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- Greg: Hey, what's up guys? Welcome to the first episode of Weird Friends. Those of you that have been following along with some of the other stuff I've been putting out, you've heard me talk about this. You've heard me try to build a little bit of excitement. We've actually already got a couple of people that have told me they're looking forward to this. So, you know, I was thinking we all have that one friend that maybe we don't talk to as much as we wish we did, but every time you talk... Matthew: Thank Greg: You end up going down some rabbit hole of some stuff that you've only glossed over the surface of and you can tell that this particular friend has spent hours digging down every rabbit hole, clicking on every link possible. Well, I'm gonna introduce y'all to my version of that friend. Matt Sheffield is that guy in my life and every time I talk to him, he gets my mind going in directions that I'm not always happy about, but it's good to know that the wheels can still get turning. So we decided we were gonna throw together a little episode. We're gonna try to do this three or four times a month. And we are solely gonna get on here and just talk about conspiracy theories and things of that nature. And I wanna do my best to ask somewhat intelligent and probing questions to let Matt do what he does. But at the end of the day, this is just gonna be about a chance for me to listen and hopefully uncover some things and get my mind going in some ways that maybe I hadn't previously thought about. So. We decided the first episode we were going to go with one that most of us are at least some level surface level familiar with. And that is the JFK assassination. And if you're like me, you, what you know about it is what you were taught in school. And that was the, November 22nd, I believe it was 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald climbed up to the Texas book depository and shot. our beloved president, John F. Kennedy right there in the middle of that convertible with J with Jackie O right there next to him, brains and blood everywhere. And, ⁓ we've all heard that perhaps the story we were told might not be the truth or may not be the entire truth. And, ⁓ Matt, in your darkened room there, which I don't blame you. try to keep some level of anonymity as well, but you're telling me that that maybe perhaps Lee Harvey Oswald solely wasn't responsible for the assassination of JFK. Matthew: Yeah, for sure. mean, I'm not a Magic Bullet guy. ⁓ We've all heard that term. ⁓ So ⁓ there's a lot of different theories on this thing. They kind of range from pretty straightforward, ⁓ you may want to say more believable to the really, really way out. ⁓ And I think everybody's kind of heard the The CIA did it theory. Everybody's kind of heard the intelligence agents were involved in it along with the Cubans, stuff like that. Did you see the Oliver Stone movie, the JFK Oliver Stone movie? Greg: That was the one that came out, what 20, 30 years ago. And then they, just released another one. Uh, it's kind of like a time traveler movie that was, that was loosely based on, the JFK assassination. And I remember watching that as well. Well done. Both of them from an entertainment standpoint were, were well produced and the screenplay was good, but I don't know how accurate I would expect either of them to be. Matthew: Yeah, Oliver Stone went deep. mean, that was a movie that was a big deal when it came out. And one of the theories that I'm going to go over today is, we'll get into it, but there was actually supposedly a concerted effort to stop movies like that from being made for years. And that links back to LBJ, who was vice president at the time. He's been, obviously, assumed the presidency after the death of Kennedy. But that was really, when you think about it, it is kind of weird to think about from that Friday, in November 1963, until 90, when did that come out? 92, 93-ish? There was not a movie about the Kennedy assassination that kind of proposed, I don't think there was one at all, but there was definitely not one that proposed an alternate theory to what the warden commissioned. came up with, which is kind of mind blowing. Greg: Well, and you know, here's kind of my more generic thought and we'll try to apply this lens to the various topics we talk about. Obviously, know, rule number one in any kind of conspiracy or any sort of cover up, you know, the more moving parts and the more people involved, the harder it is to keep something, keep a secret, obviously. And then you've got the time element involved. So I guess, you know, one of the questions, and we'll get to this point, is we're so far removed from this that you're looking at if they've been able to keep it in the dark for this long. Will any of us ever really know or are we going to constantly be for the next 50, 60 years talking about different theories? Will any of this ever come out? Do you believe anybody out there knows the real answer to this day? Matthew: think they're well, so ⁓ George HW Bush is dead. I think he knew. A lot of people don't realize they see George HW Bush, especially people my age, right? So you kind of remember George HW Bush and the first thing that pops in your mind is probably a Dana Carvey Saturday Night Live skit, you where you did that great impression of him or maybe you remember him just. you can all over the people at that. Greg: I remember, I remember George W. Bush and the church lady, both, both being a very similar and Dana Carvey was very talented at both. Matthew: Yeah, so that's kind of what you remember. People don't realize though, George H.W. Bush was as deep as you can go. He ran the CIA for years. He's been involved in the intelligence agencies forever and then obviously ascended to the vice presidency and then the presidency. And in fact, the attempt on Reagan's life, a lot of people tie that back to... George H.W. Bush was involved in that. A lot of people do not realize that when George H.W. Bush was picked to be vice president, it was quite a scandal. That was done at the convention, at the Republican National Convention. And George H.W. Bush and Reagan were not similar in their political beliefs. mean, H.W. Bush was... Greg: No, I remember they had to convince Reagan to take him and it was it was sort of to offset and balance out sort of the polarizing effect that the two differences made one good whole candidate. Matthew: Yeah, absolutely. In fact, and we'll get into a little bit later when we kind of dig in today, but they did ask Kennedy at one point or not Kennedy Nixon at one point why he picked his vice president. He basically said it was a fascination insurance. You do. I mean, you know, when you think about it, I would not be comfortable as president picking a former intelligence agency operative that probably knows where literally everybody is buried as my vice president. I mean, because you can you you can understand his aspirations are higher than the vice presidency and you're kind of standing in the way of that. Greg: I have, I have always wondered, and there was, there was the joke after, ⁓ the, tent, the first attempt on Trump's life that was, was his nomination of JD is his vice president was that his attempt at sort of assassination insurance. I, think that is probably an underlooked part of picking that role because that is, you know, in theory, that should be one of the most important roles of the vice president is to be somebody that nobody wants the president to die. Matthew: Yeah, no, absolutely. And you know, all of this that we talked about today ties into kind of what we see today. to tell this story really the right way, you actually have to go back to Eisenhower. And you know, I think that what we see today is without a doubt, it's, you see the deep state, whatever you want to call it. ⁓ permanent bureaucracy is another way to put it. You see them ⁓ in a battle to retain control and, you know, in the modern sense, whether Trump is a white hat, a black hat or somewhere in between is really irrelevant. mean, the best case scenario is he's a white hat. A lot of people believe that. Now there's some doubt about that for sure with what's going on, but a lot of people believe he was a white hat. come in to destroy the deep state. Other people believe just, you know, another leads another mafia family, right? So it's just the mafia family is going to war and in all honesty, who cares? The thugs are fighting each other. You know, kind of the hope is that he's the bull in the