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• Luis: When we're back, we had some technical difficulties there due to the CIA ⁓ trying to stop us. But again, if you did not know, this podcast is currently banned in Russia. So, ⁓ Schlosser, well let's let's get into it. ⁓ we can't what what do you think? ⁓ give any advice? Holy shit, dude, I felt like Dennis there in the whole fucking when then when they have a podcast and in the always sunny has a podcast. So they're two wars. ⁓ Welcome to another amazing episode of the Hold Your Ground podcast. Sweet, I got the name right. Anyway, my name is Luis. I'm joined by Joe. I was gonna have for days I've been telling Joe that I'm working on a monologue. I've got it. I've got it. When your boy was just smoking pot, watching the NBA finals, nothing got done. So I don't have a monologue for you guys. Anyway, if you don't watch always sunny yeah, that reference is fucking lost on you. ⁓ But thankfully, Joe coming through like the great bambino clutch has got something ready to go. So Joe, why don't you tell us what's on your mind or what chaps you? We see here in Oregon an uptick in ICE detentions and everything. ⁓ do you have any suggestions, advice what people could be doing? ⁓ any i if if they have people in their immediate community that they're worried about or ⁓ just anything like that? Joe: Dude, so I don't really have anything ready to go, but there is this whole entire controversy that's going on right now with the band to End It, which is a Baltimore hardcore band, cause they fucking had some fucking Dort nerd in a banana suit show up and they were like John Schlosser: mean the okay, so the first thing is that if they have family, friends, whatever, acquaintances who are undocumented, and they haven't already, they should reach out Joe: Rip that guy's fucking suit off. Now everybody's like, ⁓ my God, you should never put your hands on anybody. Let's cancel fucking end it, right? Like, like people can't do the fucking mental arithmetic. Like maybe a fucking black dude doesn't want to sit there and stare at a fucking white guy dressed as a fucking banana. First off. Second off, it's pretty fucking wild to me that ⁓ the whole blowback on the internet, right? Amongst this fucking anti-racist, anti-fascist, hardcore kids, where apparently if you're a black dude who does something that they don't like, it's okay to John Schlosser: ⁓ to the Echo program. ⁓ you can reach out to Pueblo Nito PDX. they have an intake process to Joe: Fucking ⁓ you know, just be fucking racist and call the cops on that, right? ⁓ so it's fucking wild to me to peop see people like, you know, I don't know. I've seen I I'm not even gonna go into the fucking racist ass comments that I've seen, but it it's there's been a plethora of them, and it's also super fucking interesting to me to watch a bunch of ⁓ self-proclaimed fucking hardcore leftist fucking ACAB kids be like, you should file a lawsuit, you should call the cops and fucking file an assault. John Schlosser: basically you can get an a an immigration attorney, right, to review your case. I think Anybody who has an interest in actually staying I mean some look some of my clients, some of the people I meet, they don't care, right? They're like, I'm here to make some money for a while. If I get deported, I get deported, you know, fine. Okay, though fine. But if if people actually have an interest in staying here for a while, then there's no reason not to go through the process and talk to an attorney. I mean you might not you might get nowhere, right? You might have already been deported, you might not Joe: Charge and this, that, and the other, and that's an easy lawsuit. They're fucking get arrested for that. Like, get fucked. Do we talk to cops or don't we? Right? Like, I don't know. I don't fucking talk to cops. That's just something that's ingrained into me, right? And then it's also super interesting to me to see Punkerton Record records out of Columbus, Ohio, come out and be like, You should never put your hands on anybody. Fucking banana dork nerd is our fucking friend, and you owe him an apology. That fucking tracks when Columbus is one of the hotbeds for fucking Nazis roaming the fucking streets and making John Schlosser: be admittable. There could be lots of barriers in your way, but you don't know unless you go and actually talk to an attorney and you can do it for free. So I I don't see a reason why people shouldn't be telling everybody that they know to do that. it does I mean you can get put into pr immigration proceedings Joe: videos with zero opposition. To me, it just shows that punk rock and hardcore and even the skinhead subculture, all that shit, has been overrun with pussies. And it is the reason why we're seeing a resurgence of fucking boneheads and fucking Nazi scum in the fucking streets and at shows and shit like that. Because instead of fucking getting handled, people fucking I don't know, dude, they want to fucking good thought it away, right? This is fucking weird. It's like a bunch of fucking hippies with fucking spiky hair, dude. John Schlosser: and still be removed from the countr from the country, but that if you're in those immigration proceedings it doesn't mean that you can't come back, right? But it's next to impossible to get that going if you've if you've been deported and you haven't ⁓ like you're trying to like appeal the deportation when you've never been represented or had anything like that. Luis: Right, right, right. ⁓ you know you were around in the riots of the two thousands and you two thousand twenties and you defended a lot of activists. why do you think we're not seeing that kind of presence in the streets it ⁓ this time around? Joe: It's bullshit. Luis: ⁓ so first of all, cool. Second of all, I didn't know that people were still wearing ⁓ banana costumes in two thousand and twenty six, okay? So just so we're clear on the subject, are you pro banana or are you anti banana? Joe: Ha ha ha ha. Luis: And and the presence that we do see in the streets, we see a lot of people this time around taking deals rather than than f going the distance and fighting it out. Joe: ⁓ I am pro not being a bitch and not talking to cops. That's what I am pro. I am anti being a bitch and talking to cops. That worked? John Schlosser: Okay, well I have a definite thought on that. In large part because Luis: I kind of figure if you wear a banana suit and you go to a hardcore show, you're kind of looking for shit. As far as I give a shit, right? Like I mean, hardcore kids aren't known for being welcoming and pleasant. In fact, one of our friends ⁓ on that same tour got a broken jaw. A yeah. John Schlosser: difference one of the main differences I see between now and then is in law enforcement and who's prosecuting, right? For the most part, the peop it seems to me that the people who are getting arrested and charged are getting charged in federal court, as opposed to state court, right? ⁓ because things are happening down at the ICE protests and, you know, whatever. As opposed to like, you know, out in front of the Justice Center or something like that. federal court is Joe: Yeah, Ryan. It's super fucking funny me though, right? 'Cause like there was a fucking other end it show where a banana guy showed up however fucking long ago it was and they did the same shit, like fuck that banana, get ⁓ the fuck out of here. John Schlosser: Pretty onerous. It's it's it carries frequently ⁓ far more significant penalties than the charges you would get in state court. And the I I think that's a large part of it. I think the just the pressure of having federal charges versus state state court charges. Joe: You know, I mean there was some other fuck I don't I don't fucking really like hardcore. You know what I mean? So it's not something that I follow really. It's not my fucking gem. I'm an old man. I don't need super fucking death fucking D-beat fucking you know, it's just not my fucking thing. but you know, I got I I have a video on my phone of another fucking hardcore band where they had a banana man and a fucking Kool-Aid guy, and they said, Everybody's gotta kill these two, make them fight to the death. This isn't over till Luis: Do you think it goes back to maybe, ⁓ like maybe even to banana guy here that we opened the show with that maybe just Joe: One of them's fucking dead. You know what I mean? It's a fucking it's how people talk. It's fucking wild to me too because I have while I don't like hardcore, I have been to hardcore shows. Luis: Ultimately there's a group of b cowards within the left that like don't want to do the necessary to get freedom. Who does that look for? Joe: And like watching the video of fucking banana dork get fucking pushed around a little bit. Like I've literally been fucking knocked around harder just standing there. You know what I mean? With some dork crowd killing. Like some people grabbed at him and shit and that was it. You know, and they went to fucking doing their fucking I don't know, dude, starting fucking invisible lawnmowers and fucking ⁓ you know, karate fighting the fucking air and shit. I don't know. John Schlosser: Well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say cowards, but I mean I think probably in any larger amorphous group there are going to be people who are less courageous, I guess if you wanna say, than others, right? I don't know. the I don't know. It's it's possible. I mean it certainly seems like the people that are down there at the ICE protests in in Portland now are not the same a lot of ⁓ are not the same people that were out in twenty twenty. ⁓ and ⁓ but I mean to some extent I think that's disenfranchisement by the people who were protesting in twenty twenty. Right? w Luis: Personally, dude, the idea of Kool-Aid guy and a banana guy running ones is fucking so enticing to me. I'm like, yeah, bro. Like, let's watch him run ones. I mean, fuck, bro. You know, the nineties had bum fights. Why don't we have clown fights in 2026, bro? We'll just go to hardcore shows and we'll find fucking ridiculous kids in costumes and just pit him against one of each other and be like, you guys either fight or no one goes home. Joe: Right. John Schlosser: are there clear goals like we tried like you know, we had to rally around back then. I mean, ICE is one thing, right? But we're not out there ⁓ raising shit about, you know, George Floyd and stuff like we were back then, you know? but the it seems like it's different people and to some extent might be younger people who know that Joe: Yeah. Ha ha ha. Luis: Fucking B you either fight or no one goes. Joe: It's just I don't know, man. It's fucking I'm down with it, dude. But the whole situation is fucking goofy to me. And it does like it shows me So one of the things that I consistently, you've heard me say it fucking nine million times, Luis, and I'm sure you're fucking sick of hearing me saying it, but probably not. But like I'm I'm here for the complete fucking destruction of white supremacy, right? Like I don't give a fuck about a guy in a fucking banana suit. I don't give a fuck about a guy in a banana suit getting fucking tossed around a little bit. But then to fucking make such a big fucking deal over that. Luis: Yeah. Amen. John Schlosser: what ICE is fucking doing and the the government's doing is wrong, right? And they wanna get involved, but they don't have anybody to guide them. Maybe. I don't know. Luis: What do you think about that, Joe? Joe: So I c I can see that, right? I I think that there's a lot of people out that are well intentioned. ⁓ I think that there's also a lot of people are out just because it's the cool thing to do to be out or they wanna fucking get social media clout and get a bunch of followers on the TikToks or whatever. But I do I do have to agree with what ⁓ John was saying there that there's a bunch of people