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Should the Tush Push stay a legal football play? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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You can call us like I always say. 63, 16723108 Adam Schefter
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reports that the NFL owners have voted to keep the tush push as a
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legal NFL play after not getting 75% of the vote to ban it. 24
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out of 32 teams wouldn't, I mean would have needed to vote for
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banning the play, but they only got 22 votes.
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Both Jason Kelsey and Eagles owner Jeffrey Laurie gave about
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an hour long speech or persuading teams why the play
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should stay legal in football. A lot of teams referenced safety
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concerns as the reason they wanted them to ban it, but both
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Laurie and Kelsey explained why there are many other plays that
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are just as dangerous that then that is.
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Still, the Packers and Matt Lafleur were the ones that
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started the petition to ban the play and the coaches of other
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teams like the Falcons, Rams, and Lions also spoke against
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through I'm sorry, spoke against it.
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Throughout the offseason, the Eagles social media team trolled
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the Packers with a picture of them running the tush push
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against the Packers with the captain with the captain push
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on. The Eagles success rate of the
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Tush Bush was 82.4% last season, down from 2023 season when they
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succeeded 88.1% and 2020 two 92.3.
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The reason why there's a difference is Jason Kelsey.
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Jason Kelsey really revolutionized that quarterback
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sneak, tush push. And the only thing that's
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different about the tush pushes, they have two players standing
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behind the quarterback and pushing him.
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That's that's all. It is, but where did where did
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that come from? No, it it to me it was really
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the Eagles. They really re redefined the
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quarterback sneak. That's what they did.
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I mean, if you look at what Josh Allen does in the NFL.
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We've seen he, he, he goes to the guard on.
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Josh. Allen on the on the A gap or the
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C gap and goes there. Josh Allen Josh Allen is 6 foot
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5-6, foot 6 and he's 260 lbs. Gigantic, enormous human being.
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OK, you look at Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts soaking wet is
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probably 210 lbs soaking wet. I mean, obviously he has one of
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the. I bet he's more.
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I bet he's more than. That he's got strong legs.
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He he obviously squats 650 lbs. He's one has one of the
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strongest legs in the NFL and that's why the tush push is
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successful. Even though he's not as big as
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Josh Allen, his strength, his leg strength and his ability to
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push forward is what makes him very, very unique.
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But you have either a tight end and a full back pushing you from
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behind and practically lifting you up.
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I I mean, that's why the success rate is there.
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Now again, going back to this year from the last two years is
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Jason Kelsey. Jason Kelsey is a unique
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individual. This is a all time great center.
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I think people forget how great Jason Kelsey is because Jason
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Kelsey played on arguably the best offensive line in football
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for how many years? I mean for the last 8 years.
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I mean, you have Peters, you have Lane Johnson.
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I mean, these guys are going to be Hall of Famers, first ballot
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Hall of Famers. How many offensive tackles,
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offensive lineman are first ballot Hall of Famers?
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Not many of them. They already have two guys and
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now three. I mean, Jason Kelsey is a first
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ballot Hall of Famer. These guys are the best at their
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positions for almost 10 years. So again, you you go back and of
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course Jeffrey Laurie's not going to say that it's illegal
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and he's going to say that it should be fair.
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And, and I think the NFL likes the fact that this is a
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challenge, likes the fact that, you know, the Eagles are going
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to go for it like this, stop it, find a way to stop it.
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There's got Bill Belichick is the king of finding ways to to
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work a certain play and and try to rediscover, redefine the way
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to defend it. Bill Belichick is the king of
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doing that. There's got to be somebody out
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there that's going to figure it out.
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When they do, it's not going to work.
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And and then the NFL is going to the Eagles are going to decide,
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hey, you know what, I'm not doing it anymore.
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It's not going to succeed because once a coach figures it
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out, the whole NFL, the whole league is going to figure out
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how to stop it. Nobody's figured it out yet
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because it's very hard to stop somebody that is as strong as
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Jalen Hurts. I'm, I'm, I'm sorry, guys, when
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you know a guy can squat 650 lbs, just think about this.
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He squats as much as Saquon Barkley.
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OK, Think about it. Saquon Barkley's legs are twice
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the size of Jalen Hurts, and this guy's a quarterback.
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And he's not as big, as I said, as Josh Allen or even Patrick
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Mahomes. And this guy's squatting 650 lbs
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and he maxed out at one time, I think I've read almost close to
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800. This is a quarterback, so I just
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think it's it's very hard to stop a guy that's as strong and
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his fast and it has the ability and the athletic ability that he
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has. And, and again, the Eagles are
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not going to stop and the league is not going to stop anything
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because the league knows that this has been going on for
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forever. Quarterback sneak's been around
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forever. Stop it.
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Find a way to stop it. Yeah, they tried to.
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Go ahead, Speedy, go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say, I
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think they tried to I think they tried to even 2023, I think it
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was the Bengals owner, Mike Brown.
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I think they wanted to ban it even then too.
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And that's when all the discussions started really
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across the league. And yeah, there's a way to do it
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that I it was funny, the shout out to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
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social media team. They actually posted mechanics
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on how to stop the tush push because they've been the best at
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against it. Obviously they did it in the
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playoff game. It was the emphasis 1.
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And I think they've stopped at the most among the team so far.
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But there's adjustments that can be made with it too.
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And I think some of these coaches are starting to be more
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creative. You're a defensive guy, speedy
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if you are a defensive coordinator in the league right
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now. This is a good question if
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you're a defensive. You got to talk to fish on this
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too. I will, I will.
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I got, I got. I got a question here.
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If you were a defensive coordinator right now in the
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NFL, how would you defend it? So you generally.
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Don't do what the other teams are saying to do.
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If you were a defensive coordinator and you're looking
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at, you know, from XS to OS, how would you stop?
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So I would. But what?
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What what hold on? What personnel are you working?
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With that's what I'm going to explain.
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So I, I think you have to probably like a traditional goal
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line defense has three defensive tackles.
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So I think you would have to add more.
