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Too Many International Stars?, Australia’s Depth Test & When Junior Netball Gets Too Serious · No Dribble

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  Speaker 1: Morning, Dribblers. I'm in my pyjamas in the studio. We've
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  Speaker 1: because I have the microphone, I'm going to lead off
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  Speaker 1: with another Dolly Parton quote this week. And who knows,
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  Speaker 1: this may be until the end of time now. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Dolly says, I make a point to appreciate all the
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  Speaker 1: little things in my life. I go out and I
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  Speaker 1: smell the air after a good hard rain. These small
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  Speaker 1: actions help remind me that there are so many great,
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  Speaker 2: Strap in! MUSIC Hello and welcome.
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  Speaker 1: To No Dribble, the podcast where we talk about Dolly
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  Speaker 1: Parton and so much more. We will get back to
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  Speaker 1: a usual netball beat at some stage. In fact, we
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  Speaker 1: will do that today. My name's Carolyn Swindell.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Casco.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Liz Ellis.
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  Speaker 1: Hello.
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  Speaker 2: I do love the smell of rain. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: After rain, particularly when the tart, like the bitumen's hot.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Do you know what that smell is?
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  Speaker 3: There's a word for it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what it is?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Petrichor.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I've spoken about it before.
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  Speaker 2: Have we?
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  Speaker 1: The smell of the earth after rain. And it's a very, very, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: particular smell, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: How good's spring?
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  Speaker 4: The weather has been amazing. And I remember you said
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  Speaker 4: on Wednesday's episode that spring was calming. We're going to
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  Speaker 4: be calm in spring.
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  Speaker 1: Are we not? Are we not?
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  Speaker 3: No, we're not going to be calm because we've had
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  Speaker 3: a really wet winter up here and then spring's hit
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  Speaker 3: and we've got some sunshine. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you can hear it, but the moment the sun came out,
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  Speaker 3: the farmer, the meat tray, decided that everything must be mowed.
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  Speaker 1: Everything must be mowed. So if you have a hum
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  Speaker 1: in the background of this episode– That is Matthew Hart
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  Speaker 1: at work and we appreciate him. Liz, I cannot tell
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  Speaker 1: you how many times I have laughed in the last
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  Speaker 1: week thinking about you sending Matthew off to the horse
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  Speaker 1: shop and thinking he'll get a helmet and in your
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  Speaker 1: mind you're getting Argentinian polo player coming back.
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  Speaker 3: All the man from Snow River, I'm not picking.
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  Speaker 1: No, you got Strop instead.
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  Speaker 4: Who's Strop?
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  Speaker 1: I just don't remember Strop. Strop was Paul Hogan's off-sider
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  Speaker 1: and he's always in these King G shorts and just.
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  Speaker 1: But there must be three or four times that I
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  Speaker 1: have laughed out loud and someone said, what are you
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  Speaker 1: laughing about? And it's like, well. Just thinking about Liz
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  Speaker 1: and the Argentinian polo player. I know you said Man
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  Speaker 1: from Snowy River, but, you know, they don't wear helmets.
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  Speaker 3: No, but look, either way. This outfit out for you.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to that mower.
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  Speaker 3: God love it. I know, it's a beautiful thing. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: the horse is gone and so now he's got a
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  Speaker 3: motorbike and it's like being married to Evel Knievel. I'm like, anyway.
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  Speaker 3: LAUGHTER I said that deep one. Austin goes, who's Evel Knievel?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: The 70s references are coming thick and fast for us today,
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  Speaker 1: aren't they?
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  Speaker 2: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: Do yourself a favour. Go and video the life of
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  Speaker 3: Evel Knievel. I didn't realise how interesting he was. Anyway.
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  Speaker 4: No, I also want to say just about the calm.
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  Speaker 4: I rang my sister this morning and I'm not a
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  Speaker 4: big lover of technology. I would go back to the
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  Speaker 4: 80s in a heartbeat. Give me Google Maps and just
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  Speaker 4: move on from that.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say you do not want a Refidex.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to be driving around in your manual
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  Speaker 1: car trying to go from one page to the next.
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  Speaker 3: It's the only thing I would keep.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, I was thinking this morning there's got to
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  Speaker 4: be a technology around menopause and phone use. And you
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  Speaker 4: know how sometimes you've got to breathalyze yourself in your
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  Speaker 4: car up before it will start? I reckon it's almost
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  Speaker 4: necessary to do like a diabetes finger prick before and
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  Speaker 4: to check your hormone level.
