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Quiet Riot: Rise, Fall, and Resurrection [Episode 258] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: We're totally boomed rock and roll.
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  Speaker 3: You're reading Little Hands says it's time to rock and roll.
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  Speaker 1: Roll up, I totally booked. Welcome to book don Rock
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  Speaker 1: the podcast for those about to read and rock. Americ Senich.
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  Speaker 1: making his return to the Booked on Rock podcast. His
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  Speaker 1: latest book is Bang Your Head, Feel the Noise. The
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  Speaker 1: Quiet Riot Story comprise of quotes from interviews past and
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  Speaker 1: present and featuring many rare vintage photos. Greg examines all
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  Speaker 1: eras of the band their seventies period, which featured guitar
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  Speaker 1: legend Randy Rhodes in their lineup, through the blockbuster metal
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  Speaker 1: health period of the early eighties, and all the way
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  Speaker 1: to the modern day version of the group. A playlist
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  Speaker 1: of Quiet Riot can be found in the show notes.
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  Speaker 2: Greg, welcome back, Eric, Hello, how are you?
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  Speaker 1: It's good to have you back again.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, have I set a record for
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  Speaker 3: most appearances by a single gentleman on the show or
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  Speaker 3: not quite yet.
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  Speaker 1: You and Martin pop off back and neck, but I
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  Speaker 1: think you might. I have to add up. I have
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  Speaker 1: to tally up the totals, but this is probably what
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  Speaker 1: the maybe fifth, sixth, maybe even.
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  Speaker 2: Fifth or six something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, last time we had you on was for
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  Speaker 1: the Zeppelin book. Yes, what'd you say? Did you see
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  Speaker 1: the movie the documentary yet?
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  Speaker 3: I have not seen it yet, but I I'm friends
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  Speaker 3: with people who've seen it, and it's so far very
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  Speaker 3: positive feedback I've heard.
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  Speaker 1: So myself, really good. It focuses on the beginning part
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  Speaker 1: right up through when they're making Zeppelin two, and then
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  Speaker 1: it ends there. So really good. So here we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Quiet Riot, and this book includes quotes from interviews
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  Speaker 1: both past and present. Who wol fans hear from in
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  Speaker 1: this book.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was lucky to have interviewed numerous time over
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  Speaker 3: the years Rudy Sarzo, who we all know is the
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  Speaker 3: longtime bass player of Quiet Riot, and also the late
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  Speaker 3: great Frankie Binali, the drummer of Quiet Riot. I interviewed
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  Speaker 3: several times, funny enough for my book called Bonzo that
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  Speaker 3: came out a few years back where I interviewed thirty
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  Speaker 3: standout rock drummers and they all talked about John Bonham
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  Speaker 3: and what he meant to them and also his influence
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  Speaker 3: what made him probably the greatest rock drummer of all time.
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  Speaker 3: So I interviewed him a bunch of times. So I
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  Speaker 3: had those two interviews. I covered a wide variety of
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  Speaker 3: topics with both of them over the years, so I
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  Speaker 3: was able to use a lot of those quotes in
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  Speaker 3: this book.
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  Speaker 2: But as far as.
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  Speaker 3: Original interviews, I interviewed Kelly Garney, who was the original
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  Speaker 3: Quiet Riot Bassis who played on the two albums in
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  Speaker 3: the seventies with the great Randy Rhodes on guitar. And
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  Speaker 3: I also interviewed a gentleman named Greg Leon who people
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  Speaker 3: may know from the Greg Leon Invasion from the eighties.
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  Speaker 3: He was a member of the band Dubreu, which after
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  Speaker 3: Andy Rhoades left Quiet Riot to join Ozzy Quiet Riot
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  Speaker 3: then was known as Dubrou obviously after Kevin Debrow for
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  Speaker 3: like one or two years. So Greg Leon was the
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  Speaker 3: guitarist in Debro before leaving to join Dokin and then
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  Speaker 3: launching the Greg Leon Invasion. And I also induded Richard Christie,
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  Speaker 3: who we all know from the Howard Stern Show and
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  Speaker 3: he's a huge Frankie Banali fan and also a Quiet
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  Speaker 3: Riot fan, so he had some very interesting things to say,
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  Speaker 3: as well as Ron Keel, singer from Keel. He was
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  Speaker 3: very close friends with Kevin Debro and Keel, which I
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  Speaker 3: didn't even know. This opened for Quiet Riot on the
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  Speaker 3: QR three tour, so that was pretty good to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Piercy I spoke to you from Ratt. He had
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  Speaker 3: some interesting things to say. Bumblefoot had some Bumblefoot What's
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  Speaker 3: funny enough You would think that he is just a
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  Speaker 3: Randy Rhodes guy, but he praised Carlos Cavazzo.
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  Speaker 2: He hit the nail right in the head.
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  Speaker 3: When you think of Quiet Riot, the only Quiet Right
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  Speaker 3: that we're ever going to really know the material of
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  Speaker 3: and that instantly pops in your mind is the Carlos
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  Speaker 3: Cavazo Quiet Right.
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  Speaker 2: Not the Randy Rhodes Quiet Riot.
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  Speaker 3: If you think about like he came up with the
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  Speaker 3: Metal Health banger Head riff, which to me is one
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  Speaker 3: of the greatest metal riffs of all time. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a great, great riff, and his solos are my
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  Speaker 3: favorite type of solo. We probably discussed this on one of
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  Speaker 3: my past appearances. I love when guitarists play solos that
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  Speaker 3: you could sing the melody to, whether it's Brian may,
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  Speaker 3: Ace Freheley, David Gilmour, of course, the great Eddie van Halen,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, Carlos Cavazo. The Metal Health album is chock
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  Speaker 3: full of great guitar leads and riffs and everything. So
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  Speaker 3: and also Don Jamison I interviewed, that's right, of course
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  Speaker 3: from that Metal show. So yes, so I may bee
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  Speaker 3: not thinking of one or two people, but that right there,
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  Speaker 3: or that's the meat of the interviews.
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  Speaker 1: You could say you cover all airs. I discovered the band,
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  Speaker 1: I think like you did. I was round eleven when
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  Speaker 1: Metal Health came o. Come On for the Noise was huge,
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  Speaker 1: Come On Field the Noise was big. Metal Healthy on
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  Speaker 1: was big, and they were number one, the first ever
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  Speaker 1: heavy metal album to hit number one on Billboard, which
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  Speaker 1: was huge still is to this day. That's just a
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  Speaker 1: great landmark moment for metal, not just for the band,
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  Speaker 1: but by the end of the decade, they're forgotten. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start with the beginning, which goes all the way back
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  Speaker 1: to the early to the mid seventies, which I didn't realize.
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  Speaker 1: How does quiet riot form? And also can you talk
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  Speaker 1: about the differing stories regarding how Kevin debrou got the
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  Speaker 1: gig because he says it was in some chemistry, but
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  Speaker 1: the original bassist, Kelly Garney, says, it wasn't that instant right.
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  Speaker 3: What happened was Kelly Garney and Randy Rhodes lived very
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  Speaker 3: close to each other. I think maybe like one block
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  Speaker 3: away from each other. They first met in school, became
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  Speaker 3: very good friends, and then they both realized they like
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  Speaker 3: rock music. So Randy of course had a background in
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  Speaker 3: music because his mother owned a music school called Musonia,
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  Speaker 3: So Kelly picked up the bass. They both began playing
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  Speaker 3: together and also started playing in bands in the Los
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  Speaker 3: Angeles area. Then Kelly talks about in the book that
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  Speaker 3: he just happened to overhear a phone conversation a mutual
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  Speaker 3: acquaintance talking about a singer she knew, and it turned
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  Speaker 3: out to be Kevin, So he got phone number called Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: They arranged a tryout.