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If you're facing the Eagles, I think you probably would want
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4/4 of them on the field. And then you'd want two guys
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that are going to jump the ball like you would see on a field
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goal kick. Guys like a speed linebacker,
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speed edge rusher that has the vertical to be able to jump it
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and try to do it from both sides, you have to make them
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adjust in some way, which you saw the Eagles do this year a
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little bit with Saquan, because Saquan is that good.
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They didn't really, I mean, Mile Sanders are the one good year,
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but he kind of fell off after that.
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So they didn't really have the other like second option to make
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that kind of thing work. So that's the way I would do it
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if I were. And again, you do it in
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different formations to defensive tackles.
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You could do sometimes like a triangle, you could do it maybe
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just four on the line. You could make it all different
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looks because I don't think there's it's going to be a play
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that's going to succeed a lot anyway.
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But that's the way I would do it.
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Now going back to the actual the actual push push thing, I think
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teams are starting to be more creative with it where they're
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not even just doing their quarterback either.
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I think the Niners have done it a few times with George Kittle.
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The Cardinals did it a few times with Trey McBride lining him up
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in the backfield and you doing this because they don't want
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obviously an undersized Kyler Murray to do it.
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So I think that's why the reason why it makes no sense all these
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teams want to ban it all of a sudden.
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So look, you're the mistake that everyone's making that Jason
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Kelsey pointed out, which is why I think this didn't get banned,
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is that it's actually the center's play.
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It's not the quarterback's play. It's not the guards play, it's
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not the running backs play. It's not the tight end that you
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put in a quarterback's play. It's the center.
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The center is the one that makes this play work because the
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center is going to do a technique he doesn't do on any
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other play. What he's going to do is he's
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going to dive underneath, intentionally go low and try to
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get under the 0 technique. Defensive Novus tackle under his
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pads and then just extend his body into him, therefore
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creating space for the quarterback to then move and
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then someone to push him in the back through the hole to get the
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1 yard every single time because you're just extending your body,
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creating that one yard of space. Jason Kelsey's super athletic
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center able to get low. John Michael Schmidtz, not a
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super athletic Center for the Giants, tries to do what gets
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hurt and misses half the season. A lot of teams don't realize
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that that's really the reason they're doing it.
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I'm guaranteed they've been, what's his name the the Nebraska
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guy, Jurgens. Jurgens.
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He got hurt a little bit. But that's, but that's my point
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too of of why I said I wanted you to come in from a coach's
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perspective, because now you're seeing Cam go in.
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And why did they sign Cam to a long term extension?
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Because he learned from the best of what they did.
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And why did Jason Kelsey show up to the owners meeting talking
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about how important this is in the game?
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Like you got to understand like this is a part of the game.
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Like we're not cheating. We're not doing anything.
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It's like it's something that we take pride in.
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And when you take pride in something that you did, it is
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literally something that he loves and that he sacrificed
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everything on his body and one a Lombardi trophy.
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And now he teaches a kid that's behind him.
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Mind you, I'm I'm I'm not even dropping a Nebraska reference
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here, but he gets to teach a kid that was great in college too,
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but now gets to do it. And he gets to see the same
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thing and watch a man that is the first ballot Hall of Famer
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doing exactly what he's done. And this man stands up for the
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play that, mind you, do you. We've all seen the quarterback
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sneak, right? But Jason Kelsey kind of did the
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tush push, but he showed up and let them know like, this is
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something that is important. If you're not good enough to do
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it, sorry. You need the body type and the
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prototypes to make it work. Too 100% I also.
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Hertz is perfect for it, right? Correct.
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Carol, you were saying I would. Think I would think he would be
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the only one that's perfect for it because of his strength, his
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ability, his leg strength and his ability.
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To but if he but if he doesn't have a center is is he going to
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I think he. I think he could still do it.
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I think he's just so strong and he he has the ability to find
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the hole. I I don't think, but he's he's
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he's. Tried to go off all the gaps
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he's ever done, the tush Bush, he's tried to go out the gaps
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and he got stopped all players. Yeah, So I agree, actually.
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If you don't have a center that knows how to do it, you can't
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run that play because it's not going to work.
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You need somebody that knows how to do that specific technique.
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It's unique. It's not a normal technique in
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football. So it's a specific type of
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athleticism that's required for that.
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That's why you see like a Trey McBride down there.
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You need to have really good quads and glutes and hamstrings.
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You need to be really strong in the upper leg.
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If you can do that and get low with your squats, you can't be
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one of these guys that do quarter squats and don't get get
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down. You need to be the guy that your
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ass almost hits the floor. Those are the guys that you need
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in there and those are the guys you need pushing to stay that
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low and have that power. Hertz and Barkley the the bet.
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Probably 2 of the strongest squatters there.
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Are they are? So it's not surprising that
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those guys. I bet McBride's a great squatter
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too, I guarantee. That's why, just so you guys
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know something, Jalen Hurts as far as from his waist down, is
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by far the strongest quarterback in the NFL.
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It's not even close. It's not even close.
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But at the. Same time it doesn't have the
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front inside. Do you think the Eagles would
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have signed Cam for a four year extension if he wasn't that dude
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to get that? Yes and no, because you got to
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realize it's even though it's not their whole, even though
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it's a big part of their offense, it's not the whole
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offense. They still have to be able to.
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Do no, but when you get when you get to the when you get to the
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goal line, speedy when you get to goal line and you have a guy
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that has literally learned from the best that's ever done it.
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You wouldn't sign him to a four year deal.
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Oh, that's understandable. But at the same time, would
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would the Eagles have that same level of success if Kyler Murray
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or Bryce Young like a smaller? Quarterback was the quarterback
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they needed an athletic guy that can do what obviously Jason
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Kelsey can do when they have one and that's why it's working.
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But I still think it doesn't matter who the I.
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I disagree with Fish I as long as Jalen Hurts is 100% healthy,
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you're probably no matter what you're going to get at least 75%
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of the time if you're getting the the tush.
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Just just on a QB snake, not a tush push or whatever you want.
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Even if even if you have a semi decent center and he's trying to
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do the tush. Push and Dickerson could shift
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to center, too. I honestly think that because
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Jalen Hertz is so shifty and so strong, they're going to
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probably get it I would say 75% of the time no matter what.
