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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after Party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about our new story, Backmasking and the death
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Speaker 1: of the Dangerous rock Star. Because of our new episode
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Speaker 1: on Judas Priest, we're rewinding back to our spooky Robert
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Speaker 1: Johnson tail previewing next week's episode on The Exorcist. We
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Speaker 1: get into your voicemails, text, dms, and as always, a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the
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Speaker 1: musically obsessed, with the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know
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Speaker 1: that the best history is the history that gets buried.
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Speaker 1: Disgrace Lands, where I tell the stories they didn't want told,
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Speaker 1: the kind you'll end up telling someone else all right, discoes,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it. In nineteen ninety, the National News
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Speaker 1: reported on a Judas priest court case and the heavy
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Speaker 1: metal band was accused of inciting fans to commit suicide. Specifically,
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Speaker 1: authorities accuse the English group of including hidden messages in
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Speaker 1: their songs that could only be heard by playing vinyl
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Speaker 1: copies of their albums backward. This practice, known as backmasking,
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Speaker 1: wasn't a new concept in nineteen ninety, but what was
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Speaker 1: new in nineteen ninety was the idea that many in
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Speaker 1: mainstream America seriously believed that rock stars were dangerous enough
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Speaker 1: to want to cause intentional harm, even death, to their fans.
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Speaker 1: The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Ozzy Osbourne each endured back masking controversies.
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Speaker 1: In the nineteen sixties, the Beatles were accused of including
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Speaker 1: the backward message turned Me on dead Man in their
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Speaker 1: song Revolution Number nine, a supposed reference to their supposed
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Speaker 1: dead bass player Paul McCartney. In the seventies, Led Zeppelin
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Speaker 1: were accused of backmasking the message Here's to My Sweet Satan,
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Speaker 1: a lyric that one could supposedly decipher by playing the
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Speaker 1: Zeppelin tune Stairway to Heaven. Backward. In the eighties, in
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Speaker 1: an event that would foreshadow the Judas Priest scandal, Ozzy
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Speaker 1: Osbourne was sued for criminal negligence, accused by the parents
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Speaker 1: of a young fan of including subliminal messages in his
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Speaker 1: song Suicide Solution and inciting their son to kill himself.
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Speaker 1: The idea that rock stars would go out of their
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Speaker 1: way to design backward messaging in their recordings with the
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Speaker 1: intent of causing harm to their fans is absurd, But
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Speaker 1: the point is that in decades past, people believed this
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Speaker 1: to be true, so much so that Ozzy Osbourne and
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Speaker 1: Judas Priest were forced into court to defend lawsuits brought
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Speaker 1: against them. Now, who would believe that rock stars were
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Speaker 1: this dangerous? Well, lots of people, and it turns out
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Speaker 1: they had good reason. In nineteen sixty six, when the Beatles,
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Speaker 1: John Lennon said publicly that the Beatles were more popular
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Speaker 1: than Jesus Christ, ninety one percent of Americans identified as Christians,
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Speaker 1: compared to today when just sixty one percent of Americans
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Speaker 1: identify as Christians. Truly, a massive backlash against the Beatles
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Speaker 1: took place after these comments. Lenin was accused of blasphemy. Beatles'
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Speaker 1: records were burned, their music was banned on certain radio
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Speaker 1: stations throughout the American South, and Lenin was forced to
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Speaker 1: publicly apologize. In nineteen eighty five, when the led Zeppelin
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Speaker 1: biography Hammer of the Gods was published, news of the
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Speaker 1: group's unspeakable sexual depravity involving a mud shark spread throughout
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Speaker 1: every high school in America, and despite the questionable veracity
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Speaker 1: of the book's author and its sources, many believed this
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Speaker 1: story and still do. And in nineteen eighty one, when
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Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne shocked CBS Records executives by biting the head
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Speaker 1: off of a live dove in the middle of a
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Speaker 1: business meeting, and then repeated the animal abuse on stage
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Speaker 1: a year later by biting the head off of a bat,
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Speaker 1: parents of teenage metal heads across the United States were horrified.