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  Speaker 3: And they met together. Kelly says it was a Kevin's
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  Speaker 3: house and they were not impressed with what they saw
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  Speaker 3: or heard, but they still exchanged numbers. And supposedly Kevin
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  Speaker 3: convinced Randy to give him another try. They met up again,
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  Speaker 3: and then one thing led to another, and although they
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  Speaker 3: still weren't that impressed with him, I guess they were
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  Speaker 3: impressed with his drive to be a singer and to
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  Speaker 3: take everything seriously. So they stuck with him, and they
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  Speaker 3: were pretty honest with him, saying, look, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: have to find your own voice. Because Kevin Debrou's favorite
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  Speaker 3: singers were Steve Marriott from the band Humble Pie. He
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  Speaker 3: also loved Early Queen, which I didn't know until doing
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  Speaker 3: interviews for the book. They was a big Freddie Mercury fan,
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  Speaker 3: and he also liked Rod Stewart from the Faces era.
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  Speaker 3: And also Kelly says, to Kevin's credit, he did get
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  Speaker 3: better as a singer. He was able to find his
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  Speaker 3: own style, his own singing approach, which is true if
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  Speaker 3: you listened to Kevin Debreux. Of course, he's not technically
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  Speaker 3: as brilliant as say Rob Halford to Ronnie James Dio,
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  Speaker 3: but you hear five seconds of Kevin Debroun, you know
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  Speaker 3: you know exactly who it is, and that to me
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  Speaker 3: is like my personal favorite. Those are some of my
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  Speaker 3: favorite singers like Paul stan Lee, Alice Cooper, Joey Ramon.
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  Speaker 2: David Lee Roth.
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  Speaker 3: Of course you hear just a little bit of their singing,
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  Speaker 3: and you know who it is. That was Kelly's side.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, something else I've forgot to say. I was
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  Speaker 3: able to get access to a lot of classic interviews
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  Speaker 3: from Krang magazine, Circus and also Hit Parader, so I
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  Speaker 3: was able to get a lot of quotes from the past.
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  Speaker 3: So I have Kevin speaking throughout the whole book, Carlos Cavazo,
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  Speaker 3: Randy Rhoades, so even people I couldn't speak to, they're
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  Speaker 3: featured throughout the book, and it's also them telling the story.
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  Speaker 3: But Kevin's side of the story was that they got
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  Speaker 3: together and actually jammed. I believe in a garage or
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  Speaker 3: something like that. It may have been at Randy's house.
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  Speaker 3: I forget exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a Vin's house.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it was.
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  Speaker 1: A Kevin's and Kevin's.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, But Kelly says that they made it a
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  Speaker 3: point to ever actually jam when they met someone, just
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  Speaker 3: in case if they were a wacko or they didn't
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  Speaker 3: hit it off, they could have just gotten the hell
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  Speaker 3: out of there, which actually makes sense. Yeah, so that's
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  Speaker 3: Kelly's side, But Kevin claims that there was music involved.
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  Speaker 1: So and of course eventually, yeah, he wins them aways
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  Speaker 1: in the band. So we have Kevin Debrun lead vocals,
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  Speaker 1: Randy Rhad's lead guitar, Kelly Garney on bass, Drew Forsyth
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  Speaker 1: on drums. So Kelly said that Randy's family didn't like
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  Speaker 1: Kevin at all. They tolerated Kelly, but they weren't big
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  Speaker 1: fans of him either. It appears from reading quotes from
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  Speaker 1: Kelly in the book that really was over Randy's public image.
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  Speaker 1: Randy wasn't partying hard with the rest of the band,
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  Speaker 1: but Kevin would say otherwise. I also wonder if it's
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  Speaker 1: that they blamed Kevin for maybe turning their son onto
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  Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol. What are your thoughts on that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it was that.
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  Speaker 3: Kelly claims that when they first met Kevin, he was
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  Speaker 3: not doing drugs and was not drinking. That happened later
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  Speaker 3: and something that I learned that I didn't know after
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  Speaker 3: Randy sadly or Randy tragically passed away in eighty two,
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  Speaker 3: as we all know from the plane crash. When you
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  Speaker 3: would read interviews or articles about Randy, he was painted
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  Speaker 3: in a very angelic kind of state. You know, he
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  Speaker 3: was a teetotaler, he only practiced guitar, you know, he
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  Speaker 3: didn't party and everything like that. But Ryan Deybude Kelly
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  Speaker 3: for the book, he said, no, that's not an accurate
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  Speaker 3: you know thing. I mean, granted, he wasn't like a
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  Speaker 3: drug addict or anything like that, but just like most
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  Speaker 3: other people his age in the late seventies early eighties,
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  Speaker 3: he had a good time and partied.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with that, you know, So he would blame him, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But what was it? Maybe that the mom just didn't
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying was trying to figure out where she came from.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to say because what I mentioned
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  Speaker 3: in the book too, I mean, so maybe that is true.
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  Speaker 3: But then by the other side of the coin, there's
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  Speaker 3: photos that are available on the Internet of Randy Rhodes's
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  Speaker 3: funeral and the pallbearers are Rudy Sarzo, Tommy Aldridge, Ozzy
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  Speaker 3: Osbourne and also Kevin Debreu. So obviously the family, you know,
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  Speaker 3: at some point maybe made peace with him, or at
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  Speaker 3: at least they could realize that he was an important
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  Speaker 3: person in you know, Randy's life or something. I guess
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  Speaker 3: you could make up your own mind with that as well.
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  Speaker 1: He talked to people who saw Quiet Riot perform in
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  Speaker 1: those early days. One quote is from future Quiet Riot
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  Speaker 1: guitars Greg Leon, who saw Quiet Riote open for Van Halen. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: those two were the biggest bands on the Sunset Strip.
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  Speaker 1: Van Halen signs the major record deal with Warner Brothers
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  Speaker 1: in seventy seven, but Quiet Riot got passed over for
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  Speaker 1: the Knack. Their first two albums released in Japan. Only
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  Speaker 1: from what I gather from reading the book, they weren't so,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't so good, and it wasn't they aren't very
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  Speaker 1: particularly Yeah, it wasn't Randy's fault necessarily.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was just pretty much it was a case
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  Speaker 3: of a young band doing what the record label or
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  Speaker 3: a producer or a manager is telling them to do.
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  Speaker 2: When I interviewed.
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  Speaker 3: Kelly, he talked about how the thing with Van Hall
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  Speaker 3: and he thinks that no one ever told van Halen
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  Speaker 3: like you have, you know, David Lee Roth, start wearing
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  Speaker 3: Spandex or start wearing Butler's.
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  Speaker 1: Checks, yeah, or you know which, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Right, you know, and like no one was like, oh, Eddie,
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  Speaker 3: you know, start you know, tapping, you know, or start
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  Speaker 3: hinting your guitar with stripes. Everything was just done organically
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  Speaker 3: with Van Halen, and I can see his point because
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  Speaker 3: I think if if quiet right, the thing is quiet right.
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  Speaker 2: With Metal Health.
