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Ep. 637: How March Scouting Sessions Kill October Bucks with Greg Litzinger · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
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  Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest host,
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with Greg Litzinger, who
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  Speaker 1: has made a name for himself by killing pressured bucks
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  Speaker 1: on public land out east. All right, folks, welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt podcast, which has brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by First Light. And you guessed it. This is definitely
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  Speaker 1: not Mark Kenyon's voice. It's your old backup QB. Tony.
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  Speaker 1: Mark is actually often Europe this week, and he's in
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  Speaker 1: a little town in Germany called Burghouse or bird Who's
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  Speaker 1: in something anyway in that little town in Germany every
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  Speaker 1: single year. Men. Well, I'm assuming this is only for men,
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  Speaker 1: but I could be totally wrong. Compete for the best
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  Speaker 1: beard and the best mustache. I know Mark has been
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  Speaker 1: dreaming and bringing that trophy home for a long time
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  Speaker 1: for that mustache, so I hope he has a good
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  Speaker 1: showing out there today. I have a new Jersey bow
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  Speaker 1: hunter named Greg Litzinger. Greg is a die hard public
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  Speaker 1: land hunter who really understands how to deal with pressure
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  Speaker 1: and who lives to scout throughout the winter. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: that's the key to a lot of his success and
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  Speaker 1: also the topic of much of this episode. Now, even
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  Speaker 1: if you never set foot on public land, I think
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  Speaker 1: you'll be able to glean some useful insight from Greg
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  Speaker 1: because he's as legit as they come in the white
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  Speaker 1: tail space. Greg, how are you doing? Man? What's happening?
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  Speaker 1: We gotta we have to thank our mutual friend Clint
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  Speaker 1: Campbell there over at Troops from the Stand podcast for
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  Speaker 1: making this happen. And I reached out to Clint when
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  Speaker 1: I was looking for people who are I'm like, who's
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  Speaker 1: the most badass winner scouter you know? And he listed
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  Speaker 1: about twenty people and then he said, or you could
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  Speaker 1: just call Greg. Yeah, Clints, Uh, we've become really good friends.
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  Speaker 1: Charity's last you know, I don't think. I was one
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  Speaker 1: of his first few guests on his podcast and he
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  Speaker 1: was just getting started and we're just like, yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: lives like an hour and a half for me. We
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  Speaker 1: just formed a you know, a good friendship, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just good, not just a hunting friendships, just a friendship
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  Speaker 1: all around. You know, he's a he's a solid dude. Dude.
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  Speaker 1: I get jealous of Clint. He's gonna hear this, but
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  Speaker 1: that he can put truck cameras out and find monsters.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, like you're finding all these megas.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, how do you find these jumbos? He was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's the camera. I thought it'd be a good spot
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  Speaker 1: and it's like this giant deer and I'm like, I'll
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  Speaker 1: throw out twenty cameras and get like maybe one Pope season.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know how you do it, man Like.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, once he kind of figures that out,
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  Speaker 1: the his his kill mode, I guess gets in killed mode.
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  Speaker 1: There's deer in trouble man Like, he's got the stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He just needs to, you know, tweak a few things
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  Speaker 1: and he's going to be a world beater. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: he's always on good deer out there in Pennsylvania. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You I don't know if people who are listening to
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  Speaker 1: this can tell, but you don't sound like a typical
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  Speaker 1: wired to hunt guest. You sound like you live in
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  Speaker 1: a different place where you where are you at right now?
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  Speaker 1: South Jersey? Yeah, And that's really why not North Jersey?
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  Speaker 1: South Jersey. So for somebody who lives in Minnesota and
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know the difference, what's the difference? Why why do
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  Speaker 1: you specify that? Because there's in Jersey's like three it's
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  Speaker 1: like north, Central and South. You know, in South Jersey
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  Speaker 1: were relatively flat. We got Salt Marsh's, pine barrens, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of agg you know, centrals, more farm rolling hills.
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  Speaker 1: North you get into the mountains and a little more
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  Speaker 1: developed developed areas, I guess, if you will, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of traffic and PA, like through eighty runs through there,
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  Speaker 1: so you get PA, New York, New Jersey, all kind
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  Speaker 1: of meat up there. So there's a there's an influx
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  Speaker 1: of different, different kinds of people. I guess, not in
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  Speaker 1: a bad way. But it's different than South Jersey, you
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  Speaker 1: know what. I have to confess something. So I live
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  Speaker 1: in the suburbs of the Twin Cities, and people hear
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  Speaker 1: that and all of the time they're like, oh, that's
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  Speaker 1: the worst you live in, like where the riots were
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  Speaker 1: and everything. I'm like, no, Like do you understand how
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  Speaker 1: big the cities are? You know, like I'm not like
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  Speaker 1: in downtown Minneapolis and you know, I've killed poping young
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  Speaker 1: Bucks on public land ten minutes from my house. Like
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  Speaker 1: it's not like I'm in city city. But when I
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  Speaker 1: hear somebody say they're from Jersey, I don't think of
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  Speaker 1: anything other than a city, Like I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think because my buddy Tim Kent hunts out there too,
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  Speaker 1: and he's always describing it, and like I have this bias.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been there, and no, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when I had one of my old podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: I had a few guests on from the UK, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, nothing sounds dumber than some random Midwestern dude
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  Speaker 1: talking about you know, like the UK, like like he
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  Speaker 1: understands what it is. I'm like, I don't even really know,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't even know if I can find this
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  Speaker 1: on a map. And then when I hear you talk
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  Speaker 1: about Jersey, I'm like, and you were, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: were talking on the phone the other day and You're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I hunt in public land out here, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I have such a skewed view of where
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  Speaker 1: you live. And it makes me feel like an asshole
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  Speaker 1: because people do that to me all the time. Yeah, Well,
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  Speaker 1: Jersey it's a it's a pretty cool state. It's a
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  Speaker 1: very it's a tough state to live in, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as as you know, not to be political, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a Democrat run state, and there's some laws that
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  Speaker 1: it's just strange to me, a foreign to me, but
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  Speaker 1: this is where I live. But it's a state that
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  Speaker 1: the fishing game to do a good job of setting
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  Speaker 1: land aside. When I got into hunting and would date
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  Speaker 1: myself here with this, it's thirty sybe thirty one years ago.
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  Speaker 1: It's not much public land in South Jersey. There's like
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  Speaker 1: the bigger like pine barrens, but the pencilia grew up
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  Speaker 1: everybody hundred one piece basically Lee High or Wingate. It
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  Speaker 1: was like armaccore engineer type terrain you know, and read
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  Speaker 1: deer just big read there, big bucks. Those spots that
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about a couple hundred acres, there'd be I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there'd be Lee High Road. You know, people that hopefully
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  Speaker 1: from listeners here will know that road. But there'd be
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  Speaker 1: fifteen trusting Lee High Road and it's only maybe a
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  Speaker 1: mile long. There'd be fifteen people hunting that and it's
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  Speaker 1: like everybody hunted there. It was just where they're in place,
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  Speaker 1: you can hunt. And as the years went on, they
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  Speaker 1: implemented the ant restrictions some zones, and the states started
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  Speaker 1: buying up some old farms. Farmers were, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: to the state. So the state bought a lot of
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  Speaker 1: especially in Cell Jersey, a lot of farms, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of big farms, and they started like piecing some things together,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, on a short amount of time, it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like the state land grew really quickly. And it
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  Speaker 1: was nice for us public land guys, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: it gave us a little room to spread out. And
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  Speaker 1: North Jersey, they said, you got the morthern state forests.
