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- 0:05Take me with you tie me to the foot of your bed and feed me
- 0:09on you. Let me pick up the hairs you leave in the shower,
- 0:13your dirty dishes and the phlegms you cast out every morning. If you'
- 0:16re not going to love me anymore, lend me your mother, I'
- 0:20m worth whatever flesh is in your flesh. Ansia enar alvarez in word authors
- 0:24with rose. Welcome, well found. Thank you very much. Jobah you
- 0:28' ve read it, I know you' ve written it myself, but
- 0:31it strikes me. I mean, it' s art. Yeah, yeah,
- 0:33yeah, yeah. It' s very strong what I' ve read
- 0:36and you have to be very desperate to, as I say, beg,
- 0:43even if it' s that kind of action, because it can' t
- 0:45be sweet. No, I think a person gets to that point, that
- 0:49I don' t think it' s that weird to actually get there when
- 0:54there' s a lot of circumstances I don' t even think it'
- 1:00s a matter of love or that love I think you' re depressed with
- 1:06self- esteem on the floor, feeling that life either, you' re
- 1:07like wanting to grab a burning nail. So that' s why you get
- 1:10to think like that kind of thing, because you feel like you' re
- 1:14so lonely that no one' s gonna want you that if that person doesn
- 1:15' t come back, there' s the only thing you could hold on
- 1:17to. Your life is over and that' s why, all of a
- 1:21sudden, they start out like all that kind of thinking, losing shape,
- 1:25but they don' t break it. Losing the way for a reason yes,
- 1:26yes, very important, very important, well is that many times they
- 1:29tell you this not good, these things that tell us so much that you
- 1:34get hysterical, or suddenly it is that he has yelled at me a lot
- 1:38and this saying that is clearly addressed to women. The place the shapes.
- 1:44You lose reason is like a man and lose shapes. But the reason honey
- 1:47is now I still have, I mean you' re not gonna take it
- 1:49away from me, that is, in which head that fits already I think
- 1:53anxious. It' s Natalia, dominated by her impulses and doomed to misbehave.
- 1:57If you look in the mirror, if you repair your wrinkles, you
- 2:00just found out you' re old. If you look at yourself, if
- 2:05you stop and discover this, you may have just been left for someone younger,
- 2:10possibly just left for someone younger, or you' re possibly having problems
- 2:16in any area of your life, that is, in morals, in family,
- 2:20is that with your friendships. I think this thing that we have women
- 2:25who have brought us down Maria Aire that we only have valeras and we are
- 2:30young. I think that fear, that in the end, as we'
- 2:36ve been put in so many ways, is in each of us, even
- 2:40the safest. That' s it, and I think that when there'
- 2:46s some pillar of your life that' s wobbly, then it comes out,
- 2:50that and others, that is. But I think this is one of
- 2:51those that we all have, because besides that I think we' ve all
- 2:54lived what it' s like to be very young and that everyone listens to
- 3:00you grow up and that case disappears or goes down. And I think so,
- 3:07which has to do with society' s conception of an adult woman,
- 3:12yes, which I think is like an older man has prestige and culture and
- 3:17is a little bit of wisdom and an older woman is an old woman.
- 3:27So this is what we' re going to do And it' s like,
- 3:30of course, obviously, we' re there, like we' re
- 3:35fighting hard so this doesn' t happen and so that this changes. And
- 3:36then, as we see it and have lived it, we have it and
- 3:38that' s what I tell you as soon as something fails that fear,
- 3:43like so many others, because they emerge. And then he asks you if
- 3:45I can' t manage my body, how am I going to manage the
- 3:49battle that is life. It' s one of the questions he talks about
- 3:51in the book. Yeah, that' s right. That' s right.
- 3:53Yes, In fact, it happens I have also read to him once
- 3:57that the obsessive disorders that have to do with eating are also related to that,
- 4:03with which, suddenly, the person who suffers it needs to feel that
- 4:08it has the absolute control that can dominate something or related to beauty, because
- 4:13in the book is this topic, as you asked me before, the feeling
- 4:15of control is very present. You make yourself feel safe, like when little
- 4:26kids who just want to watch the same movie. All the time it'
- 4:29s about a security issue, I don' t know who to face anything
- 4:31new. That' s why they want to see Garfield every day of his
- 4:35Atlantean life. You know for as long as it is, and then I
- 4:40think it happens with us that all of a sudden, if you feel that
- 4:43there' s something you can control and it' s your body, and
- 4:47it almost always has to do with body stuff, it makes you get hold
- 4:49of something. But of course, that generates more than disorder and shit.
