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Top 10 NFL Fantasy Moves · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast part of the Action Network.
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  Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.
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  Speaker 1: I am joined as I am for every episode by
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  Speaker 1: my bff, my companion, my capadre professional better joining me
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  Speaker 1: on the Favorites, presented by bet three six five Simon Hunter. Hello, soymen,
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  Speaker 1: shout out.
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  Speaker 2: Another sports weekend, another weekend of drama. I got to
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  Speaker 2: hear your take on this whole Sham's fandul thing. How
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  Speaker 2: do you view these insiders working for sportsbooks nowadays? Is
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  Speaker 2: it something you agree with or is it like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about this walking of fine line here handed
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  Speaker 2: on information moving numbers and it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot of a lot of people asking us
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  Speaker 3: how we view this. I would love to hear your
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  Speaker 3: view on it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great question. You know, it's interesting and maybe
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  Speaker 1: I was either blind to it, a nerve to it,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't paying enough attention. But it didn't even occur to me, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: Like didn't even think about it. I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: don't think there was anything nefarious going on. I don't
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  Speaker 1: see Shams as a guy who is in the betting community.
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  Speaker 1: I see Shams as a guy who is a newsbreaker
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  Speaker 1: who was connected, and there is a sort of strange
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  Speaker 1: combination of worlds that are still coming together and people
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  Speaker 1: are still trying to figure out where the lines are
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  Speaker 1: being drawn when it comes to operators who want to
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  Speaker 1: acquire customers and also want to be media businesses, media
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  Speaker 1: personalities who want to cash in on betting and go
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  Speaker 1: where they can make a big ticket and do what
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  Speaker 1: they do and using their platforms. Shams has a big
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  Speaker 1: Twitter platform to do what they do. I think this
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  Speaker 1: was one of the first instances where we saw in
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  Speaker 1: real time what is dangerous about it. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: anyone was doing anything to move numbers or to benefit
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  Speaker 1: an operator, but I'm glad. I'm glad hralabab vulgaris Bib
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  Speaker 1: Valgaris he's the one who brought her up on Twitter
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  Speaker 1: and that Dar Ravel did a story about it for
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  Speaker 1: us on On Action. But fascinating, fascinating sort of mini
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  Speaker 1: narrative going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was definitely one of those days
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  Speaker 2: where Woje came out looking really good. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: always the battle between those guys and the NBA insiders, but man,
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  Speaker 2: that was one of those where I mean WOJ He's
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  Speaker 2: not working for any books, right, he still works for
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  Speaker 2: the company not named.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, to me, we can name ESPN.
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  Speaker 3: We love you.
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  Speaker 1: Of course you're mentioning FanDuel on a podcast presented by
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  Speaker 1: BET three sixty five. You can't mention ESPN.
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  Speaker 3: I never I never mentioned them by name, you did.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a professional here.
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot I love. I got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of friends at ESPN, and still I think they're great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just it was one of those where I'm
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  Speaker 2: definitely nervous about it in the sense that if Adam
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  Speaker 2: Schefter takes a contract with a book, I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 2: lie to each other. It's gonna tend some of his
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  Speaker 2: information to me, like it's gonna make some of that
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  Speaker 2: info I'm not gonna trust as much, especially in the
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  Speaker 2: sense that I don't know if you remember this, but
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  Speaker 2: we had a whole deal where we didn't know who
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  Speaker 2: was gonna be playing during all COVID. I thought, really
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  Speaker 2: luckyly with Schefter was just honest about her right, he
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  Speaker 2: was like, this quarterback didn't pass this protocol, he won't
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  Speaker 2: be playing if he worked for sports Piker. I probably
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  Speaker 2: what hesitate, so it's It's definitely of those things I'm
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  Speaker 2: always gonna keep in the back of my mind. Now
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  Speaker 2: with Shams is like, yeah, I think he's legit his
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  Speaker 2: NBA insider. I don't think he's going to really try
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  Speaker 2: to move numbers, move lines, but he did. I mean
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars removed. We saw that number, Flipp I
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  Speaker 2: think it was plus three hundred right for Scoot to
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  Speaker 2: minus two fifty minus three hundred. So it's pretty incredible
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  Speaker 2: to influence these guys who, like you just said, the
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  Speaker 2: dude doesn't even bet like the student's that I'm embedding,
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  Speaker 2: and he's moving millions and millions of dollars. So it's
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  Speaker 2: just we're just in a wild time right now, these
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  Speaker 2: insiders picking up all this money from all these different sportsbooks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Look, WOJ and Schefty Adam Schefter both
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  Speaker 1: went through this and this is not inside information. They
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  Speaker 1: went through contract renewals last twelve months or so, maybe
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  Speaker 1: twelve to eighteen months, and there was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: conversation where either of them going to get big, mega
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  Speaker 1: deals from operators. Ultimately they didn't. They stayed at ESPN.
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  Speaker 3: And Mickey Mouse money, and well.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I think also for their benefit. They realized at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, the value of breaking news
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  Speaker 1: for ESPN is greater than the value of breaking news
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  Speaker 1: for a DraftKings or a FanDuel or any other operator
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  Speaker 1: who might have been sort of figuring out their media
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  Speaker 1: media strategy at the time. Sham's different category, different ideas.
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  Speaker 1: I think this was one of the first instances that
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  Speaker 1: it bubbled up and became the kind of story that
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  Speaker 1: it was fascinating. You're right, won't be the last time
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  Speaker 1: we deal with it. That's the beauty of getting your
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  Speaker 1: like a month away from training camps, you know, eight
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  Speaker 1: to ten weeks away from the NFL season beginning. I
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  Speaker 1: would say, and this is not even opinion. We have
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  Speaker 1: the two strongest Fantasy prognosticators analysts in the country in
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  Speaker 1: Chris Raybon and Sean Kerner. Not only do they join
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  Speaker 1: us for convincing me every Sunday live during the season,
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  Speaker 1: the NFL season, they are what were they top five
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  Speaker 1: in Fantasy Pros player rankings in twenty twenty two. They're
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  Speaker 1: joining us today. We're going through the ten biggest fantasy
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  Speaker 1: moves of the off season. Ray Bon, see you typing
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  Speaker 1: away in our little script here. But but remind me
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  Speaker 1: what were you? Were you like number two, number one
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  Speaker 1: in Fantasy Pros projections? What did you finish?
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  Speaker 4: I was number two?
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  Speaker 5: Shout out to Pat Thorman who finished number one and
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  Speaker 5: I believe Curner was number five.
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  Speaker 4: Soder snuck in there. Yeah, TOLF five.
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  Speaker 5: We've been talking about that. That was our goal ever
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  Speaker 5: since we started working here. We were like, we both
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  Speaker 5: got to finish top five, and I think, yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: think Sean, you got in it like on like week
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  Speaker 5: sixteen or seven.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I had to go on in absolutely yet there
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  Speaker 6: that was.
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  Speaker 4: Where you're gonna catch me.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember Cerner, what got what? What slipped you
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  Speaker 1: into the top five?
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  Speaker 7: I don't remember so long ago I had I finished
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  Speaker 7: first place in week sixteen.
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  Speaker 6: I think it was I.
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  Speaker 7: Just made a lot of bold calls and they all hit,
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  Speaker 7: So I jumped from like tenth to fifth that week.
