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The Late Debate | 13 March · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Late welcome, late pay.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer
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Speaker 2: and filling in for kleab Bond is Joe Hildebrand. A
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Speaker 2: lot to get through tonight, including Californian Governor Gavin Newsom
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Speaker 2: funds a massive statue. Guess who it's of. We'll confirm
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Speaker 2: your suspicions a little later in the program. Plus, when
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Speaker 2: we look at what's making news tomorrow, new data shows
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Speaker 2: just how badly our children were affected by COVID restrictions,
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Speaker 2: and police name the person they allege is responsible for
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Speaker 2: the fake caravan terror plot. All of that and more
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Speaker 2: when we look at what's making news tomorrow. But first,
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Speaker 2: here's a question that the Labor Party need to answer.
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Speaker 2: Was it racial profiling or was it just a normal
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Speaker 2: part of modern politics where the community is divided up
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Speaker 2: into voting blocks. Labour need to answer that question because
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Speaker 2: they held a Chinese only town hall meeting in the
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Speaker 2: Melbourne suburb of box Hill last night. Now, local residents
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Speaker 2: in box Hill received a pamphlet in their letterboxes inviting
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Speaker 2: them to hear Foreign Minister Penny Wong and Victorian Premier
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Speaker 2: or former Victorian Premier Dan Andrews address quote concerns for
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Speaker 2: the Chinese community. But when non Chinese residents showed up
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Speaker 2: and tried to enter the meeting, they were told they
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Speaker 2: couldn't do so without a valid ticket, and to have
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Speaker 2: a valid ticket, you could only access it via the
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Speaker 2: social Chinese social networking app we chat. Here's what happened
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Speaker 2: when non Chinese people tried to get into the event.
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Speaker 3: And I said that I'll sign in now, happy to
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Speaker 3: sign in now?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're happy to sign in.
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Speaker 4: They're only allowing people of a very specific archetype in
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Speaker 4: these doors.
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Speaker 1: It's a closed doors meeting.
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Speaker 2: Would yeah to.
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Speaker 5: Attend what's a public meeting? But apparently if you've got
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Speaker 5: a tip pick.
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Speaker 6: Is a posit balad.
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Speaker 2: We just said, that's not with us, that's not that's
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Speaker 2: some part of this event.
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Speaker 5: Well, so locals are getting these in the mail and
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Speaker 5: they're coming here, registering their name, registering their dress, talking
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Speaker 5: to the police, not being allowed any closed doors.
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Speaker 7: Tony Wong, why has Labour being restricting freedom of speech
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Speaker 7: for Australians?
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Speaker 1: Can you answer to that? Why weren't Australians.
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Speaker 2: Allowed in tonight to this event? Why we are only
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Speaker 2: Chinese people allowed in doesn't look good, does it. When
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Speaker 2: Labor asked what on earth is going on, they put
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Speaker 2: out this statement, the event was organized as part of
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Speaker 2: Labour's outreach to the Chinese community to understand their concerns
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Speaker 2: ahead of the federal election. Connecting with multicultural communities is
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Speaker 2: normal and important for any political party. Then they went
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Speaker 2: on to say, it's unfortunate that protesters sought to disrupt
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Speaker 2: the event. We thank Victoria Police for ensuring the event
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Speaker 2: was able to proceed safely. Now it's true, there are
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Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty people protesting outside the event.
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Speaker 2: They were protesting the presence of Dan Andrews, and I
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Speaker 2: think we would all agree, go you good thing. They
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Speaker 2: were also protesting the Chinese Communist Party. The Labor organizers
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Speaker 2: say that it was protesters trying to get into the
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Speaker 2: event to disrupt it. Those trying to get into the
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Speaker 2: event say no, no, they were just normal residents. Here's
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Speaker 2: Christopher Bruin who disputes the Labor Party account of what happened.
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Speaker 2: He spoke to Andrew Bolt earlier this evening.
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Speaker 8: There's multiple videos that I published which include a police
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Speaker 8: officer walking over to the protesters to check everything's okay,
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Speaker 8: and then the protester laughing and saying no worries. The
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Speaker 8: police needed them to move in a certain direction. That
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Speaker 8: was happy to I cover protests. I cover riots. If
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Speaker 8: you have protesters who are going to cause a problem,
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Speaker 8: they don't do what police ask they don't laugh. In
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Speaker 8: spianshe yeah, no worries, We'll move over here. Yeah no,
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Speaker 8: always will go over there. They start arguing with the police.
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Speaker 2: So there's a fair bit going on here, Joe and Liz.
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Speaker 2: The bottom line for me is, I mean, if labor
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Speaker 2: want to hold meetings with a particular group, whether it's
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Speaker 2: Chinese or Christians or pensioners, and only that group, then
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Speaker 2: they're free to do so. It's called freedom of association.
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Speaker 2: Then again, just because you can doesn't mean you should,
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Speaker 2: and just because something's permissible doesn't mean it's wise. It's
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Speaker 2: not a good look for Labor, particularly when they're making
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Speaker 2: such a big deal of social cohesion and we've got
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Speaker 2: to bring everybody together then to be dividing people by race,
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Speaker 2: and perhaps more so when there are tensions and I'm
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Speaker 2: not talking about Chinese Australians, but there are tensions between
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Speaker 2: Australia and the Nation of China. Not a good look.
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Speaker 5: No, well it's worse than not a good look. Sure
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Speaker 5: you can hold a campaign event, which, let's be honest,
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Speaker 5: that's what this is, to shill for votes in a
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Speaker 5: particular cultural society. But it's another thing entirely to then
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Speaker 5: refuse entry to anyone who isn't Chinese. These are public servants,
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Speaker 5: we pay them, we elect them to serve us. We
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Speaker 5: ought to have equal access at all times. Now, this
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Speaker 5: is a town hall event, and yes you are targeting
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Speaker 5: the Chinese community in box Hill, understood, go for your life,
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Speaker 5: but you don't get to bar other people from that
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Speaker 5: town hall event. Everyone should have the same access to you.
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Speaker 5: You tell us that, oh we're all Australians and this
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Speaker 5: is the beauty of a multicultural society, and then you
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Speaker 5: want to participate in sectarian politics. No, that's not how
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Speaker 5: this works whatsoever. And even if it was the case,
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Speaker 5: which I think DeBruin debunked this, but let's say it
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Speaker 5: was the case that people had invalid tickets, Since when
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Speaker 5: is this a ticketed event. A town hall held by
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Speaker 5: government officials is open to all in sundry, What were
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Speaker 5: you like vetting people who bought tickets? I doubt it.
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Speaker 5: These people rocked up, they expected to attend, and you
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Speaker 5: saw them there. They weren't being nasty, they weren't being weird,
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Speaker 5: they weren't being rowdy. There was absolutely no good reason
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Speaker 5: to refuse them entry.
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Speaker 1: That is none of that is true. None of that
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Speaker 1: is true.
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Speaker 4: It was an event where people were invited to respond
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Speaker 4: to an invitation. If they did that, they would get
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Speaker 4: a ticket and they would be able to go in.
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Speaker 4: If they didn't, then they didn't have a ticket and
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Speaker 4: they're not able to go in.
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Speaker 1: It's the most the way.
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Speaker 5: I've never heard of a ticketed government held town hall. Really,
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Speaker 5: I have attended countless town halls. I've worked for three MPs.
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Speaker 5: Every Tom, Dick and Harry you can saunter in. It
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Speaker 5: doesn't even I don't think.
