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Credlin | 10 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kreenlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. I'm Caleb Bond filling in for Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on the show tonight. Further fallout
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Speaker 2: from labor as they try to walk both sides of
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Speaker 2: the road on the Middle East. I'll speak to an
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Speaker 2: expert about why this is doing nothing but serving terrorists
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Speaker 2: abroad and creating further unrest here at home. The new
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Speaker 2: guidebook for judges that says they should be more trauma
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Speaker 2: informed when dealing with Indigenous defendants. Whatever happened to us
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Speaker 2: all being equal before the law? Plus Peter might not
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Speaker 2: be here, but I'll have her sit down interview with
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Speaker 2: former pms Liz Truss and Tony Abbott on what the
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Speaker 2: right needs to do to wrestle back control of our
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Speaker 2: institutions from the left and serious accusations leveled against the
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Speaker 2: Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles and his office, with his
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Speaker 2: chief of staff calling out bullying, demanding Males and the
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Speaker 2: PM hold people to account.
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Speaker 3: It was a job that I dreamed of having since
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Speaker 3: I first visited Parliament House as a child. I know
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Speaker 3: it won't be long now before I am bullied out
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Speaker 3: of this place completely.
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Speaker 2: Now. There were plenty of people in the Labour Party
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Speaker 2: glad to see the back of Daniel Andrews when he
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Speaker 2: resigned as premier a year ago. There were certainly plenty
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Speaker 2: of people in Victoria glad to see him go, and
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Speaker 2: I suspect some in the party woke up this morning
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Speaker 2: ruing the day they ever put him in charge. For
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Speaker 2: the first time in seven years, the Coalition is ahead
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Speaker 2: of Labor in Victoria. This is from a Redbridge pole
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Speaker 2: in the Herald Sun today. Even with everything oppositionally to
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Speaker 2: John Pursuito is going through at the moment being sued
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Speaker 2: for defamation by Moi redeeming who he expelled from the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party, the Coalition has inched ahead fifty one to
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Speaker 2: forty nine two party preferred. Labour's primary is down to
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Speaker 2: thirty percent, which is seven percent lower than it was
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Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty two election, and the Coalitions is
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Speaker 2: forty percent, which is up from thirty four and a
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Speaker 2: half percent. This was Deputy Victorian Premier Ben Carroll's response.
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Speaker 4: Today, Jacinti Allie's doing a outstanding job. She's working hard.
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Speaker 4: The whole cabinet are working hard. Unlike the opposition that
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Speaker 4: are talking about themselves every day.
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Speaker 2: Maybe so, but they're beating you. Now. The problem for
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Speaker 2: Jacinta Allen is that she isn't Daniel Andrews. She can't be,
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Speaker 2: and she never will be. As I've said many times before,
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews is one of the best politicians this country
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Speaker 2: has ever seen. Not because his policies were good or
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Speaker 2: because he was good for Victoria quite the opposite, really,
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Speaker 2: but because he was exceptional at centralizing and holding on
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Speaker 2: to power. His department ran the show. He forced colleagues
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Speaker 2: to join his faction. He froze out other people in
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Speaker 2: labor who didn't play ball and force them out of
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Speaker 2: their seats at pre selection. He was a thug, no doubt,
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Speaker 2: but it was an effective strategy. His style of politics
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Speaker 2: was bullying, an iron fist rule, but he knew exactly
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Speaker 2: what he was doing and you can't argue that it
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Speaker 2: didn't work for his government. I mean, even after he
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Speaker 2: made Melbourne the most lockdown city in the world during
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Speaker 2: COVID and killed up team businesses and sent out the
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Speaker 2: police to far at people who protested against him. They
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Speaker 2: were returned in twenty twenty two with an extra seat,
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Speaker 2: but Alan just doesn't have that ability and now she's
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Speaker 2: starting to pay for everything that Andrews did. The numbers
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Speaker 2: have plummeted from fifty five to forty five Labour's way
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Speaker 2: in June to fifty one forty nine the Coalition's way. Now,
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Speaker 2: that is a huge fall. Redbridge co director and former
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Speaker 2: Labour strategist Cosed Samaris told The Herald Son that surprise, surprise,
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Speaker 2: the cost of living was the main cause of Labour's
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Speaker 2: support going down the toilet. He said failure to address
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Speaker 2: this will likely result in significant electoral losses in Melbourne's
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Speaker 2: southeast and western suburbs, potentially mirroring the substantial swings against
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Speaker 2: Labor in the twenty twenty two Victorian state election. In
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Speaker 2: that election, many previously safe Labour seats experienced primary vote
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Speaker 2: swings exceeding fifteen percent. In twenty twenty six, that's when
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Speaker 2: the next state election is Many of these Labor in
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Speaker 2: pas no longer have fat margins to protect them from
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Speaker 2: what could be an even larger backlash. The strategy employed
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Speaker 2: by the Victorian Labor government since twenty fourteen, which largely
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Speaker 2: disregarded its based base, sorry, is no longer tenable. The
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Speaker 2: political repercussions of this approach are now unavoidable, and in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six the number of seats that they will
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Speaker 2: need may compromise half the labor caucus. I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: scary stuff for labor. This is the legacy of the
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Speaker 2: bully Daniel Andrews. And of course he left a woman
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Speaker 2: to clean up, and she's simply not up to the job.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure anyone would be up to the job,
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Speaker 2: to be perfectly honest, He's destroyed the books. Debt is
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Speaker 2: set to hit one hundred and eighty eight billion dollars
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Speaker 2: by twenty twenty eight. Spending on things like the suburban
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Speaker 2: rail loop of effectively bankrupted the state. As I said before,
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Speaker 2: he made Melbourne the most lockdown city in the world.
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Speaker 2: A generation of children were set back because they were
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Speaker 2: locked out of school, businesses were killed. He ended native
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Speaker 2: forest logging in Victoria, which was part of his clear
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Speaker 2: disdain for regional victorians. Same goes for the Commonwealth Games
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Speaker 2: he secured before the twenty twenty two election that was
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Speaker 2: meant to be staged around the regions, which he of
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Speaker 2: course canceled after winning the election. He didn't need those
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Speaker 2: regional votes anymore, and on and on it goes Andrews
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Speaker 2: did it and now Allen can't defend it. But this
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Speaker 2: should be a wake up called for the Victorian Coalition.
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Speaker 2: Two years into their third term. This government is cooked
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Speaker 2: and in two years time you that is the coalition
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Speaker 2: should be in the box seat to win government. But
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Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to do with John Pursuto
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Speaker 2: as leader. The party needs to pull its finger out
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Speaker 2: and replace him now, so they have two clear years
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Speaker 2: running up to the next election. Now. I'm sure Pursudo
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Speaker 2: would point to the polling numbers today and the fact
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Speaker 2: that they've come while he's in the middle of a
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Speaker 2: deformation trial and say that it proves that he should
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Speaker 2: remain leader because no one cares what's going on between
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Speaker 2: him and MOI redeeming. Perhaps in fact, no one cares
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Speaker 2: about him at all. You know much about John Persudo? Nah,
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Speaker 2: I have no idea who he is? John who? Yeah? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you don't hear much about him? So, yeah, I think
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of them when they're in opposition and whatever,
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Speaker 2: they just hide in the background. I don't know much
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Speaker 2: about him. Is he local or.
