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Spencer Warne on the World Cup, USMNT's disappointing exit vs Belgium, France vs Morocco + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: will be two o'clock in World Cup action. We're down
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  Speaker 2: to the quarterfinals France, Morocco, Spain, Belgium, Argentina, Switzerland, Norway
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  Speaker 3: Who Here? We are.
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  Speaker 2: Elite coverage through the entire World Cup right here on
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  Speaker 2: your home of the utes. Though we're coming off of
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  Speaker 2: a trip to Frisco, Texas and Big twelve media days.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna have Spencer Warren, the GOV gonna join us
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  Speaker 2: at some point here to talk a little World Cup action.
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  Speaker 2: Something that kind of flew under the radar that I
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  Speaker 2: think is worth discussing, even though it's not particularly urgent.
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  Speaker 2: You got to see how this season plays out, certainly
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  Speaker 2: for multiple reasons. But one of the more interesting things
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  Speaker 2: that did not get talked about a lot at Big
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  Speaker 2: twelve Media Day is the way that a potential five
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  Speaker 2: for five model could affect rosters in the Big twelve conference, and.
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  Speaker 3: ESPN wrote about it.
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  Speaker 2: Devin Dampierre was kind of the poster child that they
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  Speaker 2: selected for this. Devin Dampierre has four years of college
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  Speaker 2: football under his belt, including this one that we're about
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  Speaker 2: to start. If a five for five eligibility model is adopted,
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  Speaker 2: If the Save College Sports Act gets pushed through and
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  Speaker 2: becomes a federal legislation point that allows five years to
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  Speaker 2: play five in college sports, Guess what that means for
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  Speaker 2: Utah football. Guess what that means for Devin Dampier, not
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  Speaker 2: just Devin Dampier, but obviously quarterback very prominent, assuming that
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  Speaker 2: the changes take place immediately, Assuming that they take effect
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty seven, Instead of looking at Devin Dampier's
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  Speaker 2: final year in the program, we could be looking at
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  Speaker 2: his penultimate year. He could be looking at, well, what
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  Speaker 2: happens after this season with Devin Dampier, and that changes
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things potentially, right he has stated and
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  Speaker 2: in the article in the Right Up he states that no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm hoping to go to the league after this year.
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  Speaker 2: We know what that means, we know what his expectation is,
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  Speaker 2: we know how Devin dan Pier has plans on playing
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  Speaker 2: NFL football, and I think he's good enough to play
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  Speaker 2: NFL football. We also know that there's this sort of line,
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  Speaker 2: this line of demarcation when it comes to where are
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  Speaker 2: you drafted or where you projected to be drafted to
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  Speaker 2: where it actually makes more sense for you to stay
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  Speaker 2: in college sports. So if you have five years to
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  Speaker 2: play five and you're getting compensated handsomely as these young
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  Speaker 2: men are these days, for a lot of them, it
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  Speaker 2: makes sense to stay in college football.
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  Speaker 3: And Devin dan Pierre might be.
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  Speaker 2: The best example of this because he's a guy that
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  Speaker 2: is crazy explosive when he's healthy, is special as a runner,
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  Speaker 2: is special as a passer, but doesn't have the elite measurables,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have the you know, box checking traits that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of NFL teams are looking for with starting quarterbacks. However,
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  Speaker 2: every college football team is looking for exactly that type
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  Speaker 2: of guy. And I'm using Devin dan Pierre because, like
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  Speaker 2: the article does, like ESPN does, he is a good
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  Speaker 2: example of it. But there's people all across the landscape
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  Speaker 2: that the clock changes on and now you're getting five
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  Speaker 2: years potentially. He was asked about it at Big twelve
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  Speaker 2: media days, and again he announced his intention to pursue
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  Speaker 2: the NFL if that's a real possibility for him. But
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  Speaker 2: he also mentioned that, you know, it's nice to have
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  Speaker 2: that as kind of a safety valve, making a few
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  Speaker 2: million bucks to be a starting quarterback in college football,
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  Speaker 2: either at Utah or somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: It's a nice little backup plan if that's your backup plan,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And one quick thing oc.