China shop. ⁓ Worst case scenario. Greg: Well, and you know, and I think, you know, we have all become so keenly aware, especially these days of how, how difficult it is to trust anything we see online, anything the news purports to be true. But, you know, we're talking about something that happened back in the sixties, brother. This is, this was supposedly a different time. And, you know, it's, it's, it's hard for me to believe that back then that this stuff was still going on. And that's the part that I think, you know, I'm, curious to find out how, how all of this stuff 60 years ago was. it was so much easier to cover up because obviously with the advent of social media and these things didn't take off. But this is a long time to keep a secret. Tell me, let's get back to it. Tell me, we got into the school book version of what happened. So tell me, where do you want to start as far as how we got to the point on that fateful day in Dallas and then we'll get into what we think some of the different options and then we'll try to figure out which ones we think might actually be pliable and believable. Matthew: Well, I mean, you know, just a thumbnail sketch of the official story. So the official story, Oswald is a defector to Russia. ⁓ panning out leaflets in New Orleans. Cuba and the issues that we had going on there with Castro at the time. Basically just hated freedom, hated our president, saw an opportunity and shot him with a, an Italian bolt action World War II rifle. which a lot of the veterans would call it the safest rifle in the world because it was notoriously inaccurate. So basically during the war, if you shot at somebody with that rifle, they could be pretty safe. You may hit them, you may not. ⁓ And he did it moving target, ⁓ three shots back to back to back, all accurate. And that was it, case closed. nothing else to see. Now what's interesting is 1978 the House Intelligence Select Committee on Assassination was formed and that was really in response to this Bruder film being released and we've all seen that but what's a lot of people don't realize is that that wasn't released until years and years after the assassination and of all people Geraldo Rivera is the one who released it. ⁓ the guy who had the film. Greg: And that's really where the controversy became more mainstream. Cause it was as soon as you were able to see the film and just with a corsary understanding of physics and things of that nature, you're going to go, okay, the, way his head movements and then you got the, the guy in the front passenger seat ended up with a bullet in his arm. And then you started having to go, okay, well, like I we've heard the magic bullet theory. I'll let you explain in more detail what that is. ⁓ but yeah, that's like you said, when that, when the Zapruder film became public, that's when. and I'm assuming that's when people really started digging in and asking questions. Matthew: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it caused such an uproar that, again, in the late 70s, House formed a committee to look into it. And their finding was that there was more than one shooter, but they stopped it. That was it. They didn't say it was rogue elements of the CIA. They didn't say it was Cuban nationals. They didn't say it was anything else. They just said there was more than one shooter. We're done with it. One of the, again, you mentioned the magic bullet theory. That was one of the big things that came out of that because, again, in the Zapruder film, again, just like you said, you can, it's obvious, you can tell that there's multiple bullets, that there's multiple shooters from multiple different angles. In it's so ingrained in pop culture after that, there's even a science film episode. about back into the left, back into the left, when Kramer gets spit on by New York Yankees or New York Nets player, Keith Hernandez. He's like, you were on the gravelly road, you know, the hill by the gravelly road and you spit on me. So Jerry does the whole thing about, if Lukey hit you from here, back into the left. But ⁓ yeah, so they had to account the Warren Commission. Greg: Keith Herndon does. Matthew: is the one that came up with the magic bullet theory. They had to account for multiple holes. and John Conway, the governor who was sitting in front passenger side of the way. away. And it just doesn't add up, no matter how you look at it, doesn't add up. And one of the big ⁓ pieces of evidence that the 1978 committee looked at was audio recordings from the motorcycle police officer that was there. So when they looked at those and ran them through more modern ⁓ equipment, they could analyze the audio better. You realize, well, number one, obviously, you can tell the time frame that the... the shots had to occur. So it's just too fast. And you know, I mean, as a hunter, I know, with a bolt action rifle, number one, your first shot is always going to be the most accurate because you're already set, you're ready, and you're looking through the scope. Greg: And you're not rushing to reload and yeah. Matthew: not rushing. The second shot is going to be off because you have to move the rifle from the position that it was, eject the shell with the bolt, put it back and then totally reset, find your target again in the scope and go again. Now much less the third and the moving target. So, ⁓ Greg: And with a weapon that is not exactly known for its deadly accuracy to begin with. Matthew: No, in the report they actually had to shim the bolt in the rifle when they did the ballistic test, when they tested it after the assassination because it was so inaccurate. people don't realize, my brother-in-law actually went to Dealey Plaza, went to Dallas on a business trip and stopped by Dealey Plaza. He was saying, he called me because he knows I'm a super into this stuff. He's like, I don't know, man. That window is pretty close and I go, okay. You've never held a rifle, much less shot one. Now it is a adrenaline rush like you wouldn't believe to shoot at an elk or a whitetail or whatever. It's a whole nother animal, pardon the pun I guess, to shoot a human. That's a whole nother thing. That's something that even. military people have issues with. that's not even considered into the equation by most people. mean, to actually shoot at a human, to be able to do it, that's a skill. And that plays into the whole thing that we saw with the Charlie Kirk assassination, that we saw with the Trump attempted assassination. You don't understand how hard that is to shoot at Greg: Especially in a, in a premeditated, you have time to sit there and process and think about it. I've always had that, that kind of, when that discussion comes up, if you know, could you take another life? I'm telling you like in the moment, if I walk in and somebody's, you know, physically harming my wife or one of my daughters, I can snap a neck and not think about it. But you talk about cold blooded in like time to sit there and process and think about what you're going to do. And to have that moment of doubt to go, am I about to really pull this trigger? ⁓ And I don't know much. I don't know what information is even out there about Oswald as far as who he was. I don't know how much we even know about the guy. Matthew: So we learned a little bit more about him in the JFK files released, that Trump released. He released a few of them, and then there was a pause. He released some more. Now, supposedly, there's roughly 10,000 files that, from what I've heard, will never be because of who they are. ⁓ But what we learned... far from Oswald. learn a few kind of a cool a few cool things. I'll just kind of run through the list I made here. A lot of people don't realize in the in the late 60s, mid to late 60s, how powerful the CIA was. That's one of the one of the objections I've heard. Well, could they really have done? Well, number one, it wouldn't be the entire CIA could be a rogue faction within the CIA. CIA was more powerful and widespread than anybody at all. They had almost as many people undercover overseas as the entire State Department had people. They had over 3900. just under coverage in various foreign governments. businesses even and they were in diplomatic roles. were intelligence gathering, recruiting ⁓ other agents, back as double agents, recruiting assets. Greg: I think the CIA as a whole, in the totality of their existence, does a phenomenal job of both on one hand trying to downplay like just how big they are, how far their tentacles stretch and some of the things they're capable of. But also on the