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Speaker 5: He's the state opposition leader?
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Speaker 3: Would you believe Yeah, I probably wouldn't like him precudo,
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Speaker 3: Yeah I have heard of him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like him. Fantastic, isn't It's be real.
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Speaker 2: The deformation trial is currently a side show. It's interesting
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Speaker 2: to you and me because we love politics. We love
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Speaker 2: this stuff. I mean, why what scripted drama when you
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Speaker 2: can tune into sky News every night and find out
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Speaker 2: the latest salacious details. But the majority of Victorians probably
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Speaker 2: aren't all that invested. They didn't participate in that poll
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Speaker 2: thinking about Deeming versus Pursuito. But it will be a
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Speaker 2: very different story in two years time when they're in
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Speaker 2: an election campaign. The evidence that has come out of
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Speaker 2: this defamation trial is perfect campaign fodder for the government.
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Speaker 2: I mean, liberal front benches gave evidence against their own
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Speaker 2: leader in court. Pursuito gave the names of MPs who
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Speaker 2: prepared AffA Davids for Deming to form a premier Jeff Kennett,
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Speaker 2: and those names then ended up in the Financial Review.
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Speaker 2: The paper quoted kennet Is saying, I am aware that
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Speaker 2: there are a number of people in the party who
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Speaker 2: have issued affidavits fundamentally in support of MOI redeeming. I'm
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Speaker 2: very pleased this case is going ahead so the public
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Speaker 2: and the party can identify those people and who they
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Speaker 2: are who have being disloyal and perhaps even treacherous. And
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Speaker 2: of course we learned of David Southwick secretly recording the
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Speaker 2: meeting between him, Pursuito, Georgie Crozier and Deeming before she
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Speaker 2: was told her position in the party was untenable. All
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Speaker 2: of that, every quote critical of Pursuito uttered by someone
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Speaker 2: from the Liberal Party will be used in Labor campaign material.
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Speaker 2: The message will be this slot don't even trust their leader,
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Speaker 2: so why should you? Why would you hand Labor a
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Speaker 2: free kick like that? Now, the push to replace Pursuito
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Speaker 2: is on a block of the party believe they have
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Speaker 2: the numbers to get rid of him, but in true
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Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal Party style, the whole thing could be dead
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Speaker 2: in the water because they can't decide on a new leader.
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Speaker 2: The Herald Sun reported today that the biggest obstacle to
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Speaker 2: change is that pockets of supporters form behind different potential leaders.
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Speaker 2: It means a planned motion of no confidence that was
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Speaker 2: to be moved when MPs meet a head of Parliament
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Speaker 2: on Tuesday was likely to fail because most MPs wouldn't
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Speaker 2: vote down mister Pursuto's leadership without knowing who might replace him.
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Speaker 2: I mean, for heaven's sake, the Liberal Party needs to
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Speaker 2: get as you know what together. Spending potentially months fighting
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Speaker 2: over who could replace Pursuito would be just as bad
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Speaker 2: as letting him lead the party to an election. He
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Speaker 2: needs to go, and he needs to go now, along
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Speaker 2: with his leadership team. Clean the joint out, you unite
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Speaker 2: behind a new leader and go hammer and tongs into
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Speaker 2: the next election. I mean, Victorians are begging for an
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Speaker 2: opposition that they can actually believe in, that they could
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Speaker 2: actually see being a government. Plenty of people didn't like
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews, but they couldn't see a real alternative in
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Speaker 2: the opposition two years ago. To give them that alternative.
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Speaker 2: But if they can't punt Pursuito, wipe the slate clean
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Speaker 2: and hit the ground running now while their numbers are up,
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Speaker 2: then they'll just cough up government again. Let's head to
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Speaker 2: Canberra now for tonight's political headlines with skyn New's political
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Speaker 2: reporter Truty Macintosh.
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Speaker 6: One of the Albanezy government's most senior female staffers claim
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Speaker 6: she was effectively bullied out of her job chief of
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Speaker 6: staff to Richard Miles. Joe Torneski alleges she was frozen
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Speaker 6: out earlier this year after escalating bullying claims to her boss.
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Speaker 6: Those accusations not directed at the Minister himself, but rather
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Speaker 6: unnamed staff within his office.
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Speaker 3: I am being bullied out of a job I loved.
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Speaker 3: I am the most seniors female chief of staff on
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Speaker 3: the hill and my workplace is not safe.
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Speaker 7: Effectively, she's.
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Speaker 2: She's a messenger who's been shot.
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Speaker 6: The allegations have been disputed by a spokesperson for the minister.
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Speaker 6: In question time, Richard Marle insisted his office is a
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Speaker 6: safe workplace.
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Speaker 5: In this moment, I feel deeply sad that events have
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Speaker 5: got to where they have.
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Speaker 2: This is obviously very difficult.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister is in Lao, meeting with China's Premiere
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Speaker 6: on the sidelines of the Asian Summit, a breakthrough on
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Speaker 6: the last of the Chinese trade sanctions.
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Speaker 4: I'm pleased to announce that Premier Lee and I have
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Speaker 4: agreed on a timetable to resume full lobs to trade
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Speaker 4: by the end of this year.
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Speaker 6: Australia also raised China's aggression in the South China Sea
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Speaker 6: and two labor premiers combined to find ways to tackle
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Speaker 6: the harms of social media on children. Chris Mins and
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Speaker 6: Peter malanowskis holding a joint summit on the agenda how
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Speaker 6: to enforce age limits on social media.
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Speaker 8: We don't allow third and fourteen year olds to get
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Speaker 8: a sports better account. If those companies can put age
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Speaker 8: restrictions in place and stop the widespread use on gambling apps,
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Speaker 8: then certainly social media companies can as well.
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Speaker 6: And Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into the day's big stories. I'm joined by
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Speaker 2: Deputy Executive Director of the Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel Wilde,
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Speaker 2: and senior writer and columnist at The Herald Son Patrick Carline. Gentlemen, welcome, Daniel.
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Speaker 2: I was going to congratulate you on moving back to
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Speaker 2: Adelaide as you have recently, but you're in Melbourne tonight,
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Speaker 2: so you've ruined the opportunity for me. Mate.
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Speaker 9: I'm just trying to chase you around the country, Cali.
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Speaker 9: We'll be up in Sydney next. I'll be in the
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Speaker 9: studio next time you see me there.
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Speaker 2: I reckon, I'll see you up here in a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks. Now, let's start with that story that we
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Speaker 2: heard with Trudy. There another blow for the Labor Party
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Speaker 2: today the chief of staff of the Deputy Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Richard Miles, Joe Tanowski. She claims that she was pushed
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Speaker 2: out of her dream job. She's dreamt about it since childhood,
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Speaker 2: she said, after raising concerns of bullying behavior within the office. Now, Daniel,
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Speaker 2: we should note that a spokesperson for mister Males said
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Speaker 2: that they have disputed Miss Tarnowski's account of the situation.