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  Speaker 2: Before you get it.
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  Speaker 4: You're not allowed to make phone calls. So my sister
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  Speaker 4: rings me this morning, started innocently enough, was actually at
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  Speaker 4: the shops and offered to get me something. Nice. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is really lovely. I asked the simplest of questions
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  Speaker 4: to which I got a, oh, thanks, hey, stop being
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  Speaker 4: a control freak. And I said, oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I said, do you need a coffee?
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  Speaker 4: And she said, no, I need some progesterone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's always a good thing. But I have
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  Speaker 3: heard conversations between you and your sister over many, many years,
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  Speaker 3: and I often think, oh, my God, if they weren't
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  Speaker 3: best friends, you'd think they hated each other the way
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  Speaker 3: they speak to each other.
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  Speaker 1: They're not terribly courteous to one another.
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  Speaker 2: I'm courteous all the time.
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  Speaker 4: I just said to her, what's happening? Where's the rage
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  Speaker 4: come from? She goes, oh, yeah, I don't know. But
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  Speaker 4: at that time I thought you shouldn't be allowed to
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  Speaker 4: operate communication devices when you're.
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  Speaker 2: On the precipice.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I will remind you that it was only in Wednesday's
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  Speaker 1: episode that you were telling us about the dick and
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  Speaker 1: balls decanter that you bought. I'm thinking maybe that you
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  Speaker 1: should have some type of thing that prevents you from
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  Speaker 1: shopping at particular times. Yeah, and I said step away
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  Speaker 1: from the phone and you went, no, no, it's terrific,
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that I'm buying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not abusing people.
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  Speaker 4: I'm making people's lives better. You know you want a
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  Speaker 4: penis to cancer.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, absolutely I do. Okay, I've got a quick
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  Speaker 1: dilemma for you guys. I've got a number of people
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  Speaker 1: around me at the moment who are having babies, which
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  Speaker 1: is very, very delightful. Actually, how's this though? One of them,
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  Speaker 1: my mate Taryn, has just come back to the gym
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  Speaker 1: from having a baby 10 weeks ago. And we're at
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  Speaker 1: the gym the other day. It was so exciting. The
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  Speaker 1: baby's over there in the pram. We're doing back squats.
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  Speaker 1: And so we were sharing a rack. You've got to
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  Speaker 1: have the bar on the rack and then you get
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  Speaker 1: under it and put it on your shoulders and squat it.
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  Speaker 1: And she starts taking the piss out of me about
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  Speaker 1: my height. And it's like, you have not been seeing
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  Speaker 1: me in 10 weeks, but you have been listening to
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. So she just says it.
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  Speaker 2: It's viral.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's catching on from YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: It's a disrespect.
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  Speaker 4: I'm surrounded by a lot of people having babies. These
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  Speaker 4: aren't your age friends.
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 1: These are not miracle. These are young people at the
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  Speaker 1: appropriate age to have babies, late 20s and 30s. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: from the gym, a lot of people. Anyway, but so
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  Speaker 1: if you have a baby, okay, follow me so far. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: we've all been there. So if the baby's... other parent,
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  Speaker 1: so let's say you are both Super Netball fans. If
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  Speaker 1: one of you is a Swifts fan and one of
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  Speaker 1: you is a Thunderbirds fan, who gets to decide what
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  Speaker 1: the baby's team is? Now, this has come up from
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  Speaker 1: some rugby league fans at the gym and it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's really interesting. Who gets to decide what team the
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  Speaker 1: child will be forced into?
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  Speaker 4: I think they have both. thing, merch, and then at
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  Speaker 4: some stage they're going to just gravitate towards one or
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  Speaker 4: the other. I don't think you can force them into
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  Speaker 4: it because I know that's how a lot of AFL
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  Speaker 4: people get their club because they've been drilled into it
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  Speaker 4: since they were kids. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Which is fine if your family... all go for the
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  Speaker 3: same club, but when there's a difference, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, aside from the baby, how are these relationships
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  Speaker 4: working anyway?