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Speaker 1: Who were these lunatics entertaining American children? Blasphemy, unspeakable acts
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Speaker 1: of depravity, animal abuse. We can question the seriousness of
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Speaker 1: the intent behind all of these controversies, but you can't
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Speaker 1: deny the shocking impact that each event had. These stories
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Speaker 1: and more. Vince Neil from Motley Cruz drunk driving incident
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Speaker 1: that killed Nicholas Razzle Dingley, drummer for Hanoi Rocks Axel
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Speaker 1: Rose from Guns N' Roses, inciting a riot at one
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Speaker 1: of the band's shows, Billie Idol compelling hotel management to
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Speaker 1: call the Thai military to evict him from a Bangkok
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Speaker 1: hotel over his debaucherous and violent behavior. These tales of
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Speaker 1: rock and roll excess made national and sometimes international news. Authorities,
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Speaker 1: and parents had serious questions about the entertainers their children
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Speaker 1: were being exposed to dangerous rock stars. This fear and
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Speaker 1: doubt burst into mainstream consciousness in nineteen eighty five when
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Speaker 1: the PMRC, the Parents Music Resource Center, a music censorship
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Speaker 1: advocacy group spearheaded by Tipper Gore, wife of then Democrat
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Speaker 1: Senator Al Gore, argued in front of the entire country
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Speaker 1: in a live televised Senate hearing the popular musicians posed
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Speaker 1: a dangerous threat to young people, and specifically accused Led
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Speaker 1: Zeppelin and other groups of back masking. Senate testimony didn't
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Speaker 1: prove that rock stars were intentionally trying to harm young
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Speaker 1: fans through back masking. In fact, Frank Zappa, in his
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Speaker 1: testimony against the PMRC's accusations, thoroughly destroyed their argument, saying
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Speaker 1: the whole issue of hidden messages, backward masking, and all
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Speaker 1: that if you play any record backwards long enough, you'll
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Speaker 1: eventually hear what you want to hear. It's the same
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Speaker 1: as looking at clouds. People see what they want. It
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Speaker 1: is not scientific and it's not serious, And despite the
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Speaker 1: testimony of Frank Zappa, the PMRC did prevail. The RIAA,
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Speaker 1: the Recording Industry Associateation of America agreed to include a
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Speaker 1: warning sticker on albums deemed offensive sacrilegious snark sex with
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Speaker 1: mud sharks, headless bats, deadly, drunk driving incidents, riots, debauchery
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Speaker 1: in a nationally televised senate hearing. All contributed to an
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Speaker 1: environment of fear in moral panic, and came to a
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Speaker 1: head in nineteen ninety when the parents of a Judas
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Speaker 1: Priest fan, James Vance accused the band of backmasking messages
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Speaker 1: intended to compel listeners to kill themselves. Vance was horribly
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Speaker 1: disfigured in a suicide pack with his friend and fellow
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Speaker 1: Judas Priest fan Raymond Bellknapp, who shot and killed himself
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Speaker 1: on December twenty third, nineteen eighty five. As ridiculous as
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Speaker 1: this lawsuit sounds the idea that musicians would exert time, money,
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Speaker 1: and creative energy in the recording studio to design secret
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Speaker 1: messaging with the express purpose of causing harm, even death
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Speaker 1: to their fans. As obsid sird as this idea is.
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Speaker 1: This is not the point. The point is that in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, people actually believed that rock stars were
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Speaker 1: dangerous enough to do what they were being accused of.
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Speaker 1: The Judas Priest backmasking case was very real. Ozzy Osbourne
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Speaker 1: faced his own lawsuit over the same issue in nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty seven, and led Zeppelin's name was smeared all over
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Speaker 1: the floor of the United States Senate. Rob Halford, a
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Speaker 1: singer and a heavy metal band, was, along with his bandmates,
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Speaker 1: forced into court to testify to his innocence in a
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Speaker 1: lawsuit accusing him of wanting to kill his fans. This
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Speaker 1: would never happen today. Rock stars simply aren't seen as
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Speaker 1: being dangerous enough. Sure, some mainstream rockers play with dark imagery,
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Speaker 1: but not in any serious kind of way, not in
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Speaker 1: a way that results in lawsuits or accusations of compelling
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Speaker 1: the deaths of fans. The rock star, or the myth
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Speaker 1: of the dangerous rock star hasn't been eliminated, but it
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Speaker 1: has been domesticated. Today's rockstar is, by comparison, or at
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Speaker 1: least the perception of today's rock stars is safe, and
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Speaker 1: I would argue, for better or worse anyway, that that's boring.
