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Mega Edition: The Virginia Roberts Deposition That Helped Expose Epstein And Maxwell (Part 1-3) (7/11/23) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In today's episode, we're going to begin our look at
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the Virginia Roberts deposition that was given on May third
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of two thousand and sixteen. And during this deposition, a
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lot of it was handled by Laura Meninger, who was
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the lawyer for Glen Maxwell at the time, so she's
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going to be asking the bulk of the question. However,
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she is also joined by Jeffrey Pagliuca, So if Jeffrey's
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asking a question, I'll say that it's Jeffrey who is
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asking the question. But besides that, it's going to be
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Laura Meninger doing all of the question asking, and then
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Virginia Roberts obviously will be answering the questions. So enough
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with the explaining and let's get to doing. Miss Meninger.
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Good morning, Miss Jeoffrey. Response, Good morning, Laura. Question by
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Laura Meninger. Can you please state your full name? Answer
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Virginia Lee Jeoffrey. And where do you live right now?
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Miss Jeoffrey redacted? Next question, All right, and who lives
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with you? Virginia responds my son, my other son, my daughter,
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my husband, and my in laws. Menager, When did you
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return to the US for this visit? Virginia? I believe
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it was around Thursday, the twenty ninth, I think, menager. Okay,
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And who traveled with you? Virginia myself? Yourself? Virginia responds yes.
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Manager says are you able to travel freely between the
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US and Australia? Virginia responds yes. Next question, are you married?
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Virginia's response yes, Next question to whom response redacted? Next question,
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all right, and did mister Joffrey travel with you back
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to the US? The answer no? Question all right? Have
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you taken medications in the last twenty four hours? Response?
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I have taken I have a cold, but I have
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taken non drowsy cold tablets and some day quill. Question
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all right? Anything else? Response no question? All right? And
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what is your current profession, Miss Jeoffrey? The response I'm
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a housewife? Question all right? And how long have you
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been a housewife? Response for the last ten years, since
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I've had kids? All right? And what was your profession
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in two thousand and four? Response? I was a housewife?
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Question alright? Any other professions? No? All right? You understand
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that you're under oath today? Response yes, and you understand
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that if you don't understand the question, you need to
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let me know that yes question and ask for clarification. Response,
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Uh huh question do you understand response yes question, you
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also understand I'm assuming that you have to say yes
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or no an answer to a question, or you have
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to make a verbal response and not just shake your
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head or something. Response, yes, question so the court reporter
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can get it you have been deposed before? Correct response
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yes question. Do you understand what it means to be
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under oath? Yes? What does it mean to you? Response
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to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
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the truth? Question? All right? And what does the word
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truth mean to you? Response to be honest? Question? Is
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there more than one truth? Response? Is there more than? No?
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There's no more than one truth question. If you are
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confused by a question, you need to let me know
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so that I can clarify the question. Okay response okay. Question.
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For example, if I ask you the question where you
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sexually try to foreign presidents? Do you understand what that
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question means? Answer? Yes, question what does it mean? Answer?
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I was lent out for the purpose of sex to
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a foreign person president? All right? And what is the
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answer to that question? Answer yes. And if I asked
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if you had met any foreign presidents, do you understand
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what that question means? Answer yes? Question what is the
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answer to that question? Answer yes? Question all right? And
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if I ask you which foreign presidents have you met?
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Do you understand what the question means? Answer yes. What
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is the answer to that question? Answer? What is the
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name of the person? Question yes? Who are the foreign
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presidents that you have met? Answer? I honestly can't remember
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his name at this time. I'm a very visual person.
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So question all right, can you describe him? Then? Answer? Yes,
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he's Spanish. Question okay, answer tall, dark hair, question all right,
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anything else? Answer and he's got a foreign tongue accent.
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Question what age? Approximately? Age was I? Or was he? Question?
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Was he? I'd say in his forties? Question okay? And
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where did you meet him? Answer? I believe it was
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New Mexico. Question new Mexico? Answer possibly New Mexico. I'm sorry,
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it's really hard to go back and remember lots of
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different events with lots of different people. Question okay, and
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is that the only foreign president that you have met? Answer?
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I've met a lot of high powerful people, and I
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wasn't just introduced to them as who they were. It's
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only going back through photos in time to be able
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to realize who they are and what they are now.
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So it's hard for me to distinguish who I've actually
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met and when and where I've met them. Question, So,
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to your knowledge, you have only met one foreign president?
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Answer to my knowledge at this time? Yes. Question. And
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is there anything else that might change your knowledge at
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a different time? Answer? If I were to see more
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photos of other people. I mean, I've been able to
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distinguish the majority of the people I've been lent out to.
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But who's to say there's not more question? All right?
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And if I were to ask you the question of
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how many times you have had sex with redacted? Do
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you know what that question means? I believe so, all right?
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And what is the answer to that question? I believe
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I was with redacted? Ones question? Okay? I would like
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to ask you about your prior sworn statement. You understand
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that you're under oath correct yes, Okay, you've previously made
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statements under oath correct answer, yes question, and you've previously
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authorized pleadings to be filed on your behalf correct answer yes,
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question by various attorneys right answer yes, all right. Have
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you included in your sworn statement alligations about my client
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Gallage Maxwell? Answer yes. Question and did you review any
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of those prior to your sworn statements before appearing here today? Answer? Yes?
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Question and which ones did you review? Answer? I'd have
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to see which ones you're specifically talking about. There is
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quite a lot of statements that I've made. Question right?
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And which ones do you recall having reviewed before you
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attended this deposition today? I reviewed my affid David. I'm
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not a lawyer, so I really don't know legal terms
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to half of the you know, legal jargon of statements
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which they are. If you showed me, I'd be able
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to tell you if I've seen it or not. Question okay,
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So to your knowledge, can you identify any sworn statement
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you're reviewed before attending the deposition today? Answer? Could I
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name what the statement is? Question right? Answer the actual
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piece of paper that has the title at the top.