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That's just my opinion. And the way to stop it is pretty
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simple. I mean, if you have three,
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really you? Did it with Josh Allen.
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We saw him. Josh Allen's not great.
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I don't think Josh Allen's great because I don't think he gets
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low enough. No, he's big.
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You still think? He's.
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He tries. He tries to use his body.
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As a fullback, he's not as much of A knee Bender.
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And so like, like one of the first things you get, like as I
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get college coaches coming to ask about my offense, high
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school offensive lineman, the first question they ask, is he a
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knee Bender? Because it's about how low you
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leverage isn't right. It's a it's a real thing.
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Hold on fish, can you explain what that means?
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Yeah. So like you need to be able to
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get 90° and you need to be able to like as an offensive lineman,
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you don't stand up until the play is over.
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So you need to be able to run at full speed while in a sort of
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1/2 Crouch. So you need to be able to stay
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low and move quick at the same time and have power at the same
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time as all of that. So it's not an easy thing to do
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if you're a skill guy trying to do a line technique like this.
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Play basically is, well, you know, you need to be able to
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stay low, be a knee Bender and having credible power going
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forwards. There's certain exercises that
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show that power cleaning being one of them, squats being
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another. And it's not surprising why the
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Eagles are successful. If The Jets want to use a guy
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like maybe Braylon Allen pushing behind, and now you have a
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Justin Fields who's a little bit stronger.
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He needs to put on a little bit. He's not as strong as Hertz, but
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I believe if you guys, you guys might have a chance to do it.
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And teams that have more athletic playing lower to the
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ground. Quarterbacks are the guys.
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Well, and I, I want to get off the topic because we have a lot
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more to get into. I, I will say this, The Jets are
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going to use a lot of quarterbacks sneaks.
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That's why they drafted Mamba Mambu.
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The reason why they drafted Mambu is because Mambu is
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really, really strong and, and they have Olu on the other side.
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They're two really strong anchors on your offensive line
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and Mambu is just a beast. He's going to open up lanes,
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he's fast. He ran A48 at the combine.
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He's going to split opening opportunities for guys.
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But that doesn't do anything with you at the goal line.
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It might. I mean, you are offensive.
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Lineman don't do anything first. Of all.
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First of all, hold on one second.
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No, I'm saying. That might be on the inside of.
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The line, no, he doesn't have to.
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It doesn't have to be. If you're opening up one side of
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the line, all he's got to do is run right through it.
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So you would think that right and the Eagles have Saquon
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Barkley and if anyone is it was a Saquon Barkley fantasy owner
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last year, you know that you didn't get half as many
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touchdowns as you should have got.
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Because even though Saquon Barkley could have ran right
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behind Lane Thomas every time and got in, they did the tush
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push because it's an automatic play for them because of how
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strong hurts. And I think so I.
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I think Justin, that's the thing.
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I think Justin Fields is going to score a lot of touchdowns for
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The Jets this year because that's what they're going to do.
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And and, and, and Justin Fields, it has an offense, a young
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offensive line that can push people back.
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And, and this is a good, this is a very athletic offensive line.
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I think this is going to be one of the better, and I'm not
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saying this is a Jeff M This is going to be one of the more
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talented young offensive lines right now in the NFL, so.
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Quickly, before we get off it, I do have a sort of a solution on
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how to stop it and we saw one team try to do it.
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We saw Chris Jones try to go horizontal and attack the ball
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and the reason why he did that is what it's a Spags idea and
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I'm thinking what he's doing is if you have horizontal pressure
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on the guy. To get away, to get away from
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the ball. It knocks him off his axis and
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now the nose can just go forwards and push him back and I
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think that'll work. But I think Chris Jones hurt
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himself because he got hit before he was able to do it, so
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he tweaked his back doing that. I would have.
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I think the move is you put two guys, you have Chris Jones and
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you put a linebacker behind him. So if he pushes them, the
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linebacker jumps over Jones and then knifes in and tries to.
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I was just about to say they get 2 athletic linebackers that can.
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Yeah, I think that's the middle and push.
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But it has to be within conjunction with affecting the
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leverage of the center. The deuce of the dead.
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What the hell was that? You log, not a log.
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I don't have a log but. No.
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Well, that was interesting. Ladies and gentlemen, my deuce
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of the day goes to the Steelers. As Alex Highsmith was on a
19:47
podcast recently, he said some interesting things about the
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Aaron Rodgers situation. He says Aaron Rodgers weight
19:56
isn't a distraction to all of us.
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If he does sign, well, definitely, he'll definitely be
20:02
a boost, but we're not sure, but we're going to be excited if he
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does. Here's what I'm going to say
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about the great Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers does what Aaron
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Rodgers wants. That's why the New York Jets
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organization and Aaron Glenn and ownership did not want him there
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this coming season. He is not a Good Samaritan for
20:22
an organization, especially a young organization with a new
20:26
coach. And now he's going to a team
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like Mike Tomlin. I guess they have a love fest.
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And Mike Tomlin probably told everybody, including Aaron
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Rodgers, hey, come back, come to the team, whatever you want.
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OTAs will be over. You can come practice with the
20:41
team before the season and we'll be fine.
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The problem right now with Aaron Rodgers is if Aaron Rodgers does
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not go and sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers and decides
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to part ways and retire, who did the Steelers have as their
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starting quarterback? I I mean, seriously, they're
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waiting for Aaron Rodgers to make a decision and OTAs or
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what, two months, a month and a half away?
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This is not a good sign. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're
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a Steelers fan and anybody that thinks this is a good sign for
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for the Steelers organization and Mike Tomlin with this
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defense, one of the elite defenses.
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Elite only spells trouble. And you know what I think about
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this? I think not only this is the
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deuce of the day, this is an absolute debacle for an
21:24
organization that supposedly is a top organization and one of
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the best organizations run in all of the NFL.
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This Rooney or this family, the Rooney family and even a family
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over there that's running the New York Football Giants that
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are very well respected throughout the league.
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They have been nothing but a debacle.