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  Speaker 4: We know Devin in an interview setting because audition with
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  Speaker 4: Devil last year. By the way, we're going to have
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  Speaker 4: that again this fall. Really excited about that. He's not
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  Speaker 4: a guy that you read this sort of thing on
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  Speaker 4: ESPN and you think, like, oh, he like said something.
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  Speaker 4: He was feeling like, you want to be really bold
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  Speaker 4: and saying he's in support of this thing. That's not
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  Speaker 4: really Devin's style like picturing it. He probably was just
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  Speaker 4: like real laid back and just someone asked him about it,
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  Speaker 4: and he was just laid back and honest, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that sounds like a good idea, fair all around. But
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  Speaker 4: it's funny when you see it on ESPN dot com.
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  Speaker 4: The assumption is, Oh, this guy wants to throw his
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  Speaker 4: hat in the ring and say something, say a hot take.
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  Speaker 4: It's a national media reporter.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good it's a good clarification because it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Pete Hammia was talking to Devin dan Pierre
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  Speaker 2: because of what Utah has in the quarterback room and
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  Speaker 2: because it's such a fascinating dynamic that he and Burd
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  Speaker 2: Fickland are competing with one another, but they're also close friends,
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  Speaker 2: and they're also collaborating to trying to give Utah a
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  Speaker 2: big twelve championship.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and.
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  Speaker 2: Now this potential wrinkle comes into that picture again, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have to be dealt with now, but maybe we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to an off season conversation about that.
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  Speaker 3: In earnest. Spencer Warren kind enough to join us here.
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  Speaker 2: He is one of our World Cup insiders, in addition
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  Speaker 2: to being well dialed in on RSL, MLS and all
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  Speaker 2: things the cub.
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  Speaker 3: Spencer Warren, how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 5: Oh good man? How are you?
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  Speaker 3: You know? I'm doing all right? I, like.
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  Speaker 2: My three hundred plus million other American friends, devastated that
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  Speaker 2: we're not winning the World Cup. This year, even though
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  Speaker 2: I didn't actually expect that we would win the World
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  Speaker 2: Cup this year. But in not joking, it's been really
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  Speaker 2: fascinating to see the reaction the fallout of that elimination
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  Speaker 2: to Belgium.
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  Speaker 3: And i'd like your opinion on this.
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  Speaker 2: For me, what struck me is that it's not that
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  Speaker 2: they're out in the round of sixteen. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: how they went out in the round of sixteen that
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  Speaker 2: seems to be the most upsetting thing here.
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  Speaker 3: Is that a fair assessment in your mind?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit. I think the US didn't really
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  Speaker 5: do themselves justice and built on some of the performance
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  Speaker 5: that they had in the group stages and whatnot. But
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  Speaker 5: that being said, they actually played a very good Belgian team,
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  Speaker 5: an aging Belgian team, But at the same time, it
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  Speaker 5: was their first proper test and yeah, they felt short
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  Speaker 5: and that's going to happen, but it stings more because
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  Speaker 5: this tournament is only every four years. But yeah, there's
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  Speaker 5: definitely some room for improvement, but there's also some opportunities
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  Speaker 5: there for self reflection about how the US prepare for
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  Speaker 5: some of these bigger games.
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  Speaker 2: Is the seeming piling on in the criticism of Christian pulistic.
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  Speaker 3: Is it fair in your mind?
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  Speaker 5: No, not really, It's a team sport. Sure, I don't
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  Speaker 5: think he reached the levels that he wanted to reach.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it was through lack of effort. But
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  Speaker 5: at the same time, oh see, I mean this guy
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  Speaker 5: wasn't fully fit and was probably playing through the pain barrier,
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  Speaker 5: and obviously we saw that against Belgium, where you know,
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  Speaker 5: he got a bit of a knock there as he
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  Speaker 5: was trying to strike a ball at the top of
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  Speaker 5: the area. I just don't think it was fully fit.