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  Speaker 1: There's Jenny Jump, there's Stoked State Forest, massive blocks of
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  Speaker 1: unbroken timber, I mean huge for a small state. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we're the Garden state. So people think New Jersey, they
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  Speaker 1: don't think Guarden State. But there's a lot of across,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of farms north central End Sound, so you
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  Speaker 1: can hunt any type of terrain you want. New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: We have the mountains, we have unbroken you know, the
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  Speaker 1: pine barrens, unbroken timber, just sandy soil, big rat bucks,
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  Speaker 1: tiny bodies. You know, we got farm deer. I mean
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  Speaker 1: we have salt marsh. You know, you can learn to
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  Speaker 1: hunt deer and any type of terrain that a deer
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  Speaker 1: exists across the country. It's a it's a good state
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  Speaker 1: to learn. So you said you did you start hunting
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  Speaker 1: deer on public? Yeah, I've first, you know, always hunt
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  Speaker 1: the public. My dad, you know, we he was a
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  Speaker 1: shift worker or two punts. Know, he's struggled, family six.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not like we had money to splurge on
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  Speaker 1: leases if or even like permission. We'd get a few
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  Speaker 1: pieces here and there, but basically just wherever we can
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  Speaker 1: get in. You know, canoe mostly could do. We did
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  Speaker 1: a lot of canoe on um. But yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 1: public climber. Being a used to the term mobile hunter.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my first climber climber tree stand was a
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  Speaker 1: Baker like my dad's baker that death trap. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I went with you know, I had the Baker tree
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  Speaker 1: stand and it was so heavy. I was tiny. When
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  Speaker 1: I got in a hunting it was hard for me
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  Speaker 1: to climb up more than ten feet, like I was exhausted.
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  Speaker 1: And then the log I had a light hang on
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  Speaker 1: with scrown steps, which we weren't allowed to use, but
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  Speaker 1: my dad we did anyway because that's what everybody did.
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  Speaker 1: And loggy body climbers, um lone Wolf climber, lone Wolf,
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  Speaker 1: hang on and then in the saddles, and that's been
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've been mobile since day one. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I have the exact same kind of origination story. I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't hunt solely public land when I first started,
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  Speaker 1: but we hunted a lot of it, and I was
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  Speaker 1: mobile just because we didn't. We had one stand like
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was you put it up, you took
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  Speaker 1: it down, you know. And I remember, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: climbers came out, it was like, oh my god, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be the answer to all our problems.
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  Speaker 1: And then you take them out, and you know, those
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  Speaker 1: early ones were horrible, but the best we had. So
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  Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna figure out how to make it worse.
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  Speaker 1: And the worn and sweat plywood tree stand had like
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  Speaker 1: the rubber strap in order of the APIs with the
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  Speaker 1: chain wrapped the rubber like the motorcycle chain. Yeah. Lord,
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  Speaker 1: people don't know how good that. People just get into
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  Speaker 1: Honeynail had. It's a really good time to be a hunter.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean I think you know, when
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  Speaker 1: I started out, I had I think it was I
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  Speaker 1: think it was Amaker was the company, and it was
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  Speaker 1: you know, crazy heavy steel stand chain like you said,
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  Speaker 1: but you know it's it's what we had. And then
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  Speaker 1: my dad would make stands out of wood, but he
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  Speaker 1: would make like a a platform that would attach with
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  Speaker 1: a chain. So they were like forty seven pounds and
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  Speaker 1: they were built like this is really hard to describe,
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  Speaker 1: but they were built like with a almost a chamber
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  Speaker 1: below them, so the supports in the platform and everything
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  Speaker 1: would form like three quarters of a box almost, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And so you'd knock that top of that stand and
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  Speaker 1: it would just echo through the bottom of there, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just like these they were such pieces of shit.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, if we had spots where
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to hang a stand like on a field
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  Speaker 1: edge or something and just leave it, like that's what
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  Speaker 1: we used. And man, you're right, like the way that
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  Speaker 1: we can hunt now in the access I mean, even
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  Speaker 1: the clothing we have access now to its like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know we sound old, but man hunters today the
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  Speaker 1: advantages are so different, you know, but it seems like
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of leveled off with pressure. Sure, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like it's if you're if you're not onto something exclusive,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like even though we have really you know,
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  Speaker 1: banging equipment now and a lot of advantage that way,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, man, if you're not on something that you're
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  Speaker 1: paying to hunt you, the whole thing levels off quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit just because you have a lot more pressure
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  Speaker 1: out there. We agreed, it's uh I mean New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's one of the most populated states in the region.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like you can I mean I deal with
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  Speaker 1: people either from eyeshine, you know, ladder stands, baitings, legal,
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  Speaker 1: crossbowings legal like the last ten years and like now
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  Speaker 1: with technology, sell cameras and all this stuff. It's I think,
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  Speaker 1: Hay call it the game, but it is completely changed,
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  Speaker 1: m changed, dear, you know, and it makes it finding
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  Speaker 1: a big buck a little more difficult because now everybody
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  Speaker 1: has I've seen more cell cameras this year than uh
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  Speaker 1: I care to even like imagine, like everybody's running cell
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  Speaker 1: cameras and people that would never hunt, you know, or
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  Speaker 1: going into the wood because we're getting the picture of
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  Speaker 1: you know, a picture of a deer most some you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I get pictures of people and it's like wow,
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  Speaker 1: Like Dud's going in at three pm. It gets dark
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  Speaker 1: at five thirty. I'm like, man, this isn't like the
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  Speaker 1: Big West. Like it's like but they say it on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: but they see it on TV, you know, like it's
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  Speaker 1: a It makes being on Big Deer on a regular
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  Speaker 1: basis very difficult. If you're not in it, like like
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  Speaker 1: really in it. New Jersey will beat you up and
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  Speaker 1: like you gotta want it, like in a different way
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  Speaker 1: than most people. Do you know, you might you might
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  Speaker 1: go months without saying a good deal, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: or you could be on them, you know from from
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  Speaker 1: day one? Do you do you have pretty uh like
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  Speaker 1: pretty liberal harvest out there, because I mean when you
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  Speaker 1: talk about that and being able to being able to
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  Speaker 1: bait public, private and you know, cross bowl legalization all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. Is it is it just a matter of
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  Speaker 1: you know, your state game agency go. You know, there's
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  Speaker 1: only so many places people are even allowed to hunt
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  Speaker 1: in this state and so they won't kill dead. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we can kill five bucks from September to January. Have
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  Speaker 1: you ever did a year where you killed five three
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  Speaker 1: is the most I've gotten. And it was like where
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  Speaker 1: you have seasons where you can't do anything wrong. Like
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  Speaker 1: you was walking out and was like, oh there's a
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  Speaker 1: buck boom. Like that year I killed three three of
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  Speaker 1: my bucks off in the ground. Uh you know the
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  Speaker 1: one I killed him. I didn't find him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: until after a fact, but you know he was he
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  Speaker 1: was dead. But uh yeah, So you can kill a
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  Speaker 1: lot of bucks if you want. Um, it makes in
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  Speaker 1: some areas. You know. It's not to knock anybody, you know, um,
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  Speaker 1: But if you have a good like two or three
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  Speaker 1: years ago, we had a lot of I had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of great young deer, a lot on camera. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen him. I was like, man, it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: banger year. And then we had an extreme cold front
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  Speaker 1: during like dode musload or in January, and next year
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  Speaker 1: it was like a ghost town. Like all these dear
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  Speaker 1: got smoked, you know, because these tier never experienced cold
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  Speaker 1: like that. And there's gonna be a poll of corn
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  Speaker 1: or a cut cornfield at least hear a pond out
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  Speaker 1: there to eat and two hundred yard musload or you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just you're just picking them off. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that's gun clubs. You know, all that stuff. Gun
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  Speaker 1: clubs come through. You got a lot of nice young beer.
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  Speaker 1: Like said, not not to say anything bad about that,
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  Speaker 1: as hunting is hunting, you know, but if the dude
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  Speaker 1: gets excited for a four pointer, you know, or a
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  Speaker 1: six pointer, hey have at it. Man. But you have
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  Speaker 1: ten people, twenty people doing that, well you really put
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  Speaker 1: a hurting on the next ear hurt, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: guess anyway you would deal with it would be the
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  Speaker 1: extreme weather, the snowfall. You know, extreme snowfall, you get
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  Speaker 1: to winter kill. Well, we have good you know, shotgun kills.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the same thing. Like some spots it's like
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing here, you know, and it's like you gotta
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  Speaker 1: wait two or three years. It gets you know, some
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  Speaker 1: age back in that area. Yeah, and sometimes it never
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  Speaker 1: comes back, depending on the pressure. When when they say
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  Speaker 1: I always think, you know, when this state game agencies
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  Speaker 1: like you know what, how about a five buck limit,
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  Speaker 1: that's like just that's like saying, how about just shoot
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  Speaker 1: unlimited bucks? Yeah, I mean because and very few people
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  Speaker 1: are going to fill that limit, but they're they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to stop. Yes, it's and that's too with like
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  Speaker 1: bo and gone like Jersey. I mean they'll they make
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  Speaker 1: you buy a regular fall bow and then the end
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  Speaker 1: of October you have to buy a permit bow, which
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  Speaker 1: is another twenty eight dollars and twenty eight dollars because
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  Speaker 1: you gotta buy a permit and then you gotta buy
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  Speaker 1: a buck tag and then a permit for the zone
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  Speaker 1: you're hunting. So have you hunt like I hunt three zones? Well,
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  Speaker 1: for permit bow, it will cost me one hundred bucks
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  Speaker 1: to hunt, plus the twenty eight dollars to original license.
