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Tom Haberstroh on Knicks beating Spurs in NBA Cup final, NBA's injury issue, Warriors failing Steph Curry? | 12.17 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
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  Speaker 1: have a guest join us, coming to us live from Charlotte,
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina. Check him out on his sub stack, Tom
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  Speaker 1: the Finder, Tom Haberstroh.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: It's good to be here, Beaumont. You here for NBA
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  Speaker 3: Cup action?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I have to say, and we're going to talk.
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  Speaker 2: We got the NBA Cup.
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  Speaker 1: We got a lot of NBA stuff that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get to, including some really interesting stuff about injuries. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that sounded dark. But anyway, the NBA Cup just finished.
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  Speaker 1: The Knicks raised that banner, boys. Raised that banner. The
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  Speaker 1: Knicks got the win over the Spurs. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: Victor Wimbayama in particular a little bit, in just a couple.
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  Speaker 2: But first, I don't know where you are on this.
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  Speaker 2: I was a skeptic.
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  Speaker 1: Of this in-season tournament. When it came around, it felt
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  Speaker 1: to me to be an example of Adam Silver listening
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  Speaker 1: to podcasts and Bill Simmons cooked something up. And he
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  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, why not? Let's go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and give this a run. I didn't think that you
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  Speaker 1: would be able to create stakes around this. And I
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  Speaker 1: thought the stakes were necessary. But I also think I
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  Speaker 1: kind of sort of ignored that these are still professional athletes.
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  Speaker 1: And like, There are just some people who trophies. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the trophy is like. You told Michael
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  Speaker 1: Jordan that it was a trophy to go out there
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  Speaker 1: and win. Michael Jordan is like they're all championships. What
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  Speaker 1: are you talking about? Yes, the NBA championship. Oh, this
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  Speaker 1: new one. OK, it's a new championship. And I the
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  Speaker 1: games feel like they have stakes like the Thunder Spurs
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  Speaker 1: game on Saturday night. It felt like a game in
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  Speaker 1: a tournament of sorts, right? Playoff game feels like you're
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  Speaker 1: going too far, but it felt like a game that mattered.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know what the ratings are. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what ticket sales are. I think that those things,
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  Speaker 1: you have to give those time. Like this is a
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  Speaker 1: 20 year project to me. If this is what you're
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  Speaker 1: going to do, it doesn't matter what those numbers are immediately.
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  Speaker 1: But what I did notice, and I felt like this
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  Speaker 1: the first couple of years of it, it feels like something.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't expect that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a level of prestige in this that they've
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  Speaker 3: cooked up in three years running. And there isn't really
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  Speaker 3: any sort of postseason importance. You're not getting any sort
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  Speaker 3: of carrot at the end of this season that matters
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  Speaker 3: for playoff positioning or whatnot. The prize is money. The
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  Speaker 3: prize is prestige. It's a cup. It's a trophy. And
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  Speaker 3: it's also an opportunity to go to Vegas. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that's an underplayed element of this is that in
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  Speaker 3: the NBA schedule, it is an absolute grind. It's a
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  Speaker 3: grind for these teams. To get up for November games,
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  Speaker 3: December games, and to try to do this and realize, man,
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  Speaker 3: we got five more months until the playoffs. It is
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  Speaker 3: an absolute grind for these guys emotionally, physically, spiritually. It's
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  Speaker 3: tough to go through an NBA season and realize, man,
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  Speaker 3: I got to get up for this game against the
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  Speaker 3: Wizards on a Wednesday night. The NBA Cup, breaks up
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  Speaker 3: the season and gives them something with stakes to look
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  Speaker 3: forward to and a little bit of respite from the
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  Speaker 3: 82-game grind where you go to Las Vegas and you
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  Speaker 3: go to the NBA Cup. You look at courtside, who's
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  Speaker 3: sitting courtside? It's a big deal. It's all the greats,
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  Speaker 3: the NBA greats. It feels bigger. I think Amazon Prime
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  Speaker 3: taking this and having their production value on the game
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  Speaker 3: Is much better than I think people realize is when
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  Speaker 3: you have, you know, Steve Nash, Blake Griffin, Dirk Nowitzki
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  Speaker 3: and Adam. So Adam Silver was, I think, at the
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  Speaker 3: postgame show for Amazon Prime. He's like, I just want
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  Speaker 3: to give you guys a shout out. You guys do
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  Speaker 3: a great job on this. on this broadcast and he
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  Speaker 3: gave a lot of jabs. He's subtweeting ESPN on this
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  Speaker 3: one because I think he was trying to say we
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  Speaker 3: need to build up these games and you do a
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  Speaker 3: great job of building up these games and making it
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  Speaker 3: feel important. You're on the court. You're on the court
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  Speaker 3: pregame in ways that I feel like the NBA needed
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  Speaker 3: the NBA Cup to keep people invested in November and
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  Speaker 3: December of the NBA schedule. Because 82 games, I think
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  Speaker 3: we can all agree. We'll have this discussion later. It's
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  Speaker 3: too many fucking games. It's too many games. And so
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  Speaker 3: how do you raise the stakes to make these games meaningful?
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  Speaker 3: It's the NBA Cup is one of those answers.
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  Speaker 1: So one thing about professional sports leagues, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: fair to say this generally, but I can definitely say
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  Speaker 1: this with more firsthand experience about the NBA. The NBA
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  Speaker 1: as a league, and when I say the league, I
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  Speaker 1: don't just mean the business entity or the people who
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  Speaker 1: are playing now. I mean league in a very big,
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  Speaker 1: broad sense. Like in the league in the sense that
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  Speaker 1: Robert E. Lee Bob Pettit is still an NBA guy, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like the whole NBA, they love a good weekend to
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  Speaker 1: come hang out with each other, right? It don't matter
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  Speaker 1: if it's Summer League. It don't matter if it's the
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  Speaker 1: All-Star Game, if it's the NBA Finals. Former NBA players
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  Speaker 1: love to go places where the NBA is because one
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  Speaker 1: big thing about being a former NBA player, and Tom,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you play this game at Summer League,
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  Speaker 1: it's NBA bingo. There's no telling what former NBA player
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  Speaker 1: you're going to see walking around.
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  Speaker 2: Former coach, right? And they just sit.
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  Speaker 1: And eat at the Shake Shack or any other little
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  Speaker 1: place that you might be, right? Just out there hanging out.
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  Speaker 1: They love that. And so you tell them, oh, did
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  Speaker 1: you say, uh, Las Vegas? I think I can find
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  Speaker 1: a way to get down there. Vegas might be dead,
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  Speaker 1: but now when we show up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, well, I think, I think what's also interesting
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  Speaker 3: about this is the NBA is moving, uh, seems to
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  Speaker 3: be intimating that they're moving away from Vegas in the
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  Speaker 3: future that it might not be back in Vegas, which is,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of that. Other than
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  Speaker 3: Adam Silver said before the game on Amazon prime gave
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  Speaker 3: him a little scoop here is that the NBA is
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  Speaker 3: considering moving the NBA cup to, uh, kind of hallowed
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  Speaker 3: grounds in college hoops, maybe a certain arena where the
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  Speaker 3: commissioner might have gone to college.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no, you got to be fucking kidding me.
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  Speaker 3: And he said some historical venues in college hoops, we
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  Speaker 3: might be moving towards that. So, Bomani, as soon as
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  Speaker 3: I knew that I was going to be on today's
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  Speaker 3: show and we were going to talk about the NBA Cup,
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  Speaker 3: how do you feel about Cameron Indore or Alan Fieldhouse?
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to guess it's Cameron Indore that Adam Silver
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  Speaker 3: is intimating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: How do you feel about them hosting at Cameron Indoor
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  Speaker 3: in Durham for the NBA Cup?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't have a great handle on how big
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  Speaker 1: Allen Fieldhouse is.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to be clear.