who just don't have the guidance. So one of the things that I do wanna bring up, ⁓ real quick and overlook all of the other fuck shit that happens on the regular at these fucking shows, which people are gonna be like, we don't do that, we keep our scene clean. That's bullshit. Like I'm I mean I fucking go out. I see it happen firsthand. You know what happens when Nazis show up? I get a fucking tap on the shoulder and they're like, hey, there's a Nazi here every fucking time, dude. Luis: There's a phone. There's a Nazi at the bus stop in seventeenth in Burnside. Somebody should go handle it. Joe: Every fucking time, dude. So like and it I don't know dude. So like I made a post on our fucking hold your ground Instagram about this shit, right? For anybody who's listening to us when it comes to guidance, you know, protesting on ice is one thing, going to your No Kings parade is one thing, but if you really want to do shit that makes a fucking solid difference, so there are local networks that are set up all over the place, right? Like I'm a part of one here and I'm not gonna say the name of it because the people who need to know about it fucking know about it, right? And what we do is And it's kind of funny because like people are all sorts of pissed off about it where I'm like, like, you don't you don't even know what the fuck hardcore is, stay out of it. And I'm like, ⁓ dope. So is hardcore then like calling the cops and being racist? Cause that's what this post is about, right? Like, I mean, I don't think that just because a dude in a band does something that you don't fucking like or don't agree with, that that gives you fucking carte blanche to be a racist cunt. Luis: Mean I've often said the the the litness test for for racism in the left is be a person of color with your own thoughts. Right? And and see how well that goes for you, right? ⁓ how many times have I been ⁓ at an action where I've seen white leftists call black right wingers the N word? How is that fucking okay? Right? ⁓ you can't like Joe: First off, if ICE is in the area, there's a fucking alert that's put out. There's people that are designated ⁓ to let, you know, a bunch of the of the Latino community know that ICE is in the area and it's also put out on a secure server and then we'll monitor, we'll document things of that nature, and that's as far as I'll go into that ⁓ on online. Word. Right. But then one of the things that we do that's really cool too is that if somebody has a court date that they have to go to, or whether it's r immigration related or not, you have people that will go with that person to court. Not as a representative, not as a translator, not as a bodyguard, but as somebody who's there. Luis: You can call him so much other stuff. ⁓ but I think I think that's our take on on fucking old banana guy there. ⁓ I got something I got something new for for us right now. Hold on here. Joe: to make sure that if anything happens, if Ice comes and does a fucking snatch and grab like they like to do, at least there's somebody there to number one, be in the way. And number two Luis: This next guest. He's known around the world. He wanted his own theme song before he came on. Joe: to make sure that it's fucking documented and people are gonna know what's going on so that that person's story can get out so that advocates can try to help. Right. And I think that's something that is so overlooked. And this is something that I say all the time, once again, where I say everybody focuses on things on a national level, right? Because everybody wants to be the fucking boss. Everybody wants to go down in the fucking history books. And what they end up doing is that they overlook things where they can make Your fucking name in my phone is getting changed to La Chrona, dude. Just letting you know. John Schlosser: Ha ha ha ha Luis: He's an educated white guy on the outside. He's a drunken Latina lady on the inside. Okay? And now I would like to introduce not only a friend, but a person who I think of as family. And an attorney extraordinaire, Jonathan Schlosser. Jon is part of the Oregon Criminal Defense Lawyers Association. He is also an OSB House of Delegates. He's a member of Ogla. Joe: A significant impact in their direct community. We need people to be community focused and oriented and say, okay, I can I'm not I'm not gonna make a difference on immigration reform on a fucking national level, but I can help the people in my community every single fucking day, right? Luis: And he belongs both to MBA and OLS. He's a board member of the following groups the Columbia County Legal Aid, Pueblo Unido PDX, as well as Multnomah County Community Health Center. He also, in his own words, and he told me to say this part right here, he also occasionally collaborates with Joe: And one of the other cool things too that I want to say with like the network and that kind of stuff is that, you know, okay, cool, you got ice in the area. You got people that are scared to leave their house, man. They don't want to go to the grocery store or pick up their kids from school. How hard is it to go to the grocery store and pick up some fucking groceries and go drop it off for somebody so that they can be safe in their home? Luis: The OJRC, which is the Oregon Justice Resource Center, in civil rights cases, winning me a cash sum from Joseph Gibson that I cannot disclose how much. Please give a warm hold your ground podcast. Fucking welcome to the one, the only Jonathan Schlosser. Hold on, wait. Joe: You know what mean? How hard is it to set up a carpool when I'm going to pick up my kid and grab a couple other kids and fucking take an extra ten minutes and drop some people off so that number one, the kid's not walking the street the street fucking unattended with the fucking ice in the neighborhood and their parents aren't out and about risking everything to pick up their fucking child. You know what I mean? John Schlosser: Yeah, it is. Luis: Well, you know what? Let me let me counter that with it's really hard, bro. It's really hard because it's not sexy. Okay? And it requires some kind of commitment. It's much easier for me to be at an action with the camera in my hand. Okay. It's much easier for me to be on the TikToks or to have my own podcast. ⁓ a and and and tell people to want to do, right? Like it's like you say a lot. Hey, John. John Schlosser: Hey. ⁓ good guys, so now I just wanna throw a chunk low though. Joe: Well that's it, right? Ha ha ha. ⁓ Luis: Is that is that a black parry you're wearing? John Schlosser: It's ⁓ black, charcoal black, whatever. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Luis: ⁓ is that blue piping? I like it. Yeah, it looks nice. When'd you get that? John Schlosser: Did you just did you say Ple Pueblo Unidos? I think you did. Luis: I said Pueblo Unido. Everybody wants to be a quarterback, nobody wants to be a lineman. You know what I'm saying? Everybody wants to be a receiver, nobody wants to be a fucking a r ⁓ a a fullback. ⁓ John Schlosser: Okay. Luis: I don't care dude, one colonizer language for another one. I don't give a shit, dude. Joe: Word. John Schlosser: Ha ha ha. Joe: Mas putalas ingara, wey nunca la vería se donde... Eres tu pinche clero! words. So like in the words of my daughter's Montessori teacher when she was young. So Miss Linda, if you're listening to this, this is something that fucking stuck with me. It's still it's still it's it it will stick with me forever. Right? She used to sing a song that w the lyrics to her, It's a lot when we all do a little. Right? So if we all stay community minded Luis: Eins, zwei, drei, dun dun dun. You know, so when I was little, I did not like mariachi music because I fucking hated umpa music. And to me, the bass lines are very, very similar. Right? Joe: Ha ha ha. John Schlosser: Pretty cl it's pretty similar. Luis: Yeah, it really is. So how are you doing today? ⁓ what are you doing? You're you're sitting around? ⁓ any legal breakthroughs on the horizon? Joe: and do a little bit to help. When enough of us do it, it equals a lot. John Schlosser: Hmm. Luis: In the words of my lawyer when asked if it was okay if I could beat up a racist drunkenly at three in the morning in Vegas, he said be safe. I started watching this fool I started re watching this fool again. John Schlosser: Same old shit. Yeah. Luis: So I've gotten to the second season again and the episodes that I hated I find funny, but my critique on the show still stands. They fucking did not give a shit about writing in season two. ⁓ have you seen that show, Joe? This fool? I think that there's a lot to learn from both quotes right there. Right? Joe: Word. No, I agree a hundred percent, right? But I I know I keep I'm I'm talking in a loop here, right? ⁓ but this is something that I really want to fucking drive home to people, dude. And I don't want to be a teacher, I'm not somebody to be looked up to or anything like that. I'm a fucking dirtbag piece of shit, just like anybody else, right? But the thing that I have found. What show? No. Luis: ⁓ bro, you should you you have Hulu, you should watch it. Joe: I don't have Hulu, I don't have anything. Luis: ⁓ you can't watch it then. Joe: I don't have Hulu or Netflix or fucking Amazon. I don't have any of that shit because I ref I I made a fucking choice a while back where I refused to I know it doesn't matter with my fucking ten dollars a month or whatever, but I refuse to fucking give these corporate o oligarch fucking dickheads ⁓ a cent of my money that I don't need to. And quite frankly, I'm good without watching a bunch of bullshit on the TV. You know, I was fucking found that I was paying like a hundred dollars a month for fucking Netflix and Amazon and fucking Disney Plus. Is that when you focus small, aim small, miss small, right? When you fucking focus on the community that you're a part of, you can make a difference and we need people to do that. You know what I mean? And that On on an ice level, that's on a fucking humanitarian level. It's on a fucking everything level, right? You don't have to have a bunch of money or fucking a bunch of flashy shit or, you know, be fucking super courageous. Stop and have a fucking conversation with a homeless dude, right? Because at the end of the day, people want to be fucking acknowledged as human beings. You know what I mean? Even if you can't afford to fucking go buy somebody a fucking meal, sit and have a fucking chat for fucking five minutes. And Hulu and fucking sling and all this bullshit. And all I ever did with it was have it on for fucking background noise. Luis: That's why you get like ESPN and you throw Sports Center on. You get everything you need. Joe: I would rather fucking swan dive into a fucking running lawnmower. Yeah. So anyways, John Luis: ⁓ all right, then we're not gonna talk about the NBA finals today. ⁓ big things that happened there. I guess not, huh? ⁓ Joe: And make them feel like they're a fucking like they're worthy of being fucking talked to, right? Show up for your fucking community when ICE is in the area. Go grab some fucking groceries or go fucking take a trip to court if you got the time and fucking accompany somebody to make sure that at least if they're fucking grabbed that they're gonna be safe. John Schlosser: Ha ha ha. Joe: Yeah, yeah. Nobody Go ahead, sorry. Luis: No, so John and I met many, many moons ago when the state said that I had committed crimes and I said tickle my taint. So they gave me that little free piece of paper and they said, Here's your lawyer. And I was like, Cool, I'm gonna get another lop, right? So I go downtown, fucking Joe: Right. Fucking food stamps are cut, you got a bunch of extra food, fucking by all means get after it. And a little fucking pro tip, something that I learned, a little hack in the system, most people don't want a fucking handout. John Schlosser: Yep. Joe: Right. And