Latest / Simply Bitcoin / 5 Reasons Bitcoin Is About To ABSOLUTELY EXPLODE: Here's Why | EP 1124
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- 0:00Yo, despite many people claiming that Bitcoin might have taught
- 0:04because it failed to break its all time high at $99,500 on its
- 0:09first try. Today we're going to be
- 0:11exploring five data points that prove Bitcoin is likely to soar
- 0:16well past 100K. They say history doesn't repeat,
- 0:20but it often does rhyme. So let's dive into this Bitcoin
- 0:24mag article saying despite the Bitcoin run up, Bitcoin on chain
- 0:28metrics are saying that the bull run is far from over.
- 0:33So here we go reason #1 again, a great article from Bitcoin
- 0:36Magazine about on chain metrics. And guys, before you throw
- 0:39tomatoes, we're not talking TA here.
- 0:40We're talking some on chain metrics with historically have
- 0:43shown what is happening on the Bitcoin bull run and Bitcoin
- 0:47price movement. So first, one reason number one
- 0:50is there's plenty of upside remaining and and the first
- 0:53reason is the MVRVZ score compares Bitcoins market cap or
- 0:57price multiplied by circulating supply with its realized cap,
- 1:01which is the average price at which all Bitcoin were last
- 1:04transacted. And historically this metric
- 1:07single signals when the market is overheated and when it isn't.
- 1:10And you guys can see here from the first chart that we're not
- 1:13even close to being overheated when the MVRVZ score is still
- 1:17considerably low in this bull market.
- 1:19There's still a lot of room to run.
- 1:22And for the audio listeners, we're at a price of around 3 in
- 1:25the MV RV score. And you really start to see the
- 1:29price get overheated once it gets over 7 and into the 9
- 1:32metric. So that's rule number one reason
- 1:34#1 So still a lot of room to run.
- 1:37We're currently, you know, at like 3 once we get into 7 and 10
- 1:40ranges when things start to get crazy.
- 1:42And of course, I'm not here alone.
- 1:44I'm here with our Co host or rather our fearless leader in Co
- 1:48host C Nico and George McHale from Bitcoin magazine.
- 1:52So we got a good show for you guys, but let's get back into
- 1:55some of these reasons. So the second reason is minor
- 1:58profitability. This is when you know, you know
- 2:00whether the miners are selling, whether they're in the green and
- 2:02what they're doing. And this is called the pure
- 2:04multiple. And this evaluates minor
- 2:06profitability by comparing the daily USD denominated revenue to
- 2:10the previous one year moving average.
- 2:13And post having miners earnings dropped by 50%, which led to
- 2:16multiple month periods of decreased earnings as the price
- 2:19consolidated again super low. In regards to the bull run FOMO
- 2:25that we've seen in the past, you know, we don't know what's going
- 2:28to happen in the future, but looking backwards, we got some
- 2:30good data on what is going to happen in the future.
- 2:33Again, minor earnings have just crossed back above this yearly
- 2:36average with with post halving has signified the start of
- 2:40exponential bullish price action.
- 2:42Again, for the audio listeners, it's way below the line before
- 2:46we start to see the bull run FOMO.
- 2:48So rule #2 or reason #2 it looks like, you know, the metrics on
- 2:53chain metrics for Bitcoin is showing that there's still a lot
- 2:56of room to run. Even though 100K is kind of a
- 2:59psychological point, it's kind of a victory lap for us
- 3:02Bitcoiners. There's still so much room to
- 3:04run, which I think it's kind of breaking through the meme of all
- 3:07of us bit corners with PTSD saying like, man, it's only
- 3:10going to stop at 100K, It's only going to stop at 200 K.
- 3:12It's like, no, I, I think this time might be a little
- 3:15different. I think we might be running into
- 3:17the six figures. Anyways.
- 3:19Next one is measuring market sentiment.
- 3:22The net unrealized profit and loss metric quantifies the
- 3:25network's overall profitability, mapping sentiment across phases
- 3:28like optimism, belief in euphoria.
- 3:30It's similar to the MVRVZ score at derived from realized value
- 3:35or investor cost basis. And it looks at the current
- 3:38estimated profit or loss for all holders.
- 3:40Again, it's not in the Euphoria green stage yet.
- 3:43And this metric is, this metric is still lower than levels
- 3:46experienced at a previous all time high in March.
- 3:48So reason #3 it looks like some more on chain metrics are
- 3:52showing us there's still a lot of room to run.
- 3:54We have not gotten into the FOMO Euphoria green stage of the
- 3:58cycle. And realistically, at least my
- 4:00view and me and Nico kind of been joking about this on the
- 4:03show like 100 KS here cool, but like we still feel dead inside
- 4:06like when are we going to see some crazy price movements here
- 4:10all right next one long term holder trend.
- 4:12So the percentage of Bitcoin held for over a year represented
- 4:15by the one plus year hotter wave remains exceptionally high at
- 4:19around 64%, which is still higher than at any other point
- 4:22in bitcoin's history prior to the cycle.
- 4:25Prior price peaks in 2017 and 2021 saw these values fall to 40
- 4:29to 53%, respectively. As long term holders begin to
- 4:33realize profits, if something similar happens during this
- 4:36cycle, then we still have millions of Bitcoin to be
- 4:38transferred to new market participants.
- 4:41So as you can see here, you know on the chart, there's still more
- 4:44BTC held by longer term holders than at any other point in
- 4:48Bitcoin's history prior to the cycle.
- 4:50And as the price comes up, you can see that long term holders
- 4:54start to distribute the coin. You know, they take some
- 4:56profits, a new entrance in the Bitcoin market, start to scoop
- 4:58up that Bitcoin. We're still at basically all
- 5:01time high in that regard. So reason #4 we haven't seen the
- 5:05distribution of coins. People that understand Bitcoin
- 5:08that are holding Bitcoin are still holding that Bitcoin
- 5:11because it hasn't hit their, you know, psychological price
- 5:13targets. So next one guys, we're, we're,
- 5:16we're still cooking. We're still cooking is long term
- 5:19holder supply. The long term holders are still
- 5:21yet to realize substantial profits, which is what I just
- 5:24said. People that have been in
- 5:25Bitcoin, you know, the whales, etcetera, long term holders,
- 5:28they're still holding their Bitcoin.
- 5:30They, they, they're not feeling the euphoria, the greed, the
- 5:32FOMO yet. So 100K where it looks like we
- 5:36might be about, we might break 100K on today's show.
- 5:38And it's, we're not even close there.
- 5:41And of course, you know, it's tracking some smart money.
- 5:44People aren't selling the coins. People are still huddling guys.
- 5:46So 1 meme. I know you guys are yelling at
- 5:49me because it's Friday and we're not putting up the memes, but I,
- 5:52I thought I had to, I thought I had to slip this one in for you
- 5:55guys. Shouts out to Bitcoin Isaiah and
- 5:57he goes, you know what's crazy? This is only the 1st, 1st
- 6:00monthly candle since the breakout.
- 6:02And after the breakouts, you usually have 11 months of
- 6:05pumping. Are you ready for 11 months?
- 6:07So in 2017, eleven month candles until the top, 2021 eleven month
- 6:12candles until the top. So guys, mentally prepare
- 6:14yourself. Are you ready for 11 more?
- 6:17Well, rather, I guess 10 more months of pumping like we've
- 6:20seen this last month. I don't know about you, but I'm
- 6:23feeling I'm starting to feel bullish, Nico.
- 6:25I'm starting to get the tingles. I'm starting to be like, OK,
- 6:28man, this is what we've been waiting for.
- 6:30It's finally happened. You know, actually a little
- 6:33quick story before I pass it over.
- 6:35I was hanging out with my my buddy Alex from Kaboom racks
- 6:37over the weekend. There was a blockchain summit in
- 6:40Texas and we were we were kind of trolling, you know, we we
- 6:44know the meme of stay humble, stack sad, stay solvent.
- 6:47But at what point do we just go super toxic?
- 6:50Give me, like I told you so, I've been telling you so for a
- 6:53while and I don't think I'm there yet personally, but I'm
- 6:57starting to get the itch to be like, look, guys, friends,
- 6:59family, loved ones. I've been telling you this for
- 7:02what now 7, maybe eight years? You thought I was stupid.
- 7:07Now I'm in the green and it's going past six figures.
- 7:10I've been telling you we're going to get to this point.
- 7:12So hey, you know, I'm, I'm trying to keep it mellow.
- 7:15I've been saying that once the price starts running, I'm I'm
- 7:17going to be obnoxiously bullish on the show.
- 7:20I think once we break 100K is when that's going to come out.
- 7:23But I will be saying I told you so a little more than usual and
- 7:27I'm not going to feel ashamed about it.
- 7:29Anyways, George, you know, you're working at Bitcoin Mag,
- 7:32so let's not talk about the article per SE, but you've been
- 7:36in Bitcoin for a while. So you know what, what do you
- 7:39say to all the naysayers out there that saying like, oh,
- 7:41we're going to top out 100K? Like what's your thoughts when
- 7:44you hear that, considering you've been in Bitcoin for so
- 7:46long? Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's
- 7:50it's like you said, it's really hard to not say I told you so at
- 7:53this point, you know, it's the what is it?