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  Speaker 1: And then if I want a gun hunt, well there's
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  Speaker 1: another thirty bucks. And I want to win a bow hunt,
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  Speaker 1: there's another thirty bucks. A Jersey William to death. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they keep you coming back. Have you seen you kind
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  Speaker 1: of alluded to just a high amount of pressure the
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  Speaker 1: whole your whole life hunting out there? Have you seen
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  Speaker 1: an uptick in like the last five years. Are you
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  Speaker 1: seeing more people out there? I'm seeing more people by
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  Speaker 1: boat for sure. Um, a lot of you know, with
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  Speaker 1: YouTube and that this generation of hunting, I guess hunters
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  Speaker 1: they say it, they do it so crossbows legal. So
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  Speaker 1: we get a lot of gun hunters that are are
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  Speaker 1: bow hunting now with the crossbow, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: gun hunters come in by boat. Well now that I'll
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  Speaker 1: come in by with the crossbow. So a lot of
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  Speaker 1: my spots that were good fall are not so good anymore.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Some of the swamps were just it's just not there.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: It's and it's it's not worth it to wake up
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: at two to catch a tie to go hunt somewhere
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: or paddle you know, you know far and Walter's waist
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: deep swamp for a mediocre buck if you will. You know,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: it's and like you said, it's hit or miss. Like
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: some years it's amazing. Other years she's like out here
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: for like five days, Megan, I ain't seen a theater.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I ain't heard them. I smell them like no splashing
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: in the water, you know, And it's like, oh, but
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: that's just that's the way it goes. I guess anywhere
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: do you feel like? So I'm assuming when you say
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: that that you used to have used to do some
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: water access and it worked out pretty well for you.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And now because I feel the same way, like there
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: used to be some tricks like that you could get
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: away from people, and it feels like there's no secrets
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: left and I know like if you if you're listening
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to this and you hunt out west and you el
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: cont or whatever and over the counter unit, it's the
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: same deal, Like, yeah, there's not You're not going to
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: outwork the competition, like you just there's no there's no hide,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you know, honey hidie holes. I guess if you will anymore.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Like the everybody's got an aerial map whatever software using
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: You've got up to date imaging of as it's happening,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you know. So it's like it's hard to find, you know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: those spots that were before you found them by accident, Like, oh,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: what's this? You know when you twenty years ago you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: find the funnel all this buck side, you know what
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it is? You honey, you start killing some deer, seeing
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: some deer, and now you look at it, you're like, oh,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: it's a funnel because you got this, but when you're
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: in it, you don't know what's there. It's like all
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: those bucks sides are hunting. You're killing now from air
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and filter are like, oh, you know, it's like hunting
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the mountainsick saddle. So you go to any mountains terrain
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: saddles each seem to pick out. You go to almost
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: every saddle human side, and deer will avoid them, even
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: though it's a good bottle neck go the will a
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: pinch point if you will, dear, just avoid them u
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: during honey hours. So bottlenecks around here in farm country
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and swamp same way. And these deer are just they're
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: really you know, they're surviving and they're they're thriving in
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: some areas. Man, I think and listen. I love on X,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I love the tools that we have, but man, that
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the way that that sort of leveled things off for
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: people is incredible. I mean you just think about you know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: we're right in the heart of winters outing right now,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: and this is the time when you get in and
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: try to find rubs and figure some of that stuff out.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And you know you used to just like stumble across
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a little island in the swamp or something, you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, man, like this is freaking money.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: And now anyone, like almost every hundred eld there can
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: pull up their phone and find that and you know
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: whether they'll do the work to get in there. But
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: even if only a couple of people do, or you know,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: like you said, you know, if you wait for that
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: time to roll in and you go in, you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you think, man, like, not very many people are going
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to go buy a thousand dollars fifteen hundred dollars kayak
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: just for that, Like no tons of people do that. Yeah,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that shit's everywhere now. And it's like i I've last
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: year and even this year, like hunting, I've I've kind
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: of put my phone in my pocket and I've gotten
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: away from like trying to find precise pinpoint spots, and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I've let just the deer sign and the thrain just
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: go very old school, you know, and I find something,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I'll just mark it real quick, you know, and then
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: it kind of makes it fun again, less like a
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: less monotonous. You know. I'm just kind of like I'm
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: almost like still hunting. I'm just falling the sign and
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm finding areas, especially like some of the big
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: woods I'm hunting by here by my house. You know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I'm finding areas that's got zero human pressure because you
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: look at the map, they're like there's nothing that's making that.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: You know, hunters go, oh what's this? Do you know
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: that this is a spot where people don't go, So
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, party over here, and sometimes it's it
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: might even be a hundred yards off a cart root
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: or fifty yards off the car room. Everybody's just you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: now with the e bikes too, we gotta deal with
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the e bikes. They just blow right on pass. And
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: these bucks are just hanging out watching all these people,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you know, And I guess they've probably always always done that,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: but I find that more and more, and there's overlooked
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: spots and random spot people just wall pasted. Yeah, dude,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I find that too. Where you know, if I'm scouting
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: bluffy country or river bottom country with like limited cover
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: or real terrain, that's easy to read. It's like everybody
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is at the same level. But if you get into
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: some of that mono habitat, like big wood stuff where
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you know, an elevation change of twenty feets a big one. Yeah,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Then when you get into that stuff and everything from
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: overhead kind of looks the same, then you start realizing
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: like the subtlety of deer movement and sign and I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: think I'm with you right there too. One, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: like especially right now, when you're winner scouting, I'll pick
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: out spots on on X or whatever, and they're like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go look at that. But the interesting
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: stuff I find most of the time is between that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and something else, just like following a whim. Yeah, total total.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It's not random because you're you know, you're using your
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: instincts that we've you hold over the years. But it's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: those spots that I find. My biggest Bucks buck sign
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: like and the big ones by my house. Three years ago,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I stom upon like hammer signpost rob It's like thirty
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: of in this one little block. So I put a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: bunch of cameras out there and it's like a big
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: buckle roll through there. But he would never rub on
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a rub. There's always the little guys big Bucks new
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it was just you know, these little guys would tear
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: up the rubs like you have big old seedars and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: everything look real tall, you know, like nice dear. But
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the bigger ulder box would never rub. Some of the
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: bigger Bucks don't scrape. They just know that this is
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: a hot spot for some reason. I still can't figure
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: out why all these rubs there, because there's no terrain,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: there's no nothing, there's no edge. It's just a spot.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I think people don't go and it's probably been that
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: way for years. Because someboy's rubs are old and it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a smack dab in the middle of like nothingness, and
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: it's like it was by pure accident I found them,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: like I remember it, like because it's like the we
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of snow and so you can
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: kind of see and that's just seen this rub just
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: like like a beak and way out there. I was like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and I love rubs, big rubs, you know, and I've
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: seen that. I was like, I know what that is.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And I've been in that piece of woods for least
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years, and I'm like, you market, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it's like I don't even whether it is that, like
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it's there's no nothing, but all the bucks come through there.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: It's just a weird, strange place. But it's so hard
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to get to unless I can like, you know, air
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: drop from a parachute, you know, like you have to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: cross so many deer trails and so much laurel and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: so much brier swamp to get to it, Like you
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: kind of only get worn through sits. So if it
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: ain't there, it's like you wait for that mid November
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and it's like nothing but the sign and the sum
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: of the trail kind of pictures like that's a spot
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to be. It might take me three or four years
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: kill a deer there, but that's where I'll be. Yeah, dude,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes because I think we look at a
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: concentration or rubs like that like that. To me, that's
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: my favorite thing. Like if I find lots of rubs
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: in a really tight area, I'm super interested in that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And I think we look at it a lot of
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: times and we sell this like, Okay, that's a staging
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: area because they bed it over here and they feed
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: over there, or you know, there's like some dear explanation
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: for it. But I think a lot of times, like
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, it's because people aren't there, and so
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you have a whole bunch of bucks who know that's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: one spot. And so I don't know if that's correlated,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you know, you bump into a bunch of strangers, if
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that's correlated to making more sign in that spot, just
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: because there's so much like deer scent there. But it
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: makes me wonder because when you see, I've got a
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: buddy who owns some land in southwestern Wisconsin runs cameras
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: on there all year and he has like Brassica plot
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: for a late season hunk, you know, and you get
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: these bucks that you've never seen, like they weren't there
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: off fall or summer, and all of a sudden, when
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you know the weather really sucks and they need that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: food source, you put all these deer who don't really
