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Chuck & Buck 12-19 Hour 1: What. A. Game! That 2 pt conversion and the spark for the defense. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 2: Let's for you, God, oh my gosh, what a game.
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Speaker 3: straight hours of analysis of one of the most incredible
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Speaker 3: football games any of us have ever witnessed. Thirty eight
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Speaker 3: to thirty seven. The Seahawks win in overtime over the
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams. They were calling it from coast to
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Speaker 3: coast the game of the year going into the contest.
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Speaker 3: I would say that it lived up to its hype.
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Speaker 3: Just kind of an unbelievable experience. I mean, there were
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Speaker 3: moments that could not be believed from beginning to end
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Speaker 3: How am I going to do that today? We could
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Speaker 3: you all. Ashley Ryan is here, former Mariner Bucky Jacobson.
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Speaker 3: My name is Chuck Powell. We've got a cast of
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Speaker 3: thousands or three that are gonna join us as our
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Speaker 3: experts throughout the course of our four hours together. But
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Speaker 3: my goodness, what an entertaining evening. And it turned out
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Speaker 3: just right, just the way that it was supposed to
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Speaker 3: go Seahawks with a win thirty eight to thirty seven
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Speaker 3: over the Los Angeles Rams. Are you not entertained, Bucky?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 5: I don't know how you could not be entertained that
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Speaker 5: that is a guarantee. I mean, that definitely the best
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Speaker 5: game I've seen in a long time, and I can't
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Speaker 5: imagine a game that has more on the line. I mean,
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Speaker 5: I suppose than a Week eighteen where you're win and
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Speaker 5: you're in, and you're losing.
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Speaker 6: You're out.
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Speaker 5: But this one the idea of a number one seed, yeah,
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Speaker 5: I mean, typically if you're in that eighteenth week or
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Speaker 5: whatever and it's it's win and get in, you're not
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Speaker 5: also maybe going to get the number one seed or
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Speaker 5: be out.
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Speaker 6: That's not usually the way it works.
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Speaker 5: So this one has some big marbles on the table
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Speaker 5: and for it to live up to expectations and then
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Speaker 5: some I mean the back and forth way in which
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Speaker 5: it went definitely down the stretch was I mean, it
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Speaker 5: was crazy. That place was insane. I'm sure it sounded
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Speaker 5: like it was insane on TV. And just the way
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Speaker 5: in which that went down, I mean, the biggest comeback
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Speaker 5: in Seahawks' franchise history is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, in a moment, Yeah, on that stage with all
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Speaker 3: that on the table. Yeah, incredible.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a big enough deal. In the fourth
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Speaker 7: quarter that Palmer finally put down her iPad.
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Speaker 3: It it was like, I think I need to watch
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Speaker 3: this game.
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Speaker 7: I was like, oh, you've welcome to the world. I'm
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Speaker 7: just over here losing my you know what, all alone.
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Speaker 7: And then she was like oh, and then she just
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Speaker 7: couldn't sit still. She was pacing, she was screaming. We
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Speaker 7: were jumping up and down. I mean, you would have
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Speaker 7: thought we won the Super Bowl if you were outside
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Speaker 7: our house and heard how loud just the two of
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Speaker 7: us were.
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Speaker 3: I think that your neighbors probably didn't notice it because
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Speaker 3: they were likely celebrating just as crazily. Probably it was
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Speaker 3: just an insane game, and certainly it did look lost
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Speaker 3: at one point in the contest, There's no question about it.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that Alan Kirk should have started folding
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Speaker 3: up the tent and started previewing what the Rams playoff
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Speaker 3: schedule is going to look like. I'm not sure. Maybe
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Speaker 3: that was a little premature, but it certainly was a case.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I spoke about this since the Seahawks lost
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Speaker 3: to the Rams twenty one to nineteen. I thought that
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks outplayed them and the Rams won the game.
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Speaker 3: We're even now because Staffords River four hundred and fifty
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Speaker 3: seven yards. Buka Nikoua was unstoppable and Yet even though
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks statistically just got outplayed, they're the ones that
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Speaker 3: ended up making the key pivotal plays down the stretch,
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Speaker 3: including three two point conversions that were converted and eventually
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Speaker 3: the game winner to Eric Saubert in overtime to win
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Speaker 3: at thirty eight to thirty seven. But you know what,
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Speaker 3: you know, even up, even up at this point, and
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Speaker 3: you lost a game at Carolina, So nanny, nanny booboo.
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Speaker 3: We're in first place right now and we control our
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Speaker 3: fate going forward as we pull off the win last night.
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Speaker 3: But certainly there was there. I mean, I wrote down
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Speaker 3: at the halftime part of the game, I wrote down, Man,
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Speaker 3: I can't believe we're getting dominated upfront. I just didn't
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Speaker 3: think that the Seahawks defense could ever get dominated upfront,
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Speaker 3: and the Rams were just bullsh last night. At the
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Speaker 3: beginning of the game, Matt Stafford had one hundred and
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Speaker 3: thirty passing yards the last time total that he faced
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Speaker 3: Mike McDonald. He had one hundred and twenty three in
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Speaker 3: the first quarter. So where were those adjustments? They did
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Speaker 3: eventually take place. The defense did step up in the
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Speaker 3: second half at some point, but still not to the
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Speaker 3: tune of kind of stemy ing Stafford like you did
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Speaker 3: in the Rams win the previous time. There was a
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Speaker 3: moment where and it was in the fourth quarter, a
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Speaker 3: second interception where I did have to write down, gosh am,
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Speaker 3: I gonna have to admit tomorrow that maybe the Rams
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Speaker 3: have Sam Darnold's number. I mean, a sample size of
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Speaker 3: three games seems awfully small for this to have been
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Speaker 3: a national narrative all week long. But man, that's a
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Speaker 3: lot of interceptions against one team over the course of
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Speaker 3: three games. So even wrote that down at one point.
