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Understanding spiritual warfare with Dr. Sam Storms & The Spiritual War in Iran with Lana Silk · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S5: So a neighbor set up a sign. Have you ever
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  S5: had something happen where you go, man, that must be
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  S5: aimed at me. But it wasn't at all. Well.
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  S2: Yes.
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  S5: No. Seriously?
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  S3: Yeah. Definitely.
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  S5: Yes. Where something something is something happens and you go, oh,
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  S5: that that must be. That must be for me. Yes.
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  S5: And I love my dog blaze a lot. And he
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  S5: has to go outside and relieve himself. Right. And so
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  S5: my neighbor, who I've got a great relationship with, his
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  S5: name is Nick. In case you're listening. Nick. I love you, man. Uh,
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  S5: but he's he's he's a terrific guy. And he, he
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  S5: set up two cameras. One looks at the people that
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  S5: are that are coming to the door, and then another
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  S5: camera is who is letting dogs go to the bathroom
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  S5: on my lawn and not picking it up?
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  S2: Oh, was there a sign or something?
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  S5: Well, now a sign showed up. Oh, just a few
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  S5: days ago. And it's one of these. Be a good neighbor.
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  S5: Clean up after your dog. And it says neighbor. And
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  S5: I'm the closest neighbor he has. And, uh, it's funny
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  S5: because the back story on this one is we've talked
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  S5: a lot about it. He's like, somebody has got their
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  S5: dog and they're going on the lawn and we're talking
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  S5: a little patch of lawn. We're in these vertical townhouses
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  S5: with this little patch of ground, kind of like the
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  S5: patch of ground in front of your house. Yeah. And
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  S5: it's like, it's not a big patch of grass.
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  S2: This is Chicago, people.
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  S5: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Our our lawn looks like a
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  S5: king size bed. Yeah, that's all it looks like. That's
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  S5: all it is. So I'm, I'm, I'm thinking, I'm thinking this.
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  S5: And then I'm going back in my mind with okay,
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  S5: did I, did he ever go there? And I didn't
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  S5: get it. And then I'm realizing, no, no everything's good.
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  S5: What he's focused on now, I'm very vigilant to make
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  S5: sure because I know Nick's camera's looking at me all
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  S5: the time, right? So I'm very vigilant and I'm very
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  S5: vigilant to pick up poop anyway, to the degree to
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  S5: where I pick up poop of other dogs.
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  S2: Okay, so this is where we might want to explain
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  S2: because if you don't live in a big city, this
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  S2: sounds absolutely crazy to you that you would.
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  S4: It's a good point.
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  S2: So it is actually a city ordinance in Chicago that
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  S2: you have to clean up after your pets if you're
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  S2: out walking your dog.
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  S5: I didn't know it was a city ordinance.
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  S2: It is. Double check that for me. Jonathan.
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  S3: I'm not.
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  S2: Sure the number on it.
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  S5: But because there's an ordinance for everything in Chicago.
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  S2: And so you so you see people walking around with
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  S2: little baggies, and then they slip their hand inside the baggie,
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  S2: they clean it up and then it gets thrown away
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  S2: because otherwise it's this is going to get gross. But rats.
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  S2: That's the main thing. It control. If you just have
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  S2: it everywhere, not only is it unsightly and disgusting, it
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  S2: also breeds. Okay.
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  S3: It is a city ordinance.
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  S5: You just educated me. I did not know that it
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  S5: bred rats.
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  S2: Yes. So that's why you kind of have to do
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  S2: it in bigger cities, because you can't just have that
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  S2: laying around. So anyway, so that's why it's a very.
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  S2: Maybe other places too, but definitely a Chicago thing to
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  S2: be cleaning that up. So go ahead Carl.
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  S5: Yeah. Well thank you. Thank you for that backstory. That's very,
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  S5: very informative. That's good. We don't want rats to grow, grow, grow. No,
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  S5: we do not. So here's the funny thing. And it's
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  S5: just it's just a funny little thing. It's a cautionary
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  S5: tale because that sign wasn't for me.
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  S3: Right.
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  S5: But if you're not careful, you can get really insecure
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  S5: and start reading a lot of things into you that
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  S5: aren't for you. This can happen in marriage. This can
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  S5: happen in friendships. A friend can say something. It drives
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  S5: me crazy when somebody does this and you walk away
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  S5: from the conversation go, I wonder if I drive them crazy. Oh,
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  S5: I do drive them crazy. Oh my goodness.
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  S3: Were they trying to passively, aggressively tell me that?
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  S5: Were they trying to send me a signal? And in reality, uh,
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  S5: that is me they were talking about. Now sometimes that is.
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  S5: And sometimes there's things to benefit from. But I just
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  S5: thought it was a funny little thing that happens because
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  S5: the minute I saw that sign, I. First off, I
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  S5: stopped physically with the dog and then I thought, move
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  S5: along because there's a pet, there's this king size bed
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  S5: of grass right there. And, and it's, it's just life
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  S5: on this side of glory is going to give you
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  S5: the yips. Yeah. You know what I mean?
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  S2: Did you ever ask him about it? I'm curious.
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  S5: Oh no, I, well I have in the past. So
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  S5: I think I'm going to joke with him when I
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  S5: see him today and say, I used your sign on air,
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  S5: you know.
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  S3: Okay.
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  S5: Because but but it's not I had to here's the point.
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  S5: I had to stop, gather myself and go. No, this
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  S5: isn't about me. I, I clean up after my dog.
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  S5: I will say I was out one morning, um, two
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  S5: mornings really early over the what have I had them
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  S5: now 11 months. I've had this guy and I got
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  S5: out there and I didn't have a bag.
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  S3: Sure.
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  S5: That happens one time what I tried and I recommend
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  S5: not doing this. I reached in and I found a.
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  S5: I found a receipt I didn't.
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  S3: Oh yeah. Don't use the receipt.
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  S5: And I thought I'm going to pick this up. Thin
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  S5: paper guys that that receipt turned into nothingness. And now
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  S5: I've got a hand full of this.
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  S2: Oh, boy. That is um, you.
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  S5: So you gotta be careful. So I didn't come out with.
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  S5: Did you say bow wow?
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  S2: I said wow.
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  S3: Wow. You said bow wow.
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  S5: You said bow wow. So I, I walked out and I,
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  S5: and I didn't have it and I felt so convicted.
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  S5: Here I am. No one's awake. I mean, it's like
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  S5: 4:00 in the morning and no one can see me
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  S5: but the angels. And, and I'm.
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  S3: I'm like, what.
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  S5: Do I do? And I grabbed the little receipt and
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  S5: then I got a handful because that thing, let me
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  S5: just tell you, don't use receipts to pick up your
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  S5: dog poop.
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  S3: Go inside and get it just dissolves.
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  S2: Get a bag.
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  S5: Unless they're really firmed up. I would say just.
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  S3: Unless it's.
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  S2: Winter.
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  S4: Okay, we got it.
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  S2: Okay.
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  S5: And I'm trying to be careful here. I'm just. This
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  S5: is real life for every dog owner.
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  S3: Oh, yeah, 100%. It's real.
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  S5: So I did leave a couple piles out, but then
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  S5: I went back and now I felt like I needed
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  S5: to do penance. So I started looking for other people's dogs.
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  S6: That other people.
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  S5: That had left something behind.
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  S3: I gotta clean up. Funny how.
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  S6: Life works.
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  S3: You know, I, so I, I relate to this, Carl,
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  S3: because I also have a dog and, you know, I
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  S3: don't have a fenced in yard that I can just
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  S3: go and clean up later. So it's, you got to
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  S3: get the bags. And so I, I was out walking
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  S3: my dog and my dog started to go and I
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  S3: didn't have a bag, but there was some bag stations
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  S3: kind of littered throughout the neighborhood. And there was one
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  S3: like a block and a half away. And so I'm like, well,
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  S3: I have to go get a bag. I'm gonna go
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  S3: get one and come back. But my dogs pooping. And
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  S3: so I'm like, okay.
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  S5: And you look and.
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  S3: You look.
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  S6: Really guilty and.
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  S5: You look like a bad.
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  S3: I do, and so I'm looking around and I'm like,
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  S3: all right, buddy, let's go get a bag. And and
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  S3: a guy, I don't know, the neighbor. I'm not friends
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  S3: with him. I don't know him. He peeks out of
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  S3: his window and says, you're gonna pick that up, right?
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  S6: Oh, oh, that's embarrassing. And I was.
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  S5: Did you explain?
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  S3: I did, I said, I said absolutely. I said, I
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  S3: don't have a bag. It's down a block and a half.
