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  The man talk 133 with Sure man girl.
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  What's going on, brother? Hey what's that happening bro?
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  How you feeling man 8. 92, we want to welcome everybody into
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  the show. Thanks for tuning in yet again.
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  We really appreciate it. Really appreciate it.
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  So brother, we going to talk tonight about.
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  I'm gonna ask you first. I'm gonna ask you first, what is
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  your definition? What you think?
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  Great. Or greatness is hey man, you the
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  best at your craft, man, you know, whatever it is that you
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  do, you the best, daddy. Right, you're right.
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  I mean, it's like you might. I know you might have another
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  definition over there, but that's what I think it is right
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  off the top. Yeah.
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  Is an extent or amount or intensity considerably above the
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  normal or average of of ability, quality or eminence considerably
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  above normal or average, right. So what makes the person great
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  is subjective, but it often involves a combination of
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  positive character traits and skills that impact others.
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  Greatness can be seen. I'm just reading this to give
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  context right And what we going into character trait skills that
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  impact on others. Greatness can be seen in
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  individuals who demonstrate qualities like honesty,
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  compassion, integrity, courage, and the ability to inspire or
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  make a meaningful difference. Here is a detailed look at some
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  aspects of what contributes to greatness.
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  Strong character and values. Integrity, compassion, honesty,
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  courage, skills and ability. Intellectual curiosity and
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  desire to learn. Being open to new ideas and
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  experiences. Constantly expanding knowledge
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  and skills. Impact and influence.
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  Inspiring others, Making a meaningful difference.
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  Being a positive role model and other aspects of perseverance.
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  Humility, you know, resilience. We talked about that before.
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  That lead us to our main. We went through the little
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  appetizer real quick. That mean now we're about to go
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  to the entree. We're about to eat the.
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  Greatest athletes of all time. Oh man, all.
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  Right, so we got a list. So I'm going to go, I'm going to
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  go down this. I'm going to take my time
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  because I know you, I, I know you brought up some on for run
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  for run for his, his show the other night, which was, you
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  know, kind of a different take on Magic Johnson and LeBron in
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  comparison, right. So the greatest athlete of all
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  time. It's a subjective topic with the
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  different criteria and perspectives, influence and
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  rankings. However, some constantly appear
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  in the top like Hey, Michael Jordan basketball, Tiger Woods
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  golf, homebody boxing, Serena Williams tennis, and you know,
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  Simone Biles gymnastics. Now who do you what?
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  Who is your man? Who is your top guy?
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  Man now for me man, almost now since you when you late you set
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  the table with the individual. Yeah.
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  Because I know we're going to get back into the basketball and
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  all that arena in a little bit. But when you lay the foundation
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  as far as individual, it's got to be for me, man, it's got to
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  be it got to be between Ali and I would say Serena.
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  The reason why, the reason why I say, well, you know, of course,
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  Ali, you know, it's a that's an individual sport, right?
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  So you know, you got the box, you know, you getting hit upside
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  here, you got the duck stick and move or whatever, right?
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  So, you know, you ain't got no team in the same thing with
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  Serena on that that tennis court now I ain't you never played
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  tennis out, you know, we know how we did play.
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  Tried it out a little bit. But yeah, it takes some skill
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  and some will to run back and forth, back and forth, up to the
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  net, serving, taking serves from other people and got to give it
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  back to him, you know? That's that's, that's hard, man.
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  That's how. What about?
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  What about Iron Mike though? Since you talk about boxing,
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  what about Iron Mike? Well, I mean, yeah, I might he,
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  you know, he great in his own way too, but not, you know, Ali.
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  Ali was on to me another level. Cause see Ali could go, Ali
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  could go the distance. And I think back then see Ali
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  them, they had 15 roundabouts. Yeah, yeah.
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  And what about, what about George?
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  What? What about throwing George
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  Foreman? And then he and they do the Roma
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  in the jungle or something like that.
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  Them too. Yeah, yeah.
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  They hey, man. That's why I say, man, it's,
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  it's tough, man. They said, they said it's
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  subjective. So I'm, you know, I just want
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  to, you know, even with, I mean, I mean, yeah, you can.
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  Debate it all day. But it's it's tough, man,
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  because like I said, you know, back then they had boxers, They
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  didn't nobody duck, didn't nobody duck nobody like today.
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  True that. You know what I'm saying?
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  You know, Ali and Frazier and Foreman, all them boys fought
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  each other. True that.
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  They did. They did, man.
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  And what about, well, Simone Biles?
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  I don't know. Anybody can do whenever you can
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  do flip. And they can't even give you a
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  score for it because they ain't never seen it, right?
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  That means you are legit. Yeah, you can.
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  You can. You can kind of put her that
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  way. I say it's, it's, it's tough,
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  man. But because I guess a lot of
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  people would probably look at her as like Gabby Douglas, Gabby
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  Douglas kind of type, whatever, even though Simone came and put
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  the chair on top. But you know, before Simone, it
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  was Gabby. True that, you know what I'm
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  saying? So she was, she was knocking it
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  out the box and then, you know, so it's, it's, it's all it's a
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  good topic, though. It's it's really good.
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  What about the dude? I can't think of his name, The
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  one that used to get mad in tennis and go to hidden stuff.
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  What about him, boy? Come on, Mag and row.
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  Yeah. I remember him.
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  Come here. How good was he though?
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  Was he? I know Serena in as a female.
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  She's the greatest female, right?
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  That's that's how I was looking at it.
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  So what about him, man? And as far as being like as, as
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  a male, like who, who, who's the greatest, it's got to be him,
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  right? No, man, I would think Sampras,
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  man. No, no, I forgot the other dude
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  that just retired. But it's, you know, yeah,
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  Sampras, back in the day, too, now.
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  True that, Sampras. Was like he was.
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  He was. He was beast too.
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  Yeah, you know my research, when I did my research, they tried to
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  suppress some of it, but they don't go and get past that.
