character.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Kamala wasn't the best, but.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course, you've always got the alternative, which
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: is pretty bad.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: That's what you hear, though, right? Like, I have a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: cousin of mine, he's a doctor in Rhode Island, so
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: he's not a stupid guy.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: And I had a big argument with him about Trump,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: and he's just like, well, what about Kamala? What about Kamala?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Kamala would have done this worse.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they say that.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: That's all the discussion was, and at some point, of course,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: he threw out the TDS at me, which I almost
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: hit him.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: So the ironic thing is that Kamala had been a
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: very strict law and order attorney general.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: She was, she was, she surprised people because she ran
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: a pretty leftist campaign. And then when she was attorney general,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: she was big law and order. She was pro death penalty,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: which he had run against a death penalty. So, um,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: You know, who knows what Kamala would have done on
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of issues. She would have been worse than Trump.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: But it still would have been good for the country
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: to say no to Trump. That's been my point the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: whole time. You've got to say no at some point.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: You've got to say at some point character does matter.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: And the level of his is just, yeah.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to watch the Cornell case and see
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: as the evidence comes out. what exactly the evidence is.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: They asked Trump about it and he said, but then
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: all the comments were funny because I was like, you
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: can't ask someone about it who's like the leader of
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: the group chat. Because there was like 52 men in
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: a group chat that were all talking about this woman
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: who was passed out. And then they asked Trump about
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: it and he was like, oh, well, he basically was like,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Sorry, I'll just stop talking. But I
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: just feel like he's so bad that it somehow is
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: cascading and affecting like.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it's affecting young men. That is, they
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: are susceptible to this. There's no question that young men
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: are affected by Trump. They want to be like him.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: They want to emulate because he is president. So there's
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: no question it's affecting people. I'm surprised that it's affecting
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: administrators at top universities.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: But They're worried about their funding.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe, maybe, maybe.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: I think it's specifically the fraternity culture.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Yep. All right. Not to have a juggle with them.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: Are there more missing links out there than you would
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: expect in a post-Ayn Rand world? There are 8 billion
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: people on the planet and you have 43,700 subscribers. It
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: suggests most of humanity is quite mindless outside of their
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: work environment. You know, again, I don't like to assume
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: that if you don't listen to the Ron Brooks show
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: on a regular basis and subscribe, you are mindless. I
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: think that is unbelievably arrogant and absurd. There are people
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: out there in the world doing amazing things. I mean,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: really amazing things in technology, in science, in engineering, in
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of different realms. Now, that is maybe the
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: realm of work that people, you know... achieving great things
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: and taking care of themselves. And there are people out
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: there who are happy in spite of not listening to
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: you on book show. So I wouldn't take my subscribers
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: as the test. There are a lot of people who
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: are missing link. I don't think, I don't think Ayn
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: Rand solves that because if you read Ayn Rand and
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: you're one of those missing link, that is you're not
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: willing to conceptualize beyond a certain point, then, Ayn Rand
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: is not going to convince you. So it's already too late.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: And this is why it all boils down to education, education, education.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: And the earlier you start, the better. The earlier you
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: get a proper education, the more likely it is that
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: you can not become one of the missing links and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: choose to become something different. So, you know, I wouldn't attribute,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't just write off all of humanity because they
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: haven't read Ayn Rand or because they don't take Ayn
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: Rand seriously. There's a lot of goodness out there, a lot.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: The world would stop working if there wasn't. And if
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: they're rational and hyper-rational, I mean hyper, fully rational at work,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: then some of them must be rational in the rest
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: of their lives as well. So they don't get politics.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Politics is only one aspect of life. Frank.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Frank.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: What is happening in France? It's pure nihilism. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: it's hard to tell exactly what's happening in France, like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of these things. But I think that it
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: started out with some small scale student demonstrations about, I
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: don't know, not having air conditioning in the classroom and
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: the classroom is getting really, really hot and having long
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: hours and You know, the public servants that are working
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: at the schools are probably not doing the greatest of jobs.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: And it has been picked up by the nihilist elements
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: among the students. And now there are riots going on
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: in hundreds of schools. And it is, you know, there
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: are fires. They're putting stuff on fire. And it's just
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: an opportunity for teenagers to run amok. And that's exactly
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: what's going on. And add to that the, the social,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: you know, unrest that exists in France kind of under
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: the surface, uh, has existed there for a long time. Uh,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: the fact that there are, you know, all these neighborhoods
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: in the outskirts of places like, uh, Paris and much
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: of Marseille and other places that, you know, the police