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Speaker 2: But it's not a good look for the Labor government
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Speaker 2: to have accusations of bullying within one of the highest
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Speaker 2: officers in the government.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's right. These are very serious allegations. They need
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Speaker 9: to be taken seriously. I imagine there'll be an investigation into
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Speaker 9: these allegations. Now, my understanding is the allegations aren't made
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Speaker 9: in relation to the Deputy Prime Minister himself, but his
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Speaker 9: office or others within his office. But of course the
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Speaker 9: buck has to stop at the buck stops at the top,
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Speaker 9: and it stops with Richard Miles. So he is the
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Speaker 9: one that needs to deal with this situation. And I
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Speaker 9: hope this is taken seriously and not politicized. The other
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Speaker 9: point i'd mate kleeb Is. Of course, imagine if the
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Speaker 9: sheoe was on the other foot. Imagine if this was
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Speaker 9: occurring in the opposition benches, whether it was Peter Dutton
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Speaker 9: or a senior member of the Coalition staff, you can
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Speaker 9: imagine there'd be a very very different reaction from the media.
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Speaker 9: I guarantee you Peter Dutton's head to be on the
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Speaker 9: chopping block from the usual suspects. So I think what
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Speaker 9: Australians want to see is these serious issues being taken
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Speaker 9: with the impartiality in fairness that we all expect.
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Speaker 2: Correct And I did note, of course, a few people
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Speaker 2: today and I think there were two questions about it
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Speaker 2: in question Time and those from the opposition who've been
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Speaker 2: interviewed about it on the channel today have been very
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Speaker 2: reticent to go too hard on it, and that's probably
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Speaker 2: fair to some degree. They are on the allegations at
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Speaker 2: the moment. But something tells me if the shoe was
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Speaker 2: on the other foot, you wouldn't get quite so much grace.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about these polling numbers in Victoria. Obviously I
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Speaker 2: talked about it at the top of the show. Despite
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Speaker 2: all the drama, the legal drama around John pursuito. At
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Speaker 2: the moment, the Liberals have overtaken Labor for the first
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Speaker 2: time in almost seven years in the polls in Victoria
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Speaker 2: fifty one to forty nine. The Coen coalition now leads
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Speaker 2: that the Allen government. It's also twelve months of course,
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Speaker 2: since j Ciner Allen took over as Premier. Patrick Persudo
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Speaker 2: could still face a leadership challenge, though the reporting today
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Speaker 2: is that perhaps they can't even manage that because the
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Speaker 2: Libs can't decide on who they would want to replace him.
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Speaker 2: I wonder what you make of what I said before,
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Speaker 2: which is basically, look for the best chance of forming
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Speaker 2: government in two years time, they need a clean slate,
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Speaker 2: get rid of PURSUITO, unite behind someone new and go
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Speaker 2: gung ho because Jacinda Allen simply can't put up the
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Speaker 2: same sort of fight that Daniel Andrews could.
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Speaker 7: Look absolutely true, Caleb, I mean, Pasudo has had a
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Speaker 7: dreadful year embroiled in this defamation case. It's a massive
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Speaker 7: distraction for the Liberal Party and he has struggled and
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Speaker 7: there has been rumblings within the Liberal Party to replace him.
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Speaker 7: The problem is, if you're going to replace the leader,
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Speaker 7: you have to find somebody else who everyone can get behind,
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Speaker 7: and I'm not sure the Liberal Party in Victoria is
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Speaker 7: actually at that point at the moment. Look, the biggest
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Speaker 7: story I think from that opinion poll is the Allen government,
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Speaker 7: which in effect goes back to twenty fourteen and Dan
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Speaker 7: Andrews being elected premier. It absolutely stinks and on so
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Speaker 7: many levels, whether it's teacher shortages or rampaging dere or
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Speaker 7: just the potholes if you drive around Melbourne. I mean
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Speaker 7: they're not getting fixed because we can't afford it. This
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Speaker 7: government is in terrible state at the moment and Paceido's
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Speaker 7: had a bad year, but I think it has sort
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Speaker 7: of got lost in the fact that Victorians are suffering
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Speaker 7: for cost of living, for interest rates, for all these
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Speaker 7: tricks in new taxes from a very stale feeling government.
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Speaker 2: Well you might have potholes, Patrick, but you don't have
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Speaker 2: any level crossing. So you know, there's a lot to
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Speaker 2: thank Daniel Andrews for federal election on the cards. We
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Speaker 2: see in the Australian today that Labor has scheduled an
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Speaker 2: early federal budget for March twenty five in the draft
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Speaker 2: sitting calendar for next year and a campaign period for
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Speaker 2: a federal election is minimum of thirty three days, which
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Speaker 2: would take us through to May. So seems the government
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Speaker 2: is intending to go to a full term like they promised. Daniel.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 9: That does appear to be the case on the timeframe
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Speaker 9: that you've just outlined. Look, it doesn't surprise me because
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Speaker 9: you're not going to call an election while you're behind
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Speaker 9: and going backwards. So they'll look at the budget in
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Speaker 9: March as an opportunity, probably to throw a bunch of
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Speaker 9: cash at the electorate and try and buy them off.
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Speaker 9: Almost every single major indicator is working against the government.
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Speaker 9: They're probably holding out hope for a Nitius rate cut.
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Speaker 9: They're probably thinking, look, the longer we wait, the more
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Speaker 9: likely it is that the rates will go down rather
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Speaker 9: than up. But that's leaving it into the hands of
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Speaker 9: the gods or the RBA as it were. So when
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Speaker 9: you look at the situation that Australians face, the cost
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Speaker 9: of living going up, energy price is going up, We've
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Speaker 9: got this unplanned, uncontrolled mass migration program. Life is getting harder,
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Speaker 9: Australians are getting poorer, and I think the government is
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Speaker 9: realizing that the worm really has turned against them. I
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Speaker 9: think the Voice to Parliament. Defeat was really the beginning
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Speaker 9: of the end for the government. I think the Prime
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Speaker 9: Minister's performance on that night was terrible. He just further
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Speaker 9: divided the community, blaming Peter Dutton, blaming this information, and
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Speaker 9: it's only gotten worse since then. So it's not surprising
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Speaker 9: they're trying to hold out, you know, in desperation of
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Speaker 9: some positive economic news.
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Speaker 2: That's right. If they get an interest rate cut between
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Speaker 2: now and then, they'll be jumping up and down. If
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Speaker 2: they don't get one, it'll be a very different story.
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Speaker 2: We saw yesterday Fatima Payman announced the launch of her
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Speaker 2: new quote unquote centrist political party. As she's calling it,
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Speaker 2: Australia's Voice reminds you a little too much of the Voice.
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Speaker 2: But she appeared on seven point thirty on the ABC
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Speaker 2: last night and she refused to label the October seven
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Speaker 2: terror attack as terrorism.
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Speaker 10: Take a look yes today, in your view, were the
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Speaker 10: actions of Humas on that day an act of terrorism
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Speaker 10: or an act of resistance?
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Speaker 11: I think that that question really.
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Speaker 2: Not only ignores.
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Speaker 11: The seventy five seventy six years, but also reduces the
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Speaker 11: Palestinian plight, and we need to acknowledge that Palestinians and
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Speaker 11: now the Lebanese community are hurting, but so are the
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Speaker 11: Israeli communities.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Patrick, if that's the word of a centrism,
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Speaker 2: a monkey's uncle.