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  Speaker 1: If they go for different clubs, it's interesting, isn't it? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I believe for some people that they can watch sport
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  Speaker 1: without getting abusive to their partner. So who knew? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a good example there. Although, see, we've got a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a debate here at the moment because
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  Speaker 1: I've said here on this podcast a number of times,
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  Speaker 1: as everyone knows, I have been a very dedicated Swifts
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  Speaker 1: fan for a long time. And in the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years, I've also taken a Giants membership because I
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  Speaker 1: want to support. And I'm going to have next year
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  Speaker 1: as my primary team, the Sirens, because I think that, yep,
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  Speaker 1: that's my primary team. I think if we want the
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  Speaker 1: game to grow, we've got to get behind it. I
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  Speaker 1: think that at a time when it's a first season
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  Speaker 1: for a new club is the most vulnerable. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: all in. The Swifts will still be very close to
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  Speaker 1: my heart. But my daughter is going, well, Paige is
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  Speaker 1: still with the Swifts. I'm still with the Swifts. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, all right.
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  Speaker 4: So Paige wasn't there. She'd be tempted to jump ship.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I had heard a rumour Paige was going to
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  Speaker 1: Sirens earlier on, so I said, honey, it's all right,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to the Sirens. But that was– like many
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  Speaker 1: of the rumours, that was wrong. But, yeah, so we
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  Speaker 1: will have– we will be a multi-club household next year
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  Speaker 1: and I think that just means we'll go to more games.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Well, do you think– You talk about people following players.
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  Speaker 4: There's been a lot of player movement. How many people
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  Speaker 4: are changing teams in your socks, Susan, I wonder? That'll
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  Speaker 4: be interesting to see when it all comes out in
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  Speaker 4: the wash.
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  Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of heat and emotion.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the Swifts have had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people who are saying that they're going because they don't
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  Speaker 1: like some of the decisions, the decisions around Bryony and
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  Speaker 1: some of the other on-court decisions. I suspect people will
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  Speaker 1: calm down over time and I suspect that I suspect
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  Speaker 1: there will be fewer fan movements as a result of
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  Speaker 1: player movements or coaching movements than people initially think in
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  Speaker 1: the moment. I reckon it's wonderful that people feel so
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  Speaker 1: passionately about it, but it is something that inevitably you do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the hurt of losing a grand final diminishes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all of this stuff. It's important to us.
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  Speaker 1: We're passionate, but I I think people will stick with
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  Speaker 1: their club. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So if you get back to your original question, I
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  Speaker 3: think the wisest thing to do is let your child decide.
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  Speaker 3: So let them decide when they're old enough. But what
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  Speaker 3: you do in the background is subtly....
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  Speaker 1: Just rinse the other team.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 3: Just take the mickey out of your partner's team and
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  Speaker 3: suddenly talk about how good your team was. So in
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  Speaker 3: our household, I cheer for Penrith in the NRL and
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  Speaker 3: my children grew up in the year where Penrith won everything.
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  Speaker 3: So that was an argument that I won.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. That's an easy one, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: It's an easy one. But I mean, they wouldn't know
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  Speaker 3: the first thing about Penrith, the actual place.
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  Speaker 4: They don't care as long as they're winning.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We have– Pete and I are from different states. So
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  Speaker 1: for rugby league state of origin, I'll never live in
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  Speaker 1: Queensland again. I love Sydney. But, you know, it's your
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: state of origin. When I was born in New Zealand,
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  Speaker 1: so it's all relevant. But, you know, you choose with
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  Speaker 1: your heart and you can't be changing it. But so
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: when Dot was little, I taught her to go and
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  Speaker 1: say to Pete, Paul Gallen, he's a grub.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: See you.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got a few answers there, Dribblers. If you've
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  Speaker 1: got any thoughts there, do let us know. But let's
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  Speaker 1: take a little break and then come back and talk
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  Speaker 1: about some nipple.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I did say that I am going to be primarily
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  Speaker 1: a Sirens fan this year, but I'm wearing, proudly wearing
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  Speaker 1: my New South Wales Swifts shirt. And I was on
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so something that has been talked about a lot
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  Speaker 1: in particularly the Facebook group and I know in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of netball chat groups around is internationals. Do we
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  Speaker 1: have too many? And I love reading a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff that comes up from some of our dribblers
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  Speaker 1: and we have enormous expertise in the group. And someone
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  Speaker 1: pointed out the other day that in Super Netball for
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  Speaker 1: next year, we will have all 12 Australians who won
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  Speaker 1: the gold medal at the Commonwealth Games. They've all got
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  Speaker 1: Super Netball contracts. Well, assuming they're not injured, they've all
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  Speaker 1: come back with contracts. We will have 10 out of
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  Speaker 1: the 12 Kiwis who won the gold, and we will
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  Speaker 1: have five out of the 12 Jamaicans who won the silver.
