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Patriots Unfiltered 7/23: State of the Team, Veterans Arrive, Training Camp Storylines · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, and if I sound a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more excited than I usually am, it's because this is
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  Speaker 2: the week that training camp opens, Veterans reported today rookies
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  Speaker 2: are already here, coaches are in the building, and tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: we will be live at eleven o'clock with Patriots Unfiltered,
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  Speaker 2: high above the practice fields, bringing you all the action.
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  Speaker 2: But for now, it's our regular cast. It's Paul, it's
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  Speaker 2: Evan Deuce, It's me Matt Lebooth Jordan on the cameras,
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  Speaker 2: and we're here for the next two hours knocking ourselves
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  Speaker 2: in the mouth with our microphones. No talking about Patriots. Today,
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  Speaker 2: girod Mayo had his kickoff If you will press conference,
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  Speaker 2: and Mike you volunteer to kind of recap what he
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  Speaker 2: had to say.
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  Speaker 4: That's about competition, about competition.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 4: No, that was a big theme though. I think that's
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  Speaker 4: probably a good place to start. I also just think
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  Speaker 4: the best place to start is it's about winning games, right, like,
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  Speaker 4: that's what he said, and I think, you know, we'll
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  Speaker 4: talk a lot about drop Mayo style and you know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe how he's evolving a little bit and what he's anticipating,
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  Speaker 4: the things he's changing, but it's just the bottom line
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  Speaker 4: is he's got to win games. And whether you agree
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  Speaker 4: with how they've been doing things or not, they got
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  Speaker 4: a role start putting a team together here. So I'm
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  Speaker 4: excited like you are. Fred I did think, I guess
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  Speaker 4: just to highlight one point Paul that we talked about
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  Speaker 4: that was interesting. We talked about the practices shifting from
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  Speaker 4: usually nine thirty in the morning to now eleven to one,
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  Speaker 4: and he said, you know, it's about having some time
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  Speaker 4: before the meet, before the practice to meet, whereas it
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  Speaker 4: sounded like in the past they would meet late at night,
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  Speaker 4: they'd have to keep those things in their mind carry
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  Speaker 4: them over to practice the next morning. So uh, that's why,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we know we speculator a little bit. I
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  Speaker 4: thought that was something that.
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  Speaker 3: Got on Freddy.
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  Speaker 2: That was my thing, I think, and it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: You get in the classroom, you talk about what you
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  Speaker 2: want to do, what you're working on, and then you
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  Speaker 2: bring it right out onto the field. So then you
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  Speaker 2: implement it and then when you're done, take your shout
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  Speaker 2: or you do your lifting if you have to or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and and you go home.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got there were a couple couple of you
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  Speaker 3: go home, which is what my that's an inside joke
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  Speaker 3: with me and Freddy. I had a boss at at
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  Speaker 3: the Herald that used to say, you know, you do this,
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  Speaker 3: you do that, you do this, and when you're done,
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  Speaker 3: you go home. The you go home, and that was
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  Speaker 3: part of like my training. When you're done, you go home.
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  Speaker 2: As opposed to just stay there sleep overnight.
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  Speaker 3: So a couple of bookkeeping things you did. Mayo did
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  Speaker 3: say that everybody's here, all the players are accounted for,
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  Speaker 3: specifically about Judah and Godschab, both obviously in the final
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  Speaker 3: year or their contracts. Both have sort of publicly said
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  Speaker 3: that they're looking for for some more of Judan's like
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  Speaker 3: out there. Yeah, well gotcha put it out on social media.
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  Speaker 3: Judon kind of pushed back a little bit on Badard's
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  Speaker 3: report there, but regardless, may I acknowledged on both it's
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  Speaker 3: I think the way he put it was, they're all here,
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  Speaker 3: and my expectation would be that they're they're here. To compete,
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  Speaker 3: so whether or not they're going to be on the
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  Speaker 3: field tomorrow or probably more importantly the start of next
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  Speaker 3: week when pads come on in actually doing things we've
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  Speaker 3: seen in the past. Sometimes some of these guys take
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  Speaker 3: part in practice as normal. Sometimes they kind of are
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  Speaker 3: on their own schedule. So we'll see that next week.
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  Speaker 3: But there was a couple of book keeping.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get into the players. Evan'll update us on
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  Speaker 2: what the players had to say today. I want to
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  Speaker 2: go back to Mayo a little bit because he was asked,
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  Speaker 2: as we expected about Drake May and Brissett, and he said,
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  Speaker 2: right now, Prissett is the most pro ready quarterback and
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  Speaker 2: he is our starter, but of course, without question, without question,
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  Speaker 2: and Andy, okay, no surprise is there, right, But he
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  Speaker 2: also left it open. Listen, if, as he said, if
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  Speaker 2: may goes out and balls out, then it's an open
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  Speaker 2: topic and we'll see. So that's not a surprise either
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  Speaker 2: to me. I think you have to leave it open
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  Speaker 2: because you don't know as a head coach what's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen once these guys get on the field, so
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  Speaker 2: you have to leave the door open for any scenario.
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  Speaker 2: And it's my opinion that he is going to go
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  Speaker 2: out and ball out and show that he is the guy,
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  Speaker 2: the best quarterback on this team, and that that's my prediction.
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  Speaker 2: But you know a lot of people were running with us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he's not saying, you know, you know, tipping his
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  Speaker 2: hat one way or the other. Well, why would he
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  Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't know. He doesn't know the answer
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 3: I think I actually look at it the opposite way
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  Speaker 3: of I haven't really heard people. I thought it was
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  Speaker 3: a pretty strong it's per set well right now, yes,
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  Speaker 3: but but not like close he said, by far.
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  Speaker 2: At this time out of the spring. Yes, at this moment.
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  Speaker 2: He made it very clear Perssett is the starter, no
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  Speaker 2: doubt about it, if the season started today.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it was a wishy washy but I
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  Speaker 3: think definitive.
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  Speaker 2: But he left it open that conditions in the ground
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  Speaker 2: might change depending on performance on the field. I mean, right,
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  Speaker 2: was that accurate or not?
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  Speaker 4: That is accurate? But I think it was also you know,
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  Speaker 4: and he expanded that into general speak of anyone could
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  Speaker 4: step up. Yes, yeah, so, I mean I think he
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  Speaker 4: covered his bases a little bit there. I mean I
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  Speaker 4: did listen to Jacobe. I mean, he sounds like he's
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  Speaker 4: ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess bottom line, in so many words, if
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  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick was the head coach, he'd be saying the
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  Speaker 2: same thing, except maybe in a different way. But this
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  Speaker 2: is I think it's the only thing he could say
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  Speaker 2: at this point.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Bill was singing a similar tune about
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  Speaker 5: Cam Newton when Mac Jones was a rookie. Right after
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  Speaker 5: the draft, when they drafted Mac Jones, Bill said, Cam's
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  Speaker 5: our quarterback and it was that until the bitter, bitter
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  Speaker 5: end when they finally made right and I finally happened.
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  Speaker 5: So as of right now, it doesn't really hold much
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  Speaker 5: weight to me for him to say that Jacob were
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  Speaker 5: said as the starter right now.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't even put pads on yet, right It did
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  Speaker 3: to me.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't even have appropriated to you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if I if I had a ten percent chance
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  Speaker 3: in my mind of maybe being the starter on week one,
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  Speaker 3: it's down to five percent to me, okay, and that
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  Speaker 3: and that would probably be something happening for me.
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  Speaker 2: It changes nothing, It changes nothing.
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm with Paul on this one a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: Like I mean, I just think he was pretty firm
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  Speaker 4: with it. But I think the thing I keep thinking
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  Speaker 4: about is how will we know? How will the general
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  Speaker 4: fans know? And I think it's gonna be easy. It's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be easy to get well. I mean, but it
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  Speaker 4: is a good point of discussion because I think it's
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  Speaker 4: hard to see Jacoby Brissette out there and you know,
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  Speaker 4: you don't know what you don't know, and he's you know,
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  Speaker 4: making the right reads and he's making the right throws.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know. But I think everyone's going to be
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  Speaker 4: enamored with Drake May, and Drake May is going to
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  Speaker 4: do something athletically special and they're going to give that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that's going to be a weighted grade for
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  Speaker 4: Drake May. Whereas if Joey Sett just goes out there
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  Speaker 4: guilty of that and it's you know, and it's throwing
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  Speaker 4: the ball to the right guys, you know, it's and I.
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  Speaker 2: Just think it's we're hoping to see things and that
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  Speaker 2: sometimes blinds you. Yeah, but I didn't know if me
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  Speaker 2: is really grasp my prediction. You know, my prediction is
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  Speaker 2: it will be apparent, it will be obvious, Yeah to everyone.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to see what that looks like.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what you better be.
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  Speaker 3: To your point, Mike, you know, like, how will we know?
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  Speaker 3: It's a great question because we watched a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: practices in the spring. You guys watched a few more
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  Speaker 3: than I did. But I think it was overly apparent.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, other than the breakdown of the reps, I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking about the performance in those reps, like and for
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  Speaker 3: him to say it that's clearly after that, and like
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  Speaker 3: for him to say it was so definitive, like did
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  Speaker 3: you see it that way?
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  Speaker 2: Like back with Cam and Max Spring with the Spring? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was that definitive.
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  Speaker 3: No, yeah, well Mayo did.
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  Speaker 2: Kobe was that much better? Well, because he's seeing he
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  Speaker 2: knows that he's right.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying. I'm not saying was wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying this is how different it can be for
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  Speaker 3: the coaches as opposed to us just watching.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely agreed. Yeah, I mean we saw some physical things
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  Speaker 2: that may did that were like whoa, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: Jacobe can't do that, But like you said, there's a
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  Speaker 2: mental part of that whole spring in early summer that
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  Speaker 2: the coaches know that we don't.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, there's no question he's also starting Jacobybrisset from
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  Speaker 5: a much higher point today. He was talking about his
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  Speaker 5: experience in this offense and playing it in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 5: and he's basically coaching guys out there right now at
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  Speaker 5: this time of year, are not.
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  Speaker 3: Literally but helping me.
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  Speaker 5: And he's helping guys this time of year, not only
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  Speaker 5: just Drake May, but when we talked to David Andrews
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  Speaker 5: in the spring, David Andrews was saying that Jacoby was
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  Speaker 5: helping him with some of the protections and different calls
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  Speaker 5: that are now going to be called different things or
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  Speaker 5: terminology that's going to be different this time around. So
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  Speaker 5: that getting over that hump for Drake May against Jacoby
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  Speaker 5: is going to be a lot harder than the physical stuff.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he should be more physically talented than Jacob.
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  Speaker 5: We said, if he's not, then we have bigger problems, right,
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  Speaker 5: So that part of it should be taken care of.
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  Speaker 5: But I also think we can't lose sight of the
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  Speaker 5: fact that you don't want the offense just oh well,
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  Speaker 5: he knows it better and it's more on time when okay,
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  Speaker 5: but is it productive? Are they scoring? Are they moving
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  Speaker 5: the ball? Because yeah, it's great that when he hits
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  Speaker 5: his third step in his drop, the ball is out
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  Speaker 5: and it's to the right guy. But if it's for
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  Speaker 5: three yard completion, then what are we really doing here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I even look at it through the lens of a
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  Speaker 4: couple episodes again on Hard Knocks, when they had Drake
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  Speaker 4: May in there, and you just have Brian Dable feeding
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  Speaker 4: him elementary things about the giant offense. But you can
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  Speaker 4: see where Drake May and all rookies are starting from.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas Jacoby Brissett he knows all that stuff already. So
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  Speaker 4: it's I think there's a lot of ground for Drake
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  Speaker 4: May to make up. But I do think that there's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be some intrigue with the athletics stuff, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: we get in the red zone Paul probably probably gonna
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  Speaker 4: be in the red zone again. I'm guessing you know
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  Speaker 4: that I think there is that is interesting spot.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, watch how much different does girod start training
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  Speaker 3: camps than the way that building.
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  Speaker 6: Ye?
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  Speaker 2: All right, so we want to get to what the
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  Speaker 2: players had to say. But before we do that, I
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  Speaker 2: predictions for the season and what those predictions are based on.
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  Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots. So, Evan, you were present
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  Speaker 2: for the players and we had what four guys talk today?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, four guys. David Andrews will be by shortly. I
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  Speaker 5: would assume, but that he was running a little bit
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  Speaker 5: behind the other guys. But we talked to Jakoybersett, Jonathan Jones,
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  Speaker 5: Juwan Bentley, and then David Andrews will talk to Okay,
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  Speaker 5: hap it.
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  Speaker 2: Up anything of note.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I just think some of the things I was
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  Speaker 5: talking about with jacoiber Set, it's very clear that he
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  Speaker 5: feels extremely comfortable in this system, in this Alex Van
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  Speaker 5: Pelt offense, and probably the most comfortable person player wise
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  Speaker 5: right now with this system is him because he's the
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  Speaker 5: only one that's played in it so far. So I
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  Speaker 5: feel like that's a big thing for him, not only
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  Speaker 5: just competing for the starting job, but also this mentor
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  Speaker 5: role that he's supposedly going to take on as well
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  Speaker 5: with Drake May. It seems like he has a pretty
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  Speaker 5: good grasp, pretty good confidence about himself right now that
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  Speaker 5: he kind of knows what's going on. You know, he's
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  Speaker 5: sort of the elder statesman a little bit now, and
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  Speaker 5: he knows what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the mental role a
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  Speaker 2: little bit other than showing Drake May how to carry
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  Speaker 2: himself as a professional. Now, is it fair for us
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  Speaker 2: to expect Jacoby set to be really an on field
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  Speaker 2: meant to form Because if I'm Jacoby Brissett, I want
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  Speaker 2: to play too.