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  Speaker 1: Do you guys feel like I should get some kind
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  Speaker 1: of credit for recognizing the talent in both of you
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  Speaker 1: and hiring you at the same time, knowing that we
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  Speaker 1: could build a Fantasy Projection powerhouse.
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  Speaker 4: You are getting credit. We're hearing your podcast?
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  Speaker 7: Is that?
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  Speaker 4: Is that really a nice You were doing two more podcasts?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, check out out Marathon AFC and.
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  Speaker 5: NFC West episodes. We got all the other divisions out
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  Speaker 5: already working hard.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I mean Fantasy Flax. Everyone should listen to it clearly,
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  Speaker 1: you guys are top five projectionists according to Fantasy Pros
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  Speaker 1: and that's an independent, verified outlet. That's not some you know,
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  Speaker 1: someone we're paying to get it done. Congrats to you,
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  Speaker 1: Congrats to me, Congrats to Simon just by being here. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: so many freaking moves the other day. Who was it
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  Speaker 1: the other day that came out and said, I think
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  Speaker 1: it was Melvin Gordon. Being a running back in the
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  Speaker 1: NFL totally sucks. Is the worst position to play in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. Yet Jon Robinson drafted top ten by the Falcons.
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  Speaker 1: And yet then again, Dalvin Cook, who when he's playing,
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  Speaker 1: is a miracle of a player. Cut from the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: frees up nine million in cap space for the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: Ray Bond. Going through our little lineup here, you feel
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  Speaker 1: like this is one of the biggest moves for fantasy
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  Speaker 1: players this offseason.
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  Speaker 5: Why well, when we're talking about biggest moves, I wanted
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  Speaker 5: to start here because I think there's still value to
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  Speaker 5: be had with Alexander Madison, who is Dalvin Cook's replacement.
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  Speaker 5: Relative to his average draft position, He's still going off
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  Speaker 5: the board as the twenty sixth running back, and I
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  Speaker 5: think he should be inside the top twenty.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely inching toward that top fifteen.
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  Speaker 5: In six starts over the last three seasons, he's averaged
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  Speaker 5: twenty three touches, one hundred and twelve yards from scrimmage
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  Speaker 5: per game, five touchdowns in those six games. Madison's still
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  Speaker 5: only twenty five years old, under five hundred career touches,
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  Speaker 5: so not a lot of tread on the tires, so
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  Speaker 5: he can, you know, they can kind of run him
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  Speaker 5: into the ground these next two years. They signed him
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  Speaker 5: to a pretty you know, team you know, team friendly deal.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was two years with about six mil guaranteed.
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  Speaker 5: But you look at what Cook did last year in
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  Speaker 5: the first year under Kevin O'Connell, three hundred three touches,
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  Speaker 5: just under fifteen hundred yards from scrimmage and ten touchdowns,
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  Speaker 5: so that's eighteen about eighteen touches per game. I think
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  Speaker 5: Madison will be in that neighborhood. There's not a ton
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  Speaker 5: behind him on the depth chart, and because Minnesota is
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  Speaker 5: essentially in cap hell, I don't think they're gonna go
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  Speaker 5: and sign another running back or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: So this should be Madison. Madison's job.
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  Speaker 5: For this year, for the entire year, and also I
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  Speaker 5: think one other thing to mention here. We love Madison,
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  Speaker 5: but also keep an eye on where Dalvin Cook may
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  Speaker 5: end up, because you have the Broncos are second in
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  Speaker 5: terms of the odds to land Dalvin Cook, Javonte Williams
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  Speaker 5: going RB nineteen, p Ryan RB thirty eight. I would
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  Speaker 5: be careful with those guys. Breis Hall for the Jets
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  Speaker 5: is going in the top twelve at running back, and
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  Speaker 5: the Jets are the third most likely team to land
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  Speaker 5: Cook according to the odds. So there's a few kind
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  Speaker 5: of domino effects that could happen with this move. But
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  Speaker 5: the big winner here Alexander Madison should definitely be a
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  Speaker 5: top twenty running back, still going outside the top twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Alexander Madison.
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  Speaker 5: Hamilton reference, I see you, you see hear you, hear me, cruder,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you didn't finish top three like Raybond, but
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  Speaker 5: you must have an opinion either for against Alexander Madison.
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  Speaker 7: Of course, yeah, I mean, oh yeah, he's absolutely a
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  Speaker 7: top twenty back. Like Raybond said, he doesn't have much competition,
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  Speaker 7: so he should be a workhorse back this season. But
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  Speaker 7: it was over a month ago when we started recording
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  Speaker 7: Fancy flexes for this year, he was going outside the
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  Speaker 7: top thirty, and we're like, look, it's unlikely Dalvin Cook
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  Speaker 7: returns this here, so start loading up on Madison at
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  Speaker 7: RB thirty right, ray Abound he was like RB thirty, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: and then this news happens, and now recent drafts he's
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  Speaker 7: going around like RB fifteen to RB twenty. But the
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  Speaker 7: time to really invest them it was a month ago
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  Speaker 7: when we knew this was going to happen. But he
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  Speaker 7: is absolutely a top fifteen back now with Dalvin Cook gun.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's some shaky backs going in like that,
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  Speaker 5: like even Josh Jacobs, we don't know what's going on
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  Speaker 5: with him.
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  Speaker 4: Briest Hall could be hurt. Givonte Williams.
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  Speaker 5: So I still like Madison in that you know, RB
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  Speaker 5: fifteen ish range, because I think he's one of the
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  Speaker 5: more safer backs, whereas there's a lot of question marks
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  Speaker 5: about a lot of those other guys kind of frozen PONDI,
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  Speaker 5: as Sean would say.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Simon, you watch a lot of these guys on film.
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  Speaker 1: You're just living in Hawaii with nothing else to do
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  Speaker 1: because all the vocanos aren't exploding anymore. A guy like
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  Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, who is injury prone and yet still had
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  Speaker 1: more than three hundred touches last year. Do you feel
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  Speaker 1: like him going to a place like Denver or Miami
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  Speaker 1: the odds right now are I think Miami plus one hundred,
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  Speaker 1: Denver plus six hundred, Jets plus seven fifty and then
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  Speaker 1: you know Buffalo of Dallas and Chicago. Do you look
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  Speaker 1: at that and think, yeah, he would be a market
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  Speaker 1: improvement or do you feel like he's going to be
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of his career.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's not there yet, especially the way that his
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  Speaker 2: body's held up in the sense that he's had injuries,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not major, major injuries to his legs and
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  Speaker 2: that's what we look for. So to me, him going
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  Speaker 2: to Miami, that's a huge deal Jet Like they literally
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  Speaker 2: have one of the best run blocking systems in all football.
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  Speaker 2: Like again, people forget that Shanahan running style system, that's
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  Speaker 2: what they run in Miami. So right there, you have
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  Speaker 2: one of the best blocking systems. Now you're bringing in
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  Speaker 2: one of the best running backs that's able to hit
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  Speaker 2: holes with an offense that has Tyree kill O Waddle.
