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INTERVIEW: Eva Marcille Dishes On 'Top Model' Doc, Self Love, New Film + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
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  Speaker 3: How you feeling you bless and highly favored?
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  Speaker 4: How y'all doing it at.
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 5: It's good to see you even because you're one of
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  Speaker 5: the few people that's doing press right now, because everybody
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  Speaker 5: in their mama that was on America's Top Model is
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  Speaker 5: scared to death press what that documentary is that I'm
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  Speaker 5: not gonna say who, but there was a person who
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  Speaker 5: told us we still there, But there was a person
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  Speaker 5: who told us that they weren't coming up here unless
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  Speaker 5: we put in writing that we didn't ask them about
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  Speaker 5: America's Next Time Model.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, oh really?
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  Speaker 3: Were they promoting other things? Club that she's in right
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  Speaker 3: now when is popping and you know what, shout out
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  Speaker 3: Tony Harlowe and I can absolutely appreciate her sentiments. And
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  Speaker 3: I can tell you why one of the young ladies
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  Speaker 3: on the documentary, if you saw it, Danny.
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  Speaker 4: Dropped dead gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: She was one of the winners, and she said something
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  Speaker 3: that I think it's I know, it's very true. It's
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  Speaker 3: something that I try not to talk about a lot
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  Speaker 3: because I'm very grateful for where I am. But doing
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  Speaker 3: Top Model definitely puts the scarlet letter on your back.
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  Speaker 3: I mean to know me, y'all knew me when you
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  Speaker 3: did when you were with Wendy. Y'allkna me as Eva Pickford.
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  Speaker 3: I changed my name to Eva Marcel, which is my
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  Speaker 3: legal middle name. But I changed it so that when
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  Speaker 3: I went to audition, I walked in rooms, I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: pre judge. They just saw a girl named Eva. It's
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  Speaker 3: not that uncommon of a name, so they say Eva
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  Speaker 3: m letter read for the role, and so then I
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  Speaker 3: would get the role. And later they would realize like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, that's that girl from that show. But
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  Speaker 3: I can tell you about ten thousand doors are closed.
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  Speaker 4: I was for sure, Okay. Can I tell you why.
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  Speaker 4: It's because we live in a new day.
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  Speaker 3: We live in a day today where to be a
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  Speaker 3: reality star is to be a Kim Kardashian. To be
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  Speaker 3: a reality star is to amplify a brand. And so
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  Speaker 3: when you put someone like a just hilarious on something
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  Speaker 3: you already know that you're gonna get automatic clicks because
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  Speaker 3: we're coming to see you off the top.
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  Speaker 4: And so if you're selling athletic where.
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  Speaker 3: We might mess around to what outfit too, but we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna watch it because of you. When I came up,
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  Speaker 3: there was no social media, Charlott Mane at all. My
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  Speaker 3: interviews came through you, So my voice came through you.
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  Speaker 3: And so me being a part of a brand took
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  Speaker 3: away from the brand because y'all came to see me.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're breaking out as a designer, you're not
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  Speaker 3: trying to worry about the girl that's walking down the
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  Speaker 3: runway hangers. You're more so worried about the designer and
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  Speaker 3: the looks. And so it was an odd time because
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  Speaker 3: a big transition happened to where reality star became the
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  Speaker 3: big thing, but it didn't change when it came to
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  Speaker 3: Top Model because it was a TV show first for them,
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  Speaker 3: but for us it was a competition. It was a
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  Speaker 3: competition that said, if you win this show, the baddest
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  Speaker 3: person in modeling, the Queen of modeling, Tyra Banks, has
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  Speaker 3: said you are good enough.
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  Speaker 4: She put you through a boot.
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  Speaker 3: Camp that said you can do the riggers and if
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  Speaker 3: you get this done, you go out into the world,
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna be a star.
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  Speaker 4: And then we went out into.
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  Speaker 3: The world and they were like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: mister Starr. When are you gonna twinkle?