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Speaker 3: But the game turned on Rashid Shaheed's punt return. It
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Speaker 3: changed the higher momentum, changed the entire complexion of the game,
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Speaker 3: and eventually that spark led to the Seahawks pulling off
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say an impossible comeback, but certainly an improbable one.
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Speaker 6: Well, one they'd never done before, right, what was it?
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Speaker 5: One zero in one seventy two and trailing in the
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Speaker 5: fourth quarter by fifteen points or more. I mean, you
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Speaker 5: just that basically says they've never had done that before,
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Speaker 5: and so it's not impossible. We witnessed that last night.
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Speaker 5: That's what I love about sports is that there is
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Speaker 5: a chance that you could see something that they have
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Speaker 5: that team or a team no one has ever done
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Speaker 5: before on any given night. It didn't look like it
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Speaker 5: was going to go that way. I mean that when
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Speaker 5: Darnald threw that interception, And that's probably the thing I
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Speaker 5: would be happiest most about is Sam Darnald not having
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Speaker 5: to answer the questions had he thrown another pick. I mean,
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Speaker 5: he not only did not throw a pick when he
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Speaker 5: needed to down the stretch to drive down there and
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Speaker 5: get that touchdown in overtime and the two point conversion
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Speaker 5: to get that monkey off his back, but had he
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Speaker 5: thrown another pick in that situation, I mean, the conversation
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Speaker 5: that would be going around right now, Oh Jesus horrible and.
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Speaker 7: No, and it would have been we've got the wrong guy.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it would have been.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I mean, you look at Twitter.
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Speaker 5: I didn't look at it all during the game, but
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Speaker 5: afterwards I ended up looking through there, and you see
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Speaker 5: people that were tweeting, you know, an hour before the
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Speaker 5: game was over, and it's like, you know, what, screw it,
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Speaker 5: go get to you know, San Darnold, guy's garbage. It's like,
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Speaker 5: so there was a lot of the negative stuff and
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Speaker 5: understandably so because they were absolutely dominant.
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Speaker 6: I mean, the Rams were dominant at moving the ball.
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Speaker 5: They they turned over the ball on downs their first
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Speaker 5: possession and then scored on the next six possessions. And
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Speaker 5: and yeah, the defense bowed up on a couple of
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Speaker 5: and for some field goals that got kind of helped
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Speaker 5: out with a penalty on the one that was a
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Speaker 5: touchdown taken back, and then they kicked the field goal
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Speaker 5: their second possession. But for the most part, it was
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Speaker 5: they were moving the ball up and down, passing and running,
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Speaker 5: doing doing whatever they wanted. They were moving the ball
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Speaker 5: on that defense, which we haven't seen anybody do, including
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Speaker 5: the Rams the first time that they played. And so
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Speaker 5: they did enough when they needed to. And for you know,
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Speaker 5: kudo's hat, tip of the hat to Sam Donald to
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Speaker 5: throw those interceptions some bad ones down when you have
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Speaker 5: points on the board, you're down, getting ready to punch
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Speaker 5: it in and you throw it right to that defensive
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Speaker 5: lineman on that one. There was times where you would
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Speaker 5: think a guy maybe starts to feel like, man, maybe
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Speaker 5: these guys have my number. It doesn't matter how many
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Speaker 5: people in the stadium or watching the game thought maybe
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Speaker 5: the Rams have his number. He didn't think the Rams
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Speaker 5: have his number. He's like, that's all right if I
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Speaker 5: get another chance. And that dime he threw to was
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Speaker 5: a Cooper cup, that one that is one of the
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Speaker 5: better throws.
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Speaker 3: One jsn as well over on the sideline, which was impossible.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's been the signature of Sam Donald
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Speaker 3: since he's put on this Seahawk uniform. All Right, he's
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Speaker 3: committed a lot of turnovers, but he really hasn't changed
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Speaker 3: the way he played for the first time. As I'm
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Speaker 3: writing down that note, Ashley, I'm sitting here thinking, oh, man,
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Speaker 3: what is this going to do to Sam? Do I
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Speaker 3: really have to admit that might maybe he has a
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Speaker 3: RAM issue? And yet down the stretch despite the two
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Speaker 3: bad interceptions, you know, maybe maybe he got jarred by
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Speaker 3: the failures in the game last night. But man, when
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Speaker 3: it mattered most, he stepped up and he ends up
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Speaker 3: throwing the game winning score. So I think that narrative
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Speaker 3: just ran a muck for weeks now. I even had
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Speaker 3: to hear it this morning on the drive end, still
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Speaker 3: doubting him because he still hasn't won a playoff game.
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Speaker 3: So I mean, this is.
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Speaker 7: He's played in one playoff game and he lost it.
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Speaker 7: He can't just the people can't just keep it's one
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Speaker 7: playoff game.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean people are certainly nationally and maybe even
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Speaker 3: local fans that if you turned on him that quickly.
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Speaker 3: There was way too much booing last night, by the way,
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Speaker 3: for a team that went into that game eleven and
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Speaker 3: three when they were supposed to win eight and a
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Speaker 3: half games this year. But Sam Donald, you know, yes,
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Speaker 3: he was not very good in the first half of
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Speaker 3: his career, but Hugh Millan's done an excellent job all
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Speaker 3: season long illustrating this isn't the same Sam Donald. Guys
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Speaker 3: can change, Guys can become different quarterbacks through different experiences,
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Speaker 3: and sometimes the light bulb goes on later in certain guys' careers.