- 4:56You' ve talked about men. You say. Men are clumsy and selfish
- 4:58and women are childish beings who did not know how to express their feelings or
- 5:03explain what they liked in bed, because they have taken care to tell us
- 5:08that no, that we do not like to fuck that it' s whores
- 5:12they want and she is aware still worth. That' s a thought of
- 5:15the protagonist. Of course, the novel is fiction. I mean, I
- 5:18mean, there are a lot of things that aren' t my thoughts at
- 5:23all, which are things that I' ve placed in each of the characters.
- 5:25But well, in this case, the protagonist what she' s doing
- 5:30is she' s read an article. She is also a writer and has
- 5:33read an article by a writer she has always admired, who has written a
- 5:41very cruel column about her book and besides, be like judging her because she
- 5:46said like she appeared, like a lot of sex appeared in the book and
- 5:49so on, and it seems like it' s a good thing that he
- 5:54actually says it' s a thing to say that it' s very current,
- 5:58because women only know how to talk about sex and I don' t
- 6:00know what as if they haven' t been born of text in their works
- 6:01or things like that. And then what you' re doing there is a
- 6:03little bit like venting your anger from first having a feeling of joy, because
- 6:08someone they look at has read their works, There are those who and have
- 6:12written about it and suddenly, the disappointment of finding that it has made you
- 6:15as an already manicured criticism of you know how all these other people who feel
- 6:25threatened because fifty percent of the population now also have a voice. So that
- 6:28' s what makes it true. We have to say that nat Natalia has
- 6:32a partner, has a son and just lost the relationship with her lover.
- 6:36Yeah, that' s the character, that' s the starting point,
- 6:40and the one that' s counting, the one that' s telling the
- 6:44story and having situations, I' m going to say funny, but they
- 6:46' re also real. It' s a little parenthesis of something that you
- 6:47tell me has done, also smile and it' s going to a parent
- 6:50' s ring. And the purpose of that quarter is to learn how to
- 6:56clean your brats by yourself and tie your shoes. Yeah, real chapter,
- 7:00yeah, man so real he must say one thing is real, because I
- 7:04' ve been told. That' s why I' m telling you this
- 7:08whole hobby, because I haven' t gone to any peace gathering at all.
- 7:12I' m not on the parents' whatsapp. These are things in
- 7:15fact told me by my son' s father who tells me good for an
- 7:17hour today they have had me telling me that they are going to teach them
- 7:20to give the shoes and I and what you did you know then, to
- 7:26look at the motive to hide and I to ok. But yes, yes,
- 7:28real, real, Real, a girl who has just separated with a
- 7:30small child, a relationship that they know from very young and that suddenly,
- 7:35surprised that she wants to live, yes, open her area of friends,
- 7:41having some kind of relationship surprises society is also surprised by that. Yes,
- 7:46of course, of course society is surprised. In fact, Jode Anda that
- 7:50we haven' t seen a lot of popular women who have been mothers and
- 7:56who suddenly put on Instagram, because today I' m having dinner that such
- 8:01and the avalanche of comments where your son is again with his father and such
- 8:07a host is that you stay in check, eh of the number of people
- 8:11that still have like those thoughts. Yes, yes, yes, of course,
- 8:15if it is that I a little bit in the novel, in Natalia
- 8:18' s character, especially at the beginning that is when I contextualize who she
- 8:24is, I have tried how to show also all the since she is young,
- 8:31doing like some flashbacks, all the sequences of violence that she has lived
- 8:35by being a woman and that pass completely that perceived as if it was a
- 8:39thing that is completely normal, that no one gives her any kind of importance,
- 8:43but that they are staying inside and that they are hurting you. Then
- 8:46of course, she already responds to all these things. When it happens to
- 8:50her that she was a lover, it leaves her like the drop that fills
- 8:52the glass. And in reality, she is a well of frustration and rage
- 8:56and anger and pain and things she has understood for a long time and that
- 9:01I no longer want to understand. Naty' s father is the most shameless
- 9:07person he' s ever met. Yeah, the father- daughter relationship,