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A Pittsburgh Steeler organization that hasn't gotten
21:47
out of the first round in eight seasons, and now a New York
21:50
Giants team that hasn't won a Super Bowl or hasn't even come
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close to a Super Bowl since 2011. 7 Just an absolute crock.
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So my deuce of the day goes to the Pittsburgh Steelers and this
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Aaron Rodgers debacle. So there you go.
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Thank you for all by the way. It was, I don't know if it was
22:09
High Smith, but it was another defensive player.
22:11
Cameron Hayward. Cameron Hayward, Cameron Hayward
22:14
said. I think it was a couple of weeks
22:16
ago after the Super Bowl says if Aaron Rodgers comes to this
22:19
team, it'll be an absolute debacle and the organization is
22:23
making a huge mistake. And now you have High Smith, one
22:25
of their best linebackers, one of the best defensive players
22:28
saying, hey, we're going to we're going to welcome it with
22:30
open arms. Is this team actually on the
22:33
same path? Do they actually know what
22:35
they're freaking doing? I, I don't know what this team
22:39
in this organization's trying to do.
22:41
They've made so many mistakes. They drafted Kenny Pickett, he's
22:44
no longer with this organization.
22:46
They bring in Russell Westbrook, Russell, I'm sorry, Russell
22:49
Wilson, They bring in Justin Fields.
22:52
They had a good young quarterback.
22:53
All they had to do was start him throughout the season last year
22:57
and not bring in Russell Wilson in the middle of a season and
23:01
maybe Justin Field signs with them and instead they got Aaron
23:05
friggin Rodgers. Or do they?
23:07
We don't know. So I don't know what's going on
23:10
with this organization. Nobody does.
23:12
I don't get it. I don't get it.
23:14
But you know what? Thank God it's not the New York
23:16
Jets. Thank God The Jets are not in
23:19
the tabloids with the Aaron Rodgers saga.
23:21
They were. I thought I thought we could get
23:23
through a segment without having The Jets reference or.
23:26
Something. I haven't spoken, I haven't seen
23:28
The Jets, I think. I haven't spoken about The Jets
23:30
in weeks. I don't even, I know it's been,
23:33
it's been a few. I was proud of you.
23:35
I'm I'm giving you a compliment. First of all, if I'm giving, I'm
23:38
giving you a compliment. If I ever speak about The Jets,
23:40
it's not good. OK?
23:42
So I don't know. I don't know why anybody thinks
23:45
that when I speak about The Jets, it's good.
23:47
It's a good story. It's usually bad.
23:49
But yeah, I thank God The Jets are not the laughingstock right
23:53
now in the offseason. It is the Pittsburgh Steelers.
23:56
They have nothing. Who is their quarterback if he
23:59
doesn't sign with them? Is it Mason Rudolph?
24:03
I think it's Mason Rudolph, yeah.
24:06
They're they're arguably the worst team in the NFL.
24:08
Next year with Mason Rudolph is their starting quarterback.
24:11
And maybe they're they're looking to lose.
24:13
And maybe this is Mike Tomlin's farewell tour because then they
24:17
get the number one pick next year with the quarterback class.
24:19
Very, very good. Next.
24:20
Year if it says to not forget about Will Howard, the great
24:23
Will Howard. Could you stop Nathan?
24:25
What are you? Even Nathan Nathan put in
24:29
perspective. Even Wes is a huge Ohio State
24:31
Buckeyes fan. Couldn't stand Will Howard.
24:33
Will Howard, is that where we're coming to?
24:36
This is where we're coming. I, I mean serious, I don't, I
24:39
don't understand the Pittsburgh Steelers.
24:41
I think the Browns have a better, they're in better
24:43
position to have a better season with the quarterback debacle
24:46
they have over there than the Pittsburgh Steelers.
24:49
At least they have four quarters.
24:51
Why didn't you? Why don't they sign Joe Flacco?
24:54
Joe Flacco was again sitting on his parents sofa and now he's
24:58
over there with the Browns and they have what, 4 starting
25:00
quarterbacks or whatever they have over there.
25:02
Well, they got 3 and. 14 healthy and one that's on IR with
25:07
Watson. Well, hold on one second.
25:09
They got four of them, they drafted 2 of them, and one of
25:12
them that's probably going to be on the practice squad after
25:15
making 6,000,000 last year is making 4 million after being
25:18
drafted in the fifth round this past year.
25:20
You know what I'm talking about. Your boy Chador is I got to
25:25
figure out a nickname for Chador Sanders.
25:27
I got to get a. You didn't find 1 yet like you
25:30
did with the gremlin. He looks like a gremlin.
25:33
I mean, anybody, Has anybody seen what Travis Hunter looks
25:39
like? I mean, seriously, I'm not
25:41
trying to. Make we all, we all.
25:42
Have. I mean when he smiles he looks
25:44
like a gremlin. I mean he really does.
25:47
I mean, by the way, they're coming out with Gremlins Tree
25:49
finally after 25 years. So maybe he's a starring He
25:52
stars as one of the lead roles in that movie.
25:55
I mean, that would be cool, right?
25:57
And everybody would be giving me the head.
25:59
You know, they'd be giving me the compliments because I gave
26:01
him the nickname Gremlin. I I give everybody a nickname.
26:04
I just never get credit for anything I do on this show,
26:07
ever. I mean, I've called things and
26:09
I've said, by the way, where's Bambi?
26:11
I mean, where? Oh, I forgot, he's in San
26:13
Francisco. How, How?
26:14
How's that? How's that debacle going to last
26:18
this coming season? By the way, where are you, Owen?
26:21
Where's the compliments from that one baby?
26:23
We call this King of the Hill, and here's the King of the Hill.
26:28
This, Bobby, is the Beltline. You never ever hit below that.
26:32
Not that kind of king of the hill, you dumb.
26:36
This is king of the hill. All right, ladies and gentlemen,
26:40
we do this every single week. How many how many weeks have we
26:43
done this is it's been 2 third. Week, I think.
26:46
I think it's third week. Yeah, so it's been 2 weeks and
26:49
now this is the third week. Third, yeah.