11:22
Speaker 3: Rich Gannon's a perfect example of that one an MVP
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Speaker 3: after being a career backup, and maybe and that seems
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Speaker 3: to have happened to Sam Darnold. He's unlike ninety percent
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Speaker 3: of his games in the last two years, and you
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Speaker 3: can't hold his early failures against this version of Sam Donald.
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Speaker 3: This Sam Donald has way too much of a small
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Speaker 3: sample size and big game opportunities to be judged that way.
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Speaker 3: But certainly I did have to like give rise to
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Speaker 3: the consideration when he threw the second interception in a
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Speaker 3: really pivotal moment, as Bucky pointed out, And yet he
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Speaker 3: ends up pulling it out. And so hopefully we can
11:59
Speaker 3: back off of this narrative. And uh, he still asked
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Speaker 3: to win a playoff game. He's still asked to end
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Speaker 3: up wrapping up the division. But certainly Sam Donald stepped
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Speaker 3: up when you absolutely had to have him last night
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Speaker 3: and got you to win.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And that is the thing that that second interception
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Speaker 7: I also thought. I was like, oh gosh, please Sam not,
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Speaker 7: please don't do this because I really wanted him to
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Speaker 7: have a good game. I wanted him to recover from
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Speaker 7: the four interceptions. I mean, Kurt j.
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Speaker 3: Platt didn't see that guy, No he didn't. He did
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Speaker 3: not expect.
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Speaker 7: And yeah, they were baiting him to throw it where
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Speaker 7: he was good. Yeah, he fell for it. And that
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Speaker 7: was a good job on the Rams. I mean that
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Speaker 7: should be kudos to the Rams. Yep, on that play.
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Speaker 3: That's a Mike McDonald thing. That's the thing Mike McDonald would.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it is, it is. And but as I kept
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Speaker 7: thinking that whole second half of the game. Here he
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Speaker 7: goes again, because he is not just like you said,
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Speaker 7: he was not afraid, he was not backing down. He
12:52
Speaker 7: was not going to let any mistakes cloud his judgment
12:57
Speaker 7: for how he needed to play in order for us
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Speaker 7: to even have a chance to win that game. And
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Speaker 7: he stepped up. And it wasn't just him. I mean,
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Speaker 7: we came out and we started quick. That was I mean,
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Speaker 7: to score a touchdown on our first possession. I was like, WHOA,
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Speaker 7: where's this been?
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Speaker 3: This is magical Walker's best game of the year.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was awesome.
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Speaker 3: Don't know why he only had eleven carries in it. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: don't know why I only had fourteen touches the way
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Speaker 3: he was running last night. But he played his best game.
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Speaker 3: And look, I mean there were a lot of things
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Speaker 3: that changed there in the second half, Like defensively. Herbstreet
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Speaker 3: pointed it out, and he pointed it out at the
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Speaker 3: exact moment that I did. As much energy that went
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Speaker 3: into this game and as much hype that went into
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Speaker 3: this game, the Seahawks really defensively, I didn't feel started
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Speaker 3: playing like rabid dogs until they absolutely had to, until
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Speaker 3: they were backed into the corner, and Herbstreet pointed it out.
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Speaker 3: I thought at the exact time that he should have, like,
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Speaker 3: this intensity has changed. It's changed with the fans, yep,
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Speaker 3: in the side the building, and it's changed on the
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Speaker 3: defensive side of the football. And they were they were
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Speaker 3: getting pushed around for most of the game. And when
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Speaker 3: it's as if when they lost all of the members
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Speaker 3: of their secondary and I can't even believe how many
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Speaker 3: injuries that we suffered and still somehow and the secondary
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Speaker 3: and somehow pulled off that win. But it's as if
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Speaker 3: when they realized, man, we can't lose one more guy
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Speaker 3: and those guys need our help, that they took it
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Speaker 3: to another gear. Yeah, it felt to me like one
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Speaker 3: of the most intense front sevens in the National Football
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Speaker 3: League all season long needed to absolutely be backed into
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Speaker 3: the corner to raise their game to the level that
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Speaker 3: was necessary to somehow slow down Stafford, get pressure on
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Speaker 3: him and give yourself a chance, give Sam a chance
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Speaker 3: to bring the offense back and win this game. And
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Speaker 3: it happened just in the nick of time. The intensity
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Speaker 3: definitely ratcheted up on the defensive side.
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Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean when they end up you know,
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Speaker 5: when the went down and made it thirty to fourteen.
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Speaker 5: That's when most people, including most Seahawk fans, thought the
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Speaker 5: game was over, and understandably so, there was no there
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Speaker 5: was nothing in sight that looked like you were going
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Speaker 5: to be able to stop them, let alone be able
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Speaker 5: to just get you know, sixteen points to tie that.
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Speaker 6: Thing up in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 5: And you know, I mean, you hadn't scored you know,
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Speaker 5: that many points in the three quarters leading up to that,
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Speaker 5: or three and a half quarters leading up to that,
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Speaker 5: So it did feel like, Okay, this is kind of
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Speaker 5: all for not like you just didn't show up in
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Speaker 5: the biggest game of the season. And yet the part
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Speaker 5: of the team that has been the identity of the
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Speaker 5: team is the defense and the defense. Finally, I think
15:40
Speaker 5: it was Ernest Jones said afterwards and his little thing
15:44
Speaker 5: like what happened to you guys? And he goes, oh,
15:46
Speaker 5: they started laughing in our face. They thought this s
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Speaker 5: was over, yep, And they don't know that we were
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Speaker 5: going to play till the end. Now, you sometimes don't
15:55
Speaker 5: get to play three and a half quarters of getting
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Speaker 5: dominated by a team that I mean, their offense just
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Speaker 5: flat out dominated our defense yesterday. And yet if you
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Speaker 5: can find a way. I don't want to say. I
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Speaker 5: don't think that that McVeigh or Stafford put their feet
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Speaker 5: up on the desk and just stopped trying.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 5: They I think they understood, like, let's all right, we're
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Speaker 5: putting it on them, let's finish this whole thing. But
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Speaker 5: the defense did step up. They said, well, we got
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Speaker 5: to do our job. We we better start doing our
16:24
Speaker 5: job now or we've got no chance. We give up
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Speaker 5: any more points. At this point in time, it almost
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Speaker 5: makes it insurmountable. And so they did, to the degree
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Speaker 5: of basically holding them to that long ish field goal
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Speaker 5: that they ended up missing.
