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An old VHS tape offers new clues in Sylvia Salinas murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: justice never sleeps? Is that true? Will an old VHS
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Speaker 1: tape help us solve the murder of the beautiful woman
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Speaker 1: in Galaston stabbed in the heart? I Meancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories and we want answers. Joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: The victim Sylvia brother Derlas Salinas, who only recently returns
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Speaker 1: to the scene of the stabbing. I know how that feels, Derlas,
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Speaker 1: believe it or not, After all these years, I still
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Speaker 1: have not gone back to the scene where my fiance
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Speaker 1: was murdered. I don't think you would help me in
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Speaker 1: any way. Just something in eight inside of me I
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Speaker 1: don't want to go see it. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: stand there, and I don't want to go into what
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Speaker 1: kind of depression it might bring on and me be
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Speaker 1: sad around my ten year old twins. That took a
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Speaker 1: lot of guts. Darlas Salinas also with me, Sylvia's niece
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Speaker 1: Maria Baker. Courtney Fisher, investigative reporter with ABC thirteen who
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Speaker 1: has been on the story. Forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University, juvenile judge, lawyer and
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Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com, Ashley Wilcott, Alan Dowke,
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Speaker 1: and Jackie Howard. We want answers. First to Courtney Fisher
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Speaker 1: with ABC thirteen. Courtney, when I first read the title
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Speaker 1: of a story that you wrote, I was in. I
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Speaker 1: was all in and there was no turning back. Your
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Speaker 1: title says the HS tape that survived could help solve
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Speaker 1: murder of Galveston woman stabbed in heart. It says survived Ike.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? So Hurricane Ike back
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight actually destroyed a lot of
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Speaker 1: evidence in cold case files in Galveston, and that's where
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Speaker 1: Silvia Plena is was murdered, and so they've had to
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Speaker 1: sift through. Actually a few detectives even gotten have gotten
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Speaker 1: sick going to stiff through old evidence and see what's needed.
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Speaker 1: What happened. So when Sylvia's family contacted me, the detective
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Speaker 1: had to go back into their evidence room. They didn't
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Speaker 1: really know what they had at this case. They hadn't
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Speaker 1: gotten that far. I was first told all of the
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Speaker 1: evidence was destroyed and that was just unfortunate. That's just
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Speaker 1: the way it was. Okay, wait a minute, I gotta
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Speaker 1: tell you something. Derlus and Maria and everybody, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us, because this case is hurting my heart.
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Speaker 1: I want to address something. Drlus and Maria Baker. You
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Speaker 1: are blood relatives of Sylvia, and I want to tell
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Speaker 1: you something. Don't be too hard on the evidence being lost.
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Speaker 1: He of course, it was a hurricane at b Let
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Speaker 1: me just tell you what happened to me. I had
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Speaker 1: just got into the d a's office. I had been
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Speaker 1: prosecuting for a while, and the elected district attorney said, hey,
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Speaker 1: and the case has been reversed. We tried it the
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Speaker 1: first time about fourteen years ago. It went all the
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Speaker 1: way up to the circuit Court of Appeals, which is
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Speaker 1: one wrong below the Supreme Court, and it got reversed
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Speaker 1: and it's made its way back down to the d
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Speaker 1: a's office to retry. I went looking for it. Guess
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Speaker 1: what evidence was left? There was one X ray. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know who it was. I could see there was
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Speaker 1: a bullet in the X ray, okay, and a picture
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Speaker 1: from an A T M machine of a guy. I
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Speaker 1: couldn't see his face, but his hat said kiss my bass.
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Speaker 1: That's all the evidence I could find. And we didn't
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Speaker 1: have a hurricane. But over fourteen years, when I was
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Speaker 1: still in undergrad and going through law school, the evidence
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Speaker 1: room had been moved and all the evidence had either
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Speaker 1: been lost or mislocated. It happens, and it sounds crazy,
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Speaker 1: and it sounds too bizarre to be true, but it happens.
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Speaker 1: And let me tell you something. It took me a
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Speaker 1: while put that case back together again and got a conviction, okay,
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Speaker 1: on Henry Hamilton's That was the code defendant that I tried.
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Speaker 1: God will and he's steal in g all right now, Okay,
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Speaker 1: Courtney did not mean to interrupt, but I had to
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Speaker 1: let Darlas and Maria No, it happens Okay, it's not
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Speaker 1: a conspiracy property. Okay, go ahead. So so I said
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Speaker 1: to the detectives, you know that's important. I had to
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Speaker 1: bring it back to the family. Obviously that's not exciting
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Speaker 1: news you want to share with them. We were all
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Speaker 1: going and then I got a phone call from another
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Speaker 1: detective who said she hadn't seen the case yet, but
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Speaker 1: she had gotten it assigned to her. She hadn't made
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Speaker 1: her way to the case yet. She was willing to look.
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Speaker 1: And she called me and said, you're not going to
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Speaker 1: believe it, but we found this VHS tape, this original
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Speaker 1: VHS tape of the detective walking the entire crime scene,
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Speaker 1: and we were both shocked because she said, I am
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Speaker 1: so surprised that survived the hurricane. Okay, that is a
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Speaker 1: miracle that it's vibe. I want you to hear what
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Speaker 1: Durlas Selena says. Two k t f KA listens Sealinas
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Speaker 1: when I first walked up, hasn't been to his sister's
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Speaker 1: old store. It hit me all over again in twenty
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Speaker 1: eight years, Hannah, it breaks the hearty. You know, this
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Speaker 1: is where Sylvia Selenas was murdered on Halloween Day. She
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Speaker 1: didn't deserve to die that way. Nobody does and with
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Speaker 1: me now is journalists Salinas that Sylvia's brother and Maria
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Speaker 1: Baker his niece. Mr Selenas, tell me what led you
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Speaker 1: to go back to the scene of the crime. The
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Speaker 1: reason I went back is because the family needs closure.