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  Speaker 3: To me, my theory is that's a band doing what
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  Speaker 3: they wanted to do with their heart was telling them
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  Speaker 3: to do. It's and it's it's also very focused, sound,
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  Speaker 3: very the songwriting is much much better. Kevin is a
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  Speaker 3: much better singer at that point. So my theory is
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  Speaker 3: I think that Kevin used those two I mean, of
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  Speaker 3: course you'd know this at the time, but he used
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  Speaker 3: those two albums as kind of like a building block
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  Speaker 3: and alsot like a learning curve. And to his credit,
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  Speaker 3: he did not repeat that same mistake or mistakes with
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  Speaker 3: Metal Health. He totally fine tuned everything. He knew what
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  Speaker 3: he was after he knew what it took it the
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  Speaker 3: point to hit it big, and of course it paid
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  Speaker 3: off with that Metal Health album.
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  Speaker 1: How about in Circus Magazine you mentioned in the book
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  Speaker 1: that in nineteen eighty three, Quiet Riot, I think they
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  Speaker 1: won what the best new band of the year. People
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  Speaker 1: thought they were new.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they thought.
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  Speaker 1: They were brand new that even though they had two
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  Speaker 1: albums before.
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  Speaker 2: That, exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And then what's funny is that I think they were
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  Speaker 3: best new band, and then they were also number one.
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  Speaker 3: I think they were number two Comeback of the Year.
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  Speaker 3: So it's totally mixed signals there that they're saying a
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  Speaker 3: new band, but then yeah, they also come back of
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  Speaker 3: the year book Rock podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be back after this, right, that's it. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be right outside those doors the next time I have
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  Speaker 1: to come in here. I'm cracking skulls. There were tensions
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  Speaker 1: within the band, especially around that second album. There's a
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  Speaker 1: crazy story involving a fight between Randy and Kelly over Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: They're not happy with Kevin, how he sounds, how he looks.
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  Speaker 1: Give us the story as to what was going on
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  Speaker 1: during that period in seventy eight. Things got pretty ugly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the band was very frustrated that they were
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  Speaker 3: putting out albums that were only released in Japan, and
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  Speaker 3: then they were also being told that they were going
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  Speaker 3: to be able to at least play in Japan, where
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  Speaker 3: they had it supposedly a pretty good following. So they're
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  Speaker 3: being told like, yeah, you know, pack your bags next week,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to open up for cheap trick, you know,
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  Speaker 3: or just whatever they're telling them, and it just never
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  Speaker 3: came to pass.
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  Speaker 2: They never went over there.
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  Speaker 3: But yet they're being told, they're being written about in
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  Speaker 3: the music magazines, they have a following, they're getting fan
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  Speaker 3: mail from Japan. So I think frustration led into it,
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  Speaker 3: and then also of course drinking, and then I believe
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  Speaker 3: at that point Kevin and Kelly didn't really see eye
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  Speaker 3: to eye and weren't really getting along.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I guess when you mix drugs, frustration and alcohol and
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  Speaker 3: a gun, yes, things aren't going to happen. Things aren't
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  Speaker 3: going to wind up very good at the end.
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  Speaker 1: The argument over Kevin, I'm trying to remember though, was
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  Speaker 1: it that who was blaming who for it because they
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  Speaker 1: both weren't happy with him?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what it was was Kelly wanted Kevin
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  Speaker 3: out of the band, and then I'm not I can't
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  Speaker 3: really recall exactly what the exact fight was about, but
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  Speaker 3: it was that Randy I think, went to Kelly's house.
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  Speaker 3: There was a confrontation where they actually fought, and before
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  Speaker 3: they fought, Kelly just.
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  Speaker 2: Pulled out a gun.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't point it at Randy, but he just shot
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  Speaker 3: like a warning shot at the ceiling. And usually when
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  Speaker 3: if I know, if someone ever did that to me,
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  Speaker 3: I'd run the hell out of the house very quickly.
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  Speaker 3: But Randy actually charged him and they got into a fight.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the gun wasn't used after that, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: then after that they split and Kelly then claims he
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  Speaker 3: got in his he was very drunk. He got in
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  Speaker 3: his car because he wanted to confront Kevin, who was
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  Speaker 3: at a recording studio, But he luckily got pulled over
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  Speaker 3: by cops and was arrested for d WI so that
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  Speaker 3: confrontation between him and Kevin never took place.
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  Speaker 2: And then the.
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  Speaker 3: Happy end to the story is many years later, Kelly
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  Speaker 3: and Kevin became very good friends when they were both
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  Speaker 3: living in Las Vegas. Like Kelly would even house at
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  Speaker 3: Kevin's house and they I became friends.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the kind of stuff in the book
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  Speaker 1: that you get. And I knew nothing about this as
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  Speaker 1: far as quite.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I didn't know that. I'm going to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: I knew I mean, look, I'm gonna be honest. I
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  Speaker 3: was a huge quiet Riot fan in nineteen eighty three.
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  Speaker 3: I think most teenage are soon to be teenage kids
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  Speaker 3: were at that point.
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  Speaker 2: As the albums go on.
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  Speaker 3: And on by like the late eighties, I totally lost interest,
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  Speaker 3: which is funny enough, it seems like that happened with
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  Speaker 3: everybody because every album of Quiet Riot so.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Less and less and less.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: But going back and doing research for this book, like
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: each album has at least a few good songs, at
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: least the ones with Kevin Debro. There's when an album
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: which we may talk about that had Paul short Tino,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: which I'm just not a fan of it all. There's
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: an album like, for instance, in the nineties, I never
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: heard of Cold Well. I never heard the music called Terrified.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: I believe it's called and it came out in ninety three,
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: so that would have been like at that point, I
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: had nothing to do with Quiet Riot, like I was
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: all about Sound Garden and Faith No More and Blind
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Melon and all those bands. So but going back and
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: listening to it now, it's a very instant fired good
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: album and like, I hear that album now and all
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: I could think of if that album came out is
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: the follow up to Metal Health. Their popularity wouldn't have
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: dipped as much because we'll probably get to it later.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: The Condition Critical album was not a good album. It
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: just does not compare well to Metal Health at all.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: You're right. I put together the playlist for this episode
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: that gave me an opportunity to listen to these songs.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Which one is that with Stay with Me Tonight and
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the Joker?
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, that is the QR album That is with Paul Shortino.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's not the one you were just referring to.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: That would have been Is that the one that has
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Angry in the cover of Highway to Hell?