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Speaker 7: No, exactly right. Look, I found this launch yesterday quite strange.
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Speaker 7: It's so niche, isn't it. Firstly with the name, as
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Speaker 7: you pointed out, I mean, why would you call something
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Speaker 7: the Voice after six and ten people voted against the
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Speaker 7: Voice last year? It conflates the pro Palestine cause, if
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Speaker 7: you like, with the indigenous cause here in Australia, and
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Speaker 7: I think that tends to offend more people than the
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Speaker 7: unitement and Senator Payment talked about serving all Australians. Well,
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Speaker 7: such a niche little worldview that she seems to have
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Speaker 7: that has nothing to do with cost of living and
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Speaker 7: all the other really important day to day issues that
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Speaker 7: most of strands are struggling with at the moment. I
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Speaker 7: thought it was a very inauspicious start to a political part.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, A nice suspect she'll be a total failure, as
20:12
Speaker 2: she should be. Now, I think we all know how
20:14
Speaker 2: hard it is to get your hands on cash now
20:16
Speaker 2: in the bank branches are shouting, the ATMs are disappearing.
20:20
Speaker 2: Of course, a lot of people don't carry around a
20:22
Speaker 2: physical card anymore either, because you just put your card
20:25
Speaker 2: on your phone. So if you need to get cash out,
20:28
Speaker 2: some banks have a cardless cash thing where you can
20:31
Speaker 2: go on the app and they give you a code
20:33
Speaker 2: and then you go up to the ATM and you
20:34
Speaker 2: can pull the money out. But now Westpac says that
20:37
Speaker 2: they're going to get rid of their cardless cash service,
20:41
Speaker 2: and Daniel, they say it's because there is a falling
20:45
Speaker 2: demand for the service. Now, look, I understand that we
20:49
Speaker 2: might use cash less than we used to, but there
20:53
Speaker 2: is still a demand for cash. Surely the banks should
20:56
Speaker 2: in some way be compelled to make cash of a
21:00
Speaker 2: We secure the banks, the federal government secures the banks
21:03
Speaker 2: if things go wrong. Why don't we call that in
21:06
Speaker 2: for a bit of quid pro quo every now and again.
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Speaker 9: I completely agree cash is legal tender.
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Speaker 2: It should be readily available.
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Speaker 9: I mean I am uncomfortable with the fact also that
21:17
Speaker 9: so many cafes or retailers often only accept card these days.
21:21
Speaker 9: You know, it's basically a single point of failure. I
21:23
Speaker 9: don't think it's a smart thing for anyone, because what
21:25
Speaker 9: if the system goes down. We've seen that. Well, we
21:27
Speaker 9: still need to be able to transact. So cash has
21:30
Speaker 9: to be in our economy. The banks, as you say,
21:32
Speaker 9: should be compelled to provide it. But you know the
21:35
Speaker 9: banks that get so many things wrong, don't they so
21:37
Speaker 9: many things wrong. They try to divide us by race.
21:39
Speaker 9: They supported the Voice to Parliament. They refuse to lend
21:42
Speaker 9: to farmers or to cull fire power stations, which is
21:46
Speaker 9: causing energy bills to go up. Now they're saying to
21:47
Speaker 9: mainstream Australians, we're not going to give you cash if
21:50
Speaker 9: we live in the regions. You can't even get to
21:51
Speaker 9: an actual physical branch these days, with so many particularly
21:55
Speaker 9: the older generation, rely upon So look, I think that
21:58
Speaker 9: the banks need to be very careful with what they're
22:00
Speaker 9: doing here, and I think there's a lot to what
22:02
Speaker 9: you said that maybe the government has to step in
22:04
Speaker 9: and say, hey, no, it's your job to make sure
22:06
Speaker 9: cash is readily available to Australians who want to access
22:09
Speaker 9: it one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: Daniel Patrick, thank you for your time. I'll give you
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Speaker 2: a quick tip though, the government isn't going to do
22:15
Speaker 2: that because they want to be able to track where
22:17
Speaker 2: your money is going. And they can only do that
22:19
Speaker 2: if you're doing it on card. After the break, the
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Speaker 2: latest push to get our judiciary to go woke, plus
22:25
Speaker 2: why Labour's shifting stance on the Middle East is doing
22:27
Speaker 2: nothing but enabling around and its proxies while exacerbating tensions domestically,
22:32
Speaker 2: don't go away. Now. I thought we were all meant
22:39
Speaker 2: to be equaled before the law. But there's a new
22:41
Speaker 2: manual that's been issued to judges on how to handle
22:44
Speaker 2: cases involving racial or religious sensitivities. This manual was commissioned
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Speaker 2: by the New South Wales Judicial Watchdog and endorsed by
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Speaker 2: the Australasian Institute of Judicial Administration, and it explores the
22:57
Speaker 2: idea of therapeutic jurisprud which is the goal of reforming
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Speaker 2: the law so that it apparently has a positive impact
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Speaker 2: on the well being of defendants, but what about the
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Speaker 2: alleged victim's well being? Not to mention the fact that
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Speaker 2: this new manual reads more like a guard to being
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Speaker 2: woke than necessarily upholding basic legal principles. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: for his take, Director of Law and Policy at the
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Speaker 2: Institute of Public Affairs, John Story. Part of this calls
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Speaker 2: for judges to be quote trauma informed when dealing with
23:29
Speaker 2: Indigenous defendants, and consider the quote unquote pervasive intergenerational effects
23:36
Speaker 2: of settler colonialism. Now, you know, obviously a judge takes
23:41
Speaker 2: into account a number of different things in every individual
23:45
Speaker 2: case they deal with. But what the hell should suppose
23:49
Speaker 2: it intergenerational trauma and settler colonialism have to do with
23:54
Speaker 2: a criminal case being run in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Caleb, it's crazy. It's nothing short of different laws
24:05
Speaker 5: for different races. The first thing you learn at law
24:09
Speaker 5: school is that the law should be blind. But what
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Speaker 5: these practice guidelines require judges to look at is the
24:17
Speaker 5: racial ancestry of a defendant and whether their ancestors experienced
24:23
Speaker 5: dispossession and trauma. And this is the precisely the sort
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Speaker 5: of thing that some of us were warning about during
24:31
Speaker 5: the Voice referendum debate, that it would create a two
24:34
Speaker 5: tiered system in which different laws would apply depending on
24:39
Speaker 5: your ancestry. Now, Australians overwhelmingly rejected that proposal, but we're
24:44
Speaker 5: getting it through the back door via this judicial activism.
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Speaker 2: Does that mean, though you know, I don't know. Let's
24:50
Speaker 2: say you're Irish and can you argue that you should
24:54
Speaker 2: have dispensation because you went through racism and your family
24:59
Speaker 2: suffered in the troubles. If you're Indian, can you argue
25:03
Speaker 2: that you deserve special dispensation because the British rocked up
25:07
Speaker 2: and took over the joint? Like, how far does this
25:09
Speaker 2: stuff go? Well, it's crazy.