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: know each other together and then you're getting you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like images like over and over a bucks fighting and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: testing each other out. And I'm like, I wonder if
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: on public land during the season, there's just places where
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the bucks are like holy shit, like I gotta get
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: somewhere where people aren't and all the bucks, maybe not
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: all of them, but a lot of them figure it out,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and they're just more prone to being a little more aggressive,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: have been making sign and just like just because they're
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: all there together, I've I firmly believe that, you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I had a conversation with a guy the Harrisbrook Show
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: about ropes because he's like, I found all these robes
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, explaining my thoughts and robes,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and we kind of came to the same conclusion. You know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: it's just an area that a lot of pressure from
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: all around, and the pressures come from the out and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: it's pushing the deer into the center, and most people
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: aren't going to put that work to get in there,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: especially like in October and November, because it's still a
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, there's a lot of high stemcounts
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: stuff still happening. And often remember it's you can't see
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: very far, you know, limited visibility, but fear you know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: or they use all their senses. They have a lot
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: better senses than we do, so they might not see well,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: but they can smell and hear, you know. So I
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: just I firmly believe that's that's what's happening there. When
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you talk about some of the stuff that you scout
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and where you hunt, it reminds me so much of
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff that I hunt, like northern Wisconsin.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: But it also reminds me when you when you think
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: about a little area you're talking about like that where
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you you know, maybe you go in and winter scout
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it now and you're like, man, at some point in
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the fall, this is where you kill that one thirty
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: because of like you know, the high stem count like
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, and just just like the location of it,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: then you go do a hunt like in Iowa that
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: we talked about that. You said you never wanted to do,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and you're like, I want to find that because my
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: instincts tell me find that spot and it doesn't exist,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't freaking matter, Like you don't. You're you're
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: looking for something you don't even need because it's it's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: like the only way to get it done in some places,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and totally I wouldn't say irrelevant, but not nearly as
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: important in a place with a you know, a high
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: amount of deer and maybe not the most pressure out
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: there in a lot of like good quality deer. And
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: it's so it's like, it's weird how different this becomes
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: in the different places that you can hunt. And there's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: parts like I've hunted some private farms in Jersey and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: like there's a couple of guys into the hunt Central
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Jersey and nake kill I mean hammer deer, but they
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: have five six hund acres. But the pressure, you know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a couple forms a hunted deer behave a lot better
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: than than the public. I wouldn't say it's Midwestern like,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: but the deer come out and fields they daylight at
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: four o'clock in the afternoon. You're like, because it's like,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not used to this. It's like hunting field edges
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and hedgerows. I'm like, it's farm to me because I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: don't do it. So I sat and field edges or
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: hedgerows and I feel naked because I'm like, what am
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I doing out here? There's nothing going to happen. And
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: then four o'clock just pile out in the field and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: You're like, like this really happens, Like it's you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: very tv issh if you will. And you know, the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: pressure area gets extreme pressure most of you know, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: you can find some little pockets here and here with
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: no pressure. But these dear have been pressured your whole life,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: so it don't really take much, you know, from them
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: deer to alter into survival mode, you know. And we
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: have that early season in September, you know, a second week,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: but you have to shoot a dough where you shoot
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a buck, which is just earn a buck, they call it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Like I've passed so many good deer, Like opening morning,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: like here comes a hammer and I'm like I was
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: just there's a group of dose here all week long.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Opening morning, here comes to hammer. I'm like, hey, all right,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I've never seen you before. But you know, it's like
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: a very frustrating time in September. But a lot of
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: people are running cameras, a lot of people are baiting,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: running minerals say they're pressure and deer even for the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: season starts, you know. And I've noticed that change in
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the last ten years, I'll say last five years, it's
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: gotten extremely difficult to get on good bucks, you know
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: without really you'll blowing them out, you know, because prime
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: example last year in Delaware, pretty much high pressure area.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: These bucks were coming out into the field, the bean field,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: this little pocket and I had a camera there all
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: summer and then we decided to go down and hunt it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: And I pulled a camera like after the third day
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: because we've seen some trucks there, so we didn't hunt it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: A bunch of boot tracks. A guy walked for like
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: three days for a season. A hunter walked the edge
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: of the field with his family, you know, walked the beans,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the bucks, big old the seven pounter came in, smelled
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: it going. Now like so there's a whole week, like
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: he was there like for hours on end. Like I
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: got hundreds and hundreds of pictures here in a short time,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: like this was this cool area. He smelled one human,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: it was out, and all the other small bucks skill
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: came out, but like the two mature ones, we're like, nope,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: we're out. So it just took one encounter with the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: human and farmers walked that field edge all the time,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you know, like human scents not foreign to him. But
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: it took a guy that was a little more human scent,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: probably died in the woods a little bit, and that
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: buck was like, ah, deuces, and it was like I've
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: never seen him. We hunted down it, We hunted him
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: pretty hard, and he just was never be founding it. Didn't.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: You know, my buddy was hunting there a few times.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I think so that I wish every hunter could learn
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that lesson quick because man, there are situations where you
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: can bump them around and they're not that sensitive to it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: But when you're dealing with deer that are, it's an
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: eye opener. I had that happened to me. I must
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: have been about three years ago in Minnesota on a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: private farm that I have, where it's like you might
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: kill a good one opening night on a field, like
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you just might because they're they're not onto it yet.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And I had I had a spot. The year before,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I killed a really good one opening night, and so
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I hung a camera there the next year, still elf alfa,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: like may you know maybe right? Yeah, And I had
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: quite a few good ones coming out using it, like
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: fighting in the field right by the stand, Like I
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: was like, this is going to happen again, you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And I should know better because I never do. Lightning
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: never strikes twice for me. Like if I kill a
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: buck here, I might as well write that spot off
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: forever because it's over. But I had that camera on
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: video mode and went out there and say it wasn't
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: a cell camera. I went out there and sat opening
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: nights a few doughs. It was just dead. So I
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: checked the camera. And the day before the season, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: had a different hunter walk in there walking his dog
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: blasting Motley crue like you hear the whole thing, you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and walked in there onto the trail of those bucks,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: come out and hung a camera on it. And he
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: even had his daughter with him, and his daughter said,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: whose camera is that? Like I heard the whole exchange
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and just shut it down. I mean they were just like,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: we're not using this anymore, and I just wish, like
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I wish you could know, like that's that impact is
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: like it's not little, like that can be a really
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: bad deal, and so you think about it. We never
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: look at that for ourselves, like it's always this dipshit
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that walks in there that you're like, oh, I hate
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: that guy because he blew my dear out. We never
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: think it were the dipshit, but we are all the time.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: And the more that you you hunt those kind of deer,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the more you learn, and like your presence is is big. Well,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I remember, you know, we grew up, they said a
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: long time ago. But reading articles from Miles Keller, like
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: his thought process like groundset, you know, and all that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: stuff like groundset is so important to understand. How you're
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: set is what you're going to set, you're gonna leave
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: like tall grass, short grass, do dowey grass. And if
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you if a big buck cut your track, you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and it's fresh with a new pressure area. They know
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of a two hour track versus ceo a two day
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: old track, but they know humans in here and you're
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they're usually not here. They're going to insurvival mode for
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: most part most bucks, you know, there might be a
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: few outliers at just like they're so crafty they don't
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: really bother them. But I think any bucks that shot
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: at any any kind of one hundred stops about that
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: buck knows like, well, I know what that is, you know.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: So I was like those moments you're just educating news dear.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: You're going to check your camera, you know, or hunting
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the wrong winds, your groundset, not paying attention to your
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: intron exit it Really you're helping the deer and you're
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: hurting yourself. Do you find you know, being in a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: state New Jersey, it's a little bit weird because a
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: lot of states allow baiting on private but not public.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But it's wide open there. Do you see like with
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: your trail cameras you go pop a trail camera on
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: a tree, do you see like do you get negative
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: reactions on that? Because I know where I hunt in Wisconsin,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: they can bait and man if I put a camera
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: out and those those deer blow up on it like
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: they are not tolerant of it. Yeah, they some of
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the higher end models. Um Like, I don't buy high