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: The one that I'm referring to is not even on Spotify.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, I noticed there were some that weren't.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's only I was only able to track
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: it down on YouTube.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: It's called Terrified.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: It came out in nineteen ninety three, and then the
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: albums after that, again it's like album by album gets
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: not as good, not as good.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Then.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: The last album released in Kevin's lifetime was an album
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: called Rehab, which again is them finding their focus and
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: it's a very very strong album. So the three best
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Quiet Right albums by far, Metal Health, Terrified, Rehab, those
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: are my top three picks.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: There's a story out there that there was this Randy
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Roase versus Edward Van Halen battle back in those days.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: So let's let's talk about that. Kelly told your story
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: about how Randy taught guitar and he would learn Van
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Halen licks for sessions. But beyond that, the consensus is
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: that he wasn't interested in copying ed in the studio
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: or on the stage. He had his own thing. Well,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: he had his own thing as well.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Let me actually let me actually ask you a question.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: There was a famous about two or three years ago,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: there was the famous YouTube clip of Eddie Van Halen
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: talking candidly about Randy Rhodes and Eddie. You know, of
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: course he's speaking not knowing that this clip was ever
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: going to be released publicly. He just thinks he's speaking
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: to the interviewer on a phone and the interview was
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: just going to take quotes to put in a magazine article.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: But he's saying how he was not it didn't sound
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: like he was that impressed with Randy Rhoads, and that
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: he thought he was just kind of like ripping Randy
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: was ripping him off. I'll be honest, I don't hear
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: any Eddie van Halen in Randy Rhads. The only thing
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I hear is the live Randy Rhoades solo on the
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: tribute album where he does a little bit of two
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: hand tapping.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: That's the only comparison.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Although Eddie Van Halen is probably one of my favorite
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: guitarists of all time, to the best of my knowledge,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: he never touched upon classical music on guitar, right or
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I mean no, I mean there.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Were influences in there a little bit, but not.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I mean like Randy, but I mean didn't pursue it
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: as much as Randy.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Roads correct, correct, Yeah, I mean I yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: So anyway, what I'm getting at is in the book
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: there's people, well there's a story how Eddie van Halen
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: would just you know, he just thought that pretty much.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Randy Rhodess was like copying him, which I just I
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: just don't see that.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But I don't see it either. I don't see. Yeah,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Edward had in the early going there when he was
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a kid, he was being taught classical, but yeah, he
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: left that behind. But there were elements of it in
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: his style a little bit. But here's something interesting. Kevin
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: dubro I was fortunate enough to interview him. It was
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a phone interview when he came through Connecticut and we
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: had him on the radio station that I was at
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to promote a show. I think they were touring with
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Poison and it was like a package store. And I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: remember asking him, what do you think Randy would have
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: done if if he lived? And he said, I think
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he would have done a classical album. Like he was
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: pretty convinced that that was a case because he said
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Randy would talk about it a lot, that was his thing.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I think there's a story that Randy was at a
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: show to check out Van Halen, and I was.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, there is a story
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: in my book. Actually, okay, yeah, Ellie that talks about
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Randy going to meet Eddie and goes backstage, which I'm
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: not going to tell a story because someone has to
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: buy this book.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Right People need to book here right there. It is.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: It's a cover. Quiet Riot one and two came out
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: in seventy eight. Not until nineteen eighty three do we
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: get the next album. But that's the breakthrough mental health. Yes,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: so a lot happens between seventy eight and eighty three.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Let's start with the departure of Randy Rhoades. It starts
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: with Randy auditioning for Ozzie He's got a new solo band.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Randy's mother, Delores, told a great story back in eighty
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: two about it, which you include in the book. Randy
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: didn't think much of it, but Delores encouraged him to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: go to the audition.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: That is correct that Randy, even during his life when
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: he would be interviewed, he was pretty honest saying that
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: he was never although he respected Black Sabbath, he was
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: never that big a fan of Black Sabbath. Randy was
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: more into Uriah Heap. He liked Mountain Leslie West was
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: a very big influence I learned from interview from speaking
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: to Kelly, I didn't know that he was a big
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: led Zeppelin fan. Randy was, in fact when they first
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: met Kevin that he said they were looking more for
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: like a Robert Plant type singer, and that's what kind
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: of turned them off at first with Kevin, because Kevin
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: was more of a shout kind of like some of
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: the other singers I mentioned earlier, such as Steve Marriott.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: So that's something that I went from doing the interviews.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Then he gets the gig. I think he got it
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: right away too. Gazzi instantly was like, yeah, this is
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: our guy.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: And Kevin Debrou said Randy would have been a fool
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to pass it up, but he cried for a week
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: when Randy told him he was leaving Quiet Right. He
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: was bumped. How do we end up with the lineup
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: on Metal Health? So we have Kevin Debrou on lead vocals,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Carlos Cavazo on lead, Rudy Sarzo as well he's in now,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and Frankie Bonelli on drums. If you could just kind
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: of put together the pieces there as to how that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: lineup comes together.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Well, after Quiet Right splits up, or at least they
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: stop using the choir Riot name in late seventy nine,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: they become Dubrow in nineteen eighty. There's several members that
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: passed through that, such as Greg Leon, who I had
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: mentioned before Hawaii juried for the book. In early eighty one,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Randy invites Rudy to leave Dubreu to join Ozzie's band,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: And something that has to be said about Kevin. I
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: know if I was trying to make it music and
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I had a Randy Rhoads and also Rudy Sarzo in
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: my band. I would do anything to keep him in
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: my band. But to Kevin's credit, he seemed to take
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: it very well. He totally understood why Randy left to
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: join Ozzy because he's an established rock star with the
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: record label contract and everything. And then again, about a
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: year later, Randy calls Rudy, who was staying even at
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Kevin's house at that point, to see if he'd be
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: interested in joining Ozzy, and Rudy's first reaction was no,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: he didn't want to because he was playing with the
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: band Angel at the time and I think also playing
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: with Dubro. I think he was doing two bands at
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the time, and he hangs it was actually it was
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: either I forget it was Sharon or Ozzy that called
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: the first time. But he says he's not interested, hangs
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: up the phone, and Kevin was like, what the fuck
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: is the matter with you? You know, He's like, that was
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: a golden opportunity, you know. So luckily the next day
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: either Ozzie or Sharon called back again and he said,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: all right, yeah, I'll come down and try out, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: then he got the gig. What happens is in eighty
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: one Frankie bin now joins, I believe there's still Dubreu.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: At that point, he was in a band called Monarch
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: that was a band in LA and supposedly Randy Rhodes
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: recommended him. Randy Rhodes was a fan of Frankie's drumming,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: so he signs on with Kevin. Then Carlos Cavazzo was
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: in a band called Snow at the time that would
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: play shows with Quiet Riot or also Debro again Randy
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: supposed The story goes that Randy recommended him to Kevin,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: saying there's this guy Carlos, I hear nothing but good
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: things about him.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: He should try him out, and he did and that
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: worked out.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Then they have a bassis named Chuck Wright who would
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: be in the band long enough to play on two
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: songs on Metal Health, which just so happens to be
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Metal Health, the title track, which is one of their
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: best known tunes, and one or two other tunes I believe,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: also a song called Don't Want to Let You Go,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: which is also a great try.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good song, yeah, very very good so
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and a cool bassline on that total Yeah.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: But what happens is after Randy passes away in early
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: eighty two. Rudy stays with Ozzy for a few months,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: but he said that the joy of music just kind
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: of left because it was obviously a very traumatic, horrible
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: thing that happened to him. And what happens is Frankie
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: or Kevin call him and say, look, we're working on
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: these demos for an album. We may have a I
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: don't know if they were signed at that point to
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Pasha Records, or maybe they were in talks. They're doing
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: demos or recording. Would you like to maybe just play
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: on one or two tracks?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: So he says, sure, he.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Comes in plays and he says, as soon as he
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: fell back in with them, his joy of music had returned,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: because now he's back with his friends, and you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: they could all bond together because they were all very