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Speaker 1: We want to put this behind us, uh and find
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Speaker 1: guess just do you recall, of course you do when
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Speaker 1: Sylvia was murdered? Yes, I do, Yes, I do remember
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Speaker 1: what happened, Darlas. When did you discover what had happened? Oh,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't Hawaii at work, and when I got a
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Speaker 1: phone call from the neighbor telling me what happened, why
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Speaker 1: were you in Hawaii? I decided to move to Hawaii.
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Speaker 1: We thought about possibly opening up stores in Hawaii. I
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Speaker 1: talked to my sister about it before I left, and
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Speaker 1: she was interested and she thought it that it was
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Speaker 1: a good idea, and she said that, you know, she'd
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Speaker 1: like to come over one day that she was planning
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Speaker 1: to put the store up herself. Oh, my stars, that
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Speaker 1: just breaks my heart. Ashley will caught with me juvenile judge, lawyer,
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Speaker 1: founder child crime watch dot com. Ashley she was that
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Speaker 1: close to going to Paradise you know, actually, I have
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Speaker 1: always wanted to go to Hawaii. I've never been, but
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Speaker 1: it's just I've been told absolutely one of the most
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Speaker 1: beautiful places on earth. And to think that Sylvia stayed
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Speaker 1: here and hadn't gone yet and this happens, it's just
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Speaker 1: such an ironic twist of fate. It is. And dr
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Speaker 1: List and Maria, my heart breaks for you all because
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Speaker 1: here she is working hard, doing the right thing to
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Speaker 1: be able to then go somewhere like Hawaii and this
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Speaker 1: happens to her. Just again, doesn't make sense. Guys, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about the unsolved murder of an absolutely beautiful lady,
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Speaker 1: Sylvia Selina's so, darlas you are in Hawaii at the
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Speaker 1: time you discover your sister has been killed. What do
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Speaker 1: you know of what happened that Halloween night of her murder.
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Speaker 1: I've only actually recently what actually happened in the store. Uh. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: when it came back, I had to do the closure
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Speaker 1: of the store and you know, sell the store out
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Speaker 1: and get all the paperwork together. Uh there's details that
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Speaker 1: really didn't actually know too well, only what the investigators
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Speaker 1: told me, and they didn't have any witnesses at the time.
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Speaker 1: You know what's funny odd Joe's got Morrigan forensics sex part.
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Speaker 1: I remember, for years and years and years I would
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Speaker 1: not divulge to anyone about Keith's murder. And then when
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Speaker 1: I became a prosecutor, defense attorneys would to use anything
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Speaker 1: to get under the d a skin or cause a
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Speaker 1: problem in the case, try to throw the judge off
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Speaker 1: the case, try to throw this witness out. I never
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Speaker 1: let anybody know I was a crying victim that my
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Speaker 1: fiance was murdered just for our wedding, because I thought
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Speaker 1: somehow and I didn't really even know how, that they
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Speaker 1: would use it against me, and um it was well
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Speaker 1: on believe it or not Joe Scott before I went public.
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Speaker 1: It was years later, after I started the show with
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Speaker 1: Johnny Cochrane and moved to New York that I publicly
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Speaker 1: talked about Keith's murder. And it was with Larry King,
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Speaker 1: and it's the the oddest thing. When he asked me
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Speaker 1: the date of keith murder, I got the day right,
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Speaker 1: I said the wrong year. I don't know why. Then
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Speaker 1: all sorts of stories on the Internet started about how
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Speaker 1: Keith really wasn't dead, how I didn't have the facts
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Speaker 1: straight how he had been a cop. No, he was
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Speaker 1: a low liquor store. No this, no that, And it's
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Speaker 1: the most bizarre thing. But you know the truth. To
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Speaker 1: this day, Joe Scott, I have not gone back and
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Speaker 1: read the appeal in that case, the trial transcript. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why. Maybe I don't want to know everything,
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Speaker 1: or it's just too painful. But what he's saying, what
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Speaker 1: durlis is saying that he didn't know all the facts,
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Speaker 1: that that's not really uncommon. It's like it's something that
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Speaker 1: hurts so much. It's like picking up a rattlesnake and
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Speaker 1: expecting it to be a good experience. It's not. No,
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Speaker 1: it's it never is. Nancy. And I think that people
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Speaker 1: that I've gone back and talked to in cold cases
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Speaker 1: over the course of my career, one of the things
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Speaker 1: they do is they kind of shelter, you know, the shelter.
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Speaker 1: They're there, their psyche, their spirit, whatever it is that
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Speaker 1: kind of drives you. They try to protect that in
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Speaker 1: their brain. But yet something some flash will occurr and
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Speaker 1: it all comes back new. I can only imagine, darlis
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Speaker 1: that uh that in that moment in time, you were
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Speaker 1: shocked when this terrible tragedy to set your family, and
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Speaker 1: I'm very sorry, but I'm I'm curious, I think, uh
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Speaker 1: to know what what was your initial reaction? I mean,
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Speaker 1: was it was it one? Obviously you were shocked, but
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that there was a long period of disbelief,
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Speaker 1: particularly considering you were at such a distance when this happened. Well, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: I had a lot of anger my first instinct. For
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Speaker 1: some reason, I was angry and mad, uh that I
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Speaker 1: wasn't there, you know, if I would have been in
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Speaker 1: galast and maybe I could forbidden it or h I
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Speaker 1: don't lost and I didn't know how to help him.