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  S3: I'm gonna get it and come back. But I'm like,
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  S3: you know, that's just what a person would say if
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  S3: they're caught not doing it. I was like, I was like.
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  S6: He's gonna think.
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  S3: I'm not doing it. But I.
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  S6: Really was. It's horrible.
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  S5: Because now you're convinced this guy thinks I'm an.
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  S6: Idiot. Yes.
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  S5: And I can't talk him out of it. Right. And
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  S5: the more you say, I'm gonna go get one, it's
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  S5: a block and a half away, and I'll be back
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  S5: the more you sound guilty.
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  S3: Exactly.
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  S6: And so awful.
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  S3: I came back and he started. He was driving away,
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  S3: getting ready to drive away. And I held him. I
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  S3: was like, I got it, I'm coming back to do it.
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  S3: I promise I'm not. I'm not a bad person.
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  S5: I got one other thing that I did. So I
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  S5: put I put one poop bag of my dog into
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  S5: a neighbor's bin. And I just got a comment about
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  S5: this on our text line here. And so I put
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  S5: it in the bin. And this guy says he hates
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  S5: it when people put dog poop bags in their bin. Well, I,
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  S5: I just it was open and the people were the
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  S5: trash guys were going to be coming.
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  S6: Yeah, you can do that at the trash in there.
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  S5: And one of my neighbors grabbed the bag because I
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  S5: come back from the walk and the bags out of
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  S5: the bin sitting on the sidewalk.
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  S6: Oh.
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  S4: Seriously?
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S5: So they must have seen me.
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  S6: See, that's a little weird.
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  S5: And I was I felt pretty okay about that.
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  S3: The trash people are coming.
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  S5: Yeah, but it don't didn't go well with him, I
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  S5: don't think.
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  S2: Wow.
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  S5: Because it was sitting there waiting for me that it
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  S5: came back.
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  S3: I didn't do that with the poop bag, but I
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  S3: did do that with a little, a small extra little
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  S3: thing of trash that I couldn't fit in my own
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  S3: can today. It's getting picked up this morning. And I
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  S3: was like, well, that person's got a lot of space.
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  S3: So I just put it in there.
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  S5: So the moral of the story is don't, don't hear
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  S5: everything and see everything in superimpose. That's me. That's. That's me.
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  S5: That yard signs for me. I'm the neighbor.
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  S6: Everyone's talking about.
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  S2: Unless you are, in fact, the neighbor.
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  S6: Yeah. In fact.
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  S5: You are.
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  S6: The neighbor. Then take the lesson.
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  S5: And if in fact, you are the neighbor. Uh, go
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  S5: get the poop bags.
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  S2: Read the sign. Heed the warning.
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  S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
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  S1: God showed her. She didn't have to. Ali is in
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  S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S5: Oh my goodness, guys, I gotta tell you, I'm heartbroken
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  S5: over Iran. And I am absolutely convinced that what's lost
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  S5: in the middle of all this gas prices, oil war,
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  S5: non war, election time, all of this. What's lost is
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  S5: the people of Iran. They are pawns in this horrific, horrific.
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  S5: And when I say horrific, that is not an overstatement.
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  S5: The regime in Iran is one of the most oppressive, cruel,
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  S5: filled with debauchery and evil. It's it's heartbreaking, isn't it, Ali,
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  S5: to see this stuff.
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  S2: It is. And I that you're right that that's oftentimes
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  S2: what gets lost in the coverage in the news coverage
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  S2: in the news cycle.
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  S5: Lana Silk with us right now. Lana. Uh, so I
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  S5: want you to spend some time, go on a riff
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  S5: here for a moment. What is the brutality of the
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  S5: regime in Iran that great men and women and even
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  S5: brothers and sisters are living under right now? Go. Go, sister.
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  S5: What is it?
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  S7: Good morning. Uh, yes. Well, where does where do I start?
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  S7: They are determined to control every aspect of people's lives
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  S7: and thinking. So the mentality is Sharia law, Shiite Islam
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  S7: and ensuring that the whole nation stays true to what
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  S7: they believe is the right way to live. And they
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  S7: control it brutally when people disobey. So that goes down
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  S7: to what they study, where they travel, how they dress,
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  S7: certainly who they worship. Any kind of behavior that is
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  S7: anti Shiite Islam is punished by um arrests, torture, execution,
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  S7: seizing of property. Um, any way that they can get
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  S7: people to submit and bother me to this um mentality, this,
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  S7: this regime, they will do it. They really, they don't
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  S7: cross worry by any lines and they cross every single
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  S7: one of them. It seems.
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  S2: Lana Silk is president and chief executive officer with Transform Iran.
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  S2: So day to day life for the people of Iran
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  S2: under this kind of regime. Tell us a little bit
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  S2: about that.
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  S7: Ali. There's a lot of fear today because they have
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  S7: seen the lengths to which their government is going to
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  S7: go to silence and control them right from during the protests,
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  S7: when they would have snipers on rooftops, just picking people
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  S7: out off the street if they felt they shouldn't have
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  S7: been where they were, pulling people off on the roadside
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  S7: and beating them up. I mean, literally anything is. The
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  S7: government allows themselves to do. They are now recruiting children
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  S7: in schools. They're doing, um, demonstrations of how to use
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  S7: machine guns at school and getting children to fall in
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  S7: line and do some of the activities, some of the
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  S7: chants and marches, and the parents are threatened if they
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  S7: want to exclude their children from such behavior. So there's
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  S7: this constant concern, worry looking over their shoulder. Are they
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  S7: going to get stopped? Is something that they're doing going
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  S7: to be deemed not okay. People are being executed. I
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  S7: think I read last night it was a rate of
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  S7: about two a week. People who have been protesting their government.
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  S7: There was a couple that were arrested in January. The husband,
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  S7: they were engaged. They finally got married while they were
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  S7: both in prison because they were so worried they'd never
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  S7: get out. And sure enough, the day after they were married,
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  S7: he was executed and she is still in prison. She
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  S7: has a five year sentence, all because they spoke up
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  S7: against her government. So there's a lot of fear and
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  S7: a lot of uncertainty because people feel that maybe there
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  S7: really is no hope that they'll ever get out of this.
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  S5: Well, we're talking spiritual war this week. Boom crew. And
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  S5: we brought in Lana to talk about the probably one
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  S5: of the greatest evidences of overt spiritual war and how
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  S5: we bear up under it. More with Lana Silk about
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  S5: the spiritual war in Iran straight ahead.
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  S1: You're listening to Curl and Crew on Moody Radio.
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  S5: History repeats itself. Lana Silk with us here to talk
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  S5: about Iran and spiritual war. Lana, I go to King Nebuchadnezzar,
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  S5: Babylonian captivity, compulsory religious conformity, death for defiance. No freedom
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  S5: of conscience, absolute demands for allegiance, power reinforced by intimidation.
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  S5: That's all from one chapter in Daniel. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
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  S5: How in the world do the people of Iran bear
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  S5: up under this regime right now? This is a war,
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  S5: a spiritual war.
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  S7: Yes, Carl, it really is. And Nebuchadnezzar is a really
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  S7: great example of what pride does to man, and not
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  S7: just the determination to defy God, God's rule, and set
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  S7: yourself up as something more important and then wanting everyone
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  S7: to conform. That's exactly what's happening in Iran. But I
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  S7: think Daniel's example is really beautiful there. There's no bitterness,
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  S7: there's no violence. You know, there is only this complete sacrificial,
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  S7: whatever it takes devotion to God and determination to worship
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  S7: and honor God, no matter what the consequences. That really
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  S7: is the reality that people in Iran are living with today.
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  S2: You know, no bitterness and no violence, no violence. I mean,
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  S2: you mentioned, Daniel, when you talk to people in your
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  S2: home country, people who are trying to serve the Lord
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  S2: faithfully under under this kind of oppression, the. No bitterness
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  S2: and no, I mean.
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  S5: How.
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  S2: Yeah. I mean, how how I mean it just talk
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  S2: us through a little bit what those conversations are like.
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  S7: I think it's really important for us in every circumstance
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  S7: to guard our hearts. And, you know, the enemy will
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  S7: use whatever circumstance we find ourselves in to cause us
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  S7: to defy the law, to question him. Even if we
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  S7: get right back to Eve, we can see how he
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  S7: asks her, did God really say? Constantly questioning God's authority,
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  S7: God's promises, God's character. And that's the same whatever circumstance
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  S7: we find ourselves in and in Iran is being tested
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  S7: for sure. But the relationship that the people of God
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  S7: have in Iran, um, is remains the same. They've worked
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  S7: hard to commit completely to God. They've experienced God. You know,
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  S7: when it says taste and see that the Lord is good.