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  Do it. I was trying to tell you I was
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  just like, if some of the stuff I was looking at, I was just
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  like, bro, like, you know, OK, they say Michael Jordan,
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  naturally they going to say LeBron with Jordan's dominance
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  and and LeBron James longevity and versatility that made right
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  now in this in basketball, you have one and you have 1A because
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  I can't say 1:00 and 2:00 because it's hard to say that,
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  you know, based on LeBron, I mean based on Jordan that he was
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  because we talked about two totally different eras of
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  basketball. And see what I always tell
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  people, man, you know, like a lot of people, you know,
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  sometime they go over their head when they get this Jordan and
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  LeBron comparison. And a lot you'd be surprised at
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  the people that would say that they never heard heard this
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  before. But I will say it's Jordan and
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  Kobe want the same. They put LeBron against Jordan
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  because cause LeBron, you know, every kid growing up wanted to
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  wear #23 So LeBron chose 23 when he was in high school, right?
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  You know, he was a high flyer or whatever.
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  You know, he really, he's really an end game dunker.
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  He ain't no, no flying in there like mic number, whatever.
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  But he's no, back when he was really athletic, he was an end
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  game dunker. So, you know, so when he had the
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  23, he was a high flyer. They they automatically compare
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  him to Jordan. Right.
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  But really, he's a more athletic Magic Johnson.
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  For sure, I agree with that. Because he's a great passer, he
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  can see the floor. He's like a big point guard.
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  So that's, that's who I, that's who I always compare Jordan to.
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  I mean, LeBron to his Magic. But for some reason, because of
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  the the iconic #23 they always, they always put LeBron against
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  Jordan. But really, it's not.
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  It's Kobe. It's Mike, Dennis, Kobe.
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  Yeah, I agree with that man, but for some reason, I don't know
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  what the reason is, I guess because like you said #23 coming
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  out of school and he was the chosen one in high school, you
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  know, coming out of high school. I guess that's why they kind of
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  compared them to Jordan. That's what I guess I would say
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  that. But I mean, you got to think
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  about it, though, to be 6869 and 260 and run the floor like he
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  run it. You got to you got to kind of
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  you got to kind of look at him different.
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  Unlike you, he he he he is more like a no look pass like like
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  magic. But it's kind of those two for
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  some reason. They got them going back and
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  forth and you know who's 1A and 111A, you know?
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  What I mean, right, And you know, like I say, if you go back
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  to the Jordan, the Jordan aspect of it, like growing up, you
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  know, I got a chance to see Doctor J.
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  Yeah. For sure, you know, So it was
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  Doctor J, then Mike came in, moved him out.
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  Then it was Kobe came in. Then the next guy before T Mac
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  in Grant Hill got hurt. The next guy coming on the scene
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  is going to be Ant Man Anthony Ellis.
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  He got that type of game. See, when you look at LeBron,
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  you got magic, you had penny. See a lot of people forget about
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  penny Hardaway 69 point guard shoot, run the floor, whatever.
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  So now you got Magic Penny, then you throw LeBron in there.
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  They thought being Simmons was going to be that same type of
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  dude, 69 point guard, but he didn't.
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  Paying out? No, he didn't.
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  Paying out? That's why I put, that's why I
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  put LeBron on that, that side of the spectrum.
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  But like I say, you know, it's the number.
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  It's just like with kids in high school football or college
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  football, everybody wear that #7 they want to be Mike Vick.
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  Then let me ask you that. What?
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  What do you think they throw Tatum in there because Jason
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  Tatum, the the way he, if he keep playing like he's playing,
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  I don't know who to compare him to.
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  Yeah, he. He's kind of like his own.
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  Yeah, he player, Yeah, he's kind of like his own player, you
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  know? Yeah, he he's built more like
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  McGrady, true lanky or whatever, but he ain't no, he ain't no dog
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  like McGrady, though. Yeah, and I think that's the
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  only thing that's that's making him not be considered as that.
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  He don't have that dog. Like, you know, he don't have
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  it, you know what I'm saying? Like, like Tracy McGrady and
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  those guys had it. Even though we can ball.
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  I've seen him, you know, we went to the game to see him play.
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  He can ball, but he just don't have it, you know what I'm
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  saying? And.
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  See McGrady, you know the injuries got McGrady, but like
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  you said, McGrady had that dog boy.
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  Yeah, I can say, you know, you know Tatum don't, but they kind
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  of got the the game is kind of similar, but it's just like you
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  say, he missing something. He definitely is.
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  But you know, I, I think I think once we're going to see a we're
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  going to really see a big difference once LeBron and all
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  the steps and all the guys step down, we're going to definitely
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  see who going to be who. Because now, you know, they had
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  this debate whether the man from Indiana is a superstar.
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  My man shot the shot the other night and it bounced and dropped
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  in. Now they having that
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  conversation. But I don't think he's there
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  yet. I don't I don't I don't believe
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  he there yet. But it was a.
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  Good shot, man. SGA man.
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  I'm OK. We man, SGA man.
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  That boy nice boy. That boy.
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  Nice. Yes, and that's what I'm saying.
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  So it just it just depends, but I don't know, man, I don't know.
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  I I kind of I think it just depends on like the era, the era
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  you in is the one is who you going to pick and stuff like
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  that. But we're going, we're going to
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  jump back into this thing man, after.
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  The break about them errors, yeah.
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  Welcome back to man dog 133 with Shaw and hey man so so I know
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  who's talking about the the Jordans and all of them.
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  So there's some more notables up here and then I'm going to go
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  give the breakdown of why they say, you know, why they compare
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  LeBron and Jordan versus versus Magic.
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  All right, So Pele, he was a legendary soccer figure in
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  soccer. His impact on the sport has has
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  achievements, including three World Cups, as well as are well
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  documented. But I'm I'm going to give a
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  breakdown on him too. I'm just giving some some other
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  people that were note that were mentioned as being great in
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  their own area, Pele soccer, Usain Bolt, track and field,
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  Micah Phelps, swimming, hockey, Wayne Gretzky and naturally
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  football, Tom Brady, right. Oh yeah.
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  So Michael Jordan's greatness stem from a a a potent,
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  competent combination of exceptional athleticism and pale
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  skill and mental toughness. He was a dominant scorer.
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  He was a real tough leader, a true showman who captivated the
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  world. Now his some of the key factors
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  about him, his unmatched athleticism.