other hand, I think they sometimes do float things out there just to give you that terrifying example of what they are capable of. And the truth is, think, you know, again, kind of like the theme of this show, I don't think any of us normal folks really have any true idea of just how deep, huge and how far the tentacles can run for the CIA currently and what they're capable of. reasonable even wasn't that way 60 70 years ago too. Matthew: 70s and you can look this up this on YouTube in the 70s Congress got sick of the CIA and they were like listen this has got to be rained in a little bit so they basically have hearing on the CIA and they drug people up on the field and they had this guy from the CIA hold up a gun and go this is their heart attack gun and they're like what are you talking about and he showed them they we can shoot somebody with this gun that basically is like a for lack of a better term, a tranquilizer dog. But you would never know you got hit by a mosquito. And within a very short amount of time, you'll have a heart attack. And it leaves no trace in your system. So an autopsy would just show a heart attack. all of that stuff started coming out. And there's things that people think are complete fairy tales that are like, oh, well, that's mission impossible stuff. No, that's very, very possible. And you've seen that. You saw that with Andrew Breitbart. A lot of people have a suspicion about his death because he's perfectly healthy. He's running. He's out there. He's waging war, so to speak, on the deep state. And he's running one day, as he often did. And boom, he's just dead. Heart attack. A lot of people have questions about, we'll get into this. It's one of my favorites, the Marilyn Monroe. shows up there. And that's very much so if you saw the spoiler alert, if you saw the last season of Yellowstone, how they got rid of John Dutton, that is supposedly modeled on the death of Marilyn Monroe. And that's the exact way she was eliminated. Because you can be rejected, especially one of the alphabet agencies favorite ways is to inject you in between. with a lethal dose of whatever that they use within an hour or two, it's out of your system and nobody checks in between the coats. It's their sin. It's one of their sins. But anyway, back to the files that was released. we learned that the CIA is actually way more powerful, way more capable than we might thought. We also learned that Lee Harvey Oswald was on the CIA payroll. He actually, they're in the files, there's a 90 times, from the CIA to Lee Harvey Oswald. And they were paying him to be an informant. And a lot of people have not gone through, me. drive my wife crazy because when files like this are released, UFO files, JFK files, I just read thousands of Greg: And I don't. That's why we're going to do this show so you can fill me in and the people like me who have lives and don't dig through all that stuff. Matthew: We also found out Lee Harvey Oswald attended a foreign language school owned by the CIA that was at the time in... at that school. There's also KGB documents in the files that said he was a very poor shot and that said he was never a controlled agent under their control. was not a double agent. Like the KGB themselves were saying, hey, he's over here. He's trying to basically trick us into thinking he wants to be an agent for us, but we're not stupid. So we're not buying it. We're not putting him on the payroll. We're not. because we know that she is truly a nature forward. Greg: So, so more and more the picture you're painting so far makes me far less inclined to believe that he was even capable of pulling off something like this. Uh, so, so, all right. So Lee Harvey off the hold is, is a less than capable possible double agent who has spent some time in Russia, learned Russian and all this going on during the cold war. All right. Keep going. I'm following. Matthew: That's a good, I mean, again, I alluded to this earlier, but that's a great point. And people like when we talk about the moon landing later. Greg: By the way, we have to have a third wheel on that one. My common sense superhero partner is all over the place on the moon landing because of the Artemis stuff. I've already promised him he can join that episode with us. Matthew: excited. right, so, but it's very important to understand what is going on in the world at the time that this is happening. Like when I talk to, again, I talk to my brother-in-law about stuff like this, he'll say, well, why would they want to do X, or Z? And I'll always say, well, what was going on between the United States and Russia at that time? always going on between Russia and China or whatever, whoever the players were at the time. Like it always plays into the events that were happening at the time and it shapes the events that were happening in world at the time and a lot of people don't realize that. There's also one other thing before I forget it, one of the most damning or interesting ⁓ documents in the JFK release. ⁓ It's a memo that was released by Gary Underhill. Gary Underhill worked at CIA at the time and he told a small group of his friends that he knows for a fact that a small rogue group, a rogue element of the CIA was involved in the JFK assassination and that he feared for... his life. Oddly enough, a few months later, he eps pain himself. So not long after he told his friends that, he's gone. Greg: So we've started to ⁓ unearth one of the potential issues we talk about. You know, obviously the scale of a conspiracy and how many people involved. Obviously something this size would be a lot of people involved. And obviously the more people involved, the harder it is to keep a secret. But when you start noticing a propensity for anybody that opens their mouth around a certain subject starts ending up dead relatively shortly thereafter, then ⁓ that might help that thing stay secretive. I'm like you, if I knew something, I'd probably keep my mouth shut too. Matthew: Yeah, and if you if you just watch the JFK, the JFK movie that we talked about, it goes through a pretty extensive list of people that were close to the close to the assassination. Even on the periphery, one was a lady that was hitchhiking, excuse me, saw some things she shouldn't see and then tried to testify about it. And then all of a sudden she turns up there. So there's a long list of people that turn of dead and whenever somebody says I used to 100 % agree that the more people that have to keep a secret the harder it is to and that is true to a certain extent but also what I've realized is that they've gotten older and especially living through COVID and through all this nonsense. People, I mean I don't really know how to say it, people are sheep. Greg: I think it was, it may have been a quote from the original Men in Black. ⁓ A person is intelligent. People are stupid. Matthew: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And people will, they will turn a blind eye and just go about their day ⁓ to a large extent if they feel threatened in any way, especially if there's family involved. And so I think it would be easier to keep the secret than people think if those threat factors are involved with people that know. And then also the people that really know and it really could bring people down or bring people to account for it or much much more. So like, for example, like someone that Gary underhealed, he probably saw something that convinced him of that. But does he have tangible proof in his hand that this person, this person, this person killed Kennedy, I've got him on tape saying we're gonna do it? No, he doesn't have that. So what is he really gonna? I mean, he can blab all he wants to and they'll probably kill him. I'm sure that's actually did kill him. But I don't think they worry about that too much. It's the same with the UFO situation. I mean, you sound like an idiot if you talk about it. You sound like a poop. The same way you sound like a poop if you say the government killed the president. I mean, who's really going to I think that needs to be factored in with thinking about how hard the secret is. ⁓ Greg: Well, let me put you on the spot real quick. And just, and this is kind of a random question because you've mentioned that they've released some of the files and they made a big deal out of that. And you know, that's, that's become all the rage, the, the file release drama. Do you believe it? Do you think there is information in black and white? Is there stuff there? Is there evidence still laying around that we would have access or that