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Speaker 4: It's not in the town hall. It's a meeting. It's
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Speaker 4: a meeting with members of the tripes.
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Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, Hence the term town hall, the idea. They
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Speaker 5: even have town halls on the phone. Some of my MPs.
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Speaker 5: These people public access to these members of You.
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Speaker 4: Don't think you can to any event you want to
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Speaker 4: go to just because you want to go there, or
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Speaker 4: just because a politician is in there. I mean, it's
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Speaker 4: like saying I'm going to rock up to the lodge
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Speaker 4: and barge in because the PM's meeting with the Australian cricket.
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Speaker 5: Teams and I were turned away other than being white.
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Speaker 2: A meeting specifically for the Chinese community. So they want
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Speaker 2: to talk to the Chinese.
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Speaker 5: Lets said, We're okay with periodic white Australians.
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Speaker 1: Let's see if they can understand English.
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Speaker 4: Local labor MPs and candidates sincerely invite you to attend
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Speaker 4: as they share the latest developments on issues of concern
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Speaker 4: to the Chinese community, Chinese community. So it says Capital
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Speaker 4: c yet Chinese community meeting Chinese Australians, especially the efforts
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Speaker 4: and acknowledge and achievements of the Federal Labor, Federal Government
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Speaker 4: in improving Australia China relations. With guest speakers the Honorable
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Speaker 4: Senator Penny Wong and former Premier Daniel Andrews. Now, if
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Speaker 4: people want to go out and protest against Daniel Andrews,
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Speaker 4: that's absolutely fine. They can jump up and down and
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Speaker 4: he's you know, he's done some terrible things during COVID,
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Speaker 4: and we're going to talk about one of those horrendous
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Speaker 4: impacts later on in the show. But the idea that
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Speaker 4: just because you're angry about something, or just because you're
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Speaker 4: jumping up and down about an issue, you should be
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Speaker 4: able to bard.
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Speaker 1: They weren't.
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Speaker 9: Even they were just trying to protest.
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Speaker 4: And protesting then they just had to buy a ticket
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Speaker 4: or register a ticket.
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Speaker 1: I don't have to pay for it.
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Speaker 5: No reason why people in the community couldn't simply come along.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely because the ticket.
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Speaker 5: This wasn't a security issue, isn't any kind of I went.
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Speaker 4: To a ticketed event at a local public high school,
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Speaker 4: and you know why, because they put all the people
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Speaker 4: in a building and you're only allowed to have a
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Speaker 4: certain number of people in a building.
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Speaker 5: Well, they haven't even stated that concern.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you should have fed.
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Speaker 3: People who had responded to the event.
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Speaker 5: Sectarian politics, where's your townhole for?
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Speaker 1: They do it the community.
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Speaker 5: Where's your town hall for the European population?
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Speaker 2: All the time politicians, politicians have met with the Jewish
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Speaker 2: community over the concerns they have.
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Speaker 5: That's totally different, and they don't. They meet with different No,
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Speaker 5: and they do meet with different group.
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Speaker 2: That's what they're doing is a town hall to get
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Speaker 2: the town hall description.
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Speaker 1: No, it was called the town hall, I dare.
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Speaker 5: Say you've never even been to one, mac. I've attended
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Speaker 5: countless town halls. The idea is that anyone from the
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Speaker 5: community can come.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so imagine it wasn't called the town hall, it
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Speaker 2: was a meeting with the Chinese community. Would that make
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Speaker 2: it different?
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Speaker 9: What if a few European Australian words in what Chinese
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Speaker 9: saying there has never been a townho So you're saying
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Speaker 9: there has never been a town hall event in which
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Speaker 9: anyone from the public can just show.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying what.
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Speaker 5: I've certainly never attended one where news Crop.
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Speaker 1: At this company, we have town hall events.
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Speaker 2: All the time for news employees.
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Speaker 1: Were wandering way, What if anyone who does, if.
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Speaker 4: You want, anyone who's not from news Crop does get
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Speaker 4: turned away and that.
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Speaker 1: But it's a townhall.
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Speaker 3: You have to let me because it's a town hall,
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Speaker 3: town hall for a particular community, for a particular.
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Speaker 5: I'm sure any Aussies watching tonight who aren't Chinese share
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Speaker 5: my concerns.
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Speaker 2: I'm not Chinese. You have to have just a special.
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Speaker 5: One for Chinese people where.
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Speaker 4: Different different parts of the community.
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Speaker 5: All the time I've been to that sectarian politics in
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Speaker 5: a nutshell. Why are you're assuming, based on the color
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Speaker 5: of someone's skin that they have concerns.
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Speaker 4: It says on the thing, if you have concerns, they're
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Speaker 4: just going to come to this meeting.
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Speaker 5: From the Chinese in the United Yes.
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Speaker 2: They clearly want to speak to the Chinese.
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Speaker 1: Kingland have concerns about these.
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Speaker 2: It's not wrong.
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Speaker 5: But you guys argue the exact opposite. When we're talking about, say,
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Speaker 5: representation in parliament. Oh, we've got to have this many
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Speaker 5: indigenous people. Oh we should have this many Chinese people.
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Speaker 5: Politicians meet and then when politicians want to shield for
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Speaker 5: votes from a particular culture.
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Speaker 2: They do it all the time.
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Speaker 5: They do robbish color of their skin.
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Speaker 2: That's okay. No, politicians meet with different voting blocks all
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Speaker 2: the time from all identity places.
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Speaker 1: Of the community.
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Speaker 5: No, it is one hundred different when they're simply rocking
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Speaker 5: up attending an if Tar dinner, they're simply rocking up
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Speaker 5: participating in Dwali. That is totally different. Yes, they are
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Speaker 5: pressing the flesh with different cultures within our society, but
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Speaker 5: it's totally different.
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Speaker 2: If politicians wanted to meet government.
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Speaker 5: Members and totally saying we just want to meet with
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Speaker 5: the Chinese community in this specific.
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Speaker 2: Politicians said, we just want to meet with the Christian
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Speaker 2: community about concerns Christians have. Oh yeah, well they've never
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Speaker 2: done that, have they? Let me finish an example.
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Speaker 1: That's a great example.
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Speaker 2: I just want to see if the principle that you
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Speaker 2: are espousing follows. If they want to meet with the
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Speaker 2: a whole lot of Christians about concerns the Christian Church
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Speaker 2: have and a whole bunch of atheists want to come in,
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Speaker 2: would that be okay for them to say no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: we want to talk to the Christians specifically about Christian issues.
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Speaker 2: Would that be okay?
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Speaker 5: Well, firstly, that never happens. Where's the town in popularity asking.
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Speaker 2: About the principle of the thing?
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Speaker 5: Principle of the thing is that they don't do that.
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Speaker 5: They simply go to Christian conferences and take the stage.
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Speaker 4: Sources won't be able to walk into those Christian conferences anyone,
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Speaker 4: whether they've got a ticket or not.
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Speaker 5: No, because it's a church holding a conference I am
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Speaker 5: talking about of parliament for the Chinese in this community,
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Speaker 5: sectarian politics.
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Speaker 4: Example that you can go in if you're interested in
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Speaker 4: these things and you've therefore said yes, I'd like a ticket,
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Speaker 4: I'd like to go to this thing. Then you can go.
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Speaker 4: And if you've got your ticket, you're fine.
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Speaker 1: And you have to know that it wasn't a matter
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Speaker 1: of that.
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Speaker 5: We saw the people on the screen. They weren't being
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Speaker 5: argie bargie.