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Question right answer, No, I don't. Question can you describe
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it in any other fashion? Response? I don't understand. I'm sorry.
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Question that's all right. You have to tell me if
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you don't, do you have any other reason to believe
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that any of your previous sworn statements that you have
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made or not true. Answer no, Now we have an
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objection here to by Brad Edwards. I must object and
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ask that if we're going to ask the witness questions
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about any of her statements in whole or in part,
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that the witness be allowed to see this statement, review
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the statement, and then answer your questions. Question by mismanager,
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you may answer the question answer can you re ask
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the question? I'm sorry? Question? Do you have any reason
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to believe that any of your prior sworn statements are untrue? Answer?
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I have no reason to believe that my prior statements
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are untrue. Question has anyone told you to say something
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that was not true in connection with this case? Answer? No, ma'am.
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Question all right. I'd like to start with a lawsuit
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that you filed under the caption Jane Doe versus Jeffrey Epstein.
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Do you recall the lawsuit? Answer? I believe so. I'm
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going to show you an exhibit what we are marking
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as defendants, Exhibit number one. Brad Edwards chimes in again,
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can I see that for a second. I'd just like
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to make an objection on the record for the misidentification
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of this document. While there was a lawsuit filed under
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the style of Jane Doe versus Jeffrey Epstein, Jane Doe
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was not Virginia Jeoffrey, and the lawsuit that's now being
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handed to this witness is Jane Doe one oh two
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versus Jeffrey Epstein. Is that the document that we're talking about, Mismninger, Counsel,
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if you have an objection, you should state the basis
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for your objection in a non leading, non suggestive manner.
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If you have any other record to make, you can
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do so in a pleading filed with the court. Mister Edwards, Sure,
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my objection is you've misrepresented what you've handed the witness.
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I want to make sure that the witness is holding
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what you actually want her to be holding, as opposed
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to the lawsuit you said that you were going to hander.
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That's it, Miss manager Counsel. I will ask the witness
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questions about the document. I did not ask you any
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questions about the document. The questioning now turns back to
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Virginia Roberts question. Miss Joffrey, could you please take a
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look at what we have marked as defendants Exhibit number one.
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Do you recognize that document, Miss Joffrey. Answer I believe so, Yes,
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I do. Question and do you see that council on
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the last page I'm sorry, not the last page, but
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the third page. From the last page are mister Josephsberg
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and mister Essel from Podthurst or Sek Answer yes, question
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were those your lawyers? Answer? Yes they were? Question and
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did you authorize them to file Jane Doe one h
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two versus Epstein on your behalf? Answer? Yes, I did.
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Question and is that this complaint that's been marked as
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defendants exhibit number one? Answer? I believe so. Question in
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that document? If I could ask you to turn the page, well,
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I'll turn to page nine and paragraph twenty three. Answer
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would you like me to read it? Manager responds no,
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I'm just did you find it? Answer? I can see
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paragraph twenty three? Question, Okay, do you see that there
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are other allegations about miss Maxwell contained in that complaint? Answer? Yes,
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I do. Question all right? And do you understand that
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to be Glen Maxwell my client? Answer yes, question all right?
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And Miss Maxwell was not sued as part of this case? Correct?
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Brad Edwards chimes in object to the form the opponent,
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does that mean I can answer, mister Edwards, Sure you
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can answer, Laura man right. Brad Edwards responds, if you
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understand the question, answer it and to that Virginia response, yes,
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Miss Maxwell, sorry, repeat the question. The question is then
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repeated by miss Manager. Was miss Maxwell's suit in this
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the answer? No, she wasn't. Question in this case that's
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represented by defendants Exhibit number one. No she wasn't. I'm
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sorry for interrupting you, but no, she was not sued
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at this time. No question, and why not? Brad Edwards
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once again chimes in, I'd object and ask the witness
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not to answer that question because that would be privileged
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attorney client privileged information that was between miss Joffrey and
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Podhurst or SEC firm at the time. So I'm instructing
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you not to answer, Miss Meninger. All right, Miss Jeoffrey,
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did you make a decision yourself whether or not to
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assume Miss Maxwell as part of the lawsuit against Jane
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Doe one h two versus Jeffrey Epstein. Response, I think
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I've been advised not to answer that question. Next question,
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This is a different question, Virginia, Oh, okay, question, So
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your counsel can assert a privilege but that question did
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not call for privileged information. Brad Edwards tries to interject,
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but Menager stops him in his tracks. I'm asking about
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what you decided to do, whether you decided to ssue
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Miss Maxwell or not. At the same time, Jane Doe
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one h two versus Epstein was filed. Edwards again chimes in,
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and I disagree, and I object to this invading the
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attorney client privilege, and I am instructing you not to answer.
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Ms Menninger. Can you answer that question without revealing any
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attorney client communication whether you made a decision to file
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a lawsuit or not. Virginia, I'm going to have to
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listen to my attorney and not answer the question. Question
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all right, I would like to show you some documents
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that were filed in what we'll call the CVRA case,
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the Crime Victims Rights Act case. Do you know what
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I mean by that reference, Virginia, I'm familiar with that. Okay.
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I'm going to start with one, Honor about December thirtieth,
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twenty fourteen. We will mark it as defendants Exhibit two.
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Exhibit too marked Brad Edwards, thank you, manager. All right,
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Miss Joffrey, do you recognize defendants exhibit two. Response, Yes,
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and what do you understand it to be? Response? I
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believe this is when I was hoping to join the
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CVRA case. Question all right, and do you know when
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this document was filed? And actually, just to be clear
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about halfway, there's actually a second document that was filed.