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  Jordan possessed incredible leaping ability, which we knew
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  they jumped from the the free throw line, his speed, his
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  agility, he'd be able to perform high flying dunks, all kind of
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  stuff. His exceptional skills.
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  He was a, you know, the fadeaway jumper.
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  You know, you remember all that stuff, the fadeaway, all that,
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  you know what I'm saying? His defense, you know, Jordan
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  was a nine time all defense first team selection, a
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  defensive force known for. His he had that.
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  He had that wheel, man. It was like, you know, that old
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  school wheel back in the day, man, Like you ain't going to
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  beat me. That's that's what he had.
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  Like you ain't going to beat me. And to the guys that we were
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  talking to the other night, he from North Carolina.
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  Yeah. Cali boys called calling him
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  out, huh? Yeah.
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  I got to put him out there. I told him I was going to get
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  him back. It's all good.
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  Yeah, he had the road with Carolina.
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  Yeah, yeah. Unwavering competitive drive.
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  He had a a desire to win and a fierce determination that filled
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  his incredible performances. Like the flu game, You know,
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  they got the shoes named after that, the flu game.
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  And, you know, he was sick during that game.
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  But I mean, he showed out though.
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  I mean, he he just had this mental toughness.
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  He had like, the adaptability, like he just had all of these
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  things that made him great. Yeah, I, I watched him play.
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  You watched him probably more than I have, so.
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  Yeah, and it's like you said, man, like we was talking about
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  earlier, you see, he had that. He had that.
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  I think it's like a 43 inch vertical.
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  So he was a high flyer. You know, he could, you know, he
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  did it all. See, that's the difference with
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  him and LeBron. LeBron could fly too, but he
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  couldn't fly like that. Like that's why I say Bron was
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  an end game Duncan and Mike was, you know, you know that that
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  show enough high flyer like Dominique.
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  Yeah, it was like, I mean, thank LeBron 6-8 who came 69, you
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  should be able to dunk some from anywhere in the world and on the
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  GOAT, right? And and then too, like you said
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  about errors, just like the young lady that we had on the
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  show, we was on the show with him the other night.
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  See, the only thing she knew what what she was saying, she
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  said Kobe was her GOAT. Yeah, because, you know, he
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  played for so long. See, when she when she started
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  watching ball, that's all she saw was Kobe.
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  That's it. Growing up, Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. So quite naturally, Kobe's going
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  to be be her goat, you know what I'm saying?
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  Yeah, that's a that's a true statement, man.
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  And you know, like with LeBron, like in this era, we we talk
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  about, we can talk about LeBron. LeBron James is widely right
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  now. Right now.
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  Old people catch all breath, old people.
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  I'm saying right now, the old fogey right now.
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  He said. Bron, they'll fight you over.
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  Joy, you ain't like a boy. Get gossiped by the boy the
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  devil. I said calm down old folk.
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  I'm just saying right now in this era, LeBron James is widely
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  considered the NB as GOAT greatest of all time due to a
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  combination of his unparalleled longevity, scoring prowess and
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  versatility as a player. He achieved the NBA all time
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  scoring record. He has won multiple
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  championships, he has constantly LED in various statistical
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  categories throughout his career.
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  His ability to play multiple positions, his leadership on and
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  off the court, on and off the court, and his impact as a whole
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  contributed to his claim to the GOAT title.
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  Let me let me say this too 1 notch.
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  I think that what they've given him over, over over Jordan is is
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  off the court. The new, the new, the new
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  school. Yeah, now.
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  Everybody I'm saying yeah, yeah, you're right.
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  Yeah, he gave him he off the court he was he he done more
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  stuff, you know, then Jordan did.
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  Jordan won't really about. He's about balling into the bag.
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  That's it. Yeah, give me my money and let
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  me get my shoes out. We good all that other stuff.
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  I don't really. Now he has come around, but
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  during his playing career he didn't.
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  He didn't do all that. You know what I'm saying,
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  LeBron, this is a more detailed breakdown of what LeBron has
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  done to the haters out there. Hope Jordan get to see this or
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  if he listening, he's a straight up, straight up with LeBron
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  James hater and his own wax. I put it on wax for you.
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  Wow, Al Jordan or? My son Jordan, you know my son
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  Jordan. OK.
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  I had to make sure, you know, was it a big Jordan or your
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  Jordan? No, we talking about the little
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  Jordan minds, the one that hate on LeBron all the time.
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  Come on man, He he hate LeBron. Come on, Jordan.
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  Hey bro, I'm gonna tell you right now who is his.
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  Guy who is his guy who? He bossing all the way.
• 24:43
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he yelled. OK, I got see.
• 24:45
  I see the picture now. Yeah, he bought a dude, but he
• 24:48
  on wax now. He wanted to be famous.
• 24:50
  I made him famous, you know. So they're getting some
• 24:55
  breakdown. LeBron, the the reason why he
• 24:58
  got the GOAT status, his longevity.
• 25:01
  He has played for 21 seasons, a rare feat in the enemy in the
• 25:06
  NBA. His ability to maintain a high
• 25:08
  level of play for such an extended period of time is
• 25:12
  remarkable. Again, we talk about error
• 25:16
  because back in the day when you play against the Detroit Pistons
• 25:20
  and and you worm and all them, it's different.
• 25:23
  Yeah, in the Knicks. Well, Oakley and Mason.
• 25:25
  Yeah, now. You can go through, you can go
• 25:28
  through the paint, and if you get your arm swiped, they're
• 25:31
  going to call a foul. Back then, they didn't care
• 25:33
  about none of that. I think man, for the game today,
• 25:36
  man, that's what I don't like about the game now, man.
• 25:38
  I will watch it, but I don't really get really too focused
• 25:42
  into it. I watched the game now, man.
• 25:44
  It's like every time the guys go to the basket, they shoot a jump
• 25:47
  shot. They throwing their hands up at
• 25:49
  the rear of like yo, where the foul at me?
• 25:51
  I'm like, just play ball, man. Just play ball.
• 25:53
  Or they shooting the jumper and if somebody run past them like
• 25:56
  they gonna block the shot they, you know, flat in their hands
• 25:59
  out like they falling down like they've been like somebody
• 26:01
  killed them or something. Yeah, you too big for that?