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  Speaker 1: Cameron is the single best place for a college basketball game.
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  Speaker 1: Hard stop, right? This isn't just about me hating Duke.
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  Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here, man. No, no. This
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  Speaker 1: is preposterous on like 85 different. First of all, it's
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  Speaker 1: a really uncomfortable arena. Like let's get that part there
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  Speaker 1: right now. This is, it is not an NBA arena.
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  Speaker 1: It's not up to the standards of what the NBA is.
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  Speaker 3: Um, Also, the hoops come down from the ceiling. It's
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  Speaker 3: not a standard NBA stanchion hoop situation. This is very much,
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  Speaker 3: if you put NBA guys in that arena, it's going
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  Speaker 3: to feel very different. And I don't think that's disqualifying, Bomani,
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  Speaker 3: because we see it in football. They play in very
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  Speaker 3: different conditions, snowing, raining, what have you. In baseball, they
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  Speaker 3: had the Field of Dreams game in the middle of frickin' Iowa.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think that they're really... it would be
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  Speaker 3: unique in that the NBA cup and in certain situations
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  Speaker 3: might be in a different arena basket situation, environmentally different,
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  Speaker 3: but it is going to be very different compared to
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  Speaker 3: like an NBA arena. It's going to feel very different
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  Speaker 3: than Madison.
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  Speaker 2: It would feel amateur. Like it's just not.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I would say that about if it was
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  Speaker 1: in the Dean dome, I would say this, if they're
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  Speaker 1: going to Pauly pavilion, like, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't really care. I just don't, this is not, this
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  Speaker 2: is beneath the standard of the league.
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  Speaker 1: To me but for those of you who don't know
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately for us adam silver did go to duke um
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  Speaker 1: and so.
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  Speaker 3: There's that well and camera crazies the nba doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: really really have.
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  Speaker 1: That right well the worst part is those jokers might
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  Speaker 1: just show up and be rooting against everybody you know
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  Speaker 1: what i'm saying just being annoying thinking that it's about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry to drop that bomb on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. But it is weird that the NBA is
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  Speaker 3: pivoting away from Vegas and in ways that suggest to me, look,
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to go to Madison Square Garden on
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  Speaker 3: this because I do think that the NBA doesn't want
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  Speaker 3: to really go to an NBA arena.
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  Speaker 2: Because it creates... Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just Dolan getting that little... the benefit of
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  Speaker 3: being able to sell out Madison Square Garden for an
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  Speaker 3: extra venue... It doesn't seem like the other owners really
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  Speaker 3: go for that, which is why I think the Indiana
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  Speaker 3: hosting it or somewhere else in the NBA cities doesn't
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  Speaker 3: really make much sense. But that's why I think all
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  Speaker 3: sides are pointed to this being at Cameron Indoor next
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  Speaker 3: year going forward.
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  Speaker 1: I think, and I said this earlier, this is a
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  Speaker 1: slow build, right? Like there's going to be a point
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  Speaker 1: where you look up. And there are kids who dreamed
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  Speaker 1: of playing in the NBA Cup, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like that's what you like.
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  Speaker 1: I always say when you move a professional sports franchise
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  Speaker 1: into another city, my favorite example is the Arizona Cardinals.
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  Speaker 1: And if you remember for the first 15 years of
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  Speaker 1: their existence, especially when they were in the same division
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  Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, that was a road game for them
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  Speaker 1: every year because that city was full of Cowboys fans.
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  Speaker 1: It takes a generation to build up fans to where
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  Speaker 1: your local team is fully local, right?
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  Speaker 2: In that way. I feel like this is very similar.
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  Speaker 1: Take the time, make it such that the way you
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  Speaker 1: do with Summer League, Summer League is something that for
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  Speaker 1: people who like to do it, every year, it's like, yo.
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  Speaker 2: Are we going to go to Summer League? Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's in Vegas. You know exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you don't sell a bunch of tickets, you
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  Speaker 1: can get people to actually wind up turning up. If
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  Speaker 1: you put this in an NBA city and the host
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  Speaker 1: city is not in it, people ain't coming. Like you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about putting this in Indiana. I ain't going to
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  Speaker 1: Indiana in December.
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  Speaker 2: What are you, high? This is ridiculous. Stay here. Build
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  Speaker 2: it up. Make it feel like something.
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  Speaker 1: My guess is this sounds a lot more like trying
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  Speaker 1: to negotiate a little bit with Las Vegas. Or Las
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  Speaker 1: Vegas trying to play a little hardball. Because right now,
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  Speaker 1: times is a little hard down there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I think the NBA feels like they got a little
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  Speaker 1: leverage over Las Vegas right now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I also think that the NBA Cup is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to say that right here. I was
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  Speaker 3: a big fan of this because the alternative is what?
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  Speaker 3: You're arguing.
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  Speaker 3: The alternative is that they just play regular season games, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't think anybody is out here watching these
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  Speaker 3: type of games in the regular season with the same
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  Speaker 3: kind of numbers and the same kind of passion and
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  Speaker 3: the same kind of pomp and circumstance for a regular
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  Speaker 3: season game that doesn't count for much in terms of
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  Speaker 3: like the actual stakes of the game. Whereas this, it
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  Speaker 3: feels big. And, and Jalen Brunson after the game accepting
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  Speaker 3: the MVP trophy and they're celebrating at, at, at, at
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  Speaker 3: half court, it felt big. It felt like they really
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  Speaker 3: wanted this. They, they stormed the court after they won
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  Speaker 3: in ways that I feel like the NBA needs to
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  Speaker 3: project this image that this stuff matters. These games matter.
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  Speaker 3: And last year when Giannis, he won it and he
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  Speaker 3: was like, yo, everyone chill. We haven't won a championship.
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  Speaker 3: This is not the NBA finals.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, man, look, yeah. You know who got
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  Speaker 2: it right though?
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  Speaker 1: LeBron James, the best, one of the best things that
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  Speaker 1: happened to this cup was the first year. Somebody who
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: understands how the money works was like, Hey, We're going
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  Speaker 1: to sell this.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to act like, and they're the Lakers, okay?
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  Speaker 1: They've won seven, 18 of these things. They were like, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to act like this is a thing. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that that was important. I think context for me,
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  Speaker 1: and I changed the way I looked at it, and
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  Speaker 1: it really hit me in the Saturday night game.
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  Speaker 2: You know what it felt like?
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  Speaker 1: It felt like the great Alaska shootout or the Maui invitation.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean that in a good way, right? Like
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  Speaker 1: every year it would, you know, For those, and I
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  Speaker 1: guess they still do these tournaments, but they're not at
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  Speaker 1: the deal they used to be. But over Thanksgiving or
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  Speaker 1: over Christmas, you had these holiday tournaments, right, in basketball.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where you would look up and be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Carolina's playing against the Fab Five.
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  Speaker 2: At the Maui Invitational.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I still remember that game on grainy HSE on cable.
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  Speaker 1: But every year it was a thing. And when I
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  Speaker 1: was watching that game on Thursday, which felt they'd had stakes,
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  Speaker 1: like those dudes cared nothing. about that game, it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you just got to do a little tweak to it,
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  Speaker 1: and now this feels intense. And that game between two
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  Speaker 1: teams that might wind up in the Western Conference Finals,
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  Speaker 1: that game felt intense, especially since my guy Victor hates
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  Speaker 1: the Thunder. I don't know how the Thunder feel about
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  Speaker 1: the Spurs. I know Chet hates Victor, and Victor hates Chet.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like Victor hates the Thunder, and the Spurs
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  Speaker 1: do too.