that's what they view it when you try to feed them or fucking give them fucking ten bucks or something like that. Right. So one of the things that I did that was super dope this last year when Snap benefits were cut, ⁓ is I went onto my community Facebook page. I said, Hey, you know, I'm meal prepping for the week and I'm kinda new to meal prepping and I'm kinda fucking stupid. And so, you know Luis: Hit the button, go into this office, and what do I see, dude? But I see the secretary who's ready to pop, bro, with pregnancy. She had a little, I would say quadruplets in the tumtum, bacon. Right? Yeah, dude, I would say, dude, she she and and I see and I see an office full of fucking boxes, stacks. And I'm sitting there with a person who will not be named. John Schlosser: She only had one. Joe: I'm making fucking bean and cheese burritos or whatever the fuck I was making and I was supposed to make five and I have like twenty. Anyone fucking need something 'cause this shit's gonna go to waste. Luis: And and and I see him. And if you don't know Schlosser, if you're not watching on the YouTubes right now, he looks a lot like the lead singer of a band called the Redskins. Okay? And and when I went in, John had his sleeves rolled up to his elbows so I could see his cool tattoos. And he's got cool tattoos. And I sat down and the white lady I was with pretended like she was in charge, but she wasn't. Joe: The amount of fucking calls and messages I got were insane because people didn't feel like it was a handout. They were helping out so shit didn't go to waste and they needed the fucking food. And what that did was that opened up conversation going forward. Cause I have a little food pantry in my fucking garage, right? Where it was like, okay, cool. So yeah, no, everybody, you know, then people want to talk about their story, what's going on, why they're on a hard time, whatever it may be. And I'm like, ⁓ cool. It dude. So you got fucking three kids and you're on Snap, you know, and you're fucking doing all this, that, and the other, and you're Luis: And John looked at me and said, he leaned back in his fucking lawyer chair with the high back, crossed his legs with a pencil in his mouth, after tapping his head for me and said, So, what do you want to do? And I said, I wanna fucking win, dude. I wanna fucking fight. And he said, Good. And ever since then, we've been lovers in arms. Joe: Benefits were cut and you have a burrito now. Congratulations. Would it help out if I brought over some fucking pasta and I got fucking all this other shit and it's all just sitting there? I never fucking use it. You know what I mean? So like I'm not being completely fucking honest, but I'm not lying either, right? Because I have all this shit and I'm not gonna use it, but the reason that I have it is to go fucking help people fucking eat food. Right? So it's a little white lay, I guess. but for the ultimate fucking good. So there's little things that you can do in your community that can make an impact and really break through to people. And in the process of doing that, you meet some really fucking cool people. Word. John Schlosser: Yep, pretty close. Luis: I mean, so like let's let's let's get into what's going on and everything here. How are you feeling about things? ⁓ you you when some of the work that you do, Schlosser, is ⁓ you help to repatriate ⁓ American veterans that were wrongly deported, if I'm correct. You are listening to the Stand Your Ground, Hold Your Ground, Hold Your Ground podcast with our guest Joe. And it's me and John today. We're interviewing Joe. Joe. Joe: Hold your ground. Jesus Christ. John Schlosser: Yeah, I I co-founded nonprofit called Repatriate or Patriots. what's going on with my computer? One second. Ha ha ha. Joe: Sorry. Luis: No, you're good, bro. I'm just I'm just John Schlosser: No. You're right. You're you're right. You gotta I I Luis: Hell yeah. John Schlosser: One of the worst things about America, there are many. But one of the things that make it so difficult to to change is how big the country is, right? How spread out it is. Look at Greece or France, right? They have Luis: ⁓ god damn it. Motherfucker. Joe: Motherfucker. John Schlosser: much smaller land mass and when they do a march or something like that, they can get the whole country involved, right? You don't have that here. You we're way out here on the west coast. We're not having any kind of visible impact to the people in DC, right? Keep it local. That's where you can affect change. Fortunately that's just I mean and that's what that's what we're supposed to be trying to do, right? Is is and Luis: Well that's where yeah, right, exactly. That's what that's that's where it matters. I don't give a shit of fucking ultimately if people in DC are living awesome lives, like that's really up to them. I give a shit if like people around me in this community are living an awesome life. Do we have a police force that is community minded or oppressive? Right? Are we being riddled and ruined by fucking capitalism or are we are we trying to help people? Right? ⁓ for because they need to be helped. Not because we get anything out of it. Like right. ⁓ but if we're trying to do it long term wise, right? Like 'cause I figure Let's take the houseless issue for example. I don't think everyone in activist spaces even for the most part, they're like, well just provide housing. If you provide housing, it's all cured. And I'm like, no. Like, right, you gotta take care of there's often drug issues you have to take care of. And then and then after that, after a year or two of of knocking those down and and and and fighting those, you gotta take care of often of like lots of mental health issues that are behind the drug abuse, right? And then after taking care of that for a couple of years, then maybe these people are prepared to get a job. So and that's about like five hundred thousand dollars per person, I figure, over the course of five years. John Schlosser: quite that much, but it's not cheap, that's for sure. Luis: Like people just aren't prepared to do anything. And I mean I'm kind of rambling a little bit, but like it's it's it's look. Even when we took over ICE here in Portland, it was the dumbest thing I've ever done. I've said it multiple times. It was stupid, dumb, stupid, idiotic. John Schlosser: I told I was telling you that at the time. Joe: Ha ha ha. Luis: Shut up. Okay. Because not only did I have to worry about white kids who were telling me that they were gonna go on a hunger strike, okay, and put us all at risk if those kids happen to die and go all the way. They weren't even fucking serious about going all the way. Right? And we got people deported. And again, for those people that are out, like say in front of Delaney Hall right now. Truth true question. What are you doing? What like like like what's your plan? What are you doing? Okay? Let's just like nobody in the history of protesting ICE since two thousand and fucking fifteen, let's say, has ever stopped one deportation. Not one. You've right, right, right. But Joe: Even if you do though, so here's the thing, is that even if you do, what do you do then? Luis: What do you do then? Okay, so let's think it through. Okay, I'm out there and here comes a fucking bus, okay? A fucking detention bus. Whoop, whoop. We stop it. Cool. That's been done before. You can delay those things. I'm not saying you can't. Okay, so you stop it. So what do you do then? Do you breach open the doors? Because once you do that, you've committed a crime. And then what do you do? Do you fight those guards? Do you pull them off? Do you kidnap them? Do you put them in custody? Do you detain them? Cause you kinda have to. And then what do you do with the prisoners? Cause once you unshackle them, they're guilty. And then where do you go? Run. Go, you're free. Where do they go? Home? Joe: Six forty six PM John Schlosser: Nope, they better not. They can't. I mean they've already they're already being they've already been processed. They Well, I mean I know, but Luis: Lot of ⁓ would though. Like like like like what do you do? Open the kennels like stray dogs and be like free, you're run, run, run in the streets, dude, you're free. So we're so what are we trying to accomplish? Well Luis, you're just a dick. You're just shitting on our fucking on our on our fucking Cheerios. Okay, sure. Right? Uh-huh. Right. So what he's saying is white people, you gotta get your shit together. Uh-huh. Pizza. Pizza. Give me more pizza. White people give me pizza. Shit. The message totally got off. Hey! Joe: Let him know Appa. Ha ha ha. Welcome everybody to Hold Your Ground where this episode is a shit show. ⁓ yeah. But now John, ⁓ you know, I do wanna get on onto some serious shit with you though for a second, being that you are by far the most educated one out of fucking that ding dong and myself. I would say that you have a good understanding of the law, being that you're a fucking lawyer. And and in that, I would say the constitution, ⁓ being that the constitution is the fucking law of the land, I would say that you probably have a pretty good understanding. going forward here, you know what I mean? I I so I keep one of the things that I keep hearing from people is, you know, they can't do this. They can't do this. Which I agree, maybe legally they can't do this. But they're doing it. And in my opinion, if somebody can't do something, there are quotes there, for those of you who aren't watching, but they do it and nobody stops them from doing it, that tells me that they can fucking do it. Now will there be repercussions in the future? Maybe, right? But kinda what I see happening is There's a lot of it seems like a rewrite of history, right? ⁓ people wanna wanna r try to whitewash even more so ⁓ US history and in that I see people from the regime trying to change the meaning of a lot of of things that are found in the Constitution and the articles and the amendments. And I'm just curious on your take going forward as somebody who's familiar with the law and the Constitution. ⁓ what what what do you think going forward? Will there be fucking accountability? I know there's a possibility, but there's also in my mind a possibility that there will not be. Luis: Yeah. John Schlosser: Okay, so So th one of the first things you gotta look at when you're talking about that at least if you're coming at this from the immigration context, is that immigration law is administrative as opposed to statutory, all right? So the the powers that be, so to speak, are different than say, if you get arrested, right? it's a different court. It's a different set of rules and regulations. And so to some extent the constitutional analysis is not always directly applicable. now there's cer still certain provisions of the Constitution that apply, right? ⁓ some of your criminal protections and things like that. But the the immigration laws, like I said, are are administrative and so every time the the presidency changes, right? Hey hey I don't know. It's all good. Joe: Let's start on my ship. Sorry, my phone just wanted to start playing some fucking reggae. John Schlosser: every time the administration changes, right, the the rules change, so to speak. and you know, you have yeah, there's always a delay with the courts, right? There are things that can be challenged, and they do get challenged, right? We have organizations like Galo Trollado, or immigration law lab here in Portland, right, who file lawsuits against the government for the things that we see that they're doing, right? But the process you have to go through to actually get to the endpour you can get a court to say, Yeah, government, you fucked up right is long. And by then the the person gets lost in the weeds to some extent, right? Like, the person might already be deported and maybe now we can't find them, right? And so even