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: are afraid to enter in that, uh, uh, basically, uh,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: run by Islamists, or parts of them are run by Islamists,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: or gangs, or whatever. You add all, and France has
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: riots every few months, years, and they burn stuff down
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: when they lose a football match, when they win a
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: football match, and in between, they riot. I think this
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: is just young people going crazy and being spurred on
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: by nihilistic elements within France. Somebody says this is Rousseau
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: versus Locke. Yeah, this is This is Rousseau. It could
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: even be, if you want to make it internal to France,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: it's Rousseau versus Voltaire or Rousseau versus Diderot or Rousseau
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: versus the Enlightenment. This is Rousseau versus the French Enlightenment.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: Rousseau was anti-Enlightenment. Rousseau was basically this, ultimately a nihilist. So, uh, it's,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: it's pure nihilism. And this is all in preparation for
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: Marie Le Pen winning next, next year. So, uh, the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: left will freak out and there'll be riots in the
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: streets again when she wins. NYK, any chance you're moving
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: to the new capital of objectivism in Austin, Texas? Been here, Austin,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: almost a year for New York City. Happy with it
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: so far and very excited about the center going up.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Not leaving Puerto Rico anytime soon. Who knows where I'll
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: land up ultimately, but probably here for another, I don't know,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: six years, eight years, something like that. So, uh, we will,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: we will see. So, uh, um, but yeah, Austin is
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: a great place to live. If you can tolerate the summers, uh,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: it is a great place to live. And, uh, it's
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: definitely on my list of places, uh, in terms of, uh,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: where I would want to live if I did not
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: live in Puerto Rico. All right. We'll do a, uh,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: one more round with our panel and we'll call it
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: a night. Uh, Adam, Yes.
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  Speaker 4: One thing that I noticed about schools in America, they're
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: controlled by local boards of education. And if the local
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: population is heavily Asian, as is happening in Torrance, as
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: is happening in the northern suburbs of Phoenix, where Japanese
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: and Korean companies are building factories. So they're inside the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: states for Trump's tariffs. And they're importing many engineers And
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: those people, when they become citizens, and even if they don't,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: they influence... their neighbors there are some very good curricula
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: for K-12 Singapore math which actually goes way beyond math
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: it includes science and language and the international baccalaureate curriculum,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: and local school boards can choose good curricula.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: They're available.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: And as long as you have the right voters, they
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: vote in boards of education that support good curricula.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's one of
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: the advantages the American system has. of having education localized
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: and not federalized. And one of the real evils of
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: federalizing education, which I think ultimately the Republicans are going
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: to be in favor of, right now they're very much
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: in favor of school choice, but I think they're going
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: to move towards much more centralized control of education, is
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: the danger that then everybody is under one system And
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: that system is not going to be good. We can
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: almost guarantee that it won't be very good. So, yes,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: in the U.S., not only do we have more school choice,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: but we also have school boards that can, under certain circumstances,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: put together really good curriculum. And some American schools are
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: decent as a consequence. All right.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Amlan.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Amlan.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: So this might be too big a question for at
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: the end of the show, but if you want to
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: delay it, that's fine. We can talk about it next time.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: But you've had a few episodes where you've talked about
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: masculinity and femininity. And one of the things that you
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: said on those episodes, if I recall, a few times was,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: you know, how Steve Jobs can be an example of
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: proper masculinity, I guess, if you want to call it that.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: And I guess my question would be, though, is if
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: I look at somebody like Jobs and How is that–
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: like how would you differentiate masculinity and femininity? Like you
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: could have a woman that has exactly those same characteristics,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: can be the same genius in terms of leading and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: all those things. Like what would be the difference other
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: than the physical difference?
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean I would say that if a woman
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: exhibited that, those are masculine characteristics that women sometimes have.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: That is masculinity is not equal male. And femininity does
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: not equal female. You can have– and most of us
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: have a little bit of each. And the masculinity is
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: that ability to lead, to inspire, to execute, and to
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: have high standards and demanding of other people. It's an
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: orientation towards kind of changing the world, building stuff, creating stuff.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: And women can have that, and they do. I just
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: think there's a reason why– I mean, there are many
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: reasons why, but it could be why men seem to
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: gravitate towards more leadership positions than women because they're more
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: masculine or generally more masculine. But– yeah, go ahead.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Is this a case where then our language is perhaps
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: not setting the right– because– I think if we're communicating
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: to a wider audience, I mean, people generally equate masculinity
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: with male, femininity with female. But when you say characteristics like, okay,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: leadership and all these things are masculine versus feminine, just
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: based on kind of the way I would have understood
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: those words, it seems kind of weird.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: But you know that there are a lot of men
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: that you would say exhibit feminine characteristics.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: But then what is a feminine and a masculine characteristic?