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  Speaker 3: Victor gets it, doesn't he? He gets it. Like we
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  Speaker 3: need more Victor being spicy with his comments and messy
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  Speaker 3: with his comments about ethical basketball. Like after that game
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  Speaker 3: feels good to play pure ethical basketball. And we're about
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  Speaker 3: that brand of basketball. I was like, yo, Victor is
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  Speaker 3: here for this NBA life. We need more of this.
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  Speaker 3: We thought that this was going to come from an
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  Speaker 3: American player like Anthony Edwards. And I'm like, oh, out here,
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  Speaker 3: Victor Wembanyama is talking about this in a way that
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  Speaker 3: the NBA needs a lot more antiseptic talking about trash talk,
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  Speaker 3: the other players, and Chet Holmgren, and they do not
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  Speaker 3: like each other. Victor Wembanyama and Chet Holmgren, they go
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  Speaker 3: back to even before the NBA when they were playing
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  Speaker 3: Team USA versus Team France, when they were teenagers, they
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  Speaker 3: went head-to-head, and it was an arrival. Like, watching Chet Holmgren,
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  Speaker 3: and Brian Winters talks about this all the time, he's like,
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  Speaker 3: watching Chet Holmgren and Victor Weminyama playing as teenagers against
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  Speaker 3: each other felt like the future, right? It felt like
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be the NBA future, these long,
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  Speaker 3: seven-foot guys who can play point guard, shoot, can do everything,
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  Speaker 3: super-skilled bigs that should be in different eras, playing back
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  Speaker 3: to the basket around the paint. They're playing like guards
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  Speaker 3: out here. And it feels like this is the next rivalry.
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  Speaker 3: It's OKC and the Spurs. And just like LeBron losing
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  Speaker 3: to the Dallas Mavericks in 2011, sometimes you need your
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  Speaker 3: ego just kicked down a little bit before you can really,
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  Speaker 3: really take that next step. And I think Victor Webanyama
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  Speaker 3: doing that to the Oklahoma City Thunder, a team that
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  Speaker 3: he does not like, he does not care for, and
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  Speaker 3: he's willing to say it out loud, I think that
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  Speaker 3: plus the Knicks loss, I think might be the best
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  Speaker 3: outcome for the NBA in terms of the story. Like
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  Speaker 3: Victor Wemby is going to hurt after this one. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that Victor Wemby, what he did against the Thunder, man,
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  Speaker 3: it's just great theater. I can't wait to see what
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  Speaker 3: happens next in the next chapter between Wemby and Chet
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  Speaker 3: and OKC.
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  Speaker 1: Also, remember that thought you just had there, but in
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  Speaker 1: an analogous situation, when France is kicking our keisters in
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  Speaker 1: the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles. Remember, 2024 in Paris
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  Speaker 1: was a very similar situation to what you were outlining
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  Speaker 1: right here.
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  Speaker 2: He forgets nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I think the best part of that game against the
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  Speaker 1: Thunder is when he hit that shot over Alice Caruso. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the best part was him clapping every time Chet missed
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  Speaker 1: a free throw. But him pointing at Alex Caruso and
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  Speaker 1: calling him a little bitch while he ran down the floor.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't care how tall you are, man. Ain't
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  Speaker 1: nobody from France talking to me like that, brother. Your
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  Speaker 1: passport cedes your right to speak to me in such terms, monsieur.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the block against Chet at the end where
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: he was just like, yeah, this is mine. You're going
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: to try to back me down, and I'm going to
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: sun you. Yeah, sure. I wrote about this for tomthefinder.com,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: my sub stack. They didn't challenge him at the rim
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: the entire game. OK, see, they try to shoot their
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: way to try to go over the top on Wemby.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: He finished the game.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: To be clear, as I read this article, when you
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: say they didn't try to challenge him at the rim
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: at all, how many shots did they take with him
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: at the rim in that game?
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Zero. Literally.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: The player tracking cameras, they have this stack called defensive
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: field goal percentage at the rim. And they track how
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: many times you are within five feet of the basket
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: and five feet of the shooter in an NBA game.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: And there were zero such shots in the game against
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: OKC when Wemby was near the basket. Now, there was
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: some quibble with that on like, was he five feet
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: away or six feet away? OK, but the point of
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the matter is that Luke Cornett got challenged eight times
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: in the game in his minutes. And Victor Wemby was
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: a zero there. zilch nada in that game and so
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: what OKC tried to do was what the Knicks tried
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: to do in a sense we're going to shoot and
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: we're going to neutralize Wemby in some ways but are
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: we ready to talk about this Knicks game because I'm
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: here let's.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Go it's right fast because we talked about it I
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: talked about it on Monday but the plus 20 that
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Victor had in seven minutes in the first half of
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: that game was unreal. Like everything changed when he came
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: into that game. It was kind of the opposite in
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: this game where he was a plus 21 in the,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: in the, the thunder game was a minus 18 in
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: this next game.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: And it felt like that. I felt like when I
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: was watching Wemby in this game, it was a different player.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: And we learned afterwards after the game, he was tearing
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: up at the press conference. And he said that he
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: lost someone today and, We later find out that his
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: grandmother passed away and he found out about it before
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: the game on Tuesday morning. And I'll have it in
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: my notes just as something that I wrote even before
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I found out that news. I was like, Victor is
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: playing like he's doing hero ball on every single play.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Trying to block everything and trying to shoot threes and
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: try to play hero ball every time down the floor.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: And it felt like he was kind of off his game.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Like he felt like he wanted it a little too
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: much in the sense that he was out here. There
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: was a play where Tyler Kolick is driving to the hoop.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: He leaves OG Ananobi on the left corner three and
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: tries to collapse to block Tyler Kolick, who he knows
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: is not going to try on Victor Weminyama because that's
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Tyler Kolick. This guy's going to have 15 assists and
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: no turnovers in a game, and that's his idea of
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: a good outing. And he leaves OG open in the
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: corner in a big moment, and OG gets a wide-open three.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: And I'm watching, and I'm like, man, it feels like
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Feels like he's not making the right decisions out there.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Like he's going after everything. And it's kind of like
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: he's over eager to make the big home run play.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Took a lot of threes, a lot of like hero
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: ball threes in this game. It didn't seem like the
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: same dude that we watched on Saturday against OKC. And
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I don't want to belabor the point, but I remember
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: when I was 21 years old and I lost my grandmother,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I was a mess. I was a mess for a
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: week after that happened. I don't think I cried that
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: hard like in my life up until that point when
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I lost my grandmother at 21 years old, not to
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: make excuses for Victor Wimignano's performance, but it explains something
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: when I'm watching him. I'm like, man, he does not
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: feel like he's making the right decisions out there. And
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: that's how I felt the whole game. Yeah.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that makes sense and not to
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: take anything away from the Knicks, right? Because they, I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: hate that I missed that game that the Knicks played
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: against the magic. Cause I was at the garden on
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Sunday when they played with Desmond Bain, did that weird
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: old move. and threw the ball at OG. Like, I
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: was a little curious to see what that was going
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: to look like coming back around. But, hey, man, there's
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: no reason that the Knicks can't go to the NBA Finals, right?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like every Knicks game is just that's the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: question you ask yourself.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, maybe.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could say that about just
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: about the whole East because somebody's got to win it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But I don't have a compelling argument why not the Knicks.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I think they're the favorites, and I think they're the
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: clear favorites. You know, the Detroit Pistons have not gotten
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: to the Conference Finals yet with this group. They're a
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: young team. The Knicks are not a young team. I
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: don't know if you recognize this, but Mike Brown did
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: not play Mikel Bridges in clutch situation last night. Did
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: not play him. That is not something Tom Thibodeau would
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: have even dreamed of doing last year. Wouldn't even think
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: of doing last year. And Tyler Kolek was balling. They
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: played Jalen Brunson and Tyler Kolek together in the NBA
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Cup Championship for long stretches, and it worked. And it
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: worked because of Mitchell Robinson coming off the bench and
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: getting 10 offensive rebounds in 18 minutes. and just giving
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: it to Victor underneath the basket, where, again, Victor was
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: out here trying to block everything out of position, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: it left him liable for all of these offensive rebounds
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: by Mitchell Robinson, who would kick it out to three-point shooters,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: and Jordan Clarkson dagger three. Jordan Clarkson dagger three. OG
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: on Ananobi dagger three. This was by design. Clearly, Mike
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Brown was out here being like, I want to be
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: able to play Mitchell Robinson and capitalize on some of
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: these Victor Wembanyama swatting and getting out of position. and
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: try to get these offensive rebounds and kick out to shooters.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: The Knicks do that better than anybody. More three-pointers made
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: after offensive rebounds than any team in the NBA. They
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: shot 47% on threes off of offensive rebounds. And the
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: reason is it's very strategic. A lot of teams work
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: very hard to get an open three-pointer on a given possession.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: You know when you get a lot of open three-pointers
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: on a given possession? When everybody's crashing the boards and
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: you get that offensive rebound, you need to kick out
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: wide open threes on offensive rebounds. Some coaches don't like
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: to do that because it feels like, hey man, let's
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: try to work a better shot here. But the Knicks,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: they love this.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: They love it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: They have like 20 more three-pointers off of offensive rebounds
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: than any other team in the NBA. And clearly that
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: was the differentiator. Was Tyler Kulik making the extra pass?