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Speaker 1: They weren't they didn't have a ticket.
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Speaker 5: They thought they had a valid ticket. Clearly a can
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Speaker 5: we told that their tickets were invalid.
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Speaker 2: Let's move on to something. I want to move on
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Speaker 2: to something really important, as important as social cohesion and
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Speaker 2: all of this stuff is let's talk about wombats.
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Speaker 6: One.
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Speaker 2: Bats are really important. In fact, the whole country stopped
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Speaker 2: today to talk about wom bats because an American influencer. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you know what happened, but if you've not
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Speaker 2: seen the footage that this American influencer filmed, his what happened.
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Speaker 6: Just caught a baby one. But look at the mother.
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Speaker 6: It's like, oh cheat it after he.
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Speaker 1: Thank, okay, mama's right there and she has pissed.
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Speaker 10: Let's let him go.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, Anthony Albanese, he's finally found an
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Speaker 2: issue he can get his teeth into. He was quote
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Speaker 2: unquote outraged.
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Speaker 11: Now, I suggested this so called influencer, maybe she might
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Speaker 11: try some other Australian animals. Take a baby crocodile from
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Speaker 11: its mother and see how you go there.
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Speaker 2: Finally, Anthony Albanese found a spine. It was just a
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Speaker 2: pity it was over a wombat. If only he was
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Speaker 2: so concerned about the welfare of Australian people. Immigration Minister
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke, he said he couldn't wait to see the
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Speaker 2: back of Samantha Jones and Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister.
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Speaker 2: She weighed in as well, saying it was a dreadful
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Speaker 2: thing to separate a baby from its mother and she
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Speaker 2: was happy for Tony Burke to take action. Tony Burke,
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Speaker 2: who's done not much at all about the visas of
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Speaker 2: people sprouting all sorts of hatred in our community, is
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Speaker 2: going to review immediately that woman's visa with the idea
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Speaker 2: that she will not be allowed back to Australia if
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Speaker 2: in fact she's already left. What do you make of this, Joe.
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Speaker 4: Wombat deportation is too good for a bring back the
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Speaker 4: death penalty? This is an outrage. How stupid can you be?
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Speaker 4: And obviously the answer is an American, but like, honestly,
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Speaker 4: how stupid would you it? Only just to double that
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Speaker 4: to square that an American influencer. I mean, firstly, she
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Speaker 4: should be deported just for being an influencer. Secondly, she
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Speaker 4: should be deported just for being American. And I'm half American,
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Speaker 4: so I can say that not racist. And thirdly, the wombat, like,
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Speaker 4: this is a country where you can get arrested for
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Speaker 4: bringing in the wrong type of banana, and she thinks
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Speaker 4: it's okay to go and grab a baby wombat.
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Speaker 2: Surely grabbed it for like sixty seconds and then she
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Speaker 2: put it back in. Wombat years were harmed in the filming.
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Speaker 1: Nobody wom bat years sixty seconds is like three and
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Speaker 1: a half months.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't realize that if you're.
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Speaker 1: A baby wombat as a proportion of that, that's lot.
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Speaker 2: This Is it right for our politicians to be all
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Speaker 2: up in arms about this or does it just make
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Speaker 2: a bit of a joke of our political leaders a.
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Speaker 5: Serious country when you've got the highest office in the
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Speaker 5: land talking about some American influence. So grabbing a baby
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Speaker 5: wombat for sixty seconds, maybe you could afford yourself such
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Speaker 5: a luxury alb and easy if we didn't have a
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Speaker 5: housing crisis, a social cohesion and crisis, and energy crisis,
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Speaker 5: a fertility crisis and eighty f recruitment crisis, and I
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Speaker 5: could go on till I was blue in the face,
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Speaker 5: maybe then you would have the luxury of being able
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Speaker 5: to address such a menial issue of zero national importance
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Speaker 5: in this country.
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Speaker 2: But you don't. This is just laughable.
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Speaker 5: This is not a serious leader, This is not a
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Speaker 5: serious man.
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Speaker 2: He should have just gone, I'm.
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Speaker 5: Not addressing that. What the heck have I got to
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Speaker 5: do with wombats, the fact that Tony Burk's coming out
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Speaker 5: so I'm revisiting her visa. Oh yeah, But detainees who
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Speaker 5: have literally murdered and raped people in our country, they
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Speaker 5: get to stay.
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Speaker 9: You won't, won't check.
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Speaker 5: Those guys out. This it's utterly laughable.
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Speaker 2: It's not even worth talking.
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Speaker 4: What about What about when Barnaby Joyce detained pistol and
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Speaker 4: boo from Johnny Depp and Amber heard?
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Speaker 1: Was that also ridiculous reaction?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 2: Yes, she didn't do anything illegal, But I think Anthey
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Speaker 2: Alberizi took the opportunity there to try and unite all
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Speaker 2: Australians because he was, you know, empathetic towards this poor animal,
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Speaker 2: and he thought the winner.
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Speaker 5: Well, if you work in coms, it might be time
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Speaker 5: to diversify your skills because AI has announced that they've
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Speaker 5: got a wonderful model for creative writing and they're about
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Speaker 5: to release it. Can you imagine how many sectors this
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Speaker 5: puts out of a job? Sam Oltman, who's Open AI
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Speaker 5: chief exec, tweeted, We've trained a new model that is
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Speaker 5: good at creative writing. Not sure yet how when it
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Speaker 5: will get released. This is the first time I have
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Speaker 5: been really struck by something written by AI. It got
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Speaker 5: the vibe of metafiction. So right, So if you're a
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Speaker 5: script writer, if you work in comms anywhere, if you're
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Speaker 5: a journal you want to pay careful attention to when
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Speaker 5: and if, as sam Oltman says, this thing will be released,
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Speaker 5: because we've already talked at length about how this thing
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Speaker 5: can write a great email. If you're like I need
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Speaker 5: to fire fifty employees under these circumstances, write something that's
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Speaker 5: really professional, really polite. AI just spits it out within second.
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of people who have already been using this.
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Speaker 5: In fact, even if you're sending a DM or an email. Nowadays,
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Speaker 5: if you're on Instagram, if you're on Facebook, there's a
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Speaker 5: little AI helper saying, hey, do you just tell me
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Speaker 5: what you want to say? I'll write it for you.
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Speaker 5: And if you write it and you feel like it's
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Speaker 5: a little bit clumsy, you can just click on the
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Speaker 5: little AI symbol and AI will be like, here's a
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Speaker 5: better way of saying what you've said. People are loving this,
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Speaker 5: and were's human beings are losing the capacity to communicate
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Speaker 5: with each other at lightning speed. It's frightening. But when
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Speaker 5: you consider this being released a specific creative writing AI,
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Speaker 5: we're talking about a whole different kettle of fish, Like
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Speaker 5: this is its main job, it's what it's been trained
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Speaker 5: to do.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to take off because it's
19:09
Speaker 2: really not creative. It's an aggregate of what everybody else
19:12
Speaker 2: has written, and it's really good until you realize it's AI.
19:16
Speaker 2: And then who wants to read a novel written by AI?
19:20
Speaker 2: Because the emotion is all fake the human experience when
19:26
Speaker 2: you realize and I think we're wowed by what AI
19:30
Speaker 2: can do, but the content becomes meaningless when it's just algorithms.
19:35
Speaker 4: Really well, it does if you know that there algorithms,
19:37
Speaker 4: they're plenty of people who buy I'm not being snobbish
19:39
Speaker 4: about this or whatever, but you know, there are plenty
19:41
Speaker 4: of best selling books that follow a really specific formula.