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: end modeling more because I get a lot stolen, so
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I buy cheaper ones and they're noisy. There's something going on,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: there's an audible click, you know, you can barely hear it,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you know, or like the red anything any camera I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: got that's red than deer onto it. They they're spooky.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: They're a cage especial video that it stays red long
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: time you see it, especially like older dose. Older dos
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: are the worst. I mean, they get up to it
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and they smell it, and you know, so I try
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: to set my cameras up high, and I do. I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: do my best to wear rubber gloves and rubber boots
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: when checking cameras because I know, like you're especially you
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: when it's hot out, you touch your face. I know
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it's not going to help much, but it does help some,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: you know, to get your set up a little bit higher,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and not to be touchy grabby with the bark, you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: especially does mature does Jersey or I think they're harder
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: to hunt than a mature buck because you have her
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: plus her whole, you know, thirty other deer sheep bread
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and list five years with her, you know, if she's
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: onto something, all the rest is on something. Yeah, yeah, nobody,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: We've We've done episodes on this. I've written about this.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Nobody talks about that, how how a game does are?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you? And when you talked about earn a buck
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: there I you know, when I first started hunting Wisconsin,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: some parts had earned a buck. And man, you want
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to be reminded that you're not the greatest deer hunter
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: in the world. Have to shoot a dough before you
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: can kill a buck. That can That can give you
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: like anxiety attacks because it's when all of a sudden,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: when you're not just like, oh, at any given point
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: in the season, if a doe walks by, a might shooter,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: when you're like, I have to target one and I
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: have to make it happen. That's a different deal. It's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: a I shot this old dough. I had her aged out.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: She was eight and a half and I hunted her.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: She had short, little stubby legs, you know, I knew
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it was her, but she was a made shark, you know.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: And there was this old wooden stand. Every time like
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: falling down. Every time she went by this stand, she
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: would literally rustle her feet in the leaves to get that,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you know, because I'm sure when she was a falling
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you know, yearling, her mom showed her or a hunter
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't there, so she would literally stare at the stand
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: it's fallen down in a tree. But she knew that
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: was dangerous. So anything that was like horizontal, up in
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the up in the air, she was not having it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: And whenever I hunted, she would pick me out. I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: don't care if I was, you know, ten feet on
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the ground or twenty. She came in that wood lot,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: she would just like look around and she would pegged
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: me every time. I finally killed her in winter Bow
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: for a first day of winter Bow a few years ago,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and she came in blowing. The win was good. She
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: came in the wood lot blowing. I don't know why,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: but she was on edge. She came in. I had
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a good ground, like everything was perfect. She was on edge,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: like she just knew als in that wood lot, and
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: she got all way up to my tree, you know,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: like came right out to the base of their tree.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, she knows exactly where I'm at, you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I bounced all around, But she got in that wood
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: lot and I don't know if she see me like skylighted,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: you know, in the dark or whatever, but she came
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: rinking and based their tree in the dark, and then
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: kind of pulled out and right at first light, I
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: just let her have it, you know, and it was
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: like the greatest accomplishment as far as like winter Bow
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: hunt or even you know. She was a big dough
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: old dough like teeth, like she had a big infection
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: in her face. She probably would have died. You know,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: she had like three babies in her But she was
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: probably the toughest eater I've ever hunted. And I specifically
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: targeted her because she beat my ass so many times.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta kill you at a sheer principle,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: like I can't go out like this. Well, I mean,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: think about an eight and a half year old deer.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: That's like the equivalent of a ninety year old person
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: who's never left their town, right, Like they live in
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: a town of eight thousand people and they've never left
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: it their entire life. Like they know everything, you know
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: what I mean? That deer has been out there every
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: day for eight and a half years, Like you're not
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: you know, you hang a new stand, you hang a
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: new camera, and she walks by, She's going to be
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: aware of that. Yeah, yeah, she was. Those kg dos
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: are you know, and they blow up a lot of
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: my good spots, especially like during the run, like they
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: have a they have a better sense than I think
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the Bucks, you know, because Bucks are loved you'll come November.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: They're just you know, love struck zombie walking paying attention
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: half the time. But those does always are always on alert. Yeah,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the sort of unspoken real
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: challenges of being a public land hunter primarily is you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: if you if you get on really badass private land,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of those does get a lot of passes,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: like they you know, just like the Bucks do, right,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: But you get on public land and those deer, even
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: if they're coming into a bait pil and they weren't
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: going to get shot by this guy, the next bait pile,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: somebody's going to shoot at them, and they spend their
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: whole life on a hit list or everybody's hit list,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and that cumulative pressure is real and you you have
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to beat them if you're going to get a buck.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: And it's not it's like we kind of it's sort
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: of like a throwaway thing we don't really give enough
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: credit to. But it's a big problem for a lot
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, it's a I could don't open a
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: night this year, and I was like, man, this is
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: a year. And I didn't see until like in of October,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like September. I was just getting just gut punched by
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the deer. Like I wasn't seeing no bucks, Like I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: got a buck tag for the first time in years,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: and nope, it was like a ghost out. Man. I
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: was like, and I really wasn't even seeing the doze
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I just wanted to shoot something.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: It was a it was a very difficult season and
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: all that scouting I did, like the year prior, the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: last couple of years, and somebody spots. It was like
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I never even scouted. Simon was not there, the robs
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: weren't there, the deer weren't there. And I'm kind of
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: curious now because I saw have cameras out that I
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: sat in like September and somebody spots, like I just
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: want to go see if it turned my holl on,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: you know, Like our season just started thirty first January,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: so I'm just starting to start start my scouting stuff now,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: so I'm kind of curious see whether this deer went
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and maybe it's food oaks, different crops, it could be
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: pressure bait piles. I need to figure it out because
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: like I worked on my entry and exits, I did
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: all this everything that you're supposed to do, and it
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: was like, there's not here, and you feel kind of
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: defeated because you like, this is the year everything's going
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to happen, and like nothing. So it's like I like
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: that because it's like I got my butt kicked, and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I love that. I love having that like front of
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: my face every time I go out, come out, I'm
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: not seeing at the air and I'm like, all right,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: all right, what is your plan then? Though, So you
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: come off a season because I think there's a really
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: good lesson there and a lot of people I'm talking
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: to they're like, man, I got my ass kicked last year,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Like I you know, just it just happens. But so
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: you've had cameras out there soaking, so you'll get a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: pretty good glimpse into what was happening through those. It's
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: not going to answer all your questions. What's your like
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: winter scouting strategy to go, Okay next year? This isn't
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: happening to me. I'm gonna be on them more. What
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: are you what are you looking at? I'm looking for
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: because I said the rub lines, and you know, those
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: rubbing areas of staging errors weren't there, so they got
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to be somewhere else, you know, and I need to
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: figure out like where they went. And I do believe
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it's going to be it's it's likely food or pressure.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I gotta figure out maybe somebody's coming in from private
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: because some of the spots it's like you got one
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: trawl head the anybody to get to somebody spots like
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you gotta park here, there's no other way around it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: So maybe somebody's coming in by four wheeler, you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: e bikes. Like I need to figure out what change
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: from these last couple of years. So for me, it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: trying to go back to the drawing board and having
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: like a clean slate, like all right, there's nothing here.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I have grid services. During hunting season, I didn't find anything.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: So now I'm gonna go here and just like quadrant
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: scout it, you know, because I got kids, wife, so
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I have a little four hour blocks on the weekend,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: so I like to just I'm gonna scout this five
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: piece I my blank get up into four blocks, you know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and then for you know, Saturday, Sunday two weeks in
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: a row. I'm gonna scout these, you know, up and down,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: up and down, zig zag them and really hopefully either
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: write that place off or see what I need to see.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And usually it said it's pressure and food. Could be
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: somebody with a ladder stand and they could be bait
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and all summer you know, who knows. I have to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: go find out why it happened. When when you break
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: a property up like that and you talk about winner
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: scouting it, you know, we talk all the time about
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: looking for rubs. You know, if you don't have any snow,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: you can look for last season scrapes, trails, whatever the usual.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: But it sounds like you're looking for a lot of
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: human signed too, and that's like for me, I know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that's like half the battle on public. I'm like, where
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: are the stands? Where are the piles of garbage? Like?