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So this is a composite exhibit. Let me be very clear.
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So after page fourteen I'm sorry, thirteen, there's a second
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document that is styled Jane Do three and Jane Doe
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four's correct emotion pursue and to rule twenty one for
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joinder in action. Do you see that response? Did you
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say page fourteen? Question? It's on page fourteen of this document.
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Do you see that response? I do? Question? And so
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this composite exhibit too has both a motion and the
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correct emotion. Do you see that? Answer? Yes? Question? And
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where both of these pleadings authorized by you to be filed? Answer? Yes. Question.
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In other words, you wanted to join CVRA action in
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or about December thirtieth, twenty fourteen. Correct answer. I'm not
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aware of the exact dates. There's no dates on this,
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but I did try to join that motion. Yes. Question,
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all right, If you can look at the top of
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the line of the document. Answer yes. Question does it
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say entered on FLSD? Answer? Oh, it does too. I'm sorry. Yes.
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Question that's all right. So does that refresh your memory
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as to at when you first sought to join the
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CVRA action? Answer yes, question December thirtieth, twenty fourteen. Correct, yes,
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and the corrected motion was filed a few days later.
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Correct yes, correct. Question if I could turn to defendant's
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exhibit three, which was January twenty first Exhibit three marked
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mister Edwards, thank you. Question missmanager, do you recognize this document?
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Virginia responds yes, I do. What do you understand this
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document to be? Virginia, It's a rough background of the
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years that I was abused by Glaine and Jeffrey. Question
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all right, and this is something I believe that you
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on page fifteen signed? Is that true? Answer? Just let
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me have a look. Question sure. Answer. I think I'm
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actually missing page fifteen. Oh here we go. Question, Sorry,
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I'm looking at the numbers on the top right. I apologize.
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I believe there was some cover page or something that
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was excluded. Brad Edwards chimes in, and just for the record,
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I'm going to object to the relevance of this document.
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I'm going to allow the witness to answer the question,
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but I want my objection on the record. Mismanager, Okay,
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simple objection relevance. Are we talking about this page? Question
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by mismanager? Yes, the one with the black box. Yes.
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Do you believe that you have contained your signature? Answer? Yes?
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Question all right? And you executed that on January nineteenth,
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twenty fifteen. At the very top of the page it
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says January twenty first, twenty fifteen. Question the data was filed?
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Is there a date just above this signature block? Answer? Oh? Yes, sorry,
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there it is. Question and what date? What date was that? Answer?
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The nineteenth of January twenty fifteen? Okay, And this document
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is something that you believe contains the truth correct Virginia,
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to the best of my knowledge at the time, Yes,
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all right. Did something change between the time then and
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today that makes you believe that it's not all accurate? Answer? Well,
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as you can see in line four on page one,
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I wasn't aware of my dates. I was just doing
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the best to guesstimate when I actually met them. Since then,
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I've been able to find out that through my Mara
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Alago records that it was actually the summer of two thousand,
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not the summer of nineteen ninety nine. Manager. Oh, I'm sorry.
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Are you back on page twelve, Virginia, I'm on the
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first page, manager, okay, And you're talking about line four, yes,
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line four Manager, paragraph four or line four Virginia, Oh, sorry,
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number four? The paragraph number four? Question? Okay? And what
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part of the paragraph four do you believe to be untrue?
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And approximately? But right there Brad Edwards steps in and
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he objects to the form. But you can answer, Virginia.
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In approximately nineteen ninety nine, when I was fifteen years old,
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I met Glan Maxwell. Question by Menager, Okay, answer, I
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now know that it was two thousand, that I was
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sixteen years old when I met Glan Maxwell. Question. So,
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when you signed this document under penalty of perjury stating
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that it was true, you no longer believe that it
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to be true, Virginia. It was an honest mistake. We
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had no idea, had a pinpoint, without any kind of
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records or dates or anything like that. I was just
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going back chronologically through time and that's the best time
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that I thought it was. And now I know the facts,
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So it's good to know question. So you now believe
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that a document you filed under oath is no longer true?
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Edwards again, Objects object to form Virginia, I wouldn't say
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that it wasn't true. I was just unaware of the
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times and the dates. Menager again, is there more than
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one truth? Miss Roberts answer, no, there's no more than
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one truth. Question all right, So a document in which
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you swore that you were fifteen years old when you
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met Glaine Maxwell is an untrue statement? Correct Edwards objects
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again to the form Virginia. It's not that it's an
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untrue statement. It was a mistake. So it wasn't intentionally
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trying to say something that wasn't true. It was to
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the best knowledge that I thought it was nineteen ninety nine,
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and when I got my records from mar A Lago,
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I was able to find out that it was two thousand,
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and this was entered before I found out the actual
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dates that I did work at mar A Lago. Manager. Okay,
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so a document that you filed under oath, Virginia, Uh huh, Manager,
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is now you believe to be untrue? Not? Correct Edwards again,
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Objects asked an answered, Manager, you may answer, Edwards answer again, Virginia. Again,
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I wouldn't say it's untrue. Untrue would mean that I
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would have lied, and I didn't lie. This was my
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best knowledge at the time, and I did my very
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best to try to pinpoint time periods going back such
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a long time ago. It wasn't until I found the
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facts that I worked at mar A Lago at two
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thousand that I was able to figure that out, Menager.
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And approximately when did you learn those facts about the
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dates you worked at mar A Lago, Virginia. I would
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say it was about mid twenty fifteen, Menager. Mid twenty
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fifteen is the first time you became aware of the dates, Virginia.