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Speaker 1: Darlas Um with me is Sylvia Selina's brother and niece,
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Speaker 1: and I almost I hate to have him on because
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Speaker 1: a lot of times and murder victims start talking about
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Speaker 1: what happened, it just brings it all back. You know,
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Speaker 1: some people like to talk about their issues and somehow
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Speaker 1: it helps them. I'm not like that Derlis at all.
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Speaker 1: I remember when my father passed away, our pastor and
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Speaker 1: our little Methodist church has asked me, I don't know
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Speaker 1: how many times do you want to get together and talk.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't because it just compounds. It
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Speaker 1: makes me live through it again and again and again.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about a beautiful young lady, Sylvia Selena is
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Speaker 1: the photos of her, she's stunning. She was stabbed dead
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Speaker 1: on Halloween. Now, the original timeline states she was alone
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Speaker 1: at Selena's food store. Um, Maria Baker with me, that's
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Speaker 1: Sylvia's niece. The Selena's Food Store Is it like, um
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Speaker 1: a seven eleven, a convenient store? Is that what it was? Me?
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Speaker 1: I it was just a little family grocery store. We
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Speaker 1: had lots of regular our customers that lived in the neighborhood. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in the store, so we
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Speaker 1: would see kind of the same faces on a regular basis.
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Speaker 1: That's so odd. To Courtney Fisher, ABC investigative reporter who
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Speaker 1: really got my interest in this case. I didn't even
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Speaker 1: know about it until I read her headline about an
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Speaker 1: old VHS tape that survived Hurricane Ike and Galveston was
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Speaker 1: a piece of evidence found after the property room was destroyed.
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Speaker 1: Can it give us answers in the Selena's case. Courtney
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Speaker 1: described the store for me as best you know it.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's been a really quaint part of galaston
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Speaker 1: the thing I noticed when we drove off. It's surrounded
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Speaker 1: by these light colored, pink green yellow houses. A really
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Speaker 1: sweet neighborhood, just a few blocks from the waterfront from
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Speaker 1: the Gulf, and it's just a nice neighborhood. It's bordered
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Speaker 1: up now, but it was a white corner store. And
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Speaker 1: the tape, when you look at it, the thing that
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Speaker 1: struck me and the detective. I think she was most
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Speaker 1: surprised that I asked her, what was the one thing
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Speaker 1: about this tape that really surprised you? And it's as
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Speaker 1: the detective is starting the video when he goes up
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Speaker 1: and he's outside of the tape, you see the yellow
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Speaker 1: crime scene tape and you see how many people are
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Speaker 1: gathered at this crime scene. It's just clear that they
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Speaker 1: knew Sylvia in this area and this part of Galveston,
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Speaker 1: and then she was well liked and people are shot.
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Speaker 1: It's the middle of the morning, it wasn't a dark
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Speaker 1: time of day, it wasn't a seedy area, and so
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Speaker 1: many friends and families just started to gather outside of
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Speaker 1: this crime scene. That's not something you see all the time.
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Speaker 1: I cover a lot of day to day crime. You
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Speaker 1: don't always see that Nancy. No, Usually people just keep
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Speaker 1: on going. Sylvia Selena's stabbed to death on Halloween at
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Speaker 1: the Selena's food store in Galveston. It was just one
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Speaker 1: a claw in the one pm hour, we think one twenty.
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Speaker 1: Somebody enters the store at one three. The silent alarm
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Speaker 1: is triggered. The first officer gets to the scene at
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Speaker 1: one seven. Understand the timeline. Just four minutes have passed
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Speaker 1: when the cop gets there and he finds Sylvia Selina's
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Speaker 1: dead behind the counter. Now we've managed to obtain some
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Speaker 1: of the facts. When the police report there were no
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Speaker 1: defensive wounds on her foe arms, her hands, or her wrists.
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Speaker 1: One stab wound on her chest, and a knife about
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Speaker 1: ten inches long was found near her body. And I
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Speaker 1: want to get back to that knife, jos got Morgan
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Speaker 1: remind me, I want to circle back to the knife.
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Speaker 1: The knife is found there on the site, very unusual.
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Speaker 1: Beside coins and food stamps. The cash register was empty. Sylvia,
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Speaker 1: listen to this. This is another clue. Did not press
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Speaker 1: the silent alarm. It went off because the purp took
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Speaker 1: money from the register. He probably had to use something,
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Speaker 1: maybe that knife, to pry it open and interesting. She
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Speaker 1: had a gun and a machete under the counter, she
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Speaker 1: never touched them. Did she know the killer? She was
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Speaker 1: sitting on her stool behind the counter when she was stabbed.
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Speaker 1: What happened? Who murdered this beautiful young woman? Sylvia Selinas Tipline,
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Speaker 1: was sitting behind the register when she was stabbed in
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Speaker 1: the heart. The killer's footprints, the bloody knife, that very
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Speaker 1: very large knife, never seen by the public until now.