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Where are the tack trails? Is that what you're looking
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: for too? Yes, exactly. I'll go out at night too,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Like I'll get out of Udeo and it's super early,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: when it's still dark out and look for eyeshine because
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I know, you know you can go to you know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: see eyeshine. Every eyeshine I see, I go up and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: look at it. If it's an old tat rusty tag,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: if it's the new triangle shape one or whatever square was.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: And I know in certain areas there's never been eyeshine.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well that's new. I need to see where
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: that's going, you know, and like going in the daytime,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: you don't know that. So I'll go in a night,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: late night, early morning, two am if I can't sleep.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I was going to look for eyeshine, you know, near
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the trailhead and stuff like that. I try to do
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: things that most people won't because we talked about earlier
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: there is no secrets out there, you know. So it's
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: like there is no secret you know, trailheads or canoe launches,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: you know, or anything. Now there's ebikes, you know, canoes, kayaks.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: So I just trying to go where people aren't because
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: if you're seeing people, you're not seeing big bucks, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: so you avoid the people. I find you'll start to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: see more deer sign And to break it down a
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: little bit further, is rub size. If I'm finding a
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: bunch of saplings rubs all over place, you know, like
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: little rubs, you know, it's a little dinker. If there's
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a bunch of them. There's probably a doge group with
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you know. Uh, it's her first year, you know, so
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: she might be trailed around. So I'm looking for bigger,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: dear sign, taller rubs away from people, away from human sign,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: do you So you don't give a whole lot of
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: like credence to small rubs on average, now, um, but
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: sometimes they will if it's a rub line, yes, But
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: if it's like just you know, oaks, you see where
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: there's like rubs and scrapes all over the place, usually
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: as young deer doing that, you know, I'm looking for
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: that isolated big old scrapes or I just need one
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: big hammer rub to get me excited, you know, like
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I see one good tall room and by hammer I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: mean not necessarily diameter, but height. You know, I want
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to I want to see time marks up in my
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: chest that all right, there's a wider deer here, or
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: deer with longer times, you know, because if I'm seeing
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: rubs that are like a foot off the ground and
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: you know I'm I doesn't necessarily get me excited. Yeah,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: unless it's a trail like a rub line, like I'll
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: follow them. But I love rub lines because you can
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: find some hidden gems, you know, especially big woods, you
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: find it a long time, like it's hard to follow
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: rub line. If you can mark it now on your
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you're whatever software using, you know, and you can kind
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: of see how this year moving through different types of terrain.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: You know, you go back to Google Earth and you
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: look at the time of year, like, oh, he's following this.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You know, this this soft edge in the mature hardwoods
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: there you don't necessarily see unless you were actually walking
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: that scene rub line that the deer was. Yep. I mean,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the you know, I've talked
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: about this a lot, like I'm not a big bed guy, Like,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I like them whatever, but I don't I
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: don't build a strategy around finding individual beds very often.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: But man, my favorite winter scouting is in big woods stuff.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And if I find that like knob or something where
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: there's a there's like a big buck bed on there,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: it's like you're gonna stand there and spend three sixteen
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: You're gonna see a rub line going down here to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the creek bottom and a rub line go and it's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like he's it's like you're talking about with those eyeshines
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: somebody leaves tack trail out there, It's like, Okay, I
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: know exactly where you started, exactly where you ended when
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you walk into an out of the woods when you stand,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: when you find those situations and you can read that
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: rub line, You're like that information so valuable. Yeah. And
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I'm primarily a bed guy, especially like October. Like I
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: have a lot of success hunting a singular bed, but
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: it's always the nine percent of time it's the rubs
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: that lead me to that bed. And He's like, hold
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: on a second. So when your winner scouting, you'll find
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: rub concentrations and you'll tie that into finding a bed
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to hunt in October. Yeah, if I find like a
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: rub line, like you know, you want to see you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: kind of where like may pull up on a map,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: like where's it going? Like maybe there's just thick it
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: over there, you know. I find a lot of beds,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: believe or not, by accident by following deer trails like
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: a walter. I'm like, man, there's ruling nothing here. You
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: look down understanding a giant, well worn bed right end
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: up here. I don't know how I got there, but
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: you're just all the train and the you know, the vegetation,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, look there's a buck bed, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and then you sit there look around like you said, oh,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: there's a rub or you know, there's you know, some
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: bucks signed over there or a big track or something.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: So I rubs and beds. I'm not a big food guy. Um,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't have myself hunting specific food. I'm
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: trying to get good at deciphering food and different types
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: of bark, but my brain canney handle so much information.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: You know. Do you think that partially your strategy, you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: of of paying attention to rubs big time and then
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: hunting beds is just built around the fact that you're
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: you're in a state where man, when everybody can bait
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: a food pattern isn't the same thing. You're not. You're
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: not dealing with us the same kind of food situation
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that you would be in a state without bait. Yeah,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: it's the first week or two, you might get some
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: beans bucks coming out their beans, But I'm never rarely
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: on the field. It's like it's probably a hundred yards.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: It's probably the closest I'll get to a field edge
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the first two weeks, and even that's a that's a
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: tough sell sometimes, you know, um, but yeah, the food
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: being food everywhere prevalent, and so I kind of just
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: adapted to like the bed hunting because a big buck
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: he'll get up out of his bed and he won't
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: move very far, like I've seen, like I've I've set
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: up on beds. I've watched the bucket up middle around
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: in his bed, take a few steps, and you're talking
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: forty there's forty five minutes of light left. He don't move,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: he doesn't move, so dark. And then it's like, now
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I'm stuck in this tree because there's like one troll
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: out of this like he's come by direction, and I'm like, oh,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: this is great. I'm gonna be here getting bit up
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: by bugs, you know, because it's like it's hot, you know,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: and it's like and you're losing that game, you know
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: if you will, because he's gonna smell you. You're in
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you're in his comfort zone. Well, that spot's going, So
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I have no problem going to the next. Like I
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: do a lot of scouting. I have a lot of spots,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: you know, so it's like one spot blows out, I'm
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: like he's out. I'll go somewhere else is that a
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: function of being a public land hunter, because I know,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, my whole thing about winner scouting is just
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to give myself options because I know that even if
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I'm perfectly careful on a little setup that I really like,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: it's maybe two sits and it's over, and so often
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: even before I get in there, it's done for whatever reason.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what reason, it's gone. And it's like
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: you can't get married to any one thing because it's
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: so fleeting. Yes, it's a I don't have you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: let's say eight. I'm kind of stubborn, but I don't
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: hold on the spots, you know, like I'm stubborn for areas,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: but like a particular tree, nope, you know, if it's
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: not there, Like I said, one sit, usually i'm going,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: especially like October, because I get I get really aggressive,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: especially in the morning, like I'm going or usually like
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: come October, every one of my sits like I'm going
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to kill, especially in the morning. I love mornings. So
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of my outing is devised, you know, to
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: capitalize on the October the law, I guess was what
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: they call it. So morning sits in October I have
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the most success hunting in the morning. I see a
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: lot of big Bucks at seven thirty in the morning
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: when most people say they're they're they're in bed before dark,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: not always, you know. So it's like it's a lot
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: of yeah, a lot of my scouting. I mean, all
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: these they are behind me there. There's only one that's
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: killed at night. They're all mornings, you know, from seven
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: to eight pm, you know, or seven to eight am.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: So a lot of my scouting is for morning setups
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: in October and income November. It's just like, you know,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: it's a free for all. You'll find it dose you
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: find a box basically is your strategy. You know, find
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: find a place where a buck's bed and find an
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: individual bed and then figure out a way to get
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: in there and beat him back there in the morning
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: in October, yes, man, exactly, Nobody talks about that. And
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: so again I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: limb here. But I think I'm right. This is probably
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: a function of there's crazy, you know, a crazy amount
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: of hunter is in around Opener. Everybody's running their bait sites.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Everybody's excited, and then they go, this isn't that much fun.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait until Halloween to really get after it again.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: And you have that two or three week window in