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: close with Randy and they were all probably still grieving together.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: So then he decides, which is very ballsy of Rudy Sarzo,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: to leave Ozzy, who at that point is one of
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the top metal acts in all of the world, touring
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: arenas and everything. He leaves Ozzy to rejoin Quiet Riot,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: and that's how the Mental Health line up became.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Greg Prato's latest book is Bang your Head, Field the Noise,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the Quiet Riot story. It's out now, So you lead
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: chapter nine. It's titled bang your Head. By the way
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that your wife did the layout of the cover he did.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I saw the name in there.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: She always comes through Mary Prato. I give a very
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: big thumbs up.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: She's very talented when it comes to designing book covers.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: That's right, So you lead chapter nine titles bang your
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Head with quote. There's a famous saying from darkness comes light,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and in the history of Quiet Riot, perhaps this phrase
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was never more fitting than what followed immediately after the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: tragic death of Randy Rhoads. At some point around the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: time of Rhodes passing, the Dubro band finally found someone
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: with a major label connection who was willing to take
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a gamble on them. Ladies and gentlemen, meet Spencer Proffer.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: He's really important to the Quiet Riot story. Who is
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Spencer Proffer? How does he play a role in the
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: story of Quiet Riot in terms of getting them signed
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and influencing them to record the song that would become
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: their breakthrough hit, Come On Feel the Noise.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Well, he is a gentleman that became involved with music.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I believe in the sixties, and he became friends with
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Clive Davis, who, of course we all know from Columbia
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: CBS Records. He actually produced a Tina Turner album from
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six in which Tina Turner covers rock songs.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I believe she covered a whole lot of love on
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the album. What Happens is Spencer Prawfer. This is according
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: to him, here is on the radio one day Slade's
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: version of come On Feel the Noise, and he's blown
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: away by it because he remembers seeing Slade in the
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: early seventies, I believe in England, and that song was
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: a huge hit in England, it was a number one hit,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: whereas an America it was virtually unheard of.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So his thing is, if I could just.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Find a young and hungry band to do a good
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: cover of come On Feel the Noise, I think we
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: could probably have a hit. Because if you remember in
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: eighty two, that's when metal was really becoming popular again
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: with MTV, Iron Maiden, Judas, Priest, def Lepperd all these
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: great bands. He hears of this band playing Debro, doesn't
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: know much about them. He goes to see them and
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: he says, he goes and there's maybe ten people in
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the audience, but he's blown away by them. He met
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: them afterwards, he explained who he was, and he also
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: at that point was granted his own record not only
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: his own record label through CBS called Pasha Records, he
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: also had his own recording studio, so there's a whole
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Pasha Recording studio of record label. So it was pretty
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: much an offer that quite right, couldn't well. At that point,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Debro couldn't refuse. He said, look, if you just cover
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: this song, come on, feel the noise. I'll also do
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: a demo of all your original material and we'll chop
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: it around and try to get a deal going.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So that's what happens. They do it.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Of course, there's the famous story that Kevin did not
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: want to cover that song. In fact, he instructed his
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: band members to blow it and just do a bad
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: job so that it would suck and they wouldn't have
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: to do it. But somehow lightning struck and Frankie Binali,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: when I interviewed him for Song Facts, he told me
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: the story and I included in the book that he
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: doesn't know what it was. He just started playing it
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: and the beat that beat. If you listen to the
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: original Come On Field, the NOOI is by Slade. The
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: beginning sounds nothing like the Quiet Riot version. Quiet Riot
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: trimmed away a lot of the fat of the original version.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: In fact, it's very controversial, but I'll put it out there.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Actually prefer the Quiet Riot version over the Slade version.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I was just about to say, the same thing.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe because I'm American, I'm sure if I was British,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: maybe i would think differently.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It's got more muscle to it. It's you know, it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the production is really cool's drums.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And also it starts right away with a classic drum
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: beat in the chorus, whereas the original there's a whole
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: intro and it's not till like a ways into the
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: song that you get to the chorus, which is now
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: a great classic chorus.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: So remember remember Slades run run Away here in the States.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: That was the the only hit here in the States.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well they had to. They had run run Away
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: and also a song called my oh My.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Yes, how could that's off the same album? Supply?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because what happened was because of Come
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: on Fuel the Noise becoming a hit. Suddenly everyone's like, oh,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: not up next Quiet Riot with covering Slade with come
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: On fielding.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Keep your Hands Off My Power Supply that was the album.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, so so Slade is being mentioned so much that
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: then they suddenly become popular in America with that album
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: with those two its songs. But then, similar to Quiet Riots,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Slade just fades away into obscurity right away.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Podcasts will be back after this short pause.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Hold your Breast for the Dynamic.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Duo the album's opening track. That that's a classic, and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that's the title track, and I, I guess I should
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just clarify because I say title track, it's known as
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: bang your Head, right, so it's metal Health in pad.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: This is the thing.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: And I had the opportunity to ask Frankie Banali this
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and he actually cleared it. On the album on the
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: back of metal Health, is it just says metal health
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: for the for the song title, the video I believe
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: says metal Health then bang your Head. The single says
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: bang your Head then metal Health. So I asked Frankie Banali,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell is the right title? Which
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: is the correct one? He said, Bang Your head Metal Health,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: that's the right one.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And there's the one song from Randy Rhodes from his
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: days on the album that Slicked Black Cadillac, which is
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a great song. And then there's the tribute track to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Randy titled Thunderbird. Many assume that that was written after
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Randy pass. That's not the case, right.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Not the case no, because on YouTube there's a bootleg
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: live recording of a Dubro show from nineteen eighty I
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: believe it the Star Would that's when Greg Leon was
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: in the band, and they do Thunderbird on the Metal
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Health version. They dedicate the song to Randy, and they
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I think added a new verse which I think maybe
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: talks a little bit about Randy. But supposedly this song
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: was written after Randy left. If you listen to this
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: song the lyrics, it's about like a friend leaving, but
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: not because they're dead, just because, like similar to Randy
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Rhodes was leaving Quiet Riot to join Ozzy. So if
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: you listen to the lyrics, it reflects that more. But
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: then of course at that last verse, then it kind
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: of changes the whole, the whole meaning a bit.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Don't want to let you go. It's a good song.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You mentioned that it was released as a single. It
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: didn't do that well, which is surprising.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say that this is the thing.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: There were only two singles released from that album, come
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: On Feel the Noise, and also the song Metal Health.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: It was right around the time that Michael Jackson Thriller
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: seemed to kick open the door or at least convince
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: people that you could have more than two singles and
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: videos from an album. Then you get to say, deflebertis
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: stereo and you have what like five or six singles
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: and videos. So Quiet Riots sadly fell victim to that
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: with Metal Health, because there were at least two other
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: songs that easily could have been singles and videos that
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I think would have been hits, which one Click Black
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Cadillac and also don't Want to Let You Go, which
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: maybe it's one of my favorite Quiet Riot songs of
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: all time. Right, Yeah, it's a great song, very poppy,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: but it's like power pop but very good.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Highly recommend.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: That song reminds me of on Stay Hungry, Twisted Sister
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the Price. Yes. One last note on Metal Health. The
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: album cover image. This was inspired by Iron Maiden and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: also an old horror film.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, the Man behind the Iron Mask, which I have
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: a quote from Kevin who talks about He's like, oh,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: the old Vincent Price movie, the Man in the Iron Mask.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: And I did some research. Vincent Price was not in
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: that movie. No, but I mean, but you know, we
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: all make mistakes.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: We get the point though. Yeah, that's an old horror film.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So that's what inspired it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, but it actually came in handy because if you
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: think about it, in the eighties, every band had to
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: have some kind of mascot or some kind of cool
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: cover image.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: You had of course.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Eddie with Iron Maiden, then you had all these other
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: you had vic Rattlehead with Megadeth, and the cover image
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: of Metal Health is pretty I mean, speaking to Greg
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Prado who was twelve turning into thirteen in nineteen eighty