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Speaker 1: Investigators say the killer bride open the register with the
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Speaker 1: murder weapon, then stole all the cash. Selena's didn't fight,
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Speaker 1: It appeared very personal, never grabbed the pistol or machete
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Speaker 1: she kept close by, which is one detectives things she
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Speaker 1: knew and trusted her killer. But nobody really stuck as
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Speaker 1: a suspect. We are not letting it go. It's often
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Speaker 1: said justice never sleeps. That may very well be true
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Speaker 1: in the case of Sylvia's Selenas and her brutal murder
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Speaker 1: with me, her brother, Derlas, her niece. Maria BBC thirteen
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter who has brought this story to life Courtney Fisher,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert Joe Scott Morgan and juvenile judge founder of
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Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. Ashley Wilcott, Drlas I almost
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Speaker 1: hate to go into the facts and the evidence with
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Speaker 1: you listening. When you hear us talking about the crime scene,
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Speaker 1: how how does that affect you? Well, it brings up
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Speaker 1: memories of that day. Um. I'm just looking for closure
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Speaker 1: for the family, especially for my daughters, because she's real
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Speaker 1: close to both my daughters and uh, they spent a
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Speaker 1: lifetime together and they need closure. Also. You know Maria,
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Speaker 1: Maria Baker with me here was Sylvia's niece. Is that true?
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Speaker 1: Were you very close to Sylvia? I was very Um.
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Speaker 1: I lived in Galveston until I was seven and moved
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Speaker 1: to pere Land with my mom at that time, but
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Speaker 1: I would still go down every single weekend, um to
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Speaker 1: spend with my grandparents and my aunt, Sylvia, and I
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Speaker 1: grew up in that store. I was there every day. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, my aunt was amazing. She spent a lot
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Speaker 1: of time with me and it we just want answers
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Speaker 1: and we want justice for her. She did not deserve this.
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Speaker 1: I think it's very clear that working theory to Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, forensics expert, is that she knew the person
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Speaker 1: the perpetrator, either a regular customer or a a personal
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Speaker 1: friend or acquaintance because it's off of and said she
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Speaker 1: would not let anybody behind the behind the count unless
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Speaker 1: she knew that person. Um. It took Derla Sealinas many
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Speaker 1: many years to go back since Sealinas was murdered, and
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Speaker 1: that takes a toll on crime victims. Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about forensics and the new DNA development since
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Speaker 1: Sylvia was murdered. For instance, we know there are footprints,
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Speaker 1: bloody footprints. It sounds like the O. J. Simpson murder
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Speaker 1: scene where Nicole and run were killed and police were
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Speaker 1: able to get footprints and new for a fact, they
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Speaker 1: matched up to a pair of Bruno Molly's shoes that
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Speaker 1: can be identified the make and style problem. Years have
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Speaker 1: passed and I doubt those shoes are still in somebody's
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Speaker 1: closet or in the possession of the purp like Simpson
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Speaker 1: still had the Molly's. But what about the bloody knife.
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Speaker 1: That's highly unusual, Joe Scott Morgan for the murder weapon
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Speaker 1: to be left right there at the scene. You know.
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Speaker 1: One of the things when you first mentioned that, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: for me, at least, when you said that it was
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Speaker 1: left by the sink. Uh, one of the things that
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Speaker 1: kind of shot into my mind was, well, had this
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Speaker 1: had this crime been perpetrated and then the individual was
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Speaker 1: going to attempt to wash the knife? All? Wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know it was by a sink, I said,
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Speaker 1: the scene, is that what, Courtney? Was there a sink? No,
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Speaker 1: it was at the scene. It was right there, right
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Speaker 1: by the cash register, just a few feet away. It's
23:28
Speaker 1: on the video. It's crazy, okay, Joe Scott. That tells
23:31
Speaker 1: me a lot. For instance, let's compare it to cases
23:34
Speaker 1: everybody's familiar with, like the Robert Blake case. The murder
23:37
Speaker 1: weapon is found very close to the dead body because
23:42
Speaker 1: the perpetrator could not flee with it, break it down
23:46
Speaker 1: and and distribute it in different places, or hide it.
23:49
Speaker 1: So what does it mean that the perpetrators, the killer,
23:53
Speaker 1: Sylvia's killer, chose to leave it at the scene rather
23:57
Speaker 1: than take it and discard it get rid of it. Well, yeah,
24:02
Speaker 1: I was thinking that that potentially this was something that
24:05
Speaker 1: was done in a fever. For instance, we've already we
24:09
Speaker 1: already know, uh per the report, that the knife may
24:14
Speaker 1: have been used to probably open uh probably open to
24:17
Speaker 1: cash cash rusher get access to the moneys that we're
24:20
Speaker 1: in there. As you stated, the silent alarm was tripped
24:24
Speaker 1: at that point in time, and had it when did
24:27
Speaker 1: it happen at that point in time? Did the person
24:30
Speaker 1: just place the knife down and then rush out because
24:34
Speaker 1: they were fearful of being caught. Remember this was done
24:37
Speaker 1: in the broad daylight, in the daylight, and uh, we
24:41
Speaker 1: know what it says to me, Joe Scott, it says
24:43
Speaker 1: to me he did not want First of all, we
24:46
Speaker 1: know it's a man. Okay, this type of a statistically,
24:50
Speaker 1: this type of a crime is is conducted by a
24:55
Speaker 1: mail Why I don't know. That's for the shrinks to
24:58
Speaker 1: figure out. But I'm going to with the most likely
25:01
Speaker 1: scenario that a man did this. I wonder if the
25:04
Speaker 1: whole neighborhood was canvas just who they saw in there.
25:07
Speaker 1: There were no surveillance cameras that caught him. So let's
25:12
Speaker 1: just say man. Number first question to me to Duralus
25:16
Speaker 1: Selena Sylvia's brother, was the knife already in the store
25:21
Speaker 1: or did the bring the knife in? I don't recall
25:25
Speaker 1: there ever being a knife. I just remember the machete
25:30
Speaker 1: she kept under the counter, but I do not remember
25:33
Speaker 1: that knife that I saw, So that knife most likely
25:36
Speaker 1: was brought in um to Courtney Fisher, ABC thirteen investigative reporter.