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: And why are we using the terminology of masculine and
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: feminine to describe characteristics like that instead of something that's perhaps.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: A little bit more neutral? Yeah, maybe it's not. Maybe
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: it's not the best. But masculinity is the orientation towards
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: changing physical reality, changing the world out there, the orientation
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: towards the world. And both men and women can have it,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: and particularly in a world And this is where I
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: think the world is changing, particularly in a world where
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: changing the world around us requires thinking versus requires physical action.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: Both men and women can exhibit it. But, you know,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: according to, again, Rand defined femininity as hero worship, as
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: the looking up to the male. It's an orientation towards
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: another man. not towards reality. And masculinity, the orientation towards reality,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: towards changing physical reality, physical towards nature. But, you know, again,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: exactly how that plays out. You know, I don't know.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: I don't have a theory of masculine femininity. You know,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: this requires a real psychologist to figure this out. But
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: the point I was making with Steve Jobs was, Masculinity
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: is usually associated with physical strength. Right. With Conan the Barbarians.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: He's a masculine. And in that world, that's what masculinity meant.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: It meant physical strength because that's what it required to
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: survive and that's what was required in order to change
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: physical reality. In a world in which the actual– Changing
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: the world out there, changing reality does not require muscle.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: It requires reason. That makes the sexes much more equal
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: in terms of their ability to change the world out there.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: And I would say that, you know, Dagny, for example,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: can be very feminine and can be very masculine. She
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: has both characteristics in her. She's masculine when she's running
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: the railroad. She's feminine... you know, and she's dressing up and,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: you know, in her relationship, particularly during sex with the male.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: And look, feminine masculinity probably expresses itself more in sex
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: than in anything else. You know, actual conduct under sex.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: It just, it seems to me that if we're trying
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: to change minds, that These words are so loaded that,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: you know, I think trying to like I'm having a
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: hard time to actually make the leap that what you're saying.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: And if I'm struggling with that, I can imagine that
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: somebody who hasn't been exposed to the thing.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: I think it makes complete sense to struggle with it
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: because it's hard. It's complicated. And we're living through and
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: have lived through the last 50 years or a little
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: bit more than 50 or 60 years. A real change,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: a real change in the nature of work. It's become
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: more an issue of the mind and a real change
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: in the role of women. And I think as part
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: of that, these are concepts that have to be rethought
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: and that rethinking is going to be hard and it's
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: going to be complicated. There's no simple way around it.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: There are certain traits that are associated historically with men,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: but that women have. And therefore, that has to be
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: taken into account.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 7: Don't you think, Euron, it's interesting that Rand had this
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: very firm view of masculinity and femininity, although she didn't
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: go into great detail.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: About it explicitly.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 7: But she was so before her time. She took pride
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 7: in the fact that readers would write her fan letters
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 7: saying Mr. Rand because they assumed she was a man.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: Based on her rationality.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 7: And that didn't make her insecure or uncomfortable in any way.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: She was proud of that.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: But at the same time.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 7: She was very quick to say, you know, she wouldn't
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 7: be comfortable with the woman president. And she had certain
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 7: very firm ideas about kind of the sexual distinction between.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: Men and women.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 7: But she had, you know, Dagny as the vice president
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: of the railroad service. She was very much a modern person,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: but not a feminist.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: So to her, femininity meant the ability to look up
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: to someone, in this case to a man, to look
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: up to some man, right? I mean, she says this,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: and the problem with the president being female is that
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: woman wouldn't have anybody to look up to.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: That is what femininity meant to her. That did not
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: mean you couldn't be proficient in everything else. But I
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: think that a lot of this relates to the bedroom
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: and less to our day-to-day activities. That is, at the core,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: it's an issue that relates to sex.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, who did she look up to then in
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: that regard?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, she looked up to, I mean, she
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: would argue she she looked up to her husband. So, uh,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: husband was not an equal intellectually, but she still looked
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: up to him. That is, he was, he was a,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: you know, I, you'd have to ask her exactly why, but,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: but she viewed it as looking up to her. And
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: she also looked up to John Galt. That is, she
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: created fictional characters that she could look up to.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: Um, And, you know, if you think about Dagny, I mean,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: it's hard to imagine anybody better than Dagny and yet
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: create somebody for her, right, to look up to, which
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: is gold. So, but yeah, it's a tricky concept. And
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: it's a psychological concept, not a philosophical one. And I
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: don't know that our knowledge of psychology is good enough.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: to be able to completely undo this. And it's wrapped
