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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And The Weird Interactions Before The Murders (8/31/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Recently
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Speaker 1: we were talking about information that was released on the
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Speaker 1: Dateline program about Brian Koberger and a female colleague and
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Speaker 1: how he allegedly broke into that female colleague's apartment where
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Speaker 1: it's alleged that he installed surveillance cameras that he had
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Speaker 1: remote access to from his own house. Well, now we're
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Speaker 1: learning a little bit more about that incident and a
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Speaker 1: few others. So today we have an article from Fox
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Speaker 1: News and we're going to dive right in and get updated.
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Speaker 1: So headline, Idaho murder suspect Brian Kohlberger allegedly stalked another
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Speaker 1: female student months before the massacre. Another woman in the
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Speaker 1: area also reported odd underwear incident to the police who
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Speaker 1: apparently chalked it up to car vandals. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by Michael Ruiz. Brian Kohlberger allegedly stalked a female
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Speaker 1: classmate at Washington State University months before he would be
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Speaker 1: accused of killing four undergrads at the neighboring University of Idaho,
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Speaker 1: according to a new report. It was an apparent ruse
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Speaker 1: that ended with Kohlberger installing surveillance cameras in the woman's home,
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Speaker 1: which he could then access at will. Talk about creepy creeperton.
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Speaker 1: And for this woman, imagine later on down the road,
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Speaker 1: you find out that the guy you called to come
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Speaker 1: over and help you out with your surveillance cameras and
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Speaker 1: your security ends up being a man accused of a
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Speaker 1: quadruple homicide. Talk about chilling. I was surprised to learn
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Speaker 1: more details about the alleged break-in and camera installation. Kerry Rawson,
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Speaker 1: the daughter of serial killer Dennis Rader, told Fox News Digital.
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Speaker 1: If it's true, and Brian was involved, then it's really
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Speaker 1: a sign of escalation and another potential nail in his guilt,
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Speaker 1: said Rawson, now a victim's advocate who appeared in the
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Speaker 1: NBC report on Friday. And there's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: All of these little things that we keep talking about,
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Speaker 1: they all add up. And when they get in front
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Speaker 1: of a jury and they're all put together on a
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Speaker 1: spreadsheet or a slideshow or however they decide that they're
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Speaker 1: going to present it, then it's going to be very,
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Speaker 1: very difficult for Brian Kohlberger and his legal team to
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Speaker 1: navigate the pitfalls of what's coming their way. The report
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Speaker 1: also detailed a bizarre incident involving a woman's underwear just
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Speaker 1: three doors down from the King Road home months before
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Speaker 1: the murders. In the most ominous claim, it was suggested
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger's immediate family feared he might be the suspect as
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Speaker 1: they gathered for the holidays. And we talked about that
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Speaker 1: In a previous episode. And there's no doubt that's damning.
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Speaker 1: Imagine you come home from school. And these murders occurred
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Speaker 1: like 15 miles from your house. And your sister has
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Speaker 1: that kind of question. And not just a question remember.
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Speaker 1: She took it to the length of going out to
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Speaker 1: the white Hyundai Elantra. And looking for evidence herself. So
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Speaker 1: if that's not damning. I don't know what is. When
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Speaker 1: the people that know you the best. Think you're capable
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Speaker 1: of something like this. Oh you better believe. I'm sitting
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Speaker 1: up in my chair and taking notice. The suspicions ended
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Speaker 1: in a pre-dawn raid on December 30th, 2022, when Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: was arrested for the murders of Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. Home security cameras. A female
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Speaker 1: friend Kohlberger met last fall at Washington State University in
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Speaker 1: his criminology program, reportedly came home to find her belongings
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Speaker 1: shuffled out of place. Nothing was stolen, according to NBC sources,
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Speaker 1: so she didn't report it to the police. Instead, she
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Speaker 1: asked Kohlberger, who previously worked as a security guard and
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Speaker 1: already had a master's degree in criminal justice, to set
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Speaker 1: up a home surveillance system. Talk about letting the fox
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Speaker 1: into the chicken coop. And if this story is true,
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Speaker 1: which I have no doubt that it is, then it
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Speaker 1: certainly does show a sign of progression with Brian Kohlberger. Afterward,
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Speaker 1: according to an unnamed security source cited by Dateline, Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: could access the cameras any time he was within the
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Speaker 1: woman's Wi-Fi range. Kohlberger, while obtaining a master's degree in
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Speaker 1: criminal justice from DeSalus University, studied under Dr. Catherine Ramsland,
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Speaker 1: an expert on serial killers, mass murderers, and Rawson's father,
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Speaker 1: also known as BTK, for buying, torture, and killing. Like Kohlberger,
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Speaker 1: Rader also studied criminal justice. He eventually found work for ADT,
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Speaker 1: the security company, installing home security systems. I believe if
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger did break into a young woman's home and then
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Speaker 1: offer to install a security system and cameras, then access
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Speaker 1: the password as Dateline reports, it's a sign of escalation
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Speaker 1: and further descent along the scale of deviation. Another overlapping
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Speaker 1: similarity to my father. a sexual sadistic psychopath, Rawson said.
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Speaker 1: And there are some similarities with Brian Kohlberger and the BTK.
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Speaker 1: We have the Catherine Ramsland connection, which is rather obvious.
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Speaker 1: And then also remember, the first murders that were committed
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Speaker 1: by BTK, it was four people that he murdered as well.
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Speaker 1: Ted Williams, a lawyer and former homicide detective, told Fox
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Speaker 1: News Digital that the report is alarming, but that he
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Speaker 1: believes the case hinges on DNA evidence. Kohlberger's phone pings
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Speaker 1: and whatever evidence police were able to collect after they
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Speaker 1: seized the suspect's vehicle at his parents' house in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: Of course it does. That's obvious. That is the glue
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Speaker 1: that is going to bind everything together, meaning the DNA evidence.
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Speaker 1: But all of the other stuff, all of this little
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Speaker 1: information we're learning about who Kohlberger was and what he
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Speaker 1: was up to, That all goes towards building the profile.
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Speaker 1: That all goes towards building the narrative that the prosecution
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Speaker 1: is going to use during opening statements. And what it
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Speaker 1: does is it shows the jury that this guy is
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Speaker 1: capable of doing what the prosecution is alleging that he did.
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Speaker 1: When that seatbelt retracts, there is physical evidence that may
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Speaker 1: well be within that seatbelt compartment that Koberger would not
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Speaker 1: even think about cleaning up, he said. That's certainly something
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Speaker 1: that I'm sure authorities are looking at closely. Well, we
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Speaker 1: know that they ripped that whole car apart. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we're talking down to the nuts. They were digging in everything,
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Speaker 1: so if there was anything to find in that car,
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Speaker 1: I think they're going to find it. And also, remember,
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Speaker 1: he used bleach on that car, which is not a
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Speaker 1: good thing. The authorities are going to know that he
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Speaker 1: used bleach, and then when the jury, once again, gets
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Speaker 1: that information, they're going to want to know why he
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Speaker 1: was using bleach on the interior of his car. John Kelly,
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Speaker 1: a criminal profiler and psychoanalyst with experience interviewing mass murderers, agreed.