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Mitchell Robinson getting those offensive rebounds. And man, Jordan Clarkson.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: You think it matters to Jordan Clarkson and Tyler Kolek,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: this NBA Cup, the way that they played and celebrated? Man,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: they loved it out there.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Something, first of all, A picture of Jordan Clarkson when
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: he first gets to the NBA versus a picture of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Jordan Clarkson now is still hilarious to me. You normally
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: see that happen to people in.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: College, right?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: It looked like he got sent to juvie for a
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: crime he did not commit. And then just had to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: survive and came out like a whole entirely different person.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about him at all.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he talked the same as he
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: used to, but you go look at Lakers Jordan Clarkson
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: versus this scared straight didn't take Jordan Clarkson.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And it is a discussion for a different day.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Um offensive rebound is coming back like people have been
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: writing about this and the numbers are showing it's not
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: dissimilar to the nfl where running the ball on people
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: has come back defenses have gotten small and so now
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the move into margins is to get a little bigger
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: and go run over them offensive rebound it seems to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: be coming back as a thing crashing the boards where
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: teams like i remember boot and holes it was the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: first person i really remember who was just like yeah
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: we're not getting offensive rebounds we're sending three people back
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and we're going to stop transition baskets however The NBA
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: is more fun with offensive rebounding because the NBA might
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: bring back offensive rebounders. Like all these tall guys who
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: can do a zillion things are great.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: We need an Oakley. You know what I'm saying? We
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: just need some.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Guys who are like Mitchell Robinson is a great example.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I just run hard and crash the boards.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Those guys make life better.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: We want physicality in the NBA. It's one of the
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: reasons why I think the NBA has gone way too
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: far in the offensive-minded philosophy and freedom of movement where
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: it feels like a lot of times the referees are
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: just calling fouls on guys just putting their shoulder into you,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and the defender's like, I mean, how am I supposed
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: to defend this? And a lot of times, I feel
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: like physicality was being rewarded in the playoffs last year
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: and towards the second half of the season when Adam
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Silver had admitted, like, yeah, we decided to make a switch,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: which is kind of crazy for a commissioner to admit
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that they decided to change the rules without telling all
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the teams about how they're going to make a rule
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: change midseason. But I do think that we want more physicality,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: which is clear, I think, from fans. They want none
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: of this grifting to be rewarded when it comes to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: driving and James Harden-ification of driving and all that. But
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I also think offensive rebounds and how it gets kind
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: of physical underneath, I think fans want that. I think
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: teams want to be able to play offensive rebound game
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: and try to be physical out there. without fearing that
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: you're going to get called for a foul. So Mitchell Robinson,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Victor Webanyama going at it underneath is good for basketball.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: It's also good for the sport. And I think fans,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: NBA fans or casual sports fans, whatever large group of
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: sports fans you want to bring to the NBA back.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I think physicality is a big reason why you might
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: be able to recruit them back to the NBA.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So this is tangential and kind of going backwards before
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: we go into break. It's something I meant to get to,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: but I lost track of, um, As much as we
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: talked about that as Victor versus the Thunder, the kids
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: on the Thunder seem to be different young men than
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: many of the kids on the Spurs, shall we say.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: There is a great contrast that's going on right now.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Those top four teams in the West are fun to
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: me because they're all so different. You got Jokic and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the guys around Jokic. That's no shade to them. It's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: just that Jokic, the numbers he's putting up are absurd.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: The The advance numbers are absurd. It just makes it
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: hard for me to remember anybody else is on the team.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: The Rockets, a zillion condors, right?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Everybody's really, really tall. They got a bunch of those dudes.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And they have Kevin Durant, who's not the old Kevin Durant,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: but he's still Kevin Durant, right? And with an Ime
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Udoka mentality of a basketball team. The Thunder, a bunch
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of really good, nice young men. And the Spurs, them
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: boys go hard. Like, they are coming for you, so
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to speak.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Hey, did you realize that Stephon Castle is a Wake Forest,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: the son of a Wake Forest player, Stacy Castle, who
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: played with Rodney Rogers and Randolph Childress, transferred out after
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: his sophomore year. But on the broadcast, I think they
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: were talking about it after the broadcast that his father
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: played in the ACC, and I was like, oh. Oh,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: so he picked up a couple things from Rodney Rogers
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: because the way that Stephon Castle plays, man, it is
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: just like– He's a second-year player, won two championships at UConn,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: but I'm sitting here watching Stephon Castle. I feel total
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: confidence when he has the ball. And it is very
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: weird to watch guys that young, even Dylan Harper. Dylan
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Harper is a rookie out here, and he just led
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: the Spurs in scoring in this NBA Cup championship. I
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: love the Spurs. I put them on my title contender
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: list before the season in my title tiers column that
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I do every Monday. Before the season, I said the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Spurs are going to make a huge leap this year,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: and Mitch Johnson, the coach who's replacing Greg Popovich full-time,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: he's going to win coach of the year. And they're
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: making me look really smart with that prediction, except for
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday night. They kind of fell flat in the
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: fourth quarter, and it was the Mitchell Robinson and Tyler Kolech.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: By the way, rest in peace, Rodney Rodgers. I didn't
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: have a chance to talk about this. on this show.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: And for those of you who are too young to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: remember Rodney Rogers, um, as a player, NBA, Rodney Rogers
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: was cool.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: College.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Rodney Rogers was everything, right?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Like this.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: We no longer, I don't think we, we college basketball
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't operate in the space now where you just have
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: these guys that were like your favorite college player. And
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: so the thing with Rodney was he's ACC legend in
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the sense that like nobody hates Wake Forest. And so
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: people did not think that he was going to qualify for, Therefore, most.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Of the schools didn't really recruit him, but Wake Forest did.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: They got it together. He wound up in school.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: So he wound up being this player that nobody rooted
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: against because nobody was mad because he didn't go to.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Their school, for example. And he was a force of nature.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: He was big. He was a little stocky, right? Like
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: college power forward size. He was sturdy. He was explosive.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: He could shoot. He could do 360 dunks in games.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: It was all of it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And he is Durham, North Carolina's basketball player. Like that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: was he's the local guy for people in Durham. You
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: see him around and everything. It was a tragedy, obviously,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: when he got in the accident in the ATV and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that left him paralyzed. But when he died a couple
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I was like probably more closer to
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a month or so now.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But it was just like, oh, no, no, no, no.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: For those of you who do not understand, this one
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: hurts because this was a guy that you had to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: love if you watched him play basketball.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I got to say, the Durham Bull, Rodney Rogers,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: when people say, like, who's Zion Williamson? And we would
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: make the comp to Rodney Rogers. People thought we were crazy.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: But if you saw Rodney Rogers at Wake Forest, you'd
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: realize there aren't too many people who were built like
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: that who could do the things like he did.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: He was an incredible player. I think a teammate. A
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: lot of people love playing with Rodney Rogers, who was
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: sixth man of the year in the NBA. And I
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: just think it's tragic what happened to him because he
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: was so invincible. That dude was as strong as anybody
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: to come through the NBA, have the ATV accident, basically
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: put him on a ventilator for 17 years. And as
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: someone who has been around a loved one on a
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: ventilator for several years, I can't imagine the strength of
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: he and his wife going through that. And I'm glad
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: we got a moment to talk about Rodney Rogers because
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Talk about beloved players in the NBA and basketball. There
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: aren't too many people who are more beloved than the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Durham Bull, Rodney Rodgers.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you this, too. My favorite Rodney Rodgers detail.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much this was made to be.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Rodney took care of his money, but I'll never forget
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: this once, man. I was at the Circle K on
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Highway 55 in Cornwallis, and I'm coming out and walking in.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: is Rodney Rogers in his work clothes for the city
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of Durham he was a heavy equipment operator like that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: was just how he decided to pass his time it
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't that he was broke or anything like that he
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: eventually became a supervisor right but that's how like that's
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: how Durham Rodney Rogers was in case you were curious.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: But yeah, nah, rest in peace to him. Coming up next,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: we got some more NBA talk.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back with Tom Havishow talking NBA.
