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How Astrology Can Help You Find Love & Yourself ft. Zohra Shakti · Love Matters With Leeza Mangaldas

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  Speaker 1: Have you ever found yourself looking up the zodiac sign
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  Speaker 1: of a crush just to check if you'd be compatible,
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  Speaker 1: or looked at your weekly horoscope wondering if there's love
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  Speaker 1: on the cards. I'm Lisa Mandodas and this is love Matters,
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  Speaker 1: and today we're going to be gliding through the galaxies
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  Speaker 1: of divination and love. And to do that with me
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  Speaker 1: today is Zorashakti. She's an astrologer, a psychic, a tarot
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  Speaker 1: card reader, crystal healer, someone who's really immersed herself in
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  Speaker 1: the world of cosmic intelligence, and as someone who knows
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  Speaker 1: very little about the subject and has veered towards skepticism
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  Speaker 1: thus far, I am so looking forward to learning all
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  Speaker 1: about it. Zorah, thanks so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me. I'm so so excited
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  Speaker 2: to glide through the cosmos, as you said, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: talk about astrology and talk about the numbers and talk
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  Speaker 2: about how they have a profound impact on our lives.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I was very intrigued when you leave out the
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  Speaker 1: Tara deeck. You also put those crystals down town. Absolutely
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  Speaker 1: tell me about them.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So the green one you see there is flow right,
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  Speaker 2: and the whitish pink one is a Himalian cords okay.
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  Speaker 2: So the green one is actually great for communication and
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  Speaker 2: ideas and inspiration. So that little friend there is going
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  Speaker 2: to give us some cosmic zoomies.
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  Speaker 3: Love it, okay. And the pink one's it.
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  Speaker 2: Just to enhance communication, give us a little more clarity.
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  Speaker 2: All in all, these pistles are meant to, let's say,
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  Speaker 2: make us feel a little more tuned in, a little
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  Speaker 2: more inspired to the cosmic flow of intelligence.
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  Speaker 3: So, h what got you interested in divination?
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  Speaker 1: How did you discover this world as well as your
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  Speaker 1: aptitude for it?
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  Speaker 2: I want to say that I've always been a curious child,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it comes from having a lot of
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  Speaker 2: air placements, have an Aquarius rising and a couple of
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  Speaker 2: other stuff. One of the things that I believe in
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  Speaker 2: is always being a student and always being a teacher,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so always being ever present to that flow
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  Speaker 2: of energy, which means literally nerding out, reading as many
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  Speaker 2: books as you can, listening to as many podcast courses,
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  Speaker 2: but also always passing that energy forward, you know, finding
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  Speaker 2: out lets to share it with other people in whatever
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  Speaker 2: way that they can understand, in a way that's real
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  Speaker 2: and relatable. So to settle back to your question, it's
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  Speaker 2: definitely my curiosity and my never ending urge to know
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  Speaker 2: more about the way that the cosmos works, and most
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  Speaker 2: importantly for me, these tools of divinations, A divination answer
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  Speaker 2: the question why am I the way I am?
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  Speaker 3: And why are you the way you are?
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  Speaker 2: Right, So, in a way, it's so deeply personal and
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  Speaker 2: psychological because we tend to understand divination is merely something
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  Speaker 2: that focuses on future predictions versus I want to understand
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  Speaker 2: why I am the way that I am? What is
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  Speaker 2: my essence? What are my gifts? What am I here
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  Speaker 2: to do?
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  Speaker 3: A lot of that I want to know.
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  Speaker 1: I want to ask you all about why I am
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  Speaker 1: the way I am.
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  Speaker 3: I am looking forward to getting into that, but before
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  Speaker 3: we before.
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  Speaker 1: We get it too that, I wanted to also ask
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  Speaker 1: what you make of the new found enthusiasm and curiosity
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  Speaker 1: of what we used around astrology and tarror and all
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  Speaker 1: of these absolutely sort of alternative modes of knowledge that
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  Speaker 1: gen Z and millennials seem to like we are in
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  Speaker 1: an astrohole era. When asked for right, why what do
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  Speaker 1: you think has contributed to this sort of like resurgence,
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  Speaker 1: like of faith, even right, and the popularity around these
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  Speaker 1: modes of knowing.
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  Speaker 2: We grew up with a very rigid system in the
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  Speaker 2: way that I have profound respect for Joe Tish as
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  Speaker 2: a system, but the way that that information was passed
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  Speaker 2: on to us made us feel limited. It didn't make
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  Speaker 2: us feel like we can spread our wings and fly.
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  Speaker 2: But the difference between modern practitioners and say, the more
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  Speaker 2: traditional astrologers is that we acknowledge the role of freeel right. So,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, Lisa, I can tell you that your rising
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  Speaker 2: is Taurus, but I can either tell you in a
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  Speaker 2: way that empowers you to go out there and live
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  Speaker 2: your purpose and live your truth, or I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you in a way that makes you feel that the
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  Speaker 2: cards that were handed down to you are somehow negative.
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  Speaker 3: Are you understanding what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: And I think that for our generation, astrology and all
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  Speaker 2: of these other tools comes with a sense of freedom
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  Speaker 2: because it helps you in this journey of self discovery.
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  Speaker 2: But it also in a way helps you understand that
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  Speaker 2: you're not restricted by what's written in your chart. You
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  Speaker 2: are here to understand yourself better, break patterns and rewrite
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  Speaker 2: the story.