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: up in, you know, with cultural norms and all the
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: cultural norms that exist out there about what a man
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: is and what a woman is and what masculinity is
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: and what femininity is.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the struggle that I'm having here on, right,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: is that the expectations that we have the cultural norm,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: as you say, around these words of masculinity, femininity. And
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: then at the same time, we're trying to argue that, well, okay,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: you know, men and women can have these traits that
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: are called masculinity and these are positive traits and et cetera,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: et cetera. It seems like a really challenging kind of
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: way to have this very important topic get out there
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: in the discussion.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: I don't see how you can get away with it because,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, even if you ignore femininity and masculinity... I mean,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: you've got a number of things going on. You've got one,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: men and women are different.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: They are different. There's something, you know, the fact that
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: they are physiologically different, I think implies that there are
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: real differences in terms of psychology. Women are weaker, men
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: are stronger. Women have a period, men do not. I mean,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: there's a bunch of stuff that just happens that makes
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: us psychologically different. So, There's something fundamentally different between men
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: and women. And yet, when it comes to the important
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: things in life, if reason is man's basic means of survival,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: they're not different in the application of reason. Reason is
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: reason is reason. It doesn't matter. So they're the same
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: in that regard. So one has to figure out how
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: to differentiate between what they are like and where they
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: are like and where they are different and how to
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: think about those things. things that are alike and things
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: that are different. So there's a different psychological orientation between
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: men and women that results from their physiology, that the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: physiology is different, the hormones are different. You know, we
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: get testosterone, they get estrogen. That makes a difference. But
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: it doesn't make a difference when it comes to our
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: capacity to reason. And in a world in which reason
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: plays more and more of a role in society, literal
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: survival and day-to-day survival, the difference between men and women
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: in most practical senses disappear, but there still is a difference.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: And that difference is, yeah.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then, like, I mean, if we're having a
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: discussion about, okay, what's a positive trait and what are
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: negative traits and stuff like that, then why does the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: gender or the sex aspect come into it? I mean,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: isn't it the same as we say, okay, skin color, right? Like, okay,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: we have a CEO.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: No, because we do recognize that there are fundamental differences
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: between men and women.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, what you're saying, if I'm
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: understanding correctly, is that in many realms, those differences are irrelevant.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: That's right. And in many realms, we shouldn't care about sex.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: So when you're hiring somebody, What you care about is
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: their ability to do the job. And to the extent
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: that that job requires rational thinking, not heavy lifting, then
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: it shouldn't matter if you're hiring a man or a woman. Right.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: But if we're hiring somebody and we're saying, okay, we
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: want them to have masculine characteristics, given the cultural norm.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: Well, but I would never say that. So I would
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: never say I want my higher-ed masculine characteristics. You know,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: but you would say you want, you know, so I
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know what the context of the
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: masculine characteristics.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 6: Would be, right?
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: So it's masculinity and femininity are not something that in
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: practice are you know, particularly, again, they're more psychological. You know,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: you can look at a woman and say she's very feminine.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: What makes her feminine? And, you know, and you can
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: look at a man and say, you know, he's masculine
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: and think about what makes him masculine. And what I'm
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: saying is what makes him masculine is his orientation towards
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: the world out there and his leadership skills, his certain presence.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: that he has. And what makes somebody feminine is, um, who, uh, who, uh,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: dressing up and making herself attractive to, I mean, when
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: is Dagny feminine? At the parties when she's dressed up,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: you know? And, and so, so those are the concepts. And,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: you know, my corrective about Steve Jobs is just, it's
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: not about his ability to, uh, kill a bunch of
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: people with a sword, it's about his ability to use
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: his mind to produce great things. That's what makes him masculine.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: But there's differences. The two things do exist.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 7: When you describe kind of an admiration for Steve Jobs,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 7: you also refer specifically to a context where he was
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 7: giving those presentations at the rollout of some of these things,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: his products, And I think in particular, in that context,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 7: he emitted a certain masculinity, a certain control over what
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 7: he was saying, and a mastery, and an ability to.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think Omlin's point is, you could have
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: a woman up there on stage do exactly the same thing,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: and she would emit exactly the same thing.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Would that be masculine, though, or without... I don't know.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the question, right? That's the question. But if
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: masculinity is all those things that you mentioned, Andrew, then
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: if a woman did it, why wouldn't it be masculine?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: If it's Dagny up there... I think it's because it
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: would emit some sort of feminine... It could emit some feminine...