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  Speaker 5: And if you are relying on one man, unless your
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  Speaker 5: name is Lionel Messi, then yeah, I think that's that's
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  Speaker 5: tough for a team to accommodate. But there was plenty
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  Speaker 5: of other players that let the side down against Belgium.
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  Speaker 2: A big part of the conversation and reaction to the
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  Speaker 2: exit for Team USA is the examination, the sort of
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  Speaker 2: readjudicating of our opinion on how soccer development is done
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  Speaker 2: in the United States and if our listeners are not aware,
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  Speaker 2: you have not lived your entire life in the United States,
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  Speaker 2: as the accent might sugg and so you probably have
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  Speaker 2: better knowledge than most on the comparisons on the differences,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I actually really welcome for all sports,
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  Speaker 2: not just soccer, the way that you know, the youth
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  Speaker 2: soccer system is being put under the microscope because of
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  Speaker 2: this exit and because of the disappointment that people are
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  Speaker 2: feeling right now, but also we're doing it I think
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  Speaker 2: with kind of lopsided knowledge when we say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean David Beckham, didn't you know, he wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: rich kid and he came up in English football and
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  Speaker 2: ended up being a global star.
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  Speaker 3: Why can't we just do it their way?
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  Speaker 2: I you don't just get to flip that switch, in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, So I wanted your thoughts on that part
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  Speaker 2: of the conversation on the examination of youth soccer and
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  Speaker 2: soccer development in our country and how much that is
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  Speaker 2: to blame for USA once again out in the round
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  Speaker 2: of sixteen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, obviously, with being a father with a
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  Speaker 5: lot of kids that have that have played soccer at
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  Speaker 5: various stages and various ages, you know, it's it's an
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  Speaker 5: expensive practice being a parent. My parents didn't have to
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  Speaker 5: pay anything when I was coming up in the UK,
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  Speaker 5: just minimal fees and we're talking maybe a few bucks
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  Speaker 5: a game to help with referee costs and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: All the coaches that I had growing up were unpaid
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  Speaker 5: and that's that's a love of the game, whereas this
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  Speaker 5: is more of a business transaction. I love the fact
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  Speaker 5: that my children love the sport and and I've decided
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  Speaker 5: to play at various levels. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 5: I think there is room for improvement, not only coaching.
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  Speaker 5: But you know what, what drives results? Who I mean
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  Speaker 5: at eight years older, we really do we really care
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  Speaker 5: what the results are or we're looking at development, And
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  Speaker 5: it's a it's a balance and act. When you have
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  Speaker 5: passionate parents that are paying a lot of money, they
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  Speaker 5: want development and they want results. Whereas I'm of the
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  Speaker 5: opinion I just want development for my children. I couldn't
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  Speaker 5: give two hoots about the result. That's not something I
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  Speaker 5: worry about. I'm just looking for the best experience for
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  Speaker 5: children to be free to play. And if you're looking
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  Speaker 5: for a results at an early age, I just don't
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  Speaker 5: think that's helpful. It doesn't you know, develop a player.
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  Speaker 5: It might develop a mindset, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 5: you just need a free opportunity to hone your skills,
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  Speaker 5: to make mistakes and not be judged for it, and
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  Speaker 5: I just feel like there's too much pressure and too
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  Speaker 5: much money involved at at a younger level. But we
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  Speaker 5: are seeing some really good results in the college, the
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  Speaker 5: Analyst College Draft, Real Salt Laker having a great time
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  Speaker 5: of it right now with Soy Salons. You have a
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  Speaker 5: young player in Zaviagozo that has come through the academy
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  Speaker 5: at Roselm. There's a few others that are knocking at
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  Speaker 5: the door as well, Indan Hez Khane, Luca Mosa and
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  Speaker 5: some others. I'm sure I'm forgetting as well. There is
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  Speaker 5: a good platform. It's just before the pre academy that
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  Speaker 5: we're talking about right now, where I just think there
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  Speaker 5: needs to be improvement and I don't buy into oh see,
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  Speaker 5: I don't buy into that the kids have to move
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  Speaker 5: to Mexico or South America or Europe to make it
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  Speaker 5: and get the correct development. But there needs to be
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  Speaker 5: more money at the grassroots level, and that's going to
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  Speaker 5: come from the big clubs, from the US Soccer Federation
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  Speaker 5: to plow that money into the right areas.