26:51
So guys, welcome to King of the Hill.
26:53
This is a competition where everyone competes to have a
26:57
chance to take on the king, and the king has been the king the
27:01
entire time. Errol has won every single one
27:03
of these and we have 3 rounds and basically there's different
27:06
trivia. Tonight is NFL themed on who's
27:09
going to compete. Errol as the king will decide
27:11
who are the two finalists to make it to the joust in round
27:15
two. Different topic.
27:16
And Errol will pick who he faces in the final round.
27:19
And then all of us, as if it's a democracy, will vote on if the
27:23
king stays the king or not. You guys ready to play King of
27:28
the Hill? Yes.
27:31
Where I'm going, that guy? Well, you want us to cheer here?
27:34
Good for me or good for you? It's it's good for both of them.
27:36
It's good for all. The drops you got a million
27:38
drops you could have put. Anything you know right here?
27:41
I got one for you. A lot of hot ladies.
27:42
There you go. Let's go.
27:43
Yeah, where is Nathan? I told him to come on.
27:45
Kevin, Nathan. Nathan the witty Do you want to
27:48
jerk me off, Nathan? Get in here man.
27:54
Nathan, you got to stop, you know, duty dodging.
27:57
Cocka Doo Doo. Cocka doodle.
28:00
Play Cocka. Doodle, can I touch it?
28:02
All right, so guys, here we go. First round we have the peasant
28:07
fight. My dog wants your Pussycat.
28:09
A chance to fight over the best running backs in NFL history.
28:15
The way it goes, it's just going to go one person, say a running
28:18
back, explain why briefly. Next person goes and we're just
28:22
going to name 3 and we will randomly start with whoever the
28:25
king decides to start with. All right, I'm going to go
28:29
speedy. All right, I'm going to go Barry
28:30
Sanders. I think Barry Sanders we've
28:32
talked about a lot. It played in a really crappy
28:34
offensive line. They had one potential Hall of
28:36
Famer with Lamas Brown, but they had no quarterback.
28:39
They had barely any offensive line and he was putting up the
28:41
numbers like crazy. Basically the definitely the
28:43
most athletic, shiftiest running backs I've ever seen either.
28:47
And again, it's so much on a such a bad team.
28:49
I got to go him. Fish.
28:52
Sweetness, Walter Payden absolutely has to be considered
28:56
one of the greatest running backs of all time. 85 Bears.
28:59
Not to mention everything he did earlier in his career on teams
29:01
that maybe weren't as successful.
29:03
Kind of the pioneer of the modern running back Walter
29:07
Payden. Jabba, I'm.
29:09
Going to go GAIL Sayers. GAIL Sayers, obviously from
29:12
being from Nebraska, doing what he did and how he accomplished
29:17
all the things he was comeback player of the year, offensive
29:19
player of the year, scoring leader in 65, just an absolute
29:23
dynamic player. All right, Mr. You know what?
29:28
Tommy poops himself. I'm going to go with OJ Simpson.
29:34
Look, the man, OJ Simpson has been one of the best running
29:38
back or was one of the best running backs of all time.
29:40
And killer pick. The way I see it, hey, I see
29:45
what you did there. I see what you did there, Fish.
29:47
I caught on but. Basically, I can only see half
29:52
your. Kind of put my face in the
29:54
camera here, move my mic over a little bit.
29:56
It's on this camera here. Let's move this a little bit,
29:58
but. All right, yeah, Basically tell
30:00
us about why the juice is loose like.
30:03
You said it's a very killer pick.
30:04
I mean, really one of the most dominant running backs of all
30:07
time really just put like nobody knew how to stat pad the the
30:12
patch. Nobody know how to stat the stat
30:13
sheet like Mr. OJ Simpson over here, Tommy Freeze and oh, Nope,
30:18
I should be still gone. Can you still see me?
30:20
No. Nope.
30:21
Am I even better now, Tommy? All right, there we go Perfect.
30:23
But. Yeah, All right.
30:24
End this. End this like please.
30:26
No, Yeah, honestly, very, very dominant.
30:28
And OJ Simpson. There we go.
30:29
There we go. All right, back to Speedy.
30:33
All right, I'll go with Danny and Tomlinson.
30:34
I would think the best running back in the 2000s pass catching
30:37
guy is in addition to being one of the most electric runners.
30:39
I think his secondary move from his Juke to spin with some of
30:42
the best we've ever seen on a Chargers really resurrecting
30:46
that Chargers team from I know they had a Super Bowl run, but
30:48
they were like pretty, pretty poverty franchise after Dan
30:52
Fouts retired. Besides that one Super Bowl kind
30:54
of resonanting them, I think the most electric one I've ever seen
30:57
in my time watching football as a pure runner and also a
30:59
receiver. Well I'm not going to disagree
31:03
with the receiver part, but best in the early 2000s, I'm going
31:06
with Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson, one of the best
31:11
running backs I've ever seen in my entire life.
31:13
Bruising running back through the tackles with lightning
31:16
speed. Came back from an ACL in what, 6
31:19
months to run for 2000 yards. One of the most amazing feats of
31:24
athleticism anyone's ever done. I'll still never forget him
31:27
torturing all of all the giants every single time they face
31:31
them. I went to one of the games where
31:33
he scored three touchdowns. The Chargers always blew up the
31:35
Giants. Well, that too, but.
31:37
I mean, sorry, I was on a phone call.
31:40
All right, all right. You don't have to tell anybody
31:42
that. Go ahead.
31:44
Nobody cares. All right, stop.
31:46
Stop. Adrian Peterson moving on to
31:49
Jabba. I'm.
31:50
Going to go Jim Brown. I'm going to go Jim Brown
31:53
because of what he's accomplished and people don't
31:56
understand too. He was a champion in 64, most
32:02
valued player three times. Also, they don't understand that
32:06
he was literally one of the best lacrosse players ever too at the
32:10
University of Syracuse and what he did is absolutely amazing.
32:16
Eight time first team, All pro like Jim Brown has to be there.
32:22
All right, Tommy. I am going with Marshall Faulk.