- 9:16so taking you the albar luegar park look says a lot. That comes out
- 9:20in the first chapter of the book. And this first chapter was going up,
- 9:26that is, we put it up for people to read before the novel
- 9:28was for sale. You can' t imagine how many messages I got from
- 9:35that sequence. I' ve lived it, but I' m talking about
- 9:39many, many of my God when I read it, I thought you saw
- 9:45me through a hole of shit. And it' s true that I really
- 9:50like to read and watch movies and I' ve consumed a lot of culture
- 9:56in this fucking sense is that always the figure of the bad mom guy,
- 10:01that is, it' s there, like, in a lot of works
- 10:07there are justified problems that people have, because either by an absent mother or
- 10:11by an overprotective mother or by a cuckoo mother, that is, it'
- 10:16s that this is the bread of every day, because in my life,
- 10:18in my day to day, I don' t see that. Obviously,
- 10:22there are mothers who are like this, but that the vast majority of people
- 10:26around me who have problems have been because of problems with their parents. And
- 10:28yet life, cultural life, does not convey that message of fact to you
- 10:33the other way around. It' s like maybe the father disappears and comes
- 10:37back at age eighteen, when the kid' s eighteen, he' s
- 10:39raised, he shits and pisses and all of a sudden, the kid'
- 10:43s super happy because his dad' s back and you say well, forgive
- 10:48me this isn' t so. So, well, like many times I
- 10:50' ve talked to many friends, because I have many friends, missing friends,
- 10:54friends who made their mothers pregnant and never knew and came back when they
- 10:58were thirty years old, friends, tiresomes, inverts. Whenever I have it,
- 11:01I' ve lived it around me. Well, well, well,
- 11:05that scene goes in,' cause it' s something that I think is
- 11:07very real. Also two hundred and fifteen books, a natural abortion, two
- 11:15promotions and a wide experience dealing with Asshole. Yeah, another character. Yeah,
- 11:18the editor is my favorite character in the book. Truth be told,
- 11:24the only one who' s a good person. I also believe, you
- 11:28say over- egos. He' d become a masterful hobby, that is,
- 11:31he' s the Persian. Of course, if you can' t
- 11:33work in an editorial, you know, if you don' t know how
- 11:37to deal with people' s aps, you have a completely delusional thing.
- 11:41I' m including myself is a man. Of course, you, imagine
- 11:43how wrong it is to deal with people all the time It seems to me
- 11:48that it is very tiring. Nat is a writer. Yes, it is
- 11:52presented at the book fair Forgiveness, it is presented at Sant Jordin. Yeah,
- 11:56he' s a resounding success. Yes, and then clumsy, selfish
- 12:03men appear. Yeah, well, I know they' re actually scared men.
- 12:09Yes, because it' s like the character we talked about before this
- 12:11other writer, who are scared men, because suddenly they feel, then,
- 12:16that they have to compete in bookstores with more women than women written. There
- 12:20' s always been. That' s it, it' s above all
- 12:24very clear. Even you were remembering me and this I' m telling you
- 12:28about many years ago, many years ago I remember that there was a cover
- 12:33of a supplement in a newspaper already starting to get a little effervescent about the
- 12:39fact that women had their eyes on them. Let' s just tell ourselves
- 12:43a few things and bring it up was kind of like the great masters of
- 12:46the lyrics and they find a lot of people and they weren' t moving
- 12:50big and all the people who were on that cover. They were great names,
- 12:54I' m not going to say, but there were great names,
- 12:58they already wanted to sell what you did well to big ones. And then
- 13:01I remember that there are people like moo and where she is, you know,
- 13:03that it' s true that this was happening. And now I think
- 13:09the fear does come from the media actually listening to women, that is,
- 13:13even though women always sold, I think maybe they didn' t repair as
- 13:15much, they didn' t give you as much hype and men by all
- 13:20means you think they are, because they always had their space. So,
- 13:24I think the fear of that comes now, of course, because now brilliant
- 13:26women come and then there will be mediocre men who see that it' s
- 13:30their space. They were occupying a space that didn' t belong to them
- 13:33and then ah they' re going to leave and then I did want to