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  Speaker 1: That is, by any stretch of the imagination, going to
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  Speaker 1: be sensational netball to watch. Now, I recognise that there
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  Speaker 1: are concerns about the number of internationals coming in and
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  Speaker 1: the number of jobs there are for Australian netballers. And
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  Speaker 1: we have seen a number who have not come up
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  Speaker 1: with a contract. And we talked on Wednesday about We
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  Speaker 1: need more teams, definitely need that. But I thought this
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  Speaker 1: was really interesting on the internationals thing, and you know
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  Speaker 1: that I've been advocating for this, that I was originally
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  Speaker 1: advocating for a limit, and then I went, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's good. So I'm a massive fence-sitter. But
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: thanks to Leanne McLaughlin, I thought this was really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: The members of the under-21 side, so the Australian under-21
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  Speaker 1: side who won gold at the Netball Youth World Cup
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  Speaker 1: in September of 2025, so just on 12 months ago–
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Gordie was there. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Some great episodes from Gordie. Go back into the archives there.
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  Speaker 1: So the members of them who have super netball contracts
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  Speaker 1: in 2027, Olivia Wilkinson, Lily Graham, Kayla Graham, Grace White,
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  Speaker 1: Hope White, Sophie Casey, Lucy Voivodich, Tabitha Parker, Charlotte Sexton
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  Speaker 1: was an 11th player last year, and others have been
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  Speaker 1: training partners. Like that is almost all of those players
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  Speaker 1: are now in a Super Netball contracted position. And for context,
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  Speaker 1: members of the last Netball Youth World Cup team who
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  Speaker 1: won silver in 2017, there was no comp in 2021
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  Speaker 1: because of COVID, Matilda Garrett, Jess Anstis, Kira Austin, Kate Eddy,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Sasha Glasgow, Tara Hinchcliffe, Claire O'Brien, Tegan O'Shaughnessy, Alice Teague-Neild,
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Price. And Also people who had.
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  Speaker 2: Only one silver?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And there was also Hannah Petty and Emma Wright who
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  Speaker 1: have both retired. So I think that, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you look at what happened with that 2017 team and
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  Speaker 1: how much those players have dominated Super Netball, we've got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of reason to be optimistic about the pathways
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  Speaker 1: for our young people in Super Netball when you look
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  Speaker 1: at that international team there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's interesting, right? There are only 80 contracts, which,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you compare it to the AFLW, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot more opportunities available. And of the 80 contracts,
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  Speaker 3: I haven't done my sums, unfortunately. I couldn't tell you
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  Speaker 3: how many are held by Australian players and how many aren't.
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  Speaker 3: I think the diamonds will be okay, right? Because the
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  Speaker 3: upside for our Australian players is that week in, week out,
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  Speaker 3: they are playing against the best players in the world.
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  Speaker 3: So when they turn up to a World Cup, for example,
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  Speaker 3: it's not a surprise. I know exactly who they're playing against.