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  Speaker 2: So ain't gonna be No. Nine to ten men in
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  Speaker 2: the box. This is gonna be really open. I love
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  Speaker 2: that move for Dalvin Cook. I'm hoping the money could
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  Speaker 2: work out he can get down there to Miami. To me,
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  Speaker 2: that's number one. Denver is also a really nice landing
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  Speaker 2: spot for him. I'm hoping he doesn't go to the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: The Jets that that aarrey, seems like that'd be kind
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  Speaker 2: of the committee running backs over there where Again, I
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  Speaker 2: think Williams is really good for Denver. He is not
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  Speaker 2: held up, right, We've seen in this Schedu's early career.
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  Speaker 2: He just doesn't have the body. Seems like the hold
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  Speaker 2: up in this league where.
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  Speaker 3: Dalvin he is Nixon.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he gets a little hits here and there,
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  Speaker 2: but for the overall, like you just said, he usually
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  Speaker 2: gets to his thousand yards. So to me, him going
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  Speaker 2: to Miami, Chad, that is truly a dream scenario. Especially
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  Speaker 2: if you're a Miami backer like you are, Chad. You
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  Speaker 2: are hoping this man goes there because that's a big,
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  Speaker 2: big deal. I honestly could see that moving their futures
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, like I could see you dropping them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe plus fifty, maybe plus twenty five, just
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. But it's still running back moving number.
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  Speaker 2: That's a pretty big deal in the futures market.
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  Speaker 1: Bear's got a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: No, you don't want.
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  Speaker 6: Him, but let's running backs too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's keep going on the running back Sean, what
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  Speaker 2: is your view on a guy going to Atlanta as
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  Speaker 2: the arguably one of the best running.
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  Speaker 3: Backs groups in all football?
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  Speaker 2: Right, they don't even need a running back their front office. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not here to make fun and call them stupid,
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  Speaker 2: but they went out they got Robinson, arguably the best
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  Speaker 2: running back in.
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  Speaker 3: All football from Texas.
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  Speaker 2: What's your view on him and your projection going to
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  Speaker 2: the season for again Atlanta they might have a quarterback
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  Speaker 2: of man, can they run the ball like Smith? Another guy,
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  Speaker 2: great coach, a major run block scheme. What's your view
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  Speaker 2: in Atlanta this upcoming season with Robinson?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: I thought this is a great landing spot for him.
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  Speaker 7: You know, he's probably the best running back prospect we've
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  Speaker 7: seen since Saquon Barkley. He should be one of the
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  Speaker 7: better course running backs on day one in the entire league. So,
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  Speaker 7: like you alluded to, it was surprising that the Falcons
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  Speaker 7: specifically were the team the draft of him. I mean
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  Speaker 7: they were third in DVA and rushing last year. They
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  Speaker 7: have a solid offensive line. They just had rookie running
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  Speaker 7: back Tyler Algier rush for one thousand yards last year,
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  Speaker 7: so it wasn't really a glaring knee, but it just
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  Speaker 7: goes to show how much they value running the ball.
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  Speaker 7: So they felt like adding the best running back prospect
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  Speaker 7: and the top ten picks was worth it. So I
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  Speaker 7: expect him to get over twenty plus touches a game,
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  Speaker 7: and you know he's being drafted as a top three
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  Speaker 7: back and rightfully so I have him as my RB four.
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  Speaker 6: But he should hit the ground running right away. He could.
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  Speaker 7: He's also a good pass catcher too. There's there's no
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  Speaker 7: weakness in his game. The other interesting part is what
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  Speaker 7: are they going to do with Tyler Algier because he
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  Speaker 7: was shaping up to be a potential top twenty back
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  Speaker 7: and fantasy heading into the year. But obviously them drafting
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  Speaker 7: Dijon was a crushing blow to his fancy value. So
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  Speaker 7: he's outside the top forty, but he actually might see
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  Speaker 7: enough touches have some fantasy value with Bijeon healthy as well.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, they just love running the ball, so I
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  Speaker 7: think this just goes to show they're not gonna lean
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  Speaker 7: on Ritter's arm that much. They're just gonna really on
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  Speaker 7: the rock and last year it did work for them.
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  Speaker 7: So I think, like you said, it's probably a dumb
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  Speaker 7: move in the big picture, but I think this offense
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  Speaker 7: is gonna be pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 5: I disagree. I don't think it's a dumb move at all.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: I think the Falcons got the best player in the draft.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Uh. And this is what they're this is what they do.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Like they they weren't gonna find a solution at quarterback
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: this year like that, that was just out of the
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: you know, out of the question. So they got the
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: best player in the draft, made a strength stronger. And
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: I agree with what you said about Out. Yeah, I
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: think I think he's undervalued as well. But I'm buying
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: the Falcons. I think they're the best team in this
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: division already. I think they're better than the Saints.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: And I think their offense is going to be excellent.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: They were already the best offense and in their division
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: by d v o.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: A last year.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady played every game and you know, now you're
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: you're gonna add Bijeon.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: You got a great o line.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: The quarterback situation is probably gonna be better than it
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: was last year too, So I don't.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Think it was dumb.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: I just think given the cards the Falcons were dealt
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: given handy or del I actually like what they done,
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: like what they're doing, so I think they're also gonna
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: be super explosive this year.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Just unconventional by thinking it's not. Raybund just called Kroner
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and Simon dumb.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I mean it's kind of contrarian, I'll give you that
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: because a lot of people look at it. Okay, running
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: back early and it's dumb, but it's it's kind of
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: like in fantasy. It reminds me of how weight round
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: quarterback used to be the strategy. And now Sean and
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: I were talking, it's like you kind of got a
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: draft quarterback a little bit earlier because the market's a
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: little sharper. Like Robinson to me, was the best player
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: in the draft. I know he's not a quarterback, but
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: he's still the best player in the draft.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: To me.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: He went eighth to the Falcons because teams are worried
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: about draft and running back. But if anyone could use him,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: it's the Falcons. And you you know, when you're a
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: team that wants to run, you know that you have
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: to have a lot of backs, right, So Tyler al
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Gear at the top of the depth chart is not enough.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: They are ready, Amy Williams already got he's out for.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: The year, and the other guy, Huntley might be out
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: for the here too because he he messed up with
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: the case.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: So you got like two running backs hurt. So I
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: mean it makes a lot of sense for this specific team.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think it was dumb given the circumstances.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: All right, take back the dumb part.
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: But when I was following in the draft, Jalen Carter
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: was still on the board. They could have traded down
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: and still got Bijon. So it's it's more complicated and
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: it's calling it dumb, but it's something that they're already
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: really good at and now they have the best running
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: back in a long time.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Sean, don't pull back it was dumb. Would you rather
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: have Sap or Yeah?