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  Speaker 1: On Tuesday, Adam Silver did the press conference, head of
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the NBA Cup, and he talked about injuries. And he
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: made the assertion that they've got the data to indicate
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that there are no more injuries this season than there
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  Speaker 1: has been in a previous century. But you've been on
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: this research-wise for a very long time, and you had
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: a very interesting point about a bit of rhetorical sleight
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: of hand that our commissioner was running.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so last week I wrote a big feature for
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Yahoo Sports about the two scariest words in the NBA
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  Speaker 3: right now, which is calf strain. Calf strain. We've seen
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  Speaker 3: more calf strains than we have in a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: Injury data doesn't go back all the way to historical data,
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  Speaker 3: but I can comfortably say that we've never seen more
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  Speaker 3: calf strains in the NBA than we have this season.
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  Speaker 3: And statistically, through 20 games, according to InStreetClothes.com's Jeff Stotts,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: who's the best, most preeminent injury tracker in sports, he
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  Speaker 3: found that the incidence of calf strains in the NBA
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  Speaker 3: through the first 20 games is up 40% compared to
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  Speaker 3: last year. But here's the thing. The time lost due
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: to those injuries is up by 200% Beaumont. So what's
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: happening there? Teams, I talked to coaches around the league,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: talked to the medical side, docked sports docs. Some sports
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  Speaker 3: docs that are even on the NBA's payroll, a consultant
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: to the NBA, Dr. Richard Ferkel, who operated on Klay
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Thompson's Achilles tear, and also on Steph Curry's ankle injuries,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: DeMarcus Cousins' Achilles tear. This is the preeminent foot and
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: ankle doc in the NBA. They're all saying something's up.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: And we're all kind of terrified of the idea that
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  Speaker 3: today's game is just too much force on these bodies.
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  Speaker 3: Too many games, too many up-tempo games, like the game
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: is faster, and there's so many three-pointers now, Bomani, that
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: they got to defend 40 feet out now in ways
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: that you would see a lot of pick-and-roll actions back
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: in Rodney Rogers' days. It was 12 feet in, right?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: You set a screen at the top of the key,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: and then you go try to go downhill at the rim. Now,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: as you're going downhill, building up speed, the runway is
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: 50 feet long. A lot of these screens are now
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: being set at half-court. And so think about the geometry
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: of the game and the force that these guys are
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: playing with where you get downhill now, Bomani, and you're
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: running full speed for 40 feet instead of 10 feet.
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  Speaker 3: And you got to stop on a dime like these
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  Speaker 3: decels that you see Anthony Edwards, Jalen Brunson, Denny Abdiah,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Stephon Castle. James Harden was great at this when he
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: was at his peak. The decels, the step backs, all
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  Speaker 3: of this is in the stew for why we're seeing
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  Speaker 3: more calf strains And Achilles tears. There were seven Achilles
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  Speaker 3: tears last year, which was a league record. And three
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  Speaker 3: were on the same team. The Indiana Pacers, Tyrese Halliburton,
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  Speaker 3: Isaiah Jackson. and James Wiseman. Bomani, how many 23-year-olds can
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  Speaker 3: you remember tearing their Achilles like James Wiseman did? It's
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  Speaker 3: just a very old person injury that we would hear
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  Speaker 3: when we were growing up of like our uncle who
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: went out here and tried to play pickup basketball or
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: your aunt who was going to play tennis and tore
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: their Achilles. We're seeing teams now holding out their guys
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  Speaker 3: longer in these calf strains, and the latest ones are
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  Speaker 3: Evan Mobley and Austin Reeves. They're holding them out for
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: longer now And I think a lot of it has
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  Speaker 3: to do with the kind of PTSD that you see
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  Speaker 3: from Tyrese Halliburton in the NBA finals tearing his Achilles
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  Speaker 3: after a calf strain. And also Damian Lillard tearing his
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  Speaker 3: Achilles after his blood clot in his calf. You saw
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  Speaker 3: Jason Tatum tearing his Achilles. So when Adam Silver is
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: coming out here on the moments before the NBA Cup
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  Speaker 3: final in which Victor Wimbanyama is coming off the bench
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  Speaker 3: because of a calf strain, he's saying we haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: injuries this low. in three years, but he is concerned
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  Speaker 3: about the soft tissue injuries. And I have the data
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  Speaker 3: to prove it. These soft tissue injuries are knocking these
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  Speaker 3: players out for much longer. And stars are not playing
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  Speaker 3: nearly as much as they used to. And that is
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: a big problem for the NBA because the stars are
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: what makes money in the NBA. These contracts, Amazon Prime, NBC,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: they're not shelling out billions of dollars to watch the
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: B teams out here. They're shelling out billions of dollars
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: because Victor Wembenyama and John Morant and Giannis Antetokounmpo. But
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: as of last week, none of those guys were playing
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  Speaker 3: because of these calf strains. And it's a big, big
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  Speaker 3: problem in the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems somewhat unsolvable because they're not going to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: dial back the style of play. Like we talked about
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: this with Benny Goodwill last week, that once new technology
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: is introduced into any system or any universe, people are
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: loathe to dial it back, no matter.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: How much harm it ultimately proves to cause. This is
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the smartphone dilemma.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It's that, boy, we sure need to use these a
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: little bit more, but it can do so many cool
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  Speaker 1: things and people are not going to stop doing.