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  S7: They've experienced his goodness in their lives so they understand
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  S7: what it is to love him and want to be
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  S7: for him. And when you have that kind of relationship,
• 16:24
  S7: there's a lot of gratitude in there. And gratitude is
• 16:26
  S7: really the antidote to allowing any kind of bitterness or
• 16:30
  S7: anger to fester, because I think bitterness and anger, a
• 16:33
  S7: lot of it comes out of entitlement. Like somehow we're
• 16:35
  S7: due a certain kind of treatment or a certain kind
• 16:38
  S7: of life or a circumstance in our lives. And when
• 16:41
  S7: that goes away and gratitude reigns, then it's easier to
• 16:45
  S7: protect our hearts against bitterness and anger.
• 16:48
  S5: That is a sobering statement, Lana. You just made. Isn't
• 16:51
  S5: that ally?
• 16:52
  S2: It really.
• 16:52
  S5: Is. I mean, because it's like, wow, you get that
• 16:55
  S5: stripped away. And then what do you have? Lana? Um,
• 16:59
  S5: Daniel got a measure of God's favor and saw miracles happen.
• 17:04
  S5: Are you seeing examples in this great spiritual war in
• 17:08
  S5: Iran where people who cling to God still without bitterness,
• 17:14
  S5: which is just a that's a miraculous grace of God.
• 17:18
  S5: Can't we all just say that that is a miraculous
• 17:21
  S5: grace of God? Are you witnessing almost Daniel esque deliverance
• 17:28
  S5: from situations that you can only chalk up to God.
• 17:32
  S7: You know? Uh, Carl, I knew you were going to
• 17:34
  S7: ask me that question. And I was thinking, well, let
• 17:37
  S7: me check with my team. What are the latest stories?
• 17:40
  S7: And what's been really interesting to me is that sort
• 17:43
  S7: of level of miraculous that we have been used to
• 17:46
  S7: in Iran with dreams and visions. That still happens. But
• 17:50
  S7: I'm not hearing those stories as every day right now
• 17:53
  S7: as I was before. And I was expecting that God
• 17:55
  S7: would sort of really sort of ramp it up and
• 17:58
  S7: start appearing in people's rooms constantly and comfort them. There
• 18:03
  S7: is something interesting that's happening in the climate, where I
• 18:05
  S7: feel that the Lord is inviting people to trust him,
• 18:09
  S7: even without those kinds of extras. And the way that
• 18:13
  S7: he is meeting them in miraculous ways is through the body.
• 18:16
  S7: The testimonies that are more prevalent now are when people
• 18:20
  S7: have been at their most desperate situations and needed very specific,
• 18:24
  S7: practical ways. Um. Practical things, you know, whether it's a
• 18:28
  S7: rent they need to pay or a medical situation. And
• 18:30
  S7: then another, a brother or sister has made a phone
• 18:33
  S7: call and said, I have provision for you. I felt
• 18:36
  S7: the Lord put you on my heart. Or someone from
• 18:38
  S7: America has made a donation. And here we are. I
• 18:41
  S7: have a food parcel for you. Can I come and
• 18:43
  S7: bless you? And it's always been at the most incredible,
• 18:46
  S7: perfect time. And the testimonies have been full of wow.
• 18:49
  S7: I know for sure that God sees me in Toba Elroy.
• 18:52
  S7: You know, he sees me, he understands my situation and
• 18:55
  S7: he is there. He is my deliverer.
• 18:58
  S2: I know you follow the coverage of this. And I,
• 19:01
  S2: we we don't get political on this show, but when
• 19:03
  S2: you hear the how things are framed or covered, what
• 19:07
  S2: narrative do you feel like most misses it or most
• 19:11
  S2: needs to be clarified that maybe we would be tempted
• 19:13
  S2: to believe.
• 19:15
  S7: Well, I think we have to keep remembering that the
• 19:17
  S7: people of Iran are not represented by the government of Iran.
• 19:20
  S7: That is a constant reminder we need. I think that
• 19:23
  S7: there is a lot of awareness that's happening around that,
• 19:26
  S7: so I'm less concerned about that than I was a
• 19:28
  S7: few months ago. But I do want to keep reminding
• 19:31
  S7: people that what we hear coming out of Iran, the hatred,
• 19:34
  S7: the the desire to dominate the evil, that the statements
• 19:38
  S7: that are coming out, they do not represent the people
• 19:40
  S7: of Iran, for sure. But the other side of it
• 19:43
  S7: is believers, is for us to know that God is working.
• 19:46
  S7: And there is a vibrant, active, thriving body of Christ
• 19:50
  S7: in Iran today that is dealing with the suppression, but
• 19:54
  S7: with grace and courage and faith and praying and still
• 19:58
  S7: ministering and still witnessing and still stepping out and desperately
• 20:03
  S7: believing that God is going to come and do something
• 20:06
  S7: miraculous and acting accordingly. You know, when you pray for
• 20:09
  S7: God to do something, are you changing your behavior so
• 20:13
  S7: that you're living in anticipation of the answer to that prayer?
• 20:17
  S7: And that's what I see in Iran today. Believers who
• 20:19
  S7: are expecting for God to move in miraculous ways and
• 20:23
  S7: preparing themselves to take the land for him.
• 20:26
  S5: Lana, you're right. When I asked you that question, I
• 20:29
  S5: was hoping you were going to tell me. Yeah, we've
• 20:32
  S5: got Republican Guard that's fallen on their knees in the
• 20:36
  S5: face of humble, contrite people who love God. But what
• 20:41
  S5: you're saying is these one another passages are the living,
• 20:45
  S5: breathing heart blood of the church in Iran. And that's
• 20:50
  S5: more than good enough. It's the grace of God, isn't it, Lana?
• 20:55
  S8: It is.
• 20:55
  S7: And it's God reminding us how important the body is
• 20:59
  S7: and how he has designed us to depend on one
• 21:02
  S7: another and to love one another in a way that
• 21:05
  S7: is truly sacrificial, truly other centered. It has been really
• 21:09
  S7: beautiful to watch. You know, when the the family that
• 21:12
  S7: is struggling, clearly the pastor comes and visits and that
• 21:15
  S7: family says, you know what, here's my tithe. Go and
• 21:17
  S7: take it to someone who needs more than me. And
• 21:19
  S7: you know full well that family needs that over and
• 21:22
  S7: over again. Called the testimonies of sacrifice, of courage, of love,
• 21:26
  S7: true biblical love for the body. It's very humbling. And
• 21:30
  S7: I think it's a beautiful expression of what God is
• 21:33
  S7: like and what his body should look like.
• 21:36
  S5: This is amazing. This is so humbling, right, guys?
• 21:41
  S2: Absolutely.
• 21:42
  S5: How humbling is this man? This will drop you. Man.
• 21:46
  S5: This makes the stuff that and and I don't like
• 21:49
  S5: to do that because it's the old you know, what
• 21:51
  S5: about the kids? And I mean, you know, we've heard
• 21:54
  S5: this before, but I think there are occasions we can
• 21:58
  S5: look at people in different situations and it can give
• 22:02
  S5: us perspective, healthy perspective. Right? I mean, it can and
• 22:07
  S5: we've got one today. You know what? Lana mentioned something
• 22:11
  S5: in a little fly by, but I want to be
• 22:14
  S5: really direct. Some of you wonder what we can do
• 22:17
  S5: in Iran. I don't know how they do it, but
• 22:21
  S5: they do get a few dollars here and there shuttled
• 22:26
  S5: in to help out the burgeoning, growing, thriving church in Iran. And,
• 22:33
  S5: you know, it's it's an interesting thing. But if you
• 22:36
  S5: take what Paul did, taking up offerings for different churches
• 22:41
  S5: that didn't have. This is an offering we can take up.
• 22:46
  S5: I hadn't planned this, but the boom crew is so generous.
• 22:49
  S5: And oftentimes you guys feel just touched at a heart
• 22:52
  S5: level by the Spirit of God. I want to ask
• 22:55
  S5: you to get this link and prayerfully consider, uh, giving
• 23:00
  S5: a gift to our brothers and sisters in Iran. I
• 23:04
  S5: guess that's the best way I can say it, Ali.
• 23:06
  S2: Yeah. The key.
• 23:06
  S5: Word.
• 23:07
  S2: I want to give it to you. You can learn
• 23:08
  S2: more about Transform Iran. There's a prayer guide. You can
• 23:12
  S2: find out how you can give to this ministry. Just
• 23:15
  S2: text transform to (800) 555-7898 one word, transform to (800) 555-7898.
• 23:25
  S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then
• 23:28
  S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl
• 23:33
  S1: and crew on Moody Radio.