somebody has access to that says unequivocally, here's what happened. We can prove it in black and white. Or at this point is all of it's in the files is pretty much conjecture. And this might link them to this. I guess in other words, other than the handful of people who might still be around and draw on oxygen that know for a fact, cause they were a part of it. Do we have any shot of any of us ever unequivocally knowing the truth? And I'm not trying to throw you off track. I'll let you tell the whole story, but that's just something with something like this. I'm always kind of wondering, will I ever know? I'm 47, about to 48. At any point in my lifetime, will I be able to put my head on a pillow one night and go, I unequivocally know what happened, JFK. Matthew: you will, I think the other 10,000 pages that have a template. think it points to a foreign government tied to our foreign government to the point where you may not know the trigger person, but you would know what happened. that will never be with us. hit that at the end, I don't think I'll let it happen. Not in the climate that we're in now. And that may change, including younger people's. The about it is... that I was telling my wife about this other night. ⁓ You either would have to have someone. And everybody thought Trump funded his own campaign. over the president's assault process because of that. But you would have to have somebody that could legitimately not take a dollar. They would have to go there and they would either have to A, have no family, or they would have to be able to hide their family. Greg: So once again, Elon Musk is our only hope. Matthew: well and can't do it because he's born in South Africa. Greg: Yeah. But somebody, it'd have to be somebody like him that that's got that kind of mentality and that kind of just F the world. I'm going to do it my way. Matthew: It had to be done. great quote and Kevin Costner is one of my favorite actors ⁓ of all time. Side note that Will Durham is greatest baseball movie ever. Greg: Love that movie. Matthew: seen toward the end of JFK where he's arguing the case. And he's playing the Orleans DA, who's the only person. case assassination case. God knows that heaven's fallen. And I think that where we're at now is a culmination of what started that Friday, 1963, and we see it with... from this petition that's going to force these releases because my friends are going to be hurt. Now, I get that and I get there's considerations to be made in a worldwide economic sense because... and I couldn't for life. That's just the stuff that we have. We still have three and a half million documents that will never be... They've already told us, go kick rocks. They're not gonna do it. Now, is everything in there true? I don't think everything in there is true. But if one third of what's in there is true, it's the darkest, most twisted shit I've ever seen, I've ever read. It's the worst that humanity is capable of. If all of that came out... think the world is Cheers, Greg: But is that not where we need to be at this point? Matthew: get to the point where cannot, the path you're on is no longer tenable. Greg: Well, it will get down because this will be a rabbit hole where I actually might have a little bit to contribute. We'll talk about how, you know, how bad it's gotten, you know, in the last 10 to 15 years with the misinformation and you can't trust mainstream media at all these days. And with the advent of AI and that takeover, it's just going to get worse. You know, more and more when you, when you sit there and don't know what's real that you're seeing with your own eyes every day. I'm getting further and further down the opinion to go, I don't care what the truth is, just tell me the truth so I'm operating off facts and reality because right now we're all making decisions off innuendo and guessing of what we think might be true. But that's a whole different story. That's a whole different show. We'll definitely go down that rabbit hole. But let's bring it back to what we're talking about today. Let's give the folks what they want on the JF thing. So we can mark off Lee Harvey. You're saying he didn't do it. Matthew: I don't think he was even there. Greg: Well, they didn't give him much time to tell his side of the story. Matthew: And his quote is one of the greatest quotes that we've all seen. I didn't shoot anybody, I'm just a patsy. I mean that's it. He told the truth. In my opinion he was set up to be the fall guy from the get-go. mean what other perfect fall guy could there be? This guy's an idiot. We can paint him as a double agent for the Russians. We can get what we want, which is war with Russia. We've always wanted that. That's what the rogue elements of CIA wanted. Or at the very least, ⁓ we can use this as a pretext for an invasion of Cuba ⁓ because they were trying to pin him to some Cuban activities as well. ⁓ So no, don't think he was the guy. Not at all. Now, like I said, ⁓ I'm about to get into a theory that you probably not heard before, but I think it's one of the most reliable theories. So we could go down, you know, the CIA rabbit hole, could go down the Cuban rabbit hole, and all of those have validity. But here, I think it was a little bit of everything, because everybody wanted Kennedy dead. Everybody wanted Kennedy dead. CIA wanted him dead because of the Bay of Pigs invasion. So Kennedy... I'm sure again, most people know this, but the CIA wanted to take over Cuba because of Castro's relationship with communist Russia at the time. So they planned an invasion with Cuban refugees who fled the country, ended up in Miami. had training bases in South Florida for these guys, also around New Orleans and Louisiana. And they were gonna flood the beaches. and they were counting on air cover to be provided. would authorize air cover. In the last minute, he changed his mind and it was a massacre. They landed on the beaches, they killed all of them. So Kennedy publicly took the heat for it. ⁓ He had egg over his own a space about that and he had a famous quote after that, that he was going to break the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the wind. Greg: Wait. And you know, and I think a lot of people and you know, possibly because of the assassination, possibly because of sort of the, the affiliation he had with Marilyn Monroe and just some of the Kennedy name and all that it is, I think he, he widely gets regarded as a much more popular president now than he actually was back in the day. Like, like you said, there was, there were a lot of questions around his presidency and around what was actually going on behind the scenes. And there were a lot, like you said, the CIA for various different reasons we've we've heard wanted him out of office and and things of that nature. So it, you know, it is funny how over time and I think the because he was assassinated and because of that story has made him into such a media darling and, this, uh, know, affable you United States figure of the past. And he, he's, don't think he was near as great of a president as he gets credit for it. I don't think he was anywhere near the leader. He gets credit for, I think the, the, the story has become a lot more than, what reality was. Matthew: for sure and people don't realize he was actually not doing very well in the polls. As a matter of fact, to back it up a little bit before that, election that he won was the closest election in United States history to Richard Nixon. And his dad was... his money, you want to click in the Northeast during Prohibition. And his dad supposedly got the mob. target. election. And you tell people that and they're like, ah, you can't rig a national election. Yes, you can. Because if you control an entire city, size of Chicago, that swings one state. And in an election that close, all you need is one state. Greg: Or, or, or maybe Atlanta, Bolton County, that ring a bell. Matthew: Yeah, it's listen it so no it's And that plays into another another group that wanted him dead was the mom because that giving you the president doesn't was. The was, we'll swing Chicago for you and do your son the presidency. And Bobby's gonna be attorney general and turn a blind eye to us. For some reason, I honestly I don't understand, the first thing Bobby Kennedy does is start a war with the mob. I mean, he gets in there and he be a tailpant for leather to get the mob. super smart in my opinion you know like at least wait a minute like work some back channels but no he goes hard after the mob also the mob was really pissed because they