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Jeeps Need Thrusters — Tesla Just Proved It · Jeep Talk Show

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They put cold thrusters on
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the roadster and it flew.
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Jeeps don't need thrusters to fly.
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Want to hear how Tesla tech could stop a
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rollover or skip the
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winch and hit the hover button.
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Stay for the next
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minute to find out more.
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All right, boys and girls, it's time for
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another flagship classic.
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Chris is stepping into
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tonight for, uh, for Josh.
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Uh, you know, I think everybody is aware.
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Josh was with the show for a good 12
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years, uh, before he had to leave
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to get a second, third job, so he could
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help pay for house and, you
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know, living day to day.
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So, uh, he left the
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show recently came back.
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We found a way where he could record, uh,
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while he was driving around daily
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in the truck, uh, that he, uh, he drives
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around, uh, picking up stuff and
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delivering stuff for a construction
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company that he's been working for.
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And, uh, recently he made the, uh, the
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decision that he was only going
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to record from the studio,
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which I really appreciate.
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It was totally his, his choice because I
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was just trying to make sure
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that we had made it available for
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whatever time work for him.
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And, uh, so I don't, I don't pester him
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about, Hey, we got a show to do.
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Show must go on.
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Yeah, but that's okay.
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We always have a, have Chris as a backup.
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Uh, it doesn't mean that you're second
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best Chris, but your second best.
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That's okay.
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That's right.
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You know, why be number one?
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You can, when you can be number two,
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everybody can find you
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when you're number two.
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All right.
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So, um, the, there's been some, uh, some
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pushback in the past and, uh,
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about me talking about Tesla.
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But I think talking about Tesla is
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relevant to the off-road
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industry, uh, and in a fun way.
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So, uh, if you don't like hearing me talk
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about Tesla, you leave.
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You know, and actually I
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want to start with this, Chris.
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Why do you think it is that
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people are so anti-future?
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Because I understand electric vehicle.
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I'll I much prefer like the throaty V8
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noise, especially that, that
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three 92 that Jeep has in there.
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Beautiful sounding, uh, sounding Jeep,
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beautiful sounding engine gets
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up and goes very manly.
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Um, but I'm also smart enough to
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understand that electric vehicles, the
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torque and instant horsepower is
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radically different than a V8 or any
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internal combustion
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engine is so superior to it.
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And in some time in the future, people
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are going to look back and go, oh yeah,
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I used to love the sound and the smell of
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the V8 at the rumble.
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It was great, but my God, this, this
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electric motor or electric motors,
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cause you'll have one on each wheel.
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So you can do the four wheel drive thing.
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Fewer parts, fewer maintenance, fewer
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cost overall, and so much torque.
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Uh, that's going to be available.
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We all love torque off-road.
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We love tart torque.
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This taken off from
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the, uh, the stop sign.
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Yeah.
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I think the, the, the, the pushback is,
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uh, unfortunately I
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think Tesla, you know,
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it becomes a political conversation,
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which wouldn't, it shouldn't because of
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Elon's stances he's taken with the
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current administration, but there's no
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doubt that he's, he's a game changer for
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lack of a better term.
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And unfortunately I think some of the
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pushback on Tesla is due to Elon and the
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silly people that put, Oh, I bought this
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before Elon went crazy if they had a
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Tesla. So that's a
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component of it, I believe.
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And that's just, I'll
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be nice and say silly.
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Uh, but, uh, I can say my perspective, I
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might be a little bit different being in
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the automotive world.
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Um, the automotive supply base, which I'm
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a part of in my day job really got
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burned with the electric vehicle, uh, the
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investments and then the investments
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that were made and then weren't executed.
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Uh, the revenue wasn't executed because
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they've canceled the vehicles,
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General Motors, Ford, especially, uh,
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and, and Stellantis,
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Chrysler Jeep to some
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degree.
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So that's my perspective because it's,
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yeah, a lot of companies and people got
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burned, uh, either
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directly or indirectly.
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And when you say burned, there was a big
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push by our government, I believe.
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Yes.
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Uh, and certain individuals to do, to get
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everybody to move over to electric
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vehicles. And, and that actually included
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bullying. Uh, it could even be bullying
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from our government. And, uh, so whenever
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it's whenever you come to your senses,
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which people could argue, I understand.
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And then it changes. Then people get
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burned because they've invested in this
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stuff thinking that it was going to be
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something that was going to happen or you
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may not like it, but you get, you
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got to do business.
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Right. Exactly. And, and it, it's just,
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and it's not as popular as it was a
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couple of years ago. I believe it will
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come back around, uh, myself.
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I'm not a huge electric vehicle fan, but
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I do get the technology.
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It is neat technology and, and, you know,
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Chinese EVs are another thing.
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And that's another component of it. I
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mean, the, the, you know,
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will the current administration allow
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electric or Chinese vehicles to be made
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or sold in the United States? And General
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Motors makes a lot of vehicles in China.
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Uh, never, uh, want to miss an
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opportunity to pick on
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General Motors myself.
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Uh, they, you know, they make a lot and
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there's that component of it too.
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I think a lot of people associate Chinese
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car is an EV and that they're not all
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EVs, but many are. So I
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think that's another thing.