- 7:56Jay-Z songs? Like what more can, what more
- 7:58can I say? Honestly, I've been, I've been
- 7:59out here posting about this for years.
- 8:03And like, if you would have just listened to me, you know, you'd
- 8:06have a lot more money than you do right now.
- 8:07So there is a balance between trying to be humble and not
- 8:12wanting to say I told you so. But also, you know, it's, it's
- 8:16nice to be to be right. And so right now there's a lot
- 8:18of vindication. I feel like we should, we
- 8:20deserve the, the victory lap a little bit.
- 8:22So, you know, 11 kind of specific victory lap that
- 8:26Bitcoiners are enjoying right now.
- 8:28Is anyone who kept their laser eyes on for the last three
- 8:31years, right? Remember this, this hashtag that
- 8:33we started? We love our our profile pic
- 8:36campaigns in Bitcoin, but I've had my laser eyes on for three
- 8:40years and I'm excited to take them off right.
- 8:43It hopefully like, you know, within the stream when we hit
- 8:46100K. So I think there's a lot to be
- 8:49excited about. What a what a time to be alive
- 8:51and the bull runs, obviously just getting started.
- 8:54So anyone who says this is the top is just not paying
- 8:56attention. We're clearly going to 250 and
- 8:59beyond. And you know, this is this is
- 9:03the start. This is this is the time to have
- 9:04fun. This is what we sit in the
- 9:05trenches for three years in a in a bear market, feeling poor for,
- 9:09for like we this is this is our time.
- 9:12So it's OK to be excited. It's OK to be happy.
- 9:14It's OK to celebrate. 100%. Let's go. 100% agree with
- 9:18George. You know, this is my some of my
- 9:21third bowl phase in my Bitcoin career, if you call it that.
- 9:27I guess time being in Bitcoin and you know, it took me about 6
- 9:311/2 seven years to orange pill my father-in-law and I finally
- 9:36got convinced him and he not only started buying Bitcoin, but
- 9:40he started understanding the properties of Bitcoin.
- 9:44And you know, he, he call I, I've been, we've been talking
- 9:47almost on a daily basis and I remember him calling me, I think
- 9:50it was like 2 days ago and I picked up the phone and I didn't
- 9:55say hello. I didn't say anything.
- 9:56I just said, I told you so. And he said, I know, and he just
- 10:00started shaking his head and he was super happy, you know, he
- 10:03was happy, he was getting it. He understood.
- 10:06And you know, I'm, I'm starting to get these messages from
- 10:09friends and family and obviously it feels good.
- 10:12It's a it's a bit of a vindication.
- 10:14And if you guys, if this is your first cycle, you're going to
- 10:17experience that, that, that vindication because most people
- 10:20get in in the run up of a bull market.
- 10:24So they get kind of wrecked a little bit and then, you know,
- 10:27you have to kind of pay your price of tuition and go through
- 10:29the trenches of the bear market and stuff.
- 10:32And that's really where, you know, you you kind of grow a
- 10:34background backbone and you get close to the community and you
- 10:38start kind of building these connections with other
- 10:40Bitcoiners. But you know, this is the
- 10:42payoff, right? You know the famous meme in
- 10:45Bitcoin, 3 green, one red, right?
- 10:47Three years of green and then one year of red, which is a bear
- 10:51market. This is the final year. 2025 is
- 10:54going to be the final year of that mania of that mania phase
- 10:57if Bitcoin follows its historic cycles at I mean, and it is like
- 11:02if you look at where Bitcoin is right now compared to 2021 and
- 11:062017, it's exactly where it should be.
- 11:08So I don't see why it would deviate.
- 11:11But you know what, this time could be different.
- 11:12I've I've also heard that the last three cycles.
- 11:17So yeah, this is great. This is great.
- 11:19Enjoy it, soak it in, you know, it's a, it's great time to be
- 11:22alive. And also, you know, if you would
- 11:24have told me back in 2016, you know, I remember the first
- 11:29Bitcoin that I bought was like 6 or $700.00 and you would have
- 11:33told me, you know, Nico is going to reach 100K.
- 11:37You know, I, I would not have believed you.
- 11:39I would have been like, no, that's, that's crazy.
- 11:41So, you know, this is a time that we've all kind of been
- 11:44expecting and been waiting for for so long and you know, it's
- 11:49finally like around the corner. Essentially.
- 11:51I'm looking at the price ticker right now.
- 11:53We're at 99,215 dollars, $800 away from, you know, 6 figure
- 12:00Bitcoin, which is just absolutely bonkers.
- 12:03And I do agree with you Opti as well.
- 12:05One last thing I'll say. I tweeted it out a couple days
- 12:08ago and I got like 2000 likes. So it clearly resonated with a
- 12:11lot of people, but I basically said that if we break 100K in
- 12:152024 and it looks like we're on the verge of doing that, I would
- 12:20be very, very surprised if we didn't, you know, go past 150 to
- 12:27$200,000, which is what the general consensus is right now.
- 12:31Like bitcoins going to reach 120, a hundred, 5200 K.
- 12:35And then, you know, pack it up, wrap it up.
- 12:37Law of big numbers, party's over.
- 12:40I don't see that being the case. This is very, very bullish price
- 12:44action. I think we were up like 3040% in
- 12:48a matter of months. So even with these large numbers
- 12:52that we're in, it still seems like bitcoins volatility is
- 12:56alive and well. And I think volatility is a good
- 12:59thing, especially, you know, if, if, if you're holding Bitcoin,
- 13:02in my opinion. Yeah, totally.
- 13:05And look, I mean, I've been saying roughly 250 to 300 K for
- 13:10like the majority of this year and that.
- 13:13That was when Bitcoin was. At like 30 K and now like 300K
- 13:19seems like it that seems bearish to me in this next cycle.
- 13:23You know, like not not to compare it with the micro
- 13:26strategy stock here, but they did a 5X this year and you know,
- 13:29Bitcoin did like a 1X and it does feel like things have
- 13:33changed this time around. And so, you know, a 5X doesn't
- 13:37seem that ridiculous now. And that's half $1,000,000 for
- 13:41corn. Obviously we are kind of, you
- 13:43know, speculating what we're feeling, the exuberance on the
- 13:46show today, considering that we might, yeah, we might, you know,
- 13:49we might break 100K live on the show today.
- 13:52But I don't know, man. It, it does feel like a lot of
- 13:54us Bitcoiners still have the PTSD from 2021.
- 13:58And I think it's going to blow past our expectations.
- 14:01Obviously we want to stay humble.
- 14:03We don't know where the price is going.
- 14:04Don't over leverage yourself, guys.
- 14:06You know, stay solving all that good stuff.
- 14:08Use leverage at all. Well, I mean, I mean over
- 14:11leverage literally by not like just taking debt out to buy
- 14:13Bitcoin, you know, like don't. Do that just.
- 14:15Yeah, just stay humble. Tax ads.
- 14:17Buy Bitcoin. You'll be good.
- 14:19You'll be good. Did.
- 14:20You take out leverage. No, dude, I am.
- 14:23I am I don't take out any leverage guys, I'm a spot
- 14:29Bitcoin maxi here. I just you know, I live within
- 14:32my means and I buy Bitcoin. This is the way that this is the
- 14:34winning strategy for every single one of us.
- 14:36It's this is how we got out of, you know, debt slavery here,
- 14:40Nika. So that's what I recommend.
- 14:41You know, I, I'm, I'm all right. Let's keep it a moment.
- 14:45You're putting me on the spot here.
- 14:46Let's let's. Keep it moving.
- 14:49Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. To be clear, let me mute these
- 14:53guys to be clear, I did not take out leverage guys.
- 14:56I I only hold spot Bitcoin. I don't even hold stocks.
- 14:59Guys, I don't even hold master like I don't hold micro
- 15:02strategy. I'm I'm just a bitcoiner.
- 15:08No, no, full stop. Full stop.
- 15:10No, guys listen, I think I do think you know, this time is
- 15:13different. It's kind of become a meme.
- 15:14But what is unique about right now and what I will say is this
- 15:19time is different. We've said that in the past, but
- 15:21we haven't really had any like ground to stand on when we say
- 15:24that we just like because bitcoiners when you come to a
- 15:27place and you like start understanding what's actually
- 15:29happening, right, only scarce asset ever created right, 21
- 15:34million not controlled by like you start getting some of these
- 15:37things, you start understanding that this is unique.
- 15:40It's easy to jump to this time is different like enough people,
- 15:43surely enough people are going to see what I see right?
- 15:46This time is actually different. Here's my thesis because number
- 15:50one, we have a a Bitcoin friendly administration.
- 15:55So game theory is going to start playing out.