25:43
Speaker 1: Is the knife still in the property collection or is
25:48
Speaker 1: it gone? That was obviously my first question, Nancy. The
25:52
Speaker 1: VHS tape meant meant they had hope the detective that
25:55
Speaker 1: she'd be going to go back to the evidence room
25:57
Speaker 1: try and see if that knife was there, didn't have
26:01
Speaker 1: forensic evidence that maybe back then couldn't have been picked up.
26:05
Speaker 1: They're looking at resubmitting it, and they're looking to see
26:08
Speaker 1: if that knife still exists. That's a huge question though, Well,
26:12
Speaker 1: I mean, they still don't know if then i've exists.
26:15
Speaker 1: She doesn't know if it's in the evidence room or
26:18
Speaker 1: it's been destroyed. She has to go back. This is
26:20
Speaker 1: her first look at the case. So she found the
26:23
Speaker 1: VHS tape in a different area. Okay, who first of all,
26:26
Speaker 1: who is she? Who is she the detective on the case,
26:30
Speaker 1: the cold case detective. Okay, so I know it sounds
26:34
Speaker 1: like a simple thing, but property rooms are stuffed full
26:39
Speaker 1: from floor to ceiling and they're usually very big, and
26:43
Speaker 1: that is very difficult. Also, if you're going through evidence
26:48
Speaker 1: in other cases, you've got to be very careful because
26:52
Speaker 1: down the road, when you're trying those cases, somebody will say, hey,
26:55
Speaker 1: this has been tampered with. Somebody's been digging through this.
26:59
Speaker 1: So you've got to be super careful when you're looking
27:01
Speaker 1: for things. But they gotta get on that. Joe Scott, Morgan,
27:05
Speaker 1: forensics expert, what can we learn from the knife? I mean,
27:09
Speaker 1: what if there are prints on there? What if the
27:13
Speaker 1: purps DNA is on there? Because Joe Scott, you know
27:16
Speaker 1: when you stab somebody very often, this is so unusual.
27:21
Speaker 1: The first time I heard it, I didn't believe it.
27:23
Speaker 1: The knife can slip and the perp can get cut
27:28
Speaker 1: as well or d N A what about it? Yeah, yeah,
27:32
Speaker 1: and you'll have this co mingling of DNA and also
27:35
Speaker 1: the co mingland just from a sterological standpoint where you're
27:38
Speaker 1: doing blood typing on an individual where you'll have a
27:41
Speaker 1: mix of the blood say a B pause, oh pause,
27:44
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and then you break it down
27:46
Speaker 1: further into this idea of um of of d N
27:51
Speaker 1: A one thing that that kind of strikes me about
27:54
Speaker 1: this case, Nancy. As you well know, sharp force injuries
27:58
Speaker 1: generally are manytimes. You'll see things like overkill. They'll be
28:03
Speaker 1: very passionate because they're up close and personal. Nancy. This
28:06
Speaker 1: is apparently a single stab wound that occurred, and I
28:10
Speaker 1: have to admit it was a UM Unfortunately it was
28:16
Speaker 1: zeroed in on target. They're saying that this this poor
28:19
Speaker 1: woman was actually struck in her heart. Uh. And contrary
28:24
Speaker 1: to what people think, UH, this is uh. You're not
28:28
Speaker 1: automatically going to die if you're stabbed a single time.
28:31
Speaker 1: This seems like that the individual was up close personal
28:35
Speaker 1: enough to be able to place this hard, this this
28:38
Speaker 1: weapon into her heart specifically. So you're gonna have a
28:41
Speaker 1: lot of evidence that that uh, not only goes to
28:45
Speaker 1: the physical tie backs. I got another question for you
28:48
Speaker 1: about this thought. But about this thought, Astley Wilcott, you've
28:51
Speaker 1: tried to Tony cases. The building is still standing, you know,
28:56
Speaker 1: if there is blood spatter. If there, I know it
29:01
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but it's happened before. Do you think there's
29:05
Speaker 1: any chance of still getting any evidence, any blood evidence,
29:10
Speaker 1: or any other evidence from the scene. So I you know,
29:14
Speaker 1: I'm not a forensics expert. But let me tell you this, Nancy,
29:17
Speaker 1: this cold case, honestly, to me, has so much potential
29:22
Speaker 1: evidence that I believe two things in all cases. Number One,
29:25
Speaker 1: what goes around comes around, and I believe in our
29:28
Speaker 1: justice system, and so absolutely there's an opportunity with the
29:32
Speaker 1: building still standing to see is there any evidence that remains,
29:36
Speaker 1: and you've got so many pieces of evidence in this
29:40
Speaker 1: The thing that that I really noticed when you talk
29:42
Speaker 1: about the videotape is the fact that you can see
29:45
Speaker 1: how these people outside of the store, in combination with
29:49
Speaker 1: Maria is saying I grew up in the store and
29:52
Speaker 1: I you know, we'd see the same faces already. You
29:55
Speaker 1: have this pool of people to look back at the
29:58
Speaker 1: pictures and who was there, the bill things standing, to
30:00
Speaker 1: look at any evidence that survived. This is a good
30:04
Speaker 1: cold case to work, so to speak. I'm just jump in, Jaralus,
30:09
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I do recall when I looked at the
30:14
Speaker 1: video and I look, you know, I saw the knife
30:18
Speaker 1: on the video. It looks similar to a knife that
30:24
Speaker 1: we used to have in the store because we had
30:26
Speaker 1: a meat market, the small meat market in the back,
30:30
Speaker 1: and I had the bowing knife and the other knife
30:33
Speaker 1: that I used to cut the meat up with. And
30:38
Speaker 1: I remember when my sister started with us that, you know,
30:42
Speaker 1: UH working at the store, that we did keep a
30:48
Speaker 1: knife behind the counter at that time because we didn't
30:53
Speaker 1: have guns. You know, we didn't have any guns at
30:57
Speaker 1: at the store, so we'd have some type of protect
31:00
Speaker 1: and UH would keep it a knife similar to that
31:05
Speaker 1: behind the counter. But the investigation said there was only
31:09
Speaker 1: a partial print left on the knife. So that means
31:12
Speaker 1: somebody had to wipe that knife. If it was one
31:14
Speaker 1: of our regular knives we kept, there would have been
31:17
Speaker 1: prints all over the nights. Interesting. Did you hear that
31:19
Speaker 1: the investigator said there was only a partial print left
31:23
Speaker 1: on the knife. Did you hear that, Joe Scott a
31:25
Speaker 1: partial print? I mean, in this day and age, I
31:28
Speaker 1: don't even know for sure if Aphists was up and
31:32
Speaker 1: working in its entirety at that time, and even if
31:36
Speaker 1: it was, if this particular perp has committed a crime
31:39
Speaker 1: since then, I guarantee you he has. Okay, he may
31:44
Speaker 1: not have had his fingerprint in apist, but now he may. Yeah,
31:48
Speaker 1: because back then, Nancy and I was right in the
31:51
Speaker 1: heart of my career at that moment, Tom Uh are
31:55
Speaker 1: the aphist was not as sophisticated as it is now.