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess I don't know. I mean,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: if Dagny's up there and she could pull it off, right?
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: She clearly... When Dagny gets off the train... And says
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: to the engineer, why is the train not moving? The
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: signal is so-and-so. And do it. Is that her being masculine?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: Would you describe it that way? She's doing the Steve
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: Jobs thing, right? She's making decisions, you know, in the moment.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: Would you describe that as masculine?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 7: I'm actually picturing her like there's a scene in the
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: book where she's climbing on debris.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: Like she's cleaning up.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: But none of that is feminine. You would never call
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: it feminine. So what these categories have some meaning. And
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: the question is, how do we update that with that
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: meaning to, you know, the kind of world in which
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: we live today?
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 7: Does it matter much?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: You're on. No, not at the end of the day.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Probably not.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 7: Well, because it's a personal thing. It's like it's talked
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: about too much, like a social phenomenon.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: When I think it's more of a personal thing, you know, phenomenon.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not sure that it doesn't matter, right? Like, okay,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: look at all this stuff around toxic masculinity that affects
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: our law and our policy.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 7: But those are the neurotic people.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 6: Culture who are discussing the issue.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: But there is such a thing as toxic masculinity. That's
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: the problem. The problem is we have to be able
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: to separate these things. When that masculinity manifests itself in
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: physical violence or in disrespect for others, that is this
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: commanding presence can manifest itself into abusive behavior. Then calling
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: it toxic masculinity is probably not the term we would use.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: But I get where it's coming from. I wouldn't dismiss
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: the idea completely out of hand. There's some phenomena in
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: reality that they're identifying that is right.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: I'd like to add that.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: Many Korean TV serials portray highly competent women as And
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: there's at least one American TV critic who refers to
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: this as competence porn. Men love to see competent women,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: at least on Korean TV series.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you'll notice that American TV generally puts
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: men down. And it's not that the women are so competent,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: it's just the men are so stupid. Generally, I'm sitcoms
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: have men being unbelievably stupid. But that, you know, and
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: that is a phenomena. So I'm not sure what is
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: troubling you, Amlan.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: It's not a question of troubling. It's more, you know,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: like if we're trying to convince people of things. And
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: this kind of goes back to my first point around language, right?
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: Like how people understand certain words and terms and things
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, my view is we're not trying to convince
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: the general public about masculinity, femininity. It's too downstream from
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: where we are. This is not a front row. I mean,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: let's convince them about capitalism, about egoism, about reason. We'll
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: get to femininity, masculinity, you know, 100 years from now.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it just, you, you had spent, uh, and I
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: enjoyed the shows a lot, you know, where you, where
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: you talked about.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm combating more people who are really familiar
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: with Ayn Rand and familiar with a lot of these topics,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: but are stuck on certain cultural, I think, uh, you know, conventions. And, uh,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: I think there's a whole group of men out there who, uh, who, who, uh,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: you know, whether it's the incels or the men going
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: their own way or all these weird groups. But there's
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: a group, I think, within kind of the big objectivist
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: umbrella who have this view of, you know, we need
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: swords and we need to go fight because that's how
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: we express our masculinity. And that's what I'm combating. And
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: it's also, there's a bunch of people online who if
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: you told them there's this great woman who you could,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: you know, would love you and you could, you could
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: have a relationship with and everything, but she's going to
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: make more money than you would go. And they would,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: they would abandon love. They would abandon everything, not to
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: have their wife make more money than them. Right.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: You're wrong.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: You're a man. You're a man.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 7: And you're being harder on the men than the women.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 7: What about the whole unhealthy contingent of women who are,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 7: you know, aggressive and who are thinking that they are,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: you know, on par physically with men. And, you know,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's, there's, there's, there's neurotic people.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: I am more forgiving of the women. And I'll tell
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: you why, because look, women over the last 60 years
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: have gone through a massive shift, a massive change that,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: that they are trying to figure out without much guidance
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: by the, from the intellectuals. And that men are trying
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: to figure out. So again, I'm harder on the men,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: but men have to figure this out. And that is
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: that suddenly women have been liberated for a long time.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: They weren't expected to be anything. They were supposed to
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: be at home and take care of the kids and