- 15:57Number two, you have corporate adoption just absolutely taking
- 16:01off, right? MicroStrategy to us is massive
- 16:05because, you know, again, we kind of have this tunnel vision
- 16:07and it's all we it's all we see. Most people don't even know what
- 16:10MicroStrategy is. Most people don't know who
- 16:11Michael Saylor is. But what happens when Apple and
- 16:15Microsoft and Netflix and all these large companies that make
- 16:19MicroStrategy look very little in terms of like cash on hand
- 16:22start seeing what MicroStrategy is seeing, right?
- 16:24Michael Saylor is giving a presentation to the board of
- 16:27Microsoft in the coming weeks. So I do think this time is
- 16:30actually different in, in that we can back that up with facts
- 16:34that are happening in the market.
- 16:36And so it's almost like, you know, what happened last cycle
- 16:40with FTX and Terra Luna and you know everything that that I
- 16:43think kind of short circuited the last bull run.
- 16:46It's almost like the inverse of that is beginning to take shape
- 16:49in in in this bull run where the most bullish setup that we've
- 16:55ever seen is now taking place. So who knows, maybe the meme you
- 17:00know is going to become reality. Yeah, totally.
- 17:03You never know. It's probably a good idea to get
- 17:05some just in case it catches on. Anyways, before we move on to
- 17:07the rest of the show, guys, we're at 96 likes on YouTube.
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- 17:22for you guys left up on today's show.
- 17:24Opti, what are we going to talk about during the numbers and the
- 17:26news? So First off, I do have a great
- 17:30clip from a recent Natalie Burnell video of Michael Saylor
- 17:35and he I think really sums up the feeling that a lot of us
- 17:39Bitcoiners feel before you find Bitcoin.
- 17:41This is why all week we've been kind of saying like Bitcoin is a
- 17:43cheat code, that until you find Bitcoin, you feel like you're
- 17:47stuck in the rat race. And, and even Michael Saylor
- 17:49felt that a literal billionaire felt the same thing as every
- 17:51single one of us. Second, you know, we have some
- 17:54new kind of interesting news coming out of the Trump
- 17:56administration in this crypto council.
- 17:58So we're going to talk about that.
- 18:00And of course, we got George here from Bitcoin magazine and
- 18:03they're putting on a great conference in the Middle East.
- 18:06So we're going to be talking about all that today.
- 18:08It's going to be a great show, man, I'm I'm hyped for this.
- 18:10But Nico do the ad. Let's get on with the show.
- 18:13Absolutely, guys, stay tuned. We're going to talk to George.
- 18:15George is the general manager of Bitcoin Magazine.
- 18:18Again, they're throwing an amaze.
- 18:19They've thrown amazing conferences this year, Bitcoin
- 18:222024 and Nashville Bitcoin Amsterdam, which was awesome and
- 18:26the upcoming conference in Abu Udabi, Bitcoin Mina, which is
- 18:29going to be absolutely awesome. And George was telling us before
- 18:32we went on air Bitcoin 2025 and I said, George, how are you
- 18:36going to? How are you going to up Bitcoin
- 18:382024? And he said, Nico, we're just
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- 22:26make sure more people understand what is going on in the Bitcoin
- 22:30world. Okay, Of course it's the
- 22:31numbers. So we're over here on Clark
- 22:32Moodys dashboard and, and man the price.
- 22:35It almost feels surreal for surreal seeing this price right
- 22:39now $99,220 which means the SAT per dollar AKA how much the
- 22:44dollar is worth in Bitcoin, AKA how much Bitcoin you can buy for
- 22:46a single dollar is currently at 1008 SAT's guys, we're almost
- 22:52under 1000 SAT's per dollar. Wow, it's it's getting crazy out
- 22:55here. And the market cap in Bitcoin in
- 22:57Fiat terms is $1.96 trillion, guys, we are almost at the $2
- 23:01trillion market cap of Bitcoin last cycle.
- 23:04So the whole, you know, crypto industry was at 2 trillion.
- 23:07Now Bitcoin is almost at 2 trillion by itself.
- 23:10Of course, days since all time high zero.
- 23:13We're at all time high, guys. So who knows how high this is
- 23:16going to go. We are in price discovery mode.
- 23:19Last all time high, of course, was 99,500.
- 23:22It should break that by today. And yeah, guys, you know it's
- 23:27getting crazy out here, all right?
- 23:28Anyways, what I wanted to talk about here on today's show is
- 23:33something that Nico and I hold very dear to our hearts.
- 23:37It's this idea of when you unlock the Bitcoin cheat code
- 23:41for yourself, your whole operating system, your whole
- 23:45worldview starts to change and you can actually start to put
- 23:49your energy towards things that you really want to be doing.
- 23:52And you don't feel stuck in the rat race.
- 23:53You aren't living paycheck to paycheck.
- 23:55Well, you might be living paycheck to paycheck because
- 23:57you're stacking so much Bitcoin, but soon enough that will unlock
- 24:01you. And the reason I'm bringing this
- 24:04one up is because a billionaire like Michael Saylor even felt
- 24:07the same thing that you are probably feeling today.
- 24:10And humanizing this, this whole technique, this whole blueprint
- 24:13of how to succeed in Bitcoin is what we try to show to you guys
- 24:16constantly. Because many people come into
- 24:18Bitcoin and they still have the like, get rich quick overnight
- 24:21scheme. And that's when they kind of get
- 24:23lost in the shit coin land. But the real game is
- 24:27accumulating Bitcoin. I say it all the time, playing
- 24:29Hungry Hippo with Bitcoin unlocks your human potential.
- 24:33And here we have sailors saying the exact same.
- 24:36When I found Bitcoin I was in despair.
- 24:38I had worked for a decade. I had spent 20,000 man years
- 24:44attempting to do everything under the sun.
- 24:46I could not get ahead and I was the same me.
- 24:51I wasn't stupid right? You look at me and say, well,
- 24:55this is this is Michael Saylor worked as hard as he could for a
- 24:58decade and could not get ahead, right.
- 25:01And the most pernicious thing you can do to someone is you
- 25:05make them think that they're just not smart enough.
- 25:07And the reason they're failing is because they're not smart and
- 25:10they don't work hard enough. And then you realize now the
- 25:13system is rigged against you. When I found Bitcoin.
- 25:17Double down on that last part. The system is rigged against you
- 25:22guys. That's why we tell you guys
- 25:24constantly the money is broken. And if you're stuck in the Fiat
- 25:28system, if that's the only world you know, if you're trying to
- 25:30save in dollars, it's damn near impossible to get out of the rat
- 25:34race. But once you start saving in
- 25:36Bitcoin, once you start saving in a better money, it really
- 25:39opens up a whole new opportunity.
- 25:41This is why we have our friend CK that always says, once you
- 25:44switch your mind to the Bitcoin operating system, you really
- 25:47start to see, you know, blue skies, green fields.
- 25:50You really start to see that there's a whole new opportunity
- 25:53that you never saw before. And it really just starts with
- 25:56accumulating Bitcoin. And while Sailor was talking,
- 25:58I'm, I'm going to butcher the meme, but what's the, there's,
- 26:01there's a classic heuristic in saying like, if you teach a fish
- 26:05how to climb a tree, it will always think it's stupid.
- 26:08And like, I think, I think that's what a lot of people feel
- 26:10in the Fiat system. And This is why we come out here
- 26:14every single day on simply Bitcoin and try to get as many
- 26:16people to start saving in Bitcoin.
- 26:18Because it's not that you, you know, you're, you're just broke
- 26:22and you're poor and you're stupid that you can't maintain
- 26:26and succeed in the Fiat system. It's just that you're not close
- 26:29to the money printer. The money is broken and you need
- 26:32to find a better money. And all you really need to do is
- 26:35just start saving in Bitcoin. We always say the same thing on
- 26:38the show is why do we all have to turn into investors just to
- 26:42survive, just to maintain? And now you don't have to.
- 26:45It's so simple that it seems complicated for most people that
- 26:48all you literally need to do is, you know, work your job, make
- 26:52sure you live within your means, saving Bitcoin and continue to
- 26:56do this process and over, you know, a span of four to eight
- 26:59years. Your whole life is going to
- 27:01change. And Nico and I, and I'm sure
- 27:03George as well, we can all attest to this personally.
- 27:06Our lives have fundamentally changed, not just because we
- 27:09started stacking stats, but because we've continued to
- 27:12double down on that process. And when you look back, you're
- 27:15like, Oh my God, man. I am so happy I became a
- 27:18Bitcoiner. I'm so happy I doubled down on
- 27:20my Bitcoin holdings. I'm so glad I continued to stack
- 27:23through the bear market. And once you do that, this is
- 27:26when you get to enjoy moments like today when we are kissing
- 27:30100K. This is what you did all that
- 27:33hard work for. You have changed the course and
- 27:36the the total trajectory of your bloodline because you've stacked
- 27:40your Bitcoin and you held on to that Bitcoin and now you get to
- 27:43live off the fruits of your labor, which is saved in
- 27:46Bitcoin. Anyways, I'm going to pass it to
- 27:47George 'cause I mean, look, I know Nico's a new father, you
- 27:52have a son, and I'm sure you're trying to teach your kid this
- 27:56very simple process of like, dude, just stack Sats and trust
- 27:59me, it's going to improve your life.