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: three eighty four, that really hit home with me.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that was an iconic, iconic I'm sure many
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: many a twelve year old had that poster, yes, if
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: there was one.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: But I had a T shirt with a T shirt
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: yeah I talk about in the book. Yes.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Quiet Riot blows up with Mental Health. They
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: are huge. They played the US Festival, which Kevin der
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Brow later said was a huge turning point. Thirty three
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty thousand people. MTV comes along perfect time.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: The videos, like you mentioned two of them, they're huge.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Rudy Sarzo shared some great stories with you about filming
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: those videos, including with Patted and going.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: To say, let me, let me just jump in really quick,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: because I know you're big, that you're a big Van
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Halen fan. He so tells a good story that they're
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: coming into the US Festival because Quiet Right they were
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: on tour, so they just they got in maybe like
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: went to a hotel, then played and got right out.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: They didn't Van Hall, Nancy and any other bands. But anyway,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Quiet Riot is getting ready to leave from the hotel
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: to go to the US Festival to play. Who should
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: be walking in the hotel from a night of partying
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: but Van Helen Ah, there you go.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I love it and they partied hard. David.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I remember I interviewed Pete Angelis for the book MTV
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Ruled the World about that, and he talks about how
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: he was concerned that David Lee Roth may have He
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: was concerned for David Lee Roth that he may have
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: partied too hard and was not going to be able
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: to pull it off.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: But to Dave's credit, he did pull it off.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: He did Pete Angelis. By the way, I don't know
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: if he's originally from Connecticut, but he went to high
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: school in Connecticut. I read that online.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: He is one of the most I gotta tell you,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: one of the most fascinating behind the scenes guys. I
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: interviewed him for the MTV Ruled the World book and
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: he told great story after great story. I even told
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: him at the time, this is like ten or fifteen
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: years ago, you should really do a book, and he
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, maybe maybe, but then we kind of
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: lost and then so outstanding.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: He went on to manage the Black Crows with.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Black Crows and he was also part of the fabulous
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Picasso Brothers. Some of my some of the greatest music
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: videos of all time. Whether you like davidly Roth solo
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: or not, you have to go with Yankee Rose going
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: crazy and though I'm not a big crazy from the
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Heat fan, you can't deny the videos California Girls Dressed
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Jigglo are great and Hot for Teacher is one of
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: the greatest videos of all time, and he's totally all
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: over that video.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they they put those videos together. They put their
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: minds together, the brothers, and he's he's the guy. Forget
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: about it, Dave, Yeah, exactly, forget about it. Yeah. I
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: think they had a falling out, though I don't know. Yeah,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: maybe that's what's preventing him.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: From Many people had a falling out by the way.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: With Dave. Yeah, Dave.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: One guy who never had a falling out with with
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: David Lee Roth Gary Sharon. I always like bringing up
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Gary Sharon at least once during my appearance, is because
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: of that abomination Van Halen.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Three Van Hellen three. I know we were talking about
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: him at the s festival and then I started mentioning
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the videos. Oh that's where I was heading the padded
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: cell the video or videos. Maybe it was in both.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I can't recall one the video I believe.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, it was just the mental health video.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Rudy said there was somewhere where that ended up.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, it was a place called Joe's Garage, which is
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: where Frank Zappa rehearsed. It was just it somehow wound
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: up in Frank Zappa's rehearsal space.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: How the hell does it end up there?
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I guess maybe just like just like deaden the sound
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: or like muffle. Maybe I don't know how the hell
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: it winds up there.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The end of chapter eleven reads Perhaps the best
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: summary was provided by manager Warren Entner, which also proved
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to be quite prophetic concerning what happened next. In Quiet
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Riot's career quote, it felt like we were on a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: meteor that had a quick burn, and it was a
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: quick burn. You pinpoint the date of March thirty first,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty fours when we see the downfall of Quiet Riot.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Kevin Dubrough's quotes the circus would burn quite a few bridges.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Right absolutely, which I talk about this in the book,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: which is kind of kind of laughable when you think
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: of what's going on now with the Internet, in tweeting
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: and social media, how every single day it's like people
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: are trying to outdo each other with bad mouthing each
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: other and calling each other bad names and what they
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: should be doing differently and all this other and people
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: glorifying themselves.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And things like that.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: What Kevin debrou was doing was he felt, which is understandable.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: He was struggling for so long and Quiet Riot has
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: this massive success. What happens then, of course, after one
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: band hits big record labels, then try to sign fifty
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: million Quiet Riots, which some you know did kind of
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: just follow the Quiet Riot formula. But Kevin went like
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: totally hogwild with just badmouthing pretty much every band you
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: could think of, even to the point, and he was
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: even badmouthing like Odd and was bad mouthing Motley Crue,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: and Motley Crue was very rapidly ascending to the point
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: love him or hate him. By eighty five eighty six
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: that the probably the biggest metal band in all of
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: the United States of America. So yeah, he was giving
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: interview after interview with Circus magazine and also hit Praterer.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Those were the two I really remember reading at the
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: time that he was just you know, going on, just saying.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: There's a quote, there's a classic quote I think I
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: have in the book where he says something about those
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: bands at least he could fart on key or something
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: like that, unlike some of those other bands or something
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: like that, which you know, I'm always a big fan
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: of some fart humor.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: But sure he was just burning bridges, yeah, burning bridges
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: left and right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's yeah.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: He he did pretty which you know, looking back with
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: the interviews, he told that he was pretty much into
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: cocaine and drinking a lot at that point and partying,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: so he probably wasn't the most clear headed at that point,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: you know, to make rational decisions.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: So they've followed up with eighty four's Condition Critical had
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: another Slade cover. Mama were all crazy.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty bad move if you ask me, but.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: It did okay. Number fifty one on the charge.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Is actually, you know I talk about in the book,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: it was a very good cover, though, you know, it's
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: not like you hear it and you're like, eh, it
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: was actually excellent, but just you're really kind of type
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: casting yourself and digging yourself into your own ear, kind
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: of digging yourself into like a ditch by just covering
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: the same band over and over again. Which again, looking
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: back now from the vantage point of twenty twenty five,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: the majority, it seems like of pop artists and rock
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: artists have a lot of outside writers and stuff, so
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: covering other people's material and stuff isn't that unheard of,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: whereas maybe nineteen eighty four you expected, you know, Gene
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Simmons and Paul Stanley to be writing the kiss songs
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: at that point. But then, funny enough, Kiss then does
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: start having a lot of outside riders. But like Van Halen,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: was pretty much in house for.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Many, many years as far as the songwriting went.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: That follow up they had to prove themselves with an original,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and I think people start to feel like.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the thing too.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I actually had the opportunity to ask Frankie Binali this,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: It's in the book where he taught. I said, you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: looking back, is there anything that you think could have
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: been done differently with condition critical, like maybe taking a breather?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: And he said yeah.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: But the thing is the record label was calling the
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: shots because remember Spencer Proffer is the producer. He is
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: pretty much the head of their label, so he's telling
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: them what should and shouldn't be done. And Pasha is
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: part of CBS, which is like one of the biggest
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: labels of the world. So instead of doing the wise thing,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: which is like, all right, guys, you know, I take
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: the rest of nineteen eighty four off, write, play, maybe.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: A few shows, test up the material.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: We'll come back in late eighty four early eighty five
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and do a really good album. They're like, no, come
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: right off the road in early eighty four and go
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: right in the studio, and that's the recipe for pretty
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: much disaster. I mean, yes, you've had led Zeppelin two,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: which is a sophomore effort, You've had never Mind, which
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: is a sophomore effort, you have Paranoid van Halen two.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: There are certain instances where going right in and not
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: having a lot of time to think about what your
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: next move is paid off. But it definitely did not
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: pay off with a Condition Critical.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Bad Boys sign at the times, Winners Take All and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Party All Night. We're also on that album, but didn't