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  Speaker 5: But you in Takara and like a Winny, y'all found
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  Speaker 5: a way to brand y'allselves. And I always talked about
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  Speaker 5: branding like she always used branding, like even before it
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  Speaker 5: was a buzzword. So I feel like, did you learn that?
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  Speaker 6: There?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely see for me and I can only speak for myself.
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  Speaker 3: I come from South central Los Angeles. I come from
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna hustle, that's that's part of who you are.
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  Speaker 3: And then I went to college and I went to
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  Speaker 3: Clark Atlanta University, home of W. E. B. Du Bois,
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  Speaker 3: and the model was find a way or make one.
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  Speaker 3: So between coming up in the hood and knowing I
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  Speaker 3: had to get mine in paint, and then going to
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  Speaker 3: college and understanding scholastically what that meant and putting that
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  Speaker 3: into to work. After doing Top Model, I was like, oh, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 3: So Tyra said I wasn't good enough and I won
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  Speaker 3: the show. I'm popping Now I got to do the work,
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  Speaker 3: and that was one thing that I was never confused about,
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  Speaker 3: one thing that Tyra did instill in me. And I
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  Speaker 3: believe the rest of the girls, how much they picked
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  Speaker 3: it up or not, I think that they believed that
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  Speaker 3: as soon as you won, like the stars would open
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  Speaker 3: and you'll get a billion dollars in your bank account.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, no, we're gonna give you one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars sprinkled not quickly, and hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 4: Well, see, no, I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: And I know I've heard other stories and I cannot
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  Speaker 3: discount anyone's story. But Eva mar Still Pickford got her hundreds. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was like you get your initial money and then
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  Speaker 3: when you came and I had the privilege of actually
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  Speaker 3: signing one of the only girls is signed to Cover Girl.
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  Speaker 3: So after getting that initial one hundred thousand, they're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: now we want you to sell Mescara. Now you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean. And so it went on from there.
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  Speaker 3: But the work never stopped. The work is ten thousand
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  Speaker 3: times more than anyone expected.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's not what's talked about.
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  Speaker 6: What do you think made you into cars? Experiences with
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  Speaker 6: top models so different? Because I feel like y'all are
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  Speaker 6: the only two girls that could talk completely positive about everything.
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  Speaker 6: And even when you talk about the negative, it's not
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  Speaker 6: nothing like with the other girl.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I mean the negative is is it's it's
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  Speaker 3: life right Like That's why I say you, I mean
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  Speaker 3: you have sharpi's here, but you usually learn how to
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  Speaker 3: write with a pencil. That's why they have erasers because
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  Speaker 3: to arias to be human, you're not gonna always get
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  Speaker 3: it right.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not just me.
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  Speaker 3: It's ya Ya da Costa, who played Whitney Houston on Lifetime.
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  Speaker 4: Ya Ya went on to do.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, five seasons of Chicago Med. She did Lincoln Lawyer,
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  Speaker 3: My Girls Popping, Yeah, and a lot of the women
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  Speaker 3: are I would be a bit biased to say season
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  Speaker 3: three we definitely stood out, and the black girls for
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  Speaker 3: sure stood out. But I think that that's what they
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  Speaker 3: were casting at that time they cast it, or an
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  Speaker 3: early season season three, they didn't really know what they
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  Speaker 3: were doing.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't even called reality TV.
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  Speaker 3: Like, if you really think about it, back in two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and three, two there was no reality TV.
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  Speaker 4: You had Survivor and you had Real World and that
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  Speaker 4: was it.
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  Speaker 3: And then you had Top Model and American Idol. I
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  Speaker 3: won the same year as Fantasia. So that's how long
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  Speaker 3: I know. That's how long ago it is. And so
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  Speaker 3: to answer your question, Lauren, I think that it was
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  Speaker 3: just a great group of stars. They got women that
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  Speaker 3: were bona fide stars in their own right. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if the producers knew exactly what it is they
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  Speaker 3: were going to tap into and and and really make
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  Speaker 3: that star twinkle, but they taught us how to shine,
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  Speaker 3: and they had stars like it or not. And Takr
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  Speaker 3: walked in there f A B O l O. I
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  Speaker 3: mean when I tell you that girl, it's fabulous.