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  Speaker 4: Right, you know, I don't think like that shouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: part of his thought process. His thought process should just
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  Speaker 4: please play quarterback the way that I play quarterback. And
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots went out and got a guy who's a leader,
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  Speaker 4: who's experienced, who has a good personality that they think
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  Speaker 4: is generally likable and going to be helpful. But I
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  Speaker 4: don't think he can go into this job thinking like,
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  Speaker 4: well it's Drake, Okay, Like I'm want to make sure
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  Speaker 4: Drakes got He's got to do his job, and Drake
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  Speaker 4: just has to soak it in, you know, and be
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  Speaker 4: a sponge. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, And it's about and I think the things
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  Speaker 3: about Brissett that you've heard about his professionalism, how is
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  Speaker 3: he preparing, you know, those are the kinds of things
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  Speaker 3: watching film, getting ready, you know, how he carries himself
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  Speaker 3: in practice, how he's leading on the field. Just be
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  Speaker 3: a good role model for Drake may I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it necessarily has to be taking him by the hand
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  Speaker 3: and saying, right, here's how Vin Peltzer, these are the
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  Speaker 3: five things that you need to do to be successful.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that that's his job now. If he
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  Speaker 3: does those things, I mean that that's great. Like we
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  Speaker 3: heard a lot of really positive stuff from Kansas City
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  Speaker 3: back in the day when Alex Smith was sort of
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  Speaker 3: holding the place for Patrick Mahomes that he couldn't have
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  Speaker 3: been any any better. But I would say that that's
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  Speaker 3: probably rare where it's that, yeah, sort of tangible that
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  Speaker 3: the incumbent is helping the replacement. It's more of a
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  Speaker 3: you know, try not to be a jerk about it.
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  Speaker 3: And by all accounts, I've never spoken to anybody in
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  Speaker 3: this league that's ever had a bad thing to say
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  Speaker 3: about Jacobe Brissett, and that's kind of rare that you
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  Speaker 3: don't have any detractors at all. So I think that
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be a great leader just by example,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and will help big a proponent coming out
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  Speaker 3: of college Parcels and Weiss, Right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I was just going to say that, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think that this is the probably the first time
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  Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett has been a starting quarterback at this point
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  Speaker 4: the season for a team, right, Like, is this the
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  Speaker 4: first time ever that he's been in a training camp
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  Speaker 4: and been the actual starter at this point?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, there's just part of me that feels.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: In Cleveland in another year.
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, I know he started filling in, but I
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: mean just going into a season, you know, it's an
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: opportunity for him, and so I just, you know, I
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: hate having to put everything through. Well, what do you
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: think about Drake? Are you gonna get Drake right like you.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's a guy too, wants to play and
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: wants a chance. I wants to wants to play. And
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: I think that, you know, all these questions about Drake
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: and mentorship and stuff, it just it gets to be
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: kind of, you know, repetitive, and we all get what
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: the situation is. But give Jacoby Brissett a chance. Like
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe he goes out and really gets the
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: team going pretty well, and you know, is it a
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: dynamic problem. Maybe not, but you know, everybody's on board,
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: everyone's you know, playing hard. I think that there's a
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: way he can help this team, even that Drake May
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: comes in. And I just don't want to think of
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett as just a placeholder and we're just going
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: to discard him the second that everybody feels that Drake
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: May is ready and it's like, all right, thanks on
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: to the next one. I mean, I know that's probably
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: how it will be.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: You drafted this third overall, Yeah.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: But give Jacoby Brisett some respect at this point during
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: training camp, you know other than all right, all right,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: we get while you're here, just tell us more.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: About Joe used to say all the time it's it's
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: really hard to be a player in the league without
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: worrying about being a player and a.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Coach, right, Like, it's enough on your plate, it's.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Enough for everybody to worry about themselves.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: What did Jonathan Jones have to say, because he's an
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: important piece this year.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting because he's now the longest tenured defensive
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: player on the team and that's hard to believe that
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: we're at that point with him. But he's an elder
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: statesman truly at this point on that side of the ball.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: And how old is he?
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Thirty one?
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: Thirty one?
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at him as younger, but thirty one already.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he came in.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: You should probably look that.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, he you know, just talked about his
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: role in the defense a little bit, said, you know,
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: I just like playing football, whether I play inside, outside,
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: you know, in the back end, whatever, wherever they have me.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: And but I think there's also an element now of
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: a leadership role for him as well that he would
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: like to take on. And talking about Christian Gonzalez, he
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: calls Alex Austin double A. That's his nickname for him,
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: and he said that at times they'll come up to
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: him and ask him for advice, and at first his
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: initial reactions like, you know, why are you asking me
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: for And then it kind of dawns on him like,
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: oh wait a second, I actually have advice to give you.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: I actually, you know, can help you here. So I
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: feel like even he's starting to come into it a
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: little bit, but is almost like taken aback that. Okay,
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: now Slater's on the staff, but he's not a player anymore,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: and you know, Devin mccordy's not here anymore, and it's
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: he's kind of the guy I'm very curious to see
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: if he gets named to captain. I don't believe he's
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: ever been a captain officially, so he's someone that certainly
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: has that leadership void type of thing that he's going
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: to have to take over.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: It seems like he was real banged up last year too,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Like I just felt like he was fighting injuries the
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: whole year.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Be the question I would ask Evan is he didn't
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: do much in the spring. I know he said he
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: was ready to go for training camp, that he mentioned
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: any of the things that he was dealing with.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: He just said that a lot of the stuff that
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: he got done was clean up procedure from things that
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: were nagging injuries from last year. And he did say
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: he's ready to go.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Full go and he will be thirty one in September.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Will be thirty one. Yeah, and the contract week.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: In week two, he will turn thirty one.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: It is a little change in the schedule though, I
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: mean a lot of the guys have been going out
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: running their conditioning tests. I think Bentley just to come
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: off the field. But usually the pup stuff would happen
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: last week and we know, but when they arrived they
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: came did They used to come earlier. So I just
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: felt like we always knew the week before who was
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: going to.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Be injured guys. He'll be in waves, so injured guys
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: would have been And I do think that you're right
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: about the time, and this is one of those things
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: it's anecdotally to me. I might not have this right.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: The rookies came on Monday, right Friday Friday, so that's
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: definitely later than normal. It used to be like a
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: week before, think the rookies, the quarterbacks and anybody who
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: was injured, and that's when you get the first wave
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: of lists and then I mean, probably a good sign
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: that you didn't see any of those guys on any
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: list or anything. But I wonder if Gerard does it
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: a little bit differently, and maybe they've been here and
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: they've been working on a little bit, but they're all
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: taking the test today. Yeah, because he did say today definitively. Yeah, Yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: we have a conditioning run and that's part of the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: physical that's part of that whole process, just like building.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Is that a league requirement that there's some form of
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: baseline condition or something like that. I don't think something
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: that's just a team by team how they do it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: No, He seemed to kind of relish, like, no, that's
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: that's stand.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: JN.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Bentley said that it's that he actually had just come
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: from the conditioning test when he went up to the
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: podium and he said, it's essentially the exact same that's
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: what Bill had them do. He said, you know, maybe
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: a few minor things here and there, but he was
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: you know, he had a smile. He's like it was
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: it was good, you know it it was a conditioning test.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Mayo did mention Born that, you know, asked about him.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Played boy, He's we'll see, we're gonna run.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: See that's one that under the old regime, he would
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: have already done that. Yeah, yeah, as an injured guy.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: He wouldn't be doing that today because a guy coming
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: off in not an injured guy, guy coming off injury.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so definitely strange. I mean I think we're all
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: assuming today they'll probably announce strange to pup. I mean
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: maybe born.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see. I was kind of into maybe he
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: has already done it. He said that they will run today.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: He said, that's what Gerd said this morning.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Even the guy's coming off injury.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Well whoever, who, like, no one has done the conditioning run,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: according to Gerard Tea until because running today, if you're.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Coming off, if you're coming off injury, I would assume
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: that you don't put him out in the field doing
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: anything until you're sure that he's ready.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: So right, Yeah, Well, it's like when you do that
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: conditioning run. This is why I used to sort of
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: wonder how you could fail it, Like you don't just
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: it's not like Paul and Mike go out there and say,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: let's do you think we could do the conditioning run,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: and you know, maybe Mike does it, Paul doesn't, whatever, no,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: or you've practiced, it's like.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you know what the require the marathon.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: You know you can run a marathon, Yeah, because you've
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: been working out and working ramping up to running a marathon.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: But guys still, guys still, I think they they get
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: psyched out.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but not.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: We had to run the six thirty mile holy Cross.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: That was the I mean that was the the bar.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Now did you have to skate backwards when you did that?
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I could, I probably could. I would have done it
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: much faster than that. One other thing though, Javon Baker
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: little note Andre Callian today broke thumb or fractured thumb
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: and a.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Broke that was his injury. It's not a new injury. Yeah,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: just to clarify that it was from the spring that
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: was what was holding him back.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's okay to go or some pictures on Patriots
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: dot Com check him out.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Thumb are just being six weeks, right, I mean he
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: should be fine. Yeah, at least not legs or anything
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: like that unless there's ligaments. So yeah, I did.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Anything with legs. I mean we talked about I think
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: ought it wasn't like a hams you know.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Like that stuff, just like right soft tissue. Yeah, I
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: would agree.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Broken bone better than soft tissue. That sounds.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I really want to see him tomorrow. I mean not tomorrow.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying camp I know, I know, look, I know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: tomorrow is gonna be a little lackluster. There's just gonna
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: helmets on. It's you know, not gonna be ill all of.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: A sudden your enthusiasm.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: No, I.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Don't want to imply that we're going to see something
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: tomorrow that like, you know, but I want to see
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: how he moves again, and I just I just want
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: to see how involved he is, because as Evan said
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: a few times, he just moves a little different than
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: the rest of the guys. He's got some explosion from
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: his legs. And you know, I don't think Polk's ever
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: going to be a shortened T shirt kind of guy.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: He's going to be game day kind of guy. But Baker,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I think could be that guy. Maybe we're holding out
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: hope because he just didn't do that much and he's
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: like the lone guy left that you're still kind of like,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: maybe he's a guy, but he's he's definitely one of
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: the top of my list, and I just throw to
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: buy in there too. Didn't really do much in the
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: spring or didn't. He didn't participate, so he seemed like
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: he was recovering some something. Is he ready to go?
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: So if you guys to kind of keep an eye
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: on it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And uh, I don't know if we mention already. Judaan
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: is here, Gotcha is here? To what capacity they get involved,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: We'll see, but they are here.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: It's just the continuation of my invisibility.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: It's all right. I'm just repeating it just in case
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: people tune in at different times, you know. So that's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: kind of the state of the team. We'll get to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: your phone calls, we'll get to your emails, we'll get
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: to Aaron Shatz in a little bit. But around the league,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: there's some stuff going around Brandon Ayuk. That story is
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: still out there. And of course the Patriots aren't get
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: mentioned whenever that comes up, because I guess the reports
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: are I don't know how long ago, but they did
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: reach out to the forty nine ers. Forty nine ers
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: weren't interested in anything that Patriots were presumably offering.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: And the most recent report was the second round pick
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: that they offered before the draft.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so but are you wants to get traded? We'll
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: see what happens, but that's out there. There's talk. There
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: was a report today I forget. I think it might
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: have been Sports Business Journal about the eighteen game schedule
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that at a high level, they're continuing to talk about
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: that at the league, and you know, they would like
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: if they do it, they would like to do it
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: before the current CBA expires, so they'd like to do
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: it as an amendment as soon as possible.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: If they an extension.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: If they decided to do it, they'd still have to
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: vote with the players in order to do it, And
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: in order to do it, they have to give up something,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: So maybe it's extra bye weeks or certainly to give
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: up a preseason game, I'm sure, but that's all to come,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: you'll see.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: It certainly seems inevitable, Yeah, it is, doesn't It seem
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: like it was a bigger lift to get to seventeen
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: than it's going to be to get to eighteen. I
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I just because seventeen doesn't make sense, It doesn't make sense.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It was just a stepping stone. It was always a step.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: To bad number. It's a bad number for Patriots, it's
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: a bad number for games.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: I'm still not used to it. It's ten and seven.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: It can't be a five hundred team anymore.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: No, it's terrible.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: We got to win percentage. So that's coming.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Eighteen games is coming, I would say. I would say
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: in two years, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: What do you think is do you think they'll get
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: an additional buy and drop a preseason game or one
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: or the other maybe or both.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: I think the whole entire season schedule structure could be
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: blown from the off season all the way through.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I think even if they didn't do eight team games,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I think if they want to continue with these international games,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: they should throw in another bye week anyway, just to
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: make it a little bit easier to figure out that
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: schedule and make it fair for teams that have to
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: play overseas.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Plus you get to get the super Bowl. What President's Day,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: that's the holiday in February. Yeah, so if they could
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: get super Bowl Sunday and then President's Day is Monday,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: then everybody's off.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: The same thing.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Could you do that then there's a lot going on people.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Well, they could, but they wanted to move away from
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: that because of ratings. They felt like the ratings weren't
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: as good on labor Day weekend.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they used to play Labor Day weekend.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: It was one one day they actually opened on August
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: thirty first. Yeah, you remember that, Freddy.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: No, I don't remember.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: That was for San Diego get the superl Press.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I remember that Monday off something like that.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: It might even forty five it is to be.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Doing a Patriots film breakdown.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I remember that because that was in the early days
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of the paper obviously, and I couldn't go to San
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Diego because somebody had to stay back and get the paper.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Now it was it was the opener this particular year.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: It was here, and they blew them out in San
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Diego too, because I went to that game in ninety six,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: ninety six, but I think it was the ninety seven opener,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: maybe the ninety eight. It was one of those years,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and they blew them out on August thirty first. That
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: was the earliest opener I think.
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, league history, all right, yeah they could. I mean nowadays,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: maybe back then it hurt ratings, But do you really
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: think Labor Day would hurt ratings now?
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I mean they play on Christmas now, I.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Don't know, right, that's perfectly put I don't know how
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you can make the argument that we can play on Christmas,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: We're adding extra games on Thanksgiving, we're going to play
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: on all these different you're.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Going to put it on streaming service, all these.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Different ways that we're going to maximize our revenue, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: then fall back and say, well, we can't play on
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Labor Day weekend because.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I think whatever with Evan, I think whatever they whatever
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: they do that can make it so that the super
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Bowl falls on President's weekend is what you want to do.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: So you have super Bowl and work your way back
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: from there on Presidents because that's perfect. Now we have
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Monday off after the super Bowl. Let's go off.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Let's go for NFL team, so we can be off
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the Monday after the super Bowl.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: It's a week after, it is, right now, That is.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: That, yes? President?