• 23:35
  S5: Uh, we are going to tackle. Anger. Anger can become
• 23:45
  S5: a portal for spiritual war. Big time. Let me disavow
• 23:50
  S5: a couple of things here. Anger is going to happen.
• 23:57
  S5: As a matter of fact, don't let the sun go
• 23:59
  S5: down on your anger is what we find. And let
• 24:02
  S5: me just open it up here quickly in Ephesians chapter four.
• 24:06
  S5: Be angry and do not sin. I think there's a
• 24:11
  S5: super spirituality, right? And that is we should never be angry, right?
• 24:15
  S5: But that would mean that we're not real at all
• 24:18
  S5: and we need to be real. So the question is,
• 24:24
  S5: what do we do with that anger? Now, clearly the
• 24:28
  S5: Apostle Paul's right on here. Unresolved anger. Oh my goodness,
• 24:33
  S5: we give a toehold to the enemy. And I've had
• 24:39
  S5: some thoughts. I don't know if you guys have ever
• 24:41
  S5: had these thoughts, but my heart really goes out to
• 24:47
  S5: people without homes that find themselves on streets. And in Chicagoland,
• 24:51
  S5: where like most big cities, we have a large population
• 24:54
  S5: like that. And I'm there's not two groups of people
• 24:58
  S5: that kind of make up that group, but there is
• 25:01
  S5: a a large portion of people on the streets that
• 25:07
  S5: have rage. I don't know if you've noticed that. Of
• 25:11
  S5: course you have, guys.
• 25:12
  S6: Sure.
• 25:12
  S3: Absolutely.
• 25:13
  S5: There is rage. And I will tell you, having talked
• 25:18
  S5: to people that have been homeless, um, there's a lot
• 25:22
  S5: of reasons for people to be angry. Good reasons. Right?
• 25:26
  S5: Come on, let's be real here.
• 25:28
  S3: The world can be cruel and unfair sometimes.
• 25:31
  S5: Family of origin issues primarily is a lot of that stuff.
• 25:34
  S6: Just.
• 25:35
  S5: They never got a fair shake. They were beaten. They
• 25:38
  S5: were verbally abused. They were whatever. And it's not fair.
• 25:44
  S5: And I want to say this as well with regard
• 25:45
  S5: to anger. We are called. The interesting thing about this
• 25:49
  S5: passage in Ephesians is that immediately after he's talking about
• 25:54
  S5: this whole anger thing, he talks about walking in love
• 25:57
  S5: and loving one another, and he goes into relationships, husbands
• 26:01
  S5: and wives, children and parents, servants and masters. So he
• 26:08
  S5: starts breaking down all these things. And he talks about
• 26:10
  S5: how to relate to one another. And by the way,
• 26:12
  S5: any text out of context is pretext. The context here
• 26:15
  S5: is so that we will not let anger get a
• 26:19
  S5: foothold in our life. Absolutely convinced that. So is it
• 26:23
  S5: important for us to relate to one another in the
• 26:27
  S5: body of Christ? Because it starts chapter five with walk
• 26:30
  S5: in love. Be imitators of God to one another. Do
• 26:33
  S5: we help each other process anger so that it doesn't
• 26:36
  S5: get a foothold? Absolutely. 100%. But the question is, what
• 26:42
  S5: do we do with anger when the moment when it
• 26:46
  S5: can crop up? How we deal with that is vital
• 26:49
  S5: coming up here in a moment. I've got a funny,
• 26:52
  S5: not so funny, potentially problematic. Didn't turn into it kind
• 26:56
  S5: of a story for you.
• 26:57
  S2: Okay. I'm intrigued.
• 26:59
  S5: I'm ready and we're going to break it down. We're talking.
• 27:02
  S5: War and anger is a portal for spiritual war. Let's
• 27:08
  S5: get after.
• 27:08
  S6: It.
• 27:08
  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
• 27:12
  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
• 27:16
  S1: curl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 27:18
  S5: Have you ever noticed how things come along in life?
• 27:20
  S5: And it can bump your cup and you can get
• 27:23
  S5: angry in a New York second?
• 27:25
  S2: Yes, is the short answer.
• 27:30
  S3: Because the long answer might make you angry.
• 27:34
  S5: Yes is the short answer. So I got a I
• 27:37
  S5: got a funny one that actually reveals I might actually
• 27:40
  S5: be growing up in God.
• 27:41
  S6: Okay, good.
• 27:42
  S5: All right. So this is how this thing went down.
• 27:44
  S5: So our daughter had little Theodore Teddy. Second grandchild, first grandson.
• 27:52
  S6: Congratulations.
• 27:54
  S5: And I get the word, and we're on it, man.
• 27:58
  S5: We're like, oh, she's gonna have this baby, and this
• 28:00
  S5: is great. And then we're like, okay, we got to
• 28:02
  S5: get down there to see this little guy. So we
• 28:05
  S5: go to downtown Chicago and and lo and behold, I
• 28:10
  S5: come up to a stoplight. And right across the intersection
• 28:13
  S5: is a parking space. And I'm like, yes.
• 28:16
  S6: There it is.
• 28:17
  S5: And I mean, it was like, I don't know how
• 28:19
  S5: it was open because there's never parking spaces in Chicago,
• 28:23
  S5: especially when you need them.
• 28:25
  S6: Right?
• 28:25
  S5: They are not there. So it was there. And I've
• 28:29
  S5: got one of these cool apps where you open it up,
• 28:31
  S5: put in the code on the in the block that
• 28:34
  S5: you're on, and you pay them that $2,532.82 or so it.
• 28:39
  S6: Seems.
• 28:40
  S5: For a stinking, you know, hour of parking.
• 28:42
  S6: Very correct.
• 28:43
  S5: So I put it in and I, and I thought, ah, yeah, okay,
• 28:47
  S5: we don't want to be up there too long. I mean,
• 28:49
  S5: there's a little guy, we want to greet him, have
• 28:51
  S5: good time, but I'll plug in an hour. So I
• 28:53
  S5: plugged in an hour and we're having a great time.
• 28:57
  S5: And man, I'm like, keeping an eye on everything. And
• 29:03
  S5: for about the last ten minutes that we were there,
• 29:06
  S5: and I knew we. It was about time for us
• 29:09
  S5: to head out. And we got on a different point
• 29:11
  S5: of discussion with our daughter and son in law, and
• 29:13
  S5: looking at little Teddy and holding them, and little baby
• 29:16
  S5: Kate's there and she's grabbing them and holding them. And
• 29:19
  S5: we're getting photo ops, you know, I mean, we're doing
• 29:22
  S5: the whole deal. And I looked down and I thought, oh,
• 29:26
  S5: I better check my app. And it had just expired
• 29:29
  S5: like eight minutes. So I instantly plug it in, reboot it,
• 29:36
  S5: put some more dollars in there, and it was there
• 29:40
  S5: for about another 15 minutes. I put in 15 minutes
• 29:44
  S5: worth of time. Because you went in downtown Chicago, you
• 29:46
  S5: don't want to give them money for time. You ain't
• 29:48
  S5: going to be there. You go.
• 29:50
  S6: Broke, you go.
• 29:50
  S5: Straight.
• 29:51
  S6: Up.
• 29:51
  S3: You need to really figure out how long you're going
• 29:53
  S3: to be somewhere and then put in that exact time.
• 29:55
  S6: Yeah.
• 29:56
  S5: So we're going down the elevator and you know how
• 30:00
  S5: this the story goes. And I walk across and there's
• 30:05
  S5: our car, strategically positioned, and I'm grabbing a bag and
• 30:10
  S5: throwing it in the back. And I walk around the front.
• 30:13
  S5: I'm like, no.
• 30:15
  S2: It was there, wasn't it?
• 30:16
  S3: Orange envelope.
• 30:17
  S4: Was it really orange envelope?
• 30:20
  S2: Orange.
• 30:20
  S5: 70 bucks. Not for the second. Not for overrunning the
• 30:25
  S5: second plugin in that.
• 30:28
  S6: No joking eight minute window.
• 30:32
  S5: So here's the double insult here. I paid. He catches
• 30:38
  S5: me or whoever catches you or whatever.
• 30:41
  S6: Right?
• 30:42
  S5: And in that eight minute window, I get dinged with
• 30:44
  S5: 70 bucks, and then I.
• 30:45
  S6: Pay him again. Yeah, yeah, you could have.
• 30:47
  S3: Just not paid.
• 30:48
  S6: And.
• 30:49
  S3: Taken the ticket.
• 30:49
  S4: That's right.
• 30:50
  S6: Oh, yeah.
• 30:51
  S5: Oh, yeah.
• 30:51
  S6: That's right. Yeah.
• 30:53
  S4: Goodness.