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Speaker 6: And that was it again.
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Speaker 5: It was after that that punt return, it was like
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Speaker 5: the momentum shifted, the defense kicked into gear. They did enough,
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Speaker 5: start playing better, Yeah, Sharper, they did enough, and the.
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Speaker 3: Receivers started making ridiculous catches. Yeah. I mean, it just
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Speaker 3: kind of all came together.
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Speaker 7: That catch, that Cooper Cup catch that then was a fumble,
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Speaker 7: was a ridiculous catch. I mean, the pass was great,
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Speaker 7: the catch was great, and it was It's like when
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Speaker 7: he fumbled out, I thought, oh my god, no, we
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Speaker 7: had such a chance at that moment to really see
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Speaker 7: the momentum going into halftime.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think that's a great point, and I
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Speaker 3: want to I'll point it out now in case it
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Speaker 3: doesn't come back up, because and it probably will, let's
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Speaker 3: face it. But I mean, it said all day yesterday,
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Speaker 3: you just can't lose the turnover battle by three or more. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: they lost the turnover battle by three or more. And
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Speaker 3: not only did they lose the turnover battle by three
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Speaker 3: or more and ended up winning the game, those three
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Speaker 3: turnovers could not have come at worse times.
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Speaker 7: Worst, I mean the worst times.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it's like you look like all three
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Speaker 3: times you had seized the momentum.
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Speaker 7: Yep, and you were moving the ball, well, moving.
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Speaker 3: The ball, getting ready to score and despite the rams
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Speaker 3: kind of shoving it down your throat for the first half,
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Speaker 3: it looked like three different times you had overcome that
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Speaker 3: for reversing it. Okay, here we go, You're getting ready
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Speaker 3: to score. And then not only do you commit the
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Speaker 3: three turnovers and they didn't commit any you just committed
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Speaker 3: them at the worst possible times, and the cup fumble
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Speaker 3: is included in that. So for you to overcome all
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Speaker 3: of that and somehow win the game, you probably did
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Speaker 3: have to have a special teams a special special teams play,
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Speaker 3: and you probably did need a bounce of the ball
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Speaker 3: here every once in a while. But yeah, I think
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Speaker 3: Bucky's right that once that momentum was officially seized, because
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Speaker 3: I wrote it down after the Rashid punt return and
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Speaker 3: then the stoppage, they got the ball back and we stopped,
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Speaker 3: and then I wrote down the top of my sheet,
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Speaker 3: chance to tie all the momentum in the world. And
18:37
Speaker 3: when you got that ball back, it's it's like everything
18:41
Speaker 3: got better. Defense got more intense, Sam Darnold got sharper,
18:46
Speaker 3: playmakers were making plays, and certainly, you know, you benefited
18:53
Speaker 3: a little bit from the bounce of the ball, which
18:55
Speaker 3: you probably needed to have happened for you as well
18:58
Speaker 3: to overcome a sixteen point deficit against a potentially great
19:01
Speaker 3: team in the fourth quarter. And we're going to get
19:03
Speaker 3: into that bounce of the ball because it's going to
19:05
Speaker 3: be a big topic of conversation. We got to talk
19:07
Speaker 3: about the two point tries here today, and especially the
19:11
Speaker 3: one that has caused the most conversation and maybe even controversy.
19:15
Speaker 3: So we'll talk about that in our next segment. But
19:17
Speaker 3: let's find out what's on tap for the entire show today?
19:23
Speaker 3: What's on TEP?
19:25
Speaker 6: What's untech all right?
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Speaker 3: Seahawks thirty seven Ram or thirty eight Rams thirty seven
19:30
Speaker 3: in overtime, Most incredible game of the year. The Seahawks
19:33
Speaker 3: improved a twelve and three. They do take over first
19:36
Speaker 3: place in the NFC West. They are in control of
19:39
Speaker 3: getting the one seed now and home field advantage throughout
19:43
Speaker 3: the NFC playoffs, which is a monstrous advantage always has been,
19:47
Speaker 3: even more so now that fourteen teams make the playoffs.
19:51
Speaker 3: They'll play at Carolina next week and at San Francisco,
19:54
Speaker 3: so it's you know, the Hayes not in the barn.
19:56
Speaker 3: There's still a lot of work to be done. The
19:59
Speaker 3: Los ange Angelus Rams will play at Atlanta next week
20:02
Speaker 3: and they'll be taking on Arizona in the final week,
20:05
Speaker 3: so they have an easier schedule the rest of the way.
20:07
Speaker 3: Pooka Nikua, who caused all sorts of headlines going in
20:12
Speaker 3: to the game last night forty eight hours before, caused
20:15
Speaker 3: more last night. He tweeted immediately after the game, See
20:19
Speaker 3: I told you the rest do things intentionally to help
20:22
Speaker 3: teams win games, something to that effect. It's not word
20:25
Speaker 3: for word, but they couldn't even get it erased before
20:30
Speaker 3: it turned into a story.
20:32
Speaker 7: It's everywhere.
20:32
Speaker 3: I mean, it got to be a story before Sean
20:35
Speaker 3: McVay could even make his way to the podium. He
20:37
Speaker 3: didn't even know about it and got blindsided with it
20:40
Speaker 3: from reporters who didn't ask about blowing a sixteen point lead.