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Speaker 5: They only ever talk about one sort of trauma and
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Speaker 5: that's indigenous trauma. And if you read the document, it's
25:21
Speaker 5: really filled with pseudo scientific club trap. It talks about
25:26
Speaker 5: how trauma can be inherited through DNA and all this
25:30
Speaker 5: sort of thing. Look and our justice system is riddled
25:33
Speaker 5: with this kind of of thinking. The Love and Tom's
25:37
Speaker 5: case was a High Court decision which held that a
25:41
Speaker 5: New Zealand citizen with Aboriginal ancestry could not be deported
25:46
Speaker 5: from Australia despite being a convicted domestic abuser because Aboriginal
25:53
Speaker 5: people have a metaphysical connection to the land.
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Speaker 2: It's absurd.
25:58
Speaker 5: Whereas you know, as you said, Irish persons, what sort
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Speaker 5: of inherited trauma are they allowed to plead in the courts?
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Speaker 5: It would be thrown out of court as ridiculous, because
26:07
Speaker 5: it is ridiculous. People should be are charged on their
26:11
Speaker 5: individual actions.
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Speaker 2: Well, another part of this manual that seems frankly concerning
26:16
Speaker 2: and ridiculous. There's a lengthy section encouraging judges working in
26:20
Speaker 2: specialist courts to consider aspects of the Islamic faith that
26:25
Speaker 2: offer quote clear moral and ethical guidelines when ruling on
26:29
Speaker 2: cases that involve Muslim defendants. So are they now suggesting
26:34
Speaker 2: as well, that it's not only race that comes into
26:36
Speaker 2: this if you're Aboriginal, for instance, that now I don't know,
26:40
Speaker 2: do we rule on the basis of Sharia law if
26:43
Speaker 2: you're a Muslim.
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Speaker 7: I mean, we already see every weekend our society becoming
26:50
Speaker 7: more and more fractured with these endless protests, and now
26:54
Speaker 7: we're going to have laws that apply differently based on
26:58
Speaker 7: religion and ethnicity. Although if I was a member of
27:01
Speaker 7: the Muslim community, I would be deeply offended by the
27:04
Speaker 7: comments made in this document. It talks about how because
27:08
Speaker 7: of religious conviction, Muslims are compelled to react to world events.
27:13
Speaker 7: That's the wording they use, as if they have no
27:16
Speaker 7: agency over their own actions. I think it's quite offensive,
27:21
Speaker 7: but more importantly, it creates this two tiered society, and
27:25
Speaker 7: this is a real challenge for governments. We need to
27:29
Speaker 7: start addressing this sort of fracturing of society. It's bad
27:33
Speaker 7: enough that we see it on our streets, we don't
27:35
Speaker 7: want it in our courts.
27:37
Speaker 2: It's the bigotry of low expectations, is what it is.
27:39
Speaker 2: John Story, Thank you so much for your time. Now
27:42
Speaker 2: returning to what's dominated Parliament this week, and that, of
27:45
Speaker 2: course is Labour's shambolic approach when it comes to Israel
27:48
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. Not to mention that shameless political
27:51
Speaker 2: ploy from the PM with his October seven motion. Even yesterday,
27:55
Speaker 2: the PM couldn't give a clear answer on Israel's right
27:59
Speaker 2: to defend itself and if he was in lockstep with
28:02
Speaker 2: the US. To get a better understanding of just how
28:04
Speaker 2: much of a mess Labour's current duplicity is when it
28:07
Speaker 2: comes to the Middle East. My next guest has a
28:09
Speaker 2: PhD on war crimes law, having both taught and practiced
28:14
Speaker 2: as a legal advisor to Special Operations task groups in Afghanistan.
28:18
Speaker 2: Along with this, he served as a military police officer,
28:21
Speaker 2: having undertaken the same UN training that Israel is bound by.
28:25
Speaker 2: And he also happens to be a former Labor candidate.
28:29
Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say Glenn Kolomites joins me. Now, Glenn,
28:33
Speaker 2: we keep hearing calls for cease fire, you know, even
28:36
Speaker 2: for Israel to not target his militants or anything. And
28:41
Speaker 2: they've been attacked by hez Bla, they've been attacked by Iran.
28:45
Speaker 2: The PM is all over the shop. What sort of
28:49
Speaker 2: message is it's ending this far into the war when
28:52
Speaker 2: our government, a Western government, still can't seem to get
28:56
Speaker 2: its message straight.
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Speaker 12: It's sending caliber, sending a very message to Israel that
29:01
Speaker 12: we're not a particularly good ally. But I think more critically,
29:05
Speaker 12: it's sending a message to these terrorist groups, these Iran
29:09
Speaker 12: sponsored terrorist groups, that Australia is providing them strategic suckorse,
29:14
Speaker 12: strategic support almost by not openly and very publicly condemning
29:21
Speaker 12: them as terrorist organizations, and by calling on Israel to
29:26
Speaker 12: have a nonsensical cease fire in the middle of this
29:29
Speaker 12: multi front, multi frontal fight, a fight that Israel has
29:33
Speaker 12: undertaken on our behalf against these terrorist bodies.
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Speaker 2: Caleb.
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Speaker 12: So look, it's a very poor message right across the board,
29:40
Speaker 12: and it's disappointing, particularly now of Israel's in this fight,
29:44
Speaker 12: as I say, on multiple fronts.
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Speaker 2: As I said before you've done a PhD on the
29:49
Speaker 2: law around war crimes. Continually, one of the cries we
29:53
Speaker 2: hear at these rallies and protest tetra in support of
29:56
Speaker 2: Palestine is that Israel has committed war crimes. As someone
30:01
Speaker 2: who is an expert in this area, can you tell
30:04
Speaker 2: me what war crimes have or have not been committed?
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Speaker 8: Caleb.
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Speaker 12: I've had the benefit of also studying Israeli operations and indeed,
30:13
Speaker 12: Israel's compliance with international humanitarian law, and Israel.
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Speaker 1: Is very compliant.
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Speaker 12: It's very transparent, it's fighting in a very complex battle space,
30:24
Speaker 12: and it's transparent about the way it's doing its business,
30:28
Speaker 12: far more so than Australia has been. If we're going
30:30
Speaker 12: to be brutally frank, allegations of genocide are utterly nonsense.
30:37
Speaker 12: The numbers of civilian casualties, as tragic as they are,
30:43
Speaker 12: the intent to destroy any people is just not there.
30:48
Speaker 12: The intent is to defend Israel as a country against
30:53
Speaker 12: these multi frontal assaults by terrorist groups, and Israel is
30:57
Speaker 12: doing just that, exercising its inherent right of self defense.
31:00
Speaker 12: And we need to hear the Australian government coming out
31:03
Speaker 12: and saying just that.
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Speaker 2: The thing I really can't understand in the fight with
31:08
Speaker 2: Hezbollah at the moment, is that you've had calls from
31:11
Speaker 2: Australia and the US and other Western nations to achieve
31:15
Speaker 2: some kind of cease far or to put your guns
31:18
Speaker 2: down between Israel and Hesbelah. But of course the objective
31:22
Speaker 2: here is not to take any land in Lebanon. It
31:25
Speaker 2: is to move Hezbalah far enough back that they're no
31:28
Speaker 2: longer a threat to the north of Israel, as the
31:31
Speaker 2: UN itself resolved many years ago should be the case.