• 26:04
  Man, yeah, man, just play ball, man.
• 26:06
  If I was a real, if I was a real, they probably would.
• 26:08
  They probably would get rid of me because I wouldn't.
• 26:10
  I would never make them calls. I'm trying today you get your
• 26:13
  big self up that. Yeah, that's what I tell them.
• 26:16
  To get up. And then LeBron, he's all time
• 26:21
  leading scorer, surpassing Kareem Abdul Jabbar in 2023.
• 26:26
  He got that on his belt. His he's versatile.
• 26:30
  LeBron is a versatile player who can excel at multiple positions,
• 26:34
  scoring rebounds as assistant defense, you know, make him all
• 26:39
  around player. And that's kind of what they
• 26:42
  were saying about Jordan. You know, I don't know, I I
• 26:47
  thought he was a way around the player, you know what I'm
• 26:49
  saying? That's what I thought.
• 26:50
  I guess he won't pass in that much.
• 26:52
  I don't know, but I thought he was well.
• 26:55
  No, Mike was like, get out the way, like Kobe, give me.
• 26:58
  The ball and get out the way. I'm trying to tell you, dog,
• 27:03
  give me the ball and move dog. And that's what that's what
• 27:07
  that's why he didn't get the assist, I guess you know what
• 27:09
  I'm saying. I mean, naturally, not Kobe.
• 27:15
  You got me saying Kobe naturally.
• 27:17
  Jordan got LeBron in rings. You know, he has, I think he has
• 27:20
  6. LeBron has what, four?
• 27:22
  Yeah, but he has won four NBA championships, multiple MVP
• 27:26
  awards for and the Finals MVP. His leadership, everybody like
• 27:32
  everybody liked playing with LeBron.
• 27:34
  They didn't like Kobe, not Kobe, but they didn't like Jordan so
• 27:37
  much. Oh, they ain't like they ain't
• 27:39
  like Kobe either. Kobe used to cuss them out.
• 27:41
  They won't like that. Yeah, they didn't like that, you
• 27:44
  know? They didn't like that part at
• 27:46
  all, that the impact on the game.
• 27:49
  Lebron's influence on the game extends beyond statistics and
• 27:53
  accolades. He is known for his play making
• 27:55
  abilities, the ability to elevate his teammates and his
• 27:59
  commitment to the game. But you got to give him that
• 28:01
  though, because if you going 21 years and you still can put up
• 28:05
  37 points whenever you want to. Yep.
• 28:08
  And the crazy part, the crazy thing about it is, man, a lot of
• 28:12
  these guys now, even though a lot of people may hate on
• 28:15
  LeBron, yeah, they they are now realizing like this dude went to
• 28:21
  the the Finals, the especially Eastern, he was in the Finals
• 28:24
  like every year. Yeah, like 810 years one.
• 28:27
  If like 10 or something like that, straight years or
• 28:29
  something. Like that?
• 28:30
  Nobody, basically. You know what I'm saying?
• 28:32
  So and now you looking at all these other guys, they can't
• 28:35
  they, they get to the finals one year and they might not get back
• 28:38
  no more. Yeah, true.
• 28:39
  That true? Then another thing that they're
• 28:42
  doing with LeBron that you know that that they're killing them
• 28:45
  all too. Like they expecting LeBron, a 40
• 28:48
  year old to be like 20 year old. LeBron didn't make the man 40
• 28:54
  and he's still playing. And this news, you know, you
• 28:58
  know, that's why that's why I say man, you know, I give, I
• 29:00
  give Braun his props. Now I, you know, like I said, I
• 29:03
  like, I like Braun when he was at Cleveland both times,
• 29:06
  hometown kid or whatever, but I didn't like him when he was with
• 29:09
  the Heat Coast. A lot of Cowboy fans, you know,
• 29:12
  they were Miami Heat fans, so you know how they went.
• 29:15
  Yeah, you ain't like none of that.
• 29:16
  Yeah, Then I rock Whedon. I rocked Whedon when he was
• 29:18
  with, you know, he out in Lai like him, you know, out there,
• 29:21
  you know what I'm saying? You know, change the scenery or
• 29:22
  whatever. But that's why they give.
• 29:24
  That's why they give Brown so much flak, man.
• 29:27
  Yeah, I mean, he's 40. Yeah, you got and that's where
• 29:29
  people keep forgetting he's 40 bro, and he's putting up more
• 29:34
  points at 40 and some of the guys is just coming into the
• 29:38
  league or been in the league half his time.
• 29:42
  So I mean, I'm all I'm saying is this 'cause we up against this
• 29:46
  break and I'm gonna, I'm gonna come back and break down the
• 29:48
  GOAT debate. We're going to give, you know,
• 29:50
  I'm gonna give statistics and whatever on LeBron and and
• 29:54
  whatever. Let me say this to y'all, the
• 29:57
  man 40. Stop hating on him, dog. 40 and
• 30:01
  still running that point guard yes, like magic.
• 30:04
  That's why I say he's like magic.
• 30:06
  He can go down. He can go down in the post hey?
• 30:09
  Hey, we up against the break, y'all?
• 30:11
  We'd be right back. Y'all all right?
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• 34:41
  So before we went to the break, we were talking about LeBron and
• 34:45
  Michael. Now I'm going to see if this is
• 34:49
  going to help change your mind or who the GOAT really is.
• 34:54
  I'm just saying they statistically said I, I'm just
• 34:59
  telling you what they say now. I ain't say it old folk, don't
• 35:02
  get mad with me. Statistically, LeBron is
• 35:09
  considered superior to Michael Jordan in several areas.
• 35:15
  While Jordan holds an edge in certain stats like points per
• 35:19
  game and steals, LeBron surpasses him in overall points,
• 35:23
  assists, rebounds, and longevity.
• 35:26
  Now I know what the argument is. He's been playing 20 years.
• 35:32
  Jordan played the amount of years he played so he should
• 35:35
  have more points. You do got a point on that.
• 35:38
  However, LeBron is the all time leader, leading scorer in
• 35:47
  assists. LeBron leads in assists per game
• 35:51
  and total assists. Rebounds.
• 35:54
  LeBron has significantly more rebounds than Jordan.
