Latest / Pastor John Piper's answers / How Does Learning Deepen Joy?
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- 0:04Well as Thursday's episode ended. Last week, Pastor John, you had just
- 0:08begun to talk to us about the joy of learning. Will never understand your
- 0:14model for lifelong learning or for education if we leave the affections and the emotions
- 0:18out of the equation. I mean, it just won't make sense. And
- 0:21this explains why the words joy and feeling, terms of emotion and affection are
- 0:28terms that we see all over your older book titled Think, the Life of
- 0:33the Mind and the Love of God. In that book and Think, you
- 0:37mentioned those two terms joy and feeling one hundred and ten times, closely linking
- 0:44proper thinking with proper feeling. That book Think is twelve and a half years
- 0:50old now, so I was eager to see how often you use those terms
- 0:54of joy and feeling in this new book, and they dominate even more.
- 1:00The words joy and feeling appear three hundred and fifty seven times in new new
- 1:04book, Foundations for Lifelong Learning Education in Serious Joy. Those two terms joy
- 1:12and feeling are all over this new book. To the point that you make
- 1:17this claim explicitly. Quote some people think that emotions are marginal in the task
- 1:23of education. We regard them as essential. End quote. Unpack this.
- 1:30What essential role does joy and feeling play in Bible learning and in all of
- 1:37our learning. This is so important, so so important for understanding the nature
- 1:42of true education. When I try to help people understand what we are doing
- 1:49at Bethlehem College and Seminary or in my life, I regularly mention these six
- 1:56habits of mind and heart that we're trying to build into the lives of our
- 2:01students, or that I'm trying to build into my own life, both college
- 2:06students and seminary students and everybody else who will listen. We don't think education
- 2:12is mainly the imparting of information, or mainly the training and a technical skill,
- 2:19But mainly it's the formation of a mature disciple of Christ who can go
- 2:25on learning for a lifetime of wisdom and wonder in whatever vocation God calls them.
- 2:34So when I'm trying to help folks understand what we do, I mention
- 2:37these six habits observation, understanding, evaluation, feeling, alarm bells go off,
- 2:45application, expression, and the order is really important makes a huge difference
- 2:53because these habits are governed by a Christ exalting, God sent heard, Bible
- 3:00saturated worldview. So First we observe accurately we're honest people. Then we understand
- 3:08truly what we've under what we've observed. Then we evaluate fairly on the basis
- 3:16of accurate observation and true understanding. Then we feel appropriately. Then in all
- 3:25the ways of wisdom, we apply what we have observed and understood and evaluated
- 3:30and felt. And then we give expression with our mouth and in writing in
- 3:37compelling ways that glorify God and bring blessing to people. And what I find
- 3:45is that it's the fourth habit of mind and heart that puzzles people, causes
- 3:52them to have a question mark on their face. And it's the one that
- 3:57you're asking about feeling, name joy or feeling or whatever. Appropriate emotions should
- 4:05arise as one is observing and understanding and evaluating. So we observe, we
- 4:14understand, we evaluate, and then I say, we feel we feel appropriately,
- 4:18And people wonder, really, really, one of your six aims of
- 4:25a college education or a seminary education is feeling? And the answer is a
- 4:31resounding and unashamed yes. I mean, when all is said and done in
- 4:39education, this may be the one habit of mind that distinguishes true education from
- 4:45artificial intelligence. At one level. Computers observe, understand, evaluate, apply,
- 4:55express, but no computer will ever love or hate, or admire or
- 5:01hope or rejoice or sympathize. No matter what emotional words the computer speaks out,
- 5:08it doesn't matter what they say, it's not going to happen. These
- 5:13are distinctively human acts of the God created image of God's soul, and they
- 5:20are all important. In the Bible. The number one commandment in the Bible
- 5:28is not know the Lord your God, but love the Lord your God with
- 5:35all your heart, all of it, all your heart. And Paul said,
- 5:42let those who do not have love for the Lord be anathema. He
- 5:46said that the whole Old Testament was written that we might have hope and emotion,
- 5:56hope over and over. We are commanded to rejoice in the Lord,
- 6:01to serve the Lord with gladness. We are commanded to weep with those who
- 6:06weep, and rejoice with those who rejoice. We're commanded to be tender hearted.
- 6:13Tender hearted. That's not a thought, it's a feeling, and to
- 6:18feel compassion. These are not optional, They're not peripheral in the Bible.
- 6:23They are essential to being a whole human being. An educated human being to
- 6:30being a Christian. Nobody is saved by thinking true thoughts about God or even
- 6:38believing true things about God. The devil believes more true things about God than
- 6:44we do, because he knows more than we know about God. But he
- 6:48hates them all. He hates these things about God that he knows. He
- 6:54hates them. That's a feeling. He hates them. That's the main issue
- 6:58in life. It's the issue. It's not a peripheral issue. It's not
- 7:02what he thinks. That's the problem. He feels all the wrong things.