31:58
Speaker 1: And yeah, I believe that someone that would perpetrate this
32:01
Speaker 1: kind of violence. Uh, there's you know, I have no
32:05
Speaker 1: doubt that the individual would at least now be in
32:07
Speaker 1: the system. One more thing about the knife, if I
32:10
Speaker 1: can just address it very briefly, This knife and all
32:14
Speaker 1: of the blood related evidence here Nancy, uh that they've collected. Um,
32:19
Speaker 1: these are biologics. So if they have not been stored correctly,
32:23
Speaker 1: we were talking about surviving the hurricane. I'm from New Orleans.
32:26
Speaker 1: I'm aware of what happens in the evidence rooms. They're
32:28
Speaker 1: like a living, breathing entity and on a scary and
32:31
Speaker 1: a scary way. Um, these things break down very easily.
32:37
Speaker 1: So this knife, if it's in there, has to have
32:39
Speaker 1: been um really protected, and I'm hoping that it hasn't
32:44
Speaker 1: been compromised as far as whatever biological evidence has been
32:47
Speaker 1: left behind. Well, if there's a partial print, I mean
32:49
Speaker 1: already we have two clues for the new detective in
32:53
Speaker 1: the cold case squad to go on the potential blood
32:57
Speaker 1: on the knife. The well, there's three. A partial print,
33:01
Speaker 1: if it's resubmitted to APHIS could very well get a
33:05
Speaker 1: hit now in two thousand eighteen. And not only that
33:11
Speaker 1: the footprints in the blood. But the thing is, do
33:15
Speaker 1: we have the photo of the footprints and do we
33:18
Speaker 1: have the knife? I mean, I've got a lot of
33:21
Speaker 1: hope based on that partial print. Take a listen to this.
33:26
Speaker 1: About twenty men were interviewed, all of them eliminated as
33:29
Speaker 1: the murderer, but fingerprints were found at the scene, and
33:33
Speaker 1: Preserve Detective Michelle Sollenberger says now she plans to resubmit
33:37
Speaker 1: those prints. Of the family is actually always the driving
33:41
Speaker 1: force in these cases to get some sort of closure
33:43
Speaker 1: for the family. So I'm hopeful tipline Galveston Crime Stoppers
33:48
Speaker 1: four zero nine seven six three eight four seven seven
33:52
Speaker 1: repeat four zero nine seven six three eight four seven seven,
33:58
Speaker 1: Please hell us solve the mystery surrounding the death of
34:03
Speaker 1: a beautiful young woman, Sylvia Selinas, working at the family
34:09
Speaker 1: owned store, a little grocery store seven eleven convenience type
34:14
Speaker 1: store in a very quiet and quaint neighborhood, Galveston. Her
34:20
Speaker 1: family wants answers and can you blame them with me?
34:25
Speaker 1: Courtney Fletcher, ABC thirteen, Joe's Got Morgan, Ashley Wilcott Maria Baker,
34:31
Speaker 1: Sylvia's niece, and Dulas Selina's her brother Dulas. Over the
34:38
Speaker 1: years since Sylvia was murdered, do you feel that she
34:42
Speaker 1: has tried to communicate with you? Yes, I do, in
34:46
Speaker 1: a sense, I feel something. I'm not sure what it
34:50
Speaker 1: is or what I'm experiencing. It's so hard to describe it.
34:56
Speaker 1: It's a feeling within you. It's inside of you that
35:07
Speaker 1: like she's pleading for help, Darlis. I know that a
35:13
Speaker 1: lot of people would dismiss this, but I really believe
35:20
Speaker 1: that family members and those that love someone that's been
35:25
Speaker 1: murdered have as in lack of a better term, hunches,
35:30
Speaker 1: But in my mind, hunches are ideas that are created
35:36
Speaker 1: by the inexplainable, the inexplicable, for instance, something you may
35:41
Speaker 1: have seen, heard, felt, observed. What is your best theory
35:50
Speaker 1: about what happened to your sister? I feel that there's
35:55
Speaker 1: someone that she knew and trusted from the evidence they have.