• 35:58
  Longevity. We talked about that.
• 36:00
  He even played, I don't know, he's 41, so he even played over
• 36:03
  400 game, regular season games. And then Jordan and all this
• 36:07
  other stuff, efficient efficiency.
• 36:10
  LeBron has a slightly higher field goal percentage.
• 36:15
  I got. To really understand this than
• 36:16
  than than Jordan, go ahead. Like now I got a good one for
• 36:19
  you that the old folks going to come at you with.
• 36:21
  Oh yeah, but they go let me let me finish them off 1st.
• 36:24
  Yeah, go ahead. I got one for you.
• 36:26
  Triple double S LeBron has more career triple double S than
• 36:30
  Jordan. So I'm just saying I'm, I'm, I'm
• 36:36
  just, I'm giving them the stats. Yeah.
• 36:40
  Right. But the the argument is going to
• 36:42
  be is that, hey, he has played longer, which I agree, right?
• 36:48
  But if you play longer, that means you're more durable and
• 36:51
  you're more, you know, I mean, he just in my era, you know,
• 36:58
  it's hard for me because I like Jordan because of his shoes.
• 37:02
  He has some really nice shoes. But they're going, they're going
• 37:05
  to say, they're going to say Jordan.
• 37:07
  They're going to say Jordan. The old time was going to say
• 37:08
  Jordan because they're going to say he got 6 championship rings
• 37:13
  and he got 6 MVPS in the finals. I understand that.
• 37:17
  That's what they going to come with.
• 37:19
  Come at you with on that. But what did he get, Old people?
• 37:23
  What did he get before he got with the crew he got?
• 37:26
  I tried. To tell him.
• 37:28
  That got it, Pippin. And what did he get before that?
• 37:30
  I'll wait. I yell about holders.
• 37:33
  Grant, Dennis Rodman, I'm just what did he get?
• 37:36
  You see what I'm saying? He didn't get nothing until he
• 37:39
  they talked about LeBron. He went to Miami.
• 37:42
  He did what he did, you know? But Jordan didn't win anything
• 37:48
  either until he got with Scottie and them, you know, all them
• 37:53
  guys. You see, they act like, you
• 37:54
  know, they act like with the Jordan, with the Jordan
• 37:56
  argument, they forget, they act like Jordan only played those
• 37:59
  six seasons. Yeah, that's what they act like.
• 38:02
  That's my point. Yeah, you know, So like I said,
• 38:05
  you know, he caught the Pistons. He caught the Pistons when they
• 38:08
  was on. They was on the downfall.
• 38:10
  They was old. He caught it.
• 38:11
  He caught the Lakers with Worthy and Perkins.
• 38:14
  Yeah. Boys is on the end.
• 38:15
  You know, they. Yeah.
• 38:16
  So it won't really nobody live you.
• 38:18
  If you ask me, I always had that argument too.
• 38:21
  Yeah, and that's my, that's what I'm saying.
• 38:23
  Like I understand what they saying, but up until then he
• 38:27
  ain't win nothing. And after that he didn't win
• 38:30
  nothing even though he got 6, but you got everybody declining.
• 38:34
  He should have been winning. Right.
• 38:37
  I mean, I'm just saying, you know, and they were saying, you
• 38:40
  know, who was better? Michael Jordan and LeBron James
• 38:44
  are two of the greatest basketball players of all time
• 38:47
  and their stats, accolades, and impact on the game often
• 38:51
  compared. While both achieved incredible
• 38:55
  successes, they have different strengths and weaknesses.
• 38:58
  Jordan scoring I mean he he averaged 3030.1 points per game
• 39:05
  in his career you know, leading scoring 10 times.
• 39:09
  Jordan was dominant. He won the defensive year
• 39:12
  defensive player of the year award being selected to 9 all
• 39:16
  defensive teams 6 and O like you just said six and O perfect
• 39:20
  record in the NBA. You know finals and he had a
• 39:24
  strong 119 and 60 playoff record and that you know his efficiency
• 39:30
  rating and win shares was was high.
• 39:33
  LeBron James his play making James is highly skilled.
• 39:38
  He averaged with averaging 7.2 assists per game in his career
• 39:43
  longevity naturally 20 years assistant rebounds, assists and
• 39:48
  rebounds. James consistently leads the
• 39:51
  league and assistant rebounds showcasing all around impact on
• 39:57
  the game. James career value over
• 40:02
  replacement is the highest in NBA history.
• 40:06
  Highlighting his overall value on the teams.
• 40:09
  So so I'm saying it's hard to pick a one of these guys because
• 40:17
  one is got this, the other one has this other.
• 40:20
  It's hard to say. I got one word that I use talk
• 40:24
  to a. Lot of people don't use it, but
• 40:27
  I guess after the day after they hear this lie, they're going to
• 40:29
  use it. You do the difference between
• 40:33
  Jordan and LeBron and all these other guys or whatever is he's
• 40:37
  sexy. See Jordan, he's sexy.
• 40:41
  He got the he's sexy. What he doing it he make it look
• 40:43
  good out there. LeBron, LeBron ain't he ain't no
• 40:47
  sexy type player. You know he's a locomotive.
• 40:50
  Yeah, he just kind of run down over top, but.
• 40:52
  He get the job done like when you look at Ant man, Ant man
• 40:55
  when he he going between legs behind the back, he pull up with
• 40:58
  the sweet jumper. He looks, you know the sexy he
• 41:00
  looks sexy doing it. You know he want to use that
• 41:03
  word and that's what the difference is.
• 41:05
  Mike made it look good. Yeah, and LeBron, he just, he
• 41:09
  just run over top. Right.
• 41:11
  He a freight train. Yeah.
• 41:12
  He, like I said, he's the point guard, you know, he'd go in the
• 41:15
  post sometime if he had to and post up or whatever.
• 41:18
  You know, not saying that Mike didn't do that, but even when
• 41:20
  Mike did, you know, he, he still made it look pretty with that,
• 41:23
  you know, that turn around, you know, jump, fade away, jump or
• 41:26
  whatever. So he, you know, he made the, he
• 41:28
  made the game look sweet. You know what I'm saying?
• 41:31
  That's that's what the difference is.