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It just becomes too political and that
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just sucks. And, you know,
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let's talk about Jeeps and Teslas and
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off-road and technology and not worry
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about the politics because it is, it is
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technology and then it is,
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it is here and it's going to evolve and
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get better over time.
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Well, my point to all this is, is that,
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and I don't know, uh, if you've,
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if you've seen it or not, but my point to
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all this is, uh, is the, uh,
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the Tesla Roadster, uh, demonstration. So
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they're coming out with a new Tesla.
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Um, if I understood the
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Elon correctly on the,
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the event that I watched last night, um,
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it is not going to be full self-driving.
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This is meant to be a fast, bad-ass
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vehicle that will go very quickly.
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In fact, in that
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administration they had last night,
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it was zero to 60 and 0.81 seconds.
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I did a quick calculation
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on that. That was a 4.1 G's.
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So, um, so, and not only did it take off
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really fast and go zero to 60 in that,
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uh, time it flew.
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Right. So did you see, uh,
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it's kind of hard to miss it if you've
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been online at all today because
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everybody's really
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just going nuts about it.
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I have yet to see Rosie
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O'Donnell with a cold thrusters.
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I mean,
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I've seen some Jeeps and some cars and
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stuff that weren't the Roadster and I'd,
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I've been thinking Rosie O'Donnell
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flipping over cars and
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stuff would be pretty
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good.
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Yeah. I did see the video. I didn't, I
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didn't see the event,
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but I of course saw it online. And the
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other thing, again, not to mean it,
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negative on Tesla. I think the
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other, the other thing is too,
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is what I read
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automotive news blurb, you know,
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Elon promised this Roadster or this
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iteration of it eight years ago.
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Okay. And then people, the
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other thing, oh, if you have,
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I think the deposit on it is
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$50,000. Okay. Well, I mean,
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if you've got $50,000 to put down on a
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vehicle, good on you.
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Yeah. You don't, you don't have a lot of,
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you don't have a lot of issues unless the
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police are investigating you for
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selling drugs.
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Eventually they will. You'll get their
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attention. But yeah,
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I think that's the
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component of it too. But I mean,
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regardless of if they do make one that
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can do all the flips and the flies,
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you know, and the other people, that's
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not legal to do in most areas. Okay.
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We get it. It's just,
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the off road lights aren't legal in those
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areas, right? Right. Right.
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Getting caught is what
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you have to worry about.
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But I read also to your
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point about it being a, you know,
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just a fast, bad ass car.
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Elon said it will be the only Tesla model
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that will still be manually driven in
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the future. Yes. Yeah, exactly. There,
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I don't think they're going to have a
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full self driving. There may be some,
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some moderate stuff that it'll do.
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And I certainly think that
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if you're going to fly it,
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probably we'll have some automated
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features in it so that it reads how close
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to the ground you are and when to fire
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those thrusters. Um, so anyway,
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my, my point is to talk all
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about the Tesla. My point is,
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is that I think that you know,
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everybody understands
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thrusters since the Apollo program,
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everybody saw those little nozzles that
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were like on the landing module and on
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the command module. And they use that for
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attitude adjustment,
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the whole nine yards because you don't
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have wind or air to,
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to glide over and
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create, create thrust and drag.
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So this stuff has been around for a long
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time. And of course,
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SpaceX uses it on their, their, uh, the
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Starship and the Falcon nine.
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So all they did, and I say all they did,
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all they did was they put it, these,
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these thrusters on a car.
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But the big deal is, is how
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much thrust do you give it?
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When do you give it?
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So you have all these things that you
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have to read like the distance to the
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ground, uh, the, how
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fast you're going. Uh,
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I don't personally see any reason for
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barrel walls, but for a demonstration,
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it's nice. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh,
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and I've said this a number
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of years ago and several times,
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Jeeps need thrusters and they
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don't need thrusters to fly.
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They need thrusters to
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keep you from rolling over
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or balancing. Yeah. Or
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worse, roll it over backwards.
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You know how the, when the front end
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comes up and then it's end over end
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backwards. Exactly. Exactly.
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So this is the reason why
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I'm bringing this up is,
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is that we need to be open to new
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technologies because if Tesla can put a
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couple of, uh, tanks, uh, in the, and the
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trunk of this, uh, roadster,
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you know, think of, uh,
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uh, Steve over at power tank.
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If you can put a couple
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of tanks of compressed air,
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and I don't know if you know this or not,
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Chris, it refills itself.
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So the roadster,
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yeah, the, it's not like,
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it's not like this going and getting your
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power tank filled up.
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I'm running out of air. So
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when you use it, the, the,
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the roadster itself takes about 30
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minutes to refill, uh, those,
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I think there's two pressure vessels and
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it's a lot like the pressure vessels
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that you see on, on the Starship. They've
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covered them up now,
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but used to, you'd see these tanks, uh,
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cylindrical tanks on
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the side of the Starship.
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And that's what they're used for. And
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they're cold
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thrusters because it's not a,
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uh, thermal reaction.
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It's just air pressure.
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So it's just using air to
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recharge. It's drawing air. Okay.
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So this isn't something, I
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mean, just that technology,
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could you imagine having
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the technology where you, uh,
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you have a nice power tank and you don't
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have to worry about filling it up.
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You just use the technology to auto fill
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the power tank that alone.