• 30:56
  S5: So that was a, I don't know $8,590 visit.
• 31:05
  S4: But Teddy was worth it.
• 31:08
  S5: I had to go there. Ali. And you know what?
• 31:11
  S5: What blew my mind is I think there was a
• 31:15
  S5: time when I would have been hot. You know what
• 31:18
  S5: I'm saying?
• 31:18
  S6: Yes.
• 31:19
  S5: Did. Was it innocent? Yeah. Did I mean to know.
• 31:23
  S5: Did did the guy ding ding me see that? Was
• 31:26
  S5: he standing by the car? No he wasn't. But you,
• 31:30
  S5: when you get angry, you start thinking that.
• 31:32
  S6: This dude's.
• 31:32
  S5: Standing there waiting to get.
• 31:34
  S6: Me.
• 31:34
  S3: It was my first thought when you shared the story.
• 31:37
  S2: He was watching.
• 31:38
  S3: He's probably just sitting there waiting.
• 31:40
  S6: For this guy.
• 31:40
  S5: Got the prime spot. I'm gonna ding him right now. Bang! No,
• 31:44
  S5: that's not how that went down.
• 31:46
  S3: No it's not.
• 31:47
  S5: And I grabbed that thing off the front windshield. And
• 31:51
  S5: I get in and she goes, did they get you?
• 31:53
  S5: I said, they got me. And the only thing I
• 31:57
  S5: was blown away by is that I wasn't stinking mad
• 32:00
  S5: because I'm like, okay, let's think this thing through. I
• 32:06
  S5: don't handle everything well. No one does. Sometimes your cup
• 32:12
  S5: gets bumped and you're like, what in the world am
• 32:14
  S5: I going to do? Here's what I need you to know. Boom! Crew,
• 32:16
  S5: listen to me. If we aren't careful, an eight minute
• 32:24
  S5: window when we get a $70 ticket or something like that,
• 32:29
  S5: or some word is spoken, or some slight is given,
• 32:35
  S5: or a little betrayal happens. And if we're not living
• 32:39
  S5: as people of the word, we're going to give Satan
• 32:43
  S5: a stronghold, and it will create an age of rage
• 32:48
  S5: inside us. Unresolved anger, according to Paul, is where demons play.
• 32:57
  S5: And the question is, where do we find it in
• 32:59
  S5: the word, how to deal with it? This is when
• 33:03
  S5: it starts getting fun and we'll have it for you
• 33:05
  S5: straight ahead.
• 33:07
  S1: This is Curl and Crew on Moody Radio.
• 33:10
  S5: Yeah, he's in the crew. He's back. Got the band
• 33:13
  S5: back together again here, man. It's pretty good.
• 33:15
  S6: Good to be.
• 33:16
  S5: Back in the saddle here.
• 33:17
  S6: Young thunder.
• 33:17
  S3: It's really good to be back. I've enjoyed my last
• 33:20
  S3: two days and I plan to continue enjoying it all
• 33:24
  S3: because paternity leave is over.
• 33:25
  S2: I plan to continue coming in.
• 33:28
  S3: Just so you know, I plan to continue coming.
• 33:30
  S6: Such an old soul man.
• 33:32
  S5: You talk to me like you're 55.
• 33:34
  S3: I know, I know, I really do. I'm 30. Going
• 33:36
  S3: on 50. 55.
• 33:38
  S5: Yeah. I love you, man. Uh, we we find this text.
• 33:41
  S5: So there's some of you listening right now, and you
• 33:45
  S5: are being buried by anger. Satan's gotten a stronghold and
• 33:49
  S5: it's unresolved. And a couple of things I want to
• 33:52
  S5: say here quickly. One is it is incumbent on relationships
• 33:56
  S5: around you to help you process that deal with that husbands, wives, parents,
• 34:01
  S5: children not bringing exasperation, but resolution. So there's things that
• 34:08
  S5: we can do for sure. But there's some things that
• 34:12
  S5: only God can do when it comes to anger and
• 34:15
  S5: resolving this. And we find this in James. It says,
• 34:18
  S5: know this, my beloved brothers, let everyone, let every person
• 34:21
  S5: be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger.
• 34:24
  S5: For the anger of man does not produce the righteousness
• 34:27
  S5: of God. So we're going to get angry. The question is,
• 34:29
  S5: how do you resolve it? And what we have here
• 34:33
  S5: is something that often gets missed, misapplied, misinterpreted. Actually, this
• 34:38
  S5: slow to speak is not slow to speak relationally with
• 34:43
  S5: others horizontally. This has to do with slow to speak
• 34:46
  S5: to God. Have you ever gone to God with rah
• 34:48
  S5: rah rah.
• 34:48
  S9: Rah rah rah rah rah rah rah rah rah rah
• 34:50
  S9: rah rah rah rah rah.
• 34:51
  S5: And maybe it's not even to God, but it's kind
• 34:53
  S5: of into the ether out there somewhere and you're like,
• 34:56
  S5: rah rah.
• 34:57
  S6: This guy's an idiot.
• 34:58
  S5: This guy's this guy's crazy. Uh, here's, here's what's going
• 35:03
  S5: on in this text. This listening is to be a
• 35:08
  S5: listener of the Word of God. Look at what it
• 35:12
  S5: says goes on because this is all about the Word
• 35:14
  S5: of God. This is not about listening to other people. Yes,
• 35:17
  S5: you should listen to other people, but this is not
• 35:20
  S5: the proof text for it. He goes on to say,
• 35:22
  S5: but be doers of the word and not hearers only.
• 35:26
  S5: See classic here again Ali, any text out of context
• 35:29
  S5: is pretext deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer
• 35:34
  S5: of the word and not a doer, he's like a
• 35:36
  S5: man who looks intently in the natural face in a mirror.
• 35:40
  S5: For he looks at himself and goes away at once,
• 35:42
  S5: forgets what he is like. But the one who looks
• 35:45
  S5: into the perfect law, the perfect law, the law of liberty,
• 35:48
  S5: and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer
• 35:52
  S5: who acts, he will be blessed in his doing. And
• 35:55
  S5: then it goes on to say this if anyone thinks
• 35:58
  S5: he is religious and not does not bridle his tongue,
• 36:01
  S5: but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. This
• 36:08
  S5: whole context is that the greatest way to resolve issues
• 36:16
  S5: of anger in our life is to go to the
• 36:18
  S5: Word of God. How can the Word of God help
• 36:20
  S5: us with anger?
• 36:22
  S6: Well, I mean.
• 36:22
  S2: The Word of God brings us back to truth. Yes.
• 36:25
  S2: Where verses like how love overlooks an offense and how we.
• 36:30
  S2: I mean, we are to be patient with people. We
• 36:33
  S2: are to be forgiving of people as God has forgiven us.
• 36:36
  S2: And all of these. There's some nuance there which we
• 36:38
  S2: won't get into today. But the Word of God brings
• 36:41
  S2: us back to what's true. When we are angry, we
• 36:44
  S2: are being driven by what we feel.
• 36:46
  S6: Yes.
• 36:47
  S2: By the emotion. And we know that emotion is real,
• 36:52
  S2: but emotions aren't. Don't always line up with facts and reality.
• 36:56
  S2: And so when we've all been in a state and
• 36:59
  S2: been around people in a state where they're purely being
• 37:01
  S2: driven by how they're feeling, and usually truth is, is,
• 37:04
  S2: is kind of pushed to the back burner.
• 37:08
  S6: Yeah.
• 37:09
  S5: Yeah. That is spot on. Ali. When, when you see
• 37:12
  S5: people consumed by anger, the truth of God's sovereignty, God's love,
• 37:18
  S5: God's care, God's non blindness, could I say it that way?
• 37:23
  S6: Yep.
• 37:23
  S5: Because God sees us, God holds the scales. Sometimes the
• 37:29
  S5: only thing you can hold on to is that this
• 37:31
  S5: is make way for God. Vengeance is mine, I will repay.
• 37:36
  S5: There we go. Go to Romans. What do you find?
• 37:38
  S5: Don't carry this anger. This. This guy. This situation will
• 37:44
  S5: be dealt with. Now that doesn't make you go. Yeah, sucker.
• 37:47
  S5: You're going to get it one day. It's a. God
• 37:49
  S5: is in control of this whole thing. Our anger can
• 37:53
  S5: subside and our joy can be renewed. Isn't that hopeful, guys?
• 37:57
  S2: It is. And it doesn't happen without the Word of God.
• 38:00
  S2: It just doesn't. We don't get ourselves there.
• 38:03
  S3: I've never been so angry that I talked myself down
• 38:05
  S3: off a ledge.
• 38:06
  S2: Like it just doesn't happen.