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  Speaker 4: To this day, I love the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Fabulous, wrong, but I love it.
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  Speaker 4: But she spelled.
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  Speaker 2: That's how she spelled them.
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  Speaker 4: When she walked in, she's like, f A B. I
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  Speaker 4: was like you he looks. Thank you. Listen.
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  Speaker 3: It's a shout out to the one and only NAP star.
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  Speaker 3: A net out of New York City. She got five shops.
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  Speaker 3: But Annette, she does me from my TV show All
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  Speaker 3: the Queen's Men.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a net. And thank you for that.
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  Speaker 3: Because representation means a lot. That's why I'm here today
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  Speaker 3: to talk about my movie and and and uh top
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  Speaker 3: model and all the things that I used to represent
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  Speaker 3: who black women are and I fight like crazy from
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  Speaker 3: my natural hair.
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  Speaker 1: Were you invited to talk on the documentary that they did?
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  Speaker 1: Will you invite because we didn't see you? No, dominary,
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  Speaker 1: no invited.
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  Speaker 4: I was not invited to talk about the documentary. I
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  Speaker 4: was asked.
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  Speaker 3: When I realized that the documentary was coming out and
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  Speaker 3: they started promoting it, I was asked by you know,
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  Speaker 3: New York Times everybody, like, you know, what do you think?
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  Speaker 4: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to think when you don't know what you're watching.
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  Speaker 3: I had no clue how they were going to skew
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  Speaker 3: this what they were going to do.
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  Speaker 4: But I am intelligent enough to know that after.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty two years of a show, there's no way you
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  Speaker 3: can actually do a positive documentary speaking about the way
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  Speaker 3: this woman truly changed the modeling game without talking to
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  Speaker 3: the people that helped do so. So I kind of
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  Speaker 3: knew they were going to kind of skew it in
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  Speaker 3: a way that wasn't that was a bit biased. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm not here to say that that Tyre's perfect. But
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  Speaker 3: I will be the first person to say I'll rock
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  Speaker 3: hard body with Tyra Limbanks, I don't have some of
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  Speaker 3: the biggest because we most likely all have positive things
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  Speaker 3: to say, and so you can't a documentary either. They
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  Speaker 3: didn't call it to Kara, I believe. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: if they called yah Yah to do it or not.
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  Speaker 6: But I tried to do an interview. I mean I
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  Speaker 6: reached out to your rep prior to it and he
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  Speaker 6: said that you wanted to watch it. I reached out
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  Speaker 6: to ya Ya's team and they said, no, she's not
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  Speaker 6: doing the Top Model conversation. Me and sa Car did
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  Speaker 6: an interview. But one of the things that I saw,
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  Speaker 6: because I saw you.
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  Speaker 3: Do the interview with the CBS Mornings, Yes you won't
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  Speaker 3: see Yes Marnings and people were upset about the feeling
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  Speaker 3: like you were defending some of the things that happened
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  Speaker 3: in the interview, even though you said you were horrified.
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  Speaker 3: How do you feel when you see that, Because I
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  Speaker 3: know you've said Tyra has done so much for me,
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to get me to a point where
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing what we see a lot of the other girls.
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  Speaker 3: It's not more and so about how much she's done
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  Speaker 3: for me. It's about how much Tyra has done as
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  Speaker 3: a whole. I think that we as as onlookers with
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  Speaker 3: media journalists. I think it's very easy to look on
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  Speaker 3: the outside end and to point and call a flaw,
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  Speaker 3: especially years and eons later. If I was to look
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  Speaker 3: back at Golden Girls the first three episodes, they had
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  Speaker 3: a very very cute and flamboyant gay man who absolutely
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  Speaker 3: disappeared after episode four, where is said best friend.
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  Speaker 4: He's nowhere. The world wasn't ready for it. We don't
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  Speaker 4: talk about it, we don't deal with it.