- 13:39talk a little bit about it. In fact, this character is based on
- 13:41a video that I saw a long time ago from a book fair where there
- 13:48was a man I don' t even remember who he is and a companion
- 13:54next door who had pulled out his book. Then this partner' s tail
- 13:58was super long and his tail was nonexistent, and then there was a journalist
- 14:05who was approaching and the guy wasn' t able to hide, that is,
- 14:11the anger that was at the time the line that was flooding, so
- 14:16surely it' s strong, because if it was another guy, I probably
- 14:22wouldn' t have that pain you know, but because I was an aunt,
- 14:26because this is what I also talk about in the book. Of course
- 14:26losing to a man is part of the game, but losing to a woman
- 14:31is a humiliation. In fact, that' s why so many times the
- 14:35parents have told the boys that they don' t beat you that girl runs
- 14:39more than that girl runs more than you see yourself as a humiliation. So,
- 14:43of course, this is moving. Well, then this man couldn'
- 14:46t stand it and when the journalist asked him how about at the fair,
- 14:52because he alluded to the queue his roommate had and said something like that you
- 14:56look at yourself no longer know if writing something good you' re going to
- 15:03sell good. He made some very ugly comments, as he also, as
- 15:07a fact, that his partner was a minor obrite and don' t miss
- 15:11it that the journalist started to ask the people in line why he preferred her
- 15:16book to his book, I mean, well, I just thought, that
- 15:20' s to see, but embarrassing you know and good people. The lord
- 15:24you' re telling me because I love it, because I love it,
- 15:28that is, what it' s about then was like clear wow, that
- 15:30is, they' ve been told so much this thing since they were kids
- 15:33that they don' t beat you this girl who now of course see it
- 15:37as a terrible humiliation. They can' t stand it. So, this
- 15:39was the kind of character I wanted to portray. Let me define it with
- 15:43two phrases that are supposed to. There are people who have to want everything
- 15:46to go well for them to fuck off as far as possible. Why did
- 15:50you just say, why do you bother being ahead of them on the right?
- 15:54It is a humiliation yes, it is very definite, yes, yes,
- 15:58yes, of course these people, when they also feel humiliated and frustrated
- 16:02the hell is that you look for turns. Dangerous, it' s very
- 16:03dangerous, because the only thing you want you to sink, that is,
- 16:07they all don' t care, because of course, as they feel humiliated,
- 16:11then of course not really these people really sell a lot, that come
- 16:15out on all the covers, that they' re going to fuck up and
- 16:21leave us very quiet, yes, yes, yes, the morbidness of an
- 16:25unpleasant physicist in front of a terrace. We don' t say much more,
- 16:27but these profiles also exist. Man, of course they exist like they
- 16:30won' t exist. That' s what' s forbidden, not that
- 16:34it' s done, I think it doesn' t matter exactly. In
- 16:37fact, it' s nice or unpleasant, all of a sudden like the
- 16:41feeling that you can have power, yes, that' s kind of like
- 16:48a meeting, because that' s through the window, in the distance or
- 16:51looking at you with someone in a fucking bar. I think that has an
- 16:52unbridled appeal. Let' s go back again what we talked about at first
- 17:00that if you suddenly find yourself a little bit self- esteem on the floor
- 17:07and any gesture that indicates that there' s a person who' s feeling
- 17:11attracted to you, I think it becomes an irresistible claim. That' s
- 17:18how I think hot revenge is Maybe the only thing left for the adults of
- 17:22the child we were growing up to do is calibrate the consequences. But what
- 17:26you just said if you get caught hot, you' re back to being
- 17:30I love that boy or that girl yes and don' t calibrate, not
- 17:34pounds. Then I do love the truth I do. Yeah, I just
- 17:38think you have. It' s true that that only leads to disaster,
- 17:42I mean, because that only leads you in the end to step on a
- 17:47puddle and fang up to your neck. But it' s true that there
- 17:52' s a special taste in doing something, even if it' s bad,
- 18:00that has to do with revenge the moment you feel like it. I
- 18:02mean, I think the adrenaline you generate and the relaxation you have left those
- 18:07first few seconds. I don' t think there' s any pleasant feeling.