• 38:08
  S6: No.
• 38:09
  S5: Hold it. That's a profound statement. You can't talk yourself
• 38:12
  S5: down off of a ledge, but God's word can get
• 38:15
  S5: you off that ledge 100%.
• 38:18
  S3: Yep.
• 38:19
  S5: Don't let anger grip you today. Don't let it grip
• 38:23
  S5: you today. It's too costly. It gives Satan a foothold.
• 38:26
  S5: We're in a war. Go back to the Word of God.
• 38:29
  S5: Know who you are in Christ and what he is
• 38:32
  S5: doing in and around you today.
• 38:35
  S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
• 38:39
  S1: Carl and crew.
• 38:40
  S6: Yeah.
• 38:41
  S5: Anger can be a portal for this great spiritual war.
• 38:45
  S5: And let's explore this a little bit more. I'm so
• 38:50
  S5: glad that God has finally put sports in perspective for me.
• 38:54
  S3: And it's a good one.
• 38:56
  S5: That's a good one. You might think there is no
• 39:00
  S5: possible way to make an idol out of a sports team.
• 39:04
  S5: AU contraire.
• 39:05
  S6: Pierre.
• 39:06
  S4: Well who.
• 39:06
  S2: Would? I don't know that anyone would say that. That's
• 39:08
  S2: not possible.
• 39:09
  S6: Well, I.
• 39:10
  S5: Mean, maybe someone who's not a sports.
• 39:11
  S6: Fan.
• 39:11
  S2: I was going to say.
• 39:12
  S6: Yeah.
• 39:13
  S5: But it's. Is is it possible that you can make
• 39:17
  S5: an idol out of a sports team?
• 39:19
  S6: Yes, yes, yes. Of course. Yeah.
• 39:21
  S5: How do you prove that a sports team has become
• 39:25
  S5: an idol to you?
• 39:28
  S3: Uh. Okay.
• 39:30
  S6: This is easy.
• 39:30
  S3: Yeah.
• 39:31
  S4: Your whole schedule revolves around it.
• 39:33
  S5: Yeah, schedule revolves around.
• 39:35
  S6: It a lot. What is that? Yeah.
• 39:38
  S2: Ruins your day.
• 39:40
  S4: Oh, Ali!
• 39:40
  S6: Hit it.
• 39:41
  S4: Yeah.
• 39:42
  S6: That's it.
• 39:42
  S2: Also, you start throwing things when certain players don't make
• 39:48
  S2: catches or don't complete passes. And so maybe words fly
• 39:52
  S2: out of your mouth or remotes fly out of your hands.
• 39:56
  S3: Yeah, I, uh, I grew a little bit this Sunday
• 40:00
  S3: after maybe about a couple hours of failure. I, I
• 40:05
  S3: grew near the end is, uh, my, my Chicago Bears
• 40:10
  S3: got destroyed by the green Bay Packers.
• 40:12
  S2: Team.
• 40:13
  S3: Which is you can get destroyed by any team except
• 40:15
  S3: that one. Uh, and and I'll be better off. And no,
• 40:19
  S3: it was the worst one, the worst one to get
• 40:20
  S3: destroyed by. Uh, and we did, and and so I
• 40:23
  S3: was very upset for two hours and, and then at
• 40:27
  S3: the end, as it just kept careening down into the
• 40:30
  S3: depths of despair, I, I looked at my wife and
• 40:33
  S3: I said, hey, would you like to turn on one
• 40:35
  S3: of our shows? And I, I don't care how bad
• 40:39
  S3: my team is losing. I never stop watching it. And.
• 40:44
  S3: And this time I decided to stop watching and I
• 40:48
  S3: was really grateful and happy that God put me in
• 40:50
  S3: a place that I said, okay, let's be done.
• 40:52
  S5: A little perspective. There's no way they were going to
• 40:54
  S5: make a comeback.
• 40:55
  S3: I mean, no, no, no, it wasn't ever going to happen.
• 40:57
  S3: But but I still never stop watching even at that point.
• 41:02
  S3: And I stopped watching and I was very happy I
• 41:04
  S3: did because it doesn't do any good for me. And,
• 41:08
  S3: and I'm very grateful because it they it really can
• 41:11
  S3: just destroy your day if you're not careful.
• 41:15
  S5: You know what, you're so good on this stuff. But
• 41:17
  S5: I will say I just got done with discover 180,
• 41:20
  S5: which is our new members class I just got done.
• 41:23
  S5: It's just okay if I say this. It's not bad.
• 41:25
  S3: No, it's not bad. That wasn't.
• 41:26
  S5: Me. So it's hilarious man. So I just got done
• 41:29
  S5: with discover 180. Yeah. And I'm on the way home
• 41:32
  S5: and I'm rejoicing over what God's doing. And it's just
• 41:35
  S5: awesome people we met and all that. And I get
• 41:37
  S5: this big text from Jonathan out of the blue. Tyson
• 41:40
  S5: Bagent is not a starter in this league. That's all
• 41:43
  S5: it was.
• 41:45
  S4: That was.
• 41:45
  S5: Our quarterback. All right. That was it. Not a how
• 41:48
  S5: are you doing? How'd it go today? How'd discover 180 go?
• 41:52
  S5: Tyson Bagent is not a starter in this league.
• 41:55
  S3: To be fair, I didn't know you were doing discover 180.
• 41:58
  S3: I figured you were watching the game.
• 41:59
  S5: No, it's fine.
• 42:01
  S10: It's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
• 42:03
  S5: It was fine. But I literally laughed out loud. I'm like, oh, boy.
• 42:07
  S5: And you do good on this stuff, dude.
• 42:09
  S3: I do, I do, I try to keep it controlled.
• 42:11
  S3: But no, I mean, I will say I, I know
• 42:14
  S3: it can be a big problem because it has been
• 42:16
  S3: a problem for me and it's one that I really
• 42:19
  S3: am trying to work on with the Lord because I
• 42:21
  S3: don't want this to affect. I got so much good
• 42:25
  S3: going on right now. I got a month old in
• 42:28
  S3: my house, a one month old little girl. I got
• 42:30
  S3: a two and a half year old daughter, an amazing wife.
• 42:32
  S3: Why would I ruin my whole Sunday? Because my my
• 42:37
  S3: team that has no effect on my day, win or lose,
• 42:40
  S3: is having an effect on my day.
• 42:41
  S5: Well, should have no effect on our day.
• 42:43
  S3: Yeah, it should have no effect. It doesn't actually do
• 42:45
  S3: anything to me. My day. The things in my day
• 42:49
  S3: don't change because my team won or lost. But my
• 42:52
  S3: attitude does.
• 42:53
  S5: Yeah. No, it's really true. How do you know when
• 42:56
  S5: a 401 K has become an idol, as opposed to
• 42:59
  S5: a resource that's from God?
• 43:02
  S3: Uh, maybe you can't stop watching it. Maybe you're stuck
• 43:05
  S3: watching all day long. Uh, and if maybe there's a
• 43:08
  S3: bad day, uh, you feel a sense of just complete
• 43:11
  S3: and utter turmoil.
• 43:13
  S5: Or ticked.
• 43:13
  S3: Off. Yeah. Or ticked off.
• 43:15
  S4: Yeah. Change.
• 43:16
  S5: What are some of the symptoms of other substitute gods
• 43:18
  S5: that can pop their head up like that, guys? Let's
• 43:21
  S5: just let's just go around them here.
• 43:23
  S3: Well, I think that so I think that they all
• 43:27
  S3: share a kind of a common theme. And we talked
• 43:29
  S3: a little bit about it with anger. But there's other
• 43:31
  S3: types of emotions that can create in you U2. But
• 43:35
  S3: whatever you're idolizing has a sense of control over your
• 43:39
  S3: emotional state.
• 43:41
  S5: Yeah. It does. And by the way, it's not always anger, right? Sorry.
• 43:44
  S3: It's not always.
• 43:45
  S5: Cut you off, kiddo.
• 43:45
  S4: Oh, no. That's fine. I say we always. And Ellie's
• 43:47
  S4: brought this up, too, because, I mean, she's living it.
• 43:49
  S4: Not personally, but she's seeing it. People, adults live through
• 43:52
  S4: their kids in sports. They make that an idol.
• 43:55
  S5: Oh my goodness, guys, that is. That's a battle.
• 43:59
  S3: Absolutely.
• 44:00
  S5: And I will tell you, I didn't win that battle
• 44:02
  S5: all the time. I know Allie's perfect on this one.
• 44:04
  S2: But not even close. It's a it's an ongoing battle.
• 44:07
  S2: And it was interesting because my my daughter, who plays basketball,
• 44:10
  S2: she's a senior in high school.