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  Speaker 3: Now if we look at today's landscape about diversity and
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  Speaker 3: inclusion and where we should be, look at Friends. It
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  Speaker 3: took what eight seasons for them to get a black girlfriend,
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  Speaker 3: and it was Ayisha. I mean, we can look back
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  Speaker 3: at a lot of projects and think about where we
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  Speaker 3: were and look at where we are, what we can affect,
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  Speaker 3: and where we can go. But I think that we
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  Speaker 3: don't do ourselves a proper service when we look at
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  Speaker 3: something like Top Model, which was so historic, that was
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  Speaker 3: a brainchild of a very audacious young woman that decided
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  Speaker 3: to go out and do something great. Did she stumble
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  Speaker 3: at along the way? I don't see anybody at the
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  Speaker 3: Olympics who didn't stumble. We all stumble that it means
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  Speaker 3: to air is to be human. But I think that
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  Speaker 3: it's very easy to point a finger's but it's hard,
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  Speaker 3: and it's easy to say all the people's flaws.
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  Speaker 4: But what good did she do? I know what good
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  Speaker 4: she did?
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  Speaker 3: Winnie Harlowe was wearing the runways out. I have multiple businesses,
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  Speaker 3: organization things that I do, and despite what I've had
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  Speaker 3: to hurtle over. I mean, Kerrie Washington had to hurtle
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  Speaker 3: over and she didn't do top models, So I counted
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  Speaker 3: all joy I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't live in the woes of yesterday. We all
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  Speaker 3: have our trauma. The beauty of me is that I've
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  Speaker 3: healed from mine.
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  Speaker 6: Haven't talked to Tyer since the doc because she hasn't
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  Speaker 6: said anything.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't talked to her since the documentary.
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  Speaker 3: I went to lunch with mister Jay just the other
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  Speaker 3: day and we chatted for a while.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I feel for everybody a part of the documentary because
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  Speaker 3: they don't know what life is like to live under scrutiny.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I know, y'all know, but most don't know
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  Speaker 3: that are in the early two thousands, what it really
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  Speaker 3: feels like to get troll daily.
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  Speaker 6: How's mister j holding up too?
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  Speaker 3: Because now the conversation I saw a publicist, what's her name, Katron.
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  Speaker 3: She made a statement that said, basically like he does
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  Speaker 3: this every few years to try and get his name
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  Speaker 3: in the media and throw things Tyver's away in a
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  Speaker 3: negative way.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm talking bad about it.
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  Speaker 6: And that's been a conversation about because how their friendship ended,
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  Speaker 6: and like, what are his intentions? He just telling his story.
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  Speaker 3: Watching the documentary I learned about the friendship. I had
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  Speaker 3: absolutely no idea, per my understanding. These are, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like besties like me and my best to be rock
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  Speaker 3: hard to the core. So I had no idea about
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  Speaker 3: the severans him wanting to leave and then staying and
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  Speaker 3: then kind of maybe feeling like he might be blackballed.
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  Speaker 3: Like that was all big news to me. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's I think it's sad.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a loyalist. I'm a scorpio to the core.
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  Speaker 3: Unless you do something just absolutely egregious, we're gonna rock this.
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  Speaker 4: Thing to the wills fall off.
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  Speaker 3: And so to watch this all play out, he wrote
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  Speaker 3: a book called The Bitch to model the meltdown a
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  Speaker 3: while ago. It's a novel, and I mean his experience
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  Speaker 3: is his experience. I I use the word go smacked
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  Speaker 3: because I.
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  Speaker 2: Said she was smack.
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  Speaker 5: Why. I'm like, I ain't never heard you talk like that,
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  Speaker 5: and it felt like you was on was it CBS?
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  Speaker 2: This wanted? I'm like, why is she going to see
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  Speaker 2: this morning and coach.
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  Speaker 5: With you a little bit? No?
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  Speaker 4: I didn't coach it.
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  Speaker 6: I was.