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: October on public land where even if your pressure is
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: fifty percent of what it is at peak, that's a
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: big difference. And then if you think, well now I'm
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: in a hunt of morning, Now you've dropped another thirty
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: percent of that pressure down, and it's like you can
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: hunt the deer for a couple of weeks. Yes, they
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I don't say they get they get less edgy, but
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I think they know, like said, the human pressure, because
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: they're born in the pressure. So if you come in
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and you add pressure, stinkyo, whatever it might be. That
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: buck's not going to run the next gun. He's got
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: nowhere to go. He's just going to just avoid area
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and make a slight change. He's not gonna go, you know,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: three hundred yards orm all away. He's just gonna shift
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: his bedding or his route fifty sixty yards. Sometimes that's
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: just nuts. That's because sometimes he has he doesn't have
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the space to go, and he's not gonna go walk
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: through open timber or a field edge. He's going to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: go to the next available thick cover, which usually it's
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: fifty or sixty yards it's not very far. So he's
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: just he's adapting to the pressure. He's not like freaking
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: out about it because you know, it's life. It's business
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: usual for them, you know, And I think a lot
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: of people will get that mixed up. Like I bumped
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: the buck. He's gone. Now he's gone for a couple
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: of days. You know, he's going to alter things, especially
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: if he gets out of his bed like super clean,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like his bed worth. He's not going to
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: bandon that, you know, like you're going to abandon like
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: something that saves your life basically now. So well, I
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: mean that's that's the way to look at it, right,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: is it. When you get out there and you're scouting
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: right now, you're looking for those places where they're they're
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: showing you, I was here in this place gave me
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: some advantages. Yeah, you know, even if you stumble through there,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: or a woodcock hunter goes through there or whatever, it's
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: not like they're going to abandon that completely that because
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: that place gives them advantages. And it's not like if
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: that buck gets killed, another one isn't going to figure
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: that out. And those those kind of situations are so important. Yes,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: and thanks. We talked about the ground sent Walking ground
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: cent is different than like setting a tree stand up
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and sitting or sitting on the ground sent like when
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: you're sitting there for long periods of time, like your
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: scent is just saturating everything. And a mature dough or
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: a mature buff like they know that, like this human
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: stopped here for a long time. But a walking trail,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's just it's the sense there,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: but it's not as perceived as a threat so much
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: like they know something up to back up a little bit,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: but they don't get that big whiff of like oh
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: my god, those humans here. You know. It's just staking
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: enough for hours on end, or a guy that hunts
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the same tree, you know, thirty times the season, you know, dude,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I remember a couple of six seven years ago, I
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: was hunting Wisconsin and I was hunting just this punk,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: this chunk of public land, and I had gone in
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and set up in this spot, and I actually saw
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: quite a few deer off and I didn't kill one,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: pulled my set out. You know. Next day I was
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: going to go in where I saw saw these bucks chasing,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: and it snowed that night, and I remember walking down
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: through there because it was off of this this little
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: two track. And then I walked by the tree that
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I was in the day before, and there was all
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: these sets of deer tracks in the snow coming up
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: to it. There was anything left in there, but they're
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: just like somebody caught a whiff of it, checked it out,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and then you could just see, like after hours when
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: it was dark, they were like, Okay, some asshole was
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: in here. They're aware of this, And I think that's
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: going to happened, dude all the time. And then I've
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: told sort of a few times. I was hout in
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: the salt marsh and like bract of salt Marcearia, and
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I had this big little buck come in. Two bucks
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: come in, and it's you know, earn a buck, so
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: you know how that goes, and he leaves him in
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the seven point of leave and then kind of look
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: back from right here, it comes a smaller buck coming
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: right to the base of my tree. I mean he came,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: he caught my ground, sent right up there. He came
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: right to my tree, and I'm looking at him. I'm like, man,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: that big box around here somewhere. I'm looking all around,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: looking all around. He's back in the shadows looking for
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: humans up in the tree, and he sees we make
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: eye contact and then he just backs right up in
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: the dark disappears. He sent that little buck to go
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: die basically because I beat him and he did not
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: want to. He wanted to know who beat him, where
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: he was and how they got there. And I was like, wow,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: like how you're supposed to kill deer like that, like
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: when this dear was old, stiffly he walked with like arthritis,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: You're like, he's seen some stuff, man, but that deer
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I beat him, and he'll really set his best buddy
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to die. Basically, well there you go, see where the
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: seior Dane's come from, and he's looking up the trees.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: So I'm like that is just unreal, Like how is
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: that even possible for a prey animal. So he evolved
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to that, you know, that level where he wants to
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: know what beat him, and he wants to see him
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: in the tree, like he needs to validate that ground
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: sent like and now you know, like he probably you
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: went and hiding that you know, probably became because strictly
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: nocturnal at that point. You know, dude, I think there's
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: such a good lesson there. And I know people will
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: listen to that and say that's b s. There's no
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: way they can communicate that way. Listen, man, I think
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the way that they're in tune to each other, we
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: can't even understand it. I don't have you ever had
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: a meal there before? No, Man, if you hunt like
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: high country meal deer where you know, like your typical
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: like late August Colorado hunt, where you're glassing up the
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: big velvet bucks, you'll see those deer. They'll be like
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: a one seventy and you know, three or four smaller
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: bucks right, and you know they're bachelored up there in
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: the high country. Those suckers will bed down and that
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: big buck will be in the best spot guaranteed. And
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: then there'll be this little century buck here on this
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: point and this one here, and you start reading it
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: and you go, you know, they didn't probably like plan that,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Like they're not saying, okay, you bed here, you bed here.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: It just like nature shakes out that way, and it's
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: like this, this little dude's got this corner, This little
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: dude's got this corner, this dude's above, and it's like
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: whether it's like intentional or totally just like a survival accident.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: They're unapproachable and you go like, that's it doesn't matter
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: whether they did it on purpose, because they beat you already.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: And I just I think that stuff's incredible. Well, let's
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: see what you see it with do betting. When you find,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: like dough betting, they bed a group of does you know,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: especially in the marsh, you know, you in the salt marsh,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: you'll see they bed down in the reads. It's one
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: point in this direction, one's going this way, one's going
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: this way. They're covered a full three sixty and it's
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: like it's ridiculous almost like you know, like a when
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: geese land in the field, you have the feeders and
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: you have the centuries. There's always somebody watching, and I
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: think you like, early season, it could be tough, you know,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: because bucks are grouped up, but you hit that beginning
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: of October, then bucks start to separate, you know, and
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: that's when that big one goes off on his own.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: And I find it's easier to kill a buck, a
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: single deer, because he just has two eyes and two
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: ears and two noses. You don't have four bucks behind him.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows stents going everywhere, so it's like or a
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: group of dose bet and so a singular buck in October.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: He's going from point A to point B. So you
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: find out where he's feeding, find out where he's betting.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't always work out that way, but
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: he's walking, he's taking his time. Shots are readily available
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: because he's a no hurry to get back to the bed,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: you know, back to that seven thirty, he's still meandering
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: back to his bed, like it's a good time to
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: be in the woods. If you understand, I think, you know,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: if you're scouting, helps you, you know, break down these
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: these areas where they're finding where they're betting, and you know,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: getting close, like I get super aggressive, you know, and
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: it's like it's not for everybody. I don't recommend that.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of times I get busted, you know,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: when it's dark out and it's like, well all this
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: work for nothing, But it's like, well it worked, he
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: was here, so it's like it's a win. It's just
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: an hour and a half too late, too soon. Yep. Well,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I think what you're talking about there is an interesting
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: point because I feel the same way when I love
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: the October low like I love middle of October when
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: when people say you shouldn't be out there, because I
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: think you get a point where those Bucks, like you said,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: they're they're not hanging out together generally, and they get confident,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: like it's almost like they're overconfident about their safety if