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I don't know the exact Menager interrupts her. If you
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could just let me finish, Virginia apologizes, I'm sorry, Menager,
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that's all right. Approximately mid twenty fifteen when you learn
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the true dates that you had worked at mar A Lago, Virginia.
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That's correct. Sorry, And based on the fact that you
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learned you had worked at mar A Lago in two thousand,
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you became aware in mid twenty fifteen, Virginia, Uh huh,
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question that you had met miss Maxwell in two thousand, correct,
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answered sure, that's again cut off by Bradley Edwards objective form.
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Virginia then answers, that's correct. All right. We're gonna wrap
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up with the first episode here and in the next
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episode we're gonna pick up with part two. All of
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the information that goes with this episode can be found
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in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick
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up where we left off with the Virginia Roberts deposition.
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So let's just dive right back in. Menainger, okay, and
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who provided you those mar a Lago records in approximately
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mid twenty fifteen. Edwards once again objects. I'm going to
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object and to the extent that this invades the attorney
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client privilege. If it was your attorneys that you spoke
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to and learn this information or receive this information from,
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then you're instructed not to answer. Virginia, I cannot answer
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the question, menager, did you yourself look at records in
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the middle of twenty fifteen, regardless of who showed them
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to you? Mister Edwards objection, and to the extent that
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they were showed to you or shared by any of
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your lawyers you're instructed not to answer the question. It
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invades the attorney client privilege. Menager again asked, did you
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look at the mar A Lago records in the middle
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of twenty fifteen yourself? Edwards, She's not answering the question, Menager.
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On what grounds is she not answering the question? Edwards?
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I just told you it invades the attorney client privilege.
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If she learned, I will instruct her. If she learned
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by some other way than by her attorneys sharing the
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information with her, then she can answer the question. Menager,
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I'm asking you not to tell me whether your attorney
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showed you the record. I'm asking you not to tell
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me the source of the record. I'm asking you if
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you personally in the middle of twenty fifteen looked at
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mar A Lago's records, Mister Edwards, same objection, same instruction. Manager.
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I'm going to show you an exhibit filed on oh
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I believe on or about February sixth of twenty fifteen, defendants,
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Exhibit number four, Exhibit four marked Brad Edwards. Thank you, manager,
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and drawing your attention to the heading that says entered
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on the docket February sixth, twenty fifteen. Do you see that?
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Answer yes, question all right? And declaration of Jane Doe three.
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Do you see that on the first page? Answer yes.
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Question and it's the CVR case, correct, Jane do one
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and Jane Do two versus the United States of America.
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Answer yes, Manager, all right. And do you recognize this
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document Virginia? Yes? And what do you understand this document
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to be Virginia answers. I believe it's more reason to
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why I should have been added to the CVR case.
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Edwards objects objection to the relevance Council. Manager, okay. And
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again if you look to the last page of the document,
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paragraph sixty seven. Answer the last page, manager, Yes, the
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very last page, Virginia sixty seven. Yes, question all right.
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It says in paragraph sixty seven, I declare under a
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penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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Answer yes, And it was executed honor about the fifth
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day of February twenty fifteen. Correct. It's a bit smudge,
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but it kind of looks like a five. Question all right.
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And then there's a signature block that's redacted that says
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Jane do three correct answer correct. Manager. Do you believe
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that you signed this document and it was later covered
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up by that block. Answer yes, question all right? And again,
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is there anything in this document that you believe today
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to not be true? Mister Edwards, I just ask you
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that you read through the entire document and a k
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the question, miss Manager, have you seen this document before?
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Miss Joffrey. Response, I'm sure I have, but it's always
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good to refresh your memory just looking over something. Manager
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all right. She pauses. Then Virginia answers, thank you for
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giving me time to read it over. Manager certainly, so
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have you had a chance to read it over now?
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Answer yes, all right? And what parts of this document
26:26
sworn by you under penalty of perjury are not true?
26:30
Answer again, the only thing I see that is a
26:33
mistake that I made is I first met Epstein when
26:36
I was fifteen years old. Question okay, and that's in
26:39
paragraph five. Answer that's in paragraph five on the first page.
26:45
Question all right? And everything else you believe to be true? Answer? Yes,
26:50
question okay. If I could now turn to what I'll
26:53
mark as defendants Exhibit number five. Virginia response, thank you Edwards,
26:59
Thank you Manager. I think I have one more McAuley,
27:04
It's okay, if you don't, Manager, I don't think I
27:07
have all of them. Manager, all right, Do you recognize
27:10
defendants exhibit number five? Answer yes? What is the title
27:15
of that document? Answer the declaration of Virginia Jeoffrey and
27:20
that's you correct? Yes? And do you recognize which case
27:23
this declaration was filed in? Answer yes, Bradley Edwards and
27:27
Paul Cassel plaintiff versus redacted? Question all right? And what
27:32
do you understand mister Edwards and mister Cassell to be
27:35
answer and mister Edwards is my lawyer sitting next to me?
27:38
Question all right? And mister Castle is another one of
27:42
my lawyers. All right, and they are in the lawsuit
27:45
against redacted? Is that you're understanding? It's your understanding. You
27:49
don't have to look to your lawyer. If you understand,
27:52
you don't have to Virginia. No, I just don't know
27:55
if I'm allowed, Menager. That's all right, Virginia to say
27:59
a certain things about that. But yes, I believe they
28:02
were in a lawsuit. Question okay, and that's against redacted? Right?
28:08
Answer correct Edwards once again objects to form here. I
28:12
object to the relevance of the document, Menager, all right,
28:16
Ms Joffrey again, if you could turn to the last
28:19
page of this document, and do you see a signature
28:22
on that page? Answer? I do. Question whose signature is that? Virginia? Response?
28:27
That is mine? Question? And approximately when did you sign
28:31
that document? Answer? Executed this twentieth day of November twenty fifteen.