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: At the time, I think Jalen Cark Carter would have
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: been the better pick there.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: That's what I think.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: I'm intrigued because you got a lot of movable chess pieces. Robinson, uh,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Kyle Pitts, Cordero, Patterson's still there, like everyone's gonna move around,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: You're never gonna know where anyone's gonna wind up. Like
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: I think this, I think this is an amazing pick
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: for the Falcons team.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: But for the Falcons, yeah.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree with Raybound here forget about sort of
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the draft strategy. Bjeon Robinson is clearly one of those
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: backs that people believe can play at an elite level
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: for as long as he is healthy. Right, and simon,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you and I love the Falcons. This is an Atlanta
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Falcons podcast, and during the football season, during the NFL
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Season two our detriment, we often lean heavy into the Falcons,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and before that we leaned heavy into the Titans because
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: we love Arthur Smith.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: We love the.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Way he coaches, We love the way he designs offenses,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: we love the way he calls games. He was pulling
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: miracles out last year with the Falcons covering with bad players.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: It was all system right, and so all of a sudden,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: if he's got good players and a steady diet of
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: running backs who can hit the whole and be powerful
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: behind a good offensive line, all of a sudden, they
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: become a team again that we have to start paying
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: attention to in what is otherwise a pretty crappy NFC South.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: It's true, but we talked about all the time. The
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: history just continually repeats itself the NFL. We sorry saw
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: it with Saquon Barkley Gun the Giants. If you don't
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: have a quarterback, irrelevant. Ezekiel Elliott went to the Cowboys,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: they'd have a quarterback, so it's kind of irrelevant.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: It's like I'm with Chris.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Their talent on office is unbelievable unless the quarterback can
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: put it together. Which again, I still don't think the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: whole Tannehill thing going from Tennessee going to the Falcons
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: is dead yet, Like we'll see once these teams getting
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: camp if this kid can't start putting it together. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: just can't see the Falcons wasting the season. Like we
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: just talked about, they have so much talent in a
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: weak division, Like, if you're going to steal this division,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: this is the year to do it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: For Atlanta already already got my Falcons future in.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on the same boat. I know they're gonna
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: be aggressive. I like Atlanta too, and like.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Before we move on and then we but my thing about.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Bijeon is that it wasn't like it Lena gave up
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: selecting a quarterback to take Bijon, Like there was no
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: quarterback you were really gonna feel good about taking right there.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: So it's like they're gonna have to go find a
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: quarterback next year at some other point, like you know
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: what I mean.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Like it's not like they passed on Bryce Young or
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: something like that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Right right, It's interesting we're talking a little bit out
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of both sides of our mouth here right because we've
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: got Bijeon going to the top ten. We're talking about
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: how great Tyler Lgiers is, Dalvin Cook getting a little
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: bit a wear and tearing his tires, getting cut for
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: cap reasons after a great year, Alexander Madison replaceable running
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: back in an offense that is salary cap strapped. Meanwhile,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and anomaly in the draft is Jamier Gibbs from Alabama
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: also going in the top fifteen, And like all of
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: a sudden, we're seeing draft capital being spent, and not
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: only that, like Detroit taking the guy as a surprise
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and signing David Montgomery from the Bears, basically changing over
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: their entire running back corps on the fly in one season. Raybon,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about the Jamior Gibbs David Montgomery combination.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: And so Detroit.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: You know, in terms of Gibbs, Detroit is kind of
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: they've been making a lot of picks where it looks
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: like a reach, but then they'll make like a pick
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: the next round and get a value and it so
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: it kind of all evens out. I don't love the
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Gibbs pick as much as I love the Robinson for Atlanta,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: but I do think I love this Detroit offense. I
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: think this Detroit offense can be a top five offense.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: And they're trying to add speed and that's why they
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: have Gibbs, who ran a fourth three six forty, and
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: you know they're trying to do that last year too.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: And now James Williams gonna miss six games, so you
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: know that gives addition is important.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: That's going to really give him some juice. He's going
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: RB fifteen.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's a ton of value with him,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: but I should point out that DeAndre Swift was sixteenth
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: in PPR points per game among running backs and twenty
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: second in half PPR, so he was a top twenty
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: four back in all formats and he only averaged forty
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: two percent of the snaps. Jamia Gibbs was taken with
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: a twelfth overall pick. He's going to get more than
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: forty two percent of the snaps, So you know, it's
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: not it looks a little high, but he'll probably land
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: somewhere in at fifteen to twenty twenty five range when
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: it's all said and done.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: He's going a little bit high.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: But I think Montgomery is interesting because he should get
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: that Jamal Williams rope from last year. That's about fifteen
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: carries a game. You know, maybe one to two targets,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: just one for Williams. But my Garmy's a little bit
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: of a pass catcher. But the key for fantasy. Jamal
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: william had an NFL high forty five carries inside the
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: ten yard line last year. That was sixteen more than
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: the next highest player on that list. Williams had twenty
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: eight carries inside the five. The second most got inside
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: the ten was twenty nine. So like this could be
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: Montgomery this year and they signed him to a three
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: year deal. They obviously wanted him. They could have just
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: you know, brought back Williams probably for cheaper too.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: So I think.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Montgomery at RB thirty is very intriguing because you know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Gibbs is gonna play in the slot, some he's gonna
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: move around. They're still gonna need a back to take
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: you know, probably thirteen to seventeen carries a game. I
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: think this team is going to be, you know, a
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: nine to ten win team. The division isn't that strong,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: so the game script should be there. So Montgomery to me,
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: is the value. But Gibbs is an exciting own a
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: little better in bast ball, I think. But Montgomery RB
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: thirty I'm buying.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell is telling us we have to pick up
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the pace because we have ten topics to get to.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I love each one of these so much that we
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: could talk about each one for a podcast. What I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: will say, what I will say before we get to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the next running back is as much as we love
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the Lions last year, Simon, are you with me and
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: that they might be an auto fade early in the year,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: just in the.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Sense that they're the most loved team right in that
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: division by far, Like that's just everyone's been betting them.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I think you've talked to a lot of book makers,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you know the deal chatter where they say, yeah, we
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: about eighty percent of the money right now is pouring
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: on Detroit to win this division. It's just they're the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: public darling where I think Chris has nailed it though,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Like offensively, they are really talented. They have a lot
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: of weapons on that offense, and we assume they're defenseill
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: be better. Last year, right their second year I think
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: was ruining thirty second and then the mid point of
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the year they fired them and we saw they made
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a run.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: They almost made the playoffs.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: So it kind of makes sense that the public is
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: so inaborated with this Detroit team just in the fact
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: they are so talented across the board.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Here's what I love about the NFL last year. Jamal
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Williams record setting year as a running back. Anytime you're
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: talking about the Lions who are playing their heart out
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and every game is a gutsy win or a close loss,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: and everyone is like, Jamal Williams is our spirit man.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: He is the heart of our team. We love Jamal Williams.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Cut too, eh, we can let him go.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: That's football. That is definitional football.
• 27:26
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• 28:37
  Speaker 1: ask Sean about your favorite former Philadelphia Eagle.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I'm shocked at Mets tickets are at one dollar chat.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: They are tarrible.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I know, it's really become a folly like that the
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  Speaker 1: other night that no Metslander.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: He's no mets Lander. Damn it.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Ray bounds out on the West Coast.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: He's forgotten. How terrible to followed Mets when you're in I.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Ever got and they haven't want to wear a serious
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: since I was in my mother's room.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Sean, Let's talk about another team in the NFC South. Here,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: we got our guy, Miles Sanders down in Carolina. My
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: may got paid. He is the apparent number one three
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: down back. That's what they're talking about. Which review on
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Miles Sanders, a guy who have we ever seen him
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: hold up in a full season after getting a ton
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: of carrier? So I'm interested hear your take on what
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Miles Sanders is projected going into the season.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And can you do it in a Southern accent like
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Simon just tried to do it?
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: Impossible. I don't have that in me. But yeah, you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: he's leaving one of the.