20:43
Speaker 3: Their first six questions were about Poka Nakua and McVeigh
20:47
Speaker 3: nearly lost his mind. We'll talk about that coming up
20:50
Speaker 3: here in a little bit. Humel it'll be with us
20:52
Speaker 3: at eight. Mike holm'er gonna be with us at nine,
20:54
Speaker 3: Greg Bell will be with us at seven. O five
20:57
Speaker 3: should also mention it is a college football playoffs starting
21:00
Speaker 3: tonight Bama at Oklahoma, and an entire weekend of NFL
21:05
Speaker 3: and college football action. And finally, Cracking did lose again
21:08
Speaker 3: last night to the Calgary Flames, four to two. They've
21:11
Speaker 3: lost ten out of eleven games, all right, so pretty
21:14
Speaker 3: much the entire show today is going to be about
21:16
Speaker 3: this incredible game coming up. On the other side, we'll
21:19
Speaker 3: hear of some audio, we'll hear from Ernest Jones, We're
21:21
Speaker 3: going to hear from Sean McVeigh, and we'll talk about
21:24
Speaker 3: those two point tries. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM,
21:48
Speaker 3: Chalk Buck and Ashley with you here on this football Friday.
21:52
Speaker 3: My goodness, what a game last night. Seahawks win it
21:56
Speaker 3: an overtime thirty eight to thirty seven. We are well
21:59
Speaker 3: underway our four hour discussion about this game last night,
22:02
Speaker 3: and our experts are forthcoming, Greg Bell, Hugh mill and
22:05
Speaker 3: Mike Holmgren to all be with us before ten o'clock
22:07
Speaker 3: here today.
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Speaker 7: I can't wait to hear what they all have to say.
22:10
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Hugh Millan is just chewing through the walls.
22:13
Speaker 7: He was so pumped yesterday. I imagine how that the
22:15
Speaker 7: energy in his house during that game.
22:17
Speaker 3: He'll probably mention something like I'm sorry you too. There's
22:21
Speaker 3: no way baseball can match this. Probably I wouldn't. So
22:27
Speaker 3: they're on their way. Our experts are on their way.
22:30
Speaker 3: We're all here from Mike McDonald in this normal spot.
22:32
Speaker 3: At seven forty five, we'll here from Sean McVay in
22:34
Speaker 3: a moment particularly about the two point conversion, the controversial
22:38
Speaker 3: two point conversion. Before we play the audio, I think
22:41
Speaker 3: it is worth pointing out that the momentum had completely
22:45
Speaker 3: shifted by the time that controversial two point conversion that
22:50
Speaker 3: Zach Sharbonay just picked up in the end zone actually
22:53
Speaker 3: had taken place. I mean, we were within two yes
22:56
Speaker 3: with six minutes to go. It's not like that play,
23:00
Speaker 3: you know, left them with no time on the clock
23:02
Speaker 3: to possibly overcome it. I mean the Seahawks had done
23:05
Speaker 3: a lot of great things to get them back in
23:08
Speaker 3: that position, starting with the Shaheed punt return that changed
23:12
Speaker 3: the game. Then they converted a clear two point conversion
23:15
Speaker 3: to put them within a score. Then they stopped Stafford
23:18
Speaker 3: on three and out on the very next drive defensively,
23:22
Speaker 3: That's when I wrote down all the momentum in the world.
23:24
Speaker 3: Then they put together a two play, fifty seven yard
23:27
Speaker 3: touchdown drive with a thirty one yard reverse to Shahed
23:31
Speaker 3: and then that beautiful role left throwback right touchdown pass
23:35
Speaker 3: to Barner, which was a much more difficult catch than
23:37
Speaker 3: he made it look. And so you've gotten back to
23:40
Speaker 3: within two points, not through anything flucish, I mean you
23:44
Speaker 3: had seized control. Not to mention that prior to that,
23:47
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold had driven the team down to first and goal,
23:49
Speaker 3: and then through the interception to Kobe Turner. So it's
23:52
Speaker 3: not like the Seahawks weren't doing a lot of great
23:54
Speaker 3: things during that stretch to put themselves back in the game.
23:57
Speaker 3: So I just don't want to hear the echo of
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Speaker 3: this two point controversy in my head from Rams fans
24:04
Speaker 3: for the rest of my life. And the two point try,
24:07
Speaker 3: let's face it was called accurately. Now, I didn't know
24:12
Speaker 3: that that was the rule either, And if I were
24:15
Speaker 3: the Rams, I'd be like, you gotta be kidding me.
24:18
Speaker 3: I certainly would have this. You've got to be ssing
24:21
Speaker 3: me right now. There is no way that that just happened.
24:25
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, it was a two point try. It looked
24:29
Speaker 3: just like a run of the mill failed two point try.
24:32
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold tries to throw it out to Zach Charbonah
24:35
Speaker 3: didn't even like the play call. But it gets batted
24:38
Speaker 3: down by Jared Versus head, really bounces in the air,
24:42
Speaker 3: almost gets picked off by Durant near the end zone,
24:45
Speaker 3: and then it rolls to a stop and Zach Charbona
24:48
Speaker 3: is the only guy that walked over to pick it up.
24:51
Speaker 3: Terry McCauley, who is the gene sterotur of Thursday Night Football,
24:56
Speaker 3: picked up on it immediately we were wondering, what's the
24:58
Speaker 3: delay about, and McCauley's guys, that might be a backward pass.
25:03
Speaker 3: And if that's the case, that recovery by Sharbonay in
25:07
Speaker 3: the end zone is a successful two point conversion.
25:10
Speaker 7: It's so crazy.