28:37
Question all right, so you sign that on November twentieth,
28:40
twenty fifteen. Answer correct question, all right, and that was
28:45
under penalty of perjury? Correct correct question? All right? If
28:50
I could now turn to what will mark as defendants
28:53
Exhibit number six Edwards, Thank you, McCauley, Thank you. Manager.
28:58
Do you recognize this dot? Rum ms? Joffrey. Virginia responds,
29:02
I do. Question all right, what do you believe this
29:05
document to be Virginia? I believe this is when I
29:08
spoke to the FBI. Okay, And do you remember about
29:12
when you spoke to the FBI. It says the date
29:16
of entry July fifth, twenty thirteen. Menager, do you believe
29:21
that you spoke to the FBI in twenty thirteen? Answer?
29:25
I thought it was twenty and eleven when I talked
29:27
to them. Question, Okay, I'm going to direct your attention
29:31
to the bottom of that page the first page. Do
29:35
you see that answer yes, question the last few lines
29:38
there have another day answer oh, yes, investigation of yes.
29:43
Question all right, answer so that makes sense? Okay? Question
29:48
by Menager. Okay, what do you understand that to be
29:51
and if it refreshes your recollection about when you spoke
29:54
to the FBI, just let us know. Answer yeah. March seventeenth,
29:59
twenty eleven. That sounds more right than twenty thirteen. Meninger
30:04
again asked a question okay, and where did you speak
30:07
to them Virginia. Response? I believe this was in the
30:11
office of the Consulate, the American Consulate in Sydney. Question Sydney, Australia.
30:16
Answer Sydney, Australia. Question okay, and you were there in
30:21
person with these FBI agents answer correct question and they
30:26
were taking notes when they spoke to you? Answer yes?
30:29
Were they recording the interview? To your knowledge? Answer? I
30:33
believe they were. Question Okay, have you had a chance
30:37
to review this report? And I will make note for
30:39
the record that there are obviously many places that are
30:42
blacked out? Answer yeah, question or white out? Is that fair? Answer? Yes?
30:49
Question all right? Have you had a chance to review
30:52
this one with whited out portions of it before today?
30:56
Answer yes. Question all right, And you understood when you
31:00
were speaking to the FBI that they were federal agents
31:03
correct answer yes, and that you were supposed to tell
31:06
them the truth? Correct absolutely. Question and do you believe
31:11
that you did, in fact tell them the truth? Answer
31:14
to the best of my knowledge. Again, when it comes
31:17
to dates and times, I was obviously off, but everything
31:20
else is absolutely one hundred percent true. Question okay, and
31:25
you have reviewed any Have you at any time reviewed
31:29
this document without any portions wipe it out? Answer? I
31:32
don't believe I've seen this document without the portions. Okay,
31:36
So you don't know, for example, what's behind those other
31:39
than what you recall? Answer no, question, having told the
31:43
FBI at the time, correct answer, that is correct. Question Okay,
31:48
I'm going to show you a new document. Virginia responds, okay, Manager,
31:54
you can just put that to the side, defendants Exhibit
31:56
number seven Manager All right, Edwards, thank you, manager, And
32:01
do you recognize this document? Virginia then replies yes, manager,
32:06
And what do you understand it to be? Well, this
32:09
was the phone conversation that I had between Jack Scarrola
32:13
and Brad Edwards. Manager. Okay. And then the last, the
32:19
last document, I hope is manager, the big one Manager?
32:23
All right, do you recognize I'm going to I'm sorry
32:27
if I didn't say it already. This is defendant's Exhibit
32:30
number eight. Do you recognize this document, Virginia, Yes, I do.
32:34
Question what is this document? Answer? This is a manuscript
32:39
that I was writing, I believe, back in twenty eleven,
32:42
regarding some of my life story. And just to make
32:45
it known, this is based on true events. But I
32:48
wouldn't say fictional, but just based on true events. Not
32:52
everything in it is not everything is in there, and
32:55
not everything is you know, correct. So there's a few
32:58
mistakes in there, okay, So off the top of your head,
33:02
do you recall any mistakes that are in there now?
33:04
Without reading the one hundred and forty page document, mister Edwards,
33:09
We're going to be here a long time. Answer? Yeah,
33:12
we could be here a very long time. I mean,
33:14
I'd like to say a majority of it is correct.
33:18
Some names have been changed in order to protect other people.
33:21
Question Manager, protect their privacy? Answer? Protect their privacy? Yeah,
33:26
I would say, just not getting them involved. If this
33:29
were to Averrago public. Question, Well, again, without reading the
33:33
whole manuscript. Virginia reading it. Yeah, but I'm trying to
33:37
see if I can see something in here. Manager, Let
33:41
me narrow my question and maybe that will help answer. Okay, question,
33:46
is there anything Well? First of all, did you author
33:49
that entire manuscript? Answer? Yes, I did. Question did anyone
33:54
else author part of the manuscript? Answer? Do you mean
33:57
anyone else write this with me? Question? Right? Answer? No,
34:02
So that's all you're writing, Virginia, this is my writing manager. Okay,
34:07
to the best of your recollection as you sit here
34:10
right now, is there anything in that manuscript about Gallaine
34:13
Maxwell that is untrue? Answer? I don't believe so. Like
34:17
I said before, there's a lot of stuff that I
34:19
actually have left out of her question. Uh huh. Answer,
34:24
So there is a lot more information I could put
34:27
in there, But as far as glain Maxwell goes, I
34:29
would like to say that there is ninety nine point
34:31
nine percent of it would be to the correct knowledge. Manager,
34:35
All right, anything else that you I understand you're doing
34:38
this for memory? Is there anything else that you recall
34:41
as you're sitting here today about Gallainne Maxwell that is
34:44
contained in the manuscript that is not true? Virginia. You know,
34:49
I haven't read this in a very long time. I
34:51
don't believe that there's anything in here about Gallainne Maxwell.