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Speaker 1: At some point, this guy goes to court. He told
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Speaker 1: Fox News Digital if he has a jury trial, which
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Speaker 1: I assume he will, he has got to explain how
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Speaker 1: that sheath ended up in that room under that girl's
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Speaker 1: body with his DNA on it. Bingo. How's he going
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Speaker 1: to explain that? And there are several instances like that
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Speaker 1: that him and his team are going to have to explain.
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Speaker 1: And I don't mean explain to me and you. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about explaining it to those 16 jurors. The 12
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Speaker 1: that are going to make the decision and the 6 alternates.
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Speaker 1: He's going to have to convince them. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know how he plans on doing it with all of
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Speaker 1: this evidence piled up against him. Suspicious sibling. Immediate relatives
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Speaker 1: may have even suspected Koberger once police announced they were
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Speaker 1: looking for a specific vehicle according to an unnamed source
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Speaker 1: cited in the report. One of Kohlberger's sisters allegedly found
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Speaker 1: his behavior back in Pennsylvania odd and pieced together his
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Speaker 1: connections to this white Elantra and previous proximity to the
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Speaker 1: November crime scene. Now look, that is loose as hell, right?
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Speaker 1: But if your own sister is thinking that, what are
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Speaker 1: the rest of us supposed to think? And I know
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Speaker 1: that if my brother had a white Hyundai Elantra and
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Speaker 1: he lived 5 miles from some murders or 15 miles
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Speaker 1: from some murders, I wouldn't be thinking that he did it.
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Speaker 1: Certainly not. So what else is going on in that family?
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Speaker 1: What's the dynamic that would lead his sister to believe
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Speaker 1: that Brian Kohlberger is capable of something like this? She
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Speaker 1: even floated the idea to the family that Kohlberger was
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Speaker 1: the suspect. If his family did allegedly suspect him before
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Speaker 1: he was arrested... I would hope they approached law enforcement,
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Speaker 1: but I understand from long experience how much hindsight factors in,
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Speaker 1: said Rawson. Yeah, look, if you just think that that's
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Speaker 1: the case and you have no evidence, you can't call
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Speaker 1: the police on your brother, right? Now, if you find
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Speaker 1: some evidence, that's a different story. But if you just
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Speaker 1: have a suspicion, I don't know how far you could
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Speaker 1: take that. Then again, I'm not living in their life.
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Speaker 1: I don't know their relationship and I don't know all
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Speaker 1: of the odds and ends that have built their opinion
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Speaker 1: of Brian Kohlberger. So maybe they thought he was capable
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Speaker 1: of this from the very jump. But under normal circumstances,
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Speaker 1: you would think that the last thing you're going to
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Speaker 1: do is think your brother's out here stabbing people to
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Speaker 1: death in their bedrooms. Kohlberger's relatives went outside to search
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Speaker 1: his car, according to the Dateline report, but it had
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Speaker 1: already been cleaned up. No matter how much and how
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Speaker 1: good you think you cleaned up the physical evidence, I
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Speaker 1: can unequivocally tell you that the authorities have means and
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Speaker 1: methods to overcome those cleanings, Williams said. There's no doubt
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Speaker 1: the technology has come so far. You know, in the
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Speaker 1: old days, you show up with a bottle of bleach
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Speaker 1: and a scrub brush and you're in business, right? Not
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Speaker 1: so much anymore. The technology that they have now is
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Speaker 1: just insane. Rawson recently recounted on the Fox True Crime
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Speaker 1: podcast with Emily Campagno, How she was blindsided when the
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Speaker 1: FBI knocked on her door in 2005 and told her
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Speaker 1: her father was a serial killer. Yeah, probably not the
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Speaker 1: best conversation you could ever have, right? Hey, Ms. So-and-so,
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Speaker 1: I got some bad news for you. Your dad was
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Speaker 1: tying up women and murdering families. Here's my card. Give
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Speaker 1: me a call. Family members becoming so suspicious before an
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Speaker 1: arrest is a red flag, according to Kelly, the criminal profiler.
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Speaker 1: It's very unusual for someone to begin to believe a
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Speaker 1: family member might be a murderer without a good reason,
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Speaker 1: he said. What happened in the past for her to
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Speaker 1: think he is such a monster? A man without mercy
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Speaker 1: who slashed those four kids, he asked. And that's the
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Speaker 1: question I've been asking, right? What happened in the past
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Speaker 1: that would make her think that he's capable of that
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Speaker 1: in the future? So there has to be a backstory here,
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Speaker 1: an origin story, if you will. It may have been
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Speaker 1: Koberger's past drug addiction, he said, referring to claims of
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Speaker 1: the suspect's high school friends who says he fell heavily
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Speaker 1: into drug abuse before cleaning up and going on to
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Speaker 1: obtain a graduate degree in criminal justice. Many heroin addicts
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Speaker 1: grow increasingly antisocial. Or maybe his sister knew of his
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Speaker 1: purported disdain for women, he added. I don't think the
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Speaker 1: drug addiction really played too much into it because that's
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Speaker 1: not really something that heroin addicts are up to. You know,
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Speaker 1: when you shoot some heroin, you're nodding off, right? You're
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Speaker 1: on that train. But something like this, I highly doubt
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Speaker 1: that you're on heroin. Maybe methamphetamine. Maybe he was zipped
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Speaker 1: up on a handful of Adderall or something like that.
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Speaker 1: But I highly doubt that heroin was a drug that
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Speaker 1: he was on when he was committing these murders. Don't
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Speaker 1: forget his sisters went into the mental health field too,
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Speaker 1: Kelly explained. Usually we don't end up there by mistake.
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Speaker 1: I have to believe that they saw some stuff. Additionally,
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Speaker 1: he said, teen drug abuse can be incredibly stressful for
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Speaker 1: family members, affecting them for years. If he's found guilty,
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Speaker 1: it not only affected them to this point, it will
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Speaker 1: affect them for the rest of their lives, he said.
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Speaker 1: There was also a previous case in which a woman
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Speaker 1: called Moscow police to report someone had tampered with her
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Speaker 1: car and stuffed underwear in her cup holder. However, Police
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Speaker 1: were commonly called to the neighborhood, full of student rentals
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Speaker 1: and just 200 yards from the university's Greek Row. While
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Speaker 1: there is a laundry list of serial killers who stole
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Speaker 1: women's panties, including Joel Rifkin and Canadian pilot Russell Wilson,
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Speaker 1: Kelly said Kohlberger could more easily have collected trophies online
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Speaker 1: from the victims themselves. Yeah, I don't think that this
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Speaker 1: underwear incident had anything to do with Brian Kohlberger, especially
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Speaker 1: considering where it's at, Greek Row. A lot of pranks
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Speaker 1: happen in places like that, sororities, fraternities, people rushing. So
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Speaker 1: I would say that probably it was just a prank.
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Speaker 1: These girls had such an online presence because of technology.