31:36
Speaker 2: So if the West is saying that Israel should not
31:39
Speaker 2: be moving Hezbollah back, are they not effectively saying that
31:42
Speaker 2: Hesbelah has the right to break the rules that the
31:45
Speaker 2: UN set down made.
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Speaker 12: It raised a really really good point there. The UN
31:50
Speaker 12: resolution called for Hesbola to move back north of the
31:53
Speaker 12: Lapani River, so in Lebanon, well away from the Lebanon
31:57
Speaker 12: Israel border. They put a U when peacekeeping force in
32:01
Speaker 12: place there. Since that resolution was passed, it's been entirely ineffective,
32:06
Speaker 12: to the point that Hesblah has been engaging Israel on
32:10
Speaker 12: a very large scale for a long time. So, yes,
32:13
Speaker 12: a call directed at Israel for a ceasefire is exactly
32:17
Speaker 12: as you say. Well, it's admitting that the US, the
32:21
Speaker 12: UN failed to do its job. Now Israel is helping
32:24
Speaker 12: the world, the UN to achieve that that. I'm objective
32:28
Speaker 12: for that resolution. And well, not just forced hes Bala
32:31
Speaker 12: back behind the tiny river, but remove Hesbala from the
32:34
Speaker 12: equation now they Elebanese people deserve better than Hesbella, as
32:38
Speaker 12: does the does the world.
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Speaker 2: Correct, Glynn Kolomuch, thank you so much for your time.
32:43
Speaker 2: After the break, Peter Creedlin sit down with both Liz
32:46
Speaker 2: Truss and Tony Abbott to discuss what the right needs
32:49
Speaker 2: to do to win back institutions that have come beholden
32:52
Speaker 2: to the left. Don't miss it after the break now,
32:57
Speaker 2: Peter Creedlin might not be able to be here to night,
33:00
Speaker 2: but she was sheill able to sit down with the
33:02
Speaker 2: former UK Prime Minister Liz Truss and our former PM
33:05
Speaker 2: Tourney Abbott ahead of Liz Truss's new book Ten Years
33:09
Speaker 2: to Save the West, which is being launched in Sydney
33:12
Speaker 2: right now. It was a wide ranging discussion and the
33:15
Speaker 2: whole thing will be online. I encourage you to check
33:17
Speaker 2: that out, but for now, he's an excerpt of the
33:20
Speaker 2: interview by Peter Kriglin.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's love that we sit down with two former
33:24
Speaker 13: prime ministers, like minded countries, obviously with our shared challenges,
33:30
Speaker 13: but plenty of opportunities because I'll start with you, because
33:33
Speaker 13: you're in Australia at a momentous time. We've just commemorated
33:38
Speaker 13: twelve months on from the atrocities of October seven and
33:41
Speaker 13: they're being felt obviously all around the world still today,
33:44
Speaker 13: but it's been a real challenge for cohesion in Australia.
33:49
Speaker 13: I'd be keen on your observation since you've been here
33:51
Speaker 13: about how we're handling divisions so far away in our
33:57
Speaker 13: own country.
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Speaker 10: I think we're facing similar issues in Britain that I
34:01
Speaker 10: see in Australia, which is people should be commemorating the
34:06
Speaker 10: appalling events of October seventh, but we've seen it tried
34:11
Speaker 10: to be hijacked for protest and some people even claiming
34:15
Speaker 10: that those appalling events didn't happen. And I think it's
34:18
Speaker 10: part of a broader issue that people within our own societies,
34:23
Speaker 10: in places like Australia or the United Kingdom, are questioning
34:27
Speaker 10: the very basis of our values and our civilization. So
34:32
Speaker 10: I think it's this questioning of our values that I
34:36
Speaker 10: find so worrying because my view is what's made Australia great,
34:41
Speaker 10: what's made Britain great, is a belief in freedom, democracy,
34:45
Speaker 10: individual liberty, and that's the opposite of what we saw
34:49
Speaker 10: those appalling events in is Well.
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Speaker 13: Is it because we've given up on integration. Do you
34:54
Speaker 13: think we've brought migrants in we've given up on demanding
34:58
Speaker 13: that they adopt our values.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think the left have been very successful at
35:04
Speaker 10: pursuing socialism by different means, and whether it's a Black
35:09
Speaker 10: Lives Matter movement or the transgender idealogues, they're basically saying
35:14
Speaker 10: the way we've lived our lives. You know, our belief
35:17
Speaker 10: in family is individuals. The nation state is somehow something
35:21
Speaker 10: to be ashamed of, and instead, you know, those things
35:25
Speaker 10: are old fashioned, they're part of history, and we need
35:28
Speaker 10: to move forward with this identity agenda. It's all about
35:33
Speaker 10: which group you're in, it's not about your individual talents
35:36
Speaker 10: and your individual capabilities. And I think too many people
35:40
Speaker 10: on the right have said, well, we don't want to
35:44
Speaker 10: be on the wrong side of history, so we don't
35:47
Speaker 10: want to fight back against those arguments. We need to
35:51
Speaker 10: just accept that the world has changed, and I think
35:54
Speaker 10: that's completely wrong. I think we're actually destroying our societies
35:57
Speaker 10: from within, and we're also projecting weakly.
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Speaker 13: It wasn't so long ago that you were Prime Minister
36:02
Speaker 13: dealing with Islamic State. There was no celebration of Islamic State.
36:08
Speaker 13: You had no issues getting labor to support tougher terrorism legislation.
36:13
Speaker 13: Now that's a handful of years. What's changed in Australia.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think that we've had more years of indocrination,
36:22
Speaker 5: Lefty indoctrination in our education system. We've had more years
36:28
Speaker 5: of uncontrolled legal immigration without a stress on being part
36:36
Speaker 5: of Team Australia. Once you're here, do you.
36:39
Speaker 13: Think the West leaves is ashamed of Western values? Have
36:43
Speaker 13: we lost confidence in the West?
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Speaker 1: So?
36:47
Speaker 10: I do think the majority of people in Britain or
36:51
Speaker 10: Australia have lost confidence in the West or their countries.
36:55
Speaker 10: I think the problem is the establishment in our countries
36:59
Speaker 10: has moved to the left. And what do I mean
37:01
Speaker 10: by that? I mean the civil service and the bureaucracy,
37:04
Speaker 10: major corporations, the universal.
37:07
Speaker 2: A lot of the media.
37:08
Speaker 10: They've moved to the left significantly. And the left have
37:12
Speaker 10: been very successful at capturing these institutions.
37:16
Speaker 13: And a lot of this is similar here, isn't it.
37:18
Speaker 5: Look it is Peter. And part of the difficulty is
37:21
Speaker 5: that our center right party, the Liberal Party, it's still
37:28
Speaker 5: run out of the rich, leafy inner suburbs, and yet
37:33
Speaker 5: increasingly its vote is in the aspirational, working suburbs if
37:39
Speaker 5: you like major correct and it's those areas that made
37:45
Speaker 5: Boris Johnson prime minister. So look, we need to better
37:51
Speaker 5: reflect the aspirations, the values and the instincts of the
37:57
Speaker 5: people who want to vote for us, and do vote
37:59
Speaker 5: for us when we create a clear contest of idea.