34:54
That's not true, mister Edwards. I just ask counsel if
34:58
you have anything specific to show about Klainne Maxwell. Menager,
35:02
I'll ask questions, Edwards. Well, i'll have her look at it, Menager.
35:07
I'll ask questions. Mister Edwards. I know, but I want
35:11
the record clear that if she hasn't read it in
35:13
a long time, she Menager, it erupts. She made the
35:17
record very clear. Thank you. She doesn't need you to
35:19
make a record, Edwards. I'm not making records, but you're
35:23
making this last longer. There's no need for this. This
35:26
doesn't have to be an unpleasant process. I want her
35:29
to help you. Menager. I don't find it unpleasant. I'm
35:33
sorry if you do, mister Edwards. Okay, well, then I
35:37
object to that last series of questions to the extent
35:39
that she was unable to look at what you wanted
35:42
her to look at. Menager. I would like to turn
35:45
to the next document filed on March sixteenth of this year,
35:48
or actually, let me rephrase that. A document dated March sixteenth,
35:52
of this year, which we will mark as defendants Exhibit
35:55
number nine. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up well
35:58
part two right here, and the next episode we're gonna
36:01
pick up where we left off. All of the information
36:04
that goes with this episode can be found in the
36:08
description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the
36:11
Epstein Chronicles. This episode, we're gonna pick up where we
36:15
left off with the Virginia Roberts deposition, So let's get
36:21
back to it. Ms Meninger, do you recognize this document,
36:25
Miss Joffrey Virginia, Yes, I do, all right? And what
36:29
is your understanding of what this document represents? Based upon
36:35
the title, it is plaintiff's response and objections to defendant's
36:39
first set of discovery requests. A plaintiff question and are
36:43
you the plaintiff? Answer? I am the plaintiff, yes, question
36:47
all right. So it's your response to Miss Maxwell's discovery request.
36:51
Correct answer, correct manager, all right? And if you look
36:56
at the last page, or I'm sorry it would be
36:59
the second plat page, you might see signatures of your attorney.
37:03
Correct answer, I see printed names, question printed electronic signature answer. Okay, Manager,
37:11
will have a little s in front of it. Virginia,
37:14
all right, manager, do you see that? Virginia. I can
37:18
see there, Yeah, the printed names, So if it's electronic signature,
37:22
then yes, manager, all right, and the date on that
37:26
is March sixteenth of twenty sixteen. Virginia responds, correct, manager,
37:32
all right, So, without revealing the content of your conversations,
37:35
you assisted in preparing responses to discovery requests. Correct answer, yes, Manager,
37:42
all right. I'm going to show you a subsequent one,
37:45
mark defendants Exhibit ten and dated March twenty second Exhibit
37:49
ten marked question by miss manager. If you can take
37:53
a look at that answer, Thank you, manager. And while
37:56
we're at it, I'm going to give you defendants exhibit
37:59
number eleven so you can look at them together. Miss
38:03
manager all right. Virginia response, thank you. Manager. All right.
38:07
So looking at defendants Exhibit ten, do you recognize that document?
38:12
Virginia response a plaintiff supplemental response and objections to Defendant's
38:17
first set of discovery requests to Plaintiff. I've seen a
38:20
lot of documents and they all look the same. But
38:23
I'm sure I've seen it, all right, And looking again
38:26
at the last page or I'm sorry this time it
38:29
will be the third to last page. Manager, do you
38:34
see your attorneys signature and the date March twenty second,
38:37
twenty sixteen, correct answer, I do, question, all right? And
38:42
then looking at defendants Exhibit eleven, that's your declaration correct answer, Yes,
38:47
it is. Question and declaring under penalty of perjury as
38:52
of March twenty second, twenty sixteen. That the supplemental response
38:56
and objections are true and correct. Right answer correct, Manager,
39:01
And you that's your signature. Virginia responds, that's mine, Manager,
39:06
and you are swearing under penalty of perjury that defendants
39:10
Exhibit ten is true and correct. Virginia responds yes, Manager,
39:15
as of March twenty second, twenty sixteen. Right, Virginia, yes,
39:21
all right? And then one more on that defendants Exhibit twelve. Manager,
39:26
do you recognize this document? Virginia responds yes, okay, and
39:31
what is this document? Answer Plaintiff's second amended Supplemental Response
39:36
and Objections to Defendants first set of discovery requests to
39:40
plaintiff Manager, all right, and again turning to the very
39:44
rear section, I think you'll see your attorney signatures again
39:48
and the date of April twenty ninth, twenty sixteen, Virginia,
39:53
I do see that, okay, all right? And again you
39:56
authorize this document to be file, correct, Virginia. Correct, Manager,
40:01
and the statements contained therein are true to the best
40:04
of your knowledge, correct, Virginia. Correct, And that's April twenty ninth,
40:10
is just a few days ago, correct, Virginia. Once again, yes,
40:14
all right? Do you review this April twenty ninth document
40:17
before it was filed or served? Virginia? Like I said,
40:21
I've seen a lot of documents and they all look alike,
40:24
but I'm sure I've seen this one, Menager. Okay. And
40:27
if it's something that was served last Friday, does that
40:30
refresh your recollection that you reviewed it before it was
40:34
served on April twenty ninth, twenty sixteen, Virginia. I believe
40:39
I have seen this, Manager, and you were here in
40:43
the US last Friday, Virginia. Yes, Manager, so you saw
40:48
it in person? Correct? Yes, I was looking at a
40:51
lot of documents on Friday. Manager, Okay, Virginia responds, I
40:55
believe this definitely could be the one that I looked at, Menager.