19:44
Speaker 4: So you even have books that have the so called
19:47
Speaker 4: author's name on the title, but it's not even written
19:49
Speaker 4: by them. It's written by someone else, so like Tom Clancy,
19:52
Speaker 4: you know, actually written by being another Jack whatever it is,
19:55
Speaker 4: or something or one of them. I'm sure AI could
19:59
Speaker 4: do that very easily. But again, this is already AI
20:03
Speaker 4: is writing. It's writing emails. We know it can do that.
20:05
Speaker 4: That actually makes sense because you say, all right, this
20:07
Speaker 4: is you respond to this stimulus.
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Speaker 1: Based on everything you've aggregated from the web.
20:10
Speaker 4: We know that AI is already writing journalism, so it's
20:14
Speaker 4: writing things like sports reports and you probably read it
20:17
Speaker 4: without even knowing that. But to be able to do
20:20
Speaker 4: actual creative writing, to be able to write something that
20:25
Speaker 4: is meant to and the whole purpose of creative writing
20:28
Speaker 4: is that it makes the reader feel empathy with the
20:30
Speaker 4: characters in it, and so you have to feel a connection.
20:34
Speaker 4: If it does this successfully, it means that a human
20:37
Speaker 4: being will be feeling an emotional connection with a robot
20:41
Speaker 4: or with a computer program. Now that is terminator level
20:46
Speaker 4: crazy stuff.
20:47
Speaker 1: That the other problem. If it can do that, then the.
20:50
Speaker 2: Other issue they've not resolved yet here is the copyright issue,
20:53
Speaker 2: because to train AI to write creative novels, the AI
20:57
Speaker 2: has to consume a huge realm of fiction, of news
21:02
Speaker 2: art doing seconds. But New York Times is now suing
21:06
Speaker 2: creators of AI because they've been using New York Times
21:10
Speaker 2: articles and journals to train AI but without permission because
21:14
Speaker 2: it breaches copyright. There's a whole lot of authors who
21:16
Speaker 2: are also launching a class action at the moment. So
21:18
Speaker 2: that's a big issue with AI that they've not yet
21:20
Speaker 2: resolved because you've got to have material to train it,
21:23
Speaker 2: but all of that material is under copyright.
21:25
Speaker 4: But also, nothing is going to be a lightning rod
21:29
Speaker 4: for the public imagination if it's been done before, Like
21:31
Speaker 4: writing Shakespeare again, isn't Shakespeare. Why Shakespeare is amazing is
21:36
Speaker 4: because he was writing something new. He was bringing new
21:39
Speaker 4: ideas about what it meant to be human into the
21:42
Speaker 4: public domain and people were going, oh my god, that's incredible.
21:45
Speaker 4: That's something we've never seen on the stage before. So again,
21:48
Speaker 4: something like, if you take like a high end kind
21:50
Speaker 4: of blockbuster like Hilary Mantell's Wolf Hall, would AI be
21:55
Speaker 4: able to say, instead of just aggregating everything that's been
21:58
Speaker 4: written about the Tudor period, able to say to itself,
22:01
Speaker 4: what would be a really good and popular idea for
22:04
Speaker 4: a novel. Most British people, who are the highest per
22:08
Speaker 4: capita book buying public, are fascinated with the Tutors more
22:12
Speaker 4: than any other period of history, which is all true. Therefore,
22:15
Speaker 4: I'm going to write a fictional history of the Tutors
22:20
Speaker 4: from the opposite point of view that everyone else has
22:22
Speaker 4: already seen it. And I am then going to get
22:25
Speaker 4: inside the head of that protagonist and make him sympathetic
22:29
Speaker 4: to the reader who has already known him as being
22:32
Speaker 4: one of the monsters of history.
22:33
Speaker 1: Now that's what Hillary Mantel did. If AI can do
22:35
Speaker 1: that all over just scamming.
22:39
Speaker 2: Liz, you raised a great question or fair you were
22:41
Speaker 2: talking about the fact that the real thing that AI
22:44
Speaker 2: raises now is what does it actually mean to be human?
22:47
Speaker 2: When robots start doing things that humans do and we
22:51
Speaker 2: can barely tell the difference, the question becomes what really
22:54
Speaker 2: does it mean to be human?
22:56
Speaker 1: And this will be.
22:57
Speaker 5: The question of the twenty first century and for centuries
23:01
Speaker 5: to come if we're around for that long, because this
23:04
Speaker 5: is what we're going to be competing against. Then we've
23:07
Speaker 5: got guys like Elon Musk saying, unless we want to
23:10
Speaker 5: become monkeys on our own planet, we are going to
23:14
Speaker 5: all start having these chips implanted that enable us to
23:18
Speaker 5: keep up with AI. So when I'm sitting here at
23:21
Speaker 5: the desk, I've got every fact and figure in my
23:25
Speaker 5: head ready to go. It's almost like I am reading
23:28
Speaker 5: off my own knowledge base, which isn't human. It's being
23:32
Speaker 5: generated by a chip in my brain. And he's saying,
23:35
Speaker 5: those who will refuse the chip, you're just going to
23:39
Speaker 5: be left behind it when.
23:40
Speaker 4: We become a monkey. This is if AI become the humans. Sorry,
23:43
Speaker 4: what he's saying is there will be an advanced species
23:46
Speaker 4: and advanced rate of AI that will be the Well.
23:49
Speaker 5: This is the first time in human history that we
23:52
Speaker 5: have created something with the capacity to become far smarter
23:56
Speaker 5: than us. We have been the smartest beings on the
23:58
Speaker 5: planet for as long as we know, and now we're
24:00
Speaker 5: dumb enough to invent something that could overpower us. To Syria,
24:05
Speaker 5: Now where sources on the ground say the death count
24:08
Speaker 5: is more like ten to twelve thousand, following absolutely savage
24:14
Speaker 5: rounds from the terrorists that now run the country following
24:20
Speaker 5: the fall of the Assad regime. Now, you were probably
24:23
Speaker 5: told at the time that the fall of the Assad
24:25
Speaker 5: regime was a great thing, because what a bad regime
24:30
Speaker 5: it was. As I've told you several times, these terrorists
24:35
Speaker 5: that toppled said regime were backed by both the US
24:39
Speaker 5: and Israel for many years.
24:42
Speaker 2: This was a coup.
24:43
Speaker 5: It was not something that happened organically. And today I
24:48
Speaker 5: found a clip from two thand and fifteen, a whole
24:51
Speaker 5: decade ago, of Donald J. Trump saying, hang on a minute.
24:56
Speaker 5: These terrorists that my country is funding, how do we
25:01
Speaker 5: know that they're going to be better than a SAD.
25:06
Speaker 12: Let Isis and Syria fight and let Russia. They're in
25:11
Speaker 12: Syria already. Let them fight Isis. I've watched a SAD,
25:15
Speaker 12: and I've watched a little bit on the other side.
25:17
Speaker 12: The problem is the other side of a side. We
25:19
Speaker 12: have no idea who they are. They probably are racist,
25:22
Speaker 12: I'm saying, are we been off with a side? We
25:24
Speaker 12: have no idea who these people are.
25:27
Speaker 5: Those words have proved prophetic. But what is actually hard
25:32
Speaker 5: to believe, not if you've read the books I have
25:34
Speaker 5: about the CIA world tour, as we colloquially put it.