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So this is what we need to do when we see
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this new technology is how can we use
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it? Now, I think it
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probably would be illegal,
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but it may be certainly fun to see King
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of the Hammers with a,
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a cold thruster off-road rig. So
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might be a little like
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cheating, but Oh yeah. Well,
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and the other thing people don't think
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about is when you're in an environment,
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a very, uh, dusty, rocky environment,
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debris is going to be going 500,000 miles
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an hour away from the bottom of the
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vehicle. So I just find it
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fascinating. And like I said,
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this isn't new
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technology. It's the first, uh,
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demonstration of somebody
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taking it to the extreme.
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And that's what Elon has done in many of
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his companies. It's,
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it's like a kid with a Lego set.
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Or if you remember those old construction
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sets that you could build bridges and
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stuff with,
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yeah, that's it's like he's, he's taken
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that stuff and go, yeah, why not?
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And that's the thing that makes, uh,
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Elon so dangerous and
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amazing as his ability to say,
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why not let's do it. Um, and
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I know some of the engineers,
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especially the top level engineers over
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there cringe when he says, Hey,
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what do you guys think about this?
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I think it's one of his models is move
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fast and break things. Yeah, exactly.
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So, um, I don't see a
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situation, uh, for a Jeep,
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I'm not saying you couldn't do it,
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but I don't see a situation for a Jeep
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where you have the, uh, the,
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the vacuum system that's on the roadster.
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So you could literally take corners at
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two G's, uh, with the,
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the vacuum system, because it pulls the
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vehicle down to the road,
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which you saw on the, in the,
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the demo where it was upside down and
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still on the ramp. Um,
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so that's really impressive. And I
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figured they made this thing really,
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really light so that
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they could, you know,
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so they could do all this
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stuff that they were doing.
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And then it dawned on me, this thing's
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got batteries in it and batteries ain't
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light. So yeah,
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so this was an engineering
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feat that they had to go through,
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but I'm saying it has, um,
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it has things that we could
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use it all as off-roaders.
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I think one of the worst things in it
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bothers me, it's exciting to see,
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but it bothers me anytime it happens.
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It's one somebody rolls over.
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If they flop over to the side, that's not
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so bad. But whenever the, the,
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the nose is crushed, the
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windshield is crushed. Uh,
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I hate seeing that cause
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that's a, that's a Jeep. It's trash.
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Yeah. Agree.
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So, uh, I think we're gonna,
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we're about to see a lot of really
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interesting things and uh, and, and,
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I'm sure it's Red Bull is going to be
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associated with these really interesting
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things and cold thrusters.
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Now how, how cold does it get? Do you
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know? I know when you say cold,
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like cold air intake is just
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kind of me and oxymoron. Um,
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but do you know how cold it can get?
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Well, I mean, it's, it's
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just air coming out of a nozzle.
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So, uh, whenever you do
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the decompression thing,
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you have an energy transfer.
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So it's kind of the way our air
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conditioning systems
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work where they use the
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coolant to compress and decompress and
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those changes causes cold.
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But the, I think the point of this, uh,
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being called cold thrusters is so people
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understand it's not Batman's rocket
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engine on the back of the back of the
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vehicle. It's not fire.
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It's not thousands of
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degrees. It's, it's air.
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So it might be a little cooler.
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I don't think anybody would have a
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problem or the paint
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jobs on other vehicles
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around your, whatever you have with the
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cold thrusters of vehicles that are
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around you. There wouldn't be a problem.
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You'd be more likely to break a glass
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aside side or put a
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dent in a vehicle just
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simply because of the 10,000 PSI that
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this cold thruster system has.
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And you may not need that if
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you're not flying, you just,
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but it would be cool to have an emergency
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system so that whenever you got so far
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out of your, your pitch
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and yaw and everything else,
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cold thrusters would fire and then put
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your nose back down.
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Yeah. I was just thinking of another
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application. If it was cold,
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if it could cool and enter beers,
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but yeah, save you from that a thousand
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dollar domestic refrigerator in the back
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of your Jeep.
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If it would be act as an intercooler for
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a supercharger or turbocharger,
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make that more efficient. Just the
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thought, but it doesn't,
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it doesn't sound like I get what you mean
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by it's not hot, like a, a rocket.
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It's cold as in we'll call it ambient air
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temperature. Maybe, maybe a little bit
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less.
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The other thing I was really impressed by
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was the quote unquote flying time,
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15 to 20 seconds, which was a lot longer
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than what I anticipated.
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That's a lot of time.
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Yeah, it really is. And anyway,
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I'm just thinking that this
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isn't a Tesla fan type thing.
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Although I really liked the technology
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behind Tesla and space X,
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several of the, I mean, neural link,
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several of the things that Elon is doing.
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But, uh,
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it's more along the lines of embrace the
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technology and think about how you can
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use it. I mean, I don't
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think that, uh, somebody,
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some company, Motoville,
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for example, uh, needs to, uh,
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invest and come out with something that
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is really cool. And then people go,
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Oh, that's not a bad idea. People
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shouldn't have, I mean,
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it's the way it works,
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but people shouldn't have to come out
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with something that you can see.
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So you can understand, think about it,
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think about what these technologies can
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do for you and what you enjoy doing.
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You don't want to EV. I have no problem
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with that whatsoever. But the,
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like we talked about last time, Chris,
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having the ability to
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have your Jeep drive you to,
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or do most of the driving,
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most of the heavy loading, uh,
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the 19 hour drive for me
17:30
going to Moab, Utah. Yeah.