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  Speaker 2: The cool things.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: The game evolved to a place where I think another analogy,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: a point that I make that I think is similar
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  Speaker 1: on this is the reason they didn't pass the ball
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  Speaker 1: in football as much in the past as they did
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: now is passing is really, really hard. And so they
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: figured out ways to make passing easier. But as it goes,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they're like, why can't we develop more good quarterbacks? Because
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: this is unnatural. What we're asking for them to do, right?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: The technology has gone to a place that the people
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: can't keep up with in the technology of basketball, which
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: is these schemes and in part, like the size of
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the players and everything else. It can't keep up.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not going to get dialed back. So what
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: do you do?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Do you turn it now into a sport that runs
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: like hockey where you have like three lines of people
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and they only play like 20 minutes a game? Like
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: what's the coach with the Grizzlies who's starting off with
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: his approach this year of we're just gonna play really
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: hard for four minutes at a time. I don't think
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that's a sustainable way to play. I don't even know
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: if he's still doing that nonsense, but that was his
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: plan coming into it. Like, I don't know what you're
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: supposed to do now that all these advents have been introduced,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: how you can get it to dial back.
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  Speaker 3: You cut 20 games from the schedule. That's how you
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: do it. Yeah. Well, there's that. You know, in, in
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Tuesday's press conference, Adam Silver said, you know, we're studying this. We, we,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: we are concerned that star players are not playing as
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: much as they used to. That's a real problem. But
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: he said, there is no silver bullet here. And I
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: was wondering if that was a lowercase S silver or
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: an uppercase S because there is a silver bullet and
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: it's to reduce the games in the schedule to build
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: in more recovery days. And I think the NBA has
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: a marketing problem. And, rest. It's not rest. It's not
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: like they're kicking back and by the beach, by the
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: pool and resting their bodies. It's recovery. The bodies can't
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: simply keep up with the pace of the game and
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: the travel and the 82 games. And you can say, Hey,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: back in the day, look, man, if you stack up
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: the number of possessions that was in the 98 NBA finals,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: which the Utah Jazz and the Chicago Bulls, and you
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: stack up against the Indiana Pacers and the Oklahoma City Thunder,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: it is Mount Everest to Mount McKinley. It is two
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: very different equations we're talking about, the number of possessions
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: that are in every game. So you can say, hey,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: MJ was out here averaging 40 minutes a game, and
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Shea Gildress Alexander's averaging 30 minutes. And they can't play
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: 82 games? If you look at the number of possessions
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: that these guys are playing, running up and down the floor,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: and mind you, possessions is not some ephemeral idea. Possessions
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: is running up and down the floor. It is trips
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: up and down the floor. It's as if we added
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: two innings to a baseball game and wondered why all
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: these pitches weren't throwing complete games anymore. It's because the
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: unit of measurement in the NBA, yes, people talk about
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: 48 minutes. It's still 48 minutes. but it's not in
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: the number of possessions. The game is so much faster.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: The geometry of the game is so much wider that
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: you're asking bigs to play like guards out here and
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: defend the three-point line when Kevin McHale wasn't out here
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: defending the three-point line and pick-and-roll coverages like they do now.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: It's so different of a sport, and I think the
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: NBA has to get everybody together. I'm talking stakeholders on
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the ownership side. I'm talking the medical side, the players' side.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and have them come together and figure out a way
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: to reduce games in the schedule without losing revenue. And that,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: as we're both econ guys, figuring a way to lower
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: the supply of games but raising the demand, I feel
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: like there's a sweet spot here. But man, these franchise
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: values are going way up, and I don't know if
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: all of these owners are going to be trying to
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: hear that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are at a point of what they call
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Pareto optimality.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Right. Like you are trying to figure out how to
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: make this one thing better without hurting this other thing. Right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: And that's, that's their trick bag.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: And for context, for people, the top five seasons for
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: fastest pace of play in the NBA top 15, excuse me,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: are all before 1990.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Number 16 is 2019, 2020 season. And then number 17
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: is this season.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Currently. I bring that up to say, The pace of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the game in the 70s and 80s was a fast
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: up and down, but the side-to-side game was entirely different.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a big change that's happening now
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: is what is demanded of you, not just that it's
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: moving fast, going back and forth, but what you got
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: to do once you get to that other end of
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the floor.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: That part has changed dramatically.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Um a great deal but you're right you can't have
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: your best players not just dropping like flies but they're
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: young players and this isn't like the nfl where you
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: just roll another guy up and then oh suddenly we
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: have another star right like the nba nfl is built
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: for those guys to swap in and out like that
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: this league ain't that and you hope they figure it
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: out soon because they got a great rookie class in
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the nba this year a really really good one and
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you can't help but wonder if there's gonna be dropping
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: by the time they're 26.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what the worry is, is that not
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: only are you seeing a lot more injuries in the NBA,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: but when they come into the league, they've got a
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: lot of specialization injuries, right? Is that when we were
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: growing up, Bomani, if you were good, you were a
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: great athlete, you're playing four different sports year round. Not
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: year round, but in seasons.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: You're going to play basketball, you're going to play football,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: you're going to play baseball, you're going to play lacrosse, hockey,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: whatever it is. But now these guys are coming into
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the NBA with like, way more mileage on those tires
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: and joints than you'd expect given that they're 20 years old.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: And so that's the worry is like for the NBA
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: and Adam Silver talked about it. Vinny Goodwill asked the
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: question shots to Vinny on this is like, what do
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: you attribute this to? And Adam Silver said, we have
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: to look at this holistically, not just at the NBA,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: but coming into the league. It's not an easy problem
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: to solve. I'm writing about it because I'm noticing the
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: medical data and I'm noticing all the injury data and
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: seeing that star players now, Bomani, are missing one out
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: of three games, whereas just a couple years ago, it
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: was one out of five. One out of three games,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: a star player is going to miss in the NBA now,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: which is not good for ticket prices and it's not
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: a short-term hit. I think it's a long-term hit that Fans,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: when they go and they take their kids to a
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: game thinking LeBron's going to play or that Victor Rembenyama's
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: going to play and they don't because they're on the
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: second night of a back-to-back and you're like, I just
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: paid $ 400 to take my family to this game and
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: the guy wasn't there, that's a long-term hit. That means
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: that ticket buyer is going to think twice the next
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: time he can take his family to an NBA game
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: and he's going to probably spend that money elsewhere. And
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: that's what the NBA doesn't want. They don't want these
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: fans who would punt down $ 400 to go to a
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: game and take their family and potentially lose that young
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: kid fan for life because they realize, hey, man, it
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter to these games. Even though that's not true,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: it's just the injuries, the bodies aren't able to withstand
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: 82 games like they used to. So it's a real
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: big problem. And I do think that the NBA has
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: the data. They just got to figure out how we
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: negotiate this with the players union, and the ownership and
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: all of the facts and the data has to come
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: together to find a solution. This is not easy for
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Adam Silver.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because most of those players would not give back
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: money to get more time off.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: You have to make a compelling argument that they wouldn't
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: lose money. And so that's where you got to get
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: the best economist in the room or best salesman in
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: the room to explain to the players union that if
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: we reduce the games in the schedule... Revenue-wise, we can
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: make that up on the back end with national TV
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: games or with more eyeballs on the games because each
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: game matters more and there's not back-to-backs anymore that more
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: people are going to watch. And they have the storylines.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I keep coming back to this. In the NFL, in
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: fantasy football, I am constantly looking at my app to
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: the lead-up four days before the game to see who's
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: going to play. There's storylines everywhere. are about the Saturday
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: and Sunday football games with college football and the NFL.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: And they breathe these stories and they talk about these
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: stories and the matchups and the dynamics at play for
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: days on end. We don't have that in the NBA.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: And I feel like if we reduce the schedule down,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: we're going to have a lot more energy and a
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: lot more stakes to these games because there's time to
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: talk about it. And that oxygen, I think, is going
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: to be a real big part of this equation going forward.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: All right, I want to talk.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: About another story that is interesting that has come out,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: which is.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: That Joe Lacob.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Joe Lacob, for those of you who don't know, is
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the owner of the Golden State Warriors. I mean, that's
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: a first class dork right there. But he's a dork
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: that I had to give him this. When they were
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: winning 50 games and they were telling us that Mark
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Jackson was holding them back and he was making all
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: these faces at him during games. I was like, well,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: how good do you expect Steph Curry and Klay Thompson
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: to be? And score one for Joe Link. He was there,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: but then he went too far. And he said there
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: were light years ahead of everybody else. And those light
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: years didn't really last that long.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: What's the most valuable franchise in the NBA right now, Bomani?