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Speaker 1: His trophy could be right in his computer. The social
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Speaker 1: media pictures of them, Kelly said. All four students had
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Speaker 1: been stabbed to death, according to Latah County Coroner Kathy Maybutt,
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Speaker 1: and at least some of them were likely sleeping at
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Speaker 1: the start of the 4 a.m. ambush. Latah County District
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Speaker 1: Judge John Judge entered a guilty plea on Kohlberger's behalf
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Speaker 1: at his arraignment on Monday. He is being held without
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Speaker 1: bail at the jail next door. A trial date was
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Speaker 1: set for early October, but could be postponed if the
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Speaker 1: defense waives Kohlberger's right to a speedy trial. And I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing that they're probably going to do that. They're going
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Speaker 1: to want more time to prepare here. And I don't
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Speaker 1: think that October is going to be enough time for
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Speaker 1: them to get everything locked in and ready to go.
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Speaker 1: But who knows? Maybe they will. They have four high-profile
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Speaker 1: lawyers on Kohlberger's team now, including Mrs. Massoff. So maybe
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Speaker 1: they'll be ready to go. We'll have to see. Either way,
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Speaker 1: we'll be here every step of the way, following along
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Speaker 1: as Brian Kohlberger faces justice. All right, everybody, that's going
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Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information
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Speaker 1: that goes with the episode can be found in the
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Speaker 1: description box. Everyone, and welcome back to the program. Now
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Speaker 1: that Brian Koberger has been named a suspect, we've had
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Speaker 1: several people come out and recount their experiences with him,
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Speaker 1: whether it be as a friend, a classmate. And now
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Speaker 1: we're hearing from some lady who says she met him
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Speaker 1: on Tinder and they went out on a date. And
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Speaker 1: according to her, he was creepy as hell. So let's
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Speaker 1: get into this article from the New York Post. And
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Speaker 1: let's see what she has to say about her date
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Speaker 1: with Brian Koberger. Headline, woman details Tinder date with Idaho
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Speaker 1: suspect Brian Koberger and viral TikTok. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Isabel Keene. A woman who claims she went on
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Speaker 1: a Tinder date with Brian Koberger said the 28-year-old, accused
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Speaker 1: of brutally slaying four University of Idaho students, invited himself
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Speaker 1: into her apartment and Then he kept trying to touch her.
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Speaker 1: So this dude thinks because he met her on Tinder
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Speaker 1: or something that he can just touch her whenever she wants.
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Speaker 1: According to her, she wasn't very receptive to that and
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Speaker 1: she wasn't really into him as far as a physical
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Speaker 1: connection or a physical attraction. The woman allegedly matched with Koberger,
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Speaker 1: who asked her out to the movies about seven years ago,
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Speaker 1: according to her TikTok video about the bizarre encounter. Now, obviously,
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Speaker 1: people can change in seven years. But what happens after
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Speaker 1: something like this occurs, you're going to hear from a
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Speaker 1: lot of people who were in Brian Koberger's life. Whether
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Speaker 1: it be friends, family members, ex-co-workers, whatever, the media is
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Speaker 1: going to try and get statements from all of them.
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Speaker 1: And like everything else we've heard about Koberger, if you
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Speaker 1: take it as just a one-off, then you can shrug
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Speaker 1: your shoulders and say, ah, we're just dealing with a
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Speaker 1: dude who was a little bit weird maybe. But when
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Speaker 1: you put it all together, it certainly looks like we're
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Speaker 1: dealing with something completely different. The woman behind the video, Haley,
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Speaker 1: allegedly matched with Koberger on Tinder about seven years ago
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Speaker 1: while she was a psychology student at Penn State Hazleton,
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Speaker 1: she told the Post. Koberger was also studying psychology at
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Speaker 1: another school nearby, which was a bonding point for the two,
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Speaker 1: Haley said. And I can see that. You want to
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Speaker 1: date people who have the same interests as you, right?
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Speaker 1: And if you can find somebody who has the same major...
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Speaker 1: they have the same goals, the same drive, then perhaps
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Speaker 1: that might be somebody that you're compatible with and that
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Speaker 1: you can think about making a life with. And a
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Speaker 1: lot of times that's what people are doing when they're dating, right?
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Speaker 1: Trying to find that perfect companion so that they can
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Speaker 1: set themselves up for the rest of their lives. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what was going on here.
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Speaker 1: They met on Tinder and, you know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: people meet on Tinder to have hookups or whatever, but
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Speaker 1: that's not always the case. People meet on there. They
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Speaker 1: end up falling in love and you know how it goes.
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Speaker 1: But it certainly helps things progress if you have the
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Speaker 1: same interests or in this case, if you have the
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Speaker 1: same major in college. My interactions with Brian were very brief.
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Speaker 1: I don't know much about him. The woman said in
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Speaker 1: her TikTok video posted on Monday, we matched on Tinder.
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Speaker 1: We talked for a couple of hours and then he
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Speaker 1: was like, hey, you want to go to the movies
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Speaker 1: with me tonight? I was like, sure. So we went
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Speaker 1: to the movies, she said. And how many of us
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Speaker 1: have done that at some point in our life? Met
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Speaker 1: somebody online, decided, hey, I'm digging where this conversation's going.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's link up and let's go to the movies
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Speaker 1: or let's go have a drink or something like that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about the movies on your first date.
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Speaker 1: You want to, you know, actually talk to somebody and
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Speaker 1: get to know them a little bit. So I would
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Speaker 1: think that maybe a coffee or a drink or maybe
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Speaker 1: some food or something might be a better idea. But
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Speaker 1: they decided they were going to go to a movie
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Speaker 1: and she was receptive to it because during the conversation
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Speaker 1: they hit it off. Right. They had some things in
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Speaker 1: common and she thought that Brian might be a decent dude.
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Speaker 1: While the pair only went out once, Haley told the Post, Now,
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Speaker 1: first of all, not a good idea to bring somebody
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Speaker 1: you just met on Tinder back to your dorm, but
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Speaker 1: I guess that's a conversation for another episode. They get
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Speaker 1: back to the dorm, and according to her, Brian Koberger
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Speaker 1: becomes a completely different person once they're behind closed doors.
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Speaker 1: I thought he was just going to drop me off,
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Speaker 1: but that was not the case. He kind of invited
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Speaker 1: himself inside, she said. Once inside Haley's room, Koberger wanted
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Speaker 1: to watch another movie on Netflix, and that's when things
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Speaker 1: took a creepy turn. Again, I don't think it's a
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Speaker 1: good idea to have strangers at your house in the
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Speaker 1: best of times, never mind if it's a one-on-one interaction
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Speaker 1: like this. especially considering now with hindsight, you look at
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Speaker 1: what happened at that college campus house in Moscow and
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Speaker 1: say to yourself, if somebody's coming in here with four
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Speaker 1: people at the house, six people at the house and
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Speaker 1: murdering people, do you really think that it's impossible? Somebody
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Speaker 1: can come into this dorm, come home with me for
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Speaker 1: Tinder and murder me. I know it's not the likeliest
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Speaker 1: thing to happen, but you have to be careful. You
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Speaker 1: just don't know who you're dealing with folks, especially if
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Speaker 1: you're meeting somebody for the first time and you've just
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Speaker 1: met them online. It's not like you have friends that
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Speaker 1: are vouching for them or, you know, their, uh, their
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Speaker 1: sister or something like that. It's just a stranger. So
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Speaker 1: while we always want to think the best of people,
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Speaker 1: we have to keep in mind that not everybody has
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Speaker 1: our best interest at heart. He was very pushy when
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Speaker 1: it came to coming back in my dorm with me,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't get like scary vibes or anything like
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Speaker 1: that from it. I just thought he was a stage
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Speaker 1: five clinger because he said he wanted to spend more
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Speaker 1: time with me, Haley told the Post. And remember, we
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Speaker 1: have hindsight to guide us about Brian Koberger. For Haley here,
20:37
Speaker 1: seven years ago, she's probably thinking, ah, just another creepy-ass dude.