32:25
Marshall Faulk a three time, yeah, three time in a row
32:29
Offensive player of the year, one time being an NFLMVP.
32:34
The man was phenomenal. He was very, very much a key
32:36
piece into that Saint Louis team and very, very, like I said, a
32:40
key piece. And just overall reinventing
32:42
that team and getting them to a Super Bowl.
32:44
And Marshall folk just dominant running back in the early, early
32:48
2000s, early or late 90s. So go Marshall.
32:51
Folk yeah, I think give me one, give me one running back of that
32:55
you would think is one of the greatest of all time.
32:58
I'm going to go with my I'm going to go with my guy Emma
33:00
Smith, obviously, three times Super Bowl champion, Most
33:05
Valuable Player 14 first time all pro 8 time Pro Bowl.
33:09
I'm, I'm going Emma Smith, man, one of the best.
33:12
Whatever to do to do it. All right, Speedy, give me your
33:14
final. One, all right, last one, I'm
33:15
going to go with Curtis Martin. Curtis Martin, one of the best
33:18
running backs, late 90s, early 2000s with The Jets, steady with
33:21
The Jets for a while with Bill Parcells there and all the
33:23
different coaching and quarterback turnover that they
33:25
had over there. Very consistent year to year.
33:27
Very efficient runner as well and a fantastic skill set as
33:31
well. I'm going to go with a screwball
33:33
because Nathan stole my pick. Of course he did.
33:37
I'll go with someone who didn't play to normally have these
33:40
stats and normally you wouldn't mention him if he wasn't the
33:44
greatest anyone's ever seen do it.
33:46
It was Bo Jackson. Bo Jackson, the most impressive
33:49
running back. Most people I've ever seen.
33:52
Bo over the top is still something people I remember over
33:57
the top is a phrase that is coined that he created when he
34:01
was a running back in college. He is one of the most powerful
34:05
and impressive athletes we've ever seen in multiple sports,
34:08
but especially on the football field at running back Bo
34:11
Jackson, Jabba Jabba I'm. Going to go Earl Campbell.
34:17
I'm going to go Earl Campbell in, in the fact of kind of what
34:20
he presented in the way he did it.
34:24
You know, obviously playing at Texas, won the Heisman unanimous
34:28
All American, obviously Most Valuable Player in 79.
34:32
I he, he ran that was like the big pads when that was like when
34:37
it started happening. And Earl Campbell was an
34:40
absolute monster. All right, Tommy finishes up.
34:44
I'm going with Eric Dickerson. Not really.
34:47
Just one of the best running backs of all time, one of the
34:51
honestly very unfortunate that he didn't get the most playoff
34:54
success, which is why, you know, he'd unfortunately didn't get
34:58
himself a ring. But however Mr. Eric Dickerson
35:01
is going to be, you know, it's going to be up there for me #3.
35:06
All right, Errol, make your choice.
35:09
Who moves on to the joust? All right, I I got speedy.
35:13
Definitely Speedy's definitely the the guy.
35:16
And like I told you, fish, I like your I like the the three
35:19
guys you picked, but you're hosting it, so I can't really
35:22
have you move on. If if you were to ask me right
35:24
now, I would pick you second. I think you had the second best
35:26
team. So, but I'm going to go with
35:28
Jabba. All right, Speedy and Jabba,
35:30
move on. I'll take that compliment from
35:33
His Highness in this game and move forwards.
35:36
Everyone else, you are eliminated.
35:38
Tommy and Nathan, thanks for playing.
35:40
You guys could pop off to the backstage.
35:43
Moving on. By the by the way, I just want
35:45
to, I want to give a shout out. By the way, Jim Brown is the
35:48
greatest. Him and Barry Sanders are the 2
35:50
greatest running backs of all time then I would say.
35:53
Walt I didn't pick Jim Brown myself.
35:55
And then Walter so. Yeah, Hayden, Yeah, three top
35:58
three. Yeah, that's pretty good.
36:01
All right, so. Jim Thorpe, too.
36:03
He was great. He was a great running back.
36:05
Second round, the joust. This one's a fun one.
36:09
Best special teams players of all time?
36:13
This could be kickers, punters, return men, Gunners, I guess if
36:19
you want to include them. I don't think anyone's doing
36:21
that, but you could. So any special teams guys at
36:26
all? Top three Let's leave it off
36:30
with a king. Who goes first King?
36:32
I'm going to go Java. Oh, I got to go Devin Hester.
36:39
Yeah, I got to go Devin Hester with with the fact of his
36:44
returns on punts and kickoffs and having the most returns for
36:51
touchdowns that hasn't even been touched, which I don't think
36:54
it'll ever be touched now with the way they've changed the
36:56
rules. And I think that's just one
36:59
that'll never be touched ever again.
37:02
Godspeed. All right, I'll take Adam
37:03
Vinatieri for this. Obviously clutch kicker.
37:06
Great longevity, too, even after his career with the Patriots,
37:08
obviously doing it with the Colts, resurrecting after the
37:10
Mike Vanderjack debacle in the playoffs, resurrecting that
37:13
team, winning a Super Bowl there.
37:14
And then even later on, too, later in his career with the
37:17
Colts, when Andrew Luck was there, he still had some really
37:19
good numbers, top 10 numbers for kickers even at almost 40 years
37:22
old. So got to go with Vinatieri.
37:24
Back to Java. We're going to go Justin Tucker,
37:28
obviously, whether he's he's in the massage room or not, doesn't
37:32
matter what he did on the field. We don't care about that.
37:34
But his numbers speak for themselves and how his longevity
37:38
and everything Haiti did, you know, longest field goal and
37:42
everything that he's done. Justin Tucker is in the
37:45
conversation. I'll go with a, I'll go with a
37:47
different returner, Dante Hall. Another one, early 2000's, the
37:50
Kansas City Chiefs that was very electric a little before Devin
37:53
Hester. Not as good as Devin Hester
37:54
overall, but still very shifty. Great return guy, great speed
37:58
and agility. Then was very fun to watch.
38:00
I only got to see him kind of later in his career, but one of
38:02
the most electric guys. Yeah, the human joystick.