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  Speaker 1: And what do you make of the business side of
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  Speaker 1: this sort of rise in popularity. You know, today the
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  Speaker 1: astrotech industry already in India is like a multi billion
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  Speaker 1: dollar industry, and holistic wellness globally that often co opts
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  Speaker 1: some of the language and mechanisms of divination.
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  Speaker 3: Is a multi trillion dollar industry.
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  Speaker 1: So do you think that there's something both for consumers
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  Speaker 1: and practitioners to be mindful of in terms of retaining
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  Speaker 1: the spiritual integrity of this while also leaning into the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it's a massive market opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I really like that you use the word integrity
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  Speaker 2: because that's so important for any practitioner to understand.
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  Speaker 3: And I would like.
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  Speaker 2: To be politically incorrect here and say don't go to
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  Speaker 2: anybody who induces fear.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So if someone.
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  Speaker 2: Tells you that if you don't do this pooja, or
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  Speaker 2: if you don't do this, or if you don't marry
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  Speaker 2: a potter, a tree or a plant, you don't for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of your life, please pack.
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  Speaker 3: Your belongings and run home. Thank you?
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  Speaker 2: Right, yes, of course, So don't let anybody sell you fear.
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  Speaker 2: You are the boss of you. This is your chart.
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  Speaker 2: But again, I'm going to keep coming back to this.
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  Speaker 2: You're not restricted by it. You're not limited by it.
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  Speaker 2: It's your cosmic blueprint, it's your map. Take everything with
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  Speaker 2: a pinch of salt, including what I tell you. And
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  Speaker 2: I always tell this to my clients and my readers. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: it is your actions and your decisions that define the
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  Speaker 2: course of your life. This is a map, This is
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  Speaker 2: a guideline, and take it, absorb it, synthesize it, and
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  Speaker 2: then play with it.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that so often people come to these sort
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  Speaker 1: of sources of knowledge that seems less easy to define.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose at periods.
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  Speaker 1: Of feeling lost, you know, absolutely when something goes wrong,
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  Speaker 1: you're willing to at least that's been my experience, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it's so unfortunate that some people pray on
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  Speaker 1: that state of vulnerability. Right, It's definitely something to be
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  Speaker 1: mindful of.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and we can sense it in our bones.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: If you're in a space where don't, I say, don't
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  Speaker 3: look for logic.
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  Speaker 2: You know, someone would have recommended a practitioner that worked
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  Speaker 2: for them, but you're sitting in their studio and you're
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  Speaker 2: somehow feeling drained or depleted and instead of feeling like
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  Speaker 2: instead of feeling replenish instead of feeling like you're ready
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  Speaker 2: to embrace your sense of purpose.
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  Speaker 3: Again, that's your red flag.
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  Speaker 2: Don't stay. Don't let anybody make those decisions for you
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  Speaker 2: or tell you that you're doomed in.
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  Speaker 1: Some way to play the devil's advocate for a second.
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  Speaker 1: What do you say to people who dismiss these sorts
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  Speaker 1: of modes of knowing as unscientific or fake?
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  Speaker 2: Oh I love it. I have no time to convince
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  Speaker 2: for anybody who doesn't believe in magic, but I will
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  Speaker 2: tell you this, Lisa. So I've never been a skeptic.
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  Speaker 2: I've always been a believer of magic. I just didn't
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  Speaker 2: know what that meant as a kid, and that's where
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  Speaker 2: the exploration started, you know. So we use this term
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  Speaker 2: called coming out of the spiritual closet because when you're younger,
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  Speaker 2: you don't want everyone to know that you have a
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  Speaker 2: secret stash of cards or a book on spells, or
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  Speaker 2: like little red candle stashtory somewhere. So when I did
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  Speaker 2: come out of the spiritual clauset, so to speak, I
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  Speaker 2: tiptoed a little, you know, because I didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: let my freak flag fly immediately.
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  Speaker 3: Freak flag. I love that. I'm going to use that
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  Speaker 3: you shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I've been incredibly lucky in the way that
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  Speaker 2: I've always been met with curiosity. So when I decided
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  Speaker 2: I want to take this step and I want to
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  Speaker 2: embrace this is my life path and my passion, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it became this strange, little secret club that I would
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  Speaker 2: go to party and everyone's a little tipsy and having
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  Speaker 2: this conversation about superficial conversations, and then someone pulls me
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  Speaker 2: in a corner and then starts talking to me about
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  Speaker 2: dreams or visions of their past life. And I was like, okay, really, like,
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  Speaker 2: weren't you talking about the most mundane top I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying this in a judgmental way, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about it in a way that, you know, someone
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  Speaker 2: could have been talking about, say fashion or politics.
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  Speaker 3: Or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: And then suddenly they pull me in a corner and
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  Speaker 2: I see this whole new side of them. And I
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  Speaker 2: think when I first, like I said, started sharing my practice,
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  Speaker 2: I had these sort of biases, you know that women
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  Speaker 2: would be more receptive, or you know, certain kinds of
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  Speaker 2: people would be more receptive. But I want to say
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  Speaker 2: that spirituality am using it as an umbrella. Term is
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  Speaker 2: for absolutely everybody, men, women, irrespective of your gender, your cast,
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  Speaker 2: your race. Because I feel like people shy away from
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  Speaker 2: talking about their uote unquote surreal or mystical experiences because
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  Speaker 2: it makes them feel weird in some way. It makes
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  Speaker 2: them feel like they're going to be singled out or
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  Speaker 2: people are going to make fun of them. But for me,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, it's been wonderful because somehow people just
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  Speaker 2: found the safe space to start talking about their mystical
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  Speaker 2: experiences and seeing it as quote unquote normal.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't actually, to answer your question, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't actually meet as many skeptics. I meet people who
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  Speaker 2: pretend to be skeptic and then find a safe space
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  Speaker 2: to share their experiences.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if I am guilty as charged. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: come out of the spiritual closet yet. But we shall,
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  Speaker 1: we shall today, we shall absolute it, we shall today. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I am since this is love matters, I am
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  Speaker 1: eager to keep picking your brains about how we can
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  Speaker 1: use the perspectives and insights from all of the various
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  Speaker 1: modes that you are familiar with to gain perspective on
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  Speaker 1: our relationships. But I'm happy to also offer myself as
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  Speaker 1: the guinea pig were we to use it. Absolutely is
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  Speaker 1: my charts or cards or whatever as an example for
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  Speaker 1: listeners to also understand the capacity for insight that these
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  Speaker 1: modes provide. So I thought, we've absolutely astrology, sure for
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  Speaker 1: the uninitiated, which I myself like barely know anything about.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, what is astrology?