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Speaker 1: These days, public fear and paranoia is expressed toward hip
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Speaker 1: hop artists like Travis Scott and Lil nas X, and
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Speaker 1: if we're to believe certain corners of the Internet, it's
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Speaker 1: through these artists that the devil now expresses himself. But
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Speaker 1: as for the myth of the dangerous rock star, it's dead.
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Speaker 1: But I am very much alive, and I'll be back
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Speaker 1: in the flash with your voicemails, text emails and answers
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Speaker 1: on who you think the greatest heavy metal acts of
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Speaker 1: all time are more after this, all right, we are
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Speaker 1: back and we are dangerous. As ever, that entire piece
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Speaker 1: on back masking that you just heard was obviously inspired
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Speaker 1: by our recent episode on Judas Priest. The whole subject
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Speaker 1: totally fascinates me, the fact that people actually believed what
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Speaker 1: they believed, the urban myths that back masking created. If
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Speaker 1: you're of a certain age, you heard all those stories
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Speaker 1: growing up like I did, and I wanted to give
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Speaker 1: the subject a little more time, thus the piece at
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Speaker 1: the top of this episode. Another subject relative to Judas
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Speaker 1: Priest that we didn't cover in our full story. In
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Speaker 1: our full episode, I should say, was the arrest and
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Speaker 1: imprisonment of Judas Priest drummer Dave Holland for abusing a
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Speaker 1: minor with learning disabilities. Shocked to discover a part of
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Speaker 1: this story that I was previously oblivious to, regarding the
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Speaker 1: band's thoughts on their drummer's arrest and what happened after
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Speaker 1: that certainly not part of the public narratives surrounding Dave
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Speaker 1: Holland and Judas Priest. You can sort of connect the
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Speaker 1: dots here and come to a very very interesting conclusion.
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Speaker 1: Disgrace and All Access members can hear that conclusion and
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Speaker 1: we speaking a myths. I don't know. I feel like
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Speaker 1: we're always doing some sort of myth work here. In
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Speaker 1: this week's rewind episode on Robert Johnson, we play with
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Speaker 1: the myth that Robert Johnson sold the soul to the
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Speaker 1: Devil for success, which to me is kind of wrote,
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Speaker 1: kind of boring. I've got a different take on Robert
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Speaker 1: Johnson and the Devil, and you're not going to want
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Speaker 1: to miss it. This episode has some of our best
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Speaker 1: and creepiest sound design, perfect for Halloween, so make sure
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Speaker 1: you don't miss it. It's coming up directly after this
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Speaker 1: bonus episode next week. All the chills hit when we
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Speaker 1: dive into our Exorcist story again on the Halloween tip,
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Speaker 1: do yourself a favor and download that episode, Climb into bed,
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Speaker 1: turn off the lights, put some headphones on, and be
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Speaker 1: prepared to creep out with us. One of my favorite episodes.
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Speaker 1: When we originally released this story last year, we received
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Speaker 1: a ton of positive feedback from you guys, including some
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Speaker 1: who were connected to the story, which is really fascinating.
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Speaker 1: We knew we had an instant Halloween classic, so I'm
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Speaker 1: excited to listen again, and I hope you are too.
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Speaker 1: All right. The Exorcist story is indeed creepy and deals
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Speaker 1: with some heavy issues, but it also a really fun question.
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Speaker 1: What is the scariest movie by your estimation? This scariest
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Speaker 1: movie of all time? I don't know how you want
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Speaker 1: to term it. Whatever scares the hell out of you.
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Speaker 1: We talked about this last year and got a boatload
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Speaker 1: of responses. We're still getting responses on it, if I'm
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Speaker 1: being totally honest, So I know it's a subject that
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Speaker 1: still has legs. And I know that some of you
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Speaker 1: guys are constantly watching new horror and watching old horror
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Speaker 1: and updating your your list of favorite scary movies. So
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Speaker 1: when you're listening to the Exorcist episode next week, be
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Speaker 1: thinking about which movies has scared you the most, which
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Speaker 1: have really freaked you the hell out, whether they're old classics,
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Speaker 1: new ones, things you've seen since since last year and
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Speaker 1: we talked about this last whatever it is, hit me up,
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Speaker 1: let me know six one seven nine oh six six
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Speaker 1: six three eight. Leave a voicemail and the text, I
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Speaker 1: love getting hip to horror movies that I haven't seen,
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Speaker 1: and reminded of classics that I need to rewatch this year.