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  Speaker 4: I was bamboozed. I was led astray out and I
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  Speaker 4: said that first.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I said all of those things, but you also
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  Speaker 3: have to realize, Charlevagne, I went to school for speech communication.
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  Speaker 3: Speech is actually what I do. Vernacular is my thing.
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  Speaker 3: On the Ricky Smiley Morning Show, they called me Sillilo
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  Speaker 3: Marcil like I enjoy words. I enjoy syllables beyond monosyllabic
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  Speaker 3: English that we're used to. I think we as people
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  Speaker 3: have a way of being extremely expressive and a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things we do, and I think that words should be.
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  Speaker 4: One that we exercise more oftenly.
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  Speaker 3: So I was I couldn't find a word beyond a
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  Speaker 3: curse word.
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was in awe because to find out that you
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  Speaker 3: were a part of a situation and had no clue,
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  Speaker 3: it was just.
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  Speaker 4: A bunch of a bunch of hibble giggle.
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  Speaker 3: It was just it was and and and flabbergastri and
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  Speaker 3: and I was just.
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  Speaker 6: Heable gibble.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I was taken aback.
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  Speaker 5: You know, there's been a lot of conversation in recent
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  Speaker 5: years about reality TV and mental health, like when you
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  Speaker 5: look back, what did this show get wrong? Especially with
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  Speaker 5: like young women?
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  Speaker 4: Oh so many? How long do we have?
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  Speaker 3: I think what we forget is that A we were
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  Speaker 3: all young. We were very very young, and we were
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  Speaker 3: very impressionable. And though even ken Max says this show
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  Speaker 3: gave us a promise of a dream and of a career,
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  Speaker 3: I think there's somewhere inside of ourselves that we knew
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  Speaker 3: that that.
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  Speaker 4: Wasn't really true.
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  Speaker 3: And not saying that the business wasn't something that we
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  Speaker 3: could do, but there's just no way that all of
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  Speaker 3: us were going to end up being these huge, big stars.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think that I prepared myself mentally early on,
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  Speaker 3: like if this doesn't work out, what do I do?
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be gobsmacked that was going back to college.
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  Speaker 1: Being brutally honest that bad, you know, because sometimes people
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  Speaker 1: need to hear honesty in a place where people are
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  Speaker 1: being truthful.
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  Speaker 3: To me, truthful and honesty and hurt are are all
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  Speaker 3: different things. And you always have that girlfriend that's like, oh.
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  Speaker 4: Girl, I was just keeping it real. No, you were
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  Speaker 4: being very mean.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes people need to hear that though, well, truth without
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  Speaker 1: compassion is cruelty, it is.
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  Speaker 3: True, and I think that we make a great excuse
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  Speaker 3: to be be honest while.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Being extremely mean and extremely hurtful.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: And so Janice Dickinson, for an example, I won the
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: show and I remember after winning, she was like, thank God,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: now you can finally get your nose job Jesus, and
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: I quickly went to a mirror.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Didn't realize I had a.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Nose issue at all. I knew that I was too short.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I knew I was androgynoust, so they called me a
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: man woman all these things. But now I'm oh, yeah,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: as I was so scared to cut my hair shorter
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: and go blonde because they.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: Came on the show, it was like your vibe was
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: very like la cool, like tom boyish.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still here in a suit, and like,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: that's just I have three brothers, That's how I get down.