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  Speaker 1: How does it work? What is a birth chart? What
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  Speaker 1: are the Big three? Sand Moon rising? You tried to
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  Speaker 1: take me through it a sermon to go before we started.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's break it down like you might not really
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  Speaker 3: know much.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, my endeavors to keep it simple because I want
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  Speaker 2: everybody to be able to understand this. So I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to go into the complexities of sinistry. But let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about the bird chart, right, So it is the
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  Speaker 2: map of the sky on the day that you were born.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's it's wild. It's not a coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: It's the precise moment you said, Okay, I'm getting on
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  Speaker 2: a spaceship and I'm landing here, right, so you're your
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  Speaker 2: planet replacements are defined by that precise moment.
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  Speaker 3: Now coming to.
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  Speaker 2: The Big three, right, most of us would say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Libra, or I'm Cancer, or I'm Gemini, which essentially
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  Speaker 2: means that I'm a Libra son or in your case,
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  Speaker 2: you're a Gemini son. Of course we know what the
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  Speaker 2: sun sign is, but I want to again, I'll give
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  Speaker 2: you a few keywords. Think of the sun as the soul,
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  Speaker 2: so your purpose where you shine the most. And think
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  Speaker 2: of the moon as not just your body, but your
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  Speaker 2: emotional body. Right, it's and I think the moon is
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  Speaker 2: so at least for me. I think that the moon
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  Speaker 2: is so interesting because when you first meet the sun,
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  Speaker 2: or when you first meet a person, you get a
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  Speaker 2: sense of.
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  Speaker 3: Their rising and their sun.
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  Speaker 2: When you know them intimately, you'll see the moon, okay,
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  Speaker 2: because that's how you relate to people that you actually
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  Speaker 2: care about, that you're close to. So in any sort
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  Speaker 2: of relationship, the tonic, romantic, anything, when you're close to somebody,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like your moon really shines through. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Where is your rising is?
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  Speaker 2: You know, the overarching, the overarching plan, the patterns, what
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  Speaker 2: drives you, what motivates you, the larger picture of what
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  Speaker 2: your life is going to look like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really interesting. So what would it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's say you said I have Gemini son
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  Speaker 1: and Gemini and we had a hard time figuring out
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  Speaker 1: what rising I have. But what would let's say you
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  Speaker 1: have that knowledge, what can you infer about a person
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  Speaker 1: from that?
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  Speaker 3: Like, Okay, I hear a lot of people who are
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  Speaker 3: very into astrology.
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  Speaker 1: Asking that, for example, before going out with like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: iguing whether they'll go on a date with this person.
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  Speaker 3: So what can one tell?
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  Speaker 1: Is there so much that can be inferred from simply
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  Speaker 1: those facts about a person?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely? Or should you give them a chance?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 3: You should give everybody a chance?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yes, I'm always going to say that this
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  Speaker 2: is true, and that is true. I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: we can be so rigid because I could I know
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  Speaker 2: for a fact that you have a Gemini son, and
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  Speaker 2: I could have another woman who probably shares not just
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  Speaker 2: not just your son sign, but your birthday, and you
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  Speaker 2: will still have very different ways of expressing that essence,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So I think that, yeah, basically, give everybody
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  Speaker 2: a chance. You don't know until you actually meet them
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  Speaker 2: and discover them, right, And I mean in the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: we're all wearing masks, and the more you get to
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  Speaker 2: know people, like I said, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Going to see the moon.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to see how they are intimately, You're going
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  Speaker 2: to see You're going to see the vulnerabilities, the strengths,
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  Speaker 2: all of it. So don't be rigid about and don't
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  Speaker 2: stereotype people. Oh you're a Gemini, you must be like that.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm using that example of Gemini because that's the
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  Speaker 2: most hated sign on the internet.
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  Speaker 3: Really, Oh my goodness, why we hate it?
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  Speaker 2: See? Now, that's the thing, right. People will say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: gemini Is are two faced and all of that, but
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  Speaker 2: what they will not say is that Geminis are incredibly creative. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you can talk to them about It's wild. You can
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  Speaker 2: talk to them about anything from from politics to astrology
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  Speaker 2: to like what is the right sea salt to use
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  Speaker 2: for this recipe? Does that make sense? Yeah? So it's
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  Speaker 2: it's I think talking to Gemini badly hated. You want to.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so intrigued.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to the uh, they have
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  Speaker 2: a bad rep forming two face then.
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  Speaker 3: God relationships in general in.
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  Speaker 2: General, because apparently they're going to gossip and take information
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  Speaker 2: from here and give.