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Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh sixty six six three eight
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Speaker 1: call let me know which scary movie freaky out the
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Speaker 1: most and what we all need to be watching this Halloween,
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Speaker 1: all right. And on the subject of you guys and
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Speaker 1: your voicemails, excuse that chair in the background sliding across
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Speaker 1: the floor. I moved the studio around a little bit yesterday,
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Speaker 1: trying to go for a little fresh look here, more
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Speaker 1: of a flat background, you know. And I'm still settling
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Speaker 1: in here, all right, So excuse that rolling chair there
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Speaker 1: it is again. Anyways, on the subject of you guys
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Speaker 1: in your voicemails and text, let's hear your answers to
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Speaker 1: last week's question of the week on the heavy metal
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Speaker 1: artists that are on your mount rushmore of heavy metal.
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Speaker 1: Let's hear from Ben in the eight to three.
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Speaker 2: Ay, Jake, this is Ben from the eight to oh three,
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Speaker 2: weighing in on a subject that back in my wheelhouse
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Speaker 2: as a young impressionable guy in the eighties, during the
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Speaker 2: heyday of the heavy metal era, if you will, learning
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Speaker 2: to play guitar and naturally gravitated towards Van Alen by
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Speaker 2: mounting those guys. But when you're talking about bands, there
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Speaker 2: was just something big and majestic and well downright British.
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Speaker 2: Obviously about the two best middle bands of all time.
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Speaker 2: In my opinion, they would be one in one egg
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Speaker 2: and that would be Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. Those
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Speaker 2: guys just hit different. And you know, again, when you're
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Speaker 2: going from listening to you know, Van Halen and all
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Speaker 2: this stuff for the Ryven guitars and you hear the
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Speaker 2: you hear you know, Glenn Tips and KK Down and
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Speaker 2: those guys and the way they were doing or doing
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Speaker 2: guitar melodies and everything else.
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Speaker 1: It was just.
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Speaker 2: Everything was a little bit bigger and badder, you know
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Speaker 2: what I mean. And then ultimate concert ever was probably
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Speaker 2: the Iron Maiden Power Slave Tour. I still have nightmares
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Speaker 2: about Ady coming at me. Thanks a lot, Jake, keep
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Speaker 2: up the great word rock and.
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Speaker 1: Roller, Ben. I feel the van Halen love and I
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Speaker 1: agree with you. Iron Maiden and Judas Priest just hit different.
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Speaker 1: Just didn't make it into the Judas Priest episode, but
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Speaker 1: it was one of the things that I found. I
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Speaker 1: didn't I didn't get to write about it. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know this that I wasn't surprised to read that Iron
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Speaker 1: Maiden opened up for Judas priest early on in their career.
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Speaker 1: And but what I what I what I did find
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Speaker 1: that was surprising was that in KK Downing's book he
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Speaker 1: talks about how h they he basically he doesn't say
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Speaker 1: he hates Iron Maiden, but he just talks, I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to say, talk shit. But he's got a very
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Speaker 1: unfavorable opinion of these guys based on not on their music,
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Speaker 1: on their attitudes and the way they acted when they
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Speaker 1: were toring together as a young band. And I think
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Speaker 1: he compares them to def Leopard and just how what
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Speaker 1: great guys def Leopard were and how easy it was,
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Speaker 1: and has similar kind things to say about ac DC
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Speaker 1: from that time period. But Iron Maiden, he's not a fan.
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Speaker 1: And this is something that's come up recently a couple
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Speaker 1: times to me. When when Zeth and I were talking
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Speaker 1: a few months ago about Sharon Osbourne, we came upon this,
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Speaker 1: uh tidbit of information where Iron Maiden did an oz
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Speaker 1: Fest a few years back and had a lot of
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Speaker 1: beef with Sharon and basically a lot of people on
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Speaker 1: that tour do not like Iron Maid. And so I
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Speaker 1: don't know what this is all about. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: not admittedly I'm not an Iron Maiden aficionado. I like
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Speaker 1: Iron Maiden. I was listening to the Somewhere in Time
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Speaker 1: album the other day a couple of days ago, cop
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Speaker 1: down on CD at Armageddon Records in Harvard Square when
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Speaker 1: I was up in Boston a couple weeks ago, or Cambridge,
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Speaker 1: i should say, and was listening to that album. Loved
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Speaker 1: that album. Stranger to Strange lands such as fucking Bruce
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Speaker 1: Dickinson's voice, man so good, epic, epic, epic, epic choruses,
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Speaker 1: and also kind of sounds like these guys might have
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Speaker 1: been Epic Dix as well. Anyways, that came up in
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Speaker 1: the Judis Priests research. All right, let's go. Let's we
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Speaker 1: get another call here from the eight oh three eight
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Speaker 1: O three. This is from Eric the last eight oh
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Speaker 1: three voicemails from Ben. One of you guys know each other.