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  Speaker 3: So they should be able to, you know, have a
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  Speaker 3: game plan to suit and know what works and know
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  Speaker 3: what doesn't. The hard thing is, is for those, the
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  Speaker 3: junior players and how we make sure there's space for
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  Speaker 3: them to step up. So I don't know what the
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: answer is yet. And, but let me assure everybody that
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  Speaker 3: this is something that sits in my mind that in,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the mind of the leaders across the sport
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  Speaker 3: is to how do we make sure those younger players
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  Speaker 3: have somewhere to go? And is it, you know, making
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: sure that we keep investing into Super Netball Reserve so
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: that those players are ready to go anytime there's an opportunity. Again,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: is it, you know, how can we grow the competition
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: to have more teams, which, you know, takes up a
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: lot of thinking time as well. But I do feel
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: very grateful that we can, you know, for 20 weeks
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: of the year almost, we get to watch the best
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: players in the world. And the stories that come with them, right?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: It's so rich and so great for us to hear
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: And as we've said a thousand times, how great is
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: this World Cup going to be, as the Commonwealth Games
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: just was, because we knew so many of these athletes.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: It gives it so much more of an interest going forward,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: doesn't it? In this Constellation Cup coming up, I can't wait.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: I can't wait for that either.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: And even better is the event the night before. Oh,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: no doubt. Get your tickets.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: This Constellation Cup is always a cracker regardless of what's
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: happening in each country. New Zealand had no right to
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: be competitive in it last year and it went down
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: to that extra time part of going.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: But it was insane. Yeah. But now Commonwealth Games gold
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: medalists and spent, you know, so many more players spending
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: a year in the Suncorp Super Netball. It's going to
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: be a fracking series which I cannot wait for. But
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: you're right. Pre-Constellation.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Come and hang out with us the night before. Something
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: else that came up in the Facebook group, and I
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't intending to talk about this so I don't have
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the notes, but it was one of our great blokes
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: had raised this one. And I'm interested in what you
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: two think about this. So if you look, who's the
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: best shooter in the world? Janil Fowler-Naman. Who's the best goalkeeper,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: goal defence in the world?
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Shamira. Shamira.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the point that he was making was that
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: we don't have a diamond as the best player in
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: probably any position across the court at the moment. Does
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: that matter? Like I would... And obviously you can argue
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that point. There are seven positions.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm prepared to argue it.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got five of them.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: If you accept that proposition, does it matter? You know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I look at Lightning and go, well, again, what we've
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: seen for a few years now is that on paper
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: they should be the best, but for whatever reason it
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: hasn't translated into that. So I don't think you need
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to have the best team, not the best players, right?
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Honestly, I think we've got five of them. Of those seven.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Best players being Australian players anyway. But the difference is
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: that layer underneath that seven. We've got the best bench.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Because as far as I'm concerned, there isn't a bench.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: They are all so good that any team that's put
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: on that court can do the job. I mean, don't
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: all come at me now, oh, you didn't do it
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: at the Commonwealth Games. I realise that. But what I'm
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: saying is I think there's a big difference between the
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: rest of the world and their seven with them bench
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: that Australia holds the other hand.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: No, I think you're right. I do think it's interesting, though,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: like if you look back at Shamira, when she first
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: came into the competition, she was– awesome in the air,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: but she used to get beaten so often on the
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: baseline with the baseline movement because she hadn't ever had
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: to train anything different. And then, and I used to
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: look at her and think she was amazingly talented, but
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: when things didn't go right earlier in a game, she
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: was young, she was inexperienced and she'd drop a bundle
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: a bit and not get it back. She's a completely
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: different player now. She can get her butt kicked early.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: It doesn't happen very often. But then picks everything up
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: and readjusts and can be dominant by the end of
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: the game. And so it's not just that physical ability, right?
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: It's the mental ability to work your way through a
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: game and to figure out on the run as you go.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: And so I think that's what, you know, players like her.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: just improve so much through the course of super netball
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: and then you see them take that on to the
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: international stage which makes it far more interesting a bit
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: more devastating sometimes when you're an Australian fan or you
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: know we've also seen New Zealand you know lose games
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: at the hands of an improved Jamaica or an improved
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: England so it's But, you know, that's what you watch
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: sport for. If your team was always going to win, like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: it's not as exciting. The excitement is in the fact
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that you don't know the outcome. But, you know, I
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: look at how players have developed since they turned up here.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Shemona Nelson's another one, you know.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, yeah.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: She's just improved so much.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: And her hands now are so safe.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: You can say the same for Selby Rickett within one season.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I reckon the first half of the season I was thinking, yeah,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: she's not it. By the second half of that season,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: they rightly signed her up again for 2027.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But I also think Mary Chollock at the beginning of