were expecting take control of Cuba. A lot of people don't realize before the revolution in Cuba, Cuba was the Las Vegas of its day, and even better because obviously it's the top of the island. But the mob ran all the casinos in Cuba and they made a porch. Greg: And we may get back to that soon. Matthew: Yeah, they get back to that. I don't But so there was a couple reasons that the mob won. Then you've got the bankers. It was largely run by the Rothschild family and the international banks, not the bank down on the corner, but the Federal Reserve, stuff like that. Kennedy favored a gold and silver backed US dollar. They wanted us to change the paper money. later on. Greg: Yeah, that turned out to be a real good idea. That's worked out well. Matthew: That is probably the worst decision any president ever made. Greg: I agree. It is completely removed any sense of reality or accountability from the economy. are like people laugh at me and you, and I will have a for sure. The whole economy is fake. Like none of his real nothing. Anybody does is real. Nobody makes anything anymore. Nobody contributes much to anything. ⁓ it's just paper and numbers on a screen. Matthew: It's just once and zeroes on a computer somewhere. doesn't mean anything. So yeah, that is probably negatively impacted middle class American lifestyle more than anything. Then you work down the list, Texas Oil wanted to it. ⁓ They wanted him to. A lot of people didn't realize that he wanted to and was actively trying to get rid of the oil depletion allowance. dig a well and I don't know the intricate details of this I'm just really dumbing this down but the dumb version is I'm an oil company I dig a well I don't hit on it I get I get some kind of tax benefit off of that like it's not a total loss but something of that nature so he wanted to get rid of that and that was obviously plays into the theory that I'm about to propose. Greg: Well, I've been watching land man. So I know now that if, if the old tycoons are involved, they'll kill you for sure. So I I'm sold on that theory. That's, that's definitely plausible. Matthew: So everybody wanted Kennedy to win. So the theory that I really lean for is that everybody was involved. everybody play a role. Greg: And then you go back to the original question of how do you get a lot of people involved and still keep it secret? If everybody's hands are dirty, nobody can talk. Matthew: ⁓ exactly. So, Texas provided the money. The CIA provided access because they could change the parade route. They could change who was supposed to be there. How many? Greg: And weren't there some fairly last minute alterations to the parade route and the fact that he was in a convert. There were that some of that stuff like was just decided on there at the last minute. Matthew: Absolutely, I've actually got that down in the show notes for today. So there are supposed to be three motorcycle officers on each side of the limo, but there was not. There was one in the back. There were supposed to be two Secret Service agents on the back of the limo, but there was not. ⁓ Everything the route was changed at the last minute there never should have been a route where you had to take that sharp of a turn and you actually had to slow down basically to a stop at some point none of that should have been done all the buildings on the parade route should have been swept and sealed none of that happened. Back ⁓ when when W was president actually an alternate driver in his route. enough, can just be a driver. Now you can't drive presidential limo, but you could drive, you can drive. Yeah, they don't care about the press car. That's what I was saying. You can drive that. You can drive any other car, but obviously you can't drive the limo. But man, when he landed on Robbins Air Force Base, Greg: You could be a decoy. Matthew: and they had that place locked down. They welded shut every manhole cover along the entire route from Robbins Air Force Base to downtown Macon where he spoke at the Coliseum. It was wide. ⁓ They had a ⁓ Ford Expedition with the back windows missing and they had a gatlin gun mounted in the cargo area of that and they could swing it. left or right and the glass was missing from the windows and that car would weave in between the ⁓ session from back to front and then he'd go from front to back like he was constantly the whole way he was just doing that back to front to front to back and then there was air cup so i know it's more advanced now than it was back then but basically Greg: I believe they just let some creep get about 120 yards perched up on a pretty flat roof dead center in front of the president not too long ago. that ain't a whole lot tighter now. Matthew: When something like that happens, you know it was not. Greg: And that's another one of those. And I don't, maybe I hadn't been long enough for that to turn into conspiracy theory yet, but you got to ask some questions to go. I know he wasn't the acting president, but he was still Donald Trump. And that comes with some security precautions. There is no way they didn't secure that. Like that had to be intentional. Matthew: guy's gone. You never heard another story about him. No social media foot plant, no internet foot plant, just gone. Yeah, never heard another story about him. So, yeah, so that's... Greg: gong gong. Yes. Yeah, that's perfectly normal for a 20 year old dude, But he didn't kill Kennedy. gotta get back to that. We gotta stay on track. Matthew: But I'll tell you who I think was the mastermind behind it. Now, can't take, obviously I can't take full credit. There's been several books written about this, the most notable by Roger Stone. Roger Stone is the political fixer, political dirty trickster, as he likes to call himself. He made his bones in the Nixon administration very close to him. He also was a big deal in the Reagan administration, and he is the one in 2016 Trump called. ⁓ to get his campaign rolling. Now, again, is one of probably three or four that have written books. He is the most overtly saying that he believes that this person is the spearhead behind the Kennedy assassination, and that is LBJ himself. Now, here is why. This gets really interesting, and this is really cool. So, LBJ... was according to a lot of research I've done. And this is saying a lot. Now, I can't, let me back that up. I can't say that he still holds the title because there's some weird stuff going on lately, but up until probably... fairly recently he was the dirtiest politician in American history. mean dirty dirty like murder, extortion, money laundering, all of that. He ran Texas. I mean he ran that place. So there's a few different players that come into the game at this point and they're from Texas. And it looks like from a lot of the things I've read, that there is a good chance that LBJ is the one who pulled together all the different factions, the disaffected Cubans, the upset ⁓ intelligence agencies, like all the different people, Texas O'Rourke, obviously, he would be up to his waist in that. He's the one that pulled everything together because you had to have someone, you had to have a maestro. Right? You had to have somebody to conduct the orchestra on all of this. And he's, he had a lot of reason to do it. And a lot of people still don't know this. So we talked earlier about how Kennedy's reelection campaign was far from a sure thing. Well, come to find out that there was a very good chance that Kennedy was actually going to drop LBJ as vice president on the 1964 ticket. He never wanted LBJ. on his ticket in the first place. And that's, we had talked earlier in the episode about how odd it was at the time that Reagan picked George H.W. Bush. ⁓ It's the same way with LBJ. ⁓ But they wanted to balance the ticket. ⁓ And at the time it was very different. The Democrats, and the Democrats ruled the South at the time. And they were the segregation party. They were the... Oddly enough, they were the party of the KKK. ⁓ The Klan was born out of the Democratic Party. ⁓ Greg: The Democrats are still the racist party, Matt. Ain't nothing changed. Matthew: No, they're just smarter about it. ⁓ But at the time they were pretty overtly open about it. So they didn't think that a Catholic from the Northeast could win. They had to have somebody to pull in the south. LBJ was that guy. LBJ carried a lot of, a lot of sway, a lot of sway. LBJ's life in Texas, like I said, was... just total corruption, total money laundering, just getting rich off the system. One of his associates was Billy Solestes. And anybody that's looked