• 41:32
  So before we move on, I got to I got to do this for my son
• 41:36
  Jordan. Go ahead, Go ahead.
• 41:38
  Yeah, put. Him on Jordan LeBron is the
• 41:42
  goat. I know you don't want to hear
• 41:44
  it. I understand it you're a Boston
• 41:47
  Celtics fan you stay out in this you focus on them we good over
• 41:52
  here with LeBron and Jordan. I'm just saying in this era,
• 41:57
  base, I just, I just read your stats.
• 41:59
  I I'm you can't, can't go against the stats, right?
• 42:03
  Because if you talk about rings, then Bill Ross was the best all
• 42:06
  time. That's it.
• 42:07
  I was going to say that too. I'm just saying if we're going
• 42:10
  to just look at rings alone because they say he's 6 and no,
• 42:13
  Bill Ross got with 1415, I don't.
• 42:15
  He got one on every finger and two.
• 42:17
  And 10 are left and something like that.
• 42:21
  Got 14 or something, I don't know.
• 42:23
  We got a bunch of them, you know what I'm saying?
• 42:25
  So before we move on, I wanted to say that then we could go to
• 42:28
  Pele, which is the soccer now. In his era he was, it's
• 42:36
  difficult to say he was better 'cause you in right now you got
• 42:41
  Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo and you got some other people
• 42:45
  too, but. I remember him a.
• 42:49
  Little bit, yeah, him too. But but these guys, his era, he
• 42:54
  played in a different era. Like we kept talking about eras.
• 42:57
  He played in a different era of football with different tactics
• 43:01
  and rules. Compare now it's a totally
• 43:06
  different game than what it was when he was playing.
• 43:09
  You know what I'm saying? Now like even with LeBron, like
• 43:12
  some in basketball, you can't lay your arm like you used to.
• 43:15
  Right hand check, it can't hand check like you used to.
• 43:19
  So while Pele was as has impressive statistics, including
• 43:24
  how score Messi's are equally impressive in the Martin game.
• 43:30
  But let me say this cause now we we good about the break, but he
• 43:35
  was he is with in in regards to goals his concern he's widely
• 43:40
  regarded as one of the greatest goal scorers with a legendary
• 43:44
  12181 goals in 13163 matches. Now he won three he won three
• 43:53
  FIFA World Cups 5862 and 70. Now, if you compare that now to
• 43:59
  Lionel Messi, Lionel Messi has has scored over 698 goals.
• 44:05
  So I mean, he's almost, basically almost doubled what
• 44:10
  what Lionel Messi has done. Now think about how good he is.
• 44:15
  Well, it's harder back then too. And think about how good he had
• 44:18
  to be back then. Right, right.
• 44:21
  Because he knew. I'm pretty sure they, they, you
• 44:23
  know, I'm pretty sure back then they was, they was hip checking
• 44:26
  or whatever you call it. Yeah, it's sliding into people,
• 44:30
  my ankles and all stuff, you know what I'm saying?
• 44:32
  So it's it's a, it's always the era thing that we look at this.
• 44:36
  That era is a lot more tough. Even Cristiano Ronaldo,
• 44:41
  Cristiano Ronaldo, he scored over 773 goals in his career,
• 44:47
  including, you know he 133 for Portugal and all that stuff like
• 44:52
  that. But what I'm saying is based on
• 44:55
  the era that he that he was playing in and to score that
• 44:59
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  Welcome back to Man Talks 33. Amen.
• 46:26
  We talked. We even talked about boxing.
• 46:28
  We've been talking about running, we didn't talk about
• 46:32
  basketball, all gymnastics. So now we got to go to, we got
• 46:37
  to go to one more GOAT before we get out of here dog.
• 46:40
  Who we got, who we got? We got to go to Tom Brady, dog.
• 46:44
  We got to talk about a real GOAT.
• 46:46
  I mean Tom Brady. Tom Brady's remarkable success
• 46:51
  in the NFL stem from a combination of exceptional
• 46:56
  skills and waiver and dedication and unparalleled ability to
• 47:00
  adapt and improve. His accuracy, leadership,
• 47:03
  ability to read defenses, and work ethic all played in a
• 47:09
  crucial role in his longevity and dominance.
• 47:12
  Now, I know without a shadow of a doubt you got something to say
• 47:16
  about Tom Brady. Before I get into all his stuff,
• 47:19
  what's your thoughts on Tom? Yeah, he's a goat man.
• 47:23
  I know, I know some people going to have that.
• 47:26
  Well, what about Bradshaw with the Steelers?
• 47:28
  And what about, you know, you know, Montana, you know, they
• 47:32
  was undefeated in Super Bowls, but Brady wasn't.
• 47:37
  But, and I ain't saying I ain't knocking New England when they
• 47:39
  had their defenses. But you know, hey, Bradshaw had
• 47:42
  that, that, that still curtain with him.
• 47:44
  And you know what the 49ers had. But but Brady, man, yeah, he, I
• 47:50
  give him the GOAT, man, because like I said, man, he, like I
• 47:53
  said, he even left New England, went Tampa in one-on-one.
• 47:56
  Right, that's what I'm saying. They didn't leave and go nowhere
• 47:59
  else and win, did they? And from what I understand.
• 48:01
  No, no, I did did. Did did Jordan leave and go in
• 48:06
  the Wales and win? No, that's right.
• 48:08
  That's what he's saying. They don't They, The old people
• 48:10
  don't like that ball. I'm just asking.
• 48:12
  I got to ask the questions because this was on the paper.
• 48:15
  You know what I'm saying? Right, but hands down I give it
• 48:20
  to Brady and real quick, I know you'll be talking about errors
• 48:23
  and see like we got kids now, like we're I don't know about
• 48:28
  nanny problems with teens. That's a lot of people follow
• 48:30
  Brady, but it was people that kids that grew up.
• 48:35
  That's the only thing they knew was Brady in New England.
• 48:38
  You know what I'm saying? It was like they was born in
• 48:40
  939293 whatever. That's all they knew was Brady.
• 48:46
  Then let me ask you. What once once they got able to
• 48:48
  to learn football, when Brady and them started winning and old
• 48:51
  one or whatever, that's all they knew.