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious Eric in the ATO three, Let's hear
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Speaker 1: what you get to say.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Jake, is Eric from the AH three calling to
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Speaker 3: tell you that my favorite heavy metal band of all
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Speaker 3: time is Judas Priest.
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Speaker 2: I'm an eighties medal kid.
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Speaker 3: Love lots of bands from that era and beyond, but
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Speaker 3: the Priests are my favorite, Screaming for Vengeance is probably
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Speaker 3: my favorite album of all time, and Rob is definitely
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Speaker 3: my favorite metal singer. So rock on, love your show,
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Speaker 3: talk to you later, Eric.
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Speaker 1: I agree Juwics Priest stands amongst the greats. You mentioned
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Speaker 1: Screaming for Vengeance, and I have to mention here a
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Speaker 1: mistake that I made in the Jewish Priest episode that
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Speaker 1: Marty E emailed me about. I confused the Screaming for
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Speaker 1: Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith albums in our story
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Speaker 1: when I was giving a breakdown of record sales by
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Speaker 1: Judas Priest. If you downloaded an early version of that episode,
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Speaker 1: you might have heard that mistake. We've since corrected it
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Speaker 1: and re uploaded the correction the correct episode. That's correct
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Speaker 1: information in the episode. Excuse me, So if you're downloading
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Speaker 1: a later version, you're just gonna get the correct stuff
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter. My bad and total brain fart.
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Speaker 1: Well aware of the differences between the albums. My bad,
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Speaker 1: and thank you Marty E for pointing that out. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. All Right, we're gonna move out of the
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Speaker 1: eight oh three, which I believe is South Carolina. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna head back to my neck of the woods in
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Speaker 1: the nine to seven eight.
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Speaker 4: Okay, what's up?
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Speaker 5: Mark n the gratest metal band of all time? Listener, Man,
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Speaker 5: there's a hierarchy here, right. I think just about anybody
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Speaker 5: who's ever owned a battle deck would probably agree to this.
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Speaker 5: It's gotta be Sabbath. It's gotta be Sabbath. They basically
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Speaker 5: invented the genre. Right. But then after Sabbath, sure, that's
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Speaker 5: when you can start talking about Maiden and Priest.
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Speaker 6: Okay, and then in my opinion, after.
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Speaker 5: That is like the Big Four, right, Metallica, Megadeth, Player
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Speaker 5: and Anthrax. So it's almost like, uh like different groups, right,
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Speaker 5: but Sabbath has to be above all of them in
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Speaker 5: I don't know, in my opinion side your absolute right,
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Speaker 5: halland Oaths is freaking awesome and uh yeah, love what
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Speaker 5: you do.
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Speaker 1: Keep it up, Rock and Roller nine. I like your hierarchy,
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Speaker 1: and I agree you gotta put Black Sabbath at the
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Speaker 1: top of the list. Sorry to say, Priest fans. Without
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Speaker 1: Black Sabbath, there just wouldn't be Judas Priest. Let's see
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Speaker 1: what's up in the five o seven?
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Speaker 6: Hey?
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Speaker 5: What up?
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Speaker 6: This is a handy from the five oh seven? Uh?
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Speaker 6: I was just gonna go ahead and let you know
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Speaker 6: that that play in with with the Uh, he's a bad,
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Speaker 6: bad band. That's the first time I've heard it. It's
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Speaker 6: on the mini episode leading into the Jewish Priest. And now,
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Speaker 6: I mean, I listen to most y'all's episodes, but that's
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Speaker 6: the first time I heard it. And I may everybody
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Speaker 6: like three times. Dude, just bounceing, just bounce it to.
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Speaker 6: He's a bad bad band with the beat. Love what
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Speaker 6: y'all do? Don't ever stop.
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Speaker 1: I love it, five O said, I love it, man,
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Speaker 1: I love the heart of that. That's my son when
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Speaker 1: he was four years old. Uh, speaking into the mic,
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Speaker 1: He's a bad bad man and uh yeah, you guys
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Speaker 1: You'll hear all about what the five seven is talking about.