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Why wouldn't I want that? I
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don't need to charge my vehicle.
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I can fill it up at a gas station. That's
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fine with that. But, uh,
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let somebody else drive.
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Oh yeah. Agree. Yeah.
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Anyway, uh, that, that's kind of my,
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my preachy thing for the
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test of the roadster, the demo.
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If you guys haven't seen that I've got
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some clips up here that I'm,
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that you're seeing, but if you haven't
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seen the full thing, watch it. It was,
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it was very impressive to me from the
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standpoint that I expected some little
18:02
something. Uh, I wasn't sure if them
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driving halfway up that vertical wall and
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this park there. I thought
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that that might've been it.
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And whenever they backed down off of it,
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it was like, Oh, come on,
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you guys gotta have to do more than this.
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And then they drove it up to
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the top and flew off of it and,
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and rotated to the barrel roll and
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landed. And I went, that's pretty good.
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That's exciting. And then
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they did more. Do you know,
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they're doing two more demos. So I don't
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know what more that they can do.
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Are they live demos? I mean, is this
18:32
something where the public, I mean,
18:35
the public was there. I mean,
18:36
Elon specifically wanted the
18:37
public there because of AI.
18:40
He didn't want a bunch of
18:41
claims that this wasn't real.
18:43
It was just AI generated. So, I mean, you
18:46
can generate the people too,
18:47
but I don't want to, I don't want to put
18:48
too much shade on the whole thing.
18:51
Right.
18:53
All right, Chris. So, uh,
18:55
the, uh, you've done some, uh,
18:58
some videos of, uh, the, uh, thar camper,
19:01
th a I R C a M P E R.
19:06
And it's basically an inflatable camper,
19:08
uh, for a full size pickups and also to
19:11
the gladiator. So, uh, Chris and I had an
19:13
idea. We're not going to do it tonight.
19:15
This isn't an intro. It's an
19:17
intro for a future thing. Uh,
19:19
Chris and I are going to try
19:20
to do a walk around a video, um,
19:24
and, uh, basically do a back and forth
19:26
like we're doing here,
19:27
except Chris will be outside and, uh, uh,
19:31
and this will be tough for you,
19:32
Chris. You'll need to video your,
19:35
your gladiator and show off the gladiator
19:37
and the camper. Hopefully that won't
19:39
be too much, uh, too much work to do. Uh,
19:43
but I think that'd be a lot of fun and
19:44
I'm hoping that we can do more of these
19:46
things in the future,
19:47
uh, where we have, uh,
19:48
you out in the field interacting with
19:50
people and also too,
19:52
even if you've got
19:53
your, uh, your video helper,
19:54
the guy that holding the camera for you.
19:56
Um, and, uh, you, you can, uh,
19:58
we can still hopefully interact between
20:01
each other. And, uh,
20:02
maybe I can do one of those things where
20:03
you don't tell them I'm asking
20:05
questions, but you have to ask them the
20:06
question. You've seen that on online,
20:08
right? Oh, was it Kilmall? What was doing
20:11
that? Where they would, uh,
20:12
they would tell people what to ask and
20:14
then go, Jimmy, Jimmy Kimmel,
20:16
and a show that I watched with my
20:17
daughter. It's been a
20:18
few years, but, uh, um,
20:21
not the man show. No, no,
20:23
it's something more recent. Um,
20:25
impractical jokers. Okay. It's a group of
20:28
guys. There were four,
20:29
now there's three there. They were
20:31
friends since high school. That's it.
20:33
Actually, uh, they're a
20:34
standup comedian group,
20:36
but they do some really funny stuff in
20:38
New York and they challenge each other.
20:40
So they have a beer piece in and they
20:42
have to go and they have to say exactly
20:44
what the other guys are telling them.
20:46
Otherwise they lose. And if you lose,
20:48
then you have to do something of a
20:50
physical stunt at the
20:51
end that is even more
20:52
embarrassing. It's just like that. And
20:54
they go, they walk around,
20:56
they do a really good job
20:57
with it. They've explained,
20:58
they all have a coffee cup in
20:59
their hand, like a, you know,
21:00
like a Starbucks cup or a
21:01
paper cup that we see people.
21:03
And that's where the microphone is and
21:04
they have an earpiece.
21:05
And then you're like, go, go ask this
21:07
lady what color underwear. I mean,
21:09
nothing, nothing really
21:10
crazy, but you know, go,
21:12
go up and tell this person you're hiding
21:13
out from the police and see the
21:15
reaction. And, and they, they,
21:18
the people don't know that somebody's in
21:20
their ear telling them to say this and
21:23
they, they're, they can
21:24
see them. So yeah. So anyway,
21:26
that's impractical jokers. It's good. I
21:28
imagine we'll, we'll do that.
21:29
I'll have that, that type of feel to it.
21:31
Do, are you old enough or maybe you saw
21:33
it on reruns old enough to remember
21:36
candid camera?
21:37
Oh yeah. I remember candid camera.
21:38
It's kind of like, it's kind of like
21:40
candid camera. Yeah.
21:41
Yes. Yeah. But I think too,
21:43
we could also do at events, uh,
21:46
like the real news thing and
21:47
you see the news people and,
21:50
and either talking to the person in the
21:52
studio, you're in the studio.