if we got something overturned, are we actually gonna be able to do anything for that person, right? or are we just helping hopefully helping the next person? it's it's disheartening. It's hard to stay positive, right? Luis: We are speaking with attorney John Schlosser, aka Eeyore of the Law. ⁓ John, it's come on, bro. I mean, no you Joe: ⁓ come on. No, but this is shit that fucking I mean, people need to know, right? Because fuck there's so many people there's so many people sorry Luis, I'm gonna cut you off for just a second, right? But there's so many people who think that they understand the law and what's going on and they're putting themselves in stupid fucking positions. Luis: It is disheartening, but John Schlosser: ⁓ Luis: I mean w ⁓ my next thing there was like John, like I was joking about, you know, it being disheartening and probably you know, not everything's gonna work, sorry, not everything's gonna stick, not everything's gonna be funny. I think it is though. But ⁓ do you see hope? Do you do you or do you see times going darker? Honestly. John Schlosser: Yes. Joe: That is a an apt answer for sure. so when I was bringing up early as far as like, you know, with the constitution and things of that nature, I was thinking along the lines of due process, right? where the constitution explicitly states that every person, not every citizen, but every person is entitled to due process. And obviously we're seeing so much where We're seeing so many incidences where people are not having their due process. Right. So that that's kind of one that and and we've also seen that's one that we've seen from the regime coming out with, well, no, they don't get their due process because they're, you know, they're here illegally, which doesn't make sense in my mind because the way that at least in my mind, tell me if I'm fucked off here, but the way that I think about it is how can you prove the legality of your residency if you don't have due process. John Schlosser: Yeah. The that is a great question. It's so when I have clients that are that I worry about being in certain scenarios, you know, I I tell them certain things like don't ever try to talk in anything other than your native language, right? So many clients try to use their English, right? But maybe they speak Spanish or some other language, right? But they're trying to use their English because that's what the the law enforcement agency is speaking in. and that's just you're setting yourself up for bad things. Don't sign anything that's put in front of you until you talk to a lawyer. No ⁓ like law enforcement it's one it's so hard to to get people to understand this until they've already come to me, which is usually after they've been arrested, right, or whatever, that law enforcement gets to lie to you, right? Shut your fucking mouth, no matter what they fucking tell you. You don't kn it could be true. It might be what they're telling you, but it might not. And if you sign something or say something without actually talking to an attorney first, right, you're fucking yourself. you know, due process is does not necessarily mean you get access to a the federal immediately get access to the federal court, right? ⁓ it might w the way the immigration system is set up you're you get access to the immigration courts at least to start with, right? You can depending on how that goes, it can get up into federal court, but it starts someplace else first. But it you know, the the the rapid deportations are one of the scariest things and the number of people who get put on those rapid deportation planes, there are s some people that belong on them. Okay. but people get put on those that don't belong there either. you know if you've been deported before You know. can't as a lawyer I can't give you any real positive affirmations, right? As a human I I hope I wish you well. I hope we read between the lines on that, but you know, like The they make the process except the government makes the process exceptionally difficult on purpose, right? Hoping that people are gonna give up. ⁓ you know, there's lawsuits all the time about who should who is appropriate to be detained and who deserves bond or you know, release. and, you know, are they using that as a way to try to force people to voluntarily deport, right? ⁓ what was I hearing recently? There some something about how they were I think they had a court order now that they can after seven days they can go in and force feed people now. you know, feeding tubes and that kind of stuff because a lot of detainees were protesting their the detention conditions by by you know, going on hunger strikes. they just keep finding new ways to take away the people's ability to let the public know what what is happening to them. And it's Luis: What do you think is the appropriate way? Joe: It's fucked. Luis: that we can fight this, honestly. Like right, like bro, you've y you were out there in two thousand twenty. You've been in the streets with us. You fight the system every day. John Schlosser: So Luis: You both see things getting worse and and hope. So I mean, I want to go back to that for a minute. ⁓ what gives you hope? And what takes away your hope? John Schlosser: Well, the thing that gives me hope is long term the youth today seem to actually care and are more vocal about caring and being informed about these events and s ⁓ you know, so I'm hopeful for the future of, you know, the population. But you know, there's so many th so many roadblocks, career politicians, for one, That's a big one. The absolute just ignore across the board, all political parties seem to have it as their c one of their policies that they're just not gonna touch the immigration system. Right? But th there's I think it's like ten thousand visas Like just general visas that get granted a year, outside of having some kind of s other special application, like you're you've been trafficked or a victim or you know, or some other asylum, that kind of stuff. They're asking for illegal immigration. And until they take a real look at the fact that that system is creating the problem I don't see a good fix for immigration. Joe: Word. John Schlosser: They need to be realistic about the fact that people are immigrating and that we need them. I mean, you see this I love reading those love hate reading those articles about f ⁓ conservative farmers in Ohio or whatever, right? Who are all up in arms because their workers are getting detained they can't find anybody who worked for ⁓ now. And so their dairy farms are drying up. ⁓ it Joe: Yeah. Luis: Well you're a lawyer and so I know like I know for a fact words mean something to you, right? And I'm not trying to be a dickhead although I'm gonna push a little here. Why do you use the words immigrant, right, as opposed to refugee? I'm curious there. John Schlosser: Okay, so well in law at least, right? There's there's immigrant, there's asylum, and there's refugee. Okay. The refugee system is set up I think it's in part through the ⁓ maybe through like the UN ⁓ but it's the the refugee system is f like for the US we have places on other continents, right? We don't have any refugee stations, I guess camps, whatever you want to call it, in South or Central America. So that leaves so that leaves so those people's options then are to come and request asylum, right? Refugees apply for coming into the country from that camp, right? And great and Luis: No, I don't understand that. From a third party. So to me but to me it seems that these people are refugees, right? They're not migrants. Migration you know, they do not migrate north or south. Asylums. Okay, okay. So like 'cause I've been referring to them as refugees as Joe knows for a while now. ⁓ John Schlosser: I w no, I'll call the I'll call them a Sileys. I mean In the end it's it comes down to kind of it it's the same the person is the same, it's the process that they use to get into the country. An asylum presents himself at the border, a refugee presents themselves at a refugee station. All right. But they are coming there for the same reasons, political persecution, sexual persecu you know, whatever it is. ⁓ but not everybody who comes is is a quali would qualify for refugee or asylum status. ⁓ Joe: So John Schlosser: simple we don't have economic refugees or asylum's. That's just not something that's recognized. That's dealt with through the regular that should be I mean, it's supposed to be getting dealt with through the regular immigration system and it just that they just don't process they don't allow enough people to be processed. Joe: So I got a question real quick for you, John. ⁓ I bel I believe when it comes to asylum, what is this? Like ⁓ eight US code eleven fifty-eight, if I'm not mistaken, ⁓ that covers asylum seekers for the United States, right? And with that, ⁓ my understanding, I wanna I wanna get your your take on it, right, is that they have to be physically present in the United States to seek asylum. And they have up to one year or their first interaction with an immigration officer. They have to declare that they want to seek asylum. ⁓ and that it says too, it's not from my understanding of it, ⁓ correct me if I'm wrong, this is something that I've debated with people before, but it's it you don't you don't have to do it necessarily at the border. You have to be on US soil and it can be it doesn't have to be at a port of entry. John Schlosser: Yes. That is true. any person within on US soil, right, can apply for asylum as long as they do so within a year of entry. All right. the but reason I believe so well th you know the reason so many people don't cross that at the at a port of entry, right? Well there's multiple, but one is they might not qualify for asylum, right? They might just be coming 'cause they wanna just come and make some money, right? And that's not gonna qualify them. ⁓ but also because it's I mean the the government, especially this particular president is doing everything they can to prevent people from actually getting into that point. Right? They're not allowing they're not processing everybody who comes. They're pr trying to prevent people from being able to come in to the port of entry, right? To be able to claim us claim asylum, right? And then basically saying, well, you know, they w the they're not in here. Sorry, we don't have to listen to ⁓ That's bullshit, right? Absolute bullshit. But that's what they're doing. And the And asylum isn't exactly an easy process, right? Some people think, anybody's just gonna come and claim well it's true, anybody could come and claim try to claim asylum. But there's an initial interview that happens and the the federal the current administration is trying to make even that harder or ⁓ less less able to pass. But there's a an initial interview ⁓ that is supposed to happen shortly after entry where it's a credible fear hearing, right, where somebody reviews what's going on with that person and dec determines whether or not they think they meet the basic threshold to even apply for asylum. Right? So it's There is some weeding out, right? False claims. ⁓ there's the ability for the government to make it harder or make it so that people are just getting weeded out because they want them to be. They don't want to admit people, but there's a process and it's it's not easy. Just like getting refugee status isn't easy. Luis: So I know that we have some listeners here that are probably screaming at their device right now, being like, Well, the answer to all of this is open borders. Okay. And let me let me fucking nip this shit right in the butt, okay? Open borders would be nice, they would be lovely, they would be great. But you know what? So would unicorns and fucking flying donkeys, okay? In my lifetime, in every listener's lifetime. there are never going to be open borders in the United States. So I believe we have to