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: And would you have believed when I told you that
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: with Mark Jackson and all the smirks that he was
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: giving to Mark Jackson that it would one day be
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the Golden State Warriors by a mile? You would have
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: thought I was crazy.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: No, in a world with the New York Knicks in it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: It is crazy. He's pulled this off. He just has
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: this knack of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Remember when they won the championship and he gave credit
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to whoever it was in the front office for getting
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: guys to all those great contracts? Translation, way to work
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: these suckers and not give them as much money as
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: they probably deserve.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, what are you talking about? He said
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: something crazy about Steph, I feel like, up there. I
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: was like, what are you doing? His latest, what are
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: you doing?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: After, by the way, the two timeline situation where he
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: tried to win for now and later, which was hubris,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: just the ultimate hubris.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: You can't do that in this league. But anyway, now
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: we are here.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Some fans sent him an angry email about the current
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: state of the franchise. And for whatever reason, and this
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: happens from time to time, Joe Lacob replied. He, as
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the kid said, had time, um, I am trying to
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: find word for word what it is.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: That Joe Lacob said.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: But the long of the short, Steve Kerr has said
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: that he didn't have a problem with this reply to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the email, which I can't promise you that I would
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: feel that way. But Lacob said to the person who
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: said that Jimmy Butler was being utilized improperly because the
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: roster didn't have enough size. And he said he was
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: really frustrated. And Joe Lacob replied, you can't be as
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: frustrated as me. I am working on it.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: It's complicated. Style of play. Coach's desire regarding players. League trends.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Jimmy is not the problem. And I felt like Jimmy's
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: the only person to come out of this unscathed.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Man, Steve Kerr can read that and say, that's a
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: shot at me. And anytime you have owner emails going
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: out in public, not a great look. It's not something
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: you as an NBA head coach want to deal with
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: at a press conference and have to answer for that.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: But it's very clear that Joe Lacob wants Jonathan Kaminga
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: and the Moses Moody experiment to work in his favor
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: because he was out here bragging about the two timelines
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: and saying, hey, we can win championships and develop players
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: at the same time. The problem with that is if
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Kaminga and Moses Moody aren't it, you can't go
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: back and redo those picks, Bomani. That's the thing about
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: being right in the draft is you only got those
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: two swings. And if you strike out on those two swings,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: then you got to pack it up and say, all right,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: We made a mistake and we're getting off of this
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: and we're going to go get some veterans. They still
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: haven't moved off the Jonathan Kaminga thing. They haven't. And
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: we're now here where he... making $ 22 million a year
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: to be getting DMP CDs. And Steve Kerr does not
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: want Jonathan Kaminga out there. He's made it very clear
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: that by benching him in these games in which they
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: need help. I just did the Blazers game. The Blazers
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: are 3-0. against the Golden State Warriors, and Jonathan Kaminga
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: the other night didn't play a single minute in that
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: game in which Stephen Curry had 48 points. It is
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: not a good situation there in Golden State, under. 500
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: here with Jonathan Kaminga in the doghouse, and I gotta say,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: the more that this plays out, I think the Golden
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: State Warriors are losing leverage, and this is the problem
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: by bringing back Jonathan Kaminga when everyone knows he's not
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: here for the long haul, is the more that this
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: plays out, the larger chance that this is a situation
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: where they have to give up an extra first-round pick
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: to move off of this guy. It's not a good situation.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: And Joe Lacob, at some point, he can't be sending
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: those emails out with those kind of particulars because in
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: this day and age, it's going to get out, dude.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, Jimmy, you could argue, is not the
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: player that he was, but the player that he is
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: is still really good. Steph is not the player that
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: he was, but the player that.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: He is, is still really good. Like, they're top two guys.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, Jimmy's putting up 51 from the floor, 44
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: from three, 85 from the line. Like, that's what you're
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: getting out of Jimmy Butler. Like, they still have it
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: at the top. But if you weren't going to play Kaminga,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: then it just had... I mean, they got off a
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Wiseman a long time ago, right? I have been fascinated
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: by the fact that this one, he just can't let
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: go of.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: And I said last.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Year, I got a lot of hell for this, where
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, the discussions were coming up about the
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: idea of LeBron going to the Warriors, which would never happen,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, Hey, don't give up your best young
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: player in order to make that trade. I was like,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I would keep coming under them circumstances, but not if
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: it's going to be, if this is what you do.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: It's not because I don't think it's, I don't think
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: it's Jimmy Butler's fault that they're at where they're at.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I think it's a roster problem. I think right now
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: the Golden State Warriors have no athleticism. And the one
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: guy who does seem to have it in terms of
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: like the ability to jump really high and finish at
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: a high level, Jonathan Kaminga can't get on the floor
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: because he's, Steve Kerr flat out does not trust that guy.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: It's very clear that he does not trust that guy
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: to play the kind of basketball. And that's why I
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: think style of play is doing a lot of work
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: in that email because I think what he wants to
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: say or what the implication is, he's not going to
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: be playing the Steve Kerr brand of basketball. The IQ
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: that you need on the basketball court to play with
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Steph Curry, Jimmy Butler, and Draymond Green, I don't think
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Kaminga is about that life. And we're going to
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: try to figure out the best situation here, but that's
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: the coach. And Jimmy Butler is not the problem. It's
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: that they have Al Horford, who's hurt and dealing with
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: a very 40-year-old injury that LeBron knows very well, sciatica.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: This is a team that does not have much athleticism,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: and they're forced to play a lot of three-guard lineups.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: And in today's NBA, man, it can't be Steph Curry
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: is dropping 48 points in a loss. It can't happen
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: when you have a guy who's at this stage of
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: his career, done this much for your franchise, and he
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: is the reason they're a number one evaluation team. on
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: the NBA chart and up there with the Dallas Cowboys.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: He is the reason, and he can't be out here
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: averaging 30 points a game and being on an under
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: 500 team. That is a problem. And the Golden State Warriors, man,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I believed in them this year, but a lot of
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: it was hinged on a 40-year-old Al Horford doing the
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: things he was doing for Boston last year, and he
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: hasn't been MIA for a lot of this season.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Steph Curry turns 38 in March.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: The thing about he and Chris Paul is we don't
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: typically see guys this small playing this deep into their
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: careers and still being effective. Chris Paul playing 82 games,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: starting 82 games for the Spurs last year is just
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: unheard of. Steph Curry averaging 30 at age 38 is
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: unheard of. It's unheard of to see him playing at
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: age 38 at the size that he is, much less
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: being one of the top 10 players in the league.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: But that's where we're at with Steph Curry. And maybe
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: if you give one thing to Joe Lacob is like,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: we had to do the two timeline thing because we
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: could never expect Stephen Curry and Draymond Green and Jimmy
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Butler to be out here playing at this kind of level.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: We had to get some young players in here to be...