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: So you felt the way because that was your storyline
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: on the show, and they leaned into it, and you
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: were so confident on the show. I didn't know you
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: felt away about them calling you those things.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I didn't know I was malad attracted them until I
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: went to college. I was walking down the quads and said,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: God damn, trying to read. And I remember saying, is
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: that a good thing or a bad thing? And he
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: also said, if I ate a little bit more, I'll
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: be fine.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Yet, But I didn't really have an idea of like
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: what aesthetics were and what men were into and all
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: that stuff until school. My confidence lied in the fact
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: that I knew who I was. My parents were very militant.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: The computer room was exactly that because we read Encyclopaedia Britanna.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Because every single day, book report, every single day. To
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: be to to I have to study to show myself approved,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: like all all the time, straight a's, Dean's led scholarships.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: That was that was me.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: So the nose job then, like that conversation, so you
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: took you looked in the mirror, and then what happens
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: following all the stuff.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I definitely had a mild complex about my nose. Couldn't
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: figure out. I didn't see what was wrong, so I
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: didn't know what to make right, which was the hardest part.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Like you know, like it say, I like your hair
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: is cut, but you got a little piece right here,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: like you know you need to cut that piece.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: I didn't know what to do. Your hair is bombed.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Don't listen to him. You can grow hair. So there's that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's my choice, not by force.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: I know, that's right. Last time you were here, we
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: get into all that because you got some updates too.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: We do have some updates, but we want to talk
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: about getting push off this plane because I.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Really wanted to hear a certain time.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Sorry, well, because they lean into each other. You know,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: last time I was here, I was kind of giving
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: you an update on love and where I was at.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I was not in the most positive place, which is
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: this is one of the few stops I made because
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I knew that I would reach all my people and
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: that you guys would hander me with a nice.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Glove kid gloves. She s nice.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: No, I wasn't kid gloves.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I had a couple of little one too, But you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I had Lauren over here, so I knew I was striight.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: But this movie, it reminds me of a lot of
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: spaces that a lot of us black women are in.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: He pushed off a plane and survived.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: So push off a plane and survives. About a woman
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: named Janey who is in her late thirties early forties,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: serial entrepreneur, all about her business, all about her money.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: She owns three different hair salons, does extremely well for herself.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: The one thing she has never focused on is love.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: So finally you get to that age and you're like
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: late thirties, early forties, You're like, maybe I want a man,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: maybe I want kids, maybe I want all these things.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: And so she goes on the dating gaps and all
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the stuff, and she's trying to find love and she
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: meets a guy Tyler Lepley cool, yes Cole for this movie.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: And this is not Colon I's first rendezvous. We did
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: a film before called Buried Alive and survived. So for
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, I love being tortured with I do we
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: see you know that's the black woman in me. We're
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: gonna survive. You're gonna knock us down, but we're gonna
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: get up. And so get pushed off of plane. His
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: weird hobby is that he likes skydiving and instead of
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: being a prude. I like pickleball, so instead of playing pickleball,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: decide the skydive, which was the best and worst decision
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: of my life. You have to tune into it on Saturday,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: February twenty eighth on Lifetime eight pm, seventh Central. It's
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: going down tyler Lepley and I back in love again.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Damn God, damn So.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I've done this simulated one like the white the one
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: who a sky.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: No.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: So, the way my body is set up is I
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: believe in God and the afterlife, but in this life now,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: the three children I have here, I would like to
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: be there with.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: All my philangies and limbs working.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I did it once how to go?
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: He never did it again?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: No, I never did it again. So I did it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: But it was a birthday gift, surprise birthday gift for
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: my wife to me. So we drove out there the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: whole time. I mean, every excuse why we shouldn't be.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: She love you, but she knew not like you crazy.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Years.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Don't listen, she needs an shot.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: No, no, he's fine. Now she's fine. Now this is
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: this is that's different.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: But anyway, we went out there, we jumped out the
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: plane and then I started looking at all the plane
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: accidents that happened in all the sky diving accidents and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: was like, why the hell would I do that? And
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: never did it again. But the adrenaline and what it
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: was was amazing.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Rosha, libido back.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: No, that has something different. Me and my wife met
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: she was fit teen. I was sixteen.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: Because you start, you want to go through that, I
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: do gotta go.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: To So I learned sex. Guys don't talk about how
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to have sex. I learned from watching porn Bang bang
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: bang bang bank. That did not work. My mouth game
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: was good, but the penetration game wasn't. So she and
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: during an argument she told me you're my.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Age though, so it wasn't real porn. It was like
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: skinning mac crazy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: What's pool and that's what it was. And she didn't
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: orgasm in a while. She told me the argument.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: We wrote a book about it to a while.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: But she met her at sixteen, so she had somebody
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: before you first.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: First he didn't show until I was able to do
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: it in my mouth, not through penetration.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Come on, this is my mind so much right now.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: The movie, Well, the reason why I jumped off the
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: plane because we did not have any of those problems.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: He pushed me off the plane willingly. I him all
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: things ago.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: But I feel like the movie is a lesson about
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: trusting someone too soon as an accomplished woman.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: But see the question truly is just when it is
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: too soon, because there is one of my favorite scenes
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: in the movie is he asks me to stand on
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: this this this ledge and fall backward. And you ever
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: seen that like that trust fall? Ain't no way I'm
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: falling backward. And we didn't have stunts, we didn't have
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: a pat down. And I've worked with Tyler before. I'm
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: a little dancer than I look, so I think I'm
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: a little heavier and.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: He caught me.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And it's that feeling of trust, that letting go and
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: knowing that someone has you and not because you can
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: feel it, but because you don't fall. And I think
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: that is what she's searching for, that high of jumping
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: and not actually hitting the grounds that say.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Do you have that with somebody?