21:53
And when you're watching
21:55
on the, on the TV, you,
21:56
you don't know that the person is
21:57
standing out there in the hurricane.
21:59
Can't see Bob back at the station, but
22:01
that's, you get that feeling. And I've,
22:04
I've, you know, I've had the chance many
22:06
years ago to be on TV and they just say
22:08
stare at the light. Like I'm looking at
22:10
the camera here. I mean,
22:11
I can see you were on split screen now,
22:13
but just look at the,
22:14
look at the light on the camera and
22:16
you're looking in the person's eyes,
22:17
whether you know it or not.
22:18
Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I think we're
22:20
going to have some fun with that.
22:21
And I think you were telling me the other
22:22
day we were chatting on the phone and
22:26
the event season from the standpoint of
22:28
the things that you go to. I mean,
22:29
SEMA is coming up in just a
22:31
couple of weeks. Uh, yes. Uh,
22:34
well, I'm going to be at the Midwest,
22:37
mid America off road expo in January. I
22:40
think it's end of January,
22:41
first part of February. So I'll be back
22:43
there. Uh, Natalie
22:44
and high lift off road,
22:45
Mike, that's an event
22:46
they do. Tom Zielinski,
22:48
friend of the show's involved in that.
22:49
That's a nice indoor event and date in
22:51
Ohio and, and first part of February,
22:53
it's in my calendar.
22:54
I think it's ended January be
22:56
there. Uh, but yeah, it's, uh,
22:58
the weather's turned here in the Midwest.
22:59
It's was 52 degrees when I backed the
23:01
gladiator and their
23:02
driveway this evening.
23:04
Uh, so yeah, outdoor events are pretty
23:06
much done. There's a couple.
23:08
Oh, I didn't think about that. Yeah. It
23:09
does get really cold up there. I forgot.
23:12
And yeah, we're just
23:13
with the snow and ice.
23:15
It can, yeah. Well, we won't probably
23:17
won't see snow and ice until November and
23:20
in November, December, but,
23:21
uh, yeah, the outdoor events, uh,
23:23
at least Jeep events are done. There's a
23:25
couple color runs, fun runs,
23:27
nothing really off roadie. So I don't
23:29
plan to go to any of that.
23:32
Um, and, uh,
23:34
it's currently on the schedule for you to
23:36
go to EJS this year. Is that correct?
23:39
Yes, it's in the calendar. I don't think
23:41
I can have any, uh, people,
23:43
any more people die on me. And, um,
23:46
I was just going to make that joke about
23:48
everybody that was going to die or might
23:50
have died has done so. Yeah. And I mean,
23:53
they were asking for you last year. They
23:55
thought you were a girl with the name of
23:56
Chris, but they were asking for you last
23:59
year. And then you had to let them know.
24:01
Stellantis. This is Stellantis that was
24:03
asking for you. So, uh,
24:04
you're making a pretty big name. I think
24:06
it's because you MC these events,
24:08
like for Zalinski and, uh,
24:10
was it a BG four by four Fest?
24:12
You've done a, the MCing there for them,
24:14
not this year, but in the past.
24:16
I did this year was
24:17
just two weekends ago. Yep.
24:19
There was a different event that you
24:20
weren't available to go to. Right. Right.
24:22
Um, but, uh, yeah, no, it's, it's, uh,
24:25
like you say, we're
24:25
kind of a big deal now,
24:26
but it is a, uh, a privilege and honor to
24:29
get that reminder there,
24:31
to reach out, uh, folks from Jeep
24:33
reaching out and I do
24:35
plan on getting out to
24:36
EJS. It's so cool to have a, get a
24:38
message from Stellantis that doesn't,
24:40
doesn't say stop it. Uh, who
24:43
are you? Why are you doing this?
24:46
Talk to our lawyers. Uh,
24:47
they've been great. Actually,
24:48
that'd be great that they had
24:50
the entire time. Uh, and it's,
24:51
it's always fun to be able to interact
24:53
with the people that make your, uh,
24:54
your favorite vehicle. Uh, oh, you know
24:57
what? I come to think of it. Um,
24:59
you are number one,
25:00
you were number one in as much as going
25:03
out to these events and, uh,
25:06
shaking hands and
25:07
interacting and doing that.
25:09
And this was something that Josh never
25:11
could do. He, he likes that. He,
25:13
I think he's good at it,
25:14
but it wasn't anything that we ever had
25:16
enough money to be able to pay for him
25:18
to, you know, to fly to places and, um,
25:21
even as gas money. So,
25:22
uh, this is, this is all stuff that
25:25
you're right there in the middle of this,
25:26
not certainly not EJS,
25:28
but all the stuff that's going on around
25:31
Detroit, you're able to go to.
25:32
And I say around Detroit, you,
25:34
you drive three, four hours or more to go
25:36
to some of these events.
25:38
Yeah, but it is, it is fortunate to be
25:40
right place, right time. I mean,
25:41
the choice, no longer the automobile
25:44
capital of the world.
25:45
We don't have the auto show
25:46
like we once did many years ago,
25:47
but there's still the Stellanthus Jeep
25:50
headquarters is about an hour north of
25:52
me, 45 minutes. And, uh, just, just being
25:55
around in the industry
25:57
is really neat. American expedition
25:59
vehicles is 20 minutes
26:00
from my office. Yeah.