• 44:12
  S5: Very well, by the way.
• 44:13
  S2: She and she loves it. But she had a little
• 44:16
  S2: side job this, this weekend where she went and she
• 44:19
  S2: worked the scorer's table for like some third and fourth grade,
• 44:24
  S2: third and fourth grade game. Okay. And so it was
• 44:26
  S2: funny because she normally doesn't sit as a spectator often
• 44:30
  S2: because she's always playing. And she was like, mom, the parents.
• 44:37
  S2: So she's running the scoreboard for this third and fourth
• 44:41
  S2: grade game on a Sunday afternoon. And she's like, the
• 44:43
  S2: parents are losing their minds.
• 44:46
  S5: If you don't put those two points up on the
• 44:48
  S5: board in a nanosecond, they're there.
• 44:51
  S9: That was two points.
• 44:52
  S2: And so it's funny because I'm thinking you've just now
• 44:55
  S2: seeing this, apparently all that's happening in the stands while
• 44:58
  S2: she's playing, she doesn't hear any of that, but one
• 45:00
  S2: really good, you know, as the scorekeeper. And she's like,
• 45:03
  S2: this is what's happening.
• 45:05
  S3: Yeah.
• 45:06
  S5: I think I'd rather be.
• 45:07
  S4: That's what's going on.
• 45:08
  S5: I think I'd rather be a referee in an NBA
• 45:11
  S5: game than in a fourth grade.
• 45:13
  S3: 100%.
• 45:14
  S10: Hands down.
• 45:14
  S3: The fans aren't as close to you.
• 45:16
  S2: The conversations that go on between referees. I always find
• 45:21
  S2: it comical when the referees who, who who argue back
• 45:25
  S2: with the fans.
• 45:26
  S5: Oh, you're kidding me. Oh all the. I've never seen that.
• 45:29
  S2: All the time.
• 45:31
  S5: It's a new day in sports.
• 45:32
  S2: Well, also, these are these are guys who usually guys
• 45:35
  S2: who somebody was like, hey, do you want to make
• 45:38
  S2: 25 bucks? So they give him a black and white
• 45:41
  S2: striped shirt and say, hey, go out there and have fun.
• 45:43
  S2: So it's not like they've received extensive training.
• 45:46
  S5: So they don't really know what traveling versus double dribbling
• 45:49
  S5: really is.
• 45:49
  S2: So when some guy in the stands pops off, the
• 45:52
  S2: guy in the black and white shirts like, hey, you
• 45:55
  S2: coming for me? Well I'm coming. It's it's it's, it's,
• 45:58
  S2: that's how I spend my weekends. Guys.
• 46:00
  S3: Absolutely. But it's so true.
• 46:04
  S5: That's how I spend my weekends with.
• 46:06
  S2: Two kids in like in full throttle in this stuff. Yeah.
• 46:09
  S2: That's how I spend my weekends.
• 46:11
  S3: I mean, it's so true, though. I remember when I
• 46:13
  S3: was in fifth grade doing fifth grade basketball and it
• 46:17
  S3: was practice like we were practicing before the game, and
• 46:20
  S3: there was a dad who was way over harsh on
• 46:23
  S3: his two children who were on my team, who were practicing. And,
• 46:27
  S3: and I remember as a ten year old, I looked
• 46:29
  S3: at this dad and I said, this guy's a jerk.
• 46:33
  S3: And like, if me, as a ten year old.
• 46:35
  S5: This old could learn that.
• 46:37
  S3: I'm like, dude, we're ten. You need to chill out. Like,
• 46:40
  S3: if I can discern that, then it's a problem. Yeah.
• 46:44
  S10: Not good.
• 46:47
  S5: There's a lot of things that can bump our cup. And, uh,
• 46:50
  S5: by the way, very important here that becomes a portal
• 46:54
  S5: where Satan gets a toehold. The word is opportunity, but
• 46:59
  S5: in the original language it means toehold. It's a it's
• 47:02
  S5: almost a mountain climbing term where Satan gets a, a.
• 47:06
  S5: I got a little crease in the rock and it's
• 47:12
  S5: and it never ends well. It never ends well. No process, anger.
• 47:18
  S5: And by the way, anger is going to happen. So
• 47:20
  S5: you don't. Super spirituality says, oh yeah, we shouldn't be
• 47:24
  S5: angry in anything. Well, that's the reason Paul and Jesus
• 47:30
  S5: gave us the answers on how to handle anger is
• 47:33
  S5: because anger does happen. There's injustice all over the place.
• 47:39
  S5: Coming up here in a couple of minutes, we're talking
• 47:42
  S5: spiritual war and it's real. We're just giving you one
• 47:45
  S5: example of where you get a toehold. It's real. There's
• 47:47
  S5: no doubt about it when we're talking things like this.
• 47:51
  S5: I had to sit down with Doctor Sam Storms. It's
• 47:54
  S5: pretty epic. Hang on. That's coming up.
• 47:56
  S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
• 48:00
  S5: God longs for us today to seek him and ask
• 48:04
  S5: him to move in ways that we never could.
• 48:06
  S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
• 48:08
  S5: This is war. That's the topic of our week. And
• 48:11
  S5: we are in a spiritual war. And I think we
• 48:14
  S5: need to be careful with this. We can we can
• 48:17
  S5: be really ignorant to it. We can be oblivious to
• 48:22
  S5: the reality that there is a war around us. but
• 48:25
  S5: we can also be fixated on demons and Satan himself.
• 48:31
  S5: Neither one of those are where God wants us to
• 48:33
  S5: camp out. But we've got a war. And you know,
• 48:37
  S5: there's this showdown that happened on Mount Carmel. It's found
• 48:40
  S5: in First Kings 18. Uh, it is an epic, epic picture.
• 48:45
  S5: I'm going to bring in Sam Storms right now. Doctor
• 48:47
  S5: Sam storms with us. You know I was preaching through
• 48:50
  S5: First Kings 18 recently here Sam. And the intriguing thing
• 48:54
  S5: about this showdown is that the the central figures here.
• 48:59
  S5: It's certainly not Ahab and Jezebel. It's certainly not Baal.
• 49:04
  S5: And it's a showdown between Yahweh and Baal and who
• 49:07
  S5: has the real power. But it's the nation of Israel.
• 49:10
  S5: And estimates are there could have been ten, 20, 30,000
• 49:13
  S5: people up on those hills of Mount Carmel. And it's
• 49:17
  S5: a cautionary tale because the nation of Israel now was
• 49:21
  S5: not committed to Yahweh. They had, as the prophet says,
• 49:26
  S5: they're limping between Baal and Yahweh. And they had gotten
• 49:32
  S5: a toehold of demonic forces. Sam, how vital is ridding
• 49:38
  S5: ourselves of any idols to be freed from a satanic influence?
• 49:42
  S5: Or am I reading too much into it here?
• 49:45
  S11: No, you're not reading too much into it. In fact,
• 49:48
  S11: the whole story takes me back to first Corinthians chapter ten,
• 49:52
  S11: where Paul says, therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry. Um,
• 49:57
  S11: then he talks about how the some Corinthians were seeking
• 50:01
  S11: to visit the temples where, uh, food was sacrificed to
• 50:06
  S11: Satan and to demons. And then they'd get up and
• 50:08
  S11: go to the church and sit around the Lord's table.
• 50:11
  S11: And he says, if you expose yourself to the influence
• 50:15
  S11: of the enemy at those sacrificial dinners, he said, you're
• 50:20
  S11: exposing yourself to the influence of the devil. He says
• 50:23
  S11: you cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the
• 50:25
  S11: cup of demons. You can't partake of the table of
• 50:28
  S11: the Lord and the table of demons. He said, don't
• 50:30
  S11: commune with demons in your act of idolatry. And of
• 50:34
  S11: course we could extend that. It's not just an issue,
• 50:36
  S11: of course, in our day it's different. We don't have
• 50:39
  S11: these demonic or satanic temples in every city that Christians
• 50:43
  S11: would be tempted to visit. But any form of idolatry,
• 50:47
  S11: any way in which we prioritize an object or an
• 50:51
  S11: experience or a person or anything above God, we expose
• 50:57
  S11: ourselves to the influence of the enemy. And Paul is
• 51:01
  S11: very clear about that. He says, you are communing. I mean,
• 51:05
  S11: that's very interesting. He uses the word communion. He says,
• 51:07
  S11: you're communing with demons when you engage in idolatry.