- 28:01No, absolutely. Yeah, I do.
- 28:03I have a 16 year old son, a 14 year old daughter.
- 28:06And I think, you know, to echo what you said, Bitcoin has
- 28:09absolutely like fundamentally changed my approach to
- 28:12parenting. My wife and I very much parent
- 28:16our children through the lens of, you know, a reality that we
- 28:19want to see in the world, which is, you know, sound money.
- 28:23I wrote a book about this. So thank you for the set up to,
- 28:25to plug my book. It's called I am not your bra 21
- 28:27keys to sound parenting. And in this basically, we, we
- 28:31explore all of the different tools that that we've used
- 28:34throughout the last, you know, 16 years of, of parenting.
- 28:37And it's, it's really, I wrote the book kind of through the
- 28:40lens of a buy a bitcoiner for Bitcoiners, because, you know, I
- 28:45work at a media company. Obviously we, we cover the news
- 28:47of Bitcoin. We talk about all of the, the
- 28:49cypherpunk ideals. But, but part of my vision for
- 28:53sort of where I want to see Bitcoin magazine go is to, to
- 28:56also speak to Bitcoiners through the lens of lifestyle culture,
- 29:00like things that are relevant to them just outside of the
- 29:02technology itself and parenting. I think it's top of mind, right?
- 29:05Like, I think intentionally raising children is probably the
- 29:10lowest time preference thing that you can do if you think
- 29:13about it. Like if we actually believe in
- 29:15this vision of a better world, well, what's that?
- 29:17What's the best way to practically implement that?
- 29:20And the answer to that, in my opinion, is through children
- 29:23through the next generation. So we need Bitcoiners to take
- 29:26this seriously, in my opinion. Like we need to, to actually
- 29:30raise up children who think like us.
- 29:32We need to propagate our ideals. We need to continue these
- 29:36narratives that there is hope in the world.
- 29:39And you know, for me, I I think to kind of go back to like this,
- 29:43the sailor clip too. Realizing that the system is
- 29:47stacked against you is some of the most like motivating moments
- 29:50that you can have in your life. I used to work in the mortgage
- 29:54business. 2008 front row seats, the great financial crisis, you
- 29:58know, too big to fail all like the the first time we were ever
- 30:01exposed to like big bailouts and things like that.
- 30:04And you know, I'm sitting there with my mortgage clients and
- 30:07they're not getting the same treatment as these big banks who
- 30:12like they messed up, right? They, they ruined the economy.
- 30:15My mortgage clients are getting declined when they are, you
- 30:18know, by all accounts qualified for, for loans.
- 30:21Meanwhile, these banks are getting bailed out and getting
- 30:23the government to, to, to give them a handout.
- 30:26All of this is happening. There was a moment during that
- 30:29that time period where, you know, I don't know if you
- 30:31remember, like all the banks were failing.
- 30:33It was a new bank every day that was going belly up.
- 30:37I was in Seattle at the time. There was a regional bank called
- 30:39Washington Mutual that, you know, the rumor mill was was
- 30:42starting to percolate about. They were going to be acquired
- 30:45by one of the big banks. JP Morgan Chase was going to buy
- 30:48Washington Mutual, right? Stock starts like pumping.
- 30:51I'm again, you know, it's not like insider trading.
- 30:53It's all it's all public information.
- 30:54But I'm like, OK, this thing's going to RIP.
- 30:57So I felt like I was equipped with all the right information
- 30:59to make, you know, these sound investment decisions aped into
- 31:02Washington Mutual stock thinking, OK, this big
- 31:05acquisition, JP Morgan, the stock's going to go up.
- 31:08What happened in the hours that would follow is the
- 31:12clarification that, you know, JP Morgan wasn't actually acquiring
- 31:16Washington Mutual. That would be, too.
- 31:17That would make too much sense. What was happening was the FDIC
- 31:20was going to shut down Washington Mutual and then flip
- 31:25it on the same day to JP Morgan Chase for pennies on the dollar.
- 31:29What does that mean for shareholders?
- 31:30They get completely wiped out. And so, you know, I, I put a
- 31:33decent amount of money at that time for, for me and like my
- 31:37family into this bet. Probably irresponsible,
- 31:40whatever. But the point is the, the
- 31:44feeling of being rugged like that where you're like, look, I
- 31:46did all the things right. The idea of a stock is you make
- 31:49bets, right? You're it's it is kind of
- 31:51sophisticated legal gambling at some level and to to get
- 31:56completely wiped out because some bureaucrat decided now this
- 31:59is how we're actually going to do it was a big like turning
- 32:02point for me that that I think set me on this path to, to
- 32:05really look for solutions to look for like, OK, this ain't
- 32:08it. This financial system is clearly
- 32:10broken. How do we re emerge from this?
- 32:14And you know, eventually around 2/20/17 found my way into
- 32:17Bitcoin. So kind of a, you know, a, a, a
- 32:22ramble there from from what you asked about family.
- 32:25But the reason I point that out is again, just kind of go off
- 32:27that sailor clip like the system is rigged against you.
- 32:30And what we need to do is take this seriously enough And and
- 32:33you know, the price action is exciting.
- 32:35The charts are distracting, but at the end of the day, we're
- 32:38here because we believe in a better world.
- 32:40I love it. And then, you know, George,
- 32:42yeah, I was going to say, like, I think that was a great context
- 32:45because I, I, I've said this on the show.
- 32:47A lot of times, like, you know, humans, we kind of work towards
- 32:50two things. It's like you chase, you know,
- 32:53chase pleasure and avoid pain. And we're seeing a lot of people
- 32:56are feeling that pain. And you have to feel that pain
- 32:58to start to ask yourself, like, what is actually going on and
- 33:01can I actually achieve a better life?
- 33:03And I think a lot of people are going to feel that pain, or
- 33:06rather are already feeling that pain.
- 33:09And now they're going to feel like the FOMO of like, wait, all
- 33:11I had to do was buy some Bitcoin in my life would have been
- 33:14better. Like, why?
- 33:15Why am I fighting this? So hopefully we see that trend
- 33:18start to change as well. But anyways, Nico, you jump in.
- 33:20Yeah, first of all, beautifully, beautifully said by George.
- 33:24And I also do want to give a shout out to my sister.
- 33:27Beautiful production on the Michael I know.
- 33:29I know, I'm glad you brought it up.
- 33:30Natalie interview Megan, good job on the shots.
- 33:34So anyways, yeah, look, Bitcoin is a cheat code.
- 33:38Bitcoin is hope. It really is.
- 33:41You know, I, I talk to the people around me just and the
- 33:44vast majority of the world is still kind of asleep to this
- 33:49reality, right? They're they, they're working,
- 33:52it's like they're on a treadmill, right?
- 33:54Like they, they're working harder every like they're
- 33:57working harder. Their business is growing.
- 34:00You know, they're excelling in their job and they're like, wait
- 34:02a second. Why?
- 34:04Like, why does it feel like I'm in the exact same place or
- 34:07behind than I was last year? And the reason for that is
- 34:11because they're on a bitcoins, they're on a Fiat standard.
- 34:14Like they are literally running in place.
- 34:17And you know, if you are to believe the official government
- 34:20numbers of, you know, 3-4 percent inflation, ha ha.
- 34:24I think realistically it's more like 10%.
- 34:27If you are not making 10% more than you were last year, you are
- 34:33literally poor. Like you are making less money.
- 34:36So this is where Bitcoin kind of comes in as a cheat code because
- 34:40if you start to put some of those savings into Bitcoin, all
- 34:44of a sudden you have the ability to get ahead.
- 34:46I think it was LOP that came up with this quote and I think it's
- 34:49excellent, very fitting. It says Bitcoin is not a get
- 34:52rich quick scheme. It's a don't get poor scheme,
- 34:56right? And I think it's extremely
- 34:59fitting. So Bitcoin is hope, Bitcoin is
- 35:01superior money. Bitcoin is savings and if you
- 35:05really want a chance to get ahead in this rigged system that
- 35:09we live in today, if you don't, if you're looking at the
- 35:11political system, even with Trump getting elected and
- 35:14whatever, like you're looking at it, you're like, this is so
- 35:18beyond broken. You have the opportunity to opt
- 35:21out and once you opt out and you take back your financial
- 35:25sovereignty and you take that Bitcoin into self custody and
- 35:28you watch number go up like it's going to give you Peace of Mind
- 35:31the likes of which you've never had before.
- 35:34And it's it's really going to you're going to reach a point of
- 35:37Zen. It's going to be great.
- 35:38No matter what's going on in the world around you, you know that
- 35:41you and your family are going to be OK because you're saving in
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- 38:45description. I don't know, Niko.
- 38:47We're almost at 100 Ki. Think they could they could buy
- 38:49me for enough stats at this point.
- 38:51I I need more stats. I need more stats.
- 38:53No. Anyways, anyways, I'm trolling.
- 38:54I'm trolling. All right, guys.