38:07
Back to Jabba. And I'm, I'm going to I'm kind
38:10
of kind of sway this because it's, it's a little different.
38:13
I'm going to go Pat McAfee because of what he's done, not
38:18
only on the field to how he made that position kind of sexy and
38:23
what he did and, you know, blowing guys up on the sidelines
38:28
and just having that personality.
38:30
I think he made special teams sexy.
38:33
And I think that's that is a value that we look at.
38:36
And I love my guy from Seward NE and Sam Coke who punted forever,
38:41
but it's not as sexy as what Pat McAfee did.
38:45
All right, I'll round it out with a very another very good
38:47
long distance kicker as well. Sebastian Janikowski, one of the
38:50
few kickers that were drafted in the first round, had a great
38:51
career with the Raiders too long distance.
38:54
I think it had like 560 yard field goals before, like now
38:57
everyone's doing it. I think he really was like, the
39:00
Raiders were a terrible team, but like, you're always like,
39:02
oh, could Janikowski set another record break another record?
39:05
Because he had the longest one for a while until Matt Prater, I
39:08
believe, was the one that broke it at 64 and then Tucker.
39:10
Broke it in Denver. Yes, and like he got to kick in
39:13
the altitude. He's Josh Jankowski is taking
39:15
out a freaking baseball field. A lot of his career, like in
39:18
Oakland and the Oakland Coliseum too, which I think made it very
39:20
impressive as a whole making those kicks that long, a lefty
39:23
kick or two, you don't see a lot of those either.
39:25
So I'm going to go Janikowski to round it out.
39:28
All right, Errol. You forgot Slater, by the way.
39:31
Play for the Patriots. Just.
39:33
So you guys forgot Ray Guy, the only punter in the Hall of Fame
39:37
as. Well, yeah, Slater has been the
39:39
best special teams guy over the last 10 years.
39:42
He just retired, so I'm going to go with Speedy.
39:46
I, I, I, I, I would not put Pat McAfee there at all.
39:49
I, I mean, I understand he's sexy, but not sexy enough to be
39:53
the greatest, one of the greatest special teams guys of
39:55
all time. Just my.
39:57
Opinion. All right, so this is what we're
39:59
going to do now. I'm going to bring everybody
40:00
back in and we're going to put you down below over here
40:07
perfectly just like this. If it looks so good in that
40:09
little shot on this phone, the. Voters to see if the king stays
40:14
the king or not, let's show the. Speedy beat his ass.
40:19
Beat his ass, Speedy. Let's go.
40:21
You can do it. Let's go, speedy, Let's go.
40:26
All right, nice words of encouragement, Nathan.
40:29
Here we go. Round three take on the King.
40:33
What's the topic? Best coaches in NFL?
40:38
History. That's a good one.
40:40
Best coaches Same rules apply. The king chooses if he wants to
40:47
go first or second. Well, I'm going to go first
40:50
because I have to go. Bill Belichick, the greatest
40:54
coach of all time, no questions, 6 championships.
40:58
Yes, he had Tom Brady, but what he did with the Patriots and,
41:01
and really he went from the Browns, who he never won with
41:04
the Browns. Then he was a, a defensive
41:06
corner. He won two titles with the he
41:09
won two titles with the Giants. Just think about it.
41:11
He's won eight rings, eight rings as a coach, as a defensive
41:15
and and obviously a quarterback coach with the New York Giants.
41:19
And then he goes to The Jets. He works under Bill Parcells,
41:22
one of the one of the greats, no question.
41:24
And then Bill Belichick makes a name for himself all the way
41:26
with the New England Patriots, winning six titles.
41:29
He's the one who drafted the great Tom Brady.
41:31
He's the one that really, I mean, the AFC East was won by
41:35
the Patriots for like 21 years. I mean, the dominance of Bill
41:39
Belichick can't be, you know, can't be spoiled Bill Belichick.
41:42
I'll take Don Shula is my first one winning his coach right now
41:44
in NFL history. Also coach some great
41:46
quarterbacks, obviously Dan Marino and Johnny Unites, but
41:48
Johnny unites like a great longevity moving from the end of
41:52
the Baltimore and the end of the tenure into Indianapolis too and
41:55
then Miami too, coaching in Miami with Dan Marino after the
41:59
and obviously the perfect season.
42:00
You have to you have to mention the perfect season with the 72
42:03
Dolphins are the only team to ever achieve it.
42:04
That great defense that they had probably coached.
42:07
I would say at least 30 Hall of Farmers on between those two
42:10
teams. So I would go down Shula as my
42:12
first one. Errol.
42:14
Vince Lombardi, Lombardi Trophy, Green Bay Packers from 1959 to
42:20
6067. I mean, six division titles,
42:24
three NFL championships, Coach Bart Starr, some of the greatest
42:28
teams we've ever seen and one of the greatest minds the NFL has
42:32
ever seen. I mean, everybody keeps talking
42:34
about the Green Bay Packers and all the great quarterbacks they
42:36
had. Well, this guy was the greatest
42:38
mind in Packers history. He really redefined the coaching
42:43
position and everybody was trying to catch up to Lombardi,
42:47
and Lombardi was the greatest until Bill Belichick taking that
42:50
spot. So I'm going the one and only.
42:52
That's Lombardi all. Right, I'll take for my second
42:54
one. I'll take Bill Walsh, one of the
42:56
offensive innovators in this game.
42:57
A lot of the West Coast concepts that are used by Andy Reid and
43:00
other great coaches in today's game.
43:02
Bill Walsh was the guy that pioneered it, obviously doing
43:03
with two different quarterbacks with Joe Montana, then with
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Steve Young, Jerry Rice, the greatest receiver of all time,
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arguably the greatest football player of all time and adjusted
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as well from the pre salary cap there into the salary cap era
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too. And still putting together.
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There's some contenders with the Niners as well, winning the
43:18
Super Bowl in 95 when they got Deion Sanders.
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And so I going to go Bill Walsh on this one.
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One of the more innovative coaches.