20:42
Speaker 1: Just my luck, just another creeper from Tinder. And there's
20:46
Speaker 1: tons of them, right? Just because a guy's a creeper
20:49
Speaker 1: or a clinger doesn't make him a killer. But in
20:52
Speaker 1: this case, she was literally spending time with the incarnation
20:58
Speaker 1: of what would become the face of evil. He kept
21:02
Speaker 1: trying to touch me. Not like inappropriately, just trying to
21:06
Speaker 1: tickle me and like rub my shoulders and stuff. And
21:10
Speaker 1: I was like, why are you touching me? She recalled
21:12
Speaker 1: in her video. And to me, that seems like a
21:15
Speaker 1: dude who's socially awkward, doesn't know how to make the move.
21:18
Speaker 1: So let me do some tickle games. Oh, let me
21:20
Speaker 1: rub your shoulders and see if this leads to something.
21:23
Speaker 1: And most times that's just a socially awkward guy that
21:27
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to hit on girls correctly. But Now,
21:30
Speaker 1: with hindsight to guide us, obviously, it takes a whole
21:33
Speaker 1: nother turn, a lot more sinister, when you have somebody
21:37
Speaker 1: like Brian Koberger, who is now accused of, what, four homicides?
21:43
Speaker 1: When you have that as the person who you're spending
21:45
Speaker 1: your time with, having a Netflix and chill night, it
21:48
Speaker 1: puts things into a whole different perspective. Koberger apparently got
21:53
Speaker 1: super serious in response to her accusation and denied touching her.
21:57
Speaker 1: Haley's TikTok video has now been viewed over 1.3 million
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Speaker 1: times as of Tuesday. He's like, I'm not. And I'm like,
22:06
Speaker 1: you are though. And he's like, I'm not touching you.
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Speaker 1: Kind of trying to gaslight me into thinking that he
22:12
Speaker 1: didn't touch me, which is weird, she claimed. And there's
22:15
Speaker 1: no doubt. If you're out here touching somebody and they
22:19
Speaker 1: don't want you to touch them, here's an idea. Stop.
22:23
Speaker 1: The first time you do it, meaning you make your
22:25
Speaker 1: move and you're shot down, well, we can consider you
22:28
Speaker 1: socially awkward or someone that doesn't take social cues very well. However,
22:33
Speaker 1: if you keep it up, now you're a sick bastard
22:36
Speaker 1: and you're borderline being a predator. Haley said at this
22:41
Speaker 1: point she excused herself to go use the shared dorm
22:44
Speaker 1: bathroom and Koberger allegedly followed her there. Now, what sort
22:48
Speaker 1: of dude is going to follow some girl to the
22:51
Speaker 1: bathroom unless that dude is a sick, demented toucher? I mean,
22:55
Speaker 1: for real? You're not her girlfriend. She doesn't want you
22:59
Speaker 1: to accompany her to the bathroom for a chit chat. Bro,
23:02
Speaker 1: she's trying to get away from you. She doesn't want
23:04
Speaker 1: you touching her. She doesn't want you rubbing her hair.
23:07
Speaker 1: She doesn't want any of it, creepy co-burger. Take it easy.
23:11
Speaker 1: But according to her, he didn't stop. He stood outside
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Speaker 1: of that bathroom door and she had to go to
23:18
Speaker 1: extreme measures to get rid of him. Realizing that she
23:21
Speaker 1: wanted co-burger to leave, but being too socially awkward to ask,
23:25
Speaker 1: Haley said she pretended to throw up. It wasn't because
23:29
Speaker 1: I was scared of him or thought he would hurt
23:31
Speaker 1: me if I asked him to leave. It was just
23:33
Speaker 1: mostly because I'm socially awkward. I didn't know how to
23:36
Speaker 1: ask him to leave, Haley claimed. And some people are
23:39
Speaker 1: socially awkward. They don't like confrontation. They don't know how
23:42
Speaker 1: to deal with situations like this. So they'll try to
23:45
Speaker 1: avoid it. Or they'll try and make up an excuse
23:48
Speaker 1: like she did by saying she was throwing up. And
23:51
Speaker 1: it looks like Kohlberger got the message because he left.
23:55
Speaker 1: Kohlberger then allegedly messaged Haley on Tinder to tell her
23:59
Speaker 1: he was leaving. Probably the best news she ever had, huh?
24:03
Speaker 1: While her plan was successful, Koberger allegedly texted her about
24:06
Speaker 1: an hour later and said she had good birthing hips,
24:09
Speaker 1: Haley claimed. Now, bro, you just tried to rub her hair,
24:14
Speaker 1: you just tried to give her a massage, and you
24:16
Speaker 1: just heard her throwing up, allegedly, in the bathroom, and
24:20
Speaker 1: you're sending her these messages about birthing hips? Talk about
24:25
Speaker 1: creepy and weird. So, I never talked to him again,
24:30
Speaker 1: she added at the very end of her video. When
24:32
Speaker 1: speaking with the Post, Haley noted she felt it was
24:35
Speaker 1: important to share the story since it could have been
24:38
Speaker 1: so much different. Brian was not even the creepiest or
24:41
Speaker 1: scariest Tinder date I've been on. I hope that if
24:44
Speaker 1: any young women see my story and think they're invincible,
24:48
Speaker 1: they learn that taking precautions when going on dates with
24:50
Speaker 1: people you meet online is so important. It really is.
24:54
Speaker 1: Make sure that you tell your friends, don't do it
24:57
Speaker 1: all undercover, tell your parents, somebody, so that people know
25:01
Speaker 1: who you're with. give them a picture, whatever, but you
25:05
Speaker 1: have to safeguard yourself. I'm not one of these people
25:08
Speaker 1: that says, oh, you shouldn't date anyone you meet online.
25:11
Speaker 1: That's crazy. This day and age, people are going to
25:13
Speaker 1: do it. Just take precautions like anything else. Have your
25:17
Speaker 1: head on a swivel and have yourself ready to go.
25:19
Speaker 1: I call it East side situational awareness. And I would
25:24
Speaker 1: hope that everybody is going to be aware of their
25:26
Speaker 1: surroundings at all times. Koberger, a PhD student studying criminology
25:33
Speaker 1: at Washington State University, was charged with four counts of
25:36
Speaker 1: murder relating to the brutal stabbing deaths of Ethan Chapin,
25:40
Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalves. The four friends
25:45
Speaker 1: were all studying at the University of Idaho and living
25:48
Speaker 1: in the town of Moscow at the time of the attacks.