40:59
All right, if I could direct your attention to let
41:02
me see in that document. Edwards objects again Exhibit twelve,
41:07
manager responds, uh huh, defendants Exhibit number twelve. Manager to page. Sorry,
41:13
you're not the only one who's seen a lot of documents. Well,
41:17
without asking you to look at the page, can you
41:19
tell me what you're between nineteen ninety six and well
41:23
in nineteen ninety six to two thousand and two. What
41:26
was the first job that you held? Answer? I believe
41:29
the first job that I held was in the year
41:31
two thousand and that was at mar A Lago. Question okay,
41:36
and that's the first job you held as a teenager
41:38
or at any point that you can recall. Answer that
41:42
I recall. Question all right, did you ever work at
41:45
Taco Bell? Answer? My ex boyfriend used to work there,
41:49
and I would help him out. I was never really
41:51
I don't think I was employed there. He was my boyfriend,
41:54
so I stayed there with him all the time. Question
41:57
what was his name? Answer? I called him redacted, but
42:01
I think his real name was redacted. Question okay, so
42:05
he was employed there, but you were not employed there. Answer?
42:09
I used to go there to help him out. Question
42:11
did you have a uniform? Answer? I would have to
42:14
wear a shirt when I was there. Yes, he was
42:17
the manager. So question oh a Taco Bell shirt. Answer, yes, okay,
42:22
did you get a paycheck from them? I believe redacted
42:25
paid me. How did he pay you? Answer with a check?
42:28
Manager then responds written from Taco Bell. Virginia, you know,
42:33
I don't know. Sorry, I just remember he asked me
42:35
to come in and help him out, and that I
42:38
really don't consider myself an employee there. But question, just
42:42
wearing the shirt and getting a paycheck didn't cause you
42:45
to think that you were an employee? Answer Virginia, Well,
42:49
mister Edwards then objects to the form mischaracterizes her testimony. Virginia, Yeah,
42:55
I know. I mean it was my boyfriend. I was
42:57
helping him out, so that's the way I looked at it.
43:00
Question by mismanager. Is there any other place that you
43:04
wore a uniform and got a check from in the
43:06
years from nineteen ninety six to two thousand? Answer? I
43:10
did work at publics as a bad girl, but that
43:13
was only for a couple of weeks. I think. Manager.
43:16
Which Publix was it? Answer? I believe it was in Locksahatchie. Okay,
43:22
so do you remember the street? Virginia? No, Manager, all right?
43:27
Anywhere else you wore a uniform and got a paycheck. Answer,
43:31
I volunteered at a bird aviary. Question what was the
43:35
name of that? Answer? I don't know the name of it,
43:37
but it was I'm an animal lover. So question okay,
43:41
answer it's something I enjoyed doing. Question by manager, Okay,
43:46
did you get a check from them? Answer? I volunteered.
43:49
I think they eventually put me on some kinds of payroll.
43:51
I don't think it was much though. Question okay, so
43:55
that year you were helping out in Taco Bell wearing
43:58
a uniform and getting a check. Virginia, I have no
44:01
idea when it comes to years. Question was it before
44:05
or after mar A Lago? Virginia before mar A Lago?
44:09
Question okay, and how mar A Lago was my first
44:12
real job, so Virginia interjects. Meninger goes on to say
44:17
what's that. Then Virginia responds, mar A Lago was my
44:20
first real job, menager, what do you mean by real job? Virginia, like,
44:26
you know, fully employed, sit down for an interview and
44:29
you know. Question okay, so Taco Bell? Was Taco Bell
44:33
the first place you got a paycheck from? To this,
44:35
mister Edwards objects again Virginia, I don't know to be honest.
44:40
Question by miss Meninger. And in what order did Taco Bell,
44:44
Publics and mar A Lago go and the Aviary? Sorry? Oh,
44:48
I would have to guess. Do you want me to guess? Question? Sure, Virginia.
44:53
I would say Publics, and then I think that's when
44:56
I helped my boyfriend out at Taco Bell, and then
44:58
I think it was the av Question and where was
45:03
the Taco Bell? Answer? I was living in Fort Law.
45:06
I think it was Fort Lauderdale. Don't quote me on that,
45:09
but somewhere in Florida, Broward County something like that. Question
45:13
And who were you living with at this time? Answer Michael?
45:17
His name is James, but Michael. Question So you were
45:20
living with Michael when you worked at Taco Bell? Right answer, yes,
45:24
I was living with them. Question and when you worked
45:27
with Michael when you worked at Publics? Correct? No question? Okay,
45:32
So Publics came after Taco Bell or before? Virginia, I
45:37
think it came, like I said, don't quote me on it,
45:40
but I think Publics came before it. Menager? And who
45:43
are you living with when you worked at Publics? Answer
45:46
by Virginia my mom and my dad? Menager? And who
45:50
were you living with when you worked at the aviary,
45:53
answer my mom and my dad. Question anywhere else that
45:57
you got a paycheck from before two thousand, Virginia, No,
46:01
not that I can think of. Question okay, anywhere else
46:05
you wore a uniform answer besides Marrow Lago. Yeah, that's it.
46:09
Question okay. So how long was it before working at
46:13
any of those three places? And the time that you
46:15
worked at mar A Lago, Virginia applies. I have no idea,
46:19
I'm sorry, manager interrupts. Years months, Virginia. Oh, we're going
46:25
back chronologically. I was trying to get my ged and
46:28
I was a summer break, and that's when I started
46:31
working for mar A Lago. So that mar A Lago
46:34
we know now is the year two thousand. So I
46:37
would have to say a month question by manager. Months?