work to make the border as open as possible. Right? With with that being said, but How do we do that? How how how can in your opinion how can everyday American leftists do their part. What can they do to stop deportations? What they can they do, in your opinion, to take part of the fight? John Schlosser: Not really gonna touch what can they do to stop deportations. We've kinda talked about, you know, that it it gets but yeah. Okay. Luis: It's not possible. Joe: I'll touch on that. I don't I don't believe that and I'll touch on that after John speaks his peace. John Schlosser: Okay. Well I'm not I am let me preface what I just or post script what I just said with I'm a lawyer so I gotta be I'm gonna speak. Joe: Carefully. Yeah. John Schlosser: Carefully. Yeah. ⁓ Luis: Also, ⁓ let me point out that nothing that you hear on this podcast is legal advice. If you have any kind of legal question, we advise you. John would advise you to speak to an attorney in your community or country wherever you are listening to this. We are three douchebags with a podcast. Well, two with a podcast and one that was like dumb enough to come on. ⁓ and we're talking to like One other person. So chill out there on being like, Well, I heard it on that podcast. Anyway, go ahead. John Schlosser: But ⁓ the but I think Putting us you know without getting into whether or not our government w works or should exist in the form that it is, okay? If you're talking about what can you do to try to impact immigration, the best thing you can do is to harass your s your US senators and and representatives about what their immigration policies are, what their plans are for immigration reform, right? To figure out if they actually have worked on or trying to work on real immigration reform, right? that accounts for the volume of people that the US needs. We just n we need them, right? and you know, you'll one of the things you hear a lot is about though the coyotes, right? Yeah, that's a problem, right? They do really bad things to people. ⁓ you would have less of that if you had actual immigration, like realistic numbers of immig the ability to immigrate or to ask for asylum. Right? If people did weren't hearing that you just can't get it, right? You can't get in, you can't get it, people would be less likely to use those avenues. There would still be people, right, who just are just trying to get in. ⁓ or maybe who've been deported before and they can't get in. But the the ability for people to be trafficked, right, and to be harmed ⁓ would be minimized greatly. so that you know, these c the conservative ⁓ both sides I guess that come out and say, Well You know, w we gotta s we gotta stop this you know, we gotta build that wall because we gotta stop those ca that's bullshit. That's not how you stop it. I mean, wall or not, it the problem is is the lack of a immigration system that has been up it it hasn't been updated I can't remember the last time it was updated, ⁓ for for the number of visas that are allowed a year. It's I I know it I don't think it's happened in my lifetime. ⁓ and it's it just doesn't account for the the volume of people that the country needs and that are coming. Joe: Word. John Schlosser: But you were saying, Joe. Joe: Okay, so I would say how Luis phrased that question, how does the everyday fucking generally young leftist affect immigration and deportation? And I do have an answer to that where you can seriously affect and it's not a short term strategy, right? But I would say today The youth of the United States of America are so much fucking smarter and more capable than the youth of our generation, right? We have more kids that are going to college, we have more kids that are educated, we have kids that want to be engaged that have that education, right? And like you had said earlier, ⁓ there's young people who really want to be a part of a solution and they recognize the issues that are happening. So like I was saying earlier with so many people focus on the big fucking scale of things. Draw that down. Focus on your local community. You want to make a fucking difference as a young person? Fucking get educated. Run for your local office, right? Don't spend your time bitching on the internet about fucking how the you know the US is an imperialistic state and we just need a revolution. Like that's great. Revolution would be great, but it's not really a fucking reality. ⁓ in my opinion, right? Everybody goes, ⁓ we can do this, that, and the other like, nah, dude, we can't even fucking decide if a fucking dickhead in a banana suit is worth canceling somebody for or not. Right. So, anyways, where I'm going with that is fucking get involved in your local governments. You know what I mean? Run for fucking city council, run for the fucking school board, run for water supervisor, things of that nature. Run for a fucking local county legislator or a board of supervisors position. Because at the end of the day, you can fucking get somebody elected as fucking president in this next election who has all of the fucking best ideas in the world, but he doesn't have or she doesn't. doesn't have, they do not have the fucking party behind them to back it up and make those fucking those ideas a reality, right? So in the words of Immortal Technique, if a fucking if you fu how the fuck does that go? When you never mind, dude, fuck it. I can't remember the goddamn words, but the fucking gist of it is when you enter a system As an individual to make a change, it's not you who changes the system, it's the system that eventually changes you, right? Because you don't have that fucking backing. So if you start a small grassroots opportunity in your local communities, once again it's a lot when we all do a little. So if you get these things happening on a fucking national level, In individual communities, you start building that infrastructure to have the backing to make a fucking change. Instead of fucking having some dickhead in Chicago going, I'm running for president because I got fucking 10,000 views on the internet. You know what I mean? fuck that presidential run. Do shit that fucking matters, right? So okay, cool, you got into the fucking city council, you got into a board of supervisors position, whatever the fucking may be, right? Now, okay, cool, maybe run for a fucking Senate. Or for fucking Congress for your local area, right? That's where the real fucking change happens. That's where the the the metal meets the fucking meat, so to speak. So everybody's focused on the president, but we have midterm elections that really the people who are elected in the midterms are the ones who fucking progress us forward or backwards. Right. So if you can build up hold on Luis, if you build up the fucking momentum on a local level to where you can fucking get into those positions, that's where you can start to fucking make change and have the backing. Luis: So Joe: to fucking keep that change rolling and get it passed through. So you don't have to sit there and go, ⁓ well I've got to compromise on my fucking morals about fucking blowing up brown kids across the fucking world so that this dickhead will fucking vote with me in whatever the fuck I'm trying to propose. Luis: I agree with both of guys. I disagree with both of you guys. ⁓ so I'm gonna get to the disagreement first, because that's the fun, right? I guess. ⁓ I don't have hope in the youth of this country. Okay. I think both of you guys say that because we all live in the quote unquote Oregon bubble. Both of your children, I know. personally and I know them to be intelligent children. I know their parents, right? So yeah, if I look at your children, if I look at my child, I'd be like, yo, I got some hope. Right? But when we look broader, when we look at white conservatism infecting the youth from Joe Rogan on down the line, right? We see it on the TikTok both left And right, right? Like I I I'm gonna talk about the TikTok for a minute because TikTok's the number one social app, right, in the world. And so we see it. So you don't know, John, but they have these weird fucking things called battles. Okay. I don't really understand how these work, but they're two screens and people give these people like coins and money and shit. Okay. That's it's essentially for money, right? That's and if you get the most money, then you win the battle, right? But you have people like a mega person. versus someone who is anti ice, supposedly, right? And they're battling it out. And but they have to do it together. They have to plan to do these things, right? So they're working with each other. So the only thing that the youth really give a shit about is being famous. Right? The only thing they give a fuck about is getting ten thousand likes on a fucking video. John Schlosser: I'm gonna disagree. Luis: Going viral, right? And and and what you guys are saying is absolutely right. Start locally, fucking, you know, and then go globally. But nobody gives a shit like that anymore. Okay, because now it's go globally, maybe start locally. And we have a racist country and we have a fascist country because we have fascist and racist communities. Right. We are not a reflection of our country. Our country is a reflection of us. Joe: Word. Luis: Right? And we're shitbags. So I talked to two people you guys both know today. My Uncle Linval and fucking my Uncle Russell. That's right, Russ Uncle Russ, bro. And both of them were like, Don't get me started on the World Cup. Joe: Yeah. Luis: So America's fucking up, right? That the FIFA peace prize winner won't let the Iranian stay in his country. A team that's qualified to be there. ⁓ I went to sports, sorry, fucking pull back. Okay. So here's the thing. And Nobody wants to do what's required. What's required to stop ICE is building pipelines. Building pipelines like John can't say it. That's fine. I can say it. I can say whatever the fuck I want. Building fucking pipelines like existed during under Nazi Germany. Building pipelines like the Underground Railroad. Fucking being willing to house undocumented people for an indefinite amount of time. Right? Getting these people to a safe place. Yes, go ahead, sir. Exactly. So before we can do that, we as the left need to get unified. John Schlosser: gotta be an end goal, right? I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, right? About Luis: Right. No, but there but but in my notes here it's like yes but to s to safety question mark because there is we as the progressive American left hold no ground. Right? We hold no land. In Nazi Germany, it was very clear you get the fucking Jewish people out of Nazi controlled territory. Try and get them out. One way or the other. North, south, east, west, fucking one way or the other. Fucking in in The s the the the pre civil war when there was a a fucking underground railroad in the south, it was get black people to the north. It was to get them somewhere. So you're right. We have no safe place to get anyone to. Joe: You're not wrong. So like the one thing that I will say to that though, Luis, is that we do live in a surveillance state in a much different time. Right? So Luis: And Joe: We don't really have a way to organize. We don't have the ability to have those same things like they did in the thirties and in the eighteen hundreds and shit like that because Luis: N none of us can pull a shot of Shakur, bro. Joe: Where I'm going out with that though, dude. Check this out, right? So the fucking technology that we have today, we have no privacy at all. Yeah. We we do. I so prime example real quick. When I was fucking deployed in 2007, 19 years ago, we had a team that would come out. John Schlosser: Anonymity's gone. Like there was yeah. Joe: Called the Nemesis team, and it was the Navy team, and they had this fucking this piece of equipment that would take every single phone call that was being made within a 