• 48:54
  Let me ask you this though, this kind of ain't off topic, but
• 48:56
  still on topic sort of on why. Why did?
• 49:00
  Why did? People say Aaron Rodgers is
• 49:02
  great. My I'm just, I mean, he could
• 49:07
  throw the ball, man, but he won't never really that great to
• 49:10
  me. I mean, he was alright, you
• 49:11
  know, I guess he was better than me because I want an NFL player,
• 49:14
  but. Yeah, right.
• 49:16
  You see what I'm saying. But I'm just saying compared to
• 49:18
  other players. Yeah, I guess 'cause he could.
• 49:19
  They say he was one of the best throws of the football or
• 49:22
  whatever, but you know what I'm saying.
• 49:24
  But if he was, you know, he was great as they say he was.
• 49:27
  He should have won more than one Super Bowl.
• 49:30
  Yeah, true that, True that. I agree with that.
• 49:32
  But I'm just saying, like I heard people say, like, you
• 49:35
  know, he won one, won one Super Bowl and you know, they said he
• 49:39
  should be considered among some of the greats.
• 49:42
  I'm like trying to figure out why, like The Jets went and
• 49:45
  picked them up and I'm just like, OK, tell me what was the
• 49:47
  reason why y'all picked him up? He didn't do nothing in Green
• 49:52
  Bay for the the last years he was there.
• 49:55
  Why, you know? I mean, even Peyton, Peyton,
• 49:58
  Peyton left Indianapolis and went to Denver and won one.
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  So he got 2, you know what I'm saying?
• 50:03
  So I mean, you going to put, you'll put what you put Rogers
• 50:07
  ahead of Peyton, Peyton Manning. Nah, Nah.
• 50:11
  I don't think I can do that. I don't think I can do that.
• 50:14
  Aaron had highlights. That's what they.
• 50:17
  Hey man, and come to the line of scrimmage.
• 50:19
  He started doing them hands, signals and whatever.
• 50:22
  You you in trouble? Holland Yamaha Omaha you in
• 50:25
  trouble for? You in trouble?
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  So you know what I'm saying? I guess.
• 50:30
  You know, the, I guess the height where Rogers was, I
• 50:32
  guess, you know, they say he had a, a good, a nice arm or
• 50:35
  whatever, you know what I'm saying?
• 50:36
  But you know. But apparently he had a good arm
• 50:40
  and I know some of the Green Bay folk going to get mad.
• 50:42
  Y'all don't attack me. I'm just saying he had a good
• 50:45
  arm, but he must have been good at throwing it to other people,
• 50:47
  the other team, because he didn't win but won the Super
• 50:50
  Bowl. So I'm just saying he went to
• 50:51
  The Jets. Anyway, let me hop back on the
• 50:54
  GOAT. We're home field advantage.
• 50:56
  We're home. There you go, games.
• 50:59
  At home too, in the play. So, so, so Brady.
• 51:05
  His accomplishments. Died.
• 51:06
  His accomplishments include a record 7 Super Bowl
• 51:11
  Championships, 5 Super Bowl MVPS, 3 regular season MVPS, 15
• 51:20
  Pro Bowl selections, and being an all time lead in passing
• 51:25
  yards and touchdown passes. And not to mention he was picked
• 51:29
  in what, the fifth or sixth round?
• 51:32
  Yep. Sixth round.
• 51:33
  Yep. So for the people out there that
• 51:36
  think you can't do nothing, he is living, living proof you can
• 51:42
  do whatever you want. Like for example, he passed for
• 51:48
  he was Brady as the all NF LS all time leader in passing yards
• 51:53
  89,214 and passes 649 touchdowns.
• 52:02
  Like who? I don't know anybody else going
• 52:05
  to be able to do that. I'm just going to be honest.
• 52:07
  And another reason I'll say he'd a goat, which everybody know
• 52:10
  that anyway. But you got to figure when he
• 52:14
  was doing all that, you got to figure what kind of, you know,
• 52:16
  what kind of receivers he had. He had no receivers.
• 52:19
  He really did. And then that one year that he
• 52:21
  had Moss, they, they went what, 1617 or something like that.
• 52:26
  They almost, they almost won, but they lost to the Giants.
• 52:29
  They almost went undefeated that year, but they lost to the
• 52:31
  Giants in the Super Bowl. So he had one bona fide receiver
• 52:34
  that one one season. Most of those guys were
• 52:37
  receivers. You know, they was coming out of
• 52:40
  college as X quarterbacks and putting in the receiver position
• 52:45
  or whatever. You know, like a lot of them
• 52:46
  guys want bona fide receivers. And and Brady appeared in a
• 52:51
  record 10 super. Bowls, you know.
• 52:54
  Like that that right there do is like on a on a whole nother like
• 53:00
  I I can't think about that he's. On the level though.
• 53:03
  He's on the level now. This one right here.
• 53:05
  This is the last one and I, this is your guy.
• 53:08
  We talked about him on Mr. Dozier's show.
• 53:11
  You talked about him up here. You know, I kind of think, you
• 53:15
  know, you wanted to be magic when you was growing up, dog.
• 53:18
  You talked about my you're a little too short for him, but
• 53:23
  you can do the passing like magic.
• 53:24
  I'm just saying like Dunk too, believe it or not y'all, I'm
• 53:27
  telling y'all the the honest truth.
• 53:30
  He would you 5758 at the time. Oh, back back then 5-7, yeah,
• 53:34
  yeah, he could dunk. Then I'm I'm up there.
• 53:37
  No joke. No joke, He can he can actually
• 53:40
  dunk. So I want to ask, I'm gonna ask
• 53:44
  you why wasn't why isn't Magic Johnson like considered in the
• 53:53
  in the great conversation? Like, why did they not mention
• 53:57
  him as much as they do like some of the other players, You know
• 54:01
  what I'm saying? Like, you know, we talked.
• 54:02
  We we was up here talking and talk and we didn't really
• 54:06
  mention him as like some of the players that would be one of the
• 54:11
  top. I think man 'cause like I said
• 54:16
  earlier, man, they never really seen a point guard that size.