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  Speaker 1: It really yeah, so interesting. I'm so antisocial. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even need any gossip.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, yeah, right, and that's why that definition does
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  Speaker 2: not apply to you.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, what's the most beloved sign on the internet?
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  Speaker 2: Scorpio? No, actually, I was gonna say that after Gemini,
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  Speaker 2: Scorpio is the most hated.
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  Speaker 1: Oh but I get there's like lots of stereotypes around
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  Speaker 1: scorpios being like the most friends, lovers and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: At least I see that on Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, but then also apparently.
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  Speaker 2: They're jealous and possessive and vengeful, but they're also I see,
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  Speaker 2: maybe the best lover that you're going to have.
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  Speaker 1: So do you think that the stereotypes and the internet
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  Speaker 1: memes sort of discoss that you know, teenagers or whatever
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  Speaker 1: are having around these signs are mainly just banter or
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  Speaker 1: there is some truth to these stereotypes.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's the same thing. Take everything with a
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  Speaker 2: grain of salt. I want to say that everything literally,
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  Speaker 2: everything has shadow and light. Right. So again, if you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about, say cancer, they're supposed to be I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's the sign of the mother. So even men in
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  Speaker 2: general are supposed to have that I want to say
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  Speaker 2: sensitive or artistic side, and they're more tuned into your
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  Speaker 2: emotions and stuff like that, which is a wonderful quality
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  Speaker 2: for any human being to have. Right, But that is
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  Speaker 2: the light aspect, right, But everybody university has light aspects
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  Speaker 2: and shadow aspects. So the shadow can be that they
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  Speaker 2: go like the crab. Right, So this it is the
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  Speaker 2: sign of the crab. So you don't know when they're
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  Speaker 2: going to bite you or attack you, or get cranky
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  Speaker 2: about or moody about something. So what I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: say is it's important to look at everything holistically. You're
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  Speaker 2: not just your You're not just your son. Your mon
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  Speaker 2: is literally it's it's a chart with twelve houses, nine planets,
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  Speaker 2: and all of them are you know, interacting and playing
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  Speaker 2: with each other. And so if I reduce you to
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  Speaker 2: just being your son or your moan, I'm not seeing
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  Speaker 2: you as an as a whole individual.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Should we move on to taro then absolutely, yeah, So
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: what let's let's start with how taro works for the
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: uninitiated and what one can hope to learn from or like,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: how best to utilize.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: So should you be seeking answers.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, specific questions get specific answers, So it's always good
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: to come in with an intention. But also don't be rigid,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: because I think that for me Tara is like storytelling.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: You know, you're pulling out all of these cards. They're
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: so rich in images and symbology. So that's one aspect,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: because every card has a certain meaning, has a certain definition,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and how they laid out will tell you how they're
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: interacting with each other. Again, as we spoke about in
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the bird chat, they have colors. I mean you're looking
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: at the colors, you're looking at symbols, you're looking at
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: numbers and the other and the other element is of
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: course your intuition, which I can say that I would
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: assume that most readers are also tuning into a higher force,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: like they're sort of channeling or channeling information or their
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: mediums in some way. So the way that the cards
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: are laid out will tell you a story. But then
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: there's that other element of what you are receiving as
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: a divine download in that moment, which gives you an
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: additional layer to this story. The third thing is again
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to curiosity, because if I'm
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: not willing to listen to you, I can't answer your
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: question right. So as a reader, don't be afraid to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: ask questions. You don't know everything right, So understand where
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: the person is that what they're struggling with, because that
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: will help you, you know, that will enhance your reading,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: It will help you uncover deeper layers.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have a question before we before we pull
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: some cards. I think that when one is contemplating seeing
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: a psychic or you know, one, fear is being told
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: bad news.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Absolutely right.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And I think some mediums may like manipulate you based
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: on realizing how vulnerable you are, as we were about, and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: some might choose not to. I mean, what is it
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: possible with specificity to really determine that a negative event
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you know of such and such magn dude, is going
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to just by looking at a card? Or do you
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: think that there's that it is common for practitioners without
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: sufficient integrity to simply scare and you know, to just
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: like utilize that power that they wielded over a absolutely
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: willing I don't know, lost soul hoping to you know
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: what I mean? If someone told me something awful, I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: think it's more likely I'm going to come back. Yeah,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: but can you both joyful and awful? Can you how
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: specifically the answers that reveal themselves to you?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Generally it can be really specific. I will also say
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: that sometimes in rare cases, you're also guided to not
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: share everything.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, but again, I want to go back.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: To it being a tool of guidance, which means that
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: nothing is absolute. If I tell you Lisa, this is
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: going to happen on August eighteen, twenty twenty six, but
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: you're just like, no, I'm going to stay at home.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't need to go meet this person.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I don't need to go to the buy where I've
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: been invited for x YS. There's a chance that that
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: encounter or that episode might not play out because you're
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: choosing not to act on it. So, like I said, okay,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: there is destiny. There are certain things that are pivotal
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: that I don't want to say they are written. I
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: want to say that you, on a higher level have
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: written that before you came here, and now you're just
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: and now you're just like, wait, did I decide that?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yes you did, and now you're uncovering it through the cards.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: But there is so much more scope for you to
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: understand this is where I want to go and what
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: can I do to get there, rather than looking at
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: it as an absolute Does that make sense?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: So would you say that people benefit from a shift
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: in mindset. We're instead of seeing yourself as a passive
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: sort of victim of whatever has been written, like it is,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about it. It is, you know,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: preordained all like this is a prediction and I'm telling
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you what will happen? Do you think that in a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: way when you said you've written it? Yeah, that one's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: own free will and agency should be honored at all
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: points where you where one instead of feeling a lack
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of control or helplessness. Absolutely, actually one is very much
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a participant in how everything you needed it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: You couldn't have described it in a more accurate way,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: like I said, I mean this and that is true.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I can't say that destiny is not playing out right.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: You are on in a certain country and a certain family.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: There is a container, there are certain circumstances at play.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: But what are you doing with that elements?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: That's on you? Right?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: And why did I say it's you?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Because it's very easy to say it is written. But
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the reason that I'm saying you have written it is
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: because we are consciously creating our reality. Before a soul
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: chooses to be born, it's sitting in this conference room
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: with other beings which could be your ancestors or higher
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: dimensional beings, having this cosmic conference and saying, Okay, this
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: is the lesson I didn't learn. This is a person
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: that clearly I was really mean too, So now I
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: have to go make amends and stuff like that. You know.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: So there is that element of why have you attracted
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: this person because you clearly have pending karma? But now
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: how are you going to make amends here? Right?