25:51
Speaker 1: They had returned to their off-campus house on the night
25:54
Speaker 1: of November 13th after partying at different locations when the
25:58
Speaker 1: murderer struck around 4 a.m. Two roommates who also lived
26:03
Speaker 1: in the house escaped unscathed, although one had an encounter
26:07
Speaker 1: with a black-clad masked killer as he exited the house,
26:11
Speaker 1: leaving her frozen in fear. Koberger, who has been linked
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Speaker 1: to the crime scene by DNA evidence, cell phone data,
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Speaker 1: and his car, made his first court appearance in Idaho
26:21
Speaker 1: last Thursday and is being held at the Latah County Jail.
26:26
Speaker 1: He was arrested after authorities raided his family's Pennsylvania home
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Speaker 1: On December 30th, seven weeks after the grisly murders took
26:34
Speaker 1: place in Moscow, about 10 miles from the Washington State
26:38
Speaker 1: University Pullman campus. So there's the story from this young lady, Haley,
26:44
Speaker 1: who went on a date with Brian Koberger. And again,
26:47
Speaker 1: if it was just this evidence, just this piece of...
26:51
Speaker 1: you know, information, you could shrug your shoulders and say, creepy, weird,
26:56
Speaker 1: but certainly not illegal. Certainly not something that would cause
26:59
Speaker 1: super alarm. But then you add it all up and
27:04
Speaker 1: you look at what we have and what it reveals
27:07
Speaker 1: is not a good picture for Brian Koberger. All right, folks,
27:12
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
27:14
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27:18
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27:27
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that
27:34
Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
27:39
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Ever since Brian Koberger's arrest,
27:45
Speaker 1: we have heard from multiple people about his aberrant and
27:49
Speaker 1: aggressive behavior towards women. And we have seen multiple examples
27:53
Speaker 1: of this presented to us as this investigation has unfolded.
27:59
Speaker 1: Whether it's somebody that knew him when they were in
28:01
Speaker 1: junior high school, or whether it's somebody that went out
28:05
Speaker 1: with him, allegedly, on a Tinder date and had to
28:08
Speaker 1: make pretend they were throwing up so that he would leave.
28:11
Speaker 1: And then we've heard from the people who work at
28:13
Speaker 1: the brewery by his house about how they had him
28:16
Speaker 1: in the database as a problem customer and somebody who
28:20
Speaker 1: harassed the women. And it goes on and on and
28:23
Speaker 1: on and on. Now, with all of that said, does
28:26
Speaker 1: that make Brian Koberger guilty of these murders? It does not.
28:30
Speaker 1: But what it does do is continue to add puzzle
28:33
Speaker 1: pieces to that profile of who Brian Koberger is, because
28:37
Speaker 1: that is all relevant. His behavior towards women, you don't
28:41
Speaker 1: think that's relevant when we end up with three women
28:44
Speaker 1: murdered to death in their home? Yeah, I think it's
28:47
Speaker 1: pretty relevant as far as how he treated women in
28:49
Speaker 1: his past. Then you hear about his own sister being
28:53
Speaker 1: suspicious of him and the fact that he also stole
28:55
Speaker 1: from his sister when he was younger to feed his
28:58
Speaker 1: drug habit. And then if you want to talk about
29:00
Speaker 1: more recent examples, how about the women that he made
29:03
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable in those classes? How about the students who
29:06
Speaker 1: he was TAing for? You know what we call it
29:09
Speaker 1: when something happens over and over and over again throughout
29:12
Speaker 1: your life? That's a pattern. And it would seem that
29:16
Speaker 1: if all of these stories are real and that if
29:19
Speaker 1: all of these people are telling the truth, and I
29:21
Speaker 1: have no reason to doubt any of them, to be
29:23
Speaker 1: honest with you, then that means this is a pattern
29:26
Speaker 1: of behavior that Brian Kohlberger has exhibited his whole entire life.
29:31
Speaker 1: And again, that does not make him a murderer. However,
29:34
Speaker 1: it does lend some credence to all of the talk
29:37
Speaker 1: about Brian Koberger being a misogynist or a Koberger being
29:41
Speaker 1: an incel. Now, I'm not going to tell you one
29:44
Speaker 1: way or the other that he's either of those things.
29:47
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a psychologist. I'm not trained
29:51
Speaker 1: or capable or qualified to make those sorts of judgments.
29:55
Speaker 1: But what I do know is that you shouldn't have
29:57
Speaker 1: these kinds of issues with women your whole entire life.
30:01
Speaker 1: And if everybody else always seems to be the issue,
30:04
Speaker 1: chances are you need to do some self-evaluation and understand
30:08
Speaker 1: that in all of those situations, the common denominator is you.
30:12
Speaker 1: And that would seem to be the case for Brian Koberger.
30:16
Speaker 1: In all of these situations, the common denominator is Brian
30:19
Speaker 1: Koberger and his ass allegedly being creepy. Today's article is
30:24
Speaker 1: from Newsweek. And the headline, Brian Koberger was moved away
30:29
Speaker 1: from female students, administrator reveals. This article was authored by
30:34
Speaker 1: Matthew Impelli. Imagine being such a creepy bastard that your
30:39
Speaker 1: teacher has to move you away from your classmates. What
30:43
Speaker 1: sort of weird ass nonsense are you up to in
30:46
Speaker 1: that classroom that would necessitate such a move? Brian Koberger
30:50
Speaker 1: was moved away from female students while attending a career
30:54
Speaker 1: institute in Pennsylvania, according to a former school administrator. Fox
30:59
Speaker 1: Nation on Sunday released an exclusive special titled Brian Koberger.
31:04
Speaker 1: I am blank. in which Nancy Grace spoke to many
31:07
Speaker 1: people who had experiences with the Idaho murder suspect, including
31:11
Speaker 1: Tanya Carmela Beers, who served as Koberger's former administrator at
31:16
Speaker 1: the Monroe Career and Technical Institute. Carmela Beers explained that
31:21
Speaker 1: Koberger was initially in the Protective Services program at the Institute,
31:26
Speaker 1: where he sought to prepare for a career in law enforcement. However...
31:30
Speaker 1: She said that after two incidents, he was moved into
31:33
Speaker 1: another program where there were no female students. What, is
31:37
Speaker 1: he a priest? Here's an idea, throw him out of
31:39
Speaker 1: the program. Why are you just moving him? And what
31:42
Speaker 1: was the issue? I guess that's really what it comes
31:44
Speaker 1: down to. What was the issue? Was he touching somebody?
31:48
Speaker 1: Was he just making them uncomfortable with commentary? Was he
31:52
Speaker 1: following them home? Was he stalking them? I'm sure that
31:55
Speaker 1: the investigators who are looking into the murders... have asked
31:59
Speaker 1: all of those questions and have talked to all of
32:01
Speaker 1: these people who have had a part in Brian Koberger's life,
32:06
Speaker 1: or who might be able to fill in some blanks
32:08
Speaker 1: along the way. And just like any puzzle, you have
32:11
Speaker 1: to start with those corner pieces and work your way
32:14
Speaker 1: towards the middle. She was unable to provide details about
32:18
Speaker 1: the incidents, but told Fox Nation that they were related
32:22
Speaker 1: to female students in the program with Koberger. And there's
32:26
Speaker 1: obviously all kinds of like privacy laws that she has
32:29
Speaker 1: to respect as an administrator for that school district or
32:32
Speaker 1: former administrator. But whatever occurred was substantial enough that they
32:37
Speaker 1: decided to move Kohlberger out of this classroom, out of
32:40
Speaker 1: this program and move him with just other boys. And
32:44
Speaker 1: that seems to me to be a pretty dramatic move.