- 38:57So we've been covering this all year, you guys, you know, here,
- 39:01let me full screen myself. Lo, you guys been yelling at us
- 39:04all year about politics landing on Bitcoin's door and how it was
- 39:09unavoidable, unavoidable for us to talk about politics.
- 39:12Now the election's over and everyone's like, we won, you
- 39:15know, cool, finally the election's done.
- 39:18You know, Trump got elected. It seems like he's going pro
- 39:21Bitcoin and we've been saying all year, like four more years
- 39:24of cover for Bitcoin versus the last four years of getting
- 39:27wrecked and, you know, getting attacked.
- 39:29And yesterday we covered Gary Gensler's leaving and resigning
- 39:32right when Trump comes in. And you know, we've been arguing
- 39:35all year that this is good for Bitcoin.
- 39:37Now we have this other interesting kind of ripple
- 39:40playing out right now that apparently the Trump
- 39:44administration is going to have, you know, a crypto council.
- 39:47There's there's a new role coming out here, you know,
- 39:50economic advisor role, a crypto council to advise Trump on, you
- 39:55know, all things cryptocurrency. And this article came out on
- 39:58Reuters yesterday. And so the headline is
- 40:00interesting. We even have a David Bailey
- 40:03quote in here. So very interesting stuff
- 40:05playing out. I do have a caveat personally,
- 40:07but I'll get to that afterwards. So headline here from Reuters,
- 40:10crypto industry jockeys for seats at Trump's Promise
- 40:14Council. So a slew of crypto companies
- 40:16and this is probably where you see my.
- 40:19Yeah, this is probably where you see my caveat start to pop out.
- 40:23A slew of crypto companies, including Ripple, Kraken and
- 40:26Circle are jostling for a seat on president-elect Donald
- 40:29Trump's Promise Crypto Advisory Council seeking a say in his
- 40:34planned overhaul of the US policy, according to several
- 40:37digital asset industry executives.
- 40:39It goes on to say, you know, Trump spoke at the Nashville
- 40:42conference. And now, of course, more people
- 40:44are trying to get into that position.
- 40:46We saw that this week. Brian Armstrong of COIN Base had
- 40:50a meeting with Trump. And so, you know, it's a good
- 40:53thing that we're talking with the Trump administration again.
- 40:57I'll, I'll get my caveat at the end after I kind of flush out
- 41:00this article. And here we got David Bailey.
- 41:02It's being fleshed out, but I anticipate that leading
- 41:05executives from America's Bitcoin and crypto firms to be
- 41:08represented further. People are eager to advise and
- 41:11give input, Bailey said. Now going into this a little
- 41:14more and kind of breaking down the actual mechanics of what
- 41:18this crypto advisory counts council will be, we got the
- 41:21crypto council would likely be housed under the White House
- 41:24National Economic Council, which coordinates and implements the
- 41:27president's economic policies, or a separate White House
- 41:30apparatus, 2 of the people said. It is expected to advise on
- 41:34digital asset policy, work with Congress on crypto legislation,
- 41:38establish Trump's promise Bitcoin reserve, and coordinate
- 41:41between agencies including the SEC and the CFTC and the
- 41:46Treasury, they and other executives said.
- 41:48And the council may also include enforcement representatives and
- 41:51former policymakers. Now, moving forward, the
- 41:54industry is pushing for executive orders guaranteeing
- 41:57crypto companies access to bitcoins or banking services and
- 42:01an end to enforcement actions and other changes.
- 42:04And of course, there's some pushback.
- 42:05Some consumer groups have warned that the crypto industry should
- 42:08not be able to write its own laws, which obviously we take
- 42:11the opposite view. And here's a good quote.
- 42:13It's absolutely wise, a wise choice to put together a council
- 42:17of people who want, you know, understand how both the industry
- 42:20ought to be regulated and how to situate the industry to be a
- 42:23strategic asset. Now wrapping up, while
- 42:25presidential advisory councils are not a new concept, there has
- 42:29never been one dedicated to crypto currencies or you know,
- 42:32Bitcoin and shitcoins, which did not exist until bitcoins
- 42:34launched in 2009. Biden's had multiple councils,
- 42:37including on science and technology, which was
- 42:40established via executive order in the first month he took
- 42:43office. Now, you know, this could be
- 42:45something that's done very quickly now just kind of going
- 42:49back a little bit, shouts out the pledator because he's been
- 42:52running the numbers here. And, you know, we have
- 42:54basically, yeah, hold on. We have basically, you know, 8
- 42:58out of the nine people who have been added to the Trump cabinet
- 43:03are Bitcoiners. So of course, we have President
- 43:05Trump, who at the Bitcoin conference got a causatious
- 43:08coin, owns one Bitcoin. You know, the pledator kind of
- 43:12docks his holdings, but we won't talk about that.
- 43:14JD Vance also known. JD Vance also known to hold
- 43:18about you know 250 to 500 Ki think the meme was he owns 6.15
- 43:23S the vice president owns 6.15 Bitcoin.
- 43:25Absolutely incredible. Pete Hegseth says he owns a
- 43:29bunch of Bitcoin disclosed to Fox News in 2024.
- 43:32We have Mike Waltz who owns up to 100,000 worth of Bitcoin
- 43:35according to 2021 disclosure with of course Robert F Kennedy
- 43:40junior who did the absolutely incredible speech at Bitcoin
- 43:44Nashville 2024 fully a bitcoiner.
- 43:47We have Elon Musk, you know, he, he kind of trolled with Doge,
- 43:50but we know Tesla and SpaceX have been holding their Bitcoin.
- 43:53So Elon Musk a Bitcoin, Vivek Ramaswami as well, also very pro
- 43:57Bitcoin, talking favorably about Bitcoin in the industry.
- 44:00And you know, Tulsi Gabbard, she's got some chick coins.
- 44:04And then of course, Howard Leutnick, who is commerce
- 44:06secretary, who is Cantor Fitzgerald Tethers Bank, you
- 44:11know, buying $100 million of Bitcoin.
- 44:13So I think this is a very interesting development that
- 44:16we're seeing, especially considering, you know, Bitcoin
- 44:19and this year, I I would argue this year in specifically has
- 44:23entered into the mainstream consciousness.
- 44:25And ever since Larry Fink dropped the ETF, like we're like
- 44:28a mature asset, like we're a real movement here.
- 44:31They have to take us seriously. And I find it interesting that
- 44:35there is push back to, you know, a crypto Advisory Council with
- 44:39experts in it versus, you know, what we've been dealing with the
- 44:42last four years, like Gary Genser's resigning.
- 44:44He taught at MIT coerce on Bitcoin and blockchain.
- 44:47And he was like, he was like the worst thing for Bitcoin.
- 44:50It it was very interesting to see who we actually worked for.
- 44:53So obviously, from my perspective, very, very clearly,
- 44:59we need quote UN quote. I, I don't even know if I could
- 45:01use it. But Bitcoin experts in those, in
- 45:04those roles advising the Trump administration how best to
- 45:08interact with the Bitcoin industry and, and the Bitcoin
- 45:11network at large. Now, of course, my caveat is, is
- 45:14like, you know, Ripple and Circle and it seems like it's
- 45:17going a little block chainy. So, you know, how's your block
- 45:21chaining going, bro? Cuz that seems where we're
- 45:23headed right now. And I'm a little concerned about
- 45:26the advice that the Trump administration might get if it's
- 45:29coming from a lot of big or block chainers, shit corners out
- 45:33there. So it's, I think it's a very
- 45:35interesting thing and a new development.
- 45:37But I think there, there may be a little bit of concern of the
- 45:40Trojan horse of shit coins getting into this crypto
- 45:43advisory role. But hey, we'll see how this
- 45:46plays out, You know, January 20. So two months from now, we'll
- 45:49see who actually is in those roles and what they're talking
- 45:52about. So for the time being, I will be
- 45:54hopeful. Obviously, I'm, I'm not going to
- 45:57be too pessimistic and cynical about it, but I think this is
- 46:00great developments in regards to the Bitcoin industry at large.
- 46:04And if Trump and the, you know, Trump administration does follow
- 46:08through with the Bitcoin strategic stockpile, the game
- 46:12theory that's playing out right now is, is going to make waves
- 46:14around the world and every nation is going to have to treat
- 46:18Bitcoin good or else, you know, Bitcoiners and Bitcoin is going
- 46:22to move to America. If we are the first mover, the
- 46:24first, you know, the first first world country to fully embrace
- 46:27Bitcoin, it's going to fundamentally change the the
- 46:31game that we're playing right now.
- 46:32And this is kind of what George were saying earlier, like, This
- 46:34is why we all think this time is actually different.
- 46:37I know it's a meme and we're like, we have BTSD when it comes
- 46:41to that, but this time feels different.
- 46:43Anyways, George, you know, one of your coworkers, David Bailey,
- 46:47he's being quoted in Reuters about the Crypto Advisory
- 46:50Council. So what's your thoughts hearing
- 46:52about Trump kind of reaching out to industry experts and at least
- 46:56kind of following through on his commitment to be like, yes, we
- 46:59are going to make Bitcoin the quote, UN quote crypto capital
- 47:02of the world? Yeah, so I mean, I think it's
- 47:05extremely bullish and I, you know, I, so listen, I'm a, I'm a
- 47:11Bitcoin like only person. I never call myself a maxi.