25:38
Speaker 5: But what a lot of people find hard to believe
25:41
Speaker 5: is that, indeed the terrorist rampaging through Syria now leveling
25:46
Speaker 5: entire villages, if the people on the ground can be believed,
25:50
Speaker 5: and trust me, if you've seen the footage I've seen
25:53
Speaker 5: of bodies strewn on roads, mass graves, it's pretty believable.
25:58
Speaker 5: This is dark hier times. People find it very hard
26:02
Speaker 5: to believe that this is the doing of the US government,
26:07
Speaker 5: aided and embedded by Israel because they decided it suited
26:10
Speaker 5: their purposes better for Syria to be a failed state
26:14
Speaker 5: run by terrorists. Now, this isn't a once off. The
26:19
Speaker 5: CIA has done this many times over. Here's Representative Ron Paul.
26:24
Speaker 5: He's a Republican talking way back in two thousand and
26:28
Speaker 5: nine about historically, funding terrorists to do the West's sturdy
26:33
Speaker 5: work hasn't gone well for US.
26:37
Speaker 1: You know Hamas.
26:38
Speaker 10: If you look at the history, you will find out
26:40
Speaker 10: that Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel because
26:44
Speaker 10: they wanted Hamas to counteract. Yeah, Sir our fact he
26:48
Speaker 10: said we are That was better then and served as purpose.
26:51
Speaker 2: But we didn't want Hamas to do this.
26:53
Speaker 10: So then we as Americans say, well, we have such
26:57
Speaker 10: a good system, We're going to impose this on the world.
27:00
Speaker 10: We're going to invade Iraq and teach people how to
27:02
Speaker 10: be democrats. We want free elections, so we encourage the
27:06
Speaker 10: Palestinians to have a free election.
27:07
Speaker 2: They do and they elect Harmas.
27:09
Speaker 10: So we first indirectly and directly through Israel, help establish Hamas.
27:14
Speaker 10: Then we have election that Hamas becomes dominant, so we
27:17
Speaker 10: have to kill them.
27:18
Speaker 2: You know, it just doesn't make sense.
27:22
Speaker 5: We did it in Libya with Gaddafi, we did it
27:24
Speaker 5: in Iraq with Saddam Hussein. And one thing that it's
27:27
Speaker 5: true of each and every single one of these countries
27:30
Speaker 5: is they're not better off today having the West having
27:35
Speaker 5: gone in there being like we're bringing democracy to her
27:38
Speaker 5: country near you. We just want to spread human rights.
27:41
Speaker 5: This isn't about our vested interests in the area at all.
27:44
Speaker 5: We're just here to do good things and liberate the people. Again,
27:49
Speaker 5: if you look at any one of these countries, they're
27:52
Speaker 5: not better off, and here we are once again seeing
27:57
Speaker 5: this play out in Syria without being slaughtered. And this
28:02
Speaker 5: is why I've heard so many people be like, why
28:04
Speaker 5: is the media so silent about this? The media is
28:07
Speaker 5: silent because they cherry picked stories. And this story is
28:12
Speaker 5: a story of Western imperialism gone wrong.
28:16
Speaker 2: Once again.
28:17
Speaker 5: You got rid of one bad regime and you thought
28:20
Speaker 5: that they'd be better off under terrorists. Sat the twenty
28:24
Speaker 5: four million Syrians, they can just live with it now.
28:26
Speaker 5: Who cares we are there to save the day. It
28:31
Speaker 5: is unthinkable. It is absolutely unthinkable that we are still
28:36
Speaker 5: doing this.
28:36
Speaker 4: I think, well, the problem, I mean, Western imperialism, you
28:39
Speaker 4: could argue, is responsible for everything that's gone wrong with
28:41
Speaker 4: the Middle East, except that they were all fighting each
28:43
Speaker 4: other long before the West came along.
28:45
Speaker 1: But the problem that.
28:47
Speaker 2: Small interjection there.
28:49
Speaker 5: I remember, I still remember an article in the La
28:51
Speaker 5: Times in twenty sixteen that busted wide open the fact
28:56
Speaker 5: that there were Pentagon terrorists in Syria, fight in CIA
29:01
Speaker 5: funded terrorists in Syria. So even with you saying, oh, well,
29:05
Speaker 5: you know they were fighting amongst themselves long before we
29:08
Speaker 5: got involved, even that is just it's it's nonsense. The
29:12
Speaker 5: West creates these all the terrorists are fighting, We have
29:16
Speaker 5: to get in there and fix it.
29:17
Speaker 4: Well, there's different things going on, So there's there's there's
29:20
Speaker 4: whether or not you've got an official national US national policy,
29:24
Speaker 4: or whether you're talking about COVID operations done by the CIA.
29:27
Speaker 4: They're always what the CIA, what the well the war
29:29
Speaker 4: in Iraq wasn't. But what the CIA does is go in.
29:33
Speaker 4: It finds divisions that are already there, will find opposition
29:36
Speaker 4: parties that it thinks could be a viable alternative to
29:39
Speaker 4: a regime they don't like, and they basically encourage them.
29:42
Speaker 4: They help them out with propaganda, they help them out
29:44
Speaker 4: with arms, and they usually just you know, support something
29:47
Speaker 4: that's already there. So it's not like them and booclav
29:50
Speaker 4: is running around doing cups. And they've done heaps of
29:52
Speaker 4: that stuff in South America and Central America. They've certainly
29:56
Speaker 4: done it in Syria.
29:57
Speaker 1: And I remember very much. I remember, I remember. I
30:00
Speaker 1: mean a side was no picnic either.
30:02
Speaker 4: I mean a side killed well over a thousand people
30:05
Speaker 4: and millions more have died and been displaced since. But
30:10
Speaker 4: the problem is, and this is the problem with the
30:12
Speaker 4: Arab Spring, and that started springing up everywhere from Guenesia.
30:17
Speaker 1: And Libya Egypt as well.
30:19
Speaker 4: The same thing happened Syria is that it's often started
30:23
Speaker 4: by students. Is often started by pro democracy, pro West
30:27
Speaker 4: students who want what the West has got, who want
30:29
Speaker 4: more freedoms from an oppressive, dictatorial regime. But those movements
30:33
Speaker 4: are almost immediately infiltrated by extremists. So you've got the
30:38
Speaker 4: Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in particular, and then you've got outfits.
30:41
Speaker 1: That either are or related to.
30:45
Speaker 2: Let's start those student movements.
30:47
Speaker 4: But no, the student movements, the student movements, the CIA
30:51
Speaker 4: is not behind the Arab Spring. I can promise you
30:53
Speaker 4: that would have people in there who might be encouraging
30:55
Speaker 4: certain prayers. But they want what an obamastration wants, or
31:01
Speaker 4: whoever a US administration wants, is to replace the Assad
31:05
Speaker 4: regime with a regime that is better and more democratic
31:08
Speaker 4: and more disposed to Western interests.
31:10
Speaker 1: The problem is that.
31:11
Speaker 5: It's their own interests, yes, every time disgusting.
31:16
Speaker 4: The point is that the point is that these movements
31:20
Speaker 4: get infiltrated by terrorists, by ISIS or al Qaida or Brotherhood, whatever,
31:25
Speaker 4: and whatever assistance America gives covertly or overtly to these regimes.
31:31
Speaker 1: Almost instantly goes.
31:33
Speaker 4: So when a FORMACYIA guy at the time spoke about
31:36
Speaker 4: it and said, the problem is you give a gun
31:38
Speaker 4: to a moderate and that gun immediately ends up in
31:40
Speaker 4: the hands of an extremists because the extremist simply takes
31:43
Speaker 4: it and says, give me that.