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Speaker 1: While I look for this email, I want to read
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Speaker 1: to you guys, I've got Iron Maiden cruising through my
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Speaker 1: head and Stranger to Strange Land, the first of all
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Speaker 1: the album art is incredible and wasted years. That is
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Speaker 1: the song I am thinking about with the epic. Course,
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Speaker 1: if I misspoke earlier, I'm in danger of losing serious
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Speaker 1: metal head credit here with these mistakes. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: that was one, and I'm not going to go back
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Speaker 1: and listen and try to correct it. I'm just let
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Speaker 1: you know what's swimming through my head here in real time,
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Speaker 1: and I'm resisting the urge to launch into full Bruce
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Speaker 1: Dickinson chorus mode right now. No one wants to hear that,
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Speaker 1: especially not my kids seven seven five right saying, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I was bummed to hear about the passing of Ace
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Speaker 1: Freely yesterday. He was so much better than Kiss let
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Speaker 1: him be, talk about a musician hogtied by his band.
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Speaker 1: I bought all of the nineteen seventy eight solo albums
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Speaker 1: A Boy, the Guys and Kiss his hands down the best.
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Speaker 1: Every song is a straight banger. I agree. I love
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Speaker 1: that record, and I this is a really good take
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Speaker 1: about Ace Freely seven seven five. Ace Freely was, as
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Speaker 1: I mentioned this in an Instagram post, he was a
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Speaker 1: great guitar player who was I believe wrongly maligned by
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Speaker 1: guitar snobs as not being a great guitar player. Just
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Speaker 1: what's what's what's the word I'm looking for. It's not
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Speaker 1: anything profound, It's just the point is he is so
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Speaker 1: great so impactful, directly responsible for so many of us
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Speaker 1: picking up the guitars in the first place. And you
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Speaker 1: just cannot deny the guy that he was fantastic and
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Speaker 1: rest in peace. Ace. I know you're up there looking
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Speaker 1: down at an incredible legacy. Pour one out for Ace
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Speaker 1: freely seven seven five. Also goes on to say I
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Speaker 1: was obsessed with Priest in the early eighties and remember
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Speaker 1: waiting outside the courthouse in my hometown of Reno, Nevada
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Speaker 1: to try to meet them when the suicide case was
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Speaker 1: going on. Those poor kids were deeply disturbed, indeed very disturbed.
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Speaker 1: That's wild that you were there. I wonder what that
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Speaker 1: scene was like. Write us back seven seven five or
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Speaker 1: scene was like at the courthouse back when Priest was
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Speaker 1: on trial. Incredible. Appreciate all the voicemails. I appreciate the text.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate the emails. Guys. Thank you keep them coming at
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Speaker 1: six six three eight, voicemail and text I'll be back
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Speaker 1: right after this. I've decided that Martin Scorsese, that's mister
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Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese, is my favorite filmmaker of all time. I
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Speaker 1: say decided like this is a new revelation, but I've
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Speaker 1: known it for some time, and it's for many reasons.
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Speaker 1: But the main reason is that Scorsese is just the
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Speaker 1: most rock and roll of all the directors in my
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Speaker 1: mind anyway. So that's reason one. A reason one B.
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Speaker 1: We get into in the exclusive section of this episode
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Speaker 1: coming up by we, I mean me and doctor Zeth
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Speaker 1: Lundi from the prestigious Hollywood Land Hospital excuse me, Hollywood
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Speaker 1: Land Podcast. We're talking about this because of the new
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Speaker 1: five part documentary series on Martin Scorsese that was released
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Speaker 1: last week. Now listen, it's called mister Scorsese. Everyone who
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Speaker 1: knows him back from the old neighborhood who's in this
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Speaker 1: doc refers to him as Martin Scorsese, Scorsese, not Scorsese.
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Speaker 1: I've been saying Scorsese my whole life. Now I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to correct myself and say Scorceesi. It's like trying to
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Speaker 1: correct correct myself and say Nevada instead of Nevada. I
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Speaker 1: can't do it. It's hard. I try, I'm gonna fail.
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Speaker 1: I'm letting you know. Anyways, this doc was released last week.