30 mile radius and would narrow it down to the one person we were looking for with through voice recognition software. It could be a fucking burner phone, it could be any of that. Right? It'd narrow it down to the one person that we were looking for that was making a fucking phone call through voice recognition software. And then it would give us their grid position. So it would give us where they are and it was accurate to within three meters. That was nineteen fucking years ago. I think that technology has advanced a little bit in nineteen years, you know what I mean? Luis: Jesus dude. Well, it's like well No, it's what we talked about before, you and I, this week and stuff, that look We all say you can't vote your way out of this, you can't vote your way out of this, okay? And again, when I say this, I am not advocating for anything. I am merely having a discussion in hypotheticals, okay? Joe: Yeah. Luis: So if you can't vote your way out of it, that means that you have to shoot your way out of it. Okay? And the first thing that would happen is we we saw in Texas those fucking kids that are doing 20 years that got hung to dry. Right? We see it fucking everywhere. We don't support our political prisoners, cause the first cop that gets shot in this country, fucking Schloster wouldn't be able to defend me out of that shit. Okay? Like The because fucking people would turn. And God, if there was a real revolutionary group active it on American soil. Joe: Yeah. Luis: Like conservatives and Democrats would like become like this. Like they already are. Right. I don't think that I don't think there's freedom anymore. I think it's over. Joe: You're not wrong. John Schlosser: Yeah, I mean like you look at even like y you know, w okay, you were deployed, right? What the US can engage in overseas is di legally on the books, different one than what they can engage in on US soil, right? That particular technology, Generally speaking, it would be unlawful for the government to utilize on US citizens. Now there are some exceptions, right? or processes that the government would have to go through to be able to try to utilize that, you know, but i I don't have a good sense of you know how realistic that is, right? That's just it. Mm-hmm. Y that's what that's what I'm saying. Luis: I don't think this administration gives a shit though, dude. To be honest with you, I I I I think that they would use it. Joe: Well so here's So here's the thing that I said earlier. If somebody can't do something, but they do it, and nobody stops them, can they or can they not do it? Well, even if they do get caught, nobody's doing anything about it. John Schlosser: If they don't get caught, they can do it. Even if they don't ev if if they do get caught. Yes. Yes yes and no. I mean Luis: So what do we do then? How ⁓ like look look. Joe: Well re real quick real quick. I just want to point out to that to that end, John, is that we have Social media's being fucking stocked for people who are writing and this is all fucking documented shit, right? For anybody who's opposing what the regime is doing, pro ice, pro whatever the fuck it may be, right? Or are anti-ICE, sorry, pro pro imit yeah, right? You got fucking ICE agents in the street that are using facial recognition software to build databases per their own admission. We've got fucking cameras all over the place that are fucking reading people's license plates to and from actions and being fucking used to database people. John Schlosser: Yep. Anti I know what you meant. I know what you meant. Joe: We've got fucking the Patriot Act, which allows for surveillance of United States citizens, especially if they're suspected of fucking ⁓ being terrorist sympathizers or terrorists. We had the fucking ⁓ the Department of Justice national report that was just put out where it lists people with anti fascist, anti-racist, and extreme pro-trans ideologies as one of the top three threats, included with narco-terrorists and Islamic fucking extremists. They are the fucking third the top three threats to the United States of America and words. So my my thing with that is that I understand that Donald Trump cannot make he can't make laws and declarations per executive order, right? But he has made quote unquote Antifa Luis: Islamist legacy groups. Joe: A fucking terrorist organization through an executive order. And while that shouldn't hold any weight, it is, and we see that through the fucking prosecution in Texas, where a dude who just went and got rid of a magazine, and mind you, not a gun magazine, not a firearms magazine, but like a reading magazine, yeah, and got hit with fucking was it 16 years for fucking destroying evidence and fucking ⁓ being part of a fucking terrorist organization. John Schlosser: Yeah, like a paper magazine. Mm-hmm. Joe: Organization and terrorist sympathiz sympathization. Can't say that word. ⁓ so in my mind, like I get what you're saying, where like, yeah, they can't do that, but I do believe that there's a clause in the Patriot Act. If you are suspected of if you are suspected of being part of a group or aiding a part of the group of a group that is designated as a terrorist organization, that you're fucking Habius corpus and your due process and your right to privacy kinda just go out the fucking window. Luis: I would like to mention one group that you forgot to mention in that whole list of group there, Joe. You forgot to mention one group of people. Joe: What's that? Luis: Do you know who they are? Do you know who they are, John? Joe: Tell me. Tell me. John Schlosser: I'm not sure which groups he you're talking about even listening listing. Luis: The rats. We you forgot to mention in 2026 in America, being a rat is cool. Being a rat means that you have a story that you can sell. Right? So in all of those things that you listed, like look. You roll your eyes, but like look, you can go on to no, I know, but you can go on to TikTok. Fucking Sammy the Bullfrog Gavano has a fucking live TikTok where he answers questions like he's the fucking Don and he's a fucking rat, bro. Right? We have all these fucking shows about fucking rats. We have fucking pretend fucking pretend fucking crews housing fucking rats and cops in ⁓ John Schlosser: No, I'm not rolling my eyes. I'm not. Joe: Yeah. Luis: Fucking dude, the culture on the left is designed to lose. Okay? Because we have been infiltrated. Yeah. And I wasn't gonna admit y yeah, anyway. Joe: So sorry word. No, no, I just w I wanna say too, to that extent of aside from what the government has for surveillance, that is a a great example there, right? Where you got the TikToks, you got everybody's got a cell phone, everybody has a fucking essentially a camera that we all dreamed of having when we were fucking sixteen years old. You know what I mean? ⁓ so the day to day Just fucking citizenry is also fucking surveilling you, which also gets uploaded onto the internet, which then can be used against you. You know what I mean? Ultimately. John Schlosser: it it y that comes back to the constitution stuff you were talking about earlier, like expectation of privacy, right? You when you are in public, you forego your expectation of privacy. It's why Joe: Yeah. John Schlosser: the Fourth Amendment protections are so strong for the home, right? But they don't apply to your car, right? Because you drive your car out in public, right? If I can see inside your car, there's no expectation of privacy. Now different for a glove box and a trunk, right? But these are but like and so like you have surveillance now, these are things that the the founders could not have foreseen, right? And while the constitution, you know, was intended to be Joe: Word. John Schlosser: you know, to to be able to grow with the time, so to speak, right? It's limited. And so you see you see courts really stretching shit, right, to try to make things work. ⁓ and it it's to very mixed mixed effect. Joe: So I I got I got a question for you, John. And I didn't mean to cut you off, I'm sorry. But I do have a question for you 'cause it just kinda popped into my mind here. So per the conversation we were having earlier when it comes to the constitution and immigration and how there is a separation there where one's administrative and one the other one is what was what what was statutory, thank you. All right, statutory laws versus administrative and that also comes into effect with people's due process, obviously as we're seeing, right? So you're saying it's not it's not the same. John Schlosser: No, you're fine. Statutory laws versus administrative Joe: So what is to stop the regime from coming and grabbing me off the street as an illegal immigrant and taking me to a de Yeah, and taking me to a detention center and me not getting my fucking due process and just having to fucking wait it out and see what happens. John Schlosser: Off the street, nothing. But Well so getting taken off the street isn't a violation of your due process. ⁓ huh. Joe: No, but once I am arrested, you are saying so there's administration administrative and then there's statutory, which the statutory is more in line with the constitution for United States citizens and so forth, right? So what is stopping them from fucking grabbing me and claiming that I am a quote unquote illegal alien and Me fucking not getting the statutory protect me personally and not getting the statutory protections because if I don't have the due process essentially to prove that I am an American citizen. John Schlosser: You person you personally. Okay, okay. So, first, there's nothing to stop them from yanking you off the street, okay? In your house, that's different, right? You still have those fourth fifth amendment protections, right, in your home, right? They cannot come into your anybody's house without an actual search warrant, right, by a f signed by a federal judge. But your due process y you what you're talking about, you would get It's a process, right? They would book, fingerprint, ID you, right? get whatever information you're willing to provide them to try to verify your identification, right? Yep. Joe: Would they though, or do would they in a perfect world? Because they're not doing that with a lot of the fucking people who are being detained. They're fucking just snatching people up and throwing ⁓ in a fucking cage or throwing them on a flight. John Schlosser: So just the they're not Luis: Your skin what John's trying to say is that your skin would allow you that, right? So they would Joe: I under I under well in John Schlosser: that's that's true. That I mean to some extent that's true, right? Yeah. I mean like they're not they're not they're not nabbing Canadians off the street, generally speaking, right? Well yeah. Well y you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Luis: Yeah. Joe: Yet. Yet. That's what I'm saying. So I'm saying as we progress forward, when they want to go, okay, cool, we want a fucking loophole, since we can't fucking fuck with this guy necessarily because there is still some sort of semblance of fucking law and the courts are still trying to battle us. If we just grab this guy as a fucking quote unquote illegal immigrant And fuck up his whole entire life and his whole fucking process. So I mean, there was a dude that was arrested here last year, right? ⁓ and he was he was a Mexican dude. And his wife came out and said, No, he's a citizen, he's a citizen. Like, here's his fucking passport, his birthday, here's all of this fucking paperwork. And they refused to look at it. And then they told her, they they arrested him, and then they told her. We'll be back in a week. If you're not gone, we're gonna toss you out too, bitch. Exact fucking quote. And then they put him in fucking Tacoma for seventy two fucking days. So that's what I'm saying is like, yeah, cool, he's a fucking brown guy, I get that, right? But if the