46:42
And what was the job you believe you had immediately
46:46
prior to mar A Lago, Virginia. If I were correct,
46:49
it would be the aviary that I volunteered at. Question Okay.
46:53
And you believe you were living with your parents at
46:55
the time that you worked at the aviary, Virginia. Yesestion
47:00
by manager, okay, and not living with redacted Virginia redacted
47:04
might have been living with me and my parents. Question. Okay,
47:08
so you recall redacted was living with you and your
47:10
parents at the time you worked at the aviary. Virginia
47:14
starts to answer, and Sigaret McAuley here objects objection mischaracterizes testimony. Manager,
47:23
and was redacted living with you and your parents at
47:27
the time you started at mar A Lago? Virginia responds yes, manager,
47:33
And what address was redacted living with you and your
47:36
parents at at the time you started at marri A Lago?
47:40
Answer my parents address, whatever address you were living at
47:45
at the time you started at mar A Lago, Virginia redacted. Lochsahachie, Florida,
47:51
thirty three, four seventy Question, how is it that you
47:55
came to work at mar A Lago, Virginia. My dad's
47:59
a maintenance manager or supervisor. I don't know what you
48:02
call it, but he worked in the maintenance department, mostly
48:05
on tennis courts, working on the air conditioning, helping set
48:08
up for functions, and he got me a summer job there. Manager. Okay,
48:13
and you said you were on a break Virginia. Yes, manager,
48:18
what were you on a break from? Virginia? I think
48:21
like this is going back so long now. But I
48:23
was attempting to get my GED and summer came, so
48:27
school stops during the summertime here in America, and I
48:30
got a summer job. Question all right, And where were
48:34
you in school, Virginia. I don't actually know the name
48:37
of the place. It's called. Yeah, I know manager, a
48:41
GED place, Virginia. Yeah, it was like I was previously
48:45
in Royal Palm Beach High School. But I mean, because
48:48
of a lot of circumstances that I had been subjected to,
48:51
I decided I wanted to get my GED. Manager. Okay,
48:56
so you were going to an actual school to get
48:58
your GED, that's what you're saying, Virginia responds yes, manager,
49:03
And that school, whatever it was that you were getting
49:06
your GED, was not Palm Beach High School, right answer, no, Manager,
49:12
and it whatever the school was where you were getting
49:14
your GED took a summer break, Virginia. I believe so.
49:18
And that was in two thousand, Menager ass now that
49:21
we know the dates. Yes, came the reply from Virginia.
49:25
And that's when your dad helped you get a quote
49:28
unquote summer job. Answer yes, question, all right, And that
49:33
summer job was at mar A Lago. Virginia answers yes, Manager, Okay,
49:39
Now tell me how you sort of came into mar
49:41
aw Lago for the first time. He asked you to come,
49:43
they called you. What happened, Virginia. My dad was very
49:48
like there, so I think he talked to some people
49:50
who were in HR and then they said for me
49:53
to come for an interview question uh huh, Virginia, to
49:57
be interviewed for a locker room assistant says, uh huh, Virginia.
50:02
They liked me. I had to go through a series
50:04
of drug tests, polygraph tests. I mean, it was a
50:07
very extensive regiment to get the job there. Manager, Yeah, Virginia.
50:12
And then when all those came back good, I started
50:14
the job. Manager. So how long do you think it
50:17
took for you to go through that extensive series of
50:20
drug tests and polygraph tests? Virginia. I did them both
50:24
the same day, Manager, Okay, when was the interview? Was
50:28
it on the same day a different day, Virginia. I
50:31
believe it was a few days beforehand. Manager. Okay, do
50:34
you remember who you interviewed with, Virginia. No. Manager, do
50:39
you remember the title of the job for which you
50:42
were interviewing. Virginia responds, locker room attendant. Manager. Locker room
50:49
attendant was the name, Virginia of the position manager? Yes,
50:53
Virginia responds, yes, manager. And then did they give you training,
50:58
Virginia non? Did they show you how to work the lockers? Virginia, Well,
51:03
I mean there was a girl who already worked there
51:06
at the front desk. I think she helped make appointments
51:08
and greeted people, and then she just told me my
51:11
duties in the locker room were to, you know, make tea.
51:14
I had never made tea before, so that was that
51:17
was fun, learn how to make tea. Clean up after
51:19
the ladies who had been in the locker room, make
51:21
sure the bathrooms were kept nice and tidy. You foled
51:24
the toilet paper into a little triangle every time you
51:27
went to the toilet, clean up the sink area. It
51:30
was a very crazy job. Menainger, do you remember the
51:33
names of any of your coworkers who work with you
51:35
at mar A Lago, Virginia answers. I believe the head
51:39
of the spy area was Adriana or Adrian I can't
51:42
remember exactly, Okay, And the girl who trained me, I
51:46
have a very clear picture of her face, but I
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can't remember her name. Question, all right, what did she
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look like? Answer? She had blonde hair, probably to her
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shoulders and it was curly Menager, And how old was she? Virginia?
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Your response, I'd say in her twenties. Manager, all right,
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did they check your identification when you went in for
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your job interview or your Virginia answers. It was very extensive.
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I'm sure they would have had to check and make
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sure that I was who I was. Manager, and so
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you had a driver's license, right, Virginia, I believe so.
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And Manager, all right, and let's see. Did you move
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to a different position while you were there or did
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you always stay in the locker room? Virginia, I wasn't
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there very long, so I just Manager interrupts just one second.
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Did you always stay as a locker room attendant? Virginia responds, yes, Manager, Okay,
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I just need to finish my question for the court reporter.
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All right, folks, we're going to wrap up there, and
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in the next episode, we're going to keep it rolling
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with this explosive deposition. All of the information that goes
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