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Or how are you going to heal this relationship?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: But more importantly, how are you going to heal that
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: pattern within you that creates this circumstance?
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Again and again, should we should we?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Should we see what these cards absolutely as well?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Today? Yeah?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's get specifically, sa, why don't you tell me?
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Of course, sticking to the topic.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Of love and relationships, why don't you tell me where
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: you are and what would you like to uncover through
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the cards? And I'm going to ask you to just
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: gently touch this with your left hand.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yes, and go on.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: The cards are listening, so I should tell you where
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I'm at right now?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, give me, give me a little bit of a background.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: What is your intention? What would you like to uncover.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think I've prioritized work so much in my life
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: in the last several years that my romantic life has
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: not been a priority.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: But I'm also.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Aware of the fact that unfortunately, female biology has a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you know, in terms of like were you ever to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: have a child or which That's why I always thought
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I definitely don't want, but I want. Sometimes you just
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: like reevaluate what you've believed thus far about yourself. I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: guess I think that I have some things to learn
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: about what I actually want. Like, I think I've not
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: been in relationships with intention. I suppose I wasn't that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: concerned with the end result.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: If I like someone, care about them and they're precerding
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to my life, Okay, So I wonder what do the next.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Five years hold for me.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: In terms of my romantic life. Am I going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: get married? Will I have children? I have like very
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: consciously rejected those possibilities.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: That's far if that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Right, okay, which is say, sticking to the norm in
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: some way what was expected.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I would never do these things, Okay. I just wonder
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: whether the I don't know the forces at play.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I think otherwise, So we've laid out your cards, We've
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: laid off my cards on this scale.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Of zero to ten. How real would you like me
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: to wait? Ten?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Amazing? So I'm going to start in no particular order.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you a little bit about this.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So I'm using a classic ride away deck. Okay. There
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: are many interpretations. Are a ride away to deck. Okay,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: that's that's the name of the deck. It's one of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the most classic decks out there, and there are one
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: hundred interpretations. But I chose this specifically for today because
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the images are very literal, okay. And I'm going to
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: start and the reading that you see here. The cards
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: are laid out way, but I'm not going to go
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: in leanar order because I don't do that. But I'm
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: going to pick up a few cards and explain it
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to you. And this is the card that a lot
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: of people despice.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: It's the devil card, okay.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: And the devil card actually resembles the lover's card, which
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I'd probably pull out at some point, and in a
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: romantic relationship or in a romantic reading, that's the card.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: You want to see.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: And if I had to compare the two, you would
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: see the Lover's card is a little more as a
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: colorful version of this one minus the chains. Okay. So
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the devil here can signify multiple things. It can signify
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: self sabotaging patterns, okay, it can The chains here can
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: also signify where we're feeling restricted.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: In our lives. Okay.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Now, if I were to zoom out of your reading
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and simply kind of tell you the overacting message, I
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: tell you your journey right now. Now, you know you
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: put this specific time period of five years, I would
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: say that your journey is about you, okay, And that
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean the lack of the other. But I'm saying
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: that this is such an individual journey, and I don't
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: want to say oh professional and personal, I mean individual journey.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Whatever that means to you. That your lesson right now
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: is to learn how to prioritize the me and the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: way okay, and to consciously choose partners that if I
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: were to put it bluntly, not distract you from your
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: path and purpose. Okay, And what that means again, I
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: want to go back to the chains, because I know
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that's something that you have spoken about to me a
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: little bit about feeling stifled by more conventional forms of
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: relating right, Like I say, you question why one should
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: get married or you know, live in a certain format,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and your dialogue with yourself or your your journey of
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: self discovery right now is actually I don't see lack
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: of partners or lack of options because you're starting with
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: two aces, right, and this is a great card to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: have because you're starting with the ace of ones, which
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: is literally like it's an offering right, very it's like
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: a phallixim literally okay, because the cards are very visual
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: and it's about it. It's about heat and passion and
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: desire and the Ace of Pentacles here is also saying
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: that it is there is a possibility for you to
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: solidify that connection. It's not just something privilege that's in
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: the air. You know, you can say, okay, this I
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: sense meaning here and I want to invest in this connection.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And just going by mid dutive sense of things, I
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: feel like it's not limited to one.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: There are a few options that will come your way.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: But for you, it could be a phrase moment.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Where you take a step forward.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: But the devil plays out in the way that you
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: are varied repeating patterns from your past. You're you're worried of,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: you know, sabotaging it in some way. But that's where
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the journey of introspection starts, because it's for you to understand.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Sometimes understanding not this is a part of understanding. This
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: is what I actually want? Right And I know no one,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: no one really likes this, but spiritually, when you when
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: you look at it, the person in front of me
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: is a mirror and they're helping me basically understand myself better.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So I'm not clorifying a partner who is, you know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: just bad news or a red flag. But I'm saying
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: that it's not always about it's too simplistic to say
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: that you're the bad guy, but more about understanding what
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: patterns are being mirried to me and how can I
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: use this container to maybe break certain patterns so clarify
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: my intentions and get into truly get into alignment put
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: with what I want from a partnership. And a lot
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: of it is also going to be about deconditioning yourself.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: And if you really just embrace that journey and take
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: it as Okay, it's a game, let's do this. You know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: it's all just a divine comedy. I feel like you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: come out of this speriod with a greater sense of
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: clarity about what you want and lighter, just feeling lighter,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you know, like you work through all of this karmic
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: baggage and you can almost start, you can start a
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: relationship with the not naivety, but in a sense of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: a teenager.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I like that. Yeah, what is the fool card? And
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: that's exactly where they of the teenager?