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: Best offenses in the NFL to go to the Panthers,
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: So you know, on the surface that might look like
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: a downgrade, but you know he's going to be operating
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: as the workhorse back here, including a pass catcher. It's
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: not like he can't catch passes. He does have that
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: skill set. You know that Eagles like to rotate backs in.
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: Jalen Hurst doesn't like to dump off that much. He
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: tends to scramble, so this is a where he could
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: you know, catch more than forty passes this year. Plus
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: Jalen Hurts, you know, he had forty five percent of
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: the Eagles rush attempts inside the five, so you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: Sanders helped push Jalen Hurts into the end zone. But
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: maybe in Carolina he gets to run with the ball
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: into the end zone, so his touchdown upside could be
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: a bit higher here. So there's a chance he could
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: finish as a high end RB two in this offense
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: as the lead back. So I think he's kind of
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: sneaky in this RB twenty range, Like Ray Bond said,
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: a lot of backs in that range are kind of iffy,
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: And certainly there are some question marks with Sanders going
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: to the Panthers, the offensive lines a little bit worse,
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: but it's not bad.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: So I think that you can get him, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: at a.
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: Deal right now in the RB twenty range. Plus, this
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: move also opens up the door for backs like Rashad
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: Penny or DeAndre Swift to step up in Philadelphia. So
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: this is one of the biggest moves in the offseason
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: I think for Fancy.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Well, you just mentioned DeAndre Swift. Not that I want
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: to short change anything, ray but I might have to
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: say about Miles Sanders. But we're going through a sort
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: of you know, ven diagram here. DeAndre Swift leaves the Lions,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Miles Sanders leaves the Panthers. Now DeAndre Swift he is
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: in Philly. Give me your take right now on his
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: value as a running back, Chris Raybon.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I you know, Swift has fall into about
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: the RB twenty five range, and I think he does
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: have some upside there because again, he was, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: a top twenty two running back in all formats, and
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: he only played forty two percent of the snaps last year.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: And there's not many places you can go offensively where
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: you're running back. It's a better situation than Detroit. Now, obviously,
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: you know they didn't want to play him because Deucey
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: had beef with Duce Staley, who's now with Sanders in Carolina.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: By the way, So I do love Sanders the group
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: with Sean there, but I actually think Swift as he
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: kind of trickles down on the board a little bit,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: does have some upside here because he can be highly
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: efficient in this egle offense.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Boston, Scott and Kenneth Gainwell combined.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: For forty five percent of the snaps last year, so
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: you know, there's a lot of snaps to be had.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of goal line carries to be had.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Even with Hurtz, you know, taking a lot of those carries.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: Miles Sanders was still forced in the NFL with twenty
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: six carries inside the ten yardland.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: So you know, I.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Think Swift and Rashad Penny, who's going as the fortieth
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: running back off the board, both have some upside here.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: And the thing about Penny is you're just worried about
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: him staying healthy. He's only played about half of his
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: career games. But that actually gives Swift a little more
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: upside because you got to figure there will be some
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: games that Penny's gonna miss it and Swift is going
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: to be a little bit more of a workhorse and
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: then but I would still take a swing on Penny
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: in redraft leagues as well, because, as remember Detroit traded
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Swift during the draft, the Eagles had already acquired Rashad
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Penny presumer leader replace Miles Sanders. So I think he's
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: gonna get a good deal of work as well. He's
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: going from a bottom three offensive line in Seattle to
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: a top six offensive line in Philly. So as long
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: as you're not playing in a best ball league where
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: you know, those miss games tend to hurt you, like
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: if you're in a redraft league where if Penny gets hurt,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: you could just venture him.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: I think he's worth a swing too.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: At RB forty, I love the value there, and then
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Swift now at RB twenty five is pretty decent as well.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: But Penny is very intriguing, you know, kind of in
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: somewhat of the Sanders role.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: But I think it's gonna be like.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: A probably a forty, like a fifty five forty split
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: between those two. Maybe you know, Boston Scott or Gainwell
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: gets you know, five to ten percent of snaps, but
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: a lot of fantasy goodness to go around in Philly.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: So like both these guys landing here in phillip for.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: You chat, have it go ahead.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, Howie Roseman does it again though he
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: gets four running backs for the same price on Miles
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Sanders getting paid Carolina.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: It's just it really is Chest and Checkers, Chad, it
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: really is Dimond.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: That's why this upcoming season will have the Howie Roseman
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Pick of the Week because it's the obvious genius play
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: that everyone else is trying to outsmart themselves and avoid.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: But as an Eagles fan, I think the combination and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: for you, simon of Swift and Penny is so interesting
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: because both of them, if they were ever fully healthy,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: would be potentially dominant running backs, and you never see
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: them playing full seasons. But their combination, their speed, especially
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: for Swift and Penny, makes them really really interesting assets.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You just never know how much you're going to get
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: from each of them for a full season. So as
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: an Eagles fan, do you all of a sudden think, Wow,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the Eagles actually are going to be in a better
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: spot than I thought they would be when the season
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: was ending.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that, but I've been drafting
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: these running backs. I've been going Swift. I actually been
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: going gang Well, Kenneth Gangwell over Penny. Just in the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: fact that again, I get where people are kind of
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: down in Kenneth Gangwell. I really think the team took
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a lot, not just a lot of belief in him,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: but a big step up in the sense that he
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: got a lot of touches in the playoffs, Like he
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: ran incredibly well against that Giants defense and the forty
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: nine Ers defense. Like if you go back and watch
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the tape, he played really well. It just seemed like
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: he was always the second guy to Miles Sanders. So
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I still think this team's gonna give Kenneth Gagwell first
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: kind of chance. And look, just because he's been in
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: this offense. So that's the kind of guy that's being
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: left for dead, right you can get him, man, I
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: think I got him to like the freaking eighteenth round
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: in one of these best ball drafts. So it's kind
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: of a guy he's left for dead. Where you just
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: talked about Swift rarely Stairs healthy, and same with Penny,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: you may be able to get a really nice deal
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: here getting one of these late running backs. But let's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: switch to wide receivers, Chad. I know you want to
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: talk about this guy to my man, showing.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's the most important topic of the show.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Sean, what are low look on our favorite receiver?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Me and Chad had been talking NonStop about this move
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Dj Moore to the Bears.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: We always say Chad.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: The quarterback if they want to take the next step.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen wants to take a next step. Jalen Hurts
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: wanted to take a next step.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: What do you need?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: You need the number one receiver, and we all believe
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the Bears have one. We think DJ Moore easily is
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: a top five receiver. Is he going to be that
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: this upcoming season for you with? I mean Justin Field's
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: throwing this deep balls to him.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: Right, So I think this move has less of an
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: impact on More specifically, as I don't think he gets
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: much of a boost going to the Bears. You know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: the Bears are run heavy team. Justin Fields scrambles a lot.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: He takes a lot of sacks, so those are you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: lost pass attempts that More could be seeing. So I
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: don't know if it's a boost for More, but it's
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: certainly a boost for Justin Fields. You know, a weapon
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: like Dj Moore can really unlock his upside and Fields
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: was the QB five in points per game in Fantasy
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: last year that was despite having one of the worst
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: supporting casts in all of football, and Darnell Mooney missed
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: quite a bit of time as well. So I think
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: this is sort of like what we saw with Jalen Hurts,
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: you know, after the Eagles got DeVante Smith and they
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: had AJ Brown, Like that's how you unlock their upside.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: So I think Field certainly has top three upside this year.