26:01
And Greg Henderson shop on official use
26:04
only is about an hour, 45 minutes away.
26:06
So it's, it's neat just, just to be
26:08
around and you see the, uh,
26:10
see what's out and about.
26:12
Unfortunately, the Jeep,
26:14
or the Chrysler museum was
26:15
taken down many years ago,
26:17
concepts are at the
26:18
Connor Connor assembly plant,
26:20
which is only about 15, 20 minutes from
26:22
my house. It's not a place you can walk
26:24
in, but you can get permission and go and
26:25
check it out from time to time. So,
26:27
very, uh, very fortunate and it'd be in,
26:30
being around and seeing,
26:31
seeing the Jeeps and seeing the concepts
26:33
occasionally early morning,
26:35
you'll seem tooling
26:35
around. And, uh, um, so yeah,
26:38
that's just fortunate for me in the show.
26:41
So before I, and I'll let you think about
26:43
this a little bit, uh,
26:45
by asking you a
26:46
question before we get to it,
26:47
I was going to ask you about, uh,
26:48
anything that you'd like to cover here on
26:51
the show, tell people about stuff.
26:52
It, uh, but before that, uh,
26:54
I'd like for you to, uh, uh,
26:57
tell me something about
26:58
your tires. I know that you,
27:00
you did an agreement
27:01
with a tire company and, uh,
27:04
you got tires for
27:05
your, for your gladiators.
27:06
So now the kids aren't coming up to it
27:08
asking for ice cream with, uh,
27:10
driving around with those
27:11
ice cream tires. No, no.
27:13
Put a, put in a plug for the, uh, the
27:15
tire company that, uh,
27:17
furnished your Jeep with, uh, with tires
27:20
off road tires. Yes. Yeah.
27:22
Big shout out. And thank
27:22
you to a thorough tires.
27:23
I've got one of their shirts on now. I
27:25
got the a thorough trail blade.
27:26
I didn't realize that. Yeah. A thorough
27:28
trail blade MTS is great tire.
27:30
Unfortunately, uh, you know,
27:32
my Jeep was in the dealer for several
27:33
weeks, uh, because of engine issues,
27:36
but I've been a great tire on the road.
27:38
Got about 10,000 miles on them already.
27:41
And that works well in all climates so
27:43
far. We'll see what the snow does,
27:44
but I was out at the 10th annual Silver
27:47
Lake sand dunes Jeep invasion did
27:49
excellent in the sand,
27:51
especially for a mud tire, uh,
27:53
that had not been my experience with
27:54
other tires, especially new tires.
27:56
Uh, but then they did great. So big, big
27:59
thanks to a thorough, uh,
28:01
and, uh, you know, want to give them a
28:03
shout out great, great tire, uh,
28:05
as advertised. And I
28:07
knew it had a, uh, you know,
28:09
a noisy rating and a,
28:10
yeah, you can hear it coming.
28:11
You can definitely hear it coming. Yeah.
28:14
I like it. I think it's cool,
28:15
but not everybody, not
28:17
everybody loves it. Um,
28:19
there's always Broncos and
28:21
a bicycle tires. Yes. Yeah.
28:24
But that's, that's not why we buy them
28:25
for, for quality ride or quiet.
28:27
You just turn the radio up or drive
28:29
faster and listen to
28:31
the tires hum. But yeah,
28:32
I'd love like, like my a
28:33
thorough tire. So thorough,
28:35
thorough's the way to go
28:36
for me. Um, and you got, uh,
28:39
35 12 and a half by 17th,
28:41
right? Yes. Yeah. 35, 12,
28:43
50, 17 and put it on the
28:46
guests. They were, they were,
28:47
Ted the Jeep wheel, uh, they were take
28:49
offs, the B lock capable.
28:52
Mine came off a high tide Wrangler, uh,
28:54
but they have the ring, uh,
28:56
the protection ring. You can get the B
28:57
lock ring. So there are 17 by eight.
29:00
So it's the, the a thorough tire has a
29:02
nice stance on there.
29:03
It's just an inch wider. I believe then
29:05
the tide than the wheel that was on my
29:07
gladiator, I believe the wheel on my
29:09
gladiator was 17 seven. Uh,
29:11
and these are 17 eight. So it's got a
29:13
nice, a nice stance. It's a little,
29:16
for me a little more proper and they
29:17
don't stick out to too bad, uh,
29:20
from the, from the flares. And I got a,
29:23
you know, gladiator sport.
29:24
So it has the, the sport
29:26
flares on there. Uh, and I,
29:28
I really liked the way it looks, you
29:29
know, those are turtles on there.
29:30
I thought I would want the Rubicon
29:32
flares, but I, I like the way it looks.
29:35
The 35 it's got a nice, nice
29:37
spacing, uh, and plenty of room.
29:39
So when I do stuff it up in there and I'm
29:41
full articulation, I don't,
29:42
I don't believe there'll be any issue.