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: They can? You know?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: My wedding song was that Leela James has a song
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: catch Me, I'm falling for you, and it speaks about
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I'm ready, I'm about to jump now. I need you
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: down there because I do not want to fall, but
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I do want to take this jump, and so I
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: think this is what this movie is about. And honestly,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: sometimes you get it wrong and sometimes you get it right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: But the biggest part that I took away from it
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: is that most of the time you're going to get
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: it wrong. Ninety nine percent of the people you date
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you will not be with forever. So get back on
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: that horse.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Try it again.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: But what about the reverse psychology and all the tactics
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: of the manipulation and a lot how do you.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: That's not your guy?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: If any of that stuff exists, that's not your person. No,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: but see Cole he the flags were there a lot
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: of times. The flags are there. You have sage council.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Your homegirl is like, friend, I am not feeling this.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: You know this is crazy. My sister in this movie
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: she knew it. But she also was so close to me.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: None of my relationships worked out. She used to bet
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: on my dates like this ain't gonna work. Got twenty dollars.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: You know he's a dud.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: So there's that too.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: You just have to believe in yourself, trust your instincts,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: and keep your friends close because when he doesn't work out,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: she will still be there.
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: So you're where you are right now in life. In
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: real life, it does parallel because I know you and
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Mike got back together and y'all are together, and that
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: is your forever.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: We saw the like you know, well, he will always
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: be my forever because we have children together. We have
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: three amazing kids, and there is no life without him
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: since we've had them, so we're always forever. I think
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: that since the divorce, and because I'm not very public
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: and not a first strap kind of girl, and you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I don't throw a lot of pictures up there, the
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: world's wondering, like what's going on, and we are at
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: a beautiful place. I think the first time the world's
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: always together again was in essence. I was down there
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: hosting the main stage, and he.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Was free, and everybody was excited for you.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Also, because we love black love, We love love, especially
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: family unity. You know, Mike was adopted, and so when
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: it comes to what family looks like and what DNA
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: looks like and titles, we don't find ourselves too caught
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: up on that. I think that that's what kind of
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: hurt to begin with. Anybody that's dated for a long
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: time then got married you realize things changed, but nothing
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: really changed but the title. But now you feel the
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: pressure to change things. All that stuff is gone. All
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: that's gone, and I am the beautiful mother of his
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: amazing children. He is amazing father to our children, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: we have a great relationship.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: I have a question for I guess you, but everybody
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: in the room. Then, so y'all are married? The pressure coming.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: No, we're not married. We're divorced.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: So you guys are still divorced.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, we got divorced.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: I know, but I thought, I don't know what I
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: thought you guys did. She was also for another merge
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: on the other side. I mean, just I didn't know
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: what talk about it. So then are you so y'all
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: are back to y'all are back together? Well that wasn't
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: even honestly my quest. But we here now, so y'all
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: are back together? So is there going to be another
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: proposal of marriage?