- 47:15I was never really comfortable with that label because I think
- 47:17it has a lot of baggage. And I know it's not going to be
- 47:19a popular opinion. But the reason is I, I try to be
- 47:23more collaborative. And actually this election has
- 47:26taught me a lot about this nuance.
- 47:28And I'm, I'm trying to encourage people to be Bitcoiners, to be
- 47:31crypto. It used to be, so I, I lead a, a
- 47:35Bitcoin meet up here in, in Phoenix, AZ.
- 47:37And it used to be, you know, people would show up and they,
- 47:40they'd be like, oh, cool, you know, Bitcoin, I love Bitcoin.
- 47:44What do you think about XRP or whatever?
- 47:46And that was an immediate turn off.
- 47:47It would be like shut down the conversation, like just totally
- 47:51Stonewall them. And then I started realizing
- 47:53like that's not very strategic actually for, for our end goals.
- 47:57And I'm a, you know, pretty pragmatic person.
- 48:00I, I, I like to think about here's where we're headed.
- 48:02Here's what we're trying to do in order to get there.
- 48:04We need people. And frankly, the crypto people
- 48:08are the closest to understanding Bitcoin then or, or I should
- 48:13say, are closer to understanding Bitcoin then sort of like non
- 48:16crypto people or like normies. And So what I've, what I've
- 48:19found, especially with this election cycle is that we're
- 48:24more powerful if we sort of at least softly embrace the idea
- 48:29that the crypto people are on our side in some ways.
- 48:32And so again, I know this is a controversial take, but I want
- 48:35to win. And I think that we, we managed
- 48:40to, to mobilize and galvanized a group of people who are mostly
- 48:43aligned with us. Like we agree with crypto people
- 48:45on about 90% of issues, right? We can still disagree on
- 48:50technology. We can still disagree on the
- 48:52fact that Bitcoin is superior. And I think it's important to
- 48:54continue to make the distinction.
- 48:55Like Bitcoin is very different. There's Bitcoin and there's
- 48:59everything else. I still believe that there's
- 49:01Bitcoin and then there's basically gambling and scams.
- 49:04That's what we're talking about. And if you're OK with that, then
- 49:07you know, like let's team up. Let's be on the let's, let's be
- 49:10on the same side so that we can win.
- 49:12Do you want to win? That's the question.
- 49:14Do you want to win or do you want to continue to be like
- 49:17right and purist and gatekeeping 'cause that's what's happening.
- 49:21So with this Trump Council, I think it's very bullish, right?
- 49:24Like, I think it's too lofty of an expectation for the most
- 49:27powerful administration on planet Earth to to, you know,
- 49:32adopt exactly what we want them to adopt Now.
- 49:35I think we're gaining a lot of influence and I think we should
- 49:37continue to lean into that. And I think there's a lot to be
- 49:39hopeful and excited for it. I mean, David Bailey, CEO of BCC
- 49:42Inc, is in the room. Like, has Trump's ear, has the
- 49:46ear of the administration? Like, these are all very
- 49:48positive things that we should celebrate and that we should
- 49:50lean into. I don't know how else we
- 49:53expected things to play out, but like, this was the natural
- 49:55progression of where this thing was going.
- 49:58Once sophisticated people in administrations that, you know,
- 50:02managed billions or trillions of dollars started becoming wise of
- 50:05this. Like El Salvador was the first
- 50:07domino to drop, and now you have America next.
- 50:10I don't know if that was the order of events that I was
- 50:12expecting, but like I'm here for it.
- 50:14So I I think I think we should, we should lean in more than we
- 50:18should be pessimistic or critical or like, and and we
- 50:23should try to get our way. Obviously, like I want the most
- 50:25like the purest Bitcoiner type, like minded person in these
- 50:30these positions of influence, obviously, but it's better than
- 50:34not having, you know, I would rather have a crypto council,
- 50:37blockchain, whatever then not have that right.
- 50:41And then, you know, we should see ourselves as the Trojan
- 50:43horse in those conversations, not the other way around.
- 50:46So I just, I think like when you really look at what's happening,
- 50:50you got to pay attention to what people are doing, not what
- 50:51people are saying. When you, when you actually see
- 50:54what people are doing, you don't see countries adopting a Solana
- 50:57standard. You don't see corporations
- 51:00adding Ethereum to their balance sheet, right?
- 51:02Like those, those things aren't happening, right?
- 51:04What's happening is people are looking at Bitcoin very
- 51:06seriously as a actual asset that they can hold.
- 51:11And they're, they're going to follow Michael Saylor's lead.
- 51:14And so, and they're going to follow Naib Buchelli's lead.
- 51:17Like, so that's the reality of what's taking place.
- 51:20I think it's it's a lot to be excited about.
- 51:22It's not even January 20th yet. None of the stuff has even been
- 51:24implemented. Yeah, Solana standard.
- 51:27Got me. No, but but Jordan, I, I, I
- 51:31totally. Agree.
- 51:32I I really like the reframing that you took.
- 51:34You know, bit corners are the Trojan horse here.
- 51:36And I think, you know, even if it is a blockchain console or
- 51:39whatever, like it is a recent and awesome development to see.
- 51:43And, you know, maybe in four years we got only Bitcoin Maxis
- 51:46in this console. But until then, this is a good
- 51:48first step. Anyways, Nico, you're kind of
- 51:51the reigning political guy here. So what's your thoughts when you
- 51:53hear Crypto Advisory Council is starting to form?
- 51:56Yeah, First of all, we hit 600. Live viewers on YouTube.
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- 52:18button really, really helps us push simply Bitcoin on the
- 52:22algos. Now in terms of the politics of
- 52:25this all, I do have to give a a very, very special shout out to
- 52:29David Bailey of of Bitcoin magazine.
- 52:32Really kind of moving this forward, getting Trump to speak
- 52:36at the Bitcoin conference and essentially the Bitcoiners
- 52:40becoming part of the donor class in Washington.
- 52:43DCI think that was incredibly important to kind of get our our
- 52:48voice in the room. If you're, if you're not in the
- 52:51room when the deal is being made, you're going to be
- 52:54excluded from the deal. So the Bitcoiners are in the
- 52:59rule in the room while these deals are being made.
- 53:02Now in terms of this not being pure crypto, I think that's a
- 53:06bit naive. And I'm also a libertarian at
- 53:10heart and I'm a capitalist. So I think Bitcoin is going to
- 53:13win because it has superior incentives.
- 53:15It has superior monetary policy, has superior monetary policy
- 53:20than everything else. You know, I think George nailed
- 53:22it, hit the nail on the head when he said like, dude, like
- 53:25you don't see any countries adopting a Solana standard,
- 53:28right? So yeah, Bitcoin doesn't need
- 53:31these special privileges. We don't want the government in
- 53:35the business of picking winners and losers, all as Bitcoiners
- 53:39have been wanting for the last 3 1/2 years when the Biden
- 53:43administration with their regulatory hostility towards the
- 53:46industry, kind of forced our hand a little bit, right?
- 53:50And it was like, OK, you know, and we were resisting bringing
- 53:53up politics for the longest time.
- 53:55I got upset at Opti one time. And then as soon as they
- 53:59arrested the samurai wallet developers, I was like, Opti.
- 54:02We, we, we're like, we have a show like, we, we, we don't have
- 54:05a choice. Like Trump 2024, you know, and
- 54:08then of course, he he mentioned freeing Ross.
- 54:10And like, you know, and, and I don't think that was going to
- 54:13happen if the binding registration didn't force our
- 54:16hand. But now that our hand was
- 54:18forced, we realize like, look like, you know, if this is the
- 54:22separation of money and state, you know, politics by definition
- 54:26is the organization of power. What is what, what, how could
- 54:31the separation of money and state not be political, right?
- 54:34Like by definition, it is political.
- 54:37So, you know, this is where we are.
- 54:39In hindsight, this was inevitable.
- 54:41I'm really glad that Bitcoiners are in the room.
- 54:44Of course there's going to be shit coins.
- 54:46Of course the crypto industry is going to boom, but so is the
- 54:49Bitcoin industry. And at the end of the day,
- 54:52everything goes to zero against Bitcoin.
- 54:54We don't need any special privileges.
- 54:56We don't need any help from the government for Bitcoin to win.
- 54:59Bitcoin's going to win on its own.
- 55:01And it's a much, much better than what we've been dealing
- 55:05with for the last 3 1/2 years where our industry was literally
- 55:09persecuted. And there is a lot of us, you
- 55:12know, there's a lot of Bitcoin privacy developers that were
- 55:14literally jailed for writing open source code while
- 55:18simultaneously banks were getting fined for money
- 55:22laundering. They're getting fined for the
- 55:24same thing that developers were getting jailed for.
- 55:27So clearly, there is a double standard.
- 55:29I think this is going to change when the Trump administration
- 55:32goes into power, when Trump is sworn in January 20th.