regime if the regime wants to go, well, we want to fuck up this guy because he's fucking posting shit on the Facebooks or the fucking TikToks or he's outspoken or he's in his community, he's doing shit that we don't like. What's to stop them from grabbing fucking me, even though I'm a fucking white guy, and say, nah, we're just we're fuck you we're putting you here. That's it, right? No, I know that that's what I'm saying. That's John Schlosser: No no. I I get it. But the e Luis: Nothing, bro. Like they'll just say oops. They'll just say oops, sorry later. John Schlosser: So well e e So, I mean you would get your due process by getting in front of an immigration judge at some point, right? ⁓ the the the the ability for them to do rapid deportations, it's kind of a narrow avenue of pe like people have been ⁓ previously deported and and things like that, right? Or people who voluntarily sign up. There's they've they've tried to fudge with it a bunch and they have, but I'm just skipping that part. Putting that Luis: mean that let let's be honest. There there they're worse things. I'm sorry to cut you off. There's worse things than rapid deportations. There's eternal being lost in the system. Joe: Yeah. That's that's that's the part right there that I was g that I was trying to allude to. John Schlosser: Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean this is what we keep pushing for, right? Is actual access to the courts, the immigration courts, and ⁓ immigration court reform, right? and ⁓ reform on on release and bond versus detention, right? But these are but there are regulations and processes in play, right, that you would try to affect by changing the regime and getting some of those regulations changed. But they but the recourse, right? The thing that's is supposed to keep them from doing that, right? You said what's to keep them from doing that. The thing that is supposed to keep them from doing that is the ability for a person to sue for unlawful detention. Luis: I mean, so I guess there's this is always like the one problem that I have with Schlosser when I have serious conversations with him, right? And and it's not only that he fucking argues from like a logical, intelligent perspective, and I'm like, well, if you're just gonna use logic, what the fuck is the point of me partaking, right? But that aside is that He still has some belief in the system. I kind of I think so because like I mean, because here's my point. Like a year ago, this country was losing its mind over 800 people who were missing an alligator Alcatraz, okay. Now, through research and everything, that number has come down to 300, okay, because you can track up to 500 administrative fuck-ups, misspelled names. An A put wear an egos, that kind of shit, right? Which is all done on purpose. But still, there are 300 people that cannot be accounted for. There are 300 people, I believe, who were fucking murdered by the state or with the state sanction, whether it be through private prisons or something else. John Schlosser: Neg negligence even, right? What and it's just covered up? Mm-hmm. Luis: Negligence like here in Washington County, here in Oregon in Washington County, at least a couple of times a year. Somebody fucking dies in that jail because they oops, they forgot that they were back there. Right? Once or twice a year. And so so Joe: Yeah. Luis: How do we stop this shit, dude? It's not deporting. We don't have a population that will rise up with us. So what? It's just lay down time? John Schlosser: ⁓ the sist the way this look, I'm not saying this is right and I'm not saying I agree with it, but I have to work within it for my job, okay? I wanna make make it very clear that I keep my personal opinions to myself. You and I might have a conversation about it, but when I'm talking I'm talking from the perspective of somebody who's w has to work in the system for my job. All right. So Luis: No, I understand, yeah. You have to be. Yeah. Because you're a you're a court officer. John Schlosser: The there are thing I mean, the ability to sue the government, right? Yeah, whatever. ⁓ there are Luis: That was a good burp, dude. Fuck off. John Schlosser: There are organizations out there, like I said, like El Otrolado, like ⁓ Immigration Law Lab that do file lawsuits against the government for those things. The way the system unfortunately is set up is that recourse comes far down the line. It there there there's no system except I mean aside from like vigilante justice, right, that can and that's got its own huge issues. right, that can provide mm provide immediate recourse, right? It just isn't. You you have because if you if you try to I mean if you don't put certain protections in place, right? ⁓ then you get things wrong. Right? So there has to be thing procedures in place to try to work through a court system to try to make sure that a the the issues are vetted out fairly, right? ⁓ and that takes time. And it sucks. Luis: I I mean I hear you, but but here's the thing, that it but it doesn't, right? We've seen dictator Trump change the face of American society in head spinning time. Right? ⁓ John Schlosser: Yeah, yeah, that's the problem, is that most of the change that is going that can and will be affected by the bullshit that he's pulling now, we are not going to see the positive results of that until likely he's out of office. Right? It's too late to stop him now. It's too late to stop what he's fucking doing now. Joe: It is. John Schlosser: I mean, we can do there's certain things you can get injunctions for, but you see how easily that wor how well that works, right? and so th the the changes that the court system can bring about are Going to be well after the fact ⁓ w well after he's gone probably. And hopefully it prevents somebody else in the fucking future from doing it, but it's not gonna stop his ass from doing what he's gonna do what he's doing now. W I just buckle up for the fucking ride, man. Joe: Yeah, that's where we're at with it. And I will take the I'll take the position that I appreciate these conversations ⁓ with you, John, even though Louise says you know, I mean I appreciate because coming from coming at it with truth and logic and knowledge of like actual fucking knowledge of the system and not some YouTube university, I fucking know what I'm talking about bullshit, is ⁓ I think extremely valuable in in how We can move forward. You know what I mean? And like you said, I've been on that page too. And it is crazy to see how far like I've got I've got fucking beef with the founders of the United States. You know what I mean? Like they're fucking bunch of old fuck or they weren't old, but they were they were fucking young to today's standards. But they're fucking racist slave owner fucking dickheads. But it is crazy to see how far the quote unquote conservative fucking party has strayed from the founders' intentions of the Americas, even though even though their intention was for a fucking white man. but you know, I mean prime example, one of Benjamin Franklin's quotes, I'd rather see a thousand guilty men walk free than one innocent man suffer. You know what I mean? We've definitely have gotten off of ⁓ and it's been this way my whole fucking life, right? That whole entire ⁓ innocent until proven guilty has not not been the fucking case. And especially now, it's not the case. ⁓ it's pretty fucking wild to see. John Schlosser: Well, that's mm-hmm. But s it's even harder now with the with the prevalence of social media. It's har it's it's so hard to get a ⁓ jury that at least on on some on like big like murder cases, right? Even local murder cases. It's im ⁓ it's so hard to get a jury who's not already had some kind of ⁓ Joe: Yeah. John Schlosser: ⁓ taint by reading articles or, you know, y listening to people's opinions before you get to a trial. Luis: I w I Yeah, you y you know, and and that's a good point that like so it used to be a time and place where you could almost tell someone's politics by the way they were dressed. Okay. And I was on trial like with with old Schlosser there and I was convinced that I had a natural ally on the jury. Okay. ⁓ it was a trans woman. Right? Right? Joey, you think like a trans woman, dude. I'm going up like I'm going up against the fucking bike Nazi, dude. You see a trans woman on the trial, you're like, Yep, I'm good to go, dude. Fucking, we allies, right? We fucking solidarity, right? Fucking John was like, nah. Cause we were talking, we were like, okay, who's against me, right? On and I was like, the white dude. The fat white guy dude with baldy hair. He wants me to pry. John Schlosser: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Joe: No, I d I know I know this fucking Feel attacked right now. Luis: John's all John's all like, no, he looked more like a gym teacher, right? Like, like a gym teacher. John's like, I don't know, dude. Like, I think, and I'm like, no, you're wrong. You're wrong, right? Fucking. Anyway, turns out that there was one holdout, right? And I looked at him and I'm all like, just a trans person, bro. Solidarity. He's like, he he's like, yeah, you go, he goes, he goes, that's what he said. He goes, he goes, John Schlosser: It was, but just not the way you thought. Luis: I think you're wrong. Anyway. Beat the charges, fucking came down to like fucking the old DA, because it was the second time he lost against us, right? And third, right? And John told me that like here in Multnomah County, that every time they lose, they gotta go give a presentation to like all their fucking buddies on like why they lost, right? So it's the third time that this dude's lost against Schlosser. And so the guy he goes, I wanna pull the jury. And they're like, all right. So John Schlosser: Or third. ⁓ Luis: ⁓ the jerk number one, fucking number two. We get to the fat white guy, he's like innocent. I'm like, what? Get to the trans woman, dude. She's like guilty. Right? Turns out that she was a member or an associate of Patriot Prayer. And so. John Schlosser: No, it wasn't Patriot Prairie it was it was some militia. It was a militia. That that sounds right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Luis: But they were tied to Haley Adams somehow. Like yeah. So anyway, you you see the whole tie there, right? Hayley Adams. Anyway, sucking all the right wingers' dicks. But ⁓ fucking yeah, dude. Like ⁓ so my point is that here in the Northwest, you cannot tell somebody right wing or left wing based on your attire anymore, right? Because John Schlosser: I don't know that you really ever could. Really. Was there? I mean look, you got look at like w what what era? Joe: Yeah. Luis: There was a time. Okay. W a time when you could base somebody on their attire? Joe: Seventeen hundred and thirty seven. Luis: nineteen sixty nine the skinhead movement when it first started before it was Joe: No. No way. No way. John Schlosser: Okay. I'm not gonna Okay, we're not gonna we're not we're not gonna s Luis: I know. No, no, okay, okay, okay. Hold on, wait, okay. Let me think. A time when you could look at somebody and fucking tell okay, I would say fucking counterculture nineteen sixty-five to nineteen seventy-one American college campuses. Overwhelmingly, hands down, based on the way they looked, leftists. John Schlosser: Mm-mm. Joe: I don't agree with that. Luis: I've n not until recently I've never seen a right wing hippie. John Schlosser: Okay, but you're t Joe: Really? John Schlosser: You I ca I will say that I don't think you should be I don't I don't you're you are looking at fringe countercultures. You can't do that. When you're talking about what ⁓ can't you can't you can tell what a person is by the way they dress. You need to really be looking at everybody else, right? Like you have Harvard professors, right? ⁓ Luis: Okay, like on the fringes. John Schlosser: dressed in corduroy jackets, you