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My final one is got to go. I know everybody's going to look
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at this, but Bill Parsells, Bill Parsells, I mean, the tree that
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he has had. Just think about it.
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Tom Coughlin, Bill Belichick, Sean Payton, you name the trees,
43:42
probably the greatest tree in NFL history.
43:44
Go look at the championships. It doesn't lie to championships
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with the Giants. Everywhere he's gone, go look at
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the defensive players that he has drafted, their all time
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greats. The guy is one of the greatest
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defensive minds of all time. He really redefined the
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defensive, the defensive head coach, quarterback type of
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leader in and what he did over there with the New York Giants
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and then everywhere he went, Dallas Jets.
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Go look at the teams in the very short time he turned those teams
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into playoffs and championship contending teams.
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But he never stayed there long enough to win titles in those
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places. But I absolutely believe he's in
44:19
my top three. Bill Parcells.
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All right, the last one I'll take is Chuck Knoll winning 4
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Super Super Bowls with the Steelers resurrecting that team.
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They were a poverty franchise for a while.
44:29
In the first like probably 30 years of their existence, they
44:31
had the hybrid team with the Eagles.
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They were terrible up until that 70s dynasty and arguably a lot
44:35
of the greatest teams ever both on offense and defense.
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The Steel Curtain with some Hall of Famers on that, obviously,
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Terry Bradshaw, Lynn Swan, John Stallworth, Hall of Fame guys,
44:43
Franco Harris, rest in peace. Franco Harris, arguably the
44:47
greatest, one of the greatest teams ever.
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Probably that 76 season might have been the greatest team on
44:52
paper with that Steel Curtain defense all around.
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Another guy that probably coached 30.
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Hall of Fame, stop, stop, in terms of it all around.
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Greatest Teams. In terms of an all around
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statistical and talent driven team, you could definitely make
45:04
that case with that 76 stop. Using your analytics on some
45:08
some such lies man, such lies. All right, so we have Errol with
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Belichick, Lombardi and Parcells and Speedy with Don Shula, the
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Walsh and Chuck Knoll. All right, I'm going with Errol.
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That's exactly the top three. I I think I would have probably
45:27
had those two at the top two. I thought it was either between
45:31
Parcells or Walsh for three. And I I just remember certain
45:36
game where Parcells handed it to Walsh pretty well.
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So I would have went with him over him.
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So I'm going with Errol in this one.
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Let's go to Tommy with your Oh, Jabba, you're back, Jabba.
45:47
I you know what? I I want to go with Speedy
45:51
because I want Arrow to lose everything, but Lombardi has to
45:58
be in there like that. That is, and love Speedy's
46:02
analytics on everything. But I think exactly the three
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that Errol had. Like I, I love Speedy's in in
46:11
how he created a concept. But Errol, I hate to admit this
46:17
and I'm going to give you, but this, this one, you, you
46:20
actually, I was proud of you. I was proud of you on this one,
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bud. All right, so 2 votes to none,
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Tommy. Yeah, I'm a go with Arrow
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Speedy. You're analytical with the
46:29
coaches or of course top notch with with everything that you
46:32
put down in front of me. And I do of course agree with
46:34
you on a lot of things what you said with Chuck Noel and Don
46:37
Shula. But it's really hard to agree,
46:39
disagree that Vince Lombardi and Belichick aren't the number one
46:42
and 2 when it comes to head coaches.
46:44
So I'm at the Otheiro. Alright, Errol, guess what that
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means you don't have to hear from.
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This. Oh, come on.
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No, Nathan. What do you think, Nathan?
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Arrow. I was gonna, I'm gonna pick an
46:56
arrow. So it's a clean sweep.
46:58
Man, a clean sweep, Speedy, you keep taking your shots at the
47:02
king and you keep. Coming up, I like I like facing
47:06
off with speedy, but the fact that he had the nerve to say
47:09
that that 76 Pittsburgh team was one of the greatest of all
47:12
That's a that's a joke. That's not true.
47:14
Not a not true at all. Not true.
47:17
I would, I wouldn't. I wouldn't go that far.
47:20
One of the greatest teams of all time, I mean.
47:23
They're, I mean, they're in the conversation.
47:26
Maybe the tail end of maybe 10 or 11.
47:29
There were a lot of. Great teams in the conversation.
47:32
There were a lot of great teams, man, a lot of great teams.
47:35
I don't know. I mean, you can, I guess if you
47:38
want to argue it. I, I listen, I'm not taking
47:40
shots at speedy. I I mean, if if that's what he
47:43
thinks, that's what he thinks. I disagree.
47:47
If if people would ask me, but that's.
47:48
Just I think that there were a couple at Walsh had better
47:51
teams, shoeless 72 team was better.
47:54
So I, I just think even in that era, those errors, I think there
47:58
were better teams. Obviously the Steelers
48:00
dominated, you know, throughout the decade, Terry.
48:03
Bradshaw is one of the most overrated quarterbacks of all.
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Well, I mean, I I would say they try.
48:09
They kind of opened up the offense in a way that other
48:12
teams weren't doing back in that 70s era and at the same time had
48:16
a better defense than everybody. So when they got a lead on you,
48:20
it was very difficult and they were airing it out to get a lead
48:23
on you. So it was a pretty good strategy
48:24
for back in those days. But that's when you when you had
48:27
the past Pocketers too. Like it different, different
48:29
quality. Yeah.
48:30
I mean it was obviously very different, but like if for as
48:32
far as those days that's. What I love, I love, I love
48:35
speedies on the West Coast offense and, and, and what he
48:38
presented, it's just like this. He had to go that way.
48:42
He had to. I was wondering.
48:43
If anyone was going to say Andy Reid, to be honest with you, no,
48:46
he's climbing that. He's climbing, he's got to win.
48:49
Not yet, Not yet. He's got to win another title if
48:51
he wins another. He's got to win.
48:52
One, he's got the refs on his side.
48:53
One. More.
48:54
One more then you got to. You put him up there.
48:56
One more. That's 4 championships in the
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time. He's in there if he wins one
49:00
more for sure. If he wins one more as quick as
49:03
he has, I would put him there in the top three 100%.
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