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous. It's literally the week after and everybody,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: you know, go watch the super Bowl on Sunday night
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: and we're going to work Monday morning, and one week
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: later it would just be an off day for everybody.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Do you think if when they win, they go to
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: eighteen games and the season does get pushed that late
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: into February, they'll make an effort to schedule these later
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: games in January and February in either well playoffs. You
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: can't really determine, but try to go as much as
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: they can warm weather or dome stadiums late in the
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: season as possible. I don't you don't.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I think they love their weather games.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, it's very scenic.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well that's that's any other NFL news.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: You want to talk about.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Joe Burrow's hair, Yeah, shady looks.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know what what are the women saying?
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: That's what I said. I just said that to somebody.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: I was like, we're supposed to find this person attractive.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Right, I don't think it makes them unattractive.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I love I love Joe Burrow on
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: the field. He's getting a little he's getting a little crazy.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: Come back to me, Joe Burrow.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: All right, if I was inclined, I would, Yeah, the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: hair with him? Do you think he's I think he's
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: a handsome looking man. You stay healthy. He's what McCauley
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: what's his name, probably should have looked like when he grew.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Up without the drugs.
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're getting a little a little overrated territory with
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Joe Burt.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: You mean on the field just in general. I don't know.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Evan doesn't think he's quite as good looking as the
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: women make him out to.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think he's also talking about his play on
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the field.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Well, this is a whole package.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Can't stay healthy, right, Well, that's part of it. He's
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: been He's had season ending injuries.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Availability is the best ability.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: The ego keeps going up, and the game's played is
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: just kind of going down, and he.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Doesn't want anything. Like we talked about, Josh Allen.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Our guest is here. What what you're pointing to? Our
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: guest is here? Our guest is here? Which line we
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: got him on WebEx? Oh yeah, we got it. Okay.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: So we're listening to him through the speaker. Okay, make
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the speaker loud.
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: It's still working it out.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go a little louder, a little louder.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: But I can't hear you, Aaron.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Can you hear.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Us, Aaron? No? Okay, we can hear Aaron.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: We used to have a desk.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: We can hear a microphone here.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: The difference here is that we're trying to put Aaron
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: on WebEx so you can see him as well as hearing.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: So while we're waiting.
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: For testing one, two, three, can I hear you? Can
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: you hear me?
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: We can hear you. Can you hear us?
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: This is great radio.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: You cannot hear us? Oh okay, all right, all right, Well,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: while we're waiting for Aaron to hear us, you hear me?
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: I'm here.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: What What are the some of the things you want
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: to talk to him about?
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Well, I think I'd like to start with the wind projection.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: You know, they have seven point one wins and so
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: they're a little bit you know, optimistic, you know, thoughts
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: on the afc uh, what direction I see east specifically
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: what direction you know the Bills and the Dolphins are headed.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: And then the big one which I which I highlighted
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: in there for you, Fred was just there a little bit.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Don't worry about the offensive line, which I think you
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: know is something that just looking back at the off season,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I think, I look, I'm a borab with what they
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: did this offseason. Like the only like they took a
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: swing at Ridley they missed. But the only thing I
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: really would criticize them for this offseason that I don't
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: agree with was that they didn't fully address the tackle position.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: So I think that's, you know, to me, that's the
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: big headline is that, you know, why did they think that,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: you know, don't worry about it so much. I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: they say it wasn't quite as bad as some people
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: made it out to be last year. So I mean,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: if you're gonna tell me, hope we're getting the thumbs
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: up from Matt Morrell.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Aaron, can you hear us?
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: Yes, I can hear you, and can you hear me?
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, great? Thank you. Sorry about the technical difficulty. So, Aaron,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you're on Patriots Unfiltered with Mike Dusseau, myself, Fred Kersh,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Paul Perrillo, and Evan Lazarre, and so thank you for
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: doing this first of all. And my initial question is
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about FTN Fantasy and how
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: you come up with your numbers, because here we're very
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: familiar with PFF. That's kind of like what we but
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: he's a DVA. But tell us how you come up
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: with your predictions and the models that you base it on.
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: Sure, the DVOA basics during the season is that it
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: measures the success on every play compared to a league
• 32:27
  Speaker 11: average baseline adjusted for situation and opponent.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 32:30
  Speaker 11: What we do for the preseason in the book is
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: we have a big projection system that looks at performance
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: over the last three years, certain items that tend to
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: regress towards the mean, personnel changes, coaching changes. We throw
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: it all in there to try to predict how well
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: teams are going to play this year. I mean, there's
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: a range of possibilities for every team, but we give
• 32:52
  Speaker 11: you sort of an average output for each team. And
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: then of course FTN Fantasy also has like a ton
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: of other stats like Fantasy Projection and the DFS Optimizer
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: and all kinds of stuff at ftnfantasy dot Com.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to hog this, but you have
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the Patriots at around seven wins, and I work for
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the team, and you might be a game more than
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I have them for at this point, Like, tell us
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: what you're basing that on.
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we just think they're gonna have a really good defense.
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: They had a top ten defense last year despite not
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: being very dependent on turnovers, and they're getting back their
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: best pass rusher and two of their three best cornerbacks
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: who basically missed the entire season last year.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're basing it all on defense, but they
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: only won four games.
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: Defense should be bad, but we don't think the offense
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: will be as bad as last year.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so defense stays at least where it was,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: if not better because of the guys that coming back,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: and offense maybe is a tick better. And you say
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: that gives in the three extra wins. Do you also
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: factor in the strength of schedule, because right.
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: Now they have a hard schedule, so they we would
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: project more wins if they had an easier schedule. We
• 34:14
  Speaker 11: have them with the second hardest schedule in the league
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: behind Buffalo.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Aaron, that was my question for you because I heard
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: this kicked around and I'm not sure how true it is.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: But because Buffalo, the Jets, and the Dolphins are in
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: the division with the Patriots, they're out of division, schedule
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: might be a little bit easier than their in division schedule. Like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: how much does that factor into what we're seeing some
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: of these low win totals. Is just how good the
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: division is going to be versus maybe they could stack
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: up some wins outside the division.
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean the NFC West is good, right, they
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: played the NFC West. That's at least three good teams
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: in Arizona. We can have arguments about, but I mean,
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: I think the division plays a large role in how
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: Vegas sees this team. Right, they see three good teams
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: in this division, and the Patriots are very clearly fourth,
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: but they're very clearly fourth because of offense their defense.
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: I feel their defense should be even better than it
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: was last year with those players back. And I'll point
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: out that in our projection system, we gave them an
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: extra penalty for losing Bill Belichick. We were like, you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: no team has ever lost Bill Belichick in the last
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: twelve years, so we don't know what it means, but
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: we're gonna give them a little bit of an extra penalty,
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: and we still projected them with one of the best
• 35:31
  Speaker 11: defenses in the league.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Aaron, I just want to ask you about the offensive line,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: which was you know, a point I think all of
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: us coming into this season we felt that's maybe one
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: spot that they didn't quite fully address a lot of
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: questions about right tackles being able to play left tackle.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: But you know, in your preview, which I love I
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: read every year, thank you for it. You know, it
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: seems like you guys aren't quite as worried just to
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: read the kind of the last line. It might not
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: be the best in the league, but it's far from
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: the worst and not an area for concern in twenty
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: twenty four. Can you just tell me a little bit about,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: you know, what your thoughts on the offensive line here
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: and how it'll come together.
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: I mean, I disagree a little bit with Tyler who
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: wrote the chapter, Tyler Lockner. I do think it is
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: a concern in twenty twenty four. But the left tackle spot.
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: The rest of the offensive line looks fine, right. We
• 36:16
  Speaker 11: know that Mike on Win who is good right, Andrews
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: Strange and style, that's fine.
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: It's left tackle that's a big hole.
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: It's one of the reasons why I wouldn't play Drake
• 36:26
  Speaker 11: may early is you don't want him to get bad
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: habits behind the line that has no left tackle. But
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: I'm not going to pretend that that's not a problem.
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: It's a problem.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: You're mentioning Strange. We don't know right now if Strange
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: is going to play well.
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: I wasn't aware that he was dealing with an injury issue.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Well when he played last year. The offensive line I
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: believe was ranked by a lot of the various metrics
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: as being one of the worst, if not the worst,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: in terms of past block win rate, and Strange was
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: one of the weaker rated guards when he played. I'm
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: just curious as to why you think the offense won't
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: be as bad as it was last year.
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean the biggest reason is quarterback.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I.
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: Mean the quarterback. Let's assume Jacoby Brissett is the quarterback.
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: Jacoby Brissett. The ceiling and the floor. The ceiling should
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: be low, but the floor should be higher. Remember, Prissett
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: had his best year with Alex van Pelt in Cleveland
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: a couple of years ago. I don't think he's going
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: to be good, but I gotta think he's going to
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: be better than what mac Jones was giving them a
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: year ago.
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: I agree, and got to think.
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: The receivers are a little bit better. We don't know
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: quite what to expect from Polk, but Bourne has always
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: had good numbers when he's healthy.
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: I mean Bourne. The ESPN.
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: Receiver tracking Metrics absolutely loved Bourne a couple of years ago.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, Paul, you don't agree with it because you're
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: looking at it purely on ability, which but I also
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: look at it as attitude, and I think that's where
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Brissett is at.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I just concerns about I think Brissett has been a
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: productive quarterback in his time.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: As a starter.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's he's any better than Mac Jones. I
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: think a lot of the things that Aaron just said
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: about Brissett were would have been things that we said
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: about You know, the ceiling's not all that high, but.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: The floor is.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: That's what we said. That's how we talked about mac Jones.
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: Mac Jones is really a black Swan event though there
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: have not been other players like mac Jones in history
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: who were so good as rookies and then just completely
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: lost their way without blaming injury, like it was horrible
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: last year. Like, yeah, what we would have predicted going
• 38:35
  Speaker 11: into last year, We would have never predicted that Jones
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: would have been as bad.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: As he would. No, I know, But Aaron, this is
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: where I'm gonna push back a little bit on what
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: you just said. He wasn't you know, because we we
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: live this thing right right, we're here. He wasn't that
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: good his rookie year. He was highly highly managed.
• 38:52
  Speaker 11: Really he was good. He was good for a rookie.
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: He was good his rookie year. Yes, he wasn't great,
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: he was not CJS drought his rookie year. No, Butland
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: team with a good defense, like he was good his
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: rookie year, and then it just all collapsed. And there's
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: never been a quarterback like that whose career completely collapsed
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: after a good year.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: How many quarterbacks have the defensive coordinator come over to
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: be the.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I was challenge to go back and his rookie year,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: it's it wasn't as good as people remember. Yeah that
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: the fall happened before the second year, and people just
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: didn't see it right right when they started playing good
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: teams in the second half of the year, that's when.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: It kind and he was asked to do more and
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: he just couldn't do it. He was really harsh.
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: What he was asked to do he was good at
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: and then all of a sudden, the next year he
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: was bad at those things. And then the third year
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: he was horrible at those things.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been.
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: A quarterback like that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: Who Like The best comparison I've come up with for
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: Mac Jones is a receiver Michael Clinton.
• 40:01
  Speaker 10: Remember Michael Clayton.
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: Was amazing as a rookie and then completely self destructed.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know the reasons for Michael Clayton's demise,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: but I can tell you that it wasn't all on
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: field demise for Mac Jones. It was the environment, the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: situation he was put in, and his own attitude. I
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: think it all added.
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: Up wellde Wise, I gotta think there's a massive improvement
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: because I've never heard anyone compare about complain about Jacoby
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: brist We.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Agree with that, we all agree with that. That's why
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I think you might be right, Aaron, that the offense
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: could be a tick better than it was last year
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: because of that.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, even just on the baseline of not turning
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: the ball over like crazy like they did last year. Right,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: I think Jacoby Brissett's career interception rates like one point
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: five as a quarterback, and Mac was three point five
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: last year. So just if he doesn't tend the ball
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: to the other team, you know, twenty times.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're gonna be getting benched and everybody. I mean,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: his brain was mush, you know by mid season last.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Year, Aaron, you mentioned the Patriots defense not being you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: really hung up on turnovers, right, you know, in takeaways,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: and that's why you guys project them to be pretty
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: stable even post Belichick. And you explain that a little
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: bit more, because I feel like turnovers is probably one
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: of the most volatile things we have in the sport.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: In one year, you get them, in the next year
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: you might not.
• 41:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean exactly what you just said, which is
• 41:23
  Speaker 11: turnovers are very volatile. And I'm trying to open up
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: right now to see where the Patriots were in takeaways
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: per drive last year. The Patriots were the third lowest
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: defense in the league last year in takeaways per drive,
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: and that tends to regress towards the mean, which means
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: you can expect more takeaways. And this is a defense
• 41:46
  Speaker 11: that was ninth in the league by DVOA without getting
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: a lot of takeaways, and suddenly you expect them to
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: get an average number of takeaways. And you add in
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: Judean and you add in Gonzales and I don't exactly
• 41:59
  Speaker 11: know what Marcus Owns means as a defender, but you
• 42:01
  Speaker 11: add him to and it just this should be one
• 42:04
  Speaker 11: of the top defenses in the league. The offense will
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: be bad.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Eric, Just how hard was it for you guys this
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: year to really look at this offense. I mean, you
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: mentioned Bill Belichick leaving. It's unprecedented to lose a coach
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: of that magnitude, certainly here. How hard was it kind
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: of putting this all together, looking at the Alex van Pelt,
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: the Jacoby Brisaid, and then you know, adding in Drake May,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: who we haven't even really talked about.
• 42:28
  Speaker 11: I mean, I don't think it was that hard compared
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: I mean, compared to other teams. Listen, it's it's you
• 42:32
  Speaker 11: just have to accept to start out with that you
• 42:35
  Speaker 11: cannot project rookie quarterbacks very well, and you cannot project
• 42:39
  Speaker 11: them to be good. The average performance of a rookie
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: quarterback is going to be bad. But sometimes you're going
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: to get Bryce Young and sometimes you're gonna get CJ. Stroud.
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: But I don't expect Drake Made to play that much.
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: So when we did our projections for Minnesota and New England,
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: we expected that this quarterback positions would be split between
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: two guys. Whereas for Washington and Chica and Denver, we
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: expect the rookie to play the whole year, and for Atlanta,
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: we don't expect the rookie.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: To play at all, So, let me ask you a question.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious, why don't you expect May to play
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: that much this year?
• 43:12
  Speaker 11: Because I think that they feel like he's I mean,
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: he's the youngest of these quarterbacks who came out last year.
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: I think they feel like he needs more development time.
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: I think they got perseet to be a bridge quarterback.