36:03
Speaker 1: Knowing my sister and what she's gone through, you know
36:07
Speaker 1: in her life, she's very cautious and you cannot approach
36:13
Speaker 1: my my sister that way. Uh, but she'll keep a
36:18
Speaker 1: stranger at a distance, even if it's a customer and
36:21
Speaker 1: she does not know you, you're not going to get
36:24
Speaker 1: close to her. And that's because she had some bad experiences,
36:28
Speaker 1: you know, as a young girl. She was unfortunately beaten
36:35
Speaker 1: and raped my individual, So she didn't have very much
36:41
Speaker 1: trust to men at all. The only people she trusted
36:46
Speaker 1: before had to be a real close friend or family
36:49
Speaker 1: like her brothers, her grandpa of her I mean her dad,
36:54
Speaker 1: my dad. Uh, there's no ways to get close to her.
37:00
Speaker 1: She willn't allow it from what what what what happened
37:04
Speaker 1: to her in the past. So I feel it had
37:08
Speaker 1: to be an individual that you were really well, because
37:12
Speaker 1: my sister would not turn her back to anyone unless
37:15
Speaker 1: she felt comfortable with that individual. I listenly feel that
37:22
Speaker 1: it's someone she knows and she trusted. There's you know,
37:28
Speaker 1: certain things happened the day before, and I think we're
37:32
Speaker 1: going to bring it to the a tension of the
37:34
Speaker 1: police department. We we found out later, uh, and we
37:41
Speaker 1: have a an appointment with them and we're going to
37:45
Speaker 1: disclose that to them. Also we didn't know about certain
37:48
Speaker 1: things are starting to come out. People are starting to
37:51
Speaker 1: say certain things now they're reluctant to say or they
37:56
Speaker 1: didn't want to get involved. So we're starting to a
38:00
Speaker 1: little bit more information that we didn't know back then
38:04
Speaker 1: and maybe just put some light on it. Are you
38:07
Speaker 1: afraid to divulge any of that to the listeners? Are
38:10
Speaker 1: you saving it? I prefer to say it because I
38:12
Speaker 1: don't want to jeopardize investigation beforehand. I preferred the police
38:21
Speaker 1: department to know it first. I agree. I agree, Maria Baker.
38:25
Speaker 1: What has been your theory? You were so close to
38:28
Speaker 1: Sylvia before her murder. I know my aunt personality, and
38:34
Speaker 1: she was tough. She we thowt her chase a grown
38:39
Speaker 1: man out of our store that had stole a bottle
38:41
Speaker 1: of wine, and she chased him down the street, you know,
38:47
Speaker 1: punched him in the face, a grown man, and grabbed
38:49
Speaker 1: her bottle of wine and told him don't ever steal
38:51
Speaker 1: from her. She was a tough, tough woman. She was
38:55
Speaker 1: not afraid of a man. She was not afraid of
38:58
Speaker 1: a woman. I know where she was positioned in the store,
39:03
Speaker 1: and seeing the video, there's no way someone could have
39:08
Speaker 1: done it from across the counter. They were behind the
39:12
Speaker 1: counter with her, and she did not allow just anyone
39:14
Speaker 1: behind the counter with her. It had to have been
39:17
Speaker 1: someone she trusted. A a top detective with the Galveston
39:24
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office, Detective Michelle Solemburger is on the case
39:29
Speaker 1: and reviewing it and working at with me Ashley Wilcott
39:33
Speaker 1: and Joseph Scott Morgan. Ashley, it's hard as a lawyer
39:38
Speaker 1: or detective to put a case back together again, but
39:41
Speaker 1: I know because I've had to do it, it can
39:44
Speaker 1: be done. And as a matter of fact, Ashley, when
39:47
Speaker 1: I did, we try. Let's just say that one case
39:49
Speaker 1: I was telling you about. I worked the case so hard.
39:53
Speaker 1: I ended up coming up with about seven or eight
39:57
Speaker 1: similar transactions where the same perpetrator would attack if at
40:04
Speaker 1: that time young males in the midtown Atlanta area, and
40:10
Speaker 1: many of them had never been prosecuted. I found victims
40:15
Speaker 1: of this guy who murdered an a p d S brother,
40:19
Speaker 1: victims of his all over that had moved away from
40:24
Speaker 1: the city after this. He had done horrible things to them,
40:28
Speaker 1: and I found them, and several of them actually testified
40:33
Speaker 1: at the second trial as similar transactions witnesses. So cases
40:39
Speaker 1: can be put back together again. It's very difficult, though,
40:43
Speaker 1: is that true, Ashley? Oh? I agree completely, um, and
40:47
Speaker 1: I see it as a judge that the amount of time,
40:49
Speaker 1: the amount of work that detectives, law enforcement prosecutors like
40:52
Speaker 1: yourself have to put into it can be very overwhelming. Right,
40:57
Speaker 1: It's going to absorb every bit of time that you
41:01
Speaker 1: have to do it. But in this particular case, there's
41:03
Speaker 1: so much good potential evidence. Yes, it's gonna take a
41:06
Speaker 1: lot of time, but we have valuable information about this victim.
41:11
Speaker 1: And you just said yourself, Nancy, that's how you broke
41:14
Speaker 1: a case. You found the victims, you found similar transactions.