- 55:36And we do have to hold Trump accountable.
- 55:38Is he going to keep his promise to free Ross because he said
- 55:43happy birthday, Satoshi free Ross day one, you know, so I
- 55:47think he will, but we do have to hold him accountable for the
- 55:50promises that he made towards our industry.
- 55:54I personally think I might be a little bit biased here.
- 55:57I think he's going to keep them, but we shall see.
- 55:59Anyways, guys, before we move on to the culture, I do want to
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- 58:49conversation, I want to take advantage of George being on the
- 58:54show today. George is the general manager of
- 58:56Bitcoin magazine here at simply Bitcoin.
- 58:58We've always been friends with with Bitcoin magazine with we've
- 59:02done a ton of collabs together in the past.
- 59:05Love what you guys are doing. You guys throw some of the best
- 59:08conferences, I would say the best conference in the world.
- 59:12And of course that is the, the, what I call the Super Bowl
- 59:15weekend of Bitcoin, the Bitcoin you guys just call it Bitcoin,
- 59:19right? The Bitcoin 24, the Bitcoin 2025
- 59:22conference differences, and they're absolutely incredible.
- 59:25What you guys are doing with the news desk, what you guys do with
- 59:29the production. You guys had the election night
- 59:31coverage that was privileged to be a part of, which was
- 59:34absolutely fun and incredible too, man.
- 59:37You guys throw some of the best events and of course your media
- 59:40game and your Twitter game is amazing as well.
- 59:43So we're honored to have George join us on the show.
- 59:45And I do want to talk about the upcoming Bitcoin MENA
- 59:49conference. This is the first time you guys
- 59:51are throwing a conference in the Middle East and David Bailey has
- 59:54been hinting towards perhaps some Middle Eastern country.
- 59:59I don't know of how much I could say potentially focusing on
- 1:00:03Bitcoin, potentially putting some of their treasury in
- 1:00:06Bitcoin or? Potentially getting into the
- 1:00:08Bitcoin mining game. So I think the Middle East is a
- 1:00:11perfect. It's it's synergistic with
- 1:00:14Bitcoin because it's an energy hub and Bitcoin miners love,
- 1:00:18love cheap stranded energy. So George, can you tell us a
- 1:00:22little bit about this upcoming Bitcoin media conference?
- 1:00:27Yeah, no, absolutely. It's it's what, two weeks away
- 1:00:30now? I ship out December 4th.
- 1:00:33Super excited to, to get out to Abu Dhabi.
- 1:00:36If you haven't bought your tickets or your flights, there's
- 1:00:38still time. There's still time to FOMO in
- 1:00:40and, and listen, this is what people do.
- 1:00:42Like I've been in the events game for long enough. 30 days
- 1:00:44out, people FOMO in, especially when price pumps.
- 1:00:48And then 14 days out, people FOMO in even harder.
- 1:00:51And then like 5 days out, people are like, OK, I should probably
- 1:00:53go to this. This is pretty ridiculous.
- 1:00:55How have I not done this yet? So don't be that person that's
- 1:00:58waiting until the last minute, but I'm pumped.
- 1:01:01There's a lot of great speakers. Eric Trump, I think one of the,
- 1:01:04one of the keynotes we got CZ speaking, which is super
- 1:01:08interesting. And I know again, you know, he
- 1:01:11used to run finance, went to prison for like 4 months.
- 1:01:13Now he's out not affiliated with finance anymore, but I think
- 1:01:17he's going to have some really interesting things to say.
- 1:01:18This is his first public engagement since that, you know,
- 1:01:21that whole saga. And then, yeah, all of the
- 1:01:25teasers coming from DB, you know, you, you, you love to see
- 1:01:27it. He's someone who's got his ear
- 1:01:28close to the ground and, and is having a lot of conversations
- 1:01:31with high level people across the, you know, the world really.
- 1:01:35And, and So what a perfect time to make an announcement right
- 1:01:39before Trump is inaugurated. If I'm a country, if I'm a
- 1:01:43sovereign wealth fund and I see that Trump is promising a
- 1:01:46strategic Bitcoin reserve in a month and I'm in the Middle East
- 1:01:51that I got all this oil money. What you know, what better time
- 1:01:53to announce that I'm going to, I'm going to make a move than
- 1:01:56this conference. And so that, you know, I, I was
- 1:01:59personally, I was born in Egypt. I'm excited to get out to the
- 1:02:01Middle East. I know how my people roll and
- 1:02:05they like drama. They like, they like to, to
- 1:02:08make, you know, a big deal out of things that they're they're
- 1:02:10about to jump into at first. So, you know, look, look for
- 1:02:14some fireworks. I think it's going to be
- 1:02:15exciting. So the perfect setup going into
- 1:02:18this. Also, Speaking of culture, we're
- 1:02:21hosting a the first ever bit Ball event as a side event in
- 1:02:26Abu Dhabi on the second day. Bit Ball is going to be a flag
- 1:02:28football exhibition game between NFL legends.
- 1:02:32People like Antonio Brown are going to be there.
- 1:02:35Dez Bryant, Le'veon Bell. It's hosted by Russell O Kuhn,
- 1:02:40who's the first professional athlete to get paid in Bitcoin.
- 1:02:43He just launched this league and is partnering with the MENA
- 1:02:46Conference to basically just provide, you know, some some fun
- 1:02:49entertainment. All the players are being paid
- 1:02:51in Bitcoin. So big part of his story again,
- 1:02:54obviously he he took the risk, took the gamble four years ago,
- 1:02:57infamous pay me in Bitcoin tweet and you know, got got a lot of
- 1:03:02people to hate on him after that, but he's got the last
- 1:03:06laugh. So now he's trying to take that
- 1:03:09message to people in his sphere of influence.
- 1:03:13And I'm really excited to kind of see how this progresses.
- 1:03:16We're planning on doubling down on this event in Vegas as well.
- 1:03:19Vegas is happening in May, by the way, I really appreciate,
- 1:03:23Nico, the fact that you recognize the, the, the naming
- 1:03:26convention of our flagship event, Bitcoin 2025.
- 1:03:29A lot of people will call it based on like the, the city that
- 1:03:32it's in. For the longest time we were
- 1:03:34called Bitcoin Miami and it was just like not, not great.
- 1:03:38It's it's Bitcoin 2025. It's coming up.
- 1:03:40It's in, it's in Las Vegas. That's the, that's where the
- 1:03:42venue is. Is that the Venetian?
- 1:03:43It's going to be a good time. But yeah, Bitcoin MENA Abu
- 1:03:48Dhabi, the week of the F1 race, which I don't know if there's
- 1:03:51any F1 fans out there, but I've recently gotten into F1.
- 1:03:55It's the final race of the year on December 8th and 9th. 8th is
- 1:04:01the is the Grand Prix, 9th is the is the conference.
- 1:04:03So we'll be out there for for the race as well.
- 1:04:06And then bit ball on on the 10th.
- 1:04:07So a lot of great events happening that week.
- 1:04:11I have a quick question. Before you move on, is is big.
- 1:04:13Ball gonna be streamed. Can people watch this on on the
- 1:04:16stream or is it a lot in person event?
- 1:04:19Yeah, we are. We're definitely trying to
- 1:04:21record. It we're working out the, the
- 1:04:22streaming details, we, we hope to be able to stream it on
- 1:04:25Bitcoin magazine. We're trying to figure out the,
- 1:04:27the nuances of like the time zone and like what time it'll
- 1:04:29actually be. It's gonna be 7:00 PM over
- 1:04:31there. So it's gonna be like early,
- 1:04:32early morning I think here so but people have an opportunity
- 1:04:35to watch it on our channels, whether it's a live or recorded
- 1:04:38still, still TBD. Hell yeah, guys, go to.
- 1:04:42B dot TC slash conference to get your tickets now for Bitcoin
- 1:04:47Mina, that's coming up in December of this year, December
- 1:04:50through the 10th. But I also want to talk about
- 1:04:53Opti, if you could pull that up. Bitcoin 2025.
- 1:04:57Now I was telling George before we went on air, I said, man, the
- 1:05:02Bitcoin 2024 conference really reminded me of the Bitcoin 2021
- 1:05:07conference. The first time Bitcoin Magazine
- 1:05:09threw a conference in Miami in terms of a historical milestone.
- 1:05:14Why? Because the Bitcoin 2021
- 1:05:16conference was the conference that Naimbu Kelly announced that
- 1:05:19Bitcoin was becoming legal tender in El Salvador.
- 1:05:22That was also the legendary kind of panel slash interview between
- 1:05:28Max Kaiser and Michael Saylor where Max Kaiser goes on stage
- 1:05:33and he just kept saying F Elon, F Elon, which was absolutely
- 1:05:37hilarious. I was quoted by mainstream
- 1:05:40media. That was the first time I spoke
- 1:05:42at a Bitcoin conference, and I was on the mainstage, and I
- 1:05:45said, if you're against Bitcoin, you're against freedom, as
- 1:05:47quoted in the Financial Times. So it really meant a lot to me.