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: Certainly they have a better bridge quarterback than Chicago does.
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: I mean, we can talk.
• 43:30
  Speaker 11: About whether Mariota would be a good bridge quarterback if
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: Washington for some reason didn't want to play Daniels. But
• 43:36
  Speaker 11: Chicago has no bridge quarterbacks, so of course they're playing
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: their rookie. And Denver doesn't really have one, so of
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: course they're playing their rookie. But New England has one.
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: They don't have to get May right out there right away.
• 43:48
  Speaker 11: If he impresses in camp and they feel like that's
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: the best thing for the team, they can do it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: But I would worry.
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: About having him behind that offensive line for a whole season.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Okay A lot of people share that sentiment. Yeah, all right, anything.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Else, guys, No, thanks, thanks for Aaron.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you calling in, and maybe you know we'll
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: have you on a little later. In the season to
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: kind of recalibrate what we're talking about.
• 44:11
  Speaker 10: But for that, I'm right, they're five and seven.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: For the record, I hope you're right about the defense.
• 44:18
  Speaker 11: I mean, I just think the defense is going to
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: be really good, but I'm not I don't.
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: That doesn't mean we think the offense will be good.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Aaron Shatz of FT in Fantasy, Thanks.
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: Aaron, all right, have a good day on it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Thanks Aaron.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: All right, that's Aaron shats good stuff for conversations.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like you said a lot
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: of the same things about the defense that we've all
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: been saying, which is on paper that they should be
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: a very good defense and we'll see how much of
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: an impact Bill not being here really makes. But talent wise,
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: they should be somewhere in the top five to ten
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: defenses in the league.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: I just think the elephant in the room of that
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: whole thing is is this all going to work out
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: with Jude on? Is judn't going to be around? Jude
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: not going to be that same pass rusher at thirty
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: two that we came to expect of him two years
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: you know, Like that's the big question as far as that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, I expect Gonzalez will be good. I mean
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: he mentioned Marcus Jones. I'm the same. I don't know
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: where he's going to end up.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: If he's but even just Jonathan Jones back, you lost
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: him for a good portion of last.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Years banged up to Yeah, he played last year. Well,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones missed the hard.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Marcus wasn't Jonathan Jones in and out like he was just.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Always on the injury or it was something and it
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: was always.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Usually I think even like I thought it was kind
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: of interesting the way he said they're getting two of
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: the of their best three corners back. Okay, well that
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: is how good is that?
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: But it's better than last year?
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but I don't know if that. I
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: don't know if Marcus Jones moved the ne for me
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: defensively now in terms of as a returner off the charts,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: as a potential gadget guy on offense off the charts,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: he was great right when he did that as a rookie.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: So in terms of that kind of stuff, big impact
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: player to get back, I'm not sure it's a big
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: impact guy to get back in the secondary. Maybe he
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: will be, Maybe he's that much better in the slot
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: this year in year three, and that allows you to
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: sort of do some different things. Maybe Alex Austin factors
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: into the secondary double a. Yeah, well another creative nickname.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Maybe that factors into the equation and that sort of
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: deepens your secondary a little bit.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Another interesting note I was reading through this was just
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: their split of pressure on first and second down versus
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: third down. So we were talking about this last week,
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: I think. But when they were able to cook up pressure,
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: whether it was with blitzes or different disguise or whatever,
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: they were able to get home. But just a four
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: man pass rush on first down, they were not very effective.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: And when you're not effective in the pass rush, you're
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: not disrupting the quarterback. You're not going to create turnovers
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: because there's no disruption on the QB. So that's where
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Judon comes into this whole thing. It's not just the sacks.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: It's the fact that if they can be more disruptive
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: on early downs and get after the quarterback, that's when
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: the snowball of turnovers usually starts to happen.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: I'd tie that into Godshaw too, you know a little bit.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Just I mean terms of early down you talk about.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've talked about this forever that I've been
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: into the Patriots and into defenses. When you're gonna play
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: so much too gapping, you're never getting penetration on early downs,
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: so there's not going to really be any disruption going on.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: So if people want to throw on first down against you,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: and I think last year was a big one like that. Now,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they're going to shift away. I mean,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I know why they like Godshaw, but I think that
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: that's part of why they're not that great against the
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: pass on first down is they like to play big.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: They like to, you know, make sure they're stopping the run.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: But I think they're susceptible.
• 47:37
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  Speaker 7: Mattie here, Let's listen to a snippet from the latest
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: episode of Pats from the Past with Matt Castle.
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: It's time for another episode of Pats from the Past podcast.
• 49:06
  Speaker 12: Matt Smith here alongside with Papaolo when we were pleased
• 49:08
  Speaker 12: to be joined by former Patriots quarterback Matt Castle. Matt,
• 49:12
  Speaker 12: thanks for joining us.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Absolutely glad to be here. Why are you here, Matt?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: What would bring you back.
• 49:16
  Speaker 9: To What would bring me back to the Foxborough is
• 49:19
  Speaker 9: not just the people, the fans, but it's the tribute,
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: Let's be honest, it's the tribute the retirement ceremony for
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: Tom Brady. And you know, it was an incredible start
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: to the ceremonies last night when we all got together,
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: a bunch of teammates, old teammates and familiar faces coming back.
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: So we had a blast last night. We're looking to
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: continue it tonight.
• 49:37
  Speaker 12: You're a busy man with a big family, with a
• 49:39
  Speaker 12: lot of responsibilities and everything like that, so it's not
• 49:43
  Speaker 12: the easiest thing to sort of I'm going to drop
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: everything I'm doing. But was it and I'm sure so,
• 49:48
  Speaker 12: I mean, I don't want he answer it for you. Challenging,
• 49:51
  Speaker 12: but was it an easy decision to make that I
• 49:53
  Speaker 12: wanted to be here.
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: It was challenging, but it was definitely an easy decision
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: to make. I mean, Tom's a close friend of mine.
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: He's played an important role in my development when I
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: was young, and throughout the years we've stayed close and
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: just the fact that we get an opportunity to celebrate
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: him tonight and send him send him out in the
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: proper fashion, and it'll be it'll be a fun, fun
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: experience for everybody.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: You talked about the event that you did on Tuesday night,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: any particular teammate that maybe you hadn't seen and you're like, wow,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: it was great to catch out. I'm sure there were
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of them, but that one individual that stood out.
• 50:27
  Speaker 9: You know, there's not one individual. The cool part about
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: it is the thing that you missed Motes, and we
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: talked about this is when you leave the game, you
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: miss that locker room. And you had Logan Mankins, Matt Lay,
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: Dan Cope and Lonnie Pax and Kevin Fox, Dion Branch,
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: all these guys that you've had these incredible experiences with
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: and we played together, we competed together. But to come
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: back all and get into one room and be able
• 50:51
  Speaker 9: to see those guys and pick up where we left
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: off and tell funny stories and old jokes, that's what
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: it's all about, and that it's the camaraderie that you
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: really don't experience in other walks of life, but you
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: do in that locker room, and so it's pretty unique.
• 51:06
  Speaker 12: All right, let's start where it started in two thousand
• 51:08
  Speaker 12: and five, and here's a guy who played one of
• 51:11
  Speaker 12: the best programs in all college football. You didn't get
• 51:14
  Speaker 12: a chance to play a lot. What were your what realistically, Matt,
• 51:19
  Speaker 12: did you think was going to happen as you entered
• 51:21
  Speaker 12: the draft that year.
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: Honestly, I was just hoping to catch on as a
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: free agent and prove myself, maybe even get in a practice,
• 51:29
  Speaker 9: because my expectations were, Hey, if I can get in,
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: hopefully I can get a chance to prove myself. And
• 51:35
  Speaker 9: throughout the process, I had a good pro day and
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: all that stuff, and I had some workouts for about
• 51:39
  Speaker 9: five different teams, and I just thought, you know, there
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: is potential here that I will be a free agent somewhere.
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: And then all of a sudden, that last day of
• 51:47
  Speaker 9: the draft, I get a phone call. I was sitting
• 51:49
  Speaker 9: down at my agency's like, look, free agency is going
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: to happen quick. We got to be prepared. We're getting fucked.
• 51:54
  Speaker 9: We're started to field some phone calls from different teams,
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: and next thing, I know, Coach Belichick's on the line
• 51:59
  Speaker 9: and saying, hey, Matt, welcome to the New England Patriots.
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: We're going to take you next in the NFL Draft,
• 52:04
  Speaker 9: and my jawge is dropped. I kind of even had
• 52:06
  Speaker 9: to ask him, are you messing with me? Because I
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: didn't think it was realistic, right, I mean, for a
• 52:11
  Speaker 9: guy that threw I think it was thirty two total
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: passes in college, I backed up to Heisman Trophy winners,
• 52:16
  Speaker 9: which probably you know, kind of helped me along the
• 52:18
  Speaker 9: way in terms of the perception of who I could
• 52:21
  Speaker 9: potentially be.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: But there wasn't any tape out there.
• 52:23
  Speaker 9: And so the fact that they took a shot on
• 52:25
  Speaker 9: me and gave me an opportunity, I would be forever,
• 52:28
  Speaker 9: forever grateful.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: So when you got drafted, you know, I was. We
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: were still doing the newspaper back then, Matt, That's how
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: long ago it was. But you know, I had your
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: draft profile that year, and I called Pete Carroll, who
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: was the head coach here my first year working for
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Patriots dot Com, and I talked to Pete a little
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: bit and he gushed about how agonizing the decision was
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: between you and Matt Leiner and how you guys had
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: sort of toggled back and forth, and you know, depending
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: on the day that he woke up, he was convinced
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: you with the guy right, and then it was him
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: was you? And do you think that maybe Pete talked
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: to a lot of NFL guys, maybe with his obviously
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: extensive experience, and maybe that sort of helped give you
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a push.
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: I absolutely think he had an influence on just the
• 53:13
  Speaker 9: ability to know so many different people from a personnel standpoint,
• 53:17
  Speaker 9: and then at the same time, I remember on the
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: pro day, before we started our pro day, he would
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: go in and speak to all the scouts individually about
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: each guy, and so I know that we always had
• 53:28
  Speaker 9: a good relationship. And as agonizing as it was for him,
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: it was more agonizing for me to sit there and
• 53:33
  Speaker 9: have to wait and say, you know, I can't the
• 53:36
  Speaker 9: week before season getting called into that office and getting
• 53:40
  Speaker 9: the devastating news that what you've been working for, you've
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: been the backup for three years behind Carson. This was
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: I felt like it was my time to go. And
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: then to be told, look, we're going to go with
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: line Art to start, but if he falters it all
• 53:51
  Speaker 9: and you know, he took off that first game with
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: like a rocket ship and we go beat Auburn. And
• 53:56
  Speaker 9: then I was like, man, what am I going to do?
• 53:58
  Speaker 9: So I stuck playing. I went and switched over, played
• 54:00
  Speaker 9: a little tight end that year, played on special teams,
• 54:02
  Speaker 9: did all these different things just because I wanted to
• 54:05
  Speaker 9: play and be a part of it. But I was
• 54:06
  Speaker 9: kind of stuck in that catch twenty.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: That's why Belichick drafted. Yeah, He's like, maybe he'll be
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: on special team.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: The more you can do, right, the more you can.
• 54:13
  Speaker 12: Do Okay, So you're here ostensibly. You know, it helped
• 54:16
  Speaker 12: celebrate Tom's career, and so one of the big things
• 54:18
  Speaker 12: that has happened throughout the years, or rookie comes in,
• 54:21
  Speaker 12: you're in the room with him.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: You know, what was your first impression when you met Tom?
• 54:25
  Speaker 9: You know, I pretty much introduced myself in the weakest,
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: nerdiest form and fashion when he came up. I said,
• 54:31
  Speaker 9: mister Brady Matt Castle. Because you know, it's an intimidating environment, right,
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: and this guy just came off three Super Bowls.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: You don't know how to like Normally you go up
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: and say, hey, what's going on?
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: Nice to meet you. I just completely geeked out with
• 54:44
  Speaker 9: a mister Brady and he's like, hey, Bud, don't call
• 54:46
  Speaker 9: me that, call me Tommy. I was like, he might
• 54:48
  Speaker 9: have me cut tomorrow based on the fact that he
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: doesn't want to be in the room with somebody like that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: But no, he was incredible from the jump. I mean
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: we got in there, and then soon thereafter, as we
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: started to get into the work out that offseason, he's
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: noticed that, Look, I was one of those workout warriors too.
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: I like to go in there. I like to work out,
• 55:06
  Speaker 9: and he's like, hey, you want to work out with me.
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: So he kind of took me under his wing at
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: that point, and from that point on for the next
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: four years, we worked out every day with each other.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: We were in every meeting.
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: But for me, it was just incredible to watch the
• 55:19
  Speaker 9: professionalism day in and day out, and his leadership. And
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: it was not just with his words, but it was
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: with his actions. It's how he took care of himself,
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: it's how he interacted with his teammates, how he treated
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: one guy because he thought he could get the most
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: out of this guy, like Welker, for instance, he could
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: yell at him all day long, and Welker would just
• 55:37
  Speaker 9: continue to go, you know, and then there's other guys
• 55:40
  Speaker 9: that maybe like a rainy Moss that he'd sit there
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: in the locker after practice and just have a general
• 55:44
  Speaker 9: discussion about stuff because how he approached people was different
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: based on their personality and the relationships. So it was
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: just a masterclass in being a professional quarterback. And then
• 55:57
  Speaker 9: to watch what he did week in and week out
• 55:59
  Speaker 9: was just so you.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Get to be part of that room with, you know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: the best that's ever done it, and you also get
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: to be coached by a guy who a lot of
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: people think is the best who's ever done it. What
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: do you remember about Bill specifically? But and I know,
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Matt and I tell talk about that story that I
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: think you talked about in the Dynasty documentary about him
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: calling your mom.
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, right about being a dumb ass because I
• 56:24
  Speaker 9: missed the corner blitz that was my rookie year. Yeah,
• 56:27
  Speaker 9: it was the last preseason game. I didn't see the
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: week corner blitz, which hey, they were pretty sneaky about it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: This guy's as well, but he definitely called me out
• 56:35
  Speaker 9: in the meeting the next day. He's like, you know, Matt,
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: let's make sure we go through the fronts and check
• 56:40
  Speaker 9: the corner blitz. I don't have to call your mom
• 56:42
  Speaker 9: and tell our dear missus Castle, we're sorry your son's
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: in the hospital because he's a dumb ass.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: And for the whole tear, I was like, yep, I
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: deserve that one. But Bill, Bill was.