- 7:06That's what makes him the devil. And shall we neglect in education the very
- 7:13thing that sets us apart from the demons, the very thing that fulfills the
- 7:18Great Commandment? Shall we neglect it? The very thing that shows we're not
- 7:25mere walking computers. We are humans created in the image of God. So
- 7:30yes, yes, yes, yes, we seek to build into our own
- 7:36lives and the lives of our students and our APJ listeners. Right now,
- 7:42the habits of observing, accurately, understanding, truly, evaluating fairly, And
- 7:49I wish I could scream it from the housetops. Feeling appropriately and then applying
- 7:56wisely and expressing compellingly. And when we say feeling appropriately, we mean there
- 8:05are healthy, mature and virtuous emotions in response to different realities, and there
- 8:13are unhealthy, immature and evil emotions in responding to different realities. It's evil
- 8:24evil to rejoice over the spreading of a lie. It's a sign of mental
- 8:31unhealth not to feel empathy for a fellow Christian languishing in prison for his faith.
- 8:41It's a sign of emotional immaturity to giggle at a slip up in a
- 8:48public communication. This is the real stuff of education. Knowledge is good,
- 8:56knowledge is necessary. Love is better. A critical mind is a gift.
- 9:03A well formed soul with deep and virtuous emotions is a greater gift. C.
- 9:11S. Lewis we love. Lewis wrote about education in the Abolition of
- 9:16Man. Alan Jacobs, in his biography of Lewis, sums up Lewis's point
- 9:22in the Abolition of Man like this quote. Lewis passionately believed that education is
- 9:28not about providing information so much as cultivating habits of the heart, producing men
- 9:37with chests. As he put it in his book The Abolition of Man.
- 9:43That is so here's his explanation of men with chests people who not only think
- 9:52as they should, but respond as they should instinctively and emotionally to the challenges
- 10:01and blessings the world offers them, to which I say exactly exactly. Education
- 10:11aims at right thinking about the world and right emotional responses to the world.
- 10:18Now, of course, once we say that and believe that, we are
- 10:22launched into the massive question of what makes a feeling virtuous. This is why
- 10:28secular colleges and universities cannot state the aims of their education the way we do.
- 10:37They cannot say that their aim is to build into their students' lives the
- 10:41habit of forming virtuous feelings, because there's no consensus in the universities about what
- 10:48makes a feeling virtuous. Say a feeling about sex outside marriage, a feeling
- 10:52about trying to change your sex, a feeling about a killing unborn children,
- 10:58a feeling about and economic strategies, feelings about Jesus Christ and the way of
- 11:05salvation. They have no way that they can agree on what is a virtuous
- 11:11feeling in response to those massive realities. Which is a tragedy when you think
- 11:16about it, that our kids are being educated in institutions that cannot state their
- 11:22goals that way. The fact that in this new book, Foundations of Lifelong
- 11:30Learning, I include an entire chapter on the lifelong educational goal of appropriate feelings
- 11:39virtuous feelings that only makes sense. The existence of that chapter only makes sense
- 11:46because I believe in radically Christian Bible saturated christ exalting education. This podcast,
- 11:52that book, Bethleem College and seminary, all of this, all my life
- 11:58aims at cultivate the mental and emotional habit of experiencing virtuous feelings. A virtuous
- 12:05feeling, in response to an accurately observed, rightly understood, truly evaluated object
- 12:16is a glorious thing. A virtuous feeling is a glorious thing. A virtuous
- 12:22feeling is an authentic overflow of the good treasure of the heart of faith.
- 12:30A virtuous feeling is shaped and intensified and limited by the fruit of the Holy
- 12:37Spirit. A virtuous feeling is an expression of love to God and people,
- 12:43even when it is hatred of evil. A virtuous feeling is a christ exalting
- 12:52feeling. We are not well educated people until we can respond to reality in
- 13:03healthy, mature, virtuous, appropriate ways as we feel appropriately. That will
- 13:13include abhorrence of what is evil, Romans twelve nine. It will include sympathy
- 13:20for the suffering Romans twelve fifteen. It will include fear of any hint of
- 13:26unbelief rising in my heart Romans eleven twenty. It will include overflowing joy in
- 13:33response to the Gospel of the Grace of God Tewod Corinthians eight, verse two.
- 13:39That's why the subtitle of the new book is education in serious serious joy.
- 13:52Joy will be the dominant feeling for the Christian in this life, but
- 13:58in a world like ours, it will be serious, even sorrowful joy.
- 14:05Yeah, education exists for virtuous feeling. Christ Exalting education, This podcast,
- 14:11the new book, Bethlehem College, and seminary, all of this, all
- 14:16My life aims at cultivating the mental and emotional habit of experiencing virtuous feeling,
- 14:24a virtuous feeling in response to an accurately observed, rightly understood, truly evaluated
- 14:33object. That is a mouthful, but that's a game changer as well when
- 14:37it comes to considering schools and academic options for education for yourself or for your
- 14:45for your young adult Thank you, pastor John, and thanks for joining us
- 14:48today. If you want to ask Pastor John. Type out your question as
- 14:52briefly as possible, please and email it to me at ask Pastor John at
- 14:56desiring Good dot org. Well, our episode up next on Thursday, lands
- 15:00on a national holiday for us here in the States Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is Thursday,
- 15:05but Thanksgiving is for all of us, all the time. And we
- 15:07return with a fitting question from a listener on Romans one twenty one, and
- 15:13how are God word Thanksgiving or lack of Thanksgiving shapes the entire trajectory of our
- 15:24lives. Paul makes this claim in Romans one. So how is the story
- 15:28of your life told by your Thanksgiving? We'll find out Thursday. We'll see then