into the JFK assassination has probably heard the name Billy Solestes. Billy was a, he was a wheeler dealer in Texas. He made millions from federal grain storage contracts. So he would get government contracts, know, federal government contracts. agricultural contracts for Texas, but he was skimming off the top of all of those. And LBJ was getting a kickback to all of those. Every single one, LBJ would get a kickback to. The big thing ⁓ that happened in Texas that really, it got close to getting to LBJ. got, it kind of brought him to the point of like, I need to climb the ladder. His point, his reason for wanting to climb the ladder was basically to insulate himself from prosecution. There was something called the Texas Cotton Allotment Standard. And what happened was the government, in a nutshell, again I'm just going to give you thumbnail sketch, the government said you can only grow a certain amount of cotton because they wanted to control the market for cotton. Well. Billy Solestis, there was a loophole. He found a loophole in that wall, meaning that if there was a farmer who had his ⁓ land confiscated for eminent domain, they could transfer that quota that they would get, kind like a crab fisherman, like you see on Deadly Sketch. They all had a quota. He could transfer that quota. They could transfer that quota to new property if they bought another farm. So Billy... would sell farmers, he would recruit farmers from Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, anywhere that would qualify for it. He would sell them a farm. And he would say, listen, there's no payment due for one year. And then there's a balloon payment due in 12 months after the growing and harvesting season. So their quota would shift over. that land, they would grow the cotton. He would skim off of that, give the kickback to LBJ, and then when they couldn't make the balloon payment, he would foreclose on the farm and then start the process all over. So that, according to things that I've read, he was making, in the 1960s money, he was making multiple tens of millions of dollars a year, just on that. And so again, in the sixties, I mean, that's a lot of money now in the sixties, insane amount of money, insane amount of So Billy Solestis was one of the guys tied into LBJ. Greg: out. And as a politician, I don't care how powerful you are with a guy like that has his hooks in you, you're stuck. Matthew: No, absolutely. We've known about, you know, you get tied in with somebody and get in so deep you're in for a pinch, you're in for pound at a certain point and there's really no way out. I mean... Greg: No, I think, I mean, I think the two most powerful people on the planet, obviously Trump being president, but outside of him, I think you got Elon Musk and George Soros and neither one of them holds a political office, but they control the narrative a lot. Matthew: ⁓ absolutely. Absolutely they did. ⁓ So the second big player in LBJ's Texas circle was Mac Wallace. He was LBJ's fixer. LBJ was linked to several murders in Texas before he became vice president. And that goes back to his original run for office. Wallace was tied to basically all them. Mac Wallace was the only man at the time, I don't know if this is still true, but at the time he was the only man ever to be convicted of first degree of murder in Texas and receive only probation. killed someone that was involved in a love triangle with LBJ's sister, I believe it his sister, and he was threatening to expose some information he had on LBJ. He killed him and he was convicted and... interesting about Matt Wallace is he stayed with LBJ his whole career and Matt Wallace's fingerprint was found in what they call the crow's nest or the school book repository. after the assassination, his fingerprint was one of the ones that fell. And he was a known hitman. That's what he did for living. Greg: And could there be any other plausible reason for him to have been up there? Matthew: Unless he was just an avid reader and wanted to find the rare books and rare books and he was up there looking for him I guess I don't know but So the story goes LBJ basically weasels his way on to the vice-president on the presidential ticket as vice president Supposedly that was done Greg: Most hit men are, right? Matthew: not only to unify the party but on a personal level it was done via blackmail that he had now he had dirt he had dirt on he had dirt on ⁓ jay agra hoover as a cross dresser ⁓ and jay agra hoover provided him information on the Greg: Nowadays that would get him a promotion. Jay Edge would be even more popular these days. Matthew: ⁓ yeah. He'd be, he'd get an award nowadays, supposedly he got information from Hoover to use blackmail against ⁓ JFK because JFK liked his life. And apparently there was a lot of activity going on. That's not a conspiracy. And listen, let's be honest, setting aside the moral aspect of it. Greg: That's not a conspiracy. Matthew: If you bagged Marilyn Monroe, I got respect for that. I'm sorry. Like, it's Marilyn Monroe. I'm sorry. Like, you should. Greg: Yeah, I mean, it's the whole, you know, game got to respect game, even if I got to play by different rules. Matthew: I mean, though, did read a thing where she had really bad body odor. did read that, I don't know if that's true or not, but I'll you, because I think she is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. But, so anyway, he basically blackmailed his way onto the ticket. He's thinking, I need to reach a, basically a political section where I'm from across future, because basically the walls are starting to close again. So when he got word that through the grapevine that he was going to be dropped from the 1964 presidential ticket, he's like, ⁓ my god, I'm going to get, they're warming up my jail cell in Texas because he would have acted absolutely impossible. And as a matter of fact, the ⁓ wheels had already started turning in Texas. Greg: general rule of thumb in politics, if the guy who won with you the first time doesn't even ask you to participate the second time, your political career is over. So yeah, I could see that hanging in the lip. LBJ knew that his end was near. That's proper motivation for sure. Matthew: Absolutely. in fact, and I could not find the quote. I had it somewhere, but the governor, I mean, the ⁓ attorney that was working the case, the corruption case against LBJ in Texas, the day after he was sworn in, the judge called him into his chambers and said, I'm dismissing the case. And he said something to the effect of, I will put the vice president in jail. but I will never put the president of the United States in this case. And all the cases against him, Texas was dismissed the day after this JFK assessment. So you see LVJ at this point, again, right before this assassination, he's a caged animal. I mean, he's back into his corner. So his only way out is to ascend to the president's Going back to Roger Stone. who again wrote one of the books that I read and started researching for this, ⁓ again was very close to Richard Nixon and was a close advisor of him during his administration. He tells a story where he said it was late one night and after Nixon had stepped out and he was at his house and they were having cocktails and he said that Nixon was notoriously tight lipped until he had a few cocktails in him. He he waited until he had had three or four and he said, Mr. President, who really killed Kennedy? And he looked at Roger and he said, well, I'll say it like this. Lyndon and I both wanted to be president. I just wasn't willing to kill for it. Greg: You know, we, talked earlier and I said, think Kennedy's presidential reign gets overinflated of how great he was. think because of the same, but in the opposite direction, think Nixon is often over. I think Nixon was actually a tremendous politician. It could have had a much more memorable political career. And I'm like, I don't know what your thoughts are on the whole Watergate thing. I'm not entirely sure he didn't get railroaded into a lot of that stuff and, and him become the scapegoat, but okay. So I remember that quote. remember, I remember, I can't remember. where I saw but I remember the that from Roger Stone and Nixon saying the same thing so so here's the question. Obviously, know, motive is key in any sort of murder coverup. LBJ is clearly the one to benefit from Kennedy's assassination. So how in the world does he have enough dirt? If he's the one pulling the strings and he's the one at the top of all this, how does he keep his name clean? How do we keep that