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: He was incredible because he pushed you to limits that
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: you didn't know that you could go, and he got
• 56:57
  Speaker 9: the best out of each of his players. But I
• 56:58
  Speaker 9: always respected about Bill was he had you better prepared
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: for any situation situationally speaking, also just game readiness then
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: I've ever been around. And part of that was even
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: on Tuesdays, taking the time out of his day. On
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: a Tuesday or off day, we'd come in, we'd meet
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: with him and you've probably heard the story. We sit down,
• 57:16
  Speaker 9: go through every personnel and their defensive back end, safeties,
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: corner strengths, weaknesses, summarize who they are, then even maybe
• 57:24
  Speaker 9: a potential matchup on linebackers, talk about the defensive coordinator
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: and also his lineage and where it came from. Then
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: we'd watch film on all these guys. So by the
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: time you came in on Wednesday, you're rolling. You understand
• 57:37
  Speaker 9: why we're implementing certain past schemes and concepts, who we're
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: trying to attack on specific routes, who are trying to
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: take advantage of And so you just had this, You
• 57:47
  Speaker 9: had this confidence going into game week understanding why we're
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: doing certain things, and there was.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Never that wait, what are we doing?
• 57:56
  Speaker 9: And if there was, it was answered right and so.
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: And the other thing I always appreciated about Bill was
• 58:02
  Speaker 9: he he was always held everybody to the same standard
• 58:06
  Speaker 9: of accountability.
• 58:07
  Speaker 13: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh No,
• 58:12
  Speaker 13: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 58:15
  Speaker 13: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx Where
• 58:19
  Speaker 13: now it's next for residential delivery only.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: And now great moments in.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: History. My father had a hardware store in Brooklyn, Okay,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: in the city, and I'd go in there and work.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: When I was a little kid, first grade, they put
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: me on the subway to get sandwiches for people, and
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I go to this place that they you know, and
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I'd go get the sandwiches for everybody and bring them back.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: First grader on the subway by myself with money in
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: my pocket.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's great. That tops me. You know that
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: tops me.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: It's like you would never do that now and I
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: can understand that, but back then you could do it.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: You went from all that to East Dennis. It was
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: that a was not a crazy transition for you, going
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: from like a city to living in the middle of nowhere.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: No. No, he worked in the city. We lived in
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: the suburbs of New Jersey.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, knowing how dead it is down there. The subway
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: didn't always have a great reputation back then either. Though.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Oh maybe my father didn't like me. I don't know,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: but maybe he won't come home off the hook. That's
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: another great moment from all right back here and Patriot's Unfiltered.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: We talked to Aaron Shatz in the last segment. We
• 59:36
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• 59:40
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• 59:45
  Speaker 2: at patriot dot com is the email address. Let's get
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: to those phones and emails. We'll start it off with uh,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Eldred in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? Hey, we're doing good.
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  Speaker 2: How about you?
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  Speaker 6: I'm doing good. I was just wanna do a big
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  Speaker 6: shout out to mister Legend. Happy birthday today, buddy whose
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: birthday is? We have many more John John Rook.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, John Rook, Happy birthday. Step inside the playbook book tomorrow,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Right's playbook will be here tomorrow, our broadcaster, Happy birthday. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was not aware of tomorrow. And you want tomorrow?
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  Speaker 6: Well, y'all, y'all touched on a little bit. But I
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  Speaker 6: was wondering because I saw yesterday in the NFL network.
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  Speaker 6: I've got the guy's name. But this is about are
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  Speaker 6: you and saying how much? How much Wolf wanted him
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  Speaker 6: and still want them? You're right, I stuck around with
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  Speaker 6: draft pickures that they're gonna pay him twenty eight to
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  Speaker 6: twenty nine million a year. But it's all on San
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  Speaker 6: Francisco tomorrow. We're in the leading, we're the lead hunt
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  Speaker 6: for it.
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  Speaker 2: So what do y'all think?
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  Speaker 6: And I take it off the air, you'll have a
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  Speaker 6: good day, man.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks. Yeah, So would you do that if you're the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots second round? Second absolutely and paid that much money,
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  Speaker 2: Well that's not up to me, but I wouldn't pay it, No, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would.
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  Speaker 4: I would let robber Craft pay that money take.
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  Speaker 5: I'd let him pay more, like I feel like with
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: Brandon Aiyuk. I keep going back to the aj Brown
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  Speaker 5: trade from Tennessee to the Philly, which was a first
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  Speaker 5: and a third round pick, but a mid first round pick.
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  Speaker 5: There was eighteenth overall in one on one overall, and
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  Speaker 5: a second round pick is just not it's not getting
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  Speaker 5: you there, like you need to add more than just
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  Speaker 5: a second round pick to it. But if it's a
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  Speaker 5: second this year, or maybe this is the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: five draft now we're talking about, and it's a second
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  Speaker 5: and a fourth or something like that, that gets you
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  Speaker 5: closer to that compensation.
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  Speaker 2: About a conditional second. So if he does something it
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  Speaker 2: turns into a first.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you could do that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, now that's top ten pick, yeah right, it
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  Speaker 3: could be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, just to be clear that I've gotten asked this question,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: I looked into it. You can't do what they do
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  Speaker 5: in the NBA, where picks are protected based off of
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  Speaker 5: where you finish in the standings. So the Patriots can't
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  Speaker 5: trade their twenty twenty five first round pick top five protected.
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  Speaker 5: So if it's a fourth overall pick, then have kicks
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  Speaker 5: to next year or something like that. Like they do
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: in the NBA, those trades don't happen. So Brandon Iyuk,
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  Speaker 5: if he makes Pro Bowl honors, if he's an a thousand
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  Speaker 5: yard receiver, you could do all those types of things
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  Speaker 5: with the conditions. But it can't be conditioned on the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: Patriots winning seven games like it has to be conditioned
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  Speaker 5: on the player.
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  Speaker 2: I think you know the money aside, and I know
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  Speaker 2: that's a big deal. But if Brandon Ayuk right now
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  Speaker 2: was available in the draft somehow he could go back
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  Speaker 2: and be eligible for the draft, wouldn't he be a
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  Speaker 2: first round pick?
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  Speaker 5: He was a first round pick when he came out
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  Speaker 5: of a.
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  Speaker 3: First round pick when yeah, so what he said?
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, you know, now, like if you're the Patriots,
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  Speaker 2: isn't that much of a leap to say, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: give him, I give them a first round pick and
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  Speaker 2: I would pay the money.
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  Speaker 5: It all depends on how good you think he makes you.
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  Speaker 5: If he makes you a middle of the pack team
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  Speaker 5: and that first round pick is now the thirteenth overall
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  Speaker 5: pick instead of the third overall pick, then that's a
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  Speaker 5: different conversation.
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  Speaker 3: But if you're still going to stay and everybody would
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: sign up for that.
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  Speaker 2: But again, let's look at let's project next year's draft,
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  Speaker 2: and of course we don't know. There's always guys that
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: have great years and all of a sudden they rise up.
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  Speaker 2: But right now, wouldn't he be a top six pick
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  Speaker 2: in next year's drafting if you could somehow magically make
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  Speaker 2: him eligible for the draft?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Probably, I mean, because now you know how good he is.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not even a leak.
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  Speaker 3: That's not how it works.
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  Speaker 2: It's not how it works. But you know, would he.
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  Speaker 3: Be a top six pick four years from now when
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: that whole class had three years of NFL experience? I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: don't know, but you.
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  Speaker 2: Do know about Ayuk. But you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Ayuk is a really good player, right, But
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  Speaker 3: he's four years in the league.
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  Speaker 2: That's why you know he's a good player.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'm saying this is fantasy.
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  Speaker 3: World, but you're comparing them against guys that have never
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  Speaker 3: played yet.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, But that's my point.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to give up a top ten pick?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: That's my point. I'm just I'm just throwing this out there.
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  Speaker 3: So how about this?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, dude, do you understand what I'm saying? I do.
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  Speaker 3: I totally understand what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 3: I think everything you said is right. I wish I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: could argue, but this is not conducive to arguing.
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  Speaker 4: I told you you just relast.
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  Speaker 2: See, I need to purpose. We need to get back
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  Speaker 2: on purpose to put you at a disadvanced How.
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  Speaker 3: About if you know and I we talked a lot
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  Speaker 3: about the thing that Evan just mentioned about. You can't
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: protect the picks, but you can't put it into the future.
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  Speaker 3: You know, would it be possible to say, a twenty
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: twenty six first round pick, whereas now Gerrod Mao and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Elliott Wolf have two full years to sort of get
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  Speaker 3: out of the top ten of the draft. Yeah, you know,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: like you should not be expecting to pick in the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: top ten two years from.
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  Speaker 2: Now, right, But the forty nine ers know that too.
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  Speaker 3: No, I understand that.
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  Speaker 5: But like if it's a second and twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 5: in the first in twenty twenty six, or okay, third
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  Speaker 5: and the first, or something sweeten.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing a lot of people have thrown in
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: there is like Judon is a sweetener. I don't think
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: that that is much of a sweetener for for the
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: Niners unless you get into camp and things happen, you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: maybe Nick Bosa gets hurt.
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  Speaker 5: Or well, they don't have somebody quite they don't have
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: a definitive starter opposite and right young last year, and yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's play this game. We go through this
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: season and Drake May is the guy. He's proven in
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: the last ten games that he played he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be the guy. And now push I you to next year? Now,
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  Speaker 2: would you pay the King's ransom to get him? Because
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: now you know you got to?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but now like that, but now he's now he's
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: in a franchise tag year, probably with the forty nine ers,
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  Speaker 5: So the whole trade equation changes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, conditions are the same, except that now
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  Speaker 2: you know Drake May's going to be a good quarter, I.
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  Speaker 3: Go all in as a free agent for for him. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: If he hits, he's not going to hit. And he
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: hits the market, yeah, he's going to be tagged. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and then you're trading him on tag if you're the Niners,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: which means you're gonna get less than if you're trading
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: him now just inherently you're gonna get less. But I
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  Speaker 5: just feel like with him, it just comes down to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: your point. Like the Houston Texans, they played a year
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  Speaker 5: with c J. Stroud and Tank Dell and Nico Collins
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  Speaker 5: and they made the playoffs and won a playoff game,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: had a great year, and then they made the Stefon
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  Speaker 5: Diggs trade this offseason to add him to the repertoire.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like if Jalen Polk and Javon Baker are
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: two good players and then next offseason you're adding Ayuke.
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  Speaker 5: That's the ideal situation. But the problem is is that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: if Auk hits unrestricted free agency, what you won't So
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: maybe using T Higgins as better Now you have to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: compete with the whole rest of the league. So now
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: you have to be a more appealing spot for T
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: Higgins to sign, just like we had with Calvin Ridley
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: this offseason. So in order to make that happen, the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: Patriots have to exceed expectations and then some and be
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: an attractive destination for a free agency.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking me into not doing the Ayuke deal. You're
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: you're talking me into waiting a year and then go
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: full bore because may it may not be Ayuku's available,
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  Speaker 2: but there will be somebody of the Higgins Metcalf.
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  Speaker 14: I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: Higgins as good as.
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  Speaker 3: He's not as good as I, but he's really good. Yeah,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: but he's a better player.
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  Speaker 5: Historically speaking, that's the way that teams have done it.
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  Speaker 5: It's either been going into year two or year three
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  Speaker 5: for the quarterback Buffalo with Diggs, Philly with A J.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: Brown Tyreek in Tua, like that's usually the year. It's
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: not the rookie season for that.
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  Speaker 2: So would it have been a mistake or regrettable if
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: they had gotten Calvin Ridley?
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 4: No, you know, I just think those those guys are
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: only available at certain times and if you've got the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: space and the money to do it, then you got
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: to take a swing on him. But you're you're your
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: hypothetical has got me thinking of like, where would you
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: stack Ayuk against last year's class with Harrison Nabors and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: a Duneesa.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: Well, again, are we comparing him when he came out?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: No, you're doing we're playing pat comparing apples and or
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: I know, but you're just one's a known commodity. Everybody
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: else isn't. But that's that's my point is you know
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: he's good now so, but why not give up?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: But what you're trying to project is what Mike just said.
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  Speaker 3: If you were in a class with those three guys
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: that just went in the top fifteen picks, top nine pick,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: top nine picks, would he be considered the best of
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: those those four players? No, Harrison neighbors in a dudn't say,
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  Speaker 3: not even close, not even closer coming out of college.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, what he is? Now?
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  Speaker 4: Why do it?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Why are we doing it that way?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: We're doing it that way. See Paul's going back here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying the twenty twenty five draft. You know die
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: is but just like this, but you don't really how
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  Speaker 2: good they're going to be. I don't.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know that, and I know how is correct.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: But if you think the guys that are coming in
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: are going to be better than that, I wouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I'm trying to explain to you. That's
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: the trick I guess baseball. Anybody can say.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to It's the bird in the hand.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: You have to identify which guys you think are going
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: to be better.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: But but but in my scenario, I know ayuk is
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: is that good. So I don't have to guess. I'm
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give a first round pick for a first
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: round and you can do it that way. It makes
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: total sense. But what Evan's trying to tell trying to say,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: and I definitely.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Agree with you, I'm so confused he's trying to tell you,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Roman.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: But he's going back here. I'm not going to pay.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: But there are gonna be three guys just like that
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: in this draft, because that's the draft in the last
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: ten years.