- 1:05:50But from a historical perspective, that legal tender
- 1:05:54announcement was bonkers. And the Bitcoin 2024 conference
- 1:05:58gave me those same vibes with the historic speech of not only
- 1:06:03RFK Junior, but also of Donald J Trump, which was just elected to
- 1:06:09become the president of the United States starting January
- 1:06:1220th, 2025. And I was telling George, I
- 1:06:16said, man, like, how are you going to one up this bro?
- 1:06:19And he said, Nico looked at me dead in the eye.
- 1:06:21Of course, through restream, he said, oh, we're going to one up
- 1:06:23this baby. I don't know if I could say how
- 1:06:25they're going to do it. But George, well, I mean, saying
- 1:06:29it is all yours. Listen, we can't.
- 1:06:30We can't make any promises. But the way you.
- 1:06:32Wind up having a presidential candidate is you have a sitting
- 1:06:34president attend the next event. So that's definitely our our
- 1:06:37desire and our goal. It's not obviously this is not
- 1:06:39confirmed yet, but know that we're we're going hard after
- 1:06:42that that that goal as well as people in his administration.
- 1:06:45So I think Vegas is going to one up Bitcoin 2024.
- 1:06:51So so yeah, definitely come out May it's at the Venetian.
- 1:06:55It's going to be a good time and expect there to be, you know,
- 1:06:59who knows what Bitcoin price is going to be in May of 202025,
- 1:07:02but expect, you know, 20, maybe 30,000 people.
- 1:07:07It's definitely going to be our biggest event.
- 1:07:09The way tickets are moving right now is is pretty ridiculous this
- 1:07:12early, but you know, people are people are getting wise to this
- 1:07:15idea of not fumbling in at the last minute because they
- 1:07:18recognize that we increase ticket prices.
- 1:07:20I think ticket prices are going up again next week.
- 1:07:22So definitely a good time to secure your your your pass to
- 1:07:26Vegas and lock up a hotel because those are going to go
- 1:07:29quick and you want to be as close to the action as possible.
- 1:07:32Ticket prices increase in. 9. Hours 9 hours 9 hours I.
- 1:07:37Thought it was next week. Boom.
- 1:07:38Boom, 9 hours. Thank you for that.
- 1:07:40Go to B dot. TC slash conference to get your
- 1:07:45tickets now, whether you're interested in going to the
- 1:07:48Middle East, to Abu Dhabi, to the Bitcoin MENA conference or
- 1:07:52the Bitcoin 2025 conference in Las Vegas, NV, you guys don't
- 1:07:58want to miss. It's going to be at the Venetian
- 1:07:59hotel. It's an incredible hotel if
- 1:08:01you've ever been there, and they're great.
- 1:08:03Awesome, absolutely awesome. Really looking forward to it.
- 1:08:05Anyways, I do want to take advantage of the last minutes of
- 1:08:09the show to talk about George, you recently released a book man
- 1:08:13Opti, could you pull that up, please?
- 1:08:15I definitely want to talk about this man.
- 1:08:17I like, you know, when I see books, I'm like, they're so
- 1:08:20thick. How do you like you know,
- 1:08:22they're they're like, how do you how do you find the time to but
- 1:08:26like, you know, write a book and how do you find that
- 1:08:30inspiration? The name of the book for our
- 1:08:33audio listeners is I am not your bra 21 keys to sound parenting
- 1:08:38forward by Peter McCormack, written by George McHale.
- 1:08:42So George and there's a quote in there.
- 1:08:44I do want to read it quote. We are impacting, we are
- 1:08:47imperfect humans raising imperfect humans with the active
- 1:08:51goal of seeing our kids become better version of vendor
- 1:08:55versions of our themselves. And I saw a picture of you at
- 1:08:59Bitcoin 2024 not only showing off the book, I think at the
- 1:09:03book book fair or book. I don't know what the correct
- 1:09:07term is for that, but book signing event.
- 1:09:10With your kid. There is very inspirational.
- 1:09:13So George, what inspired you to write this book and is there is
- 1:09:17it is did Bitcoin impact the writing of this book at all?
- 1:09:23Yeah, no, absolutely, I think. Bitcoin definitely impacted
- 1:09:27this. You know, as I mentioned
- 1:09:28earlier, one of my desires is to see Bitcoiners is to create
- 1:09:31content for Bitcoiners outside of just like the the technology
- 1:09:35itself and what's happening, but more from a lifestyle
- 1:09:38perspective. Again, having children, raising
- 1:09:40them with intentionality is the lowest time preference thing
- 1:09:43that we can do if we want to see a better world.
- 1:09:46So what inspired this book really was me living into that,
- 1:09:50that, that truth that, you know, my children are an extension of
- 1:09:53me and I want to see them be better versions of of me.
- 1:09:57And so I started bringing my son Kingston to Bitcoin meetups.
- 1:10:00I started bringing him to conferences and the response and
- 1:10:03the interaction and sort of watching him with other people
- 1:10:06who I want to have influence in his life, right?
- 1:10:09Like you become the, some of the, the people you surrender
- 1:10:12yourself with. And that's true of children as
- 1:10:13well. And I want my, my, my kids to
- 1:10:15learn from other Bitcoiners. And so, you know, I, I started
- 1:10:20getting a lot of questions about like, yo, your son is, is pretty
- 1:10:22great. What did you do differently?
- 1:10:24How did you raise him? And so there were, there was a
- 1:10:26lot of, a lot of inspiration from other people who just
- 1:10:29interacted with Kingston who said, I would love to kind of
- 1:10:32pick your brain about parenting. And so I had this idea for this
- 1:10:36book and published it a few months ago.
- 1:10:39Honestly, it's a great book. I, I, I really enjoyed writing
- 1:10:41it. Where you find the time is like
- 1:10:42between 11:00 PM and 3:00 AM and you just RIP, you know, my, my,
- 1:10:47this is a family project. My, my daughter, my 14 year old
- 1:10:49daughter designed the cover. My wife helped edit it kind of,
- 1:10:53you know, kept me honest about all all of the things I was
- 1:10:56presenting a lot of great stories in there just about what
- 1:10:59we've learned along the way, but very much a book that was
- 1:11:02written again, from bitcoiners to Bitcoiners.
- 1:11:05And so look, bull market is here.
- 1:11:07I've seen some some comments in the chat about, you know, be
- 1:11:10careful for SAT diggers, which is true.
- 1:11:12You should be careful. But at the same time, I will say
- 1:11:15this as you're getting girlfriends, you know, as you're
- 1:11:19enjoying this bull run and you're being intentional about,
- 1:11:22OK, like, what am I doing with my life in terms of like, what's
- 1:11:25my family plan? You know, this it's OK if a, if
- 1:11:28a girl is like looking for somebody who's got their shit
- 1:11:30together and has some money. So don't just like dismiss
- 1:11:34people who you think are like sat diggers necessarily.
- 1:11:37Be careful, right? This is a this is a fine nuance,
- 1:11:40but like you want somebody who is thinking about like the fact
- 1:11:44that they want somebody who has money.
- 1:11:47So I think there's an important distinction to be made there
- 1:11:49between like someone who's sat digging and somebody who's just
- 1:11:52like thinking responsibly. Like I have a daughter.
- 1:11:55I want my, I tell my daughter, I'm like, here's the list.
- 1:11:58Here is the criteria of people that you're going to bring home.
- 1:12:01And I don't know if it's controversial on the show or
- 1:12:03not, but like the list goes like this unvaccinated, sorry, you
- 1:12:09know, comes from a good family and has money like is capable of
- 1:12:13making money. That's who I want my daughter to
- 1:12:15that, that's the rubric. That's the, the, the bare
- 1:12:18minimum standard that I want my daughter to to be looking for.
- 1:12:21So as you're, as you're kind of thinking through that and as
- 1:12:24you're, you're having dates and all that kind of stuff, just
- 1:12:26keep that in mind. It's not the worst thing in the
- 1:12:28world. If they're if they're wondering
- 1:12:30how much money you make, Opti by the way that.
- 1:12:33Comment about be careful for SAT diggers.
- 1:12:36It was completely it was for you.
- 1:12:40I'm here for it, so don't. Travel with the.
- 1:12:43Bitcoin Treasury. It was simply Bitcoin Treasury
- 1:12:46hardware wallet. If it goes missing, I will 100%
- 1:12:50put responsibility on Optimus Fields.
- 1:12:53Those sat digger. I'm like Opti in Vegas.
- 1:12:55Oh God, yeah, things happen. But anyways, guys, go check out
- 1:13:00George's book. I put a link in the video
- 1:13:04description on YouTube. It will be in the podcast
- 1:13:07description as well. We also put it in the live chat.
- 1:13:10Support the work of fellow bitcoiners and also guys, if
- 1:13:14you're raising kids, this is a great resource.
- 1:13:16So again, the name of the book is I am not your bra 21 Keys to
- 1:13:21Sound Parenting and the foreword is by legendary podcaster Peter
- 1:13:26McCormack. Guys, if you guys enjoyed
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- 1:13:59Manager of Bitcoin Magazine, George McHale.
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