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: You know, Darnell Mooney also being a number two receiver
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: is huge. I don't think he's a number one receiver
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: that should command a lot of targets. So I think
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: DJ Moore taking some of the attention away from Mooney
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: my unlock Mooney's upside.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: So this is just all positive news, you know, for.
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: Justin Fields to have a talented receiver like DJ Moore
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: that he can rely on.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, I think that what you just said about
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Justin Fields and being as effective as he was without
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: any real receiving threats says so much about his ceiling
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and so much about are we really going to learn
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: this year what Justin Fields is because that, to me
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: is the fundamental question. And I know I'm saying it
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: as a Homer Bears fan, but also just saying it
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: as someone interested in the NFL and the impact that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: we'll have not just on the division, but potentially a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: much weaker quarterback conference in the NFC. Raybaon, you are
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: a quarterback connoisseur, and we're going to get to another
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: one of your quarterbacks sort of that you've been talking
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: about fading for years in it. I like how Matt
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Mitchell backloaded the podcast for the stars in the second half,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: keep them interested in Matt Mitchell. Nice job. When you
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: look at Justin Fields, do you have optimism about his
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: extraordinary upside for this year coming to fruition.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this right now.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: I've said this on the Fantasy Flex already with Sean
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: say it. I'm gonna say it on a thing sugarcoat
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: it you and for Simon, Justin Fields has within his
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: range of outcomes a realistic change to be the highest
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: scoring player in fantasy football this year. I'm drafting I'm
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: drafting Justin Fields everywhere. Remember we talked about how, you know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: maybe five ten years ago in fantasy there were all
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: these scrambling quarterbacks even a few years ago that you
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: could get outside the top twelve, sometimes even outside the
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: top twenty, you know, even a couple.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: You know, even Fields.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Last year, you know it was a bargain, but the
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: market's kind of sharpening up. And Justin Fields reminds me
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: of Jalen Hurts last year, where you know, we love
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts and he was like QB.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Ten and QB nine and KB eight and GB seven.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I think he ended up being like six or five,
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: but he was still a value, right Like, he's still
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: crushed that ADP that's Justin Fields. This year, he's like
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: QB six right now. But can he outscored Josh Allen?
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Can he outscore Patrick Mahomes?
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: Because he Like, here's the craziest thut about Justin Fields.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: He ran the ball three times less than Jalen Hurts
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: and had almost four hundred more rushing yards. Like, this
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: guy is just a monster. He's explosive, and now he's
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: got a receiver and Moon's coming back.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Comet broke out last year.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Maybe Claypool will get We'll get more than one or
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: two of the plays in the playbook this year. I mean,
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: this could be a completely different offense. And I think
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: the pass attempts will go up. I think the efficiency
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: will go up, like we could be looking at a
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: completely different offense, kind of like how you might have been. Oh,
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know if Jalen Hurts can support you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: two top fifteen receivers, Devonte Smith and A. J. Brown
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: last year, Well he did so. I actually think Dj Moore,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: age twenty six season squarely in his prime. All of
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: his targets last year were from PJ Walkers, Sam Darnold
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: and Baker Mayfield. So I actually do think he gets
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: a massive jump with Justin Fields. It's not an elite,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: but it's a lot better than those three guys. And
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: we've seen what DJ Moore can do with even average
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: quarterback play. I mean, this guy's always right around a
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: thousand yards. Uh, And you know, like this is I'm
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: all in on Justin Fields, and I think DJ Moore
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: might be able to slept on as well because I
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: think he's going to be at target. I think he's
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: going to be very consistent weekend week out, and he
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: doesn't miss gimes.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Simon, How great is that?
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Well, my favorite joke I was gonna make is well,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts probably kneeled down a lot in the games
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that affected I don't think you have to worry about
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: justin Field.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: And one touchdown touchdown.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: I actually when I model quarterback rushing yards, I actually
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: break it to quarterback scrambles designed non kneel down runs
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: and then kneel down, So I actually factor all that
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: stuff in and justin Field still projects for right. But
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: justin Field still does project for a more efficient running
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: than the Awen Hurts, if you can believe that, Like this.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: Guy is just a month now.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: I think I think he'll run a tiny bit west
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: this year because he's got better weapons. But you know
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: that's gonna be a major part of offense. That's just
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: what Justin Fields is. He's an explosive runner. He could
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: launch the ball down the field. So yeah, I think
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: this is like the same way we saw I know
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: it's a cliche. At this point, we saw it, Josh Allen,
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: take that next step. We saw it, Hurts, take that
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: next step. I think Field is next.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Judge is worn out.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Now we're gonna get a breakdown about Rogers here. I
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: gotta hear my Rogers.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: So I'm fading Rodgers like I'm jelling Rodgers, socker, socker.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Context. He had no no, no joke no Joe credit
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: for Raybond. Before Aaron Rodgers had a couple of great
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: years where the floor came in. Raybond had pinpointed the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: downfall of Aaron Rodgers and why he wasn't playing as
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: well as he had been. And then they changed the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: playbook and he stopped doing a lot of stuff that
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Raybund said he was doing, and he had two fantastic years.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think he does anything close to what he
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: has done in Green Bay in this resurgence. I don't
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: think he has the same respect. I think he'll have
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a longer leash. I think he will have krt Blanche.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Raybond, tell me why. I'm right.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: So Aaron Rodgers is coming off statistically pretty much the
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: worst season of his career, and obviously I know he
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: was hurt. So you have to kind of figure out, Okay, well,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: how much of that is the age, how much of
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: that was the injury, and how much of that was
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: just losing Devonte Adams.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: There is a bunch of things.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: But I don't think the value is in drafting Aaron
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: Rodgers at QB fourteen. But the reason people need to
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: be aware that Aaron Rodgers is gonna have an impact
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: on his Jets offense is because of Garrett Wilson.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: We know that these days.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Wide receivers because they get so much playing time early
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: and this is such a passing league. It used to
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: be year three wide receivers breakout. Now it's year two.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Receivers tend to take a big leap in their efficiency metrics. Well,
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Garrett Wilson already put eighty three balls for over eleven
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: hundred yards last year, only had four touchdowns. But you
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: look at what Aaron Rodgers is going to do, and
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: I think he is going to four Steed Wilson targets.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Last year, Wilson was targeted on twenty three percent of
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: his routes. Aaron Rodgers. The last five seasons, his number
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: one wide receiver has been targeted twenty eight percent of
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: the time. And that's also in line with what you
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: usually see. You know, if a guy puts up you
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: know about twenty plus targets per route in year one,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: he's usually jumping into those high twenties in year two. Anyway,
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers top receiver usually around two and a half
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: yards per route. Wilson was at one point nine last
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: year with you know, Zach Wilson and all those other bumps.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: So I think Garrett Wilson is primed to explode. He's
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: going at wide receiver ten. I'm fine with taking him there.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: But that's really what I think. The benefit of Rogers
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: is how doesn't matter how efficient he is or even
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: how much he helps his Jet offense as a whole,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: He's going to make Garrett Wilson better. And remember, Garrett
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: Wilson the last ten games was on the field for
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: ninety seven percent of the Jets pass naps. He came
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: off the field for about one snap a game, and
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: that was usually when he got winded or took a
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: big hit or something like that. He's gonna be on
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: every play and Rogers gonna look for him. And so
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: you could see Garrett Wilson put up a DeVante Adams
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: like season. He has that kind of talent in terms
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: of being able to get separation and move with the football.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: So I'm not really in on Rodgers, but love to
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: move for Garrett Wilson.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: What's your take on that, coroner, Do you have a
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: different take on Rogers?