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's it's number zero, right, and that's the
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: very first card of the deck where you're standing at
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the edge of the cliff and you're ready to jump
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: into the unknown. So you're coming out of this space
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: where you work through all of this baggage. You've been
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: in the space of awareness and your journey takes you
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: to that point where you're like, you know what, I'm
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: ready to start with a sense of lightness and rightness.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Thank you for that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: That was so sweet that I like the wand these
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of wants, don't we all?
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: So do you sometimes do a reading for yourself? Of course?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, so here's the thing, I know the red flags.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: But would that stop me from jumping in anyway?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Probably not, probably not.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: So how often would you like, would you say that
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the taro or even if the birth chart and stuff
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: play quite a big road in your own made selection,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: do I really.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Want to put it out?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, now you know I'm kidding.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I'm kidding. Okay, So here's what I Here's what I
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: tell everyone, which is that it's a great tool of awareness.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: So unless it's you know, literally giving me like five crosses,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: then I'm going to look at that as divine guidance
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and choose not to explore something. But if it is
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: a relationship that's meaningful for me, then that then the
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: spread or the chart is like a sort of guidance
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: on what I can work on, how I can make
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: it juicier. So that's how I like to look at it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And have you found that your sort of.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Intuitions or insights from these sources to always be very accurate?
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Have you ever been surprised a person ever surprised you?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I think I also make a conscious effort, a conscious
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: decision to leave room for surprises. So I don't want
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to overplan things. I'm in the human experience and I
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: want to be in the human experience.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: So let's move on to numerology.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, how is it either connected or distinct from tariff
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and astrology, and what should someone who knows nothing about
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it understand?
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: So I want to say it's all connected. If you see,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: if you look at the cards, they all have certain numbers.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Every number is associated with a certain planet. So in
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: a way, it also connects with your birth chat. In
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: your case you are at twenty five, that's just your the.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Day on which the lawn, yes, the day of the month.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Absolutely is your primary number or something.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, your personality number. So in your case it would
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: be a seven.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So it's always the sum of the digits, Yes, a
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: single digit. It's only from one to nine.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, unless it is eleven or twenty two, which are
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: master numbers, so you don't reduce that to two O four.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Let's say I'm born on the twenty fifty, Yes, i
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: am seven two plus.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Five absolutely, and that is the number of K two okay,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: which is actually very misunderstood energy. But if I had
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: to simplify and tell you that a few things that
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I could tell you about the number is that they
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: are great with research. You know, they are really great
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: when it comes to uncovering the truth about something. It
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: could be a PhD, or it could be the mysteries
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: of life, or anything at all, depending on what they
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: are curious about. They're also very instinctive people. So if
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: a seven tells me this is something that I follow.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: If A seven tells me, Okay, this person vibes are
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: off or this situation not.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Going to work for you, I'll just believe them.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I don't need you to give me logic. I'll just
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: believe you.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Does that resonate in any way? Yeah?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I mean I think I've always benefited from listening to
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: my gut. Okay, although I reserve usually don't tell other
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: people what to do, but maybe I should.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to tell them what say. Yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: But so okay, so that's your your main personality, your
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: personality number and what was and then when you do
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the sums still number, that's your destiny numbers.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: It would be like your month plus the day per
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Sillar year. Yes, the some of those digits. Do you
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: feel like a little bit of math? Yeah, sure, let's
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Two plus five plus five is twelve plus one plus
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: nine is twenty two plus nine is twenty No thirty one.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're nineteen ninety Yeah, that's one because all right,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: nine plus anything, okay, would be that digit. So nine
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: plus nine plus one is one oh.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Nine plus one. So nine plus nine plus one plus
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: like one plus nine plus nine plus Yes, we're doing
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: from complication one. Okay, let's reduce. I hope listeners are following.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Stay with us, Okay, stay with us. Okay.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: So nine plus nine is eighteen, yes, eighteen plus one
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: is nineteen okay, one plus nine set is ten.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, so we get one.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: So we reduced your we reduce nineteen ninety to one.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Okay. You're born in the month of May May, so
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: that's a five.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: So we've reduced your birth number to seven plus five
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: plus one.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Now let's do the math. Twelve no, sorry, thirteen.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Thirteen okay, now reduce that to a single digit. Perfect, right.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: So that is the number of rahu Urdus. So it's
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: it's the destiny number. What it's the overarching picture of
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: your life. It's what's going to drive you.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: And a simple way to look at four is that
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: it's a master builder. It really it's it's it's the
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: number that builds.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Strong, strong foundations. You know, whether that means it could
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: literally be building a business as in your case, there's
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: always something a little unusual or a little out of
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: the box in the way that they will do it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: So if you're expecting a four to stick to the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: tried and tested or to follow the rule book, then
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: you're going to be really disappointed.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: I see.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So don't embrace the embrace it. Embrace what makes.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: You weird and wonderful with your weird fla free flag,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: your freak flag.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Literally right, And of course said that also plays out
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: in compatibility in a way where, like I said, certain
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: numbers are just naturally more compatible with other numbers, and
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: certain numbers have a hard time understanding other numbers, again
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: because of how the planets interact with each other, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that's where friction aizes. And now a simple way to
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: you know, how we say that oppositees attract, right, I
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: think that's perhaps too simplistic because the way that I
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: like to look at it is it's like intersecting circles. Right.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: There has to be something, There has to be some
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: relatability or commonality, but there also has to be some differences,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: which leads me to be curious about going back to
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the eternal.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Question, why are you the way you are?