- 18:11Come on, not even an organism or similar to that then comes the
- 18:15guilt, the elia or dealing with the consequences. But in the moment we
- 18:19go. That' s priceless. Karma exists only that does not work,
- 18:25as people would like. Yeah, it' s just that I feel,
- 18:30I look, I live in the media like all the people in this room
- 18:33and we know this is a nest of motherfuckers who do super well. Then
- 18:40of course, they' re doing amazing. In fact, then when they
- 18:41tell you this about karma, karma doesn' t look. Karmas is a
- 18:45thing that tells powerful people to fight crumbs and leave them alone. He'
- 18:52s practicing the puttish son quietly. You know how all these phrases of sharing,
- 18:57living, all these things, it' s super- heavy. The
- 19:03important thing is to participate clearly, in the meantime, I win, while
- 19:07they tell us to important image participate so that if we lose we don'
- 19:10t touch the balls, don' t look at this isn' t it
- 19:11like that? This is not like that in any of the ways, so
- 19:15I also wanted to, like writing in the book a little bit this not
- 19:17karma. Karma is that if you' re a son of a bitch,
- 19:21you' re doing great, that' s the real karma that you have,
- 19:25the more power you have and the more you can accumulate, the more
- 19:29you can manage and the better you do. But that' s a crushing
- 19:30reality. Then when they come to you with things of these that are very
- 19:33linked to religions and to maintain a social concord, for hear that it is
- 19:38cool, but don' t sell me the bike. You know that for
- 19:41nothing you say writing about a girl who wants to be free and doesn'
- 19:45t get judged, treated, like everybody else, it' s the same
- 19:49as being a whore and writing like a whore. Yeah, no. No.
- 19:52If so, it is true, that you only want to be left
- 19:55alone, but not in the end people continue to judge you based on parameters
- 19:56and social archetypes. It' s just like that. We were clear a
- 20:03moment ago what the carnal is. It' s clear to us. Yes,
- 20:06fate, because you also speak you say when you no longer need help
- 20:11from fate, you can alone better. We don' t need fate that
- 20:15much. You can' t just stop and actually look at what I think
- 20:22thinking all the time about the future is a brutal brake, in fact,
- 20:26I do believe, but at the same time it' s clear that all
- 20:29the time it' s like this duality that it would be so cool to
- 20:34be able to live a little bit a day, to put it some way,
- 20:37but fuck. In the end, we live in a capitalist society that,
- 20:41since you don' t have things tied up and worry about the future,
- 20:45you end up under a bridge, then it' s true that I
- 20:49do mean if I wanted to put it on the lead, but that it
- 20:52' s true that this is a thing that I think a lot too and
- 20:57more to me that I like to fuck with me that I know there'
- 21:02s nothing that I' m going to be afraid to be with my friends
- 21:04from fara or to travel or wherever, and to have to be as always,
- 21:07dealing with him now or after. But I do believe that the future,
- 21:10just as it is important to keep it in mind, I also think
- 21:12that constantly thinking about the future is a brake, it is a constant brake
- 21:18and that I also feel sorry that we all have to live it so tied
- 21:22up, that is, I think it has been lost as emotional spontaneity.
- 21:26You know or something, because you have to be, like, all the
- 21:30time, calibrating the consequences. That' s why you read me before the
- 21:33paragraph, that I remember that perfectly, because I really liked what I closed
- 21:37saying were the barbaric decisions, that it' s like the decisions you make
- 21:41when you' re a kid, like putting a cabbage plastic through your nose
- 21:47that reaches your brain. And it' s like you' ve done that
- 21:49good,' cause, yeah,' cause I was glad to stick in
- 21:52a platter and what' s the nose. You know how it is,
- 21:56and then I kind of feel sorry for it, but every time I see
- 21:57it necessary. I don' t know how to get into that crave loop.
- 22:03You say perfectly throughout the book that it means to you craving but you
- 22:08would add something more to me, for notice Ansia. To me it is
- 22:14a word that a priori might seem like something bad, but it seems to
- 22:18me to be a good thing. Precisely because of what we' re talking
- 22:22about is that I like to be anxious, because I think I' m
- 22:25very passionate. The truth is that I like it because, moreover, I
- 22:29feel that the day I lost the passion for things I would live life in
- 22:33a way because I do not know how more anodyne, as such, and
- 22:36the things that generate me craving, that generate me, desire that give me
- 22:38pleasure. I like it, it makes me feel alive, that' s
- 22:48true, that' s what I talk about in the book, that when
- 22:48that gets out of hand, because you start trampling puddles and a fangart.
- 22:55But a priori and for me it is not a word that, knowing how
- 22:59to control things has as a pejorative burden. Even if I do, I
- 23:06agree, it makes you feel alive. Thank you, Vivas. I feel
- 23:08the same way. How cool is a pleasure, because thank you very much,
- 23:12Rosa, thanks to you