• 51:12
  S5: Yeah. And it's interesting too, because where my mind goes
• 51:14
  S5: right now is the church of Laodicea. They wouldn't have
• 51:17
  S5: seen themselves as communing with demons. But they were. They
• 51:22
  S5: thought that their wealth had them pretty well set. They
• 51:25
  S5: thought they could see things pretty clearly. They thought they
• 51:29
  S5: were clothed in finery. And I mean, the vision that
• 51:34
  S5: they got was, man sobering you? My goodness, you are naked,
• 51:39
  S5: you're pitiable, you're poor, you're blind. I get I get
• 51:44
  S5: clothes on and they'd push Jesus out. Can Jesus cohabitate
• 51:50
  S5: with idolatry? Can he?
• 51:52
  S11: Well, no. That's Paul's point in First Corinthians ten. You
• 51:55
  S11: cannot partake of demons and of the Lord himself at
• 51:59
  S11: the table of the Lord. Now again, the cannot. There
• 52:02
  S11: is not talking about a metaphysical impossibility. He's saying is
• 52:06
  S11: you shouldn't. It's like you say to a Christian, you.
• 52:09
  S11: You can't commit adultery. Well, of course he can in
• 52:12
  S11: terms of just pure ability, but it's so morally Incongruous.
• 52:16
  S11: It is such a contradiction of who the Christian is. Yeah.
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  S11: And again, I think Christians have to come to understand
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  S11: the nature of the authority they have in Christ. We
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  S11: have been not only saved, but we have, according to
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  S11: Ephesians one and two, we've been seated with Christ in heavenlies,
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  S11: beneath whose feet are all principalities and powers. Um, so
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  S11: sometimes Christians fail to realize that their position in Christ
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  S11: has them with as much authority over the demonic as
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  S11: Jesus expressed when he walked this earth.
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  S5: Yeah. So I want to go back to Mount Carmel.
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  S5: The interesting thing that Elijah said to the nation of Israel,
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  S5: by the way, and so that would have been the elders,
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  S5: the leaders, and we don't know for sure how many
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  S5: were there, but there were probably thousands, maybe more, about
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  S5: 350,000 in the Northern Kingdom at that time. So it
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  S5: would have been enough for they all would have gotten
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  S5: the word. But he's saying you're limping between these two
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  S5: and indecision is actually decision. This is why. And I'm
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  S5: not trying to scare people straight here with God, but
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  S5: the cost attached to kind of dancing or limping between
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  S5: the gods of this age and the one true living God.
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  S5: It's costly. Sam.
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  S11: Yes it is. It's costly not only in this life,
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  S11: but in eternity future. That's why whenever Christians are in
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  S11: a battle with the temptations of Satan and his minions,
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  S11: as it were. I always direct them to Luke chapter ten,
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  S11: where Jesus sends out the 72. And the thing to
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  S11: remember when people read this, you need to remember these
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  S11: are 72 anonymous disciples, not an apostle among them, not
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  S11: an elder, a pastor, or a seminary grad. Average followers
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  S11: of Jesus. And they return saying, Lord, even the demons
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  S11: are subject to us in your name. And Jesus says,
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  S11: I've given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions,
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  S11: and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing
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  S11: shall hurt you. I mean, that is an incredible declaration
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  S11: by Jesus. And I fear that a lot of Christians,
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  S11: they cower in in terror at the expression of the demonic.
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  S11: If somebody manifests because they're being oppressed by an evil spirit.
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  S11: So many Christians just turn tail and run. I can
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  S11: remember many times in my own church where there might
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  S11: have been somebody who was manifesting a demonic presence, and
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  S11: people ran to me and they said, Sam, you got
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  S11: to come over and deal with this person. I said, no,
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  S11: you do it. You have just as much authority in
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  S11: the name of Jesus as I do. And they go, really?
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  S11: And I said, yes, just because I went to seminary
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  S11: and you didn't, doesn't mean that I have more authority
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  S11: than you do. This is an incredible story in Luke ten.
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  S11: It goes all the way down through verse 20. I
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  S11: would encourage Christians to read it and meditate upon it.
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  S5: Yeah. No, that's it's so true. I remember a day
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  S5: in Alaska that a woman crawled to the top of
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  S5: a beautiful building to our office space and was manifesting
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  S5: demonic spirits, and there was that freak out mode. It
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  S5: was a beautiful learning lesson, though, because I stood in
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  S5: a room with a few pastors and some counselors, and
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  S5: they witnessed the power of God to have authority when
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  S5: we declare the name of Jesus over these manifestations. So
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  S5: those are the extreme things. And some people might say, well,
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  S5: why don't we see more of that here? Quick thought
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  S5: when we see this post-Christian nation decline more into moral relativism,
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  S5: might it be true, Sam, that we're going to see
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  S5: more and more physical manifestations of these demonic activities?
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  S11: Undoubtedly so. Undoubtedly so. And here's the thing that Christians
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  S11: need to realize. And it's a dangerous idea they have
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  S11: in their minds if they don't see some grand expression
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  S11: of idolatry, some overtly immoral behavior, the kind of perverse
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  S11: and disgusting things we see in our world today. They
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  S11: think I'm safe. I'm okay. Uh. I have little sins.
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  S11: Those those tiny little things like lying and and getting
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  S11: mad at a brother or sister and stealing a little
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  S11: bit here or there. And yet in Ephesians four, Paul says,
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  S11: put away falsehood, speak the truth. He says, be angry
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  S11: and do not sin, and give no place to the devil. Yeah.
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  S11: So Paul is saying, when you yield to just these
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  S11: little temptations in your relationship with other people, yes, you
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  S11: are opening the door to the influence of the devil.
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  S11: He goes on and says, let the thief steal no longer,
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  S11: but rather let no corrupting talk come out of your mouth.
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  S11: All of these things, we could list them forever and ever.
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  S11: Expose the believer to the influence of the devil. I mean,
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  S11: that's an amazing statement by Paul. Don't give the devil
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  S11: a place in your life by this kind of unrepentant,
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  S11: sinful behavior. So I know people will say, well, I
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  S11: don't have a statue of an idol on my. On
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  S11: the mantel in my home, and I don't, you know,
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  S11: I don't play around with false gods. So they think
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  S11: they're safe and they don't realize that Satan is just
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  S11: as active in these kinds of sins that disrupt the
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  S11: life of the body of Christ, and they need to
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  S11: be aware of this.
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  S5: I love it. Let's just say right now that there's
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  S5: someone listening who is bowing down at the altar of
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  S5: a 401 K, okay, let's just say that or let's
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  S5: just pick a couple others. Envy, gossip, just basic. I mean,
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  S5: these are basic idols that scream our name every day.
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  S5: How does a person are this is clunky, but I'll
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  S5: use it. How does a person self deliver and how
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  S5: important are prayers of renunciation opening our mouth and speaking? Sam.
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  S11: Yes, definitely. Prayers of renunciation. And again, I think the answer.
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  S11: It may sound simplified and trite, but the answer of
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  S11: Scripture is very clear that the only way that you
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  S11: overcome the allure of one pleasure in our world is
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  S11: with a greater pleasure, and that is in Jesus Christ.
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  S5: Boom, brother.
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  S11: People have to. People have to devote themselves to learning
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  S11: about him, to trusting him, to talking to him, to
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  S11: worshiping him, to reading the word. And at all times
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  S11: throughout the day, uh, just meditating on who Jesus is.
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  S11: You know, Paul talks in Ephesians three about the excellencies
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  S11: of the Lord Jesus Christ that he wanted to make
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  S11: known to the Gentiles. How many Christians today actually really understand, uh,
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  S11: the unsearchable riches of Christ that Paul uses in Ephesians
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  S11: three that ultimately is the greatest defense in spiritual warfare.
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  S11: It's having cultivating that close, intimate relationship with Jesus Us
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  S11: and bringing into your thought process. So it just bathes
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  S11: your soul. It bathes your mind. It bathes your words
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  S11: in the unsearchable riches of Christ. When a person does that,
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  S11: the enemy has no entry point. The enemy can do nothing.
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  S11: And if the enemy. If you've already let him in
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  S11: and he's exploiting certain things in your life, repent. Renounce
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  S11: and turn yourself to dig deeply into the unsearchable riches
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  S11: of Christ.
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  S5: Doctor Sam Storms, my guest, your buddy John Piper, nailed
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  S5: it with meditations of a Christian hedonist. This call to
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  S5: find that greater. Yes. In the enjoyment of God. Boy,
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  S5: he nailed that, didn't he?
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  S11: Absolutely. Yeah, I, I completely agree. That's why people think
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  S11: that the solution to their sin problems is more willpower.
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  S11: Gritting their teeth, clenching their fists, yelling no at sin.
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  S11: You know, the key to Christian growth in holiness is
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  S11: by cultivating a deeper delight in all that God is
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  S11: for us in Jesus.
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