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: do anything Mom, We're all crazy now did got the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: biggest result, and that was I think I said, what
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: number fifty one on the charge of the album.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: It didn't look.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Top forty the single, and the album peaked at only
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: number fifteen or sixteen, I believe, compared to a number
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: one of Metal Health and Metal Health I think at
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: last count was four or five times platinum compared to
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Condition Critical, which went gold and platinum very quickly, because
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: every metal band that was played on MTV at that
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: point went gold to platinum and then it just fell off.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Booked on rock podcast We'll be back after this this
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: is heavy again heavy, I think so heavy the future
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: is there a probably ears Gravitational Pull. A few more
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: albums released in the eighties. Nineteen eighty six is QR three,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: which reached number thirty one, and in nineteen eighty eight
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: was the album QR which people are peaked at one
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: nineteen and this didn't feature Kevin Dubura.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Is the one call short Tino.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: On all Short Tino.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, I.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Was gonna say there was another great song. Although the
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: album QR three wasn't particularly good pretty much about as
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: so so as conditioned critical, there's one fantastic song in
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: that called.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: The Wild and the Young.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm with you My thing is I.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Think it sounds very similar to the style and production
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: of def Lepperds Hysteria, and that came out a year
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: before def Leppards Hysteria.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: That song, it really is a great song. I remember
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: seeing the video, yes, and then it came and went.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: But again putting together the playlist, listening back to it,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: it's like this is a this is a great song.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: It's just at that point people were moving on from
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Quiet right.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and just the rest of the album wasn't wasn't good,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: So you have, you have one great song and the
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: rest of so so stuff.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: It's not going to really love very far.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Shortino as the lead vocalist did not work. Let's talk
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: about Kevin's firing. He heard the news before he was fired.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So what happens is Rudy Sarzo leaves the band
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: after the Condition Critical tour because he's not getting along
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: with Kevin. Kevin was pretty honest in interviews, saying he
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: was really bad off at that point with sex, drugs
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: and rock and roll, you know, embracing that whole entire lifestyle.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: And he and Rudy, who were once close, just hate
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: each other at that point. And Rudy leaves eventually turns
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: up in of course, Whitesnake, So they sold draw On,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: They do QR three. Chuck Wright comes back in the band.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: He played on a couple songs of Metal Health.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: QR three's played a little bit on MTV. Doesn't do
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: that well. Ron Keel, who I interviewed, talks about opening
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: shows for Quiet right, and they're playing to like a
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: half empty arena, so that shows that people are not
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: going to see them. Although Ron says to his they
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: seemed to be getting along and they were putting on
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: decent shows, but just the audience wasn't there anymore, and
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: things must have been going on behind the scenes, because yeah,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: they wound up.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Kevin heard that there were rumors that he maybe.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Fired, and they were in Japan and he says, look,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: I'm quitting now then, and they're like, no, no, just
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: finish the tour. You're not being fired. Let's finish this
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: and we'll talk about it. They do the Japanese dates
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: and the last date I think was a week later
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: in Hawaii, and he says he woke up to the
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: plane ticket underneath his door and he was left high
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: and dry. All his other band left and in early
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: eighty seven they had one last meeting to just say
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: you're fired, to make it official, and that he left
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: the band.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So then he rejoined them. In the nineties. They did
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: well with the resurgence of interest in eighties metal, I
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: remember in the nineties, but he died of.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It over yeah, but not as you know.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: The thing that's such a shame is eighties metal in
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: like things like Spotify, which then makes it like now
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of people are like, oh, yeah, I love
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: you know, let me listen to a Motley Cruz song
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: followed by a Nirvana song followed by a James Brown song.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Whereas back in the early nineties all of hair metal
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: was awful you only listened to like, you know, it
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: wasn't like as lenient or genre jumping. I think really
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: the reappreciation of hair metal, I think was really kind
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: of in the late two thousands, early twenty tens, because
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: then that's when suddenly you see a lot of these
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: songs pop up in movies like The Wrestler had the
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: song metal Health Bang your Head in it, and also
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Cobra Kai has a bunch of hair metal eighties metal songs,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: and you know, now it's kind of just looked at
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: as like fun, care free party music.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: When did those eighties package stores start. I think it
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: was late.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Nineties, I think late nineties, but it didn't like I'm
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: thinking of when when the first Okay, the first rock Lahoma,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: which you could really pinpoint. That's when I think it
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: really really came back. That when I injured Richard Christie
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: for the book, he saw Riot that summer at that
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: show and it was blown away. And then sadly in
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: November just a few months later, was when Kevin died.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that came as a surprise, I think, or
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I guess that's the question. Did that come as a
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: surprise to his friends and dates? He died November of
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven overdose.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, it came as a surprise to me.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: But I was, like, you know, I was a fan because,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: like somebody talk about in the book, is I remember,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: like I said, I kind of as they went on
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: with album by album, I kind of just like lost interest.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: But around two thousand dish and I'm at the height
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: of like loving like, for instance, Radiohead. I remember going
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: to Tower Records and buying a replacement Metal Health CD
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: because I suddenly had the urge to listen.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: To that again.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: And I was, and it's one of those albums that's
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: like a Guilty Pleasure that you know, I really did
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: like it.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Booked on Rock Podcast will be back after this.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: There will be an intermission.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Guilty Pleasure. You mentioned that that was the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: album that the band had out when I did interview
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Kevin Debreau. Guilty Pleasures.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that one, from what I remember, is not
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: one of their better ones. But the thing is, listening back,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: there's always one or two songs that are decent.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one on there that that was definitely
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and he even talked about it. They were making it
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: with the intent of it being like a sports arena
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: type of song, and I think it was rock the house. Maybe, Okay,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: it could be. I have the CD somewhere and it
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't all that good.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So did you ever so you had the opportunity
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: to actually meet Kevin and also and also do the
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: do a face to face interview or.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: And I remember he was really nice and I remember
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: him he was really interested in when the interview is
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: gonna run?
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, when is this gonna run?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: You're gonna run? I don't know, we'll run it tonight, Okay,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: all right, what time? I just what time is it
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: gonna be? It's I'll probably run like seven VM. But
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: he was really nice and I got the feeling that
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: he really loved Randy Rhodes.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: He did one thing I'll give Kevin credit with for
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: doing research for this book. I went back and watched
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of performances of Quiet Riots throughout all the years,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: and whether they're playing it didn't matter if they were
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: playing the US Festival or playing a little, tiny bar.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: He always really put on a good show. He sang well,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: he was and he always seemed very appreciative that he had,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: whether it was again playing rock Klahoma to thousands of
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: people or just playing a bar down the street.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: He was always appreciative that, like, hey, at least I
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: have this career that I can, you know, go and
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: play these shows and people still show up and people
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: liked the songs.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: So especially after how bad things got for him, I
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: mean it really reached rock bottom. I remember they had
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the behind the Music on them and they talked about
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: them playing in the middle of middle of nowhere, like
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: in a field was something they were playing somewhere where
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: they were cows.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: They wound up playing a thing called nudestock.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, which you would think that like quiet Riots manager
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: would say like, hey guys, why don't we maybe like
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: aim a little higher than say.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, nudestock, nudestock.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Let's see what you know, like Rat is doing or
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: what Cinderella is doing. Let's see what we maybe do
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: like a package tour, like maybe let's do something like that,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: not just play some you know, some show with like
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: naked people you know.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: And then they went on. After Kevin passed, Mark Huff
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: became the vocalist. The second blow comes to the death
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: of Frankie Minali twenty twenty from pancreatic cancer. Now today
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: we have Rudy Sarzo on bass, yes he's okay, Alex
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Grossi and guitars, Jig Pearl on lead vocals. Jesse Pearl
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: was in Rat at one point, wasn't he?