• 54:21
  Like he was like 6-9. He was, I'm going to say 250,
• 54:25
  like I said, he won't too much too far off LeBron, but LeBron
• 54:28
  just a little bit more muscular with the weight lifting.
• 54:31
  I'm going to say that because see, back then, you know, you
• 54:33
  had with Isaiah and all them boys, you know, and you know,
• 54:38
  Archibald and them guys like short point guards or whatever.
• 54:42
  He came in and leave me 69 or whatever point guard out of
• 54:45
  college or whatever. And and he got the job done
• 54:49
  because, like I said, he can, he could play, he could play
• 54:51
  multiple positions like LeBron do.
• 54:54
  Yeah, that's why that's why I say that's why I give him the
• 54:57
  comparison LeBron in comparison to him.
• 54:59
  And I don't, I don't know why, man.
• 55:02
  I don't know why they never gave him that, that, that a lot of
• 55:05
  that recognition. But I look at it, you know, he
• 55:08
  was one of the greats. Right, so it says, you know
• 55:12
  Magic Johnson is considered a basketball icon and a top ten
• 55:17
  all time player. He is not always placed in the
• 55:20
  same tier as players like Michael Jordan and LeBron like
• 55:23
  in the GOAT debate. The main arguments against him.
• 55:26
  Just to answer your questions, the main arguments against him
• 55:30
  in in the top tier are his defensive shortcomings,
• 55:34
  relatively lower scoring average compared to other top
• 55:37
  contenders, and the fact that he played a lot of star taps, play
• 55:43
  with a lot of star talent, which arguably limits his the
• 55:47
  perception of his individual impact.
• 55:49
  At Showtime or Showtime Lakers boy, they were they were some
• 55:52
  special boy. Yeah, so but you know, I get it.
• 55:56
  I do give that to you though, see, because he had that, you
• 55:58
  know, he didn't have the best jump shot.
• 56:00
  Now he did make, he did make passing look, look, look sexy or
• 56:04
  whatever you want to use, you know what I'm saying?
• 56:06
  But like you said, with his, I guess, you know, with his
• 56:08
  defensive skills or or with his jump shooting stuff like that or
• 56:13
  whatever, may not, you know, may not have being as good, but and
• 56:17
  they're probably I could see they're hindering him.
• 56:20
  Yeah, you know, they said, they said defense.
• 56:21
  Magic Johnson's defense defense abilities are often cited as a
• 56:26
  weakness, with some arguing he had he was a poor defender, even
• 56:30
  though he wasn't a bad one. He just won't break like like
• 56:34
  Michael Jordan or some other guys.
• 56:36
  This is this is a significant factor when considering the GOAT
• 56:41
  conversation as some of the top consenters like Jordan and were
• 56:45
  exceptional defensive players. Right.
• 56:48
  But in his defense, though, I would look at him like I know he
• 56:53
  wasn't as this defense wasn't as great because yeah, they got to,
• 56:56
  they got to realize that 69 point guard who he had to check.
• 57:01
  Yeah, true that. You know, he had to check.
• 57:03
  I know a lot of old people probably don't talk about he had
• 57:05
  to check. MO Cheeks from Philly, you know,
• 57:07
  he, he it was hard to stay in. It was hard to stay in front of
• 57:10
  those guys at 69250 back then. You know, Thomas, you know what
• 57:15
  I'm saying? Tim, Tim Hardaway and all them
• 57:18
  boys where they kill a crossover, you know, even
• 57:21
  though, even though until Hardaway came and Leno magic was
• 57:24
  pretty much almost on his way out.
• 57:25
  But you know what I'm saying? Like point guards like that, you
• 57:29
  know, him 6/9, he had to go all them, you know, 94 feet.
• 57:32
  Yeah, that's true. You know, SO69 versus 6 foot.
• 57:39
  This is a big deal. Yeah, point guard with agility
• 57:42
  that used to handling the ball, you know, like, you know, other
• 57:45
  point guards can't handle Isaiah so.
• 57:48
  You know he could. Right, you know what I'm saying?
• 57:51
  So. So despite the playing in a high
• 57:54
  paced era, Magic's career scoring average was 19.5 points
• 57:59
  per game, relatively low compared to the top contenders
• 58:02
  in the GOAT debate. Individual awards.
• 58:06
  That's what that's what made me wonder, you know, ask the
• 58:09
  question like OK he won 3 MVPS, 3 finals MVPS and made NBA all
• 58:17
  you know all NBA teams 10 times as an as an individual awards
• 58:24
  didn't reach the same heights as like Jordan got 5-6 MV finals
• 58:29
  MVPS, 11 all time NBA. All the stuff Jordan got, we
• 58:34
  already know what he got. But at the same time, Jordan's
• 58:39
  magic still got some accolades that he can.
• 58:43
  Not to mention he was, I guess, one of the best for me, one of
• 58:47
  the best. No look passes that you can.
• 58:49
  Oh, yeah, you know what I mean? So he was he was he was really
• 58:52
  nice with it. And then two, let me say this,
• 58:57
  he probably could have been great.
• 58:59
  Another point that a lot of people miss is that his career
• 59:03
  was shortened by his HIV diagnosis.
• 59:06
  Yeah, he got cut short, yo. Ain't nobody going to play
• 59:08
  against you. You got that cut you right.
• 59:11
  You can go ahead and stay on the side.
• 59:13
  Yeah, back in 91 at that time, yeah.
• 59:14
  Didn't nobody know what that was, What's going on?
• 59:16
  You know what I'm saying? So.
• 59:17
  Yeah, you got to stay on the sideline with that one.
• 59:19
  Yeah. And then, you know, he had he
• 59:22
  had his longevity that would I said that was shortened, but his
• 59:28
  talent that he played with, like you said earlier, his talent was
• 59:32
  his entire career. He was stacked with all the like
• 59:35
  Kareem Hall of Famer, his teammate worthy, all those guys
• 59:40
  like that. Man.
• 59:41
  It's kind of hard for you to touch the ball so much when you
• 59:46
  got that right there going on, you know what I'm saying?
• 59:49
  So hey, we almost out of here y'all.
• 59:52
  Hey, we want to, we want to thank y'all for joining man,
• 59:55
  Thank y'all for tapping in, thanks for the comments, thanks
• 59:58
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