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  Speaker 5: Until you see Luther has.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: You have to decide, do you think those guys coming
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: out next year will be better players than Brandon Ayuk?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Is right nex from Marvin Harrison. I think I still
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: would pick Ayuk if I knew how good he's gonna be.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: I would take a Yuk over all of them, because
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: he's a top ten receiver in the league.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, so now you're making my point.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not how it makes.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: Some of them might be top three, but Marvin Harrison
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: might be the best receiver in the league.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: In your in your opinion, you would do that because
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: you'll take in the known commodity. The trick for the
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: decision makers, the personnel guys is to identify who they
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: think is the better player, not today, who will be
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: the better player. Well, I'm just so if you think
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: that he's better than neighbors in Adunze, no one's here
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: to tell you you're wrong. But Evan thinks all three
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: of those guys are going to be better players than you.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: You know, go up one step. I don't think if
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: it's Justin Jefferson, it's a no brainer, right Well yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: Mean I have to give you credit. You were on
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: the Jefferson.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: If it was anybody that's currently in the league at
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: this stature, then they're all better than the prospect.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: But we don't know what any of those souls. But
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: let's just go back and this is what I'm trying
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: to talk about. And in the recent past, it's it's
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson. Yeah, it's c Dee Lamb. You know, there's
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: a lot of great receivers. But but Jamar Chase, it's
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: not just Marvin Harrison. No, I get all these guys
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: are better than Don't you.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Think every personnel director would love to pick a guy
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: who they already know is great?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: But would they would they forfeit a chance to get
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: a guy who's better. That's the trick.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: It's yes, I think they would. I think they would
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: take I wouldn't. I think they would take the If
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: I can get Justin Jefferson, knowing that how he is,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I would take him over the.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Guest Justin Jefferson. Yes, that's not Brandon.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Jamar Chase, you mentioned all these guys.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: All of those guys are better than Brandon Ayuk is
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and I agree, and I agree, and
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: that's what they're weighing, like, is the guy coming out
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: of the draft, is he going to be better than
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuki is now four years light right, like he's
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: going into his fifth season. Evan is telling you Marvin
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Harrison is going to be better than that, is going
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: to be better than that, and Roma Dunsay is going
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: to be better than that.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: And I don't know that either.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: But that's what makes it hard. I know, like we
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: can sit here on our on our comfy couches and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: not argue, but just my bottom line is, and we
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: we don't have any repercussions. I don't know if if
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: we're wrong, but.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: John, I just don't think it's such a I just
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: don't think it's so crazy to say it's not. Yeah,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: I'll give up a first round pick now for Brandon.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: I you because he's a first round talent.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: It's not crazy. But I don't think you're crazy for
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: thinking that way.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: But but there's a lot of people, No, we can't
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: do that. I wouldn't, you know.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it because of where I am as
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: a as in my rebuilding process.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: That's that's the whole thing.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: It's also just asket a real location because you also
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: have to think about it, even though we don't necessarily
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: think about the money. Marvin Harrison Junior is on a
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: rookie contract, he's under team control for five money as
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: a whole, and he's twenty one years old, whereas Brandon
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: Ayuk is twenty six. You're about to pay him thirty
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: million dollars a year, and he's going into year five
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: of his NFL career instead of year one, And those
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: things are factors in. And then you also have to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: think about they need a left tackle. And as much
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: as the receivers all become available in the veteran market franchise,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: left tackles do not come available in the veteran market.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: You just don't see it happen. Like, if you're that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: good at that position, you're usually locked up for a
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: long time with your team, or the very rare case
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: of like Trent Williams happens where they get traded, but
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: you're not going to see a top ten left tackle
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: in the league hit unrestricted free agency. Yeah, it just
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: doesn't happen.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, I think you're talking me into unless
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Kiten Wallace becomes the next left tackle that gets locked in,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: I think you're talking me into next year, use that
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: first round pick on a left tackle, and then you
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: go into free agency for your wide receiver.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: That's the rational thing to do, I would say, is
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: to hold your water on the whole thing and just
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: see what happens for this year and take this as
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: a for reset, your one of a rebuild. But if
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: you believe a little bit more in your team and
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: you think that you have a chance, again, like I
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: said earlier, instead of winning four or five games, Brendan Ayuk,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: we go through the whole domino effect that will now
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: you have a number one receiver and it makes number
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: two better and number three better, and all of a
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: sudden you think you can be a ten win team.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that you can be. But that's the
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: other side of it is, if you feel like you're
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: gonna outplay your expectations at that point where the draft
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: pick becomes the fifteenth pick in the draft instead of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: the fifth, if you had a left.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Tackle right now that you could depend on, would you
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: be more open to going after au Card?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: To me, it depends on what they feel like internally
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: about Drake May. If they feel like Drake maying play
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: week one, then I would go after Brandon. I you Card,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: because then you're really talking about maybe just having a
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: Texans like season.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where like if Houston did that Digs trade last year,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: do you think they'd regret it?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: No, but they didn't know, right, Well, but they.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: Didn't know, they didn't know. That's a good point.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's Christian is in LA. What's up? Christian?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 14: Hey you guys, Happy Tuesday to you, Thank you, and
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 14: I am back in it. Los Angeles and Pacific Palace
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 14: space overlooking Santa Monica's the beautiful.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Good for you hang out with Mike.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 14: So two quick comments, guys, and then a question. My
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 14: first comment is in hindsight, I have to change the
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 14: grade that I gave the draft from a B minus
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 14: to a C. Reason being is we knew we were
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 14: going to end up with a great quarterback between Daniels
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 14: or Or or Drake May at the top, and that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 14: we didn't do enough research with two high picks and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 14: the stuff to quit round to come out of there
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 14: and some other picks behind that that because of package,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 14: that we didn't come out with a good or great
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 14: or any tackle at all or great receiver.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Well what if Polk ends up being good?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 14: But we don't know that yet.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: But you're breaking up there, Santa Monica.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: That's that's tough, right. I let you go there, Christian,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Like I'm, you know, generally kind of like you know,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: you got to show me, you got to prove it.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: But like I find it hard to go from May first,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: I thought it was X and on July twenty fourth.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's why, like what happened between.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: I had trouble hearing, like what he was saying and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: what you were saying.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: He thought the draft was a B or a B
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: minus and now he thinks it's a C. Like they haven't.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: Well, but I think he was too you saying that,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: you know, like I think he said, like they didn't
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: do their research, they didn't understand I mean, I think
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: they understood the board. It's just that's how it felt like.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: It's that you can't get every guy you want, not
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: every team wants to make a deal. I'm sure they were,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: you know, active. We heard that they were trying to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: move around and get different guy.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: But what if Jalen Polk is better than.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Really personal?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: You know, I can't even think of all the guys
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: that went late in the first round, Xavior led xavierget
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: was the one I was thinking of because that's the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: guy I think the Patriots were trying to trade up together.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: What if Jalen Polk's a better player?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the biggest The second guesses are
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: did they could they have been more proactive with the board? Yeah,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: that's the same and I I and what were they
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: It felt like they drove a pretty hard bargain to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: make those trade ups that they were reportedly interested in making,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: to the point where did they haggle over like a
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty five fourth round pick and they just wouldn't
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: part with that pick. And now you have Jalen Polk
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: instead of Xavier Legett. And if Xavier la gets a
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: stunt and Jalen Polk isn't, then unfortunately.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: And it goes from a beatless seat like that that
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: I would totally understand, but we haven't seen anything.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they went they picked Jalen Polk in
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: a cluster of wide receivers that.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Went and like Leet went to the cheese right, No,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: the Panthers. Okay, who's the guy that's hooking up Worthy?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 14: Not?
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know he Xavier Worthy, Xavier Loguet, Lad
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: McConkie Keon Coleman, Jalen Polk. All these guys went in
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: like the span of ten picks.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: That's this year's version of Taekwon Thornton, Alec Pierce, George
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Pickens and the little guy from Kansas City Sky Moore.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, or Nikhil Harry a J Brown debo Sama Kerry McLaurin.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: So if this ends up being that they got Nikhil
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: Harry and you know, Xavier gets a J Brown, which
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: is a comp that a lot of people use for
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: Xavier Loget, ironically, then they screwed up.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: So what I would have you know, sort of second
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: guest is And we talked about this a lot heading
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: into the draft, the depth a receiver as opposed to tackle.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: I would have been more aggressive trying to move up
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: into the bottom of the first round to get a tackle,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: you know, a true left tackle, and worried about the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: receiver later and said, Okay, maybe I maybe I lose
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: out on Jalen Polk, but I can probably get a
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: receiver that I'm gonna feel okay about in the third round.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: When they got one in the fourth round that we're
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: all pretty excited about.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they probably you know, I think the biggest thing
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: with was left You said left tackle. Yeah, And a
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: lot of the players in this draft once you started
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: to get past that, Amarius Mims, like Tyler Geiton Wave,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: A lot of those guys were right tackles in college
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: or fringe starters, right. But you would have been talking
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: about moving up to like, you know, twenty like you
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: would have had to move. You would have had to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: jump teams in the early twenties. You know, for those
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: last couple of what of left tackle types, you know, Kingsley,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: Sue Mattia will be the second guest at tackle. They
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: could have moved up ten spots and jumped Kansas City
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: at the back end of the second round and taken
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: Sue Mattia, who apparently is getting some reps at left
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: tackle already in Chiefs camp. It's like day two of
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: Chiefs camp.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: Plug on, I sag Joe Tunian work out great.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: What interior line? Did you see those those positional rankings?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: I know that Humphrey, but all three of those Kansas
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: City guys were in the top ten of that. You
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: know it's Tony Humphreys, and I forget the other guy's name.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: You probably know will something right, No, I don't know, if.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: Not familiar. In other words, Kansas City has a good line.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know Wells, although they're better, they were better
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: last year. But when I come to.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: Go on, who is the right guard for the Chiefs.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: The left guard for the Chiefs is a pretty damn
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: good player. I don't know if you can for a
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: little bit, Actually, yeah, why can't we get plays?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Eric and Maryland writes in web radio at pages dot
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: com two questions. It may just be the typical internet
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: off season nonsense, but I've seen rumblings about possible expansion.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: If that were the case, what cities would you like
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: to see get a franchise. I imagine, yeah, I haven't
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: seen that. I imagine there would.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: Have to be uh, Saint Louis.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: I think San Antonio Austin maybe a logical choice. It's
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: the largest city without a football team, among other reasons.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: So where would you if you expanded? Where would you
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: like expansion?
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: Maybe Canada?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I think Toronto makes sense, but doesn't Buffalo have
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: a thing like you can't be that close or something
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: like that. Maybe once upon a time, Yeah, yeah, especially
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: now that they've just built twice Canada World.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: We're like looking at like Germany and Brazil South America.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Like, right, if you're going to go international with a team,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: you've got to come up with a whole division of teams.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: You can't just have one team in London. You got
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: to do that so they can play each other and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: then they go on the road.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: You know, I just think thirty he was such a
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: good number, like going back to the sixteen seventeen eighteen thing,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: like sixteen was a perfect number. Eighteen is better than seventeen,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: but just thirty two teams, it's just right. Conferences and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: divisions and four teams and it's just so neat and it.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: Just bugged me quarterbacks for thirty.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: I don't like the fact that four teams in the divisions,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: you only have to be one of the best one
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: of four. But me, I certainly wouldn't advocate adding, you know,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: eight teams.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: Right well, I was just getting at it with the talent.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: Is there enough quarterbacks? I mean, is it's just going
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: to be you know, to.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: Be the talent period, not even just cool. I mean,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks is obviously the high profile, but it just to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: start enough left tackles either, Yeah.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: There's not enough tackles. There's not enough quarterbacks. And now
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: we're already watching a lot of bad quarterback play. Once
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: we get into the season and people get hurt and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: things like that. Now you're gonna add two more teams,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: it's going to be even more bad.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's Saint Louis is the is the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: market that everybody seems to think is so unfair that
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: they lost the you know.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: But it's just but it makes me think that what
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: it's the next frontier though, because there's not going to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: be an end to this. They're going to get to
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: eighteen games, they're going to get to having teams around,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: you know, not teams around the world playing games around
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: the world.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: But I have no interest whatsoever in international teams. If
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: that happened, if if there's like a European division, like
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: I'm ouse.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Well what if? What if? What if they looked at
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: the bottom four performing teams revenue? Why like jackson You know,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: now Jacksonville's building a new stadium too. But let's just
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: say four teams picked up and left and became those
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: international teams. Would that be okay? It's still thirty two too.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't like it. No, it has nothing to do
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: if you want to make more teams, I'd rather have
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: that than the international.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: But I get the point about the talent tool too.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: I took a thousand percent right about the talent, but
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: I just don't like the idea of I just think
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: it's so greedy.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's and that's what you get at. It's like,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: you get eighteen games, what's next? You know, every it's
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: just what's next? How can we can? You know?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: It just feels like they're doing so many things to
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: threaten the product on the field, right, Like the product
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: on the field some Sundays is already kind of bad.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: And and now they're just an extra game, an extra team,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: like they're just.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: Doing things and Christmas Day like that, all of those
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: little things pick away. I mean to me, at the town,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: at the level of the product.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe this is a bad comparison, but do you feel
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: like baseball didn't change anything? And that's a bad way
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: to go, like because they for the longest time, the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: game just became stale. It became long. They had to
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: introduce they had to change the game because people were
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: falling out of it.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Were they too slow?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like were they too slow? But at the same time,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: sometimes I think we all feel the NFL is a
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: little too fast where it's like, no, this is like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: you got something good going right here, Like it's a
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: good game, it's competitive, you know.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: But they changed the rules all the time. The NFL
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: does it a lot. Some of them. We sit here
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: and we talk about, oh, that was a really smart thing,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: you know, like why shouldn't you have an extra challenge
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: if you're right, you know, those kinds of things, and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: then someone that we criticize, I think those things are fine,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: but when you start, you know, I think when you're
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: playing more games and more countries more, you know, like
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. I think is when you're really
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: testing the thing backfire.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Second question for me American Maryland is for Matt, what
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: is marine's favorite flavor crayon? Like, do you have what
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: you have?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: Little kids?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: What's your favorite color crayon?
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: It's a very funny marine joke.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I can't hear you, Mango. What do you say?