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: We are still figuring things out, but we are definitely
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: not where we were last time I was here. Last
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: time I was talking about and after that I was depressed, emaciated.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Phone conversations were very minimal, and now we can joke,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: We shoot pool like it's you want to come over
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: and have some whiskey. Like we are at such a
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: different space and I think that that is more important
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: than the labels. When you think about my daughter who
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: just turned twelve. We have a twelve year old little girl.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: We have a seven year old son and a six
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: year old son. So what world do we want to
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: give them? The world of labels and ideas of what everything,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: everything the world thinks we should be or the truth
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: mom is there for every holiday. I just took them
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: a raw yesterday and flew here today just to take
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: them courtside to see raw like it's just it's family
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: and that'll never change, and that is the FOREPP. But
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: what were the pressures then, because it seems like you
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: guys have always been a line like that, and that's
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: why everybody was so happy when you guys got together,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: even we were a housewives, like it was good to
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: see you in that space.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: So what was that pressure?
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, try having two children and being married and
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: being then the limelight.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Lord.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: It is not the easiest thing. And I'm kind of
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: from a very very black family. That is what happens
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: at home stays at home, and so we are united
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: front wherever we go.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: But I was not fit.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't fail to be most likely a full on
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: nuisance and irritant to him. And we definitely had our problems,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Like as every married couple, I mean a decade in,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: three kids later, pressed, You're going to have your problems.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Yea.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: So we definitely had our problems.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And I thought, I'm not one of those that feel
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: like I want to do this in the public, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not one to like string along. I feel like
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: separations can get very messy. And so when you find
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: yourself in that space, is that limbo space that's like
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you can kind of do what you can't, kind of
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: do what I can, kind of clock you, but I can't. Yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I am way more madam than you think. That is
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: not safe for anybody.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Way more mad.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, and control you got your mind? Well, yeah, we
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: live in a right to carry state in Georgia.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: I'm confused.
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: I'm just saying, chitty bang bang nigga.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I was talking about the mad having the hole.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: She's in control and quick the phone before she gave me.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Make sure real quick, real quick about the movie. I
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: know you gotta go.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: I gotta go with you, but come on, yet so
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: what was the hardest thing about filming the movie?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Because you have you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Know, okay, so the hardest thing about filming this film
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: and shout out to Lifetime because Lifetime is not going
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: to give you a little stage and make it pretty.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: They want to get as gritty as possible.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: So two scenes.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: One my drowning scene, because you can't fake drown so
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you have to really drown. So the drowning scene was
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: absolutely insane. And then being pushed off of the plane
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: and the falling and the debris and being under Ah,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: my goodness, the special.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: No it was real deal.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, he means that they sent us the green
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: screen is still in it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, it won't be what happened Charlemagne and the God.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: You happened to have the luxury of getting the screenair price.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: So there are certain VFX and if you could appreciate
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: the writer strike that we just had. There's a lot
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: of AI and VFX that go into a production now.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: So you got to see some of the first cuts, gotcha,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: and the world will see the final cut on February
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: the twenty eighth, on this good Saturday. Get your popcorn,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: get your girls, grab your friends, whatever, your drink or
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: non drink of choice is get ready.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: An't worried about doing press right now because she won't
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: get through the Let's definitely check it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Out earlier when the producers of America next time.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they were doing.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: And that's why I say, you can't stop a star
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: from being a star, regardless of what the platform is
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: that you know.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Causes them to take one to know one.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: You can.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I see you out here. I appreciate you.
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: Congratulations two hundred million.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Shut up, period, Jesus. I love a.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Don't do that and don't require is because he told
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: you no.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Because I got what I need to get out and
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: he mad now and so it's fine and I'm gonna
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: tell me too. It looked just like his happy face.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: He's just angry, Jesus Christ.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Even more sol ladies and gentlemen, It's the breakfast club.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Good morning, love you more every day up, wake ago,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: click your glass up.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: The breakfast club you finished for y'all.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: Dune