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Speaker 1: I've seen three of the five episodes. It's incredible. Zeth
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Speaker 1: talks about this and a whole lot more in his
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Speaker 1: wrap party episode of hollywood Land. Bonus episode of hollywood
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Speaker 4: What was really great that I watched over the weekend
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Speaker 4: was Apple TV's new documentary series, Mister Scorsese. This is
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Speaker 4: a five part series, obviously about Martin Scorsese, directed by
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Speaker 4: Rebecca Miller. If you like Martin Scorsese or you just
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Speaker 4: like movies, I cannot recommend that. I mean, if if
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Speaker 4: you like art, if you like the getting inside an
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Speaker 4: artist's head and seeing how they do what they do,
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Speaker 4: I cannot recommend this series enough. I don't think there
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Speaker 4: has ever been a portrait, as Rebecca Miller calls it,
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Speaker 4: of a filmmaker that is this personal and this much
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Speaker 4: of a deep dive. And I'm not just talking into
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Speaker 4: his career, into his work, but into his life.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 4: The first two episodes were my favorites because they shed
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Speaker 4: so much light on Martin Scorsese's upbringing, his childhood, and
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Speaker 4: a big part of these first two episodes are conversations
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Speaker 4: and interviews with his childhood friends now and they really
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Speaker 4: bring this whole backstory to life. I knew about his backstory,
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Speaker 4: but I didn't know about it. With this much shading,
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Speaker 4: this much color, this much character, they bring the true
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Speaker 4: criminess of it all to the surface, the organized crime
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Speaker 4: that's been hanging out in the shadows, these shadowy figures
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Speaker 4: that his father has to deal with, and then how
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Speaker 4: all these things made their way into Scorsese's movies, not
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Speaker 4: only into his movies, but into how he dealt with
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Speaker 4: studios and executives and people who were difficult to deal with,
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Speaker 4: and all these lessons that he took from his father,
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Speaker 4: and how his father would deal with all these authority
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Speaker 4: figures in the neighborhood back in the day.
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Speaker 1: All right, that's doctor Zeth Lundy in the Hollywood Land podcast.
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Speaker 1: Subscribe to Hollywood Land wherever you get your podcasts. You know,
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Speaker 1: I felt like when I just read that, I felt
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Speaker 1: like the announcer, the the hockey announcer in slap Shot.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why if anyone's seen slapshot, maybe you'll
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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. It's a wild digression. I
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Speaker 1: got to reel it in, so that's what I'm gonna do. Okay.
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Speaker 1: This past weekend hold up, hold up, hold up, I
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Speaker 1: He started the game on the mound, struck out the
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Speaker 1: immediately homeward sheer dominance. It was incredible to watch. He
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Speaker 1: then went on to pitch six scoreless innings and homer
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Speaker 1: two more times. Now I told my kids they were
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Speaker 1: lucky to be alive during the same time period that
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Speaker 1: this dude is playing baseball. And then next day Monday,
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Speaker 1: I'm still on this high. My kids are all pumped
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Speaker 1: about it. I'm pumped about it. We're talking about it.
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Speaker 1: I turned on Boston Sports radio to hear cranky old dudes,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't speak. Babe Ruth played in the dead ball era,
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Speaker 1: at a time when the league was segregated and when
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Speaker 1: All right, let's recap, shall we. Number one, this week's
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Speaker 1: week our Exorcist episode five. Zeth gets deeper into mister
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Speaker 1: a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares
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Speaker 1: about music, books, records, and the crime and grime that
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Speaker 1: ties them all together like you do. And well that's
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Speaker 1: a disgrace, all right. On December twenty third, nineteen eighty five,
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Speaker 1: two metal heads got wasted and fucked around with a
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Speaker 1: sod Off shotgun forever changing the trajectory of their favorite band,
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Speaker 1: Judas Priest. And this is what America was listening to
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Speaker 1: on that day. Number one Say You Say Me, Lionel
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Speaker 1: Richie last week three weeks on chart seven, number two,
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Speaker 1: Broken Wings, Mister Mister, last week one weeks on chart fourteen,
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Speaker 1: last week four weeks on chart five, number four, Alive
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Speaker 1: and Kist Simple Lives last week Churty seven weeks on
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Speaker 1: chart number ten six, number five, Separate Lives, Phil Collins
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Speaker 1: and Marylyn Martin last week two weeks on churt twelve,
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Speaker 1: number six election.
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Speaker 5: Hey, Night's up, best founds.
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Speaker 2: Ay Night's up, best.
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Speaker 6: Founds I've ever seen in my life.
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Speaker 1: I love him.