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: That's a very funny marine joke. Oh, it's a marine
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 7: joke that marines eight croyons because we're idiots.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: What do you say?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: Marines?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: Marines apparently eat crayons because we're not the smartest. We're
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: in better shape than the army, so we running.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: I would get like eating those markers that smell like
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: when you're a kid, like I would maybe would take
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: a bite.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: I don't want to.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: Only only the army would make that.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: I don't care for that joke they got this is.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: America something that's rude.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: If you happen to see any Oh, I'm sorry.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Was more than yeah. He also says bring back to
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: silver pants, which I agree, it's a popular sentiment, and
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: get rid of the blue pants. Bring back to silver pants.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: It's an easy fixes everybody does.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: Everybody hate the blue pants because they don't win in.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: Them, because they don't has nothing to do with the
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: blue one blue.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: I don't want blue.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: The blueberry look is awful.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: To much blue.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: It's tough.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind the white and blue. No, but
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: I don't like the blue one blue. So when you're
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: wearing the blue shirts, you should have the silver pants, agreed.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: I just I still feel like I'm waiting for the
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: Dynasty uniforms to come back, march back out of that tunnel.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: Like I still feel like I'm watching like a weird
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: like Patriots exhibition game where they're wearing the wrong you know,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: like when are we going to just get back to
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: like the Patriots that I got to know that.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: Particular evoke their uniforms.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: You don't like those ones, no, because they want too
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: much on them.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: No, obviously I would go back to those for that reason. No,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: But in all seriousness, I always found it an odd
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: choice to have that much success and change your uniform.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: The teams that changed the uniforms are looking generally for
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: a change of direction. I said, new era or money, right,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean when parcels came in in ninety three.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: It was like a fresh start, like new you know,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: like new coach comes in, We're going to change our
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: entire color scheme. They that's when they went from the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: red to the blue. Initially, that made sense to me.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: It was a new era. You were in the bottom
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: of the league. This is the brand change, this is
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: the time you do it. The Patriots had the best
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: twenty years stretch in the history of professional sports and
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: decided to change their uniforms. But it made no sense
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: to me. I'm hoping, no offense. It's like San Francisco though, no,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: I mean like above, no.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: Remember with San Francisco, they like did all of a
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: sudden they got like three D numbers and they started
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: messing with it. It's like San Francisco, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Green Bay.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: These are the dynasties of the NFL. And when you
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: see those teams on the league, you don't even need
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: to look at who it is. You know exactly who
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: it is. And I don't feel like that with the
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: Patriots anymore. I feel like, like you said, Paul, they you.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: Know, rebranded when just because I didn't particularly love the uniforms.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Look what they did in those uniforms. You know, they
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: got twenty years of dominance right again.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: And I just will put it back to as a
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: fan the visual of the feeling of those uniforms that like,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: this is the these are Patriots.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: The red, white, and blue the late seventies when you
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: red pants with the white.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: Shirts and would like that's for you.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, and but for a lot
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: of fans who watched the Dynasty and we're sot, you know,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: like I don't know, I still feel like I'm waiting
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: to watch never wanted them.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: All the jersey stuff is all about money, and it's
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: all because they reprint the jerseys and now you have
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: to buy the new jersey. And like the Bruins have
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: like ten different kits.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: If they want to Drake made Dynasty jersey in that
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: pro shop right now, the thing would sell like hot.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: And then the Dynasty jersey now there.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: Now the Bruins are going back to the original Bruins uniform.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: So if you bought the centennial one, now it's that's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: all going back. The Celtics are adding jersey like that's
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: what all these teams do they the NBA. You're right,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: it's it's all about money, Yeah, because you have to
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: buy the new jersey.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: But the NBA teams they all have like eight combinations
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: now I know.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the Celtics have the City connector Red Sox
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: with the City Connect jerseys.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: Like it's all about at least the Bruins like it was.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: They were celebrating a centennial, so it was a special
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: uniform for the one hundredth year. Like even though I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: didn't like them, I got what they were.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: I didn't want too many arms.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: Saw the whole thing together, like the top and the
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: bottom together on a player.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: It's the best uniform in the four major sports.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: Celtics green white.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, you're wrong, that's okay.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, we couldn't say that, but.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: You hear the objective.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: I really really like the Red Sox road uniforms. Now, okay,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: the gray with the red you know and the names
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: in the back.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: What about the Cardinals white with the best uniforms in sports.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: I've never been like a lot of people will do
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: what what Deuce just did, and like, oh the Raiders
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Classic the Colts class never did anything for me.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: No, I like the Raiders uniforms and I'm upset about that.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know who I would pick. Yeah, I kind
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: of like the Dolphins hawkwamarine uniforms.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand how men fawn over the powder
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: blue of the Chargers.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: You know what a nice man.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: I like the powder blue.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: I liked the when they used to wear the yellow pants.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: Pretty much anything in the seventies answer seventies I likedies.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: I think the seventies should have. That was the Cleveland
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: Browns with the brown uniforms with the orange pants.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, oh, some of the baseball uniforms of the seventies,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: like the Padres. Oh man, the Pirates.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: Astros, you like that stuff. So I did like the color.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: But you know one look I didn't like from that era,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: the old box hat that like the pill whatever what
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: do they call that? The hats? So the Pirates had them,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals had them.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate that.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: I just I didn't like the look of those hats.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: I hated him.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: And we got them for c Yo one year.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't wear it, No, you slammed down the sub.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: You had to wear it. But I always looked funny
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: on my head.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: Well, hats am I misthinking? Like I remember having a
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: red Sox painter cap and everybody had those. They were like.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Records pins caps. They got huge in like the late
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: seventies early eighties, but they were like they were boxy,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: like they had like the stripes around the side. There
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: were real baseball hats, but they had like a flat top.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Look at them.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not good.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh, Saint Louis, who else? Someone else had them too.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: It was like three teams. Yeah, I can't think now.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: I've been meaning to read this email for a while,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: he wrote in a couple of times. Jay Lassard, he's
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: president of the Tampa, New England Patriots Fan Club, and
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: he says that with it being the off season and
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: training camp, I thought it was the perfect time to
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: see if you could take a moment to talk about
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: all the amazing fan clubs we have across the United
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: States in the world. I can attest that attending Patriots
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: watch party hosted by a local group is the most
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: fun you can have on a Sunday if you happen
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: to be a fan living outside the New England region.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 9: What he.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: Just leaves when we're talking about the fan club to
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: fix it and then he knocks the camera.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Anyway, you got the back of friend's head.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: Now screw the fans.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: He says, it's great to be in a watch party
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: hosted by a fan club. I can also tell you that, unfortunately,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of the Patriots fans spread across the States
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: are completely unaware that these fan clubs exist. The Patriots
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: do a great job with their fanclub registrant Patriots dot com,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: but the more we can educate Patriots Nation on the
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: fact that these clubs exist, the better. I urge all
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: listeners to look up a local fan club in your
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: city and to attend to watch party. There's truly nothing better.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Fan clubs like us here in Tampa, Nashville, Cincinnati, Atlanta, Santa, Monica, Dallas,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: and Moore are all doing a fantastic job and their
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: work should be recognized. Degree Jay. On Patriots dot com,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: if you go into the fan Zone section, there's a
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: fan club registry. You type in wherever you are or
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: wherever you want to be, and it'll just list all
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: the fan clubs in that area and you can get
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: in contact with them if you happen to be in
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: the area or traveling, find out where they're having their
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: watch parties on Sunday and you can join it. If
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: you want to start a fan club, you can go
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: there and register a new fan club. You can join
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: a fan club. So it is something that we the
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Patriots should do more to promote, is that registry and
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: all our fan clubs. But he's right, and it's not
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: just here in the States. It's everywhere in the world.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: We saw in Germany, yeah, Germany, now in Brazil, you know, UK,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: we're going to be in London. We'll probably do something
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: with the UK Patriots when we're there. But he's right.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: If you're really looking for a cool thing to do
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: on a Sunday, go to a fan club watch party.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: And I've been there when we're on the road. I
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: often go, not for the watch party, but the night before.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: They usually have something and they're always a blast. It's
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: all Patriots fans and they're having a good time. Yeah.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: I've actually been to Sonny McLean's in Santa Monica with
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: the Patriots fan club out there when I was living
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: out there and I worked a lot during Patriots games.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: But it was a primetime Thursday night or something like
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: that that I got to go and it was it
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: fell like home, you know. You get to go and
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: it fell just great to be around other Patriots fans
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: three thousand miles away from where the game was happening,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: and it didn't feel like you were just on an
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: island watching the game by yourself at home and no
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: one else around you cares because no one else is Patriots.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Did you do that too great?
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: Did you used to go to yeah?
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Bars?
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Now it strikes me as I can't go
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: to a bar.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: I need to know, well, this was old, dude, This
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: wasn't quite like I need to focus there, Definitely, I
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: need to focus now. But when I first moved out there,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: it was just it's like walking into home, like all
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know, and it's just the whole vibe.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: And I mean you saw joy it there like shorts,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: but you know, just old Patriots jerseys, you know, even
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: like the old old old ones. You know, there was
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: a whole like politics to Sonny McLean, so like you know,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: there's certain people had to sit in certain places. I
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: might have told the story before, but there was always
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: a guy like his thing was after Patriots first down.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: He would be the delayed first down. So in the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: whole bar would be like another Patriots first first down
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: and then first down like he was the delayed first
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: down guy, like that was his whole thing. You know
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: that these are the characters at this thing. Guy donated
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: free stuff. They do a halftime free raffle. I still
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: have a mug that, you know, Patriot.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: I try to understand you.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: It's it's a lot of fun.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of them do like community work
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: and they they they do stuff and they make donations
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: to local charities. So it's good. So again, Patriots dot
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: Com fans oone section. Then go to the registry and
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: it's pretty easy to navigate. You can figure it out
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: on your own. But join a club, you know, buy
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: us star a new club, just visit on what on
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: a game day. It's it's it's a good time.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: So you know what tomorrow is first day training cam. Yeah,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: and that's the Running of the Jewets. Oh really, what's
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: that first edition? There'll be thirteen of them. It's when Sully,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: Obie and and and everybody comes running in to get
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: to when the gates, when the gates open at ten am.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: The Running of the Jewets.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Get the best seat.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: You've got to get the best seat.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the way you could get run over just like
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: the running of the bulls.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: Well, it's good now that these these kiss these days
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: don't even know because these practices are at eleven now
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: when were they were at nine?
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, you had a responsibility.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: You had to be up at six, you had to
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: be there by you know, this was the Brady years too.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: So we're talking about, you know, ten thousand people coming
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: to the training camp practices, and it was it was mayhem,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: it was ever where.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: You were if you were in LA because you ended
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: up on the ramps.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, every man for himself out there pushing her down.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: So the weather's okay, Like it's just like, you know,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: I don't want it to be all rainy.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Crappy day, Matt writes in in his subject line, is
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Evan is being a bad nerd?
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: Yep? Evan has repeatedly stated that the Patriots offensive line
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: was the worst in the NFL, often signing one stat
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: I have two problems with this. ESPN win rates state
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: that they're dead last for past blocking but ranked tenth
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: in the NFL for run blocking.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: That's what we've been saying.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: This would mean their line is better than some other
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: lines overall. Even if ranking worse with pass blocking some teams,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: like the Jets ranked thirtieth and PBWR and twenty eighth
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: in RBWR. The Pats line is better and two.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: So why are the Jets running games so much better
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: than the Patriots running game?
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Then exactly the Patriots added to their offensive line. If
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: Evan is going to live by this statistic to the
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: point of advocating for Drake may to sit because of it,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: it seems disingenuous to not note that they signed an
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: offensive tackle that ranked twelfth Monk twelve a monk all
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: tackles in ESPN, PB w R the same stat.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: Just out of curiosity, Like why is this an Evan thing?
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: Like I am I the only one that's saying this, Yes,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: and so I'm confused.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: I don't really care what the rankings say. So we're
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: talking about signing a corps for is that what that's
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: supposed to be? Say, he's twelve. He was so good
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: that he got benched for a rookie who never played
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: on the right side.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: Well on the right he did sound off at the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: coaching staff. Yeah, Like, but I'm also the only one
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: that is saying that the offensive line is a concern
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: that Drake may might not be best. Throw him out there.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: I'm the only one.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: I don't really care about them. The drake made part
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: of the offensive line, but to suggest that the offensive
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: line is not a concern the way that article did
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: that Mike read, and I was glad to hear Aaron
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: sort of separate himself from that. Yeah, you're just like
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: whistling past the graveyard.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: Well, Rusty in Arlin as the other side of us,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: he says, I really think we're whistling past the graveyard
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: on the offensive line, particularly that they lost their best
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: guy and still seem ambivalent on whether the next best
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: guy should play an important position that basically sunk them
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: last season, right tackle or guard, when they spent like
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: four picks on guards the last three drafts. Fred, I
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: hate to go after you, but I remember correctly you
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: said the offensive line wasn't a disaster last year. I
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: strongly disagree, especially when when you was at was at
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: locking down that guard position they're so worried about. Then
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: it got better when someone figured out maybe low giving
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: up pressure every play is an issue. I'm all for
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: starting rookie quarterbacks, but if their plan is to basically
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: put out junk at both tackles. They need to see
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: how bad it is first. May can't learn anything getting
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: hit one point five seconds after each snap. After we
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: enter the training camp, I will be closely following where
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: and when you plays. Least, tell me what I got
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: wrong on why the line was so poor last year,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: because I think it was mostly the tackles. They get
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: paid the most and drafted the highest for a reason.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: The only improvement is that Penn Steak guy, if the
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Penn State guy can actually play well.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: Also coaching, I as much as I agree with the
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: ninety percent of what the emails said in terms of
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: the talent being more important, you are hoping and hoping
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: that Scott Peters and Alex van Pelt and their staff
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: now is going to have it more together than what
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: was behind the scenes a disaster with Adrian Clem last year.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: Like hopefully that all is buttoned up and they're better,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: more cohesive unit and they played maybe above their talent
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: level a little bit on the line. You know, that's
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: the other side of hope.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: That's kind of what I'm hoping for, And I like,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: I just I don't know why. I just kind of
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: feel like I'm just like, I know it's a concern,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: and it's definitely an issue with left tackle, and there
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: are big questions, But I just I still think that
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: they'll be okay. They'll be okay at line. It won't
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: be so bad that it's going to completely torpedo their
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: whole offense. Will it be a reason why they win
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of games. I'm not expecting that. But I
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: have more confidence in the line being able to somehow
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: pull it together than I don't have that confidence in
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: the receiver corps. Like I don't think that they're going
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: to be talented enough to be make a difference. But
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: I think when we saw plenty offensive lines over twenty
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: years here that we're not loaded with stars that did fine.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: You know, I think that they can be fine. And
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: I just that's the voice on the back of my
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: head and we get so, oh my god, it's gonna
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: I just I can't see it destroying everything. Maybe I'm wrong,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: maybe I'm not Tom Brady, No go.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: I go on on both sides of this equation. I
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: don't think last year was solely because of the offensive
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: line was bad. I do think the offensive line was bad,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: and I don't think it'll be much better this year.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: I think that the guards last year again according to
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: these numbers. And you know, we started off we're talking
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: a lot about why the Patriots are going to be
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: better than people thought, but based on numbers, so we're
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: talking about the same thing. Strange and so were I
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: want to say, fifty eighth and sixty one out of
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: sixty four qualifying guards last year in pass blocking, Like
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: the line is a problem. It was a problem last year.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: And there's guys that we don't know about where they.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: They should look worse, a little worse than they really
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: are because of what was going on overall.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: With That's what you have to hope, I know, is
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: what Evan talked about right off the top of his segment.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: You have to hope. You can't just go by the numbers,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: but you have to go by you have to hope
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: that Scott Peters is better. Well, you know, we're putting
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: our eggs in a in a first time basket in
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of places. That's true, Like there's a lot
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: of newness and we're just assuming it's going to be better,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Which is why I asked Aaron the question that I
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: asked him, Why are we assuming it's going to be better,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: Like he went to Great Lanes to explain how he
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: assigns the greatest value for a lost coach that they
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: ever have in losing Bill Belichick on defense, but didn't
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: take away anything from the offense based on the fact
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: that everybody's in a new spot, Like why is it
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: going to be better? Why are we assuming it's going
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: to be better? Because Mac Jones was the Antichrist evidently
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: last year.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Because and he was terrible. Don't know, because it was
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: so bad.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: But like, listen, I have been very critical of Mac
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: Jones for three years. I'm not going to pretend that
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: didn't happen.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: Mac Jones was the biggest reason why the offense could
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: not move the ball last year. And that's what I'm
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: saying is not the offensive line, but Mac Jones.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: And could he have made the offensive line look a
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: little worse.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: Than it And maybe Brissett will make that line look better.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think Jones made the line look worse than
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: it was. I think Jones couldn't handle it. Maybe Brissette
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: will be able to handle it, do you know what
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: They're also going to be different on first and second
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: down and you hope some of the schematic things that
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: they're going to do are going to make it easier
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: to protect, make it easier on the quarterback to get
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: the ball by moving the pocket, by changing the point
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: of attack, boot legs, that sort of stuff like That's
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: the all idea of this scheme is we're actually gonna
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: block you by just like the flow of the people
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: on the field. You're all gonna be running one direction.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: Then we're gonna bootleg them out the other way, and
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: your pass rushers now have to put their foot in
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: the ground, change direction, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: And compare that to what Kendrick boorm was talking about
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: with the Matt Patricia scheme, where like that is gonna
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: make the offensive line look work. There is no scheme,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: There is no It is not all connected. You know,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: these guys are just and teams seem like they knew
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: what were coming to so I can't extract those things.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: I'm not assuming anything with this team. I'm not gonna
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: assume anything is good this year. But there are certain
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: things that I'm gonna choose to worry about and choose
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: not to worry about. And for some reason, maybe it's
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: just me, but the offensive line. I don't think will
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: be the how this team winsor loses this year. It's
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: they're gonna be fine.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: I think Martin in London fine, Martin and London right,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: sin He says, would you all be interested in joining
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: a PU listeners fantasy football league?