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: this season of Super Netball, you could see her getting
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: pissed off and then it would affect her performance. But
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: then by the back half of the season, She'd obviously
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: done the work to go, I can't let, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I've got to be more calm or, you know, less
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: pissed off in the moment or whatever it is. And
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I think she did the same across the season. We
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: saw her go, I've got the skills. What's letting me
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: down here is something up here.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? And I think one of
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: the things to watch next year is for players who
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: are new to the competition from elsewhere, from other countries,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: how they deal with like the step up in physicality,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: not just of the game, but of the training. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: so I think we saw a few, a few players
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: this year end up with soft tissue injuries. Some of
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the New Zealanders, because it's completely different because of the
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: training load and the intensity.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: So I think that'll be really interesting to watch as well,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: to see who copes with that, that intensity and who doesn't.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Hmm. And whose fitness got stronger? Oh, anyway, we are
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: in for a hell of a season. All right, that's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: all we've got time for on our netball segment. We're
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: going to have a little break and then come back.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I've got to ask the goat that I'm going to
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: put to both of you. Okay, I have sat on
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: this one for a couple of weeks accidentally because I
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: lost the message, but I have an Ask the Goat
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and what I haven't done is print out who sent
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: me this Ask the Goat. So it's an Ask the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Goat and thank you and you'll know who it is. Okay.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for some advice from other netball parents because
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I'm really torn about whether to let my daughter trial
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: for reps. My daughter Grace is 11 turning 12 and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: is good at netball. She plays in a team that
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: literally never loses. They were so dominant that, so if
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: anyone was wondering whether this is the team that I coach, no,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: it definitely was not. They were so dominant, they moved
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: up an age group and still undefeated. Now time to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: decide whether she trials for the association rep team. But
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the commitment the association is asking for is huge. And
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I reckon immediately you're going, yeah, this is familiar. Like
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I think this is something that happens for a lot
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: of associations. We're looking at an outlay of around $ 3, 000,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: possibly more. State age would mean her staying in a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: hotel room without me during the three-day carnival. She wouldn't
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: be allowed to talk to me. In the lead up,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: there can be training up to three days a week
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: with one training location around a 30-minute drive from our house.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: The attendant requirements also worry me. If she misses out
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: two training sessions, she can be removed from the team
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and potentially face a two-year ban.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: We've also been told that if she trials, is selected
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and then declines a position, she can face a two-year ban.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: So I can't simply let her trial and make the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: decision afterwards. She starts high school next year and has
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: been accepted into an academic program as well as an
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Austag program. She absolutely loves netball and I don't want
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to hold her back. My biggest fear is that if
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I don't let her do reps, she'll miss out on
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the extra expert coaching and higher level competition and start
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: getting left behind by the girls who do. At the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: same time, our association isn't one of the stronger winning
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: associations at junior state age. So I'm questioning whether this
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: level of financial family commitment is really necessary for development
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: at her age.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Not so much.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I would go to another association first and foremost because
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: that sounds a little.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: A bit onerous?
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: That sounds a lot.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: And to be banning kids and stuff, I.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Just, I mean.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Also, the other thing is we're having this same conversation
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: because my daughter's at that age where they... can trial
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: now for their first rep. So that happened this year.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: It's an extended development squad. And a lot of people,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: parents are freaking out about it a bit. And I'm saying,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: don't stress it out this. This seems like a ginormous
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: thing right now in their world. But how many players,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Liz Ellis, do you know that have gone on to
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: play at the highest level that didn't even play reps
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: till they were 15 or 16 or didn't get identified
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: till later in life. I get, I get the enormity
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: of what it feels like right now, but if this,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: if this kid is good enough, she will find a
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: way to get there.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: This isn't the.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Be all and end all of, of junior netball. And I,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: and I think that that sounds a lot. Three training
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: sessions is a lot. I know our association does one
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: and there's sporadic carnivals around that. Um, And certainly to
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: be banning a child, I think, is a little harsh
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: if they're missing sessions. Anyway, that's my input.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it, right? So there's a couple
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: of things. I think if they're threatening people with being banned,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: there might be a reason, right? And I think it
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: might be worthwhile going and have a conversation with the
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: rep convener to say... this seems a bit harsh for me.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: And they might be able to tell you what the
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: reason was. Maybe something happened a few years ago and
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: someone took the mickey and this is their way of going, well,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: we don't want to be left in the lurch, right?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Well, generally this is the thing. A rule gets made
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: up because it's necessary, you know. Yeah, right. The toilet's