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  Speaker 2: Mauricio post Chattino certainly is not responsible for fixing that
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  Speaker 2: the system that far down, but you know, he in
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  Speaker 2: the group stages, everyone was falling in love with, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some of the differences we saw in this squad and
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  Speaker 2: some of the attack, and there was a conversation about,
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  Speaker 2: all right, you got to lock this.
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  Speaker 3: Guy up long term.
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  Speaker 2: And then, of course, because we're prisoners of a moment,
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  Speaker 2: an embarrassing loss, and that conversation changes drastically. Where do
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  Speaker 2: you stand on Mauricio pos Shatito being the right guy
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  Speaker 2: to lead the US men's national team moving forward?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, if you can keep him, I would absolutely keep him.
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  Speaker 5: With that he wants to stay is a completely different question,
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  Speaker 5: you know, in its entirety, just because he is such
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  Speaker 5: a well renowned coach tries to get his team to
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  Speaker 5: play attractive soccer. You can tell the players respond to him,
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  Speaker 5: which is a massive part of the battle in any sport.
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  Speaker 5: If you would run through a brick wall for your coach,
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  Speaker 5: that goes a long way, not just outside of skill
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  Speaker 5: and technical ability, if you have the heart and design
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  Speaker 5: to work and put your body on the line for
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  Speaker 5: a for a coach, for a cause. I think he
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  Speaker 5: would just be a wonderful coach long term for the US.
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  Speaker 5: I just think that there's going to be other club
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  Speaker 5: teams that would probably pay him a lot more money
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  Speaker 5: back in Europe that are probably keeping an eye on
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  Speaker 5: him and his development, especially after a disappointing World Cup
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  Speaker 5: where they probably went out around too early. They were
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  Speaker 5: looking for another round, you know, they wanted to be
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  Speaker 5: in this quarter finals kind of conversation rather than the
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  Speaker 5: round of sixteen. That would have shown some progress there
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  Speaker 5: in my opinion. But yeah, no, I think he's a
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  Speaker 5: wonderful coach. He's a wonderful communicator, got a great style
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  Speaker 5: about him and as you can see, as I said,
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  Speaker 5: the players just respond to him wherever he goes.
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  Speaker 2: World Cup. I wondered if we would get to a
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  Speaker 2: point watching the US men's national team where we said, ah,
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly where you needed the moon man, that position
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  Speaker 2: right now, that situation right there. That's where you would
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  Speaker 2: have been better off if Diego Luna had been selected
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  Speaker 2: for this squad. Did we see that against Belgium.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? I think that the nice thing about Diego Luna
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  Speaker 5: is that he's multifunctional. It can play out wide, can
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  Speaker 5: play as a ten, can play as an attacking eight.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he's just almost a Swiss army knife in
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  Speaker 5: three kind of three positions that you can get away with.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was crying out from some creativity for
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  Speaker 5: somebody to be in tight spaces and not panic when
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  Speaker 5: things weren't quite going on the US's way. I would
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  Speaker 5: have loved for him to have that experience, and I
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  Speaker 5: do feel like it was a mistake not to bring
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  Speaker 5: him in. Now. I was saying that pre World Cup
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  Speaker 5: as well, I'll see, and then Gio Reiner comes off
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  Speaker 5: the bench in that first game against Paraguay and puts
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  Speaker 5: an exclamation point on the on that for one victory,
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, what do I know? So yeah, I would
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  Speaker 5: just I would have loved with for him to have
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  Speaker 5: that experience and really put his his face on a
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  Speaker 5: on a international screen and see if there's something more,
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  Speaker 5: because I do believe that MLS is not his ceiling.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's another step for him. I hope he
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  Speaker 5: stays in a real salt lake for his entirety of
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  Speaker 5: his career, but yeah, I just feel like there's something
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  Speaker 5: there that he can reach, and I think that an
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  Speaker 5: opportunity with the US men's national team at the biggest
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  Speaker 5: tournament in the world would have been a wonderful experience
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  Speaker 5: and learning experience for him.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe in four years. It seems likely that will happen
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  Speaker 2: for him in four years. But in the meantime, he
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  Speaker 2: will be wearing an MLS RSL shirt for now, and
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  Speaker 2: like you said, I will echo the sentiment we hope
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  Speaker 2: that is the case for a very long time. And
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  Speaker 2: as we draw closer to the end of this World Cup,
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  Speaker 2: it means we're closer to the return of RSL. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you've got a big match coming up,
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  Speaker 2: I guess next week with Burnley coming into town, and
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  Speaker 2: I wanted your thoughts on you know, this squad getting
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  Speaker 2: back rolling after the international break.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be nice to see where where some of
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  Speaker 5: the guys are. I've not really had much to do
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  Speaker 5: with OURSL because of the World Cup, you know, I've
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  Speaker 5: just been enjoying the break from from Major League Soccer.