32:48
Speaker 1: Like I could understand maybe getting suspended, but being pulled
32:52
Speaker 1: out of a class or a program Because you can't
32:55
Speaker 1: get along with the other gender? Like, you learned that
32:58
Speaker 1: shit in kindergarten, right? Don't hit people, get along with everybody,
33:02
Speaker 1: treat everybody equally. But Brian Kohlberger, out here in society,
33:07
Speaker 1: at least according to all these people, recounting their experiences
33:10
Speaker 1: with him, couldn't even do that. Couldn't even have a basic,
33:14
Speaker 1: you know, school-like classmate relationship without being a creepy MF-er.
33:20
Speaker 1: There had been one or two incidents that had occurred,
33:23
Speaker 1: Carmela Beers told Fox Nation. Some of the issues that
33:26
Speaker 1: arose were based on having a mixed population in that classroom.
33:30
Speaker 1: One of those incidents ultimately resulted in him being removed
33:34
Speaker 1: from that program. And he's lucky he wasn't removed from
33:38
Speaker 1: consciousness by whoever this girl's father is. Imagine your daughter
33:43
Speaker 1: comes home and tells you, hey dad, I was in
33:45
Speaker 1: my so-and-so class and this creepy son of a bitch
33:48
Speaker 1: did whatever to me. If she told me that at eight,
33:51
Speaker 1: I'd be at the school at nine, causing all kinds
33:54
Speaker 1: of ruckus and demanding answers. But instead of smacking this
33:57
Speaker 1: dude down and giving him some discipline, they decided they'd
34:01
Speaker 1: just relocate him with other guys instead. Like that's going
34:04
Speaker 1: to fix the problem or address the issue. The issue
34:07
Speaker 1: is that he did whatever he did. That has to
34:10
Speaker 1: be addressed. Just moving him is counterproductive and stupid. And
34:15
Speaker 1: depending on what he did, don't you think that he
34:17
Speaker 1: should just be thrown out of the program completely? Why
34:21
Speaker 1: are you moving him around? Why are you juggling him around?
34:24
Speaker 1: It's not his right to be in that program. Being
34:27
Speaker 1: in that program is a privilege, a privilege that should
34:29
Speaker 1: have been revoked. In December of 2022, Koberger, 28, was
34:35
Speaker 1: arrested and charged with four counts of first-degree murder, one
34:39
Speaker 1: count of felony burglary. Following the fatal stabbings of Kaylee Gonsalves, 21,
34:44
Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, and Zanna Kernodle, 20.
34:50
Speaker 1: All four victims were students at the University of Idaho
34:53
Speaker 1: and staying in in an off-campus residence at the time
34:56
Speaker 1: of the killings. Koberger, for his part, has maintained his
35:00
Speaker 1: innocence and stood silently during his arraignment. The judge overseeing
35:05
Speaker 1: the case entered a not guilty plea for Koberger on
35:08
Speaker 1: each of the charges. Since his arrest, only a few
35:11
Speaker 1: details about his life have been released, such as his
35:15
Speaker 1: behavior toward women, as some have claimed that he exhibited
35:19
Speaker 1: incel involuntary celibate tendencies. And speaking in general terms, there's
35:25
Speaker 1: no doubt that Brian Koberger checks off all the categories
35:28
Speaker 1: of somebody that would be considered an incel. There is
35:32
Speaker 1: zero doubt about it. But I'm not going to sit
35:34
Speaker 1: here and tell you that's what he is. I don't know.
35:37
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, I'm not a trained psychologist. What
35:40
Speaker 1: I will tell you is this. The profile that's built
35:43
Speaker 1: of Brian Koberger, what we know of Brian Koberger's behavior
35:48
Speaker 1: towards women, is not looking good for Mr. Koberger. You know,
35:53
Speaker 1: if it's one person saying, hey, look, he was kind
35:55
Speaker 1: of weird, you could brush that to the side and say, hey,
35:58
Speaker 1: maybe those people aren't compatible. But when you have all
36:01
Speaker 1: these people coming out and giving you basically the same story,
36:06
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you believe them? One of Koberger's former friends,
36:09
Speaker 1: Jack Bayless, also spoke to Fox Nation about the case
36:13
Speaker 1: and the arrest. saying that Kohlberger was often frustrated with women.
36:17
Speaker 1: Bayliss also said that Kohlberger expressed issues to him about
36:21
Speaker 1: his dating life and how he would be ghosted a
36:24
Speaker 1: lot by females. And just like everything else in the
36:28
Speaker 1: investigation into Brian Kohlberger, you can't look at things piecemeal.
36:33
Speaker 1: You have to look at everything in the totality. Look
36:36
Speaker 1: at the evidence in the totality. Look at all of
36:39
Speaker 1: the accusations against him by people that knew him in
36:42
Speaker 1: the totality. And when you start doing that, it becomes
36:46
Speaker 1: very difficult to arrive at any other destination than a
36:50
Speaker 1: place where the evidence is mounting against Brian Koberger. And
36:55
Speaker 1: I'm being kind when I say that. Jennifer Kofendaffer, a
36:58
Speaker 1: former FBI agent, told Newsweek in January that she believed
37:02
Speaker 1: Koberger's deepest motivation for the alleged crimes would be this
37:07
Speaker 1: incel theory. Kofendaffer is not directly involved in the case. Well,
37:13
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I definitely think that
37:16
Speaker 1: this all stemmed from him having some sort of obsession
37:19
Speaker 1: with Maddie. And from there, it snowballed into him deciding,
37:23
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill Maddie. But when he showed up there,
37:26
Speaker 1: he didn't expect Kaylee to be in that bed. So
37:28
Speaker 1: that tossed all of his plans out the window. And
37:31
Speaker 1: it's my opinion that that led to Zanna and Ethan
37:35
Speaker 1: being murdered as well. Because at this point, I'm pretty
37:38
Speaker 1: much convinced that Madison was the target. And I think
37:42
Speaker 1: his plan was to get in there, kill Madison, and
37:44
Speaker 1: get out without anyone being the wiser. So in my mind,
37:48
Speaker 1: that's the most likely scenario. And I think that he
37:51
Speaker 1: ran across Maddie at the Mad Greek while she was working.
37:54
Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that this incel stuff could have
37:57
Speaker 1: definitely played a part. In terms of his rejection by
38:01
Speaker 1: women and his aggression toward women, that continued to build
38:05
Speaker 1: over just being rejected and not being accepted by women
38:09
Speaker 1: throughout his journey in life, she told Newsweek. I just
38:13
Speaker 1: don't get it. It is not that difficult to find
38:15
Speaker 1: a date. Wake up in the morning, take a shower,
38:18
Speaker 1: put on deodorant, brush your teeth, go to the gym
38:21
Speaker 1: every now and then, don't be creepy von creepenstein, and maybe,
38:26
Speaker 1: just maybe, you'll get a date. Newsweek reached out to
38:29
Speaker 1: Koberger's lawyer, Ann Taylor, via email for comment. All right,
38:33
Speaker 1: and as you can see, folks, the profile keeps being built.