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: No, No, I agree with that, and I think this
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: unlocks Garrett Wilson's upside, he is for sure a top
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: ten receiver. I also like Alan Lazard in the wide
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: receiver fifty five range.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's the guy that he has the most
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: chemistry with.
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: And Aaron Rodgers is big on just you know, having
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: chemistry with receivers knowing where they're gonna be. So I
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: think Lazard, well, he doesn't have a ton of upside,
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: is a pretty good wide receiver fifty five right now.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny when we start doing convince me
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: on Sundays in the fall, h and Kerner and Raybahn
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: and Simon are all trying to convince me of the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: best bets I should make. I guarantee, I guarantee the
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: number of times I hear about a disgusting third string
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: running back or tight end versus the number of times
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I hear about Aaron Rodgers or Justin Field and betting
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: their overprop the over on the disgusting tight end or
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: third string running back will be so much higher than
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Justin Fields or Aaron Rodgers.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: Quarterback markets are usually fairly sharp compared to wide receivers
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: and pass catchers in general.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: That's more like why that is.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: Oh, I mean I would I would actually vent Rodgers
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: under his passing yardage because he's gonna have a really
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: good defense with his Jet team, so you know, he
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: might not throw for a ton of yards.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: They just might all go to Wilson and end Blizard.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: My point is this might be the most we talk
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers as a quartet the entire football season,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: because I'll get more. You know, Pepe lapew thirdstring running back.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: UH Carter Simon's favorite quarterback in the draft, the one
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: he was putting all his chips on was Anthony Richardson.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Nice drafted by the Colts. You've got him on our
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: list as one of the biggest fantasy moves during the NFL.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Could be a league winner, Chad a league winner this season,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: explained yourself. Tell me what is right?
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So if you were to design the perfect fants
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: football quarterback in a lab, Anthony and Richardson would be
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: pretty frigging close to that. He might be the best
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: athlete we've ever seen play quarterback, and he has e
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: la arm talent. Now, he's still pretty raw, so it
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: might take him a year or two to develop as
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: a passer. If anything, That means he might lean on
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: his legs even more in your one, which is great
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: for fansy football. We love that. But the reason I
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: think the Colts was such a good landing spot is
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: you know, he was favored to go to the Seahawks
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: or Titans, which would have made it really tough for
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: him to start this year. Like I said, he doesn'ted
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: to develop a bit, so I would have only projected
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: him for a handful of starts if that, But landing
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: on the Colts needs that he could be the starter
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: as soon as week one. I don't think Gardner ivanshe's
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: good enough to really hold him off for too long,
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: and they want to get him reps right away. So
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: also he gets to play for Shane Steichen, who helped
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: develop Jalen Hurts in Philadelphia. So just I thought there
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: was a fantastic landing spot for him. His fantasy upside
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: so he's going right around QB fifteen right now, but
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: if he starts week one, he'll easily clear that. So
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: if you can't get Justin Fields earlier in the draft,
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: you can wait and get Richardson a bit later, and
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: he has top five upside, maybe not a near one,
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: but down the road. So I love getting him at
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: that point in my.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Drafts, Simon, you love Anthony Richardson.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's not like I'm projecting a Cam. I mean,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: we all remember Cam Newton's rookie season that was truly
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: the pinnacle of what you hope for, Right, that's like
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: peak form. I'm not even looking for that. I'm just
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: looking for what I feel like. Even Chris talked about it.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: These running quarterbacks, like the market is catching up to them.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: But that's kind of what we're doing here where we're
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: really buying low. Right, It's all about where you spend
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: your draft capital. You can get Anthony pretty late. So
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: even if he is a bum and he doesn't work out,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: he can't pick up the offense, you can find someone else.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: But the hope is when these guys come in with
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: this high athletic ability, that's what they rely on.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, this kid can't read defenses. He doesn't
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: really know how to read the offense either, but when
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: in doubt, he'll pull it down and you run it.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: And I mean, how many times do we see with
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: justin fields like you're like, oh, he's gonna get caught here,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna make it through and he makes it through. Right,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: these freak athletes, there's no way to quantify it. So
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: to me, Anthony Richardson, his upside is so high, and
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: what you're paying for him the draft capital, it's just
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: it's worth the risk of the scuppy them in season
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: in the sense that every year there's these running quarterbacks
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: that people kind of don't take, right. Say, it's him
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: coming up, and some guy out there is gonna take,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: you know, a stand in passing quarterback before him, don't.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: We don't hate on it, right, some guy's gonna take
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Rogers there at QB fourteen. To me, I didn't rather
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: take the upside of Richardson. So that's the whole point
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: we're projecting out from these players.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: And let me say this, Richardson is the one quarterback
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: where I never recommend, you know, in redraft, taking multiple
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: players at the onesie positions, you know, quarterback, tight end.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: But I would actually draft Anthony Richardson even if I
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: got a top twelve starter, just for the upside, and
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: because a lot of times I will be drafting a
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Fields or a Josh Allen or a hurt and or Lamar,
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: and running quarterbacks do get hurt, So you know, I
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: just look at it. If you can get him as
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: your QB two, I think he's the one guy worth
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: using a roster spot on that second QB because I
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: don't know if there's anyone else that you're gonna you know, like,
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: if he start, whenever he's starting, you know, his upside
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: is going to be similar to Justin Fields or somebody
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: like that. And I just don't know if you're getting
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: another player there that you could kind of bank on
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: that type of upside right away that that loan the draft.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: So I actually would make an exception for him and
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: have him as my QB too. I think that would
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: actually be the ideal scenario because you know, GARDAVNHW might
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: start Week one in the coach Automatic loss to Jacksonville.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Well, so's sound with.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Kebs then, Chris, if you're if you're viewing any team
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: that has lost the biggest key position, it's gotta be Tampa, right,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Tampa lost Brady. What's your outlook on this couple because
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: upcoming season, because Mike Evans is still there, Godwin's still there.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: How are you viewing these guys now? Where?
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, man, it might be Baker Mayfield throwing to him,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: like what are we doing here? So what's your view
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: of this upcoming season on this Tampa team?
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: The arrow for Evans and Godwin is pointing downwards, like
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Tampa Bay themselves, like they might they might have a
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: pretty good defense and might play, you know, like they
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: might keep games closer than we think. And Mike, they
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: might be one of those teams we're betting on as
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: an underdog a lot. But in terms of their fantasy potential,
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: it's probably gonna be ugly because you look at Mike
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Evans and Godwin. Last year they were volume dependent wide receivers.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: They both finished in the top twenty. But Evans seventy
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: seven catches, just over eleven hundred yards, only six touchdowns,
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: and Chris Godwin over one hundred catches, just over one
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: thousand yards, but only three touchdowns. So a lot of catches,
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: a lot of yards, not many touchdowns even last year. Well,
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: now you're going from Brady to Mayfield and or even
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: Kyle Trask twenty one third rounder, nine career pass attempts.