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: do the housework and not pursue a career and not
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: have a real life. And suddenly they broke those chains.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: And good for them for doing that. And now they're
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out their relationship with men. And I
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: think men are trying to figure out relationship with women.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: And this is the whole context of why these issues
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: are coming up. There's a massive cultural change going on
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: right now. More women at universities in America than men, overwhelmingly.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: Universities are dominated by women, not men. They're going into
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: different professions, but they're highly educated. They're ambitious. They're career-oriented.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: Many of them are going to make more money than
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: their potential husbands. And women and men are going to
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: have to figure this out. Now, those women who are
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: particularly aggressive, who think that they're stronger than men, well,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: at some point they'll realize they're not. And, you know,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of experimentation going on right now, as
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: there should be, as men and women trying to figure
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: out what their roles are in a modern world where
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: sex differences matter less than they ever have in human history.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: And it's going to be messy. And that's just the reality.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: So I'm sympathetic to the men who have low self-esteem,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: and I'm sympathetic to the women who are trying to
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: figure out their role in the world. But the fact
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: is that men are in a better position to deal
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: with it than I think women are, and are not
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: dealing with it very well. I don't know if that
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: answers you, Andrew, but I'll buy it.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: Probably, probably a follow on discussion at some point. I didn't,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean to have the conversation.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: There's going to be a lot of following discussion because
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: it's a, it's a tricky issue. It's, it's, it's not, it's,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: it's hard. And, uh, you know, just defining the difference
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: between men and women and what, what they are and
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: what they, what they, How much of that is defined
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: by culture and how much of that is defined by
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: biology is an interesting topic in and of itself.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: And I mean, one thing that maybe I'll put it
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: off the list for next time is, you know, like
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: just how these relationships are portrayed in kind of Hollywood,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: if I can call it that. Because I think that's
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: quite interesting there, the dichotomies that I see.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: Well, what you're seeing is more and more of the
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: heroes are women and the men are weak. So I
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: see Hollywood as buying into, you know, women are strong
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: and capable of anything and men are pathetic and weak.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: And that's been the case. Yeah.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, in a lot of those shows,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: you'll also see things like, you know, the women, like, okay,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: the women are referred to as, you know, Mrs. John somebody, right?
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: And when they get married or, you know, there's, you know,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: just a portrayal of them.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: Less and less of that. Less and less of that.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's okay. Well, anyway, like to be continued,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: I'll shut up. All right.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: We have two quick, uh, super chats. Yeah. Sorry, but no, no,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: it's good. Maverick's asked when undervalued, how do you give
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: yourself visibility? I think by, by achieving things. And then
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: to the extent that it's necessary by letting people know
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: your value, that is by being more aggressive in, uh,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: pointing out the value that you represent. So, so, so increasing,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: you know, coming off as, as, um, uh, arrogant, but
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: I think you have to do that to let people know, Hey,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: I'm valuable. If, if they don't see it themselves, you
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: have to ask the question why they're not seeing it. Um,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: All right. Apollo Zeus says, can a little nerdy guy
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: be happy with a tall, muscular, athletic woman? I don't
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: know why not. I don't, I, you know, I really,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: I really don't see either one of those as the
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: defining thing in love. You know, I, I, maybe I'm wrong, but, uh, I, I,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think that, uh, That that is going to,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: it depends on the man, it depends on the woman,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: it depends on their psychology, it depends on what they
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: find appealing and what they're attracted to in the other sex.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot, there's a lot, you know, to be,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of work to be done in the
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: psychology of romance, a lot to be worked to be
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: done in the psychology of male-female relationships. And I'm not
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: an expert on that psychology, not a psychologist. I don't
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: have the research available to me. But I don't see
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: in and of itself why not.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 6: I think most people should be focusing on self-esteem first.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if people have self-esteem, then the question
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: is who are you attracted to and who are you
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: not attracted to. But first you have to make yourself worthy,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: if you will, worthy of yourself. All right. To be continued. Thanks, everybody.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: Thanks to our panel. And thanks to all the Super Chatters.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 6: I didn't even get any question.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 7: Oh, you know what?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: I was very late. You were very late. I thought
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: you started at three.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: You started at two.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 7: I apologize.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 6: Can I get one?