quiet for 60 plus years? Matthew: somebody to burn him over it, it would have to be... Wallace. He's not going to do it because Johnson kept him out of prison. He got him paroled for a first degree murder conviction. He's not going to do it. Mob's not going to do it because all of a sudden all the prosecutions of the mob go away. Military industrial complex anybody involved in the CIA. They're not gonna do it because Johnson the day after Kennedy was killed he signs the the bill that basically launches Vietnam in full effect, but he had a very famous quote Talking to a general said I'll give you your goddamn boy mean, again, everybody's guilty and it just, everybody's got dirt on their hands. Also, everybody oddly enough has plausible deniability. Like it's a perfect web of, you know, you got the fall guy, you got the Patsy, then you get rid of the Patsy, and then you get rid of the guy who got rid of the Patsy, which is a crazy story that I want, don't let me forget that, talking about Jack Rubin. about how they got rid of Jack Ruby. But this whole, let me, I'm getting ahead of myself, this whole ⁓ LBJ thing, going back to that. So it's my assertion that he was the tip of the spear. He was the straw that stirred the drink. He pulled all the elements together because of all, everything that had to come into being, he could affect those things. He could make it happen. make the, he could affect someone that would, he would talk the man into changing the parade route. He could pull the shooter in. He could, he could get the money donated. He could make promises to ⁓ the Cubans. He could make promises to the mob. He could give them the military industrial complex, Vietnam. Like he's the one that had the power to. call in favors and then pay off the favors and then make everything line up so it would happen. Now what's interesting is that the day before the assassination, there's a story from Madeline Duncan Brown who is one of LBJ's long time miscreants. She alleges that he fathered a child with her. They had a 20 year long affair starting in the late 40s. Supposedly, again, he got her pregnant. And she says that he had a meeting ⁓ the night before the assassination. ⁓ That meeting included J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon, H.L. ⁓ Clint Murchison, which was the Texas. guys George Brown and John ⁓ McCloy and and those guys are ⁓ political financiers and oddly enough John McCloy McCloy was actually later on the board commission but she said that ⁓ LBJ got back to the house after that meeting around 11 o'clock and He looked at her and he said, quote, after tomorrow, this goddamn Kennedy's will never embarrass me again. That's no threat. That's a problem. Because he was, he hated Bobby Kennedy so much, like with a passion. So Bobby Kennedy pushed to basically relegate the office of the vice president to a ceremonial joke position, know, christening both. nonsense like that. He hated that because again in Texas he was the man. He was bigger than the government in Texas. Greg: and let's not make any mistake about it. Even at the highest levels of leadership, these people are all still petty as hell. Matthew: ⁓ absolutely. Well, you have to be. I don't think you can rise to that level of power without being an insane narcissist without having seen... Greg: Well, I'm an insane narcissist. just haven't risen to any level of power yet. Matthew: That's right. Well, you got to get you got to get a lot darker. You know, you're a lot darker. So anyway, it all lines up right. And again, right after we all know right after the assassination actually took place, the force, someone squared him in on Air Force One, which they told him that that's not messy. As soon as the President's dead, you're the President. Greg: What isn't there rumors that he was trying to do that before the president had even officially been declared dead? Matthew: Yeah. ⁓ absolutely. And as a humiliation ritual, he made Jackie stand there in her blood-soaked dress, and they famously tried to get her to change, and she said, no, I want them to see what they did. So she stood beside him as he was sworn in as president immediately in a blood-soaked I guess, off her part. But, yeah, I think that all of this stuff came together perfectly. I think he was a caged animal. was cornered. His only way out was to do it. And I don't think he hated to do it. I think he was more than willing to do it because I think he had been a part of murders in the past. If you look into his history, that's very evident. a scratch by any means. Greg: Is there any indication that maybe Jackie knew or that Jackie was plugged into what was going on? Matthew: I think Jackie figured it out in my opinion. think she did, but what is she going to do? show you. Greg: Well, that's probably about the time all the rumors of her being crazy started. And so that if she had ever come out, she doesn't, wouldn't have had the credibility that was necessary. Matthew: So, you know, her second option was to marry a Greek millionaire and disappear. it's not, yeah. For self-preservation, it's not a bad option, which she did. I don't blame her. But I think that that is the most plausible scenario to me in the JFK's destination. Greg: I'll come clean that the theory and you know, pinning it on LBJ doesn't blow my mind. Now the mind blowing part is obviously the fact that that that could happen and be gotten away with and covered up this long and that even with as many people who have dug through that score and tried to find proof that we're still, we're still all somewhat scratching our head and not a hundred percent certain we know what happened. And like you said, we may never know because whatever true documentation there is if if there is anything that conclusively points to this is what happened we'll never see it if it still exists and hadn't been destroyed Matthew: That's right. you know, really, like I said in the beginning, I think that where we are today all started here. And just I know we need to wrap it up pretty soon, but I think all of this started in the Eisenhower administration. And if anybody out there has a chance, go to YouTube, listen to his farewell address, because he says in that address, that he were of the military industrial complex people that have power unaccountable power. And later on in an interview after his presidency, and this is harder to find, but I have seen it, he did say that the creation of. So I think after the Second World War, they started operating in secret. He famously even said that they're doing things that I don't know about. not telling me what they're doing. They started operating in a domestic capacity and they were never supposed to be allowed to do that. And I think it reached a pinnacle with Kennedy, not completely, but in part because he actually wanted to work with the Soviet Union. He wanted to work with Khrushchev and they thought that he was going to give away the country to the communists. And also they just wanted war. ⁓ and they bought it. We see that still today. Greg: Yeah, I don't think a lot of folks are aware of during the entirety of the Cold War, how much of a role we played in propping up the Russian economy and keeping it going just because we needed a big bad enemy to keep as the other side so that the military industrial complex could do what they do. Matthew: Absolutely, but that was ⁓ November 1963. That was the two-day time. think that is the day that the Republic died, and I don't think we've got that, and I don't know that we'll ever get it back. ⁓ Greg: All right, well, go ahead. Matthew: Now since there's only one other plausible theory, no, he feels somewhat like he's skilled. Greg: I like plausible. Let's go. Matthew: That is the main reason. Greg: Aliens all right well that that leads me to where I wanted to take this Matthew: Thank you very much. Greg: So here's, here's what I'm to have you do in, in essence of trying to gain some traction and, and, and put this out there. you and I'll have some fun with this. I want to do it, whether anybody else ever listens to this shit or not, but try to, try to give me a, give me the elevator pitch version of this episode. Tell me in two minutes or three minutes or less, tell sum up the, it sound as catchy as possible. Cause we'll throw out some short clips for this. Tell me what you want the world to know. You think about the JFK conspiracy and then. and I'm gonna put you on the spot. Tell me what we're gonna talk about next and give us a little preview of where you wanna send me down next. And this time I'll do