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  Speaker 5: But obviously for those that are tuned in, they've sort
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  Speaker 5: of seen that Nelson Palacios, who had been online in Switzerland,
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  Speaker 5: the Columbia midfielder, has made his exit from Real Salt
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  Speaker 5: Lake and that ourso brought in a winger from Atlanta
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  Speaker 5: United as well, So there's been a little bit of movement.
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  Speaker 5: There's still question marks about Diego Luna and his availability,
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  Speaker 5: not injury, but are the clubs sniffing around for his
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  Speaker 5: services and obviously Zaviegozo as well. I'm delighted that nothing
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  Speaker 5: has happened. Hopefully that means that they'll be here for
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  Speaker 5: the rest of twenty twenty six. But we've got a
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  Speaker 5: thick schedule coming in after the fifteenth of this month.
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  Speaker 5: That's friendly with Burnley. You've got two games at the
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  Speaker 5: end of July for Major League Soccer starting on the
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  Speaker 5: twenty second, and then you've got a full schedule the month.
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  Speaker 5: The game going to be crammed in, particularly with League's Cup.
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  Speaker 5: With t Gray's coming in Atlante and Juarez. That's three
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  Speaker 5: games You've got a sandwich in along with a bunch
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  Speaker 5: of Major League Soccer games as well. So yeah, the
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  Speaker 5: game's going to come thick and fast, and you're going
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  Speaker 5: to start to see a full utilization of those squads,
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  Speaker 5: those young players that did so well at the start
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  Speaker 5: of the season, and then we're able to take a
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  Speaker 5: breather and a break and go back down to the
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  Speaker 5: Monarchs and get their first team football there. I think
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  Speaker 5: there's going to be a few more minutes available and
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more rotating as the season wears on.
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  Speaker 2: Before we let you go back to the World Cup momentarily. Here,
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  Speaker 2: you've got France versus Morocco coming up. You've got some
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  Speaker 2: really intense matches on the docket in this quarterfinal round,
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  Speaker 2: and have you seen anything that the changes you're expected
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: outcome and who's potentially going to win this whole tournament?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: So, I mean, I've got this game today, France and
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Morocco I think has got all the makings of whoever
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: gets through as the potential I would say the favorites
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: to be champions, the World champions. Spain obviously are going
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: to be there or thereabouts. I believe that they've got
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: the edge over Belgium. The Norway England game is very
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: very tightly matched. We've seen Norway just do some wonderful things.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Argentina an aging team against Switzerland that looks so comfortable
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: in penalties against Columbia, Argentina having to dig deep against
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Egypt to make sure that they get through to the
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: to the quarter finals. So it's very very tight. But
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: I feel like the winners of this game today between
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: France and Morocco that kicks off in just about half
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: an hour's time, will I would say, not really sitting
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: on the fence there, I see, but six one of
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: those two is going to be the world champions.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Sixty percent of the time. It works every time, every time. GOV,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: appreciate you giving us some thoughts. Let's have you on
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: again before this thing's over all?
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Right, Absolutely no man, you take.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Care, Spencer Warn. The GOV.
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