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Speaker 13: This goes on Liza's point. I mean, it's one thing
38:05
Speaker 13: to win office. It's another thing to do something with
38:09
Speaker 13: the power. You have to actually make a difference according
38:12
Speaker 13: to your.
38:12
Speaker 5: Boundaries in office, but not in power.
38:15
Speaker 1: Because so how do you.
38:18
Speaker 13: We're just one that how do you deal then with
38:20
Speaker 13: these captured institutions.
38:22
Speaker 10: There are two problems in Britain. One is that not
38:26
Speaker 10: enough Conservative MPs were prepared to vote for the policies
38:30
Speaker 10: that would have transformed the country because many of the
38:35
Speaker 10: parliamentary Party are still of the old mindset, which is
38:39
Speaker 10: the people who are our voters are the establishment.
38:42
Speaker 2: We don't want to upset them.
38:44
Speaker 10: So that was what was going on in the party.
38:47
Speaker 13: With a bit of distance now from the Brexit decision.
38:50
Speaker 13: Have you got Brexit done in the UK?
38:54
Speaker 2: No? Not fully.
38:56
Speaker 10: We've still got all of the EU laws on our
38:58
Speaker 10: statute books. I think the Right have to be really
39:01
Speaker 10: prepared to explain how powerless politicians have become because every
39:07
Speaker 10: single department, and I worked in six different government departments,
39:11
Speaker 10: I would find an awful lot of the decisions were
39:13
Speaker 10: not in my hands. They've been handed to Natural England,
39:17
Speaker 10: or they'd be handed to the Judicial Appointments Commission, or
39:21
Speaker 10: the Bank of England or the Office of Budget Responsibility.
39:23
Speaker 10: There are more than five hundred of these bodies in Britain.
39:26
Speaker 10: I actually think Britain's worse than Australia. I think we've
39:29
Speaker 10: gone down that route and I think what has happened
39:32
Speaker 10: in Britain should be a warning to Australia because we
39:35
Speaker 10: have hit complete stagnation and think that's.
39:37
Speaker 2: People you right, Liz.
39:38
Speaker 5: I mean, the only reason why the Abbot government was
39:41
Speaker 5: able to stop the boats was because it was something
39:44
Speaker 5: that the executive government could do given that it was
39:47
Speaker 5: only Commonwealth public servants sitting around the table. I could
39:53
Speaker 5: say to them, Look, I'm sorry. I hear what you've said.
39:56
Speaker 5: I've heard all your reservations, I've heard all your anxiety.
40:01
Speaker 5: But we are going to stop these damn things.
40:03
Speaker 13: We're all watching the biggest race in the world at
40:05
Speaker 13: the moment, the US president presidential election about a month ago.
40:10
Speaker 13: I know that you're close with the Trump camp. I mean,
40:13
Speaker 13: what are your observations here?
40:17
Speaker 10: I think this race is vitally important. I fair another
40:23
Speaker 10: four years of the Democrats in the White House. I
40:25
Speaker 10: think Kamala Harris's continuity, Jake Biden, and what we have
40:29
Speaker 10: seen is we have seen appeasement and capitulation to our adames.
40:35
Speaker 13: But I want to just touch on China before we
40:37
Speaker 13: leave this geopolitical chat, because as troubling as the Middle
40:41
Speaker 13: East is, as troubling as Russia in its invasion of Ukraine,
40:45
Speaker 13: is the real global player here is China. It took
40:50
Speaker 13: Britain a long time to wake up to China. I
40:52
Speaker 13: think your eyes are open, and I put it down
40:55
Speaker 13: to perhaps.
40:55
Speaker 5: You, all of us a long time to wake up.
40:57
Speaker 13: It's true, but I think there was a whole discussion.
40:59
Speaker 13: Remember that whether you would put Huawei into yourn I
41:02
Speaker 13: don't think.
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Speaker 2: Britain is fully.
41:06
Speaker 10: We haven't done enough on China. There's still far too
41:09
Speaker 10: much influence in British universities. We have huge numbers of
41:14
Speaker 10: overseas students. We've recently had the labor government in Britain
41:20
Speaker 10: reversing a law on free speech allegedly due to pressure
41:25
Speaker 10: from the Chinese authorities because the universities wanted the money
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Speaker 10: from overseas students. There's a lot of pressure. I saw
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Speaker 10: this when I was in government from the Treasury to
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Speaker 10: not close down routes from investment from China, to do
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Speaker 10: more trade with China because they saw it as boosting
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Speaker 10: the economy in the short term.
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Speaker 5: There's got to be more self reliance. Now, this is
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Speaker 5: not an anti market position. I am pro the market,
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Speaker 5: but the market is not the only thing, and if
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Speaker 5: you are going to be a sovereign, independent country, there
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Speaker 5: are some things that you've got to be able to
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Speaker 5: do yourself.
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Speaker 10: And it's not really a market. When China is using
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Speaker 10: state subsidies to undermine companies overseas and they're using it
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Speaker 10: for industrial espianage, it is not a genuine market and
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Speaker 10: they have been able to just flo out well tragged
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Speaker 10: organization rules for years and years and years and get
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Speaker 10: away with it all.
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Speaker 13: Right, Just before we go going to ask you, you know,
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Speaker 13: getting to the apex of politics in your country, this
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Speaker 13: is a question to both of you as you left.
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Speaker 13: Is there something you wish you knew or better understood
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Speaker 13: before you walked in that door at Downing Street, that
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Speaker 13: famous black door the first time, before you walked into
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Speaker 13: to the office. I can't say the lodge because you
42:48
Speaker 13: never lived in the lone. Was there anything that struck
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Speaker 13: you as you took on the biggest job in Britain.
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Speaker 10: I thought that when I got to the top, I
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Speaker 10: would have the power to make the decisions that needed
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Speaker 10: to be darn And what I discovered was a lot
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Speaker 10: of those powers were illusory, that they were held elsewhere.
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Speaker 10: So the big learning for me was about how much
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Speaker 10: power has been taken away from the Prime Minister as
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Speaker 10: part of Parliament in Britain?
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Speaker 13: Can you have it?
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Speaker 9: Look?
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Speaker 5: This is absolutely right. One of the things that I
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Speaker 5: discovered was just how constrained you were. I made assumptions
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Speaker 5: about the Senate which turned out not to be true.
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Speaker 5: I made assumptions about the Liberal run states which turned
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Speaker 5: out not to be true.
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Speaker 13: You mean believing you had a mandate.
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Speaker 5: So there's got to be a personnel plan as well
43:48
Speaker 5: as a policy plan these days. I guess the one
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Speaker 5: thing you do is I suppose look back with pride
43:57
Speaker 5: and I dare say some regret because there was always
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Speaker 5: more that could be done.
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Speaker 2: Thank you both your tom as. I mentioned that full
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Speaker 2: interview is on the Sky News website. Now I encourage
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Speaker 2: you to go and have a look after the break.