29:44
All right. Well, as long as
29:45
you have a properly, uh, uh,
29:47
maintained and installed lift kit,
29:49
a lot of that stuff will
29:50
take care of itself. And, uh,
29:52
you did the AEV lift kit
29:54
on yours. Yep. AEV, um,
29:56
I like their product and they're two and
29:58
a half inch and they say on their
29:59
website, you can only run up
30:01
to a 35 inch tall tire with the
30:04
sport flares. Otherwise they will contact
30:06
if you run something larger. Um,
30:08
so that's, that's what I did.
30:10
Well, fortunately changing the flares of
30:13
the aftermarket is not that big a deal.
30:15
Not that expensive, but I
30:17
don't, I don't think, uh,
30:19
I don't think that'll be a concern. I
30:20
don't even think that going out to a EJS,
30:22
uh, I don't think you'll have a problem.
30:24
I didn't have a problem with mine.
30:25
And I'm running the two
30:26
inch mobile par lift. So,
30:29
and you've got 30, 35 on yours as well.
30:31
Yeah, I do not, uh,
30:33
these are famous last words.
30:34
I do not ever see going past, uh, 37. Um,
30:39
and I suspect that I won't do 37, uh,
30:42
until I have put the, uh,
30:46
get and have installed the, the, the, the
30:48
lockers. And at that time,
30:51
I'll have the, the, the,
30:52
the, uh, ring opinion ratio, uh,
30:56
that whole thing changed. So the ratio
30:57
will be, uh, uh, numerically higher,
31:00
um, lower in the overall
31:03
gearing so that it will, uh,
31:05
properly operate with those 37 I've got
31:08
four tens on the 35s and it's
31:10
fine. Um, I just going out on the
31:13
highway, unless it's really flat,
31:15
I don't really get into eighth gear. Um,
31:18
and did you ever turn that on on your
31:20
display on your gladiator so that you
31:21
can see what gear you're in?
31:23
I'm not.
31:24
Yeah, that's really cool. And it's,
31:26
I think it's really cool too if you're
31:28
worried about a gas mileage, uh,
31:30
because there's, you can drive
31:32
differently. I don't
31:33
think, uh, I think, uh,
31:34
back and forth to E to
31:35
EJS, uh, to Moab, Utah. Uh,
31:38
I think that I was keeping it around 70
31:40
miles an hour. Uh, I mean,
31:42
going 80 wouldn't have been
31:43
a problem, but then again,
31:45
I wouldn't have been in seventh gear.
31:47
I probably would have been six
31:48
gear more often than seventh.
31:50
And it really makes a difference on long
31:52
drives like that. Uh, uh, what, uh,
31:55
what your RPMs are. So yep. Uh, that's
31:58
another thing I look forward to,
31:59
perhaps getting the right gear ratio for
32:02
the differentials and the eight speed
32:03
transmission so that
32:05
eighth gear is not unusual.
32:08
I mean, I don't mind it
32:09
dropping down to seventh,
32:10
but if I can say an
32:11
eighth gear more often,
32:13
then that's just the money in my pocket.
32:15
Yeah. And I, to that point, my, I do
32:17
notice mine, I don't have four tens.
32:19
I have three, seven, three gearing,
32:22
and I can feel it hunt between eight and
32:24
seven on the highway.
32:25
I do fair amount of highway driving to
32:26
and from work every day.
32:28
And I can feel it move to your point. It
32:30
gets flat and it goes up.
32:32
And then it, it just, it's not a big
32:34
deal. I've talked to some guys.
32:36
I did meet a guy who had 37s
32:38
on a Willis Wrangler or Willis
32:41
Gladiator would add the three 73 gears.
32:43
And he said it never got much out of
32:45
fourth or fifth gear, which
32:47
doesn't sound good to me.
32:49
That's all days where
32:50
those three speed transmission.
32:52
Yeah. So, uh, no, I agree. Uh, yeah.
32:56
Would it would have loved to gone with 37
32:58
inch of Turo's? I mean, they,
32:59
they were very supportive, you know, they
33:01
want you to put some 37s on there,
33:02
but, uh, you know, I, I don't have the
33:05
money right now to read gear
33:07
and wanted to get it going.
33:08
Oh, I bet you'd be
33:09
down a week to, uh, the,
33:11
the getting it into the shop and then
33:13
changing things and testing everything.
33:15
You know, um, I remember, uh, I remember
33:17
our, our previous co-host, uh,
33:20
who runs a, uh, a drive train shop, uh,
33:23
actually told me that, uh,
33:25
you can get ring and pinion.
33:27
That's been, uh, pre I
33:31
don't want to say treated,
33:31
but has been already, um, fixed, uh, the,
33:35
the, uh, thanks who
33:37
through heating, um, that it, uh,
33:39
so you don't have to break them in. It's
33:41
like what the factory uses.
33:43
So I think they're like a hundred dollars
33:45
more. So 200 bucks overall.
33:47
And I love that idea where you get it
33:50
installed and then
33:50
you don't have to drive
33:52
it 500 miles, drain the fluid, you know,
33:55
and then you can't even really get it out
33:56
on the highway, uh, whenever you're,
33:58
when you're breaking in.
33:59
Well, I recall and that had been Greg
34:01
Henderson had made
34:02
the claim that sometimes
34:03
those shops wants you to do that just
34:05
cause they want to check their work and
34:06
make sure everything's tight. Come back
34:08
in, pull the cover, change the fluid.
34:10
But now I agree. I mean, something like
34:13
that, it's a significant cost, uh,
34:15
especially cause I would, I don't have
34:17
the, I mean, have I set a gear up?