a little more research and I'll have some more probing questions. I won't just leave you hanging to do all the talking. Matthew: So JFK assassination, again, it is, there many theories. Was it the CIA? Was it the Cubans? Was it ⁓ any other group because everybody wanted Kennedy dead? In reality, it was a little bit of everything in my opinion. the game. and save his freedom ⁓ from prosecution, and that was LBJ. That is… Greg: And so to put a bow on that, we're talking about one of the most monumental events in the world. History happened over 60 years ago and was committed by what is likely the most obvious and logical suspect. And he got away with it. And that's the part that should terrify everybody. Matthew: But if you look at the end of his political career, he did not run for reelection. And he ended up going insane, basically. ⁓ Now you turn into like a Howard Hughes not to that extreme but a Howard Hughes type figure. He said that he was supposedly haunted by the ghost of the boys that were killed in Vietnam. Greg: I'm going to roll a long hair. Matthew: He a price. Now, what that price was fully, we'll never know. yeah, as far as ⁓ prosecution and being held accountable legally, he away with it. Absolutely. Greg: And it just, it, it, makes you wonder because nowadays we're all plugged into so much more and we all have access to so much more. Think about the things that are still happening on that level and people are still getting away with it. Like our, all know how corrupt our government officials are. We all know the CIA just found a pilot and this was used for a good thing. Obviously they just found a pilot in the Iranian desert, hiked up on a mountain because they detected his heartbeat as a signature. knew it was. heartbeat from miles away and I don't terrify you a little bit because my heart's been beating for 48 years. I didn't know they were tracking it. Matthew: It's wild and we'll get into that in episode two. Well, we're gonna go to the aliens. Aliens and UFOs, we're going to talk about secret technology that has been reverse engineered that we have now about what everybody's seen. Is it us, is it aliens, are the aliens interplanetary or are they interdimensional? Greg: That episode too. Is that where we're going? Aliens and UFOs? Matthew: about, ⁓ we'll talk about. Greg: All right. Well, that means I'm to have to, I'm to have to coordinate with David because if we're talking UFOs and outer space stuff, David's got to be involved because he, ⁓ he just got lit up for claiming the moon landing. Didn't didn't or the moon circumventure doesn't impress him because we went to the thing and landed on it 60 years ago. And mind you, this is, this is a cat from Thomas in Georgia, trying to say, go into the mood and impressive. Matthew: think we have Greg: Well, that's what he said. And, and the interwebs have blown him up on our social media. So you're to have to, you're going to have to dig in and jump on there and play with folks. So that's part of the part of this game is where they call you an idiot. got a smile on them and say, thanks for watching. Matthew: keep watching tell me whatever you want to but yeah the next one will be it'll be deep it's very interesting it's very and it's weird and it's you know there I will put it this way as you and I raised in the South right And this will be instructions ⁓ to get your mind right before the next episode for anybody that may listen. As you and I raised in the South, we know we're in the Bibleville. We were all raised with it, right? Guy got swallowed by a fish, got spit back out. Guy walks on water. Guy, you know, raises his hand in an ocean split, you know, whatever. Okay, great. You believe that? Great. But here's the thing. Why, ask yourself this before the next episode, why are you so willing to believe that? There's no question. No examination of anything. But when I say there are... beings either from other dimensions or other planets that are here. Why is that so weird to you? Greg: I mean, I would, I would connect the dots to me. I think, I don't think the two have to be mutually exclusive. I think some of those other beings might be angels and demons, and I think they can correlate together. I don't think one has to exclude the other, but I understand where you're going. And that'll, that will be an interesting topic. Cause I'm like you, that is, that is something that I have, I have long wrestled with. And for somebody whose faith is as important to them as mine is to me, it is kind of hard to think about. Could you go, Hey, what if one day we come to some sort of proof that there's other life out there? that change what I believe I've come to peace with that I've figured out how to wrestle through those theological debates internally but we'll probably get into some of that on the next episode we'll I got a little travel coming up so we'll give the folks a week to digest this one and give me some time to study on the UFO and and the space alien stuff and I'll get David let him know that we're gonna film that one next and get him involved because he's a trip I don't know if you've been listening to other show but he'll have lots of good questions for you All right. So Matt is accusing LBJ of assassinating JFK. I think the, ⁓ the statute of limitations probably long since passed. So LBJ is probably, ⁓ probably not going to be prosecuted or persecuted, but I think it's a plausible theory. And, and I think the terrifying thing and the conspiratorial nature of this is the simple fact that that's the most obvious outcome and he got away with it. And we, none of us will probably ever know for sure what really happened. Matthew: And if nobody, if you're out there and you haven't watched House of Cards, watch House of Cards because I think that that's exactly how it works. Greg: Love that show. I think House of Cards is probably a fairly accurate depiction of how things go down in Congress as well. Matthew: I think that was Bill and Hillary Clinton. It was model after them. I think that people are killed every day, every day by our government, by leaders in our government, and I don't think they loosen out. Greg: I don't disagree with that at all. think that's, that's a very likely scenario. Well, that, that's cool. Wrap it up for today. Matt, I appreciate your time, brother. I look forward to doing this, man. We go, we go have some fun getting into some deep stuff and I'm sure weird friends will just get weird as we continue to get more comfortable with this and start putting stuff out there. ⁓ any of you guys listening, y'all feel free to hit us up. Let us know what you want us to talk about. We'll, we'll share our opinions and our thoughts on just about anything is as long as it's a little bit weird. So Matt, you got anything you want to leave the folks with? Matthew: Good to go, man. I appreciate it. Like I said, I grew up right on Coast to Coast AM. don't, I don't know if you've listened to that, but when I was in college at Mercer, Coast to Coast AM was hosted by Art Bell and it would come on at midnight on AM radio. And I'm a huge fan of AM radio because of the talent. People don't realize the talent it takes to run a talk show, especially when you don't have a cohost, you don't have guests, you just talk. Greg: Well, I got, got a couple of things I can add real quick and I hate to interrupt, as someone who's trying to host a show solo, can tell you do it more than about 10 minutes solo is hard work. Second, I was not listening to AM radio at midnight during college. Cause I went to college in Athens, Georgia and I was doing different things at midnight. Matthew: You were doing a lot different things. See, I was listening to Art Bell take a call from, as he would famously say, two different phone numbers, one for East of the Rockies, one for West of the Rockies, and he would say, East of the Rockies. Greg: I was likely stumbling home from Uptown's lounge trying to find my way to Brumby Hall to see if somebody would let me in. Matthew: I was listening to somebody tell me that they were actually a werewolf and the shape-shifter skinwalker and they got abducted by aliens and he would just listen never made fun of anybody he would just say oh tell me about that okay when did that first happen and they would tell their whole story so anyway my point is no this is a great opportunity I appreciate you doing it with me it's something I've always wanted to do and it's Greg: I mean, we'll we'll get aliens and UFOs and all that fun stuff next and until then y'all keep it weird. Matthew: See you guys.