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Speaker 2: A social media summer kicked off today. What will it
44:16
Speaker 2: actually come up with that more? After the break, let's
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Speaker 2: bring in the panel now. LLNP Senator James McGrath and
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Speaker 2: Spectator columnist Terry Barnes. Gents, the social media summit, hosted
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Speaker 2: by the New South Wales and South Australian governments kicked
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Speaker 2: off in Sydney today. You had both respective premiers there,
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins from New South Wales, Peter malanowskis from South Australia,
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Speaker 2: Terry the E Safety Commissioner Commissioner sorry Julian mcgrant. She
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Speaker 2: told the summit today that one point three million Australian
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Speaker 2: kids under thirteen already have social media accounts. I suppose
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Speaker 2: The question then, is is it too far gone? And
44:57
Speaker 2: how would any sort of ban on people under a
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Speaker 2: particular age sixteen has been touted being instituted for social
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Speaker 2: media actually work when you already have more than a
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Speaker 2: million of them using these services.
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Speaker 14: Yes, Caleb, Look, I mean you see that gate over
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Speaker 14: there with the horse on the other side. It's already bolted,
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Speaker 14: hasn't it. And I think that's the real problem with
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Speaker 14: all of this is that it's well meaning. I know
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Speaker 14: what Premium Melanascus and Chris Min's and Anton Albanezi and
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Speaker 14: even Peter Dunman are on about, and certainly as a father,
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Speaker 14: I'm worried about my kids social media access when she's
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Speaker 14: a bit older. But the thing is it's unenforceable. It's
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Speaker 14: a restriction on free speech. But it is unenforceable because look,
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Speaker 14: I mean, yes, it's online, yes it's the Internet. But
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Speaker 14: when it comes down to it, kids are pretty inventive
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Speaker 14: and if they really want to get access to social media,
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Speaker 14: they'll find the equivalent of sending the brother down to
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Speaker 14: the older brother down to the grog shop to buy
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Speaker 14: the They'll they'll find their way to make a for
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Speaker 14: electronic ID and certainly it experts I've spoken to say
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Speaker 14: that it's quite easy to do.
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Speaker 2: So look, they mean, well, there.
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Speaker 14: Is a real problem in terms of what kids can
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Speaker 14: access on social media, absolutely, but to ban it it's
46:13
Speaker 14: just not going to work.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and kids have never smoked cigarettes behind the bikershed
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Speaker 2: at school, have they? Either? They know how to get
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Speaker 2: hold of things that they shouldn't get hold of. A
46:21
Speaker 2: new report from the E sixty one Institute think tank
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Speaker 2: has found that forty nine billion dollars that's what DAS
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Speaker 2: costs us. The scheme has sucked workers away from more
46:32
Speaker 2: efficient industry. So the research has found that the care
46:35
Speaker 2: sector boom has actually reduced annual productivity growth but an
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Speaker 2: average of zero point two percent since twenty nineteen because
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Speaker 2: workers have been taken away from other parts of the economy.
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Speaker 2: And of course, James, when you look at the unemployment
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Speaker 2: numbers and the fact that they've been remaining reasonably stagnant,
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Speaker 2: the only reason for that is because most of the
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Speaker 2: employment growth has been in the NDIS and a care
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Speaker 2: great Ponzi scheme.
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Speaker 1: The NDIS does do good work and it does have
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Speaker 1: the support of the coalition, but We're particularly aware of
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Speaker 1: the massive increase in spending growth that has happened. Happened
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Speaker 1: under both governments, to be fair, and that's why we
47:20
Speaker 1: supported the changes it came through the Senate a few
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Speaker 1: weeks back. But you're correct. The NDIS has just become
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Speaker 1: this great, big employment scheme for people and it's sucking people.
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Speaker 1: And I live in regional Queensland. It's sucking people out
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Speaker 1: of other industries into this taxpayer funded monolith and that's
47:41
Speaker 1: not helpful for regional Queensland.
47:43
Speaker 2: Now, Kamala Harris has come under fire for a lack
47:47
Speaker 2: of serious media appearances during the campaign, but now she's
47:50
Speaker 2: been on a blitch of friendly interviews. This week, she
47:54
Speaker 2: went on the Call Her Daddy podcast, she was on
47:57
Speaker 2: The View, she did the Late Show with Stephen Cole Bear,
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Speaker 2: She's been on with Howard Stern. Now, I mean, I
48:03
Speaker 2: could show you a litany of things she said this week,
48:06
Speaker 2: none of them particularly good, but I had to pull
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Speaker 2: one out, so I thought, why not This grab from
48:11
Speaker 2: sixty minutes where she was asked about immigration.
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Speaker 15: Was it a mistake to loosen the immigration policies as
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Speaker 15: much as you did.
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Speaker 3: It's a long standing problem and solutions are at hand,
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Speaker 3: and from day one, literally we have been offering solutions.
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Speaker 15: What I was asking was was it a mistake to
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Speaker 15: kind of allow that flood to happen in the first place.
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Speaker 2: I think now that interview Terry, parts of it were
48:42
Speaker 2: actually edited from what went to air to what was
48:45
Speaker 2: put online, so it made her answers look better. She
48:50
Speaker 2: was on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert drinking a beer,
48:54
Speaker 2: which looked so unnatural. I don't know that this has
48:56
Speaker 2: worked for all that well, Terry.
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Speaker 14: Well, I don't think so. And certainly if you see
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Speaker 14: the sixty minutes interview caliber it's a train wreck. I
49:04
Speaker 14: mean an absolute train wreck. But as you say, CBS
49:08
Speaker 14: actually edited it when online. But also I think I
49:12
Speaker 14: was looking at the Washington Post before we came on,
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Speaker 14: and they're saying, oh, look, she's doing this media, isn't
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Speaker 14: it wonderful? But they're not actually talking about the substance
49:21
Speaker 14: of it. They're just saying, oh, she's done it. So
49:23
Speaker 14: she's actually fronting up. But the reality is the more
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Speaker 14: she talks, the more I think people realize and voters
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Speaker 14: will realize that. And I hope I don't sound sexist
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Speaker 14: or misogynistic in saying so, but she's a vapor airhead.
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Speaker 2: Yep, one hundred percent. Now James, very quickly before we go.
49:39
Speaker 2: We've got thirty seconds. But apparently you're going to have
49:43
Speaker 2: to sit on Melbourne Cup Day. There's going to be
49:46
Speaker 2: a question time on Melbourne Cup Day. This is an Australian,
49:49
Speaker 2: isn't it. The Prime Minister needs to intervene here.
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Speaker 1: Look, we're in the Senate and we can walk and
49:56
Speaker 1: cheer gum at the same time, so we can do
49:58
Speaker 1: question time and have them all and cap on. We've
50:02
Speaker 1: got to make sure that we hold this labor government
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Speaker 1: to account and we need to get rid of them.
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Speaker 1: And that's why in two weeks time, I've got to
50:08
Speaker 1: get rid of the state Labor government in Queensland also,
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Speaker 1: So back a horse and back the LNP.
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Speaker 2: It's the race that stops the nation. It just stopped
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Speaker 2: the Parliament as well. Jeents, thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: your time tonight, and thank you for your company. The
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Speaker 2: Bold Report is up next. Good Night,