34:19
May I have one time, but it was just in
34:21
shop class. I wouldn't feel right.
34:23
Setting my own gear.
34:25
Although it would be a horrible feeling
34:26
cause you'd be so questioning. I mean,
34:28
if you're not, if you're not practiced at
34:30
it, it's just one of those things,
34:32
it's very sensitive.
34:33
And I'm sure there's people
34:34
out there that have done it,
34:35
just done it on their own. It was fine,
34:37
but I, I, I, I tend to have a tendency to
34:40
believe it, it wasn't their primary
34:41
vehicle or they had a
34:43
backup vehicle in case it
34:44
went horribly wrong.
34:46
Or, or it was an old XJ
34:47
that was just towed somewhere.
34:49
Or L T J that they just, you know, it was
34:51
a farm rig for lack of a better term.
34:54
Yeah. Low mileage, off-road
34:55
mileage. All right, Chris,
34:56
was there anything you wanted to cover
34:58
before we wrap up here?
34:59
Anything you got coming up? Anything that
35:01
you wanted to mention?
35:02
I mean, we mentioned the Arturo tires,
35:04
which I wanted to prompt you for that
35:06
plug because they were good enough to
35:09
provide you some tires.
35:11
Yeah, no, that's, that's probably about
35:12
it. Just, um, you know,
35:13
looking forward to EJS and, uh,
35:15
I mean a Theracamper and give
35:16
a shout out to power again, um,
35:19
and check out their camper.com at
35:20
thorough tires.com. Um,
35:23
just got some JKS quicker disconnects,
35:25
which I think you have on
35:26
your gladiator. So I've,
35:27
I got those in preparation for the big
35:30
trip with Steve O and then my Jeep was in
35:32
the dealer for three weeks. So we'll
35:34
begin after that this weekend, hopefully,
35:36
and, uh, get, uh, get it ready for, uh,
35:39
get it ready for the spring. Uh,
35:40
looking forward to an early spring and,
35:42
uh, well, EJS and we'll call it EJS in
35:44
the spring.
35:45
Yeah. EJS be a lot of
35:47
fun. That would be a, uh,
35:48
I look forward to going
35:49
back someday. Uh, but, uh, it,
35:53
uh, I'm glad that I got to go a couple of
35:55
times, a couple of times. And,
35:57
and I think I've mentioned this before.
35:58
I'm not a fan of long drives. Uh, I mean,
36:01
I do like the idea of going like on a
36:04
road trip and eating a bunch of junk and
36:06
seeing things. Yeah. Yeah. Uh,
36:10
but I do not like the idea of being
36:12
locked in a vehicle, uh,
36:13
for hours when you're
36:15
getting to a destination.
36:16
I will absolutely do that
36:18
anytime I can go to Moab, Utah.
36:21
It is so beautiful up
36:23
there and I highly recommend,
36:26
and this is probably a
36:27
pretty good, pretty big,
36:28
pretty good plug for the
36:29
Jeep talk show community.
36:31
I highly recommend if you can go and
36:33
there's a group of people there, uh,
36:35
that you know, even if it's just online,
36:37
just to hang out with and eat with and
36:39
interact and laugh with. Um,
36:41
I know that that was one of
36:42
the things that made my, uh,
36:44
my trip out there the first and second
36:46
time so good was
36:47
having the several of the
36:49
Jeep talk show, uh, team, uh,
36:51
several of the Jeep talk
36:52
show viewers and listeners, uh,
36:55
being out there and all of us just
36:57
interacting and going
36:58
and taking up several
37:00
I think we had a 20
37:01
something vehicles, uh, Jeep, uh,
37:04
Jeep vehicles that were with, uh, out
37:06
there, uh, with the Jeep talk show.
37:08
So just very proud of that.
37:11
I think that's wonderful that we have
37:12
enough people listening and watching the
37:15
show that, uh, want to be involved, uh,
37:17
with everybody. And it's not just me,
37:19
it's everybody that's, it's, you know,
37:21
like at the round table,
37:22
you get to know people on there. Oh, and
37:23
I will mention this, uh, the, the, the,
37:27
the group, including you, uh,
37:28
make, uh, off-road event, uh,
37:31
discussions and, uh, plans and
37:33
whatnot on our discord server.
37:36
Uh, and, uh,
37:37
you can find out all that information by
37:38
going over to a jeep talk show.com slash
37:41
contact and find out how to get on our
37:43
discord, join our round table, uh,
37:45
watch movie night, uh, which is, is fine.
37:48
Think of mystery science theater 3000
37:51
where everybody's making the making
37:53
comments about the video
37:54
that we're watching. It's a,
37:55
I think it's, I've said it before,
37:57
it's the like the Jeep version of a
37:59
mystery science theater 3000.
38:02
So, cause it's usually Jeep related.
38:07
All right, Chris, unless you got anything
38:08
to add, if you do jump right in there,
38:09
but, uh, if, uh, if that's it,
38:12
then we're going to let you guys go and
38:14
get back to your normal day. Uh,
38:15
hopefully you're still here after all the
38:17
Tesla talk at the beginning,
38:19
but like I said at
38:20
the front, if not, you.
38:24
Thanks, Tony. Thank you. You're my
38:26
friend. You're my new friend.
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