41:18
Speaker 1: There's so much good information about this victim and the
41:21
Speaker 1: fact that she was tough and how she acted, and
41:24
Speaker 1: that she likely knew this killer. Put all of that
41:26
Speaker 1: together with all of these other clues. It's gonna take
41:29
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of work, but I think it's
41:31
Speaker 1: absolutely invaluable information to solve this cold case. Somebody knows
41:35
Speaker 1: what happened to her, you know, it's interesting and listening
41:38
Speaker 1: to Maria Baker and Derlas Selinas, I remember um, many
41:44
Speaker 1: many many years later, I was having a book signing,
41:48
Speaker 1: the first book I ever wrote, and I looked up.
41:53
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people standing there. I look
41:56
Speaker 1: in the back of the crowd. There was this beautiful
41:59
Speaker 1: blonde lady standing there. I looked at her face, her
42:02
Speaker 1: hair was different, but I recognized her. Her name was Katherine,
42:06
Speaker 1: and it was in the case I'm telling you about
42:09
Speaker 1: the murder victim's fiancee, and they had been on the
42:15
Speaker 1: back porch of his condo toasting at sunset because they
42:20
Speaker 1: had just gotten engaged, and the prop and his codefendant
42:25
Speaker 1: killed him and tried to kill her, and it had
42:29
Speaker 1: such a huge effect on her she never remarried. And
42:33
Speaker 1: I recall during the trial, Ashley, she had been wearing
42:38
Speaker 1: shoes um they're called Espa drills. They're very popular at
42:42
Speaker 1: that time. And I was so enmeshed in the case
42:46
Speaker 1: I drew and she had described to me running from
42:48
Speaker 1: the scene, And in my dream, I was running from
42:53
Speaker 1: the scene and I looked at and I was wearing
42:55
Speaker 1: the Espa drills that she was wearing at the time.
42:59
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is years have passed since Sylvia was murdered,
43:04
Speaker 1: but for Derlas and Maria, it's just as alive right
43:07
Speaker 1: now as it was then. Ashley, it is, and that's
43:13
Speaker 1: you're never going to forget a horrible murder of someone
43:18
Speaker 1: who's close to you. And it's like you said, and
43:21
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan said, every time there's any little reminder trigger,
43:25
Speaker 1: it floods back as if it was yesterday. And you're
43:28
Speaker 1: never going to forget the person's personality you had for
43:32
Speaker 1: them and everything about how you feel. Take a listen
43:35
Speaker 1: to this. The Selina's family that over here was grocery
43:39
Speaker 1: he is hopeful to bad memories are difficult to move past,
43:43
Speaker 1: but the good ones she had one of the biggest
43:46
Speaker 1: hearts always win. Christine Taylor never met her great aunt Sylvia.
43:50
Speaker 1: I hear lots of stories about her, but when she
43:52
Speaker 1: saw our stories digging into unsolved murders, to be honest,
43:56
Speaker 1: I figured it was a sign from my aunt Sylvia.
43:58
Speaker 1: She called of Salina's isn't forgotten? We got the hope
44:03
Speaker 1: that we needed to Courtney Fisher with ABC thirteen, their
44:07
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Courtney, what now. I think the main thing
44:13
Speaker 1: is to keep this case alive. Nancy, you need to
44:16
Speaker 1: follow up and stick with the detective and keep on
44:20
Speaker 1: them and ask them has the stuff been re submitted?
44:23
Speaker 1: You know, someone in the Sheriff's office actually has one
44:26
Speaker 1: of the top aphists investigators in the country who worked
44:30
Speaker 1: on the Robert Durst case. I've worked with him on
44:33
Speaker 1: other cases, and so he's the guy to keep on
44:37
Speaker 1: that fingerprint, that partial print, to see if there's a match. Um.
44:42
Speaker 1: But I think everybody is very hopeful that this case
44:45
Speaker 1: may not be cold for much longer. That to Durlas
44:49
Speaker 1: Salinas and Maria Baker. This is Sylvia's brother and Nace,
44:53
Speaker 1: who's very close to her. Dulas, When you went back
44:58
Speaker 1: to the family store and you looked around all this
45:04
Speaker 1: time you've been living in Hawaii, but you come back,
45:07
Speaker 1: what did that do to you? And how do you
45:10
Speaker 1: feel about the investigation? Now? Well, I was kind of shocked, hurt.
45:18
Speaker 1: I felt the pain. Uh, the pain seemed to magnify
45:22
Speaker 1: it because I saw the grief and the hurt and
45:25
Speaker 1: my parents and unfortunately I could feel their pain also
45:31
Speaker 1: plus my loss. It was overwhelming. Uh. I think it
45:35
Speaker 1: was overwhelming for the whole entire family. Uh. I walked
45:42
Speaker 1: in the store after, you know, the body was removed
45:46
Speaker 1: and I got back. Uh, I could feel my sister's
45:51
Speaker 1: presence inside the store, and she was and so calling
46:00
Speaker 1: out And I've never been able to filter that out properly.
46:07
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the feelings that I was feeling
46:12
Speaker 1: at the time inside the store and looking at that
46:16
Speaker 1: area where they found her body. Uh, I'll just still
46:22
Speaker 1: feel my sister's presence. But is it like, you know,
46:29
Speaker 1: different to mention different world. I can't explain it quite,
46:36
Speaker 1: but I could feel her presence and her soul still there.
46:40
Speaker 1: To Maria Baker, Maria, do you feel that over this
46:45
Speaker 1: time period since Sylvia was murdered, do you feel that
46:50
Speaker 1: she has tried to communicate anything to you? I do, Um.
46:55
Speaker 1: We were very close, and I have gone to the
46:58
Speaker 1: police station a few times, um as once I grew up, um,
47:03
Speaker 1: and just you know, really never got anywhere. Um. And
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