31:43
Speaker 1: Gun, I'll kill your entire family. And that's how it goes.
31:46
Speaker 2: And so we know that wasn't the moderates in Syria.
31:49
Speaker 1: Not the case in Syria. That is exactly what.
31:52
Speaker 5: I Sycamore was the most expensive. The US sunk a
31:56
Speaker 5: billion dollars into arming and training these terrors.
32:00
Speaker 2: These exact the.
32:03
Speaker 4: Free Syrian Army started up. It was a pro freedom movement,
32:07
Speaker 4: the pro liberal movement, and it got immediately taken over
32:09
Speaker 4: by a whole bunch of different factions, including some who
32:12
Speaker 4: are aligned with ISIS, some who are aligned with l Qada,
32:14
Speaker 4: some aligned with other extreme groups, and they all get
32:17
Speaker 4: mixed up. It's not the CIA is not going around saying, oh,
32:19
Speaker 4: what crazy Islamist terror group can we give all our
32:22
Speaker 4: money to. It's a bit more complicated than that, but yes,
32:25
Speaker 4: it does have the result of creating.
32:29
Speaker 1: Terrorists is new ones. I'm sure.
32:31
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was the case.
32:35
Speaker 5: Absolutely, this is what both lots of terrorists.
32:38
Speaker 1: That's right.
32:39
Speaker 4: So you give you give money or arms or whatever
32:43
Speaker 4: it is to a group that you think is moderate,
32:46
Speaker 4: and then it ends up being why are you.
32:47
Speaker 5: Giving weapons to someone in Syria in the first place?
32:51
Speaker 1: Because of people?
32:54
Speaker 5: No, he didn't. I think father John Whiteford's tweet. He's
32:59
Speaker 5: obviously a father, he's a Christian himself, and this tweet
33:04
Speaker 5: has been shared by My goodness, I've lost count of
33:07
Speaker 5: how many shares. He's summed it up perfectly. He says,
33:10
Speaker 5: as you see the unfolding tragedy in Syria, keep in mind,
33:14
Speaker 5: this is your tax dollars at work. This was brought
33:17
Speaker 5: to you by the US government, the state of Israel
33:20
Speaker 5: and Turkey. They said Asad was bad, this is what
33:24
Speaker 5: they replaced Asad with.
33:26
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't necessarily replace Assad with this, I would say,
33:30
Speaker 2: which is how this is what happened. Government foresight of consequences.
33:35
Speaker 5: They do have foresight of consequences.
33:38
Speaker 2: I think they genuinely and found that bad guys in
33:43
Speaker 2: the Middle East are always replaced by worse guys.
33:46
Speaker 9: That is nonsense.
33:48
Speaker 5: We are responsible and every single drop of Ala white
33:52
Speaker 5: and Christian blood being spilt in Syria today is on
33:56
Speaker 5: the US, expected and trained by the US.
34:06
Speaker 2: It's period. The consequences of what's happening is on the
34:09
Speaker 2: heads of those who are perpetrating the crimes, and they
34:12
Speaker 2: are Islamists who are doing what Islamists have always done,
34:16
Speaker 2: made some bad choices, but it's on the Islamists heads.
34:19
Speaker 2: Let's go on to one more thing before we go
34:21
Speaker 2: to a break, and that is the Greens have reiterated
34:25
Speaker 2: their determination to introduce legalized cannabis, especially if they held
34:30
Speaker 2: balance of power in a minority government with Albernizi. David
34:34
Speaker 2: Chubridge of the Greens says, quote unquote, it's high time
34:39
Speaker 2: to legalize cans. Already did there, Joe what good now?
34:43
Speaker 2: One of his big arguments, of course, was if we
34:45
Speaker 2: legalize cannabis, think of all the money that the government
34:49
Speaker 2: will be able to take via taxes. The Greens that
34:53
Speaker 2: estimated it will be worth twenty eight billion dollars in
34:56
Speaker 2: just ten years of taxes through cannabis. Well, there's been
34:59
Speaker 2: some new cost things done by an independent group and
35:02
Speaker 2: they're found it won't be twenty eight billion, it'll be
35:04
Speaker 2: seven billion, which is still a lot of money. But
35:06
Speaker 2: it just shows you the Greens economics. I don't know,
35:09
Speaker 2: maybe they were smoking chof when they did their math,
35:11
Speaker 2: but David schubrit says, never mind that it's twenty one
35:14
Speaker 2: billion dollars short of what we thought it would be,
35:17
Speaker 2: it would still be a great thing because quote, the
35:19
Speaker 2: future we see is adults being able to make adult
35:22
Speaker 2: decisions about their use of cannabis. It's about going to
35:25
Speaker 2: a really chilled out place, a cannabis cafe, a dispensary
35:29
Speaker 2: and having a cannabis infused latte after a really intense
35:32
Speaker 2: week at work. Well, thank god for the Greens. That's
35:36
Speaker 2: just what we need when productivity is down the toilet.
35:39
Speaker 2: We need the introduction of cannabis so we can all
35:41
Speaker 2: just chill out. That'll really help the country man.
35:45
Speaker 4: Just fully stressful day of work man, just need fully
35:49
Speaker 4: chill a little bit.
35:50
Speaker 2: This is a bad idea and it's the last Australian
35:54
Speaker 2: moral after a riff of the bog.
35:57
Speaker 4: I absolutely oppose any move by the Greens to legalize cannabis.
36:01
Speaker 4: If it's going to be done by anybody, it should
36:02
Speaker 4: be done by the legalized cannabis Party at least have
36:05
Speaker 4: it in their minds when they're due.
36:07
Speaker 5: But hey, according to max line of reasoning in the
36:10
Speaker 5: previous topic, the West funding terrorists in Syria. If the
36:14
Speaker 5: Greens do legalize this, they're not responsible for any of
36:18
Speaker 5: the societal outcomes.
36:20
Speaker 1: So do it, Greens.
36:22
Speaker 5: It should be absolutely fine moving on to the next.
36:27
Speaker 2: If that was my logic, I could not follow that
36:30
Speaker 2: at all.
36:30
Speaker 5: But literally your line of reasoning, the West can literally
36:34
Speaker 5: create these terrorist groups and then be like, ohady.
36:41
Speaker 3: There is that is I had that level of control,
36:45
Speaker 3: the world would be much different.
36:46
Speaker 5: I leave you this evening for an ad break. The
36:49
Speaker 5: Libs are begging Dunton to be a bit more heavy handed.
36:54
Speaker 5: Where's your big policies?
36:55
Speaker 1: Mate?
36:56
Speaker 5: Now, all of us who know that we've got our
36:58
Speaker 5: finger on the poles or world politics.
37:01
Speaker 2: At the moment.
37:02
Speaker 5: England has their Parage, the States have their Trump. Across Europe,
37:08
Speaker 5: figures arising, whether it's Maloney in Italy or what's his
37:12
Speaker 5: name in the Netherlands. Here at Bilders, the names are
37:16
Speaker 5: piling up. Australia doesn't legalize, don't have anyone if you're
37:21
Speaker 5: looking at our two major parties, And all I can
37:24
Speaker 5: say is if his own party is begging Dutton to
37:28
Speaker 5: pull his sts up and do something a bit more
37:31
Speaker 5: drastic and bulshy just tells you he's probably not the
37:34
Speaker 5: man for the job.