25:11
Speaker 3: So he was all over it right from the outset,
25:15
Speaker 3: and yet I don't think anybody on either side of
25:18
Speaker 3: the ball, including Zach Charbonay, knew oh yeah, that that
25:24
Speaker 3: was going to be counted as a successful two point try.
25:27
Speaker 3: It was undoubtedly a big play, but there was still
25:31
Speaker 3: six and a half minutes left in the game and
25:33
Speaker 3: the Rams had plenty of time to come back. But
25:36
Speaker 3: Sean McVay couldn't wait to get to the podium to
25:39
Speaker 3: complain about this rule.
25:41
Speaker 8: I've never quite seen anything like what happened on the
25:43
Speaker 8: two point conversion where you're lined up to kick off,
25:46
Speaker 8: then they say it's a fumble because they had the
25:48
Speaker 8: clear and obvious recovery. Now you tack it on, you
25:50
Speaker 8: make it a thirty to thirty game. Very interesting. Didn't
25:54
Speaker 8: get a clear explanation of everything that went on, just
25:57
Speaker 8: because of some of the timing of it there to
26:00
Speaker 8: be able to do that, But That's the thing that
26:01
Speaker 8: I've said. I've never seen anything or never been a
26:04
Speaker 8: part of anything like that, and I've grown up around
26:06
Speaker 8: this game. I'm not making excuses.
26:08
Speaker 6: We don't do that.
26:09
Speaker 3: I don't believe in that.
26:10
Speaker 8: It doesn't move us forward, but we do want clarity
26:13
Speaker 8: and an understanding of, you know, the things that we
26:15
Speaker 8: can do to minimize that. When we rejected the two
26:18
Speaker 8: point conversion.
26:19
Speaker 3: He's really good in every way. He's awesome at the
26:21
Speaker 3: podium too, and I get I get why you're confused
26:24
Speaker 3: and upset by that. And I agree with Kirk Kurbstrie
26:27
Speaker 3: who said at the time, craziest two point conversion ever.
26:31
Speaker 3: I think that it was the craziest two point conversion
26:33
Speaker 3: I've ever seen at any level of football. But to
26:38
Speaker 3: the letter of the law, it was the accurate call.
26:41
Speaker 3: And Terry McCauley, who's had to defend it on social
26:44
Speaker 3: media ever since that call, has made it very clear
26:48
Speaker 3: that no matter how strange it looks, it is the
26:50
Speaker 3: right call. Seahawk's just benefited from it.
26:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean, if it is backwards, which
26:56
Speaker 5: it was right there on that line, and it did
26:58
Speaker 5: look like from the angles of this they showed us
27:00
Speaker 5: that yep, it probably was heading backwards.
27:02
Speaker 6: Then it's a fumble.
27:03
Speaker 5: And yet there was a whistle that was blown, which
27:07
Speaker 5: that's where I think there's the if there's a ram
27:09
Speaker 5: fan that's going to have anything to stand on, it's like,
27:11
Speaker 5: well that, how is that in the rules?
27:13
Speaker 6: It is in the rules.
27:14
Speaker 5: Terrisly went in and said, the whistle doesn't mean anything.
27:17
Speaker 5: It doesn't change. You can't say that he didn't still
27:21
Speaker 5: pick up the ball after a fumble just because somebody
27:24
Speaker 5: blew the whistle. The problem is is typically when you
27:27
Speaker 5: blow the whistles, but everybody's like, well, the play's over them, right.
27:30
Speaker 5: I mean, if there was something crazy that happened and
27:34
Speaker 5: it was after the whistle was blown, you would think
27:35
Speaker 5: that would be against the rules. So it's a it's
27:39
Speaker 5: a sketchy one, but I think it's the correct play.
27:41
Speaker 5: I think it's it's called the right way based on
27:43
Speaker 5: how the rules are right now.
27:45
Speaker 6: And yet so it's fumble and nobody picks it up.
27:47
Speaker 5: It was Wade Phillips was was. I saw some tweet
27:52
Speaker 5: that he said, he goes, That's why I've told defenses
27:54
Speaker 5: for forty years. You see the ball in the ground,
27:57
Speaker 5: you pick it up, period, just because you don't know
27:59
Speaker 5: what the city situation is. I don't think anybody really
28:02
Speaker 5: knew what the situation was there, and yet it is beneficial.
28:06
Speaker 6: And to be honest, they needed everything.
28:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had plenty of time left for this game
28:10
Speaker 5: to go either way, but the way that it turned out,
28:12
Speaker 5: they needed every single thing to go their way.
28:15
Speaker 6: And that's just something I've never even seen before.
28:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it was I mean clearly Zach Charmony wasn't
28:19
Speaker 7: picking it up because he thought, oh that ball was fumbled,
28:21
Speaker 7: Oh I need to jumped on it. Yeah, he walked
28:24
Speaker 7: over casually grabbed it with one hand and thank you
28:26
Speaker 7: for doing that.
28:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. But you know what I
28:30
Speaker 3: will also say though, I mean you never know sliding doors,
28:35
Speaker 3: how that affects the way that a team approaches. If
28:37
Speaker 3: you're not tied and you're down two, you're going forward
28:40
Speaker 3: on fourth down. We had two more we Seahawks had
28:43
Speaker 3: two more possessions after that. Yeah, so maybe the play
28:46
Speaker 3: calling is a little bit differently. Maybe you're a little
28:48
Speaker 3: more successful with those two drives that you have, and
28:52
Speaker 3: maybe you end up winning the game in regulation, but
28:54
Speaker 3: you're calling the game differently because it's tied rather than
28:56
Speaker 3: trailing by two points. So anybody any Ram, Sean McVay,
29:01
Speaker 3: match Stafford, and I don't think there were making excuses.