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: No, okay, I mean I would agree.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: I'm speaking for myself, but anyone.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: I don't do fantasy anymore.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: I do one league.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 5: I used to do a bunch of leagues, especially now
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: that you like we work, it's so hard to.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: Keep up when I've lost.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: I do one league.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I had. I did it for a while with
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: a buddy at partner and he was like, way morning.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, he'd be like, we got to come over
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: and do research. I'm like, dude, can we just make
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: through the draft?
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: Like? I don't like when when it stops being fun,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: know right, and you're like, oh, I actually trying, it's
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: not fun.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: There are just sundays now even I actually last year
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: I gave just my password and said, like if I have, like,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: I scratched a lot, you know, because I were working,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: Like I can't be tinkering my fantasy lineup. Out twelve
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: fifty three on a Sunday.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: And the game starts tweaking act.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: I'm like, if somebody's like inactive in my lineup, just
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: like go in and change it, Like, yeah, I can't
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: Did she do it? Okay?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: Actually won our league?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: So who knows what they're doing.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Jordan is in Hawaii. Uh, one question from him? Who
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: stands to have the most to lose in the most
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: to gain from this training camp?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: Drake Man, I don't know. I don't know if that's right.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: That's the first thing came to my most.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Juju.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't feel like you.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: Want to win? Was the game?
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: I mean it's I don't know. I mean I could
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: see Juju playing to not playing it, like to being cut.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. Maybe it's him because.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Oh it's we're looking for one player most, because that
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: would be a good.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: That's what I thought, most to lose their most.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: Again, we're looking for like who has can you name
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: a player who has the most a game, which I
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: would say Drake may was probably in that most to lose,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: but both guys like being the same guy. Juju is
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: a good pick, Mike because I could see him being
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: sort of a regular player you know, maybe the third
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: receiver for what the receiver or not on the team, right.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, That's why I don't put Drake May in
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: that category.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: Because he's no, I don't know, if you he's on
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: one guy, I would agree, Yeah, I think Jujus. The
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: worst that's going to happen to Drake May is you
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: going to spend the year as a backup.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: Right right, But I think Juju is a good one
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: for that good candidate for that category most.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: Of although he goes to gain and lose, you know,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: for camp we're talking about, he just can't just not
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: like May, You got to play a couple of games
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: and really look bad, like I just.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Can't lose, just can't we're talking about.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's really kind of the bubble guys. I
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: would think too that you're you know, kind of that
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: are procolating in your head. I just don't. I mean,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: you did the you did a ry rejection. Do you
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: want to do you want to pitch out of it?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: Chad Island, I didn't get out of the league or
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: the you know, the kicker for the next.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: Ten years we saw mini camp. I mean it looks next.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: And I didn't have really anything out of the ordinary.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: But but you have trouble. I mean, we all have
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: trouble come up with fifty three. There's not a lot
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: of real bubble guys.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: My initial my initial roster when I added him up
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: was fifty one players.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like cornerbacks like Marco Wilson, like those guys, you know.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I could make it like those I could interchange,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: you know, like you could tell me that Juju's in
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: and Taekwan Thornton's out. You could switch them ragers in,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: like you could tell me on the on the tackles,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: like Tyrone Wheatley in or Calvin Anderson out, or the
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: other way around. Vaderian Low.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know, good Tyroneheeley reference. Oh no, it actually
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: is the Tyrone wheel. I was thinking of Terrence Wheet.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: I think the other the old cornerback.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: Yeahs, I see, you're not the first person that's told
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: me that they have a tough time getting to fifty three.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: Right now, I guess I do it the wrong way.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: I don't know's I'm always like, yeah, so did I
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: but in my first one. But I just I feel
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: like I I might think about it the reverse. I mean,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: this is doesn't matter. But it just like you like
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: add up right to fifty three, where as I go
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: from ninety and subtra fifty three, So like you're always
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: at like fifty five fifty six, and you're like to
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: your point. It could be Tyrone Wheatley, or it could
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: be Vederian Low And now I have to decide, you know.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: And I picked some extra offensive lineman because of that uncertainty,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: you know, And I think Strange will be on pup,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: so I still pick ten offensive linemen. They won't have
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: ten offensive linemen on the active roster all year. Yeah,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: we might guess. You know, some guys on the practice squad.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: Some of those you know, Jake Andrews, I don't know,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: like I haven't. I don't know where he factors in.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: We didn't see him on the spring, right, It's gonna
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: be interesting to see some of those guys, even all
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: the way down to like a Marte Mapu, that were
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: drafted by the old regime, with plans in mind that
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: Bill Belichick probably had for some of these players that
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: now all of a sudden, like a Marte Mapu, Well,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: Kyle Dugger is here now, any that opportunity is not
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: going to be there for him. You know, David Andrews,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: he came back for another year. So now Jake Andrews
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: were two years into waiting in the wings to be
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 5: the next center. Like these types of guys, at what
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: point Antonio Maffi certainly not drafted to play in a
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: wide zone system, Like he's at three hundred and forty guard,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: you're not gonna ask him to block outside zone. So
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: like some of these guys that were drafted recently, that
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: Bill probably had one thing in mind, and now they
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: these coaches have another thing in mind. It'd be interesting
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: to see where those guys fall.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Let's see who's this.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: I just say, well, friend's doing this. Just to add
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: that point, I'm interested next year too, Like how do
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: they start to evolve on defense? They get away from
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: Bill for year, they learn what they're good at, what
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: they maybe aren't good at, and they're like, we can't
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: run for safeties out like we need to get more
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: conventional things like that.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: Recently with all the Ayuk potential hype and people saying
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: Polk is just a wide receiver too, like Meyers or
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: Tyler Boyd and that Jvon Baker and Bourn get more praise.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: To be the guy. I can't help but feel like
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: he's not getting Polk. He's talking about getting the excitement
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: he should be getting, especially if we believe Drake May
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: is the guy, which I do, and the connection they
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: seem to have built together. He compares Poke's senior year
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: excuse me, pokes senior year in college stats are nearly
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: identical Tayuk, with him being the number two and Ayuk
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: the number one, as well as combine numbers are very similar.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: I don't so I'm not gonna so you don't give
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: Ayuk more credit for doing it as the number one, right.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: The other guy doing is another guy on the other
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: side of Roma Dunz.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know why Pok is getting the treatment. He's
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: only at wide receiver too, because he was in college.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: When we see plenty of schools have multiple number one
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: wide receivers like Ohio State, LSU and.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: You know what, he was actually Washington's three, right.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: And even Old Miss had a J. Brown and DK Metcalf.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: This leads further. This led to further research on the
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl wide receivers and how Pope compares with combine metrics.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: So he's he gets into the whole yeah, so, I
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: mean the stats he thinks Poks should be getting more credit.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: Sure, the raw stats though, are not apples to apples
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: because that Washington offense through the ball like eight hundred times,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: and it's it's just total different, Like you can't really
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: do that as much in college. That's why for the
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: most part when it comes to the draft, I don't
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: even look at their box score production for ninety percent
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: of the guys, Like, I don't care. It doesn't really
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 5: make a difference because it's not translatable all the time
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: to what you're gonna be doing in the pros. The
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: offense that they are running in Washington is its own thing,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: Like it's it's a very unique offense the way that
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: they play, and they they do not run the ball.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: They throw. They must have threw the ball six hundred
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: and fifty times in thirteen games last year. So they
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: are just all their receivers produced. And that Washington offense
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: from a Duneesay to McMillan to.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: Polk and he shot up when McMillan was out. Yeah,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: when McMillan came back, his production tailed off. It's now
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: did become a lesser player, right, No, he was behind
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: two other guys.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: Right, But that's good that you know his production went up, right.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: But again, given the I think that the analogy without
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: you is kind of foolish. Like one guy did it
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: as the man, the other guy did it as the
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: other guy. Like this is a big difference.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: Tonference yea, Nate is in Connecticut and he's thirteen.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: And by the way, if he turns out to be
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: Tyler Boyd, I'd be thrilled. Tyler Boyd's a really good player.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: He wants to know will Marty Mapoo step up? He
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: had a little playing time under Bill Belichick, but I
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: think he will be out there more under Mayo, considering
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: Mayo is a player's coach, and maybe he'll get more
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: reps at linebacker. So what do you think about Marty
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: Mapoo's role on the team.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I was just hinting at that it's
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: an unknown because I'm pretty certain that they had plans
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: of him taking over for Kyle Dugger. If not this year,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: then maybe Dugger plays one year on the franchise tag
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: and then they transition. I just can't imagine that Bill
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: would have given Kyle Dugger the contract that this group
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 5: gave him in free agency, So they drafted Martin Mapoo
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 5: to play that role, and now that he's blocked, like
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: that role doesn't exist, So does his role change and
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 5: does he become a linebackers he become a nickel, Like,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: does he go into a different role so that they
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: can get all of them on the field or is
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: he just kind of the odd man out and is
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: a special teamer.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: And Jalen Hawkins push him kind of out of that
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: top three, he's not really you know, I I mean,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: I honestly, I don't. I don't want to wish this
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: on either of our starting safeties, but I feel like
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: it might take an injury for him to like get
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: in there, really get some playing time, playing, you know,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: do what they really should be doing with him. But
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: I think Hawkins is gonna be a factor.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I been your guy. J'arial Peppers is a free
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: agent at the end of the year. Is he another
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: guy that they're going to extend? Are they going to
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 5: keep him around? Maybe we're talking about martem Apu being
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: a starter in twenty twenty six or twenty twenty five,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: whenever the heck it is, and that that's the way
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: it goes. But as of right now, is they they're
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: gonna play three box safeties like all oncen't.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: Do much linebacker stuff in the spring, right No, And
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: I'm I mean certainly not the practices.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: It's just like I just like people get so old
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: and it's like it's like it goes back to three
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: four four three debate, which like made me lose my eyes.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: It's like he's not playing in a three four defense
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: like weak side linebacker inside, Like that's not like not
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: that linebacker. He will play sub package. He will play
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: on the second level a linebacker. But it's just to me,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: it's like a role in the conference continually have about
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: him playing linebacker. It's like it's not that much different
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: than just playing safe.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: By my concern with him would be is he has
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: some versatility, but might not be good enough at one thing.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: That would be my concern because he didn't I mean,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: he played a little bit last year. He didn't like
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: he wasn't a non factor, but he didn't really tall
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: stand out.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: He's got a little bit of a different flare to
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: him that maybe could be useful in a cover situation.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: And I don't really understand what the whole coach players coach.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why that helps you get playing.
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  Speaker 5: That's where I would say is the best that he
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  Speaker 5: played last year on film was covering tight ends. And
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  Speaker 5: then if you do get into zone, he has a
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  Speaker 5: lot of range at that zone spot and the nickel to.
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  Speaker 3: Be able to do some different He can run and.
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  Speaker 5: He had some good tape on man coverage against tight ends.
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  Speaker 5: But now you're talking about him being a third safety
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  Speaker 5: that's coming into cover tight ends like that's a very
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  Speaker 5: specific package that they have to be in. It's a
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  Speaker 5: dime package probably where you're talking about ten percent of
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  Speaker 5: the snaps overall of him being on the field in
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  Speaker 5: that type of look.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, just one last point on this. I mean
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  Speaker 4: Pepper's last year. I love the guy, but maybe you know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe they do groom Mapu to kind of step into
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  Speaker 4: that role next year if Pepper's falls off or they don't,
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  Speaker 4: you want to Keephi around.
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