38:36
Speaker 1: And the vast majority of these incidents and the people
38:39
Speaker 1: that are recounting them have one thing in common when
38:42
Speaker 1: they're talking about Brian Koberger. And that's that they all
38:46
Speaker 1: believe that he is one creepy SOB. All right, folks,
38:51
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
38:53
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38:56
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39:05
Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
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Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program.
39:13
Speaker 1: In this episode, we're going to spin back up to Moscow,
39:17
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk a little bit more about
39:18
Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger. and how his behavior alarmed university faculty and
39:23
Speaker 1: students before the murders. And honestly, who the hell's shocked
39:27
Speaker 1: to hear that? Pretty much everybody who's ever interacted with
39:30
Speaker 1: him has told us what a weirdo he is, so
39:33
Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't come as a shock to me to
39:35
Speaker 1: hear that Brian Kohlberger was out here acting like a
39:38
Speaker 1: weirdo inside of the classroom and when he was at
39:41
Speaker 1: other functions that were school-related. It shouldn't be a shock
39:45
Speaker 1: to anybody. Bro is demented. He is a sick, sick man.
39:49
Speaker 1: And he should have received the death penalty. And of course,
39:52
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of something like this, we all look
39:54
Speaker 1: for answers, right? Were there signs? What did we miss?
39:57
Speaker 1: What was he doing? What was he saying? Is there
40:01
Speaker 1: something that we could have done to stop him from
40:03
Speaker 1: doing what he did? I'm sure that's what people are
40:06
Speaker 1: asking themselves. But in my opinion, no matter what, this
40:10
Speaker 1: is what Brian Kohlberger was going to do. Whether it
40:13
Speaker 1: was at the house at 1122 King Road or somewhere else,
40:18
Speaker 1: This man is a killer. And now, he's exactly where
40:22
Speaker 1: he belongs. Today's article is from CBS News and the headline,
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Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger's Behavior Alarmed University Faculty and Students Before Idaho Murders.
40:33
Speaker 1: Documents show the author of this article is Amanda Arden.
40:37
Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger developed a reputation for being sexist and creepy
40:42
Speaker 1: while attending a criminal justice program in the month before
40:45
Speaker 1: He killed four University of Idaho students in 2022, fellow
40:50
Speaker 1: grad students told investigators. More than 550 pages of investigation
40:56
Speaker 1: documents were recently released by Idaho State Police in response
41:00
Speaker 1: to public records requests. They include summaries of interviews with
41:04
Speaker 1: students and instructors at Washington State University where Koberger was
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Speaker 1: a doctoral student in criminology. Kohlberger's behavior was so problematic
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Speaker 1: that one Washington State University faculty member told coworkers that
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Speaker 1: if he ever became a professor, he would likely stalk
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Speaker 1: or sexually abuse his future students, according to documents. Well,
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Speaker 1: was that person wrong? That's exactly the kind of scumbag
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Speaker 1: that Kohlberger is. And can you imagine if he would
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Speaker 1: have become law enforcement? What sort of disaster that would
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Speaker 1: have led to? I mean, we might have been looking
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Speaker 1: at a guy who went on a serial killing spree
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Speaker 1: that rivaled anybody we've ever seen. Because if it wasn't
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Speaker 1: for that knife sheath being left, this piece of shit
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Speaker 1: would have gotten away with it. He is smart enough
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Speaker 1: that in four years, we will have to give him
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Speaker 1: a PhD, the woman told her colleagues, according to the
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Speaker 1: report from Idaho State Police Detective Ryan O'Hara. She continued,
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Speaker 1: mark my words, I work with predators. If we give
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Speaker 1: him a PhD, that's the guy, in that many years,
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Speaker 1: when he is a professor, we will hear he is harassing, stalking,
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Speaker 1: and sexually abusing his students at wherever university. Yo, that's
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Speaker 1: dark and chilling. And furthermore, you should give that lady
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Speaker 1: a job as a profiler, because she obviously knows what
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Speaker 1: she's talking about. And look, it's easy to play Monday
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Speaker 1: morning quarterback, right? It's harder to call the plays when
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Speaker 1: the game's happening. but there's no doubt that there was
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Speaker 1: a lot of signs that Brian Kohlberger was a disturbed individual.
42:37
Speaker 1: And after we learned about Brian Kohlberger, and we got
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Speaker 1: more information about him after the arrest, I was convinced
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Speaker 1: that we had the right guy. And it turns out,
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Speaker 1: we did. Kohlberger was sentenced to life in prison without parole.
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Speaker 1: Last month, for the stabbing murders of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin at a rental home near
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Speaker 1: a Moscow, Idaho campus, early on November 13th, 2022. And
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Speaker 1: I can't believe it was that long ago already. It
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Speaker 1: seems like just yesterday that I woke up to the
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Speaker 1: news that these four kids were murdered. And I remember
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Speaker 1: reading the article the day after and looking at my
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Speaker 1: girlfriend and saying, this story is going to be huge.
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Speaker 1: The murder of four college kids while they're sleeping in
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Speaker 1: a small town like Moscow, Idaho. Oh yeah, that's going
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Speaker 1: to be a gigantic story. And I think a lot
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Speaker 1: of it had to do with people being able to relate.
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Speaker 1: How many of us went to college? How many of
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Speaker 1: us have kids that are in college? So I think
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Speaker 1: that the story hit home with a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: You know, people are sitting there drinking their coffee in
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Speaker 1: the morning. They read this story and they automatically think
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Speaker 1: about their kid who's away at insert university here. And
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Speaker 1: I think that's why that story resonated so well with
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Speaker 1: people and why it became such a big story. And
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Speaker 1: we're talking about internationally, right? The WSU faculty member told
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Speaker 1: investigators that Kohlberger would sometimes go into an office where
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Speaker 1: several female grad students worked, physically blocking the door. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: she would hear one of the women say, I really
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Speaker 1: need to get out of here. So she would intercede
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Speaker 1: by going into the office to allow the students to leave. Like,
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Speaker 1: how do you even accept that as a teacher? Don't
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Speaker 1: you pull this idiot to the side and say, look,
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Speaker 1: you do that shit again, we're going to have a
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Speaker 1: big problem. The faculty member believed Kohlberger was stalking people.
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Speaker 1: She told police that someone had reportedly broke into a
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Speaker 1: female graduate student's apartment in September or October, stealing perfume
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Speaker 1: and underwear. Now, is that Kohlberger? We don't know, but
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Speaker 1: it would fit. And maybe it was a practice run
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Speaker 1: for his murder spree. He had to break in, right?
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Speaker 1: So maybe he was thinking, let me get a practice
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Speaker 1: run in, do some burglary real quick. snatch a pair
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Speaker 1: of drawers, some perfume, and be done with it. And
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, all of that tracks with the person
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Speaker 1: that we know now that Brian Kohlberger is. An unnamed
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Speaker 1: PhD student who was in the same program as Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: told police that he enjoyed conflict, was disparaging towards women,
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Speaker 1: that he especially liked to talk about sexual burglary, his
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Speaker 1: field of study. Well, what do you know? Sexual burglary, huh?