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: at work, someone has to put a sign on the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: back of the door saying, please wipe up your skid
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: marks because someone hasn't been. You know, it's like it's.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Not– Right.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: So, look, I think I would say to you, go
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: and have a conversation– with the association to say, I'm
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: just trying to understand how likely this is to happen
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: because these are the things that we're weighing up. Cost
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: is a real issue. And I live, because we live
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: in the country, there's always a significant cost to going
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to state age. And I always look at the costs
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: and go, I feel fortunate that we can afford it,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: but I also feel sad. And a few years ago,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: we sort of set up a bit of a fund,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: a balance for kids who couldn't afford it because you
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: don't want kids to miss out. But you need someone
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: at your association driving that. In terms of the bit
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: about staying in a motel without you, I'm going to
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: say that is a great thing for your kin.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: So for my girl, I know that, like, it's really
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: hard to let them go the first time because you're like, oh,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: what do they do without me? And it turns out
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: they have fun without you, which, you know, hurts you hard. Oh,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think that should be a cause for concern
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: because that's, to me, like that's part of the fun
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: of reps, right? Yeah. You know, being in a room and,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: you know, just being with your mates and I think
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: that's just so cool. So there's so much to be
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: gained from playing state age because your girl will find
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: out what she can do by finding out what she
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: can't do yet and I think that's so character building.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I think that the concerns around, I feel like, I
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: know we're speaking on a term, but I feel like
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: three training sessions a week is a lot. And I
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: know that some associations, you know, demand full sort of
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: fealty to whatever gets put out there. But I think
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: if you went to them and said, look, we can
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: commit to this and this, is it worthwhile? They'll have
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the conversation with you. And if they don't, then I
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: refer to Catherine's initial comment was, maybe look at another
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: association because that just seems like a lot. But I
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: can't tell you how good state age is. And You know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: it's really interesting, right? You go to South Asia and
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: it happens every year. Sunday afternoon is cry time. So,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: and like I even know with my girl, who's a
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: really tough cookie, Sunday afternoon she gets really emotional because
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: they're so tired. They've given us everything. So tired, yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And then they've got to go for one more day
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: tomorrow and they know that's coming at them. But it's
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: so character building. It's so good for them. They come
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: out and they learn so much about themselves that if
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: you can afford it and if you can commit to it,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: then I would say do it. But I think... Some
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: of the things in this situation probably warrant more of
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: a conversation with the association.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, thereby.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: The other thing too is just even around the trials,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of people are worried their kid won't make it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I would always say, try it though. This is life.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you know what? I often get emails
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: or messages online, you know, my daughter didn't make it,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: what can I tell her? And I always say, tell
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: her to be really honest about why she didn't make it,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: what she didn't do. did she not do a summer training?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Did she not commit? Did she not turn up ready?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Then go back and do that for next year. Absolutely
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: try next year. That won't guarantee that she'll get in,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: but it will guarantee that she will learn from the
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: whole experience, right? She'll learn how to prepare, how to
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: give it her all, how to deal with disappointment. So
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I would say a hundred percent, if you're not sure,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: just turn up. It's a learning process. I mean, I
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: didn't get selected in one of the rep teams when
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I was a kid and I've never let those selectors
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: forget them. But it also taught me.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: We set up a podcast just so Liz could process
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that trauma and make sure that we never forget it. But,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you know, most teams at state age don't win. That's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the point too, isn't it? Like it's the biggest comp
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: they're going to play in in that age group. So
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I would say, you know, playing state age and coming
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: last is still a fantastic experience. Like it's just, it's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: such a fabulous carnival experience.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I always though, going back to Julie Fitzgerald and just
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: her always saying, you can't just be netball.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: You have to be well-rounded.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: There's too much pressure on if it's just netball and
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: you need to be able to bring different assets to
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: parts of your life into this and you've also got
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: to be able to have those outlets. And this is
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: very similar, you know, asking a kid that's 12 years
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: old to be only doing netball. Yeah. I think he's
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: asking for trouble anyway.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Well, that was from Lisa. I won't say Lisa's surname
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: because she's going to have some conversations with her association,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: but I did look it up while you were talking.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So thank you, Lisa. Thanks for that ask the goat.
• 30:19
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  Speaker 4: Bye.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: 10 out of 10 would recommend.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: I will piss myself if we hear a story of
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: her running out of car battery.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: And we will. She has not even managed one day
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: without nearly running out of battery with this thing. But
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: did you see how smug she is sitting there talking about, oh,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the sunshine fuels my car. It's like, They're bloody farmers, right?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: They've got diesel everywhere.