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: But the issue here is not just to drop off
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: in terms of the efficiency.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: It's the volume.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: Because when you have Tom Brady, you're gonna throw forty
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: four times a game.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: That's what Tampa Bay did last year.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: They led the league forty four point two pass attempts
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: per game, forty more pass attempts than any other team
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: in the National Football League. Baker Mayfield has only attempted
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: that many passes three times in his entire career.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: He averages under thirty two attempts per game for his career.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: So I think you're gonna see a totally different offense,
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: a lot fewer passing attempts, and Tampa Bay's defense still
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: isn't bad. So yes, they're gonna be probably one of
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: the worst teams in the league, but that doesn't necessarily
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: mean they're gonna get run out of the building. I
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: could see them playing a lot of like twenty to
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: ten games, you know, seventeen than not. Those kind of
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: games not gonna be too conducive for a fantasy production
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: from the passing game. So I'm hoping Mike Evans can
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: still get his keep his one thousand yard streak going.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: But remember he got like a bunch of touchdowns in
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: one game last year.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: It was pretty ugly outside.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: Of that, and and Godwin, you know who knows, with
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: him I think he's gonna be a little healthier, but overall,
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: you know, he had a he was one hundred hatch
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: receiver last year. He had about twenty five more catches
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: than Evans. And with the volume decrease we're projecting, I mean,
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: you know, Godwin and Godwin could drop off, you know,
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: twenty thirty catches if not more, and Evans could have
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: his first sub one thousand yard season. So right now, Evans,
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: even though they finished top twenty, Evans going wide receiver
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: twenty seven and Godwin going wide receiver thirty. And I
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: think that's fair because you just don't the touchdowns. You
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: just don't know where they're going to come from. When
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: when Baker Mayfield and Kyle Trask are in your quarterback ron.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Before we get to our last topic from Kerner, which
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: is also I think fairly controversial. In a little bit
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: of a surprise, quick round robin like we do and
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: convince me, quick round robin, Mike Evans Hall of Famer,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Sean Kerner yes or no?
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, Simon Hunter yes or.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: No yeah, easy easy, Raybond.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Easy us or note yes absolutely. I think I agree.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: All right, Curner. We just went through Tom Brady, Aaron
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Rodgers justin fields, we went through a bevy of potential
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: All Pro running backs and yet for the last topic
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: of the day, you want to bring me the Lions
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: for the second time. You want to bring me someone
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: who has never played an NFL snap yep, wan who
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: it is? And why?
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: Getting you ready for convince me that these random players?
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: But I love this landing spot on both sides. But
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: it's Sam Laporta to the Lions. And you know, laporta
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: tight end from Iowa, tight end from Iowa who has
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: been producing a lot of good tight ends the last
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: decade or so, but he was one of the better
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: pass catching tight ends in this year's class, and it
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: was kind of surprising, you know, the Lions took him
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: in the second round with Michael Mayer, who was considered
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: the top overall titand prospect since he's a pretty good
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: pass blocker, was also available. So it's clear that the
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: Lions want to tap into Laporter's receiving upside because they're
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: looking to replace TJ. Hawkinson after training way to the
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: Vikings last year. So Laporta is who replaced TJ. Hawkinson
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: at Iowa, looked every bit as good. Now he's going
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: to replace him in Detroit. And just due to like
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: you know, Jamison Williams being out in the first six
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: games behind Alman ros Saint, Brown's kind of shaky. Who's
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: gonna be the number two pass catcher. Laporta has a
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: chance at least to be Jared Goff's number two target
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: this season, So I think he has a ton of
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: upside in this offense. I thought it was a great
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: move for the Lions, who, like I said, they need
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: to replace t J.
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: Hawkinson.
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: So I thought it was good for both the Lions
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: and Laporta that he ended up in Detroit.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Right then, this feels like a special for you a
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: tight end nobody's heard of.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: If you know who he is or the draft.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I like it because listen, tight end gets
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: really ugly quick. Like last year, I mean Mark Mark
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: Andrews was kind of a disappointment. George Kittle, you know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: wasn't targeted a lot, just but he saved this season
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: with eleven touchdowns, you know, and with McCaffrey there, he
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: might not be a productive Darren Waller's you know, over
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: thirty and on a new team.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: It's it's tough at tight end.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: So you know, if you miss out on on on
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: a a week guy, I think you want to take
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: a flyer in Laporta. You know they they drafted him
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: with the intent to use him as a pass catcher,
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: as Sean has alluded to.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: So you know, I look back. You know TJ.
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: Hockinson's first ever game with the Detroit Lions eight catches,
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty one yards and a touchdown. So
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: he might have to bet some Laporta overs Week one
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: against Kansas.
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: City against the Cardinals, who's they were like historically bad
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: against Titans.
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean every year they are that same same day,
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: Like remember no a fan last year.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: But I digress.
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: I think I'll throw you know, Like for me, my
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: plan at tight end is if I can't get like
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: a top five guy, uh, it's Chigo Konquo, That's the
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: that's the guy really want.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: I think he has.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: He's one of the only other guys with top five upside,
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: And then I'm going after guys like, uh, the young
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: guys like Kincaid and in Laporta, because these guys have
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: a chance to be a major parts of their offenses
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: and they're kind of like slot receivers too. You know,
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: Laporta played over half the snaps slot and wide, so
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: you know he he's not necessarily a tight end in
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: the sense that like it's gonna be this massive learning
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: curve because he's almost gonna be a little bit more
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: like a receiver. So you know, with this Lion team,
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: amon Ro is going to be.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: A target hog. I'm sure Gibbs.
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: Gibbs might be the number two target, but I mean
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: you've got Marvin Jones and Josh Reynolds and Khalif Raymond
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: until James and Williams get back, and Williams might be
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: a low percentage route runner anyway, so there could be
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: you know, like a good three four catches open here
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: for Laporta every game. And you know that doesn't sound
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: like a lot, but at tight end, and especially when
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: you're getting them outside the top twenty, I think there's
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: some upside here.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: So I totally agree with Sean.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. I feel like, as we wrap
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: it up, I feel like this was a fantasy focused podcast,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: but we got a lot of betting insights here. Let
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: me wrap up some of my notes right A. We
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: might want to get on Miami sooner rather than later
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: for a little bit of a taste of a future,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: because if Dalvin Cold does go there, the number could move.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: We all agree that we're probably going to be in
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons podcast again, right, Simon, can I get confirmation?
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I like the Piccatarian.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: We're probably going to be in Atlanta Falcons pod.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: I was the Panthers last year. I was the Panthers
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: whisperer last year. I'm pivoting to the Falcons.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: We're probably going to be fading the Lions early in
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: the year because the public is going to love them
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: so much. We're probably going to hold on. I can't
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: read my notes here. I'll have to skip that one.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Oh what did I run? I just wrote it down.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I can't even read it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers passing yard unders.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Well, we're definitely gonna like Garrett Wilson over and Aaron
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Rodgers passing yards under. We also are probably going to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: fade Mike Evans season totals, probably going to fade Chris
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Godwin season totals, and we're gonna like Sam Laporta in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Week one. Loving all of this good for us.
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