45:18
Speaker 1: What did Brian Kohlberger do in that house? And what
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Speaker 1: was his real plan? In my opinion, his plan was
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Speaker 1: to sexually abuse Madison Mogan. And when Kaylee was there,
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Speaker 1: that led to Brian Koberger flipping out and the whole
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Speaker 1: plan going awry. And I know that the prosecutor said
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Speaker 1: that there was no sexual component to this, but I
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Speaker 1: think his motivation was sexual. About three weeks after the murders,
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Speaker 1: Koberger told the PhD student that whoever had committed the
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Speaker 1: crimes must have been pretty good, Idaho State Police Sergeant
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Speaker 1: Michael Van Leuven Wrote in a report, Kohlberger also told
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Speaker 1: the woman that the murders might have been a one
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Speaker 1: and done type of thing. Van Leuven wrote, I highly
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Speaker 1: doubt that. Anyone who thinks that Brian Kohlberger would have
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Speaker 1: stopped at these four kids is fooling themselves. This dude
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Speaker 1: would have went on to be Gary Ridgway or Ted
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Speaker 1: Bundy or insert psychopath here. He had a taste now.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't going to stop. There might have been some
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Speaker 1: cool down periods, but stop? Zero chance. The woman said
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Speaker 1: that she had never met anyone who acted in such
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Speaker 1: a condescending manner and wondered why people in power in
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Speaker 1: the department did not address his behavior, Van Leuven wrote.
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Speaker 1: The way he spoke to females in the department was
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Speaker 1: unsettling to them. And this really tracks with everything we
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Speaker 1: heard in the early stages, right? When people were first
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Speaker 1: coming out talking about Kohlberger and how he behaved. Now,
46:45
Speaker 1: of course, that was all scuttlebutt. And we can't take
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Speaker 1: it as fact. But I thought that the people were
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Speaker 1: telling the truth. Because why would they lie? What do
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Speaker 1: they have to gain by lying about who Koberger was,
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Speaker 1: at least in their experience with him? And then putting
47:01
Speaker 1: all that together as far as the profile that was
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Speaker 1: built of Brian Koberger, it was rather obvious to me
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Speaker 1: that they had the right guy. And when you start
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Speaker 1: adding up all the evidence, the circumstantial evidence, on top
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Speaker 1: of the DNA evidence... I don't know how anyone could
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Speaker 1: look at what happened here and say, oh man, Brian Kohlberger,
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Speaker 1: he's not the right guy. He didn't do it. Not
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Speaker 1: only do we have all this evidence, this dumb fuck confessed.
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Speaker 1: One instructor told police that she was assigned to work
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Speaker 1: with Kohlberger on his doctoral program in late August of 2022.
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Speaker 1: She said she began receiving complaints about him from students
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Speaker 1: and staff in the criminal justice program. The instructor told police,
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Speaker 1: that she spent a lot of time speaking about Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: during disciplinary meetings. So if you have somebody who's an
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Speaker 1: obvious problem, why are you letting them stay in the program?
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Speaker 1: Why isn't this person removed? The meetings focused around Kohlberger's
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Speaker 1: interactions with fellow postgraduate students in and out of the classroom,
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Speaker 1: along with his behavior around some of the criminal justice professors,
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Speaker 1: according to an investigator's report. The school got nine separate
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Speaker 1: complaints from faculty members, administration staffers, and other students about
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Speaker 1: his rude and belittling behavior towards women, Idaho State Police
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Speaker 1: Detective Sean Prosser wrote in a report. In response, the
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Speaker 1: school held a mandatory training class for all graduate students
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Speaker 1: about behavior expectations. Here's an idea. Punish the person that
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Speaker 1: deserves to be punished. And that person here was Brian Kohlberger.
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Speaker 1: But instead, you have everybody come in for training? What
48:38
Speaker 1: sort of dumb horseshit is that? Many of Kohlberger's fellow
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Speaker 1: students and instructors at WSU did not suspect his involvement
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Speaker 1: in the killings, according to police reports. But at least
48:52
Speaker 1: one fellow student noticed his behavior changed after the murders.
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Speaker 1: The student said that Kohlberger frequently used his phone before
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Speaker 1: the killings, but stopped bringing his cell phone to class
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Speaker 1: after the murders. He also appeared more disheveled in the
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Speaker 1: weeks after the killings, the student told police, and she
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Speaker 1: thought it was odd. that he never participated in conversations
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Speaker 1: about the Moscow deaths. Well, that doesn't shock me. Considering
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Speaker 1: he's the one who did it, probably thought it would
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Speaker 1: be a good idea to keep his mouth shut. She
49:22
Speaker 1: eventually called the police tip line to report that she'd
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Speaker 1: seen Koberger with bloody knuckles just prior to the killings,
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Speaker 1: and his hand looked like he had been hitting something.
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Speaker 1: And considering what we know about Kaylee, it's likely that
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Speaker 1: he probably used his hand to strike her at least
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Speaker 1: a few times. Cellmates who were lodged with Koberger in
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Speaker 1: the Latah County Sheriff's Office jail in Moscow after his
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Speaker 1: arrest said he loved watching the news coverage about him.
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Speaker 1: According to one cellmate, Koberger said, Wow, I'm on every channel.
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Speaker 1: Another cellmate told police that Koberger enjoyed watching the news
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Speaker 1: about his case unless he began talking about his family
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Speaker 1: or friends, at which point he changed the channel immediately.
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Speaker 1: What friends? This guy didn't have any friends, one or
50:06
Speaker 1: two maybe, but friends? That's a stretch. But as time
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Speaker 1: went on, that cellmate said he stopped watching the news
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Speaker 1: related to this case almost completely. Koberger went through three
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Speaker 1: standard-sized bars of soap a week, both cellmates told police,
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Speaker 1: took hour-long showers, and excessively washed his hands, which were
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Speaker 1: read from the amount of hand-washing he did. And that
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Speaker 1: punishment alone, him being in this environment, is juicy. Dude's
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Speaker 1: a germaphobe. has to always wash his hands, take long showers,
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Speaker 1: and now he's in this disgusting-ass prison? That's a form
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Speaker 1: of torture itself, and I'm here for it. Every bit
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Speaker 1: of uncomfortability for Brian Koberger is a win for society.
50:50
Speaker 1: He also wanted new bedding and clothes every day, the
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Speaker 1: second cellmate told police. Imagine, let me get some new
50:57
Speaker 1: bedding and new clothes every day, and you're in jail?
51:01
Speaker 1: I'm sure that went over well. And imagine when he
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Speaker 1: ends up in a cell with somebody? and he starts
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Speaker 1: trying to wash his hands, at all hours of the night,
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Speaker 1: acting like a moron, how long before one of those
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Speaker 1: cellmates teaches him a lesson? My guess is, not very long.
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Speaker 1: And hopefully, if that day ever comes, the cellmate says
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Speaker 1: to him, after he's done tuning him up, don't worry Brian,
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