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: Quick question, Andrew. Okay. I thought you were just coming
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: in to comment on the masculinity femininity.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: No, actually, I was.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: Like, I don't know. I thought I wasn't that late,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: but I am.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: My bad.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 7: So, you know, I think that hatred of the good
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 7: for being the good is actually an underrated concept. Like,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 7: I feel like even some objectivist intellectuals look at it
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 7: a little skeptically when it was an important concept to rant, clearly.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 7: I mean, and I could be wrong about objectivist intellectuals
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 7: in that regard, but, like, my impression is it's almost like, oh,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 7: people just use that as a shortcut to explain every
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 7: phenomenon in the culture, but it's like I think we
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 7: should respect the fact that Rand identified that as an
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 7: important phenomenon. And I view what is going on with
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 7: the discussion about AI interconnected with that. And I wanted
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 7: to get your impression because, the intellectuals and the media
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 7: and I know there are valid issues. You've talked about
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 7: what the valid issues are.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: Take a heavy, calm, rational approach to addressing valid issues
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 7: with respect to AI. But how much of this is
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 7: the hatred for capitalism, the hatred for the profit motive,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: the hatred for human progress and production and what this
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: is going to make available to the human race in
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 7: terms of modernity and technology and wealth.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: How do you view that issue?
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's certainly there with a lot of people,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: but I mean, are the heads of the AI companies envious?
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: Who are they envious of? What, what is it? What
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: is it that they hated hate hating? Um, I think
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  Speaker 3: it has a lot more to do with fear than
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: with hatred right now. And sometimes the one leads to
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  Speaker 3: the other, but I, I think they just don't have
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  Speaker 3: the self-esteem and the understanding of human nature and understanding of, of, of, of, uh,
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  Speaker 3: and the confidence. Um, And that is causing them to
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  Speaker 3: feel afraid. So I think the dominant emotion right now
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  Speaker 3: is fear. Certainly there's envy out there towards all these
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: business leaders. But why the businesses? I mean, who is
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: Bill Gates envious of? I mean, is Bill Gates really
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  Speaker 3: envious of these AI companies? That's why he wants them regulated?
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  Speaker 3: Or is he just being hyper-conventional and fearful?
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  Speaker 6: I'm focused on the intellectuals.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about them?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the intellectuals are suddenly envious
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  Speaker 3: of businessmen. And so they're envious of that. I think
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  Speaker 3: they're also fearful because they're worried about AI taking their
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: jobs away from them. Rather than seeing it as a tool,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: they see it as something somehow replacing them. And you're right.
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  Speaker 3: They hate capitalism. They want the state to control it.
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  Speaker 3: So the intellectuals are definitely motivated by hatred of capitalism,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: hatred of private property, hatred of private enterprise, private success.
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  Speaker 3: In that sense, absolutely. What the hell? Zoom allows, I
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: don't know, Zoom suddenly woke up and wants all of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff. So I agree with you. Regarding the intellectuals, yes.
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  Speaker 3: They are motivated by hatred. And hatred of private property,
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  Speaker 3: hatred of capitalism, and everything in that regards, that's what
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  Speaker 3: drives them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: But they're not driving the conversation right now. The conversation
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  Speaker 3: right now is driven by, shockingly, is driven by the
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  Speaker 3: business leaders themselves.
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  Speaker 6: No, but I think they are so brainwashed by the intellectuals.
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  Speaker 7: Like, they are acting.
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  Speaker 6: On those premises that have been inculcated in them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. But I don't think that's
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  Speaker 3: what motivates them. I don't think they're motivated by the hatred. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 3: But they are being driven by the ideas that come
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: from that hatred being inculcated into the culture. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's right.
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  Speaker 6: I think that they are viewing themselves as potential evildoers
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  Speaker 6: because of what the intellectuals have you know, the messaging
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  Speaker 6: of the intellectuals about AI.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely right. I think that's absolutely right.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: All right, guys. Remember, tomorrow, show with Nikos, 2 p.m.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: East Coast time, not 3 p.m. So catch us tomorrow, too.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: We're talking about the Yom Kippur War, which has a
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: fascinating history. It's the war between Israel, Egypt, and Syria.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: I will see you then. Have a great weekend. Bye, everybody.