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: He was a Rat love hate. He may have sang
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: in warrant to if I'm not mistaken.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I think I saw Rat with Jig Pearl singing okay.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: That was on the tour with Cinderella maybe fifteen years ago,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: and John Kelly on drums. So this is not a
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: surprise to you that the band continues knowing what Frankie
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: told you in an interview in twenty nineteen. Can you
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: share what is response was when you asked him about
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: how he'd like to see the Quiet Riot legacy live on.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I can't remember the exact quote, but
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: I do remember that he wanted the band to keep going.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: And then interesting, I pulled up a archival quote from
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Kevin several years before he passed, and he even said
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: that I want to see this band continue even if
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: there is I think his quote was even if there's
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: no original members, or I want Quiet Rioters.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: To keep going on.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: So it seemed like him, Kevin, and Frankie both were
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: on the same page with that, So you can't really
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: criticize them for continuing on. And you know, to Quiet
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Riots credit, they're still playing pretty decent shows, like I
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: checked out where they're playing. The very popular thing now
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: is for a lot of these more like veteran rock
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: bands are to play casinos. But you see the venues,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: they're actually very nice venues. They're like big arena type venues.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: It's not little, tiny shoe box places, is what I'm saying.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: So it seems like, you know, now more than ever,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: it's good to play that those types of places. You
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: could play like a House of Blues, which is like
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: a night venue. So it's not like say in nineteen
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: ninety four or five, when like grunge was all the
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: rage and you're playing just shitty hole in the world bars.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: You know, you're right, yeah, And I think it's been
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: proven that there's a lot more in the name of
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the band than necessarily who's in it, and I never
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: thought that that would be the case. But that is
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: like with Foreigner. People go see Foreigner and there's nobody
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: from the original land up there.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll be honest.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: You know, it's really everyone has a different opinion on this,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: and look, everyone, whatever you want to do, you can
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: do what you want. I personally lean more towards I
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: want more original or at least like for instance, we've
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: talked in the past, Queen is my all time favorite band.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: I just can't bring myself to go see them with
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: what's his name, Adam Lambert, Not that I don't like
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Adam Lambert, but just you know, to me, it's either
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Freddie Murky or I just don't want to see it.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm with you. I was just saying this
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to my friend the other day coming out of work.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: We were talking about and he's about the same age
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: as us, a little bit older. For us, these bands,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: it was like following a sports team where you knew
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: who the short step was, the left fielder was, you
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: knew every band member, you knew the names, you knew
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the guys you studied up. You look at the credits
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: on the back of the album.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: You knew all the mascots.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: You knew the mascots, so, but it's a different era now.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: A lot of the younger generation, I suppose, and some
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: of the people our ages, they just want to go
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: out and remember the good times, listen to the music
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and have fun. That's cool.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, we'll talk about now that it's turned into
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: more of like a family thing. Like when we were
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: younger in the eighties going to shows, you really didn't
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: see very many like older people, whereas now it's older
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: people who bring their children to you know, pretty much
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: enjoy the music. Like Richard Christie talks about that his son.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: One of his favorite songs is come on Field the Noise.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's cool. And Richard Christy is one of
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: the greatest stories I still tell people about when you're
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: stucking on Howard Stern. He'd love to drink so much
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: and go to shows. He would wear adult I persent
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the concerts.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, Richard christ he always comes through.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: He tells a great story in this book how he
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: went in the mid nineties to go see Quiet Riot
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: and he said how he was so happy that you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: he went to see them. They were great still and
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: he was it was great to see like other people
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: his age still hadn't forgotten that music. But he and
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: his friend drank too much. And this was in Florida.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: They go outside, they pass out in the grass somewhere,
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: and they wake up and they're covered and bitten by
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: fire ants. So he said, So, he said, the moral
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: of this story is never passed out in Florida, because
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: you're gonna wake up covered in fire ant bites.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: And I love he like me, loves Halloween. He loves Holloway.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: That's his favorite holiday.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, I remember yet, that's.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Bang your Head Field, The Noise, the Quiet Riot Story.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: It's out now. You can find it wherever books are sold.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: And look forward at your local bookstore too. And if
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it's not there telling me to get a copy of
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: the book, you can find your nearest store. There's a
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: link at booked on rock dot com. Look for your neares,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: was going to say.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: And also it's available as paperback, kindle, hardcover, and also
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: audio with me narrating if you could believe.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: That you were really getting into that man.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: It's all about making a buck. I'm gonna be honest
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, you got a family to feed.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I have bills to pay. I'm mostly long I'm a
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: long suffering Mets, Jets an Islanders fan. I need something
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: to give me some kind of pleasure.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Right. Did you hear the rumor that the stick because
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: you're a Jets fan for those who may know, right,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm a Steeler.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: You know, I have to laugh when someone's like, yeah,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: so you're like a Jets fan.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: You're one of those people. But I heard the rumor
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers could go to the Steelers. I'm like,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: no fans heard that? No?
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Well, no, no, no, because you know what I was going
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: to say, because what will happen is is he'll go
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: to the Steelers and the Steelers.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Will then win the Super Bowl.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: You're right, because the Jets got rid of Makai Beckton
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: last year.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: He goes to the Eagles and Eagles win the Super Bowl.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: You know what following that Jets logic, maybe I do
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: want him on the Steelers. All right? Oh my god?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: All right? Greg? Thanks thanks as always? Now, where could
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: people find and you're online of Twitter mostly you're very active.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Twitter or x so what is it called?
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's x dot com slash Gregor prator, writer
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: and all my books. You go to Amazon dot com
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: and you can find this one, of course, which is
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Bang your Head, Feel the Noise, The Quiet Riot Story hardcover, paperback,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: kindle or audio version, and all my other books. Would
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: you believe I've done over forty books.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: It's up to that now. Huh, well that's a that's
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: a high number.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I need to take a nap at some point.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: You need to take an app And we also give
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: a shout out to the website Ultimate Guitar dot com because.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, a lot of writing for them, and we
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: always you always give us a lot of good material
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: to do news articles.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: When I thank you Eric.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: For that I got to put on my website as
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: seen on Ultimate Guitar Rock.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: We've actually gotten some articles that got I don't know
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: if you notice, like you see the views a lot
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: of the ones that we've gotten through your interviews that
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: we then do news articles get a lot of views.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, yes, yes, no, I can't take
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: enough for that. Man's that's pretty darn cool. So Greg, thanks,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: we'll have you back on again for the next book.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Oh wait a second, what if I announced quickly but
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: my next book is going.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: To be oh I love this all right ahead late yeah.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: In October. My next book is going to be about
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: nineties alternative rock, called Alternative for the Masses. Okay, And
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: for that one, I interviewed guys from Primus. I interviewed
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: a gentleman from Fugazi, Matt Pinfield Kennedy. The list goes
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: on and on, but it's in oral history about nineties
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: alternative rock.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: The non grunge band.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: So we talk about Smashing Pumpkins, nine Inch Nails, Faith,
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: No More, Blind Melon, who.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Both you and I love. So I will be back
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Please have me keep me posted, all right, Greg, thanks man.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you Eric. That's it. It's in the books.