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I think that viewers and listeners might enjoy, you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: being able to take something from this conversation into their
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: own lives.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned that some numbers are more compatible
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: with others, and we talked a little bit when we
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: talk about astrology about this sort of characteristics associated with
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: each sign. Should we like lean into that a little?
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I'm always, you know, like, what what might I be
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: like in a like what might my sign or my
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: element or my number to be like I think everyone
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: likes hearing, you know, insight that they can apply to
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: their own lives. So do you want to take us
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: through what.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: The main sun sign?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: What the sun signs are like, which ones tend to
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: be compatible? Element? Maybe?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, let's look at the elements.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: That's if you're not that's.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: A great way to you know, to get to get
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: an overarching sense of somebody. And so I don't want
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: to say all aquarians or all can settings. I want
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: to say aqueris placements because that's a way of saying
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: that that could be your sun new moon. It could be,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: like I said, the Mars or the Weieness sign. Right,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to try to make it a little
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: juicy with examples. But let's talk about the elements, because
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that's such a great way, that's such a fundamental understanding. Right, So,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: why don't you tell me what what what does the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: earth do? What if I told you someone was an
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Earth sign, what what sense would that give you?
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: The thing grounded? Yeah, stable, reliable, I don't.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Know, absolutely absolutely, and the very tactile, right Like for instance,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: uh Trus is known to be one of the most
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: sensual signs. Right. So, like an example that I could
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: give you a typical torrient date night would be going
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: to like a really fancy Michelin star restaurant where you
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: can you're you're You're not just feasting. It's not just
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: about the taste. It's about the visual experience. It's about
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: dressing up, it's about putting on an ice perfume and
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: all in all, indulging all of your senses. Yeah, let's
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: talk let's talk water. If I told you that I'm
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: a water sign, what would you imagine my personality to be?
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Like fluid, soothing, right, maybe even nurturing.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Like absolutely, no, absolutely.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, helping things grow I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: artistics sensitive, way more tuned into your their emotions in
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: their light more tuned into their emotions and the emotions
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: of their other person.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I give you the example of a tourist state night
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: for cancer. It could be something entirely different. It could
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: be a meal that's more soothing, like a comfort meal.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: But because it's the sign of home. Maybe I'm not
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: to say that they can't be fun or playful. They
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: could have all of these other qualities, but for them,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: having somebody inviting somebody into their sacred space is like
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I said, it is their sacred space. So it's a
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: big deal to give somebody that sort of gate pass,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: you know, as opposed to somebody who is way more
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: social and always has friends.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Over right, So their.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Love languages, maybe cooking for you or literally like letting
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you come into their house or making you meet their
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: family or their pet and those kinds, and through all
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: of these little things, they're letting you know that I
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: care and I'm letting you into my life.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose people.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Should go look up whether they're an air sign or
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I mean a earth sign or water sign or whatever
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: if they don't already know.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely apply some of these absolutely, But like I said,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: it's always a mix of different things. Like say you're
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: a Gemini sun, but you have a tourist rising, right,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: So I can't reduce it to one. But I can
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: say that maybe you have more placements in water signs
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: or earth signs, and that would in some way feature
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: in the way that you interact with other people. How
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: that shows up in your relationships?
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Right, So we have air signs left, right, we have
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: air and file, air and fire.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Sorry, but also I'm sorry, I'm interrupted to say that
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: water and earth are generally more compatible with each other.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: There's a greater sense of I get you. And with
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: fire and earth because it's upward moving energy, there's more
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: sense of adventure and let's try something new and let's
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: get our hands dirty, or let's go on the strip together.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: So there is Yeah, there's there's a deeper sense of
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: understanding in these elements.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: And do do two people who have the same elements
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: like fire on fire earth and tend.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: To they can? Like I said, there's no love is
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: not logical, right, But okay, let's let's say fire. What
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: would you imagine the qualities of a fire signed to be.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Volatility?
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, passion, yeah, yes, for lax zuberns, yeah,
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: absolutely not afraid to shine.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Right, their love language could be motivating their partner.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: What is what am I?