37:35
Speaker 1: There you go.
37:36
Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
37:37
Speaker 2: we'll look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers, including
37:40
Speaker 2: new data that shows just how badly COVID lockdown's affected
37:44
Speaker 2: our kids. That's coming up in just a moment. Welcome back.
37:51
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers. Liz,
37:54
Speaker 2: you've got the Advertiser from South.
37:56
Speaker 5: Yes, I do, and what is happening. This is a
38:00
Speaker 5: horrendous story. We've all been talking about how badly school
38:04
Speaker 5: kids are doing post COVID, but what a headline. Eighty
38:07
Speaker 5: thousand COVID kids missing. There are eighty thousand children missing
38:12
Speaker 5: from the mainstream education system, and many of those disappeared
38:16
Speaker 5: from classrooms during the COVID pandemic. Many have never returned
38:20
Speaker 5: to school after lockdowns and learned from home periods. So
38:25
Speaker 5: the Advertiser is spooking their four part doco series Lockdown Kids,
38:30
Speaker 5: How to Break a Generation, which delves into the long
38:34
Speaker 5: term effects of lockdowns on kids. I mean, it's all
38:38
Speaker 5: a little too late. Couldn't we have figured this out
38:41
Speaker 5: at the time.
38:42
Speaker 1: That no, we could have because that was disappearing.
38:44
Speaker 4: So right after just the very first lockdown in New
38:48
Speaker 4: South Wales, I think it was about a month or
38:51
Speaker 4: or two, there was an inquiry that the Teachers Federation,
38:55
Speaker 4: who frankly were backing the lockdown. So it's quite ironic
38:58
Speaker 4: that it was their own inquiry that revealed this, found
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Speaker 4: that three thousand kids who were in school before the
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Speaker 4: lockdown weren't in school afterwards. They just disappeared. So they
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Speaker 4: just disappeared out of the system. They're not coming back, right.
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Speaker 4: And I saw this and I went what it was
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Speaker 4: reported in the City Morning Herald in a very like
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Speaker 4: I should have put it on the front but and
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Speaker 4: I'm like, where are they going? And I have not
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Speaker 4: been able to get this out of my head ever since.
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Speaker 4: I've been railing about it on sky here on the radio,
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Speaker 4: I've been writing about it, and no one's been able
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Speaker 4: to tell I've spoken to education experts and said, where
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Speaker 4: are the rest of them? This was in one state
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Speaker 4: and it was just high school students in the public
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Speaker 4: system after one lockdown, and you think how many?
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Speaker 1: Is the title?
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Speaker 4: And we've finally got this figure and this is something
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Speaker 4: all the news court.
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Speaker 1: Masters are doing. So it's absolutely fantastic initiative and people
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Speaker 1: who called for school closures should be.
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Speaker 4: Very very very very ashamed of themselves and never comment
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Speaker 4: on public policy matters ever.
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Speaker 1: Again.
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Speaker 4: Anyway, let's get to the Canberra Times now, speaking of
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Speaker 4: public policy, I just this story three hundred and twenty
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Speaker 4: thousand dollar spending omission the Department of Parliamentary Services failed
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Speaker 4: to include three hundred and twenty thousand, eight hundred and
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Speaker 4: fifty eight.
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Speaker 1: I love the details.
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Speaker 4: Dollars spent on executive coaching services from one provider in
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Speaker 4: one financial year and it's twenty twenty three, twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: four annual report. Now, I just love how the public
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Speaker 4: service and again not you know, not the real public
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Speaker 4: servants like the you know, the cops and the nurses
40:36
Speaker 4: and the teachers and the age care workers, but the
40:38
Speaker 4: actual bureaucrats in Canberra they just managed to outsource all
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Speaker 4: their own jobs. Like, how could you spend three hundred
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Speaker 4: and twenty thousand on executive coaching services?
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Speaker 2: What sort of coaching do you get for well over
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Speaker 2: a quarter of a million rollers.
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Speaker 1: That's right, here's out of an executive. Don't waste money.
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Speaker 2: And if you just send the money, try and include
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Speaker 2: it in your report skipping.
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Speaker 4: I do write that money in your annual report, so
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Speaker 4: you know how much you're spending.
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Speaker 2: It's quite amazing you and I leave that amount out
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Speaker 2: of our tax return and see what happens. The front
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Speaker 2: page of the Daily Telegraph has got, of course breaking news.
41:17
Speaker 2: They're reporting that sayat iran Aka, a thirty five year
41:21
Speaker 2: old Sydney businessman who fled Australia by boat while on
41:24
Speaker 2: bail over an alleged six hundred kilogram drug importation, is
41:28
Speaker 2: the man police belief is behind the contrived terror caravan plot.
41:33
Speaker 2: Akka is a former jim and childcare owner, and the
41:36
Speaker 2: newspaper reports he's been moving between Asia and Turkey. Police
41:40
Speaker 2: believe he was possibly using the hoax caravan plot as
41:44
Speaker 2: a bargaining tool to get back home to his family
41:47
Speaker 2: in Sydney South. His family are not accused of any wrongdoing.
41:51
Speaker 2: So that's the latest update on that issue. It's all
41:55
Speaker 2: in Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph. Liz, you've got the Australian newspaper,
41:59
Speaker 2: Yes I.
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Speaker 5: Do, and the biggest splash reads price of broken Bowen vow.
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Speaker 5: Chris Bowen has fired the starting gun on an election
42:09
Speaker 5: fight over electricity prices, despite households facing a nine percent
42:14
Speaker 5: bill increase, declaring that the coalition's plan to keep coal
42:18
Speaker 5: in the system for longer would lead to even higher
42:21
Speaker 5: costs for Australians. How do you figure that, buddy? The
42:25
Speaker 5: Climate Change and Energy Minister said Labour's plan to massively
42:29
Speaker 5: expand generation from renewables was the key to bringing energy
42:34
Speaker 5: prices down, rebuffing calls from business to slow down the
42:37
Speaker 5: solar and wind roll out in favor of a short
42:40
Speaker 5: term focus on coal and gas. Talk about doubling down
42:45
Speaker 5: when you're losing, Like there's no wins under his belt
42:50
Speaker 5: in this respect. And yet here we are coming up
42:53
Speaker 5: to an election. You'd think maybe a little bit of
42:55
Speaker 5: a moderate tone might might lure a few more voters. Look,
43:01
Speaker 5: we're looking at the possibility of including a bit more
43:03
Speaker 5: colon gas going forward just to get us through this
43:06
Speaker 5: transitionary period.
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Speaker 2: Nope, Well, I don't think he can afford to concede
43:11
Speaker 2: any of them, and talk about pressure. Mark Nicholson on
43:15
Speaker 2: Kenny this afternoon pointed out just how much Bowen was
43:18
Speaker 2: sweating in that press conference, I mean very humor da
43:22
Speaker 2: he looked like a man who was really feeling the heat,
43:25
Speaker 2: no pun intended. I had to laugh though, because he
43:27
Speaker 2: was asked about the two hundred and seventy five dollars
43:30
Speaker 2: price reduction that we were promised, and of course he said,
43:34
Speaker 2: well that was all based on modeling done in twenty
43:37
Speaker 2: twenty one. But at the time when the promise was made,
43:39
Speaker 2: and Anthony Albanezi was asked, but how can you be
43:42
Speaker 2: sure this is just modeling? Anthony Alberanezi said no, no, no,
43:45
Speaker 2: I know that we'll be able to do this. Then
43:48
Speaker 2: Bowen went on to say that the price rise is
43:51
Speaker 2: proof of why the government's energy rebate is good policy.