29:05
Speaker 3: I think it is legitimate to say I did not
29:07
Speaker 3: know that that was a big play in the game.
29:09
Speaker 3: But it has to stop there. If you're sitting there
29:11
Speaker 3: at home, you're a Rams fan saying we lost because
29:13
Speaker 3: of some stupid call and some stupid play that nobody
29:16
Speaker 3: knew about. I mean, you know, yeah, it was a
29:19
Speaker 3: big play, but sliding doors. Your your approach to those
29:25
Speaker 3: two possessions change when you're down to versus tied. You know,
29:30
Speaker 3: you don't want to blow the tie. So six and
29:33
Speaker 3: a half minutes left in the game, I'm not going
29:35
Speaker 3: to call that. And then I would also say, and
29:38
Speaker 3: we're gonna get into Ernest Jones in the next segment.
29:40
Speaker 3: I mean, Ernest to me, that was an interception. Yeah,
29:44
Speaker 3: Phogan Nakuan never scores the touchdown in overtime, because to me,
29:49
Speaker 3: that looked like an interception that looked to me as
29:50
Speaker 3: clear as an interception by today's rules as the failed
29:56
Speaker 3: two point conversion looked like a failed two point conversion.
29:59
Speaker 3: But Harry McCauley again was just as convinced that Jones
30:04
Speaker 3: did not intercept that ball as he was that that
30:07
Speaker 3: was a successful two point try. So he was all
30:10
Speaker 3: over both of them. One went their way, one went
30:13
Speaker 3: our way. So look, crazy things happen. You hate when
30:17
Speaker 3: crazy things happen at a time in the game that
30:20
Speaker 3: they can't be overcome. That's when you really yeah, that's
30:24
Speaker 3: when you can really say that cost us the game.
30:27
Speaker 3: You got six and a half minutes left to go
30:29
Speaker 3: and an overtime to win the game. I don't want
30:31
Speaker 3: to hear about some weird two point conversion cost you
30:34
Speaker 3: the game because it didn't.
30:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah there. I mean, there's no one play.
30:39
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't even care if it's the last
30:41
Speaker 5: play of the game. If it's a horrible call, the
30:43
Speaker 5: guy tackles your guy and it's obvious PI, We've seen
30:46
Speaker 5: that in a Super Bowl before and they don't call it,
30:49
Speaker 5: and you're like, that just changed the entire game, That
30:52
Speaker 5: changed the outcome of the season. But for the most part,
30:54
Speaker 5: if there's still is time left on the clock, usually
30:57
Speaker 5: it's not one play that costs you.
30:59
Speaker 6: There was other things. The sliding doors are sliding in
31:01
Speaker 6: all game long.
31:02
Speaker 5: Yeah, whether you convert on the third fourth down of
31:05
Speaker 5: the first series the first time that you had first
31:08
Speaker 5: possession you have, or whether you get stopped, or whether
31:11
Speaker 5: you miss a field goal, all of those things, it's
31:13
Speaker 5: all the sliding glass doors. So to me, I don't
31:15
Speaker 5: really ever put it on one play, but there was
31:18
Speaker 5: a lot of plays that were just like, oh my gosh.
31:20
Speaker 5: But that's what creates the intensity about the game. The
31:24
Speaker 5: entire time. That whole fourth quarter was full of great
31:26
Speaker 5: plays and then things that happened that you're like, what,
31:30
Speaker 5: And it all led to a tide ball game going
31:33
Speaker 5: into overtime and then the two point conversion to win it.
31:35
Speaker 7: It was like all the perfect spices going in to
31:37
Speaker 7: make the best soup you've ever had.
31:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of those soups where you're like, do I
31:41
Speaker 3: like this or not? I don't know. I think I
31:43
Speaker 3: really do.
31:44
Speaker 7: Like you think this might be the best sloop I've
31:46
Speaker 7: ever had.
31:46
Speaker 3: All Right, we'll hear from Ernest Jones next, because there's
31:49
Speaker 3: another angle here we got to discuss before Greg Bell
31:52
Speaker 3: joins it at seven Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ.
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Speaker 1: R f M.
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Speaker 4: It's crazy when they were up. I guess they thought
32:02
Speaker 4: it was over thirty to was it thirty fourteen at
32:05
Speaker 4: one time?
32:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, they thought that it was over.
32:07
Speaker 2: It.
32:09
Speaker 4: It's disrespectful as a defense. That's disrespectful, dispectful to the
32:13
Speaker 4: game because, I mean, it's too much time left on
32:15
Speaker 4: the clock for you to be thinking it's over. I
32:18
Speaker 4: won't put no names on it, but they know, they know,
32:22
Speaker 4: and we won.
32:22
Speaker 6: So.
32:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm yeah. They were saying stuff. Yeah, they were
32:29
Speaker 4: saying stuff. I won't repeat what they were saying because
32:31
Speaker 4: it's not really good.
32:33
Speaker 3: But they were talking. Ernest Jones after the game talking
32:38
Speaker 3: about how the Rams were talking smack like the game
32:40
Speaker 3: was over when they were up sixteen, and from apparently
32:44
Speaker 3: the trainer's room, Nick em and Warr tweeted out, Yep, yep,
32:47
Speaker 3: they did that. They were doing that the entire second half.
32:51
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is about professional athletes. I
32:53
Speaker 3: would think that there is enough at stake in that
32:55
Speaker 3: game last night, and being down sixteen points would be motivation.
33:01
Speaker 3: But Michael Jordan and Tom Brady were the kings of
33:04
Speaker 3: taking advantage of any kind of extra motivation that they
33:08
Speaker 3: could get. And I guess you shouldn't talk crap about
33:13
Speaker 3: being up sixteen against a pretty good defense in the
33:16
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, because apparently from that point forward, the Seahawks
33:20
Speaker 3: really dug in. Yeah.
33:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't know what it takes. I
33:25
Speaker 5: mean you should. I mean to some degree, they're talking trash.
33:29
Speaker 5: Usually you just let your play do the talking. At
33:31
Speaker 5: least that's the way it used to be. Is you
33:33
Speaker 5: go out there and say, yeah, we're we put thirty
33:35
Speaker 5: on you so far and we still have nine minutes
33:38
Speaker 5: to go. That's where that's that's the trash talk that's
33:41
Speaker 5: supposed to happen. Now you're laughing in the face of
33:45
Speaker 5: Ernest Jones or any of these guys. And we did
33:47
Speaker 5: see it get chippy. I mean's a rivalry games, so
33:49
Speaker 5: the guys are going to talk. But yeah, they just
33:50
Speaker 5: talk more now. Yeah, And I don't understand how you
33:54
Speaker 5: don't how you don't see it happen to somebody and
33:57
Speaker 5: come back and bite them in the ass and you
33:59
Speaker 5: don't learn from it because you see it every year
34:01
Speaker 5: across all sports. Some picture will say something and then
34:04
Speaker 5: the dude takes them deep the next one, or vice versa.
34:07
Speaker 5: In football, you hear somebody chirping about something and then
34:10
Speaker 5: they come back and beat you, and you're like, don't
34:12
Speaker 5: you feel even dumber? Now, Yeah, didn't make the loss. Well,
34:16
Speaker 5: it's not like it didn't happen all the way around.
34:17
Speaker 5: I mean, there's idiots in just about every city and
34:20
Speaker 5: every team. It's just I think usually coaches will kind
34:23
Speaker 5: of nip that thing in the bud. But I don't
34:25
Speaker 5: know if you can nowadays.
34:26
Speaker 3: And I think it was impactful, I really because it
34:29
Speaker 3: happened at that time. As I mentioned earlier where Kirk
34:31
Speaker 3: Herbstreet mentioned, man, the intensity has ratcheted up on the
34:34
Speaker 3: Seahawks defense, and I wrote that down in my notes
34:37
Speaker 3: at the exact same time that he was saying it.
34:40
Speaker 3: And yes, I know Stafford threw for four hundred and
34:42
Speaker 3: fifty seven yards and Pooka Nakool was unstoppable last night,
34:45
Speaker 3: and they put thirty seven points on a Mike McDonald defense.
34:48
Speaker 3: But do not underestimate what Seattle's defense did to come
34:52
Speaker 3: back in that game. Yes, Sam Donald made some big plays,
34:56
Speaker 3: and we got some two point tries and caught a
34:58
Speaker 3: couple of breaks, but they had three straight three and
35:01
Speaker 3: outs in that fourth quarter, three straight three and outs
35:04
Speaker 3: which got you to the point where you could all
35:07
Speaker 3: those pieces needed to fall in place in order for
35:10
Speaker 3: you to tie it. And then when it in overtime,
35:13
Speaker 3: and so I guess the Rams trash talking bit them
35:16
Speaker 3: in the ass.
35:16
Speaker 7: Yes, thank you for it.
35:18
Speaker 3: Thank you.
35:19
Speaker 7: I mean, well, I think it's always funny, and yeah,
35:22
Speaker 7: it's annoying when it's your team, but it always makes
35:23
Speaker 7: me laugh when people trash talk because it's like, yeah,
35:26
Speaker 7: eventually we'll come back to bite you in the butt,
35:28
Speaker 7: but they're gonna keep doing it, and it makes it entertaining.
35:30
Speaker 3: And you know, that was not just wildly entertaining.
35:35
Speaker 5: I don't need the trash talk, the added nonsense of
35:38
Speaker 5: immaturity by that game make it entertaining.
35:40
Speaker 3: But that game was unrated. It was just unbelievable. I
35:44
Speaker 3: mean it was just one of those I'm like, I
35:45
Speaker 3: don't even believe what I'm watching. It was a four
35:48
Speaker 3: hour game, for goodness sake, and it just every single
35:52
Speaker 3: moment I was, you know, I was locked in on it.
35:55
Speaker 7: He'd punt return, I was like, that was that real?
35:58
Speaker 7: What just happened? Because even that, like Al Michaels and
36:01
Speaker 7: Kirk Hurvestreet are talking about the Rams winning the Super Bowl,
36:04
Speaker 7: all this stuff, and then he's like, hold on, I
36:06
Speaker 7: should probably talk about what's going on in the field,
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Speaker 7: and I was.
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Speaker 3: Like, I mean, they admitted it, They confessed that. They
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Speaker 3: legitimately turned to their page of notes talking about the
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Speaker 3: future of the Rams. Yeah, and they were talking about
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Speaker 3: the playoff picture for the Rams. And next thing you know,
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Speaker 3: you're right, you're expecting a flag, Like, why doesn't look
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Speaker 3: like anybody was trying to stop him? Was there a
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Speaker 3: flag that was there? A whistle where it was like
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Speaker 3: something happened, And then all of a sudden, you're like, hey,
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Speaker 3: we convert this two point conversion and it's a one
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Speaker 3: score game, and there was a f ton of time
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Speaker 3: left on this clock. I mean, even after we tied
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Speaker 3: it up at thirty, there was still six and a
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Speaker 3: half minutes of play left and the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 7: For goodness sake, he turned it around in like three
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Speaker 7: ten minutes and fifty seconds.
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Speaker 3: So it's not like hurt Locker. It's not like you
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Speaker 3: clip the red wire just in time to save the day.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there were opportunities to win in regulation that
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks didn't quite take advantage of. But in the end,
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Speaker 3: it's a thirty eight to thirty seven win. We're in
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Speaker 3: the driver's seat now, so eat that rams. Nice trash
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