have right wing chuds dr dressed in corduroy jackets. You can't you don't can't just tell them apart simply because they are dress in a suit or conservatively, right? Luis: I feel attacked and I feel like you guys are triggering me with your words, telling me that I'm wrong. I feel John Schlosser: I look, I agree with you to it to the extent of certain countercultures, but then you gotta look at skinheads and boneheads, right? There people were mistaking ⁓ skinheads for boneheads forever, right? And they still do. Joe: ⁓ Yeah. But the even even back in the day, right, with that nineteen sixty nine fucking the the Uprising of the skinhead movement, where it was like, ⁓ yeah, you could tell their politics, could you though, dude? Because there was a bunch of those motherfuckers that were right wing as fuck. They were racist as fuck, just not necessarily against fucking Jamaicans and shit. But go talk to a fucking Pakistani person that was in England at the fucking time. You know what I mean? Go talk to somebody who was fucking all, you know, up in arms ⁓ as a nationalist due to the fucking Falkland Wars or the fucking Windrush scheme ⁓ altogether, right? So like even though they were fucking piggybacking Jamaican. Luis: Yeah. Joe: fucking culture they still thought that the fucking Windrush scheme was a bad thing because it wasn't fucking England, it wasn't fucking Brits for Britain, you know? Even though they liked the fucking music and the fucking style, you know. John Schlosser: Yeah. why when I go into jury selection I try to I I remove my preconceived notions until I start talking to people for the most part, right? Like you have to. You end up ⁓ what was it? who was it just telling me the other day they had a veneer, which is the group of people that you pick your jury from, right? And One black woman in the veneer. Alright? And You could go into that thinking, ⁓ I definitely want her on my jury, right? But then she starts talking and you're like, Holy shit, she's ready to fucking fry this guy and she doesn't even hasn't even heard the case, right? You can't you you just until you actually start talking to people, you c you just don't know. Luis: Guys, we've been talking with John Schlosser, violent radical leftist ⁓ advocate, ⁓ known to defend actions of the Weathermen and ⁓ the Black Panther Party. ⁓ and and John John Schlosser: ⁓ yeah, pilot. Yeah. Joe: All right, don't fu th seriously they're like, don't fuck with John, right? Because this is being published on the fucking on the internet and he does have a career to fucking think about here, you know, that it can't be fucking ⁓ sullied because he's on here with two dickheads. John Schlosser: I mean I like talking with dickheads but I ⁓ you know. ⁓ you'll never Yep. You'll never hear me you'll never hear me advocate for violence. You won't. Joe: No, and I w I would never expect to. And you know, on a on an honest note too, really you won't hear me do that either because in my opinion it's just fucking dumb, right? There's things that people should talk about in person. There's definitely things that you shouldn't say on fucking line, right? ⁓ or in a fucking public fucking space where it can be used against you, because that's just dumb, in my opinion. Luis: No, no, no. John Schlosser: I'm not saying some people don't need to be punched. That's not what I'm saying, right? Like you get to defend yourself or your your your girlfriend or whoever, you know, but like just on a general scheme, I you'll n you won't hear me advocate for violence. Joe: Yeah. Word. Luis: So both of my Joe: So, like on a professional note then real quick, I just I I wanna switch gears just a little bit. You do your thing, Luis. I was gonna ask him a question though, being that he has knowledge of the law and the constitution and ⁓ you know a lot of things that we don't necessarily have that same depth of knowledge when we're looking at proposed bills like the ⁓ you know the exclusive citizen app citizenship act of twenty twenty five, ⁓ where I forget the dickhead who brought it up, but it was you know, you can't have John Schlosser: Mm. Joe: Have dual citizenship in the United States, you had to fucking pick one or the other. ⁓ I personally don't see that going anywhere because I I feel like there's so many fucking rich people who have dual citizenship that they're gonna be like, nah, fuck you, homie. but in your mind, like do you could you could you see that bill or something like that bill gaining traction in the United States? John Schlosser: I don't think it's likely to get enough traction to pass. like you said, there's too many wealthy people who wanna expat, right? Or take advantage of ⁓ tax schemes in other countries and and things. there's ⁓ I d I don't see I don't see that as being likely. The country's never done that, right? We've never said you have we we take everybody, right? We're supposed to be taking everybody, right? But we we're never but we've never been like and once you're here, that's it, right? No. That it's just not how I don't think I don't think Americans as a whole, s as as cheesy as this sounds b would would back that. Joe: Word. Luis: I would also like to point out that we advocate for community defense, not community violence. Joe: word. And there is a fucking difference. John Schlosser: Yep. Luis: I'd also like to say that, you know, sometimes it's okay for staying stupid shit. Fuck. Don't let anybody tell you it's not. Because staying stupid shit is fucking awesome. but with that being said, we are gonna get ready to wrap it up. Here we're coming up on like a little under two hours, our normal time and about our attention span. ⁓ so John, I'm gonna ask you a question here that we ask all of our guests. Joe: Yeah it Luis: When you look back over the story, the mosaic that is your life, and you find yourself just thinking about like a time and a place, what's that time and place for you? He did not expect that one. He thought he was gonna get like a so when you shit, do you wipe or do you bunch with the toilet paper? John Schlosser: The the one the main the one thing that immediately comes to mind and will probably always be the thing that comes to mind is being in the hospital when the nurse handed me my kid after she'd not been breathing for two minutes after she was born, or five minutes or whatever it was, and I'm sitting there just panicking. She's blue, and all of a sudden she starts breathing. I don't remember much after that except for that I was crying. But that that's the that's that's that's it. Family. Luis: That's that's a beautiful moment. That must have been really scary and to hear that that first yelp. Wow. Thanks for sharing that with us. John Schlosser: Yeah. Thanks for having me. Luis: Thanks for always asking. No, all right. ⁓ so we've been talking, as I said, with John Schlosser, criminal defense attorney here in ⁓ the anarchist jurisdiction of Portland, Oregon. if you are conducting ⁓ if if you're looking for a lawyer, ⁓ you can call ⁓ at five ⁓ three. Joe: Don't fucking do that, dude. Luis: Three eight zero. Boop boop boop boop. John Schlosser: You can look me up on you can look you can look me up on the Oregon State Bars website. Luis: And Elablas Espanol. Okay? So I wasn't going to I was gonna do the boop boop boop boop, but you ruined it up until then. Joe: All right. I was like I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, chill the fuck out here for a minute, bro. All right, I gotcha. Sorry. Luis: I well, I wanted to get some use for that tattoo. I don't get a lot of use for it. People are Really? I'm like, And you know, because he looks like Hitler on it too, dude. He really does. It's kind of fucked up. It really ⁓ that's a different story altogether. ⁓ just like our Hepcat tattoos. I'll tell you when we get off the air about the Hepcat tattoo. Yeah. Well, you know where he went and got his, right? John Schlosser: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ I know it's the worst. It's the worst. I really do. Joe: Yeah. Ha ha. ⁓ yeah. John Schlosser: Ha ha ha ha. Joe: I already know about the Hepcat tattoos. Yeah. Yeah, we've been through the whole story, but we'll we'll we'll talk about this at we'll talk about this afterwards. Okay, we'll talk about it afterwards. Luis: Right here on the on the he got but he got it on the fucking breastplate, bro. He got it right there. That was fucking hardcore. Anyway, ⁓ so thanks for listening to another phenomenal episode. ⁓ remember do something in your community. ⁓ get the fuck off of TikToks, get the fuck off of social media, ⁓ do something where you live, make the world better. Plant a garden. ⁓ John Schlosser: Yeah. the garden, start a food bank. Luis: Coming up in future episodes, we're gonna have Eric Molina from Los Malados. ⁓ we're gonna have Nate Mahan from Shannon and the Clams. ⁓ so s we're and we're gonna have Tariq Khan from Yale University. ⁓ and then, you know, we'll have some Darrell Lamont Jenkins, we'll have some Lin Val Golding, we'll have some Russell Payne, ⁓ John Schlosser: Hell yeah. Joe: We've got some really cool shit coming up in the future here for you guys. Like we've been in contact with some really cool people ⁓ that have been living the life for a long time. You know what I mean? They've been living that anti fascist, anti-racist lifestyle for a long fucking time. And are very active in their f in their fucking communities, right? I mean, whether it be people from bands, we got fucking college professors, we've got just grassroot fucking advocates that are a ⁓ about it. Like about it about it. So we got some cool people coming for you guys to listen to. And I do wanna take a second too to to thank John ⁓ for taking the time out of your day. I know that you're a busy man and it's fucking awesome to be able to Talk with somebody who who really knows what's up, you know, I mean, and as somebody who knows you a little bit outside of fucking this and the things that you do in life, I I I appreciate you taking the time and ⁓ you know, you're you're a great person for these people to fucking learn something from here. Yeah. John Schlosser: man. Appreciate that. Luis: ⁓ I will say it has been my complete honor to c call myself your friend. It's bit bro, you've been there through the highs and through the lows. And the lows were lows, bro. In the highs were highs. And ⁓ the highs have, you know, John smiling drunkenly with Vegas call girls. ⁓ not no showgirls. Showgirls, not like there were showgirls with the with with the John Schlosser: Who shall not be named. Girls. ⁓ the girls out on the street on V in Vegas. Ugh. Yeah. Luis: Yeah, I just that picture just came up, bro. Like that four thirty in the morning picture. We were all drunk, dude, on this like out on Fremont at like four thirty in the morning, right? And these girls were like, Do you want can we take our picture with you? And we're and we were drunk, sure. John got his picture, it was awesome. He's like and then you know what I didn't see? I didn't see the world's biggest keynote. But anyway, that aside, I just wanna say I I John Schlosser: Ugh, they're ⁓ the worst. That could be a whole episode. Luis: Dude, I enjoy and I appreciate my friendship with you. I laugh with you, I cry with you, I get yelled at by you, I get a yell at you. ⁓ yeah, just just thank you. Thank you for everything. And and and thanks for coming on and for putting up with our bullshit. John Schlosser: Yeah, ma'am. Thank you. Luis: Everybody else suck it. Joe: Word. You got any fucking any final thoughts or words you wanna fucking throw out, John? John Schlosser: Yeah. Don't talk to cops. Shut the fuck up. Don't talk to cops. Don't do field sobriety tests. I don't know. Joe: That's good advice. That's good advice. All right. Well, thank you guys very much. This has been Hold Your Ground. We'll talk to you next week. Luis: Okay.