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: fulfill that that pipeline but man when you have a
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Steph Curry averaging 30 points a game on 50% shooting
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: and 40% from three you got to build for now
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: and now it's really hard to do that when Jonathan
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Kaminga has zero trade value.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I have always thought the world of Steph Curry right
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: like I covered that tournament in 08 right the the
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: games at Raleigh like I've been there for a lot
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: of I've seen him play at Cameron Indoor Stadium at
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Davidson right And then he got to the NBA, and
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like for the last 17 years, without even
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: realizing I was doing it, I managed to underestimate him
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: at just about every turn while also thinking the world
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: of him.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: And that just continues every.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Year and every day because there's no way in the
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: world that I thought with the type of game that
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: he had that he could still be like this as
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: it is. I have been able to come up with
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: a yeah but for just about every portion of his career,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and he just wipes his ass with every single one
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: of them and then hold it up to my face
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and be like, smell it.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Smell it.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how does it taste? It's right there.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, outside of that championship in 2022,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: what are we talking about post Kevin Durant in terms
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: of the Warriors and their performance? And the answer is
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: not really that much. But I think you raised a point.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: It's kind of because they've underestimated him, one could argue.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. And when Joe Lacob is out here in
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: a championship speech and saying, hey, shouts to the organization
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: for putting this roster together and leaving out Stephen Curry
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: and his name and what he's done for the franchise.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: I think you can safely say that everyone in that
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: organization and everyone in the NBA underestimated Steph Curry and
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: he is still out here in top 10 in the
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: scoring in the NBA at age 38 is absurd. But
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I can't see him being moved. I can't see Stephen
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Curry not finishing out his career with the Golden State Warriors.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: So it becomes incumbent on the Warriors to put the
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: pieces around him to succeed. And that's why the Giannis
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Antetokounmpo sweepstakes is really interesting here because Jimmy Butler was
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: pursued by the Phoenix Suns and his contract lines up
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: pretty clean with Giannis Antetokounmpo. And so you can see
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: a world in which the Milwaukee Bucks say, we don't
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: really want Jimmy Butler on this team. but we could
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: want all the picks that you have and some of
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: the young players on the Phoenix Suns. So why don't
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: we just all come together and say, hey, Jimmy Butler,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: I know you couldn't work things out with Phoenix when
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: he was in Miami, but let's get a three-team trade here.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Steph Curry, and Draymond Green playing for the Warriors.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: One last time for Steph Curry to make one last
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: championship push. And he's got Giannis on his team, which
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: got to give Jimmy Butler credit for how well he's
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: played with Golden State when he's healthy. But he ain't
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Giannis Antetokounmpo, and that's why things are really interesting for me.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I will say this.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: The Phoenix attempts to get Jimmy Butler a full-on clown show.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: It was the dumbest. I'm fairly aware of what was
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: going on with that one. It was stupid.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: That's the best that I'll say that I'm comfortable saying
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: right now is I trust that Phoenix will find a
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: way to mess it up. if it comes down to
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: doing that, by the way, somehow they are better than
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: we thought that they would be. I want to throw
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: one last thing at you before we get out of here.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: How do you think this last year of LeBron? Well,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: maybe it's not the last, but the LeBron Lakers 25, 26, where,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: LeBron can have games, but it's obvious he's 40-something years old.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: It's a world where Austin Reeves can average 30 points
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: a game when he doesn't have a calf injury, and
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: where Luka's gotten himself in super-duper shape, but it hasn't
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: quite been MVP-level ball as I thought that it would be.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: But how do you think this goes for this team?
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: They got to do something here because that defense is atrocious.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: They don't get back on defense, and a lot of
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: it is Luka Doncic. He doesn't have the energy to
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: be the 40-point scorer, and who does have the energy
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: to be 40 point score, a 10 assist, a guy,
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: a game guy, and also run back on defense. But
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: of the top 10 slowest guys in miles per hour
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: defensively in the NBA, there's only one team that has
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: multiple guys in that top 10. And the Lakers have
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: three of them in Austin Reeves, LeBron James, and Luka Doncic.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: They don't move. They don't play defense in the way
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: that you have to in today's NBA to win championships.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: And so they got to find a way, Bomani, to
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: upgrade defensively because, they're going to get wiped out in
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: the first round if they play the defense that they're
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: having here. I don't think J.J. Redick, as you saw
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: with the rotation last year in the playoffs, that he
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: went small for basically 48 minutes last year, did not
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: trust Jackson Hayes, did not trust the bigs to play
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: defensively what they needed to in the playoffs. They got
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: to figure out a way that they can get some
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: actual athletes out there and activity on the wing to
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: cover up for three very offensively dominant players. I suspect
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: you're going to hear a lot of Austin Reeves trade
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: talks here in the next few weeks because I don't
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: know if they're going to move off of LeBron. Certainly
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: not going to move off of Luka. But Austin Reeves,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: a guy that is, I think, duplicitous. Not duplicitous. What's
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: the word I'm looking for?
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Repetitive, I think is probably the best way to put it.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Repetitive, where he's a little bit redundant. Redundant. His skill
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: set of being a great ball-dominant guy who can score
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: and pass, you already got two of the best all-time
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: at it, Luka Doncic and LeBron James on the team.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: And so there's a lot of diminishing returns here with
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Austin Reeves, and I got to wonder if he's the
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: guy that gets moved at the trade deadline to try
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: to upgrade. upgrade defensively because this team, it can't have
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: three offensive juggernauts that don't play any defense.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Two things.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: One, I make that duplicitous mistake often.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: It was relatable content. Duplicative?
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: It's not the word I'm trying to say.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think duplicative is closer. Duplicitous means you'd be lying.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: But it feels like it, right? It feels like it
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: lands there. Number two, they can trade Austin Reeves. I
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: get it if they do. I really do. But they're
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: going to have to explain that to the Lokes, the locals.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: The locals are some of the... Hey, man, they ain't
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: had it like this before, baby. Just a good old red-blooded,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: hairy American winning machine. You know what I'm saying? They
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: ain't quite had it like that, boy.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to think of where would Belmonte Jones
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: like to see Austin Reeves play? What team do you
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: think would be embraced the most by Austin Reeves?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Danny Ainge is on line one. I mean, look, the Celtics,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: of course, would enjoy it. But Danny age is, is,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: is all. Let me have said Danny age. That's not,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not casting no aspersions on Danny age. Cause Danny
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: age is also the guy that told ace Bailey.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you think, but you're coming to Utah, son.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the deal, right? To, to, to counterbalance some
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: of that ace. Yeah, man.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Awesome. Reeves. He he's most improved player of the year candidate.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, the way that he's been able to ball
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: out over the last year or so, He's going to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: get a lot of phone calls about him, and he's
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: on this very low contract, which makes it tough for trades,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: and he's going to be up for an extension here
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: and a big contract, but there's going to be teams,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: and that's the thing about Utah. Walker Kessler makes a
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: lot of sense on the Lakers, but after he had
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: an injury that he's out for the rest of the year,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: he kind of crossed it off a list like Steve Buscemi,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: just be able to scratch the Utah Jazz off the list.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: I don't see them making that trade, but There are
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: other teams that could use Austin Reeves as the fulcrum
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: of their offense, and I don't think the Lakers are
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: that team anymore. I think they need to upgrade defensively,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: and J.J. Redick, I don't think he's going to do
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: another year of what they did last year in the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: postseason and just run these guys into the ground because
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: they need to play both ends of the floor, and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: right now they're not.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Walker Kessler came into the league in 2022, and he's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: been on the trade block ever since.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Yep, and he's a restricted free agent. It's sad, man.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: We're not out here crying for millionaire NBA players, but
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: when you are out for the season, right before you're
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: going to be a restricted free agent, we saw how
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: that played out for Cam Thomas and Jonathan Kaminga and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Quentin Grimes this year. That's a tough situation for Walker
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Kessler and his agent.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I cry for people who got to live in Utah.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I think I don't care. I mean, shout out to
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: NBA young boy, but I just that's that's not. It's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: not what I would do. Tom Haverstraw. Check him out
• 1:02:04
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• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you, Bomani.
• 1:02:11
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