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: So you have a lot of Gemini placements from what
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I am? This? In your big three you have a
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: son and moon both in Gemini And that's an air sign, right.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: So, which the Internet hates.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: I don't you're sitting with an AIRSI oh, okay, But
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: with air signs, I always say, now, personally speaking, I
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: think intellect is such a turn on.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Which is such a turn on, Like you could have
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: the most beautiful gym body in the world, but if
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: you can't turn me on with your words, you can't turn.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Me on, you know.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you relate to that. Yeah. So, but going
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: back to your question about fire and fire, right, because
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: it is passion, is it is exuberance? Now, they could
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: fuel each other in the way that you know, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: motivate you, you motivate me, and we both have big
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: goals energy and this zest for life.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Or it could lead to a lot of frick.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Too much yeah, too much fire, you know, with air signs,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: maybe there's just too much space, too much freedom, and
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: no one calls each other because they were waiting for
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: the other person to call or they could really or
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: they could or they could inspire each other in the
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: way that there's always more conversation. There's deep conversation. They're
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: inspiring each other, they're curious, they're going for they're going
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: doing courses together or exploring new cultures together.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: So it can go both ways. There will always be a.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Deeper sense of understanding, you know, even in friendships. But
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: like I said, how much is too much?
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Interesting?
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Was there anything else we want to repeat about air
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: science because we didn't give.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Them, Yeah, we didn't give them enough firstime, Well why
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: don't you tell me?
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: What do you think about? Perfect? No air science?
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Probably I don't know, filled with self doubt, unable to commit.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just roast me.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to, I think, be very conflict of
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a yes, okay, but I don't know if all air
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: signs are like this. Sure maybe, but I think like
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: a difficult a reluctance to commit sounds quite airing.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely, But like I said, I mean that's
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the thing, right, they need to be intellectually stimulated. Like yes,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I mean everything every connection is inherently mind, body, and spirit.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: But with all air signs, but especially Gemini, every day
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: is not the same day. You can't give them the
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: same package every day. It's not gonna work, right, So
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: there has to be an element of fun and spontaneity
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: and sometimes unpredictability. And I don't mean that in a
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: bad way. I'm not seeing be a red flag, but
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I'm saying keep it fun, you know.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Now, this has been so much fun, honestly, And I
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: think that when divination is presented in the way that
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: you do, in this way that's so empathetic and so
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: fulfilled with compacts and also with you know, self awareness
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: and humor, and it has this lightness to it which
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: feels like a wonderful way to get to know yourself
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: better without any kind of high stakes that stand to
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: get in my way or you know, make me afraid
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: or all of that.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Stuff, which is why I really really enjoyed this.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: But I also want to acknowledge that, unfortunately, sometimes astrology
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: is used in our culture, particularly you know, to prevent
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: people from being able to be with the one that
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: they love, or to induce all kinds of irrational beliefs
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and things. So I want to also address as we
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: wrap like what makes this you know, Let's say you
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: have a kitchen knife.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: You can use it to make dinner, you can use
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: it to hurt.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Someone, absolutely, And I think any anything in life really
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: has the potential to be utilized for good or to
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: cause harm. So I'd love to just explain a bit
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: further since we've talked so much about compatibility as well
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: amy doing so with a certain levity. And yet you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: when people are matching fund laison, as you said, making
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: you marry a tree and this and that, that levity
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: is lost, it can be quite oppressive and quite.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Even quite harmful.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: So do you want to just explain to people how
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: so you know how different this is from that, let's say,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: or I don't.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Actually I don't want to put words in your mouth.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Sure, I just want to sort of reconcile the different
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: ways in which divination has been used historically and can
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: be used, as well as how we can all try
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: and get the most out of it, you know, enjoy
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the insight and perspective and even enjoy that it can
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: bring to get to know yourself and others this way
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: while minimizing and mitigating any potential for harm.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: So, from what I understand, you're talking about Kundli matching
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: right or scope matching, where traditionally astrologers looked at the
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: bird chart of potential partners and said, hey, is this
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: going to work or not? And you have to understand
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: that that system was created at a time where the
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: partners didn't necessary they need each other, so the parameters
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: were different. So I would say again, in some way
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: the system is wild. For instance, you will you can
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: know specifics about sexual compatibility based on apparently what yoni
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: you have, which is the there are certain animal references
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: that are used, and that that particular point amongst thirty
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: six points, will give you a very clear indication of
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: whether you and your partner are sexually compatible. Okay, So then,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: like I said, it is specific, but it has a
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: lot to do with culture and progeny and you know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: right partner for kids, whereas the rules that apply then
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily apply to us. So a lot of people
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: that I know, the way that I want to say
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: say it is that love transcends all. So I don't
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: care if you have three points matching or thirty six
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: points matching, because what's more important is how much you
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: are willing to show up yourself and your partner, and
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: if you're willing to do the work to make that
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: relationship work right, because love is not just love is
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: a verb. Right, I can love you, but am I
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: willing to show up and work on that relationship If
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I say, like, for you know, getting that eternity tattoo
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: or saying I do in front of your friends and
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: family members is not enough. Every single day I put
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: that love into action and that is what defines my relationship.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: And so coming back to clients, I do have a
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: lot of them who I know are deeply in love
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: with each other and sort of feel the sense of
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: opposition from their families because up undert told them that
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: this isn't going to work for xby said reasons and
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: my guidance.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I always to me, it's.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: My go to. It's the cards to tap into whatever
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: higher sources which is their spirit, guides or source to
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: get the guidance that is going to enable them to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: make their journey smoother. So, like I said, it's always
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: guidance space. It's hey, this is going to work. But
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: maybe this is how you navigate an argument, or this
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: is how you navigate family friction. To kind of give
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: them helpful tools and to remind them that Ultimately, it
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: is on you to create your best relationship.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Love Chance sends everything. What a great note to wrap
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: up on, Zora, Thanks so much.
• 50:22
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