43:56
Speaker 2: So the price rise we were told would not happen
44:00
Speaker 2: is the wisdom of the government using taxpayer money to
44:03
Speaker 2: try to mitigate the price rise that we're told would
44:05
Speaker 2: not happen. They're just doing well on every level.
44:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, just win win.
44:09
Speaker 4: I'm glad if you actually, if you take all the
44:11
Speaker 4: sarcasm out of that comment.
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Speaker 1: It's perfectly true.
44:16
Speaker 4: Speaking of which, another big win for the PM is
44:18
Speaker 4: he's stealing up for a food fight with Donald Trump.
44:22
Speaker 4: He's in talks with the administration inded this has been
44:25
Speaker 4: raised with the Energy Secretary during meetings with Kevin rad
44:30
Speaker 4: another outstanding performer, who said, basically, will cooperate with you
44:36
Speaker 4: on critical minerals if you can, if you.
44:41
Speaker 1: Carve out Australia on tariffs.
44:43
Speaker 4: And of course we have the steal aluminium tariffs that
44:45
Speaker 4: we've already been hit by, and then we've got the
44:48
Speaker 4: food tariffs as well, so PM steals for food fight
44:51
Speaker 4: get it steals because it's a steel tariff. After critical
44:54
Speaker 4: offer fails to win over Trump, the Albanezy government will
44:58
Speaker 4: promise the nation's and food producers it will fight to
45:02
Speaker 4: protect them from Donald Trump's next round of tariffs, as
45:05
Speaker 4: it offers the White House billions worth of operate of
45:08
Speaker 4: cooperation on critical minerals to shield Australia from the.
45:13
Speaker 1: Escalating trade war.
45:14
Speaker 4: And you know who didn't operate or share cooperation on
45:19
Speaker 4: critical minerals, Ukraine And look how that ended. So I
45:24
Speaker 4: think that figured out what the US is interested in.
45:27
Speaker 4: Oh they like critical Oh you like some critical minerals.
45:29
Speaker 4: We've got some critical minerals.
45:30
Speaker 5: Why didn't they do this in the first place? It
45:33
Speaker 5: was like this assumption that you guys will let us
45:36
Speaker 5: off the tariffs you did last time and where mates,
45:39
Speaker 5: knowing that Trump is on this spree of just show
45:43
Speaker 5: me the money, show me what you can do for me.
45:45
Speaker 5: Otherwise I'm not coming to the party. Everyone needs to
45:47
Speaker 5: pull their socks up. I'm sick of being the cash
45:50
Speaker 5: cow for the entire world. This is what they should
45:53
Speaker 5: have come to the table with.
45:56
Speaker 4: Wouldn't have been a good deal if it was just
45:58
Speaker 4: about the steel, no element.
45:59
Speaker 2: And hasn't it worked out better for the Labor Party
46:02
Speaker 2: that they weren't able to stop the tariffs because now
46:05
Speaker 2: they've pivoted Donald Trump is the enemy. The Labor Party
46:08
Speaker 2: is standing strongly for Australia's national interest. We're going to
46:11
Speaker 2: fight for you. Trump is Evina Albaniez's making a lot
46:16
Speaker 2: of mileage out of this. I think it's one of
46:17
Speaker 2: the best things that's happened for him. Tough, strong stand
46:20
Speaker 2: exactly nation against tariff's and against people who mishandle wombats.
46:25
Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
46:27
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom funding a special statue gets to itself will
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Speaker 2: show you in.
46:32
Speaker 1: Just a moment.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well Californian and Governor Gavin Newsom isn't liked
46:39
Speaker 2: by everybody, Liz, but there are some people who really
46:41
Speaker 2: love him.
46:42
Speaker 5: Well, yes, and it is he himself. Find yourself someone
46:47
Speaker 5: that looks at you like Gavin Newsom looks in a mirror.
46:51
Speaker 5: Here's our cousins at Fox News telling you all about
46:53
Speaker 5: this new bust that he has erected in his honor.
46:59
Speaker 7: Gavin news in love with himself and we have proof.
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Speaker 2: As if we needed any.
47:04
Speaker 7: More, A new book reveals k new some secretly funded
47:06
Speaker 7: a statue of himself. Gavin's bronze bust sits in a
47:10
Speaker 7: San Francisco City hall hallway with several buttons unbuttoned. Total
47:15
Speaker 7: cost one hundred years. What about that bust? Well, the
47:21
Speaker 7: first thing that came to mind when I saw this was,
47:24
Speaker 7: wait a minute, his hairline is way higher.
47:29
Speaker 5: Now, given this was partially funded by the governor himself,
47:32
Speaker 5: you want to know by how much? Like was he
47:35
Speaker 5: going to get one from the city? And he was like, na, nah,
47:38
Speaker 5: that's crappy. Want I wanted bronze? In fact, how much
47:42
Speaker 5: for a twenty four carrot gold one? And that's when
47:44
Speaker 5: he started pitching.
47:45
Speaker 2: In kind of upgraded it, and then you wonder about
47:48
Speaker 2: Dan Andrews. That statue is still to be built. That
47:50
Speaker 2: was one hundred thousand dollars for the Dan Andrews statue.
47:53
Speaker 2: Dan Andrews add a bit of his own money and
47:55
Speaker 2: sort of you know, Embellisiam, I.
47:56
Speaker 3: Know, I mean, I'd look Kevin new here are we
47:58
Speaker 3: saving the American taxpayer's help? It's very interesting all the
48:02
Speaker 3: narcissists throughout history that have built giants, staff pharaohs, most
48:06
Speaker 3: of themselves, the pharaohs and all that stuff.
48:08
Speaker 1: You know, who never built a statue of himself?
48:11
Speaker 2: Who's that?
48:11
Speaker 1: Hitler?
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Speaker 4: Off Hitler? That's why there are no statues of Hitler anywhere.
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Speaker 4: Hitler did not even Hitler thought that building a statue
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Speaker 4: of yourself made you look like a bit of a douchebag.
48:24
Speaker 1: To think about that as a benchmark.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if we've got it, but I believe
48:28
Speaker 2: that our team have put together some sky News busts
48:31
Speaker 2: that we could see bad as a.
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Speaker 4: Bust if I would contribute to that.
48:37
Speaker 5: How much are we talking because.
48:40
Speaker 2: Very quickly before we go, we all know that our
48:42
Speaker 2: kids aren't doing well at school. Educational standards are slipping
48:45
Speaker 2: and we think we've found Why have a look at
48:47
Speaker 2: this sign outside Harvey Bay High School. The Queensland Education
48:52
Speaker 2: Department have been asked to explain how on earth was
48:55
Speaker 2: that sign allowed to be put up outside the entrance
48:58
Speaker 2: to the school. You can see spelling is not their forte.
49:02
Speaker 2: If you want to know what's wrong with our schooling system,
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Speaker 2: there you go. You can find out at the front
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Speaker 2: gate of Harvey They just couldn't fit it, you know,
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Speaker 2: because it's crammed onto the end there.
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Speaker 1: They're like, you know, the real spelling school is stupid?
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Speaker 5: Are they going to know?
49:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, they spelled it right, I reckon, it's everyone else.
49:17
Speaker 1: It's spelling.
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Speaker 5: The sea has to be a cave.
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Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for stick around. Coming up
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Speaker 2: is the Reader Penny Show. Good Night,