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: they're in a really good spot. You don't see that
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: with dose. Those are always kind of neurotic and like
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: they're worried about keeping the little ones alive. But you
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: see Bucks and it's like a it's a weakness I
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: think you can exploit because yes, you know, like you said,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: you watch that buck bed down and it's like, you know,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: you're ticking down to the last couple of minutes of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: shooting light, and you know, sometimes they get up. Sometimes
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: they don't, but a lot of times they do, and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: it's just like they're just so confident they're safe there
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: that they'll get up and go make a rub and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: start working their way down the trail. And yeah, they
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: won't be to the field for until it's a half
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: hour after dark, but they moved enough for you to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: kill them. And they just act like they're just king shit,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: like they don't have the same kind of danger and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: that that's when they kill them. Yeah, and that's it
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: scares a lot of people because it's you know, being
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: a you know, hunting a particular buck. Anybody's on a
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: particular buck for mature dear. In general, we don't have
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of mature deer in New Jersey. So there
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: might only be one four year old someone a piece
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: of money in a bunch of two and a half
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: year olds. You know, if you do all this work
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: and I've had good access, good entry, you know, good everything,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Everything was good, you know, and daybreak comes, you know,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: here comes a spike on the net bed and it's like,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: well all right, you know, like all bulls are using
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: this bad which is good, you know, like my fault
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: process guy in that peace, like all right, this is
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: a good spot for a buff to bed, Like it's
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: didn't work out for me that time, you know, And
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: that scares a lot of people. Getting that aggressive, you're
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: gonna chars. You don't scare them away, thank going anywhere
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: they got nowhere to go, like where they're going, hop
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: on a plane and go somewhere else. I mean that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: that I think we're in a weird place with that
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: kind of mentality right now though, because you know, the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: hunting industry in general sold us this idea that you
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: should be super cautious because that was coming from people
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: who could afford to wait, they didn't have they didn't
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: have any you know, like didn't do him any good
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: to go in on October tenth when nobody was going
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: to hunt their deer at all. So like, yeah, if
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: you're preaching that message like well, you shouldn't go in,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, you shouldn't go in because you don't
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: have to. But if you're hunting a place that's got
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure, like and you've scouted a lot,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: like you might as well strike now. And if you
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: don't make it happen, I mean, that's why you win
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: or scout. Now. It's so like when you do blow
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: it up, you just move on to Plan B or
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: C or D or whatever. Yeah, Like I've tagged out
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: like the first move of October and like, well shit,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: uh what do I do now? It's like, well, Delaware
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: or Pennsylvania here I come, you know, because I can't
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: get another buck tag till you know, the end of October.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: You know. But it's like it's cool to tag out early.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: But at the same time we're like it's over, Like
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I don't want to for you over, Like I want
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: to struggle a little bit more, you know. And so
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: it's like it's a it's a rewarding part of hunting,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: you know. And I've I think it was Andre or
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: or maybe Dan that talked about it's not being you know,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: you're not being careless or aggressive. You know, you're being
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: calculated and you're set up. You're not just like throwing
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: your cautions to wind, like you know where he's betted
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna come in, you know, and the wind's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be perfect for him, awful for you. You're like,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: you're you're, you're that razor's edge and you're going like,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: but it's not aggressive, it's just it's very You're it's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: very tactical and very thought out because that's the only
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: time you're gonna get a chance to that dear, you know,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: because it's you know, once October Halloween hits that bus,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: you know, berserker moode running here or there everywhere. So
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I love that October. I love scouting for October, you know,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: And like I think most of my winner scouting is
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: for those October moments, and it's just like when you're
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: focusing on rubs when you're winner scouting. Now, I mean,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I think there's a I think there's sort of a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: misconception if you go and just find a place, like
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: you were talking about, this is just ripped up, and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: you're like, man, they were here, this wasn't just one buck,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: this was and they're good ones. I think people go out,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: you know, in February, March whatever, and they see that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: and they go, man, I'm getting here on November third,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm sitting all day and I look at that,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: and I go, why don't you get there on like
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: October twentieth, yes, and kill them. And it could be
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: because of that that wild card of when the ruts,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you know, even really the pre ruts like kicking in
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: that concentration assign might not really matter that much that
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you've found in March. That's funny you said October twentieth,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: That is my day. I've killed five or six bucks
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: in October twentieth, and that is the troll camera data
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: in my visious like that is the day to be
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: in the woods eighteen to twenty. First, it's a lot
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: of day walk and a lot of big bucks are
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: on their feet. Maybe they're just checking the scene out,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: see where the food is, the does are, the human
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: pressure is, and they go back and hiding. Maybe they
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: get lucky find the hot dough, you know. But I
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: think they get up and that urge to breathe and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: they know what's going on. They had They can't be
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: super secretive, you know, they have to, you know, because
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I think older bucks want to breathe one one or
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: two times, maybe three times, and they're good. That's enough
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: for them because they've been through enough seasons where it's survival.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: You know, they've been shot it, they've been hit, maybe wounded.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: They're not going to run, you know, like a two
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: year old all over the wood chasing one or two
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: and some of these boxes want to retreat back to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: safety security, you know. I I think that that's like,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I think that's a really good thing to acknowledge because
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: when you look at how often we kind of talk
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: about this stuff, I think people don't associate. They just think, Okay,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna winter scout and it's going to be it's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: just a general plus the general benefit for me in
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: the fall, It's like I don't know. I mean, finding
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: rubs a concentration of rubs right now in the woods
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: probably doesn't do you that much good on opening night
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: next year. Maybe not for the first opening week because
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: of all the people who might be out there or whatever.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: But when those deer get into that, like, Okay, I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: know I'm getting hunted. I know I still want to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: do my thing, but like you're talking with those bucks,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be running all over the place. I'm
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: not showing myself in daylight out in the fields. That's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: the connection here, Like there's like a March to October
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: connection that's like so beneficial. And I think people kind
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: of just like they don't understand that it's not just
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: a general seasonal benefit. It's just like maybe maybe three weeks,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: maybe four weeks, but it's real important. Yeah, And and
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: scout with the purpose. You know, if you if your
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: vacation is November, you go in to Iowa, you know,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: and if you get a chance to scout II or whatever,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: it's like I'm gonna take a week off in November.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Rubs should not be on your list. You should be
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: mark them. It's cool you found them, but you should
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: be focused on is those rubs and your dough betting,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and vice versus. So I like said, I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: purposely most of my scouting is for October, you know.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I it's just you know, and I think the reason
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: for that. When I first started hunting, you had to
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: apply for a permit to hunt in November, Well you
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: weren't guaranteed a permit. Well, I think my first two
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: or three seasons I didn't get in November. My dad did,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: so I just had October and I had to wait
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: till gun season a week in December, and then nothing
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: until January. So it kind of there are a few
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: years not pulling tags, you know, getting a permit, you got,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I got four weeks to kill something. So it's like
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: you're getting that mode where it's like this is it.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I have to make these three or four weeks count,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and it's just like it's just kind of compounded through
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: years over that, you know, and then as you get older,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: jobs like I couldn't know vacation time, so it's like, well,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: come November, it's dark by time we go for work,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: but not in October. So it's like I kind of
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: just did the October thing because that's what I had.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: So it's like I'm the worst rut hunter anybody to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: tell you. Thought to Clint Johnny go like I've already
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: killed maybe what three bucks in November, maybe four. I'm
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: October guy, So it's like scout for October. I'm the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: same way. I mean, I've killed some bucks in November,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: but I'm way way more successful in September and October.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: And I mean I should say this. You know, if
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: you if you get out there scouting right now, it's
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: not like there isn't a rut benefit to it. I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: mean you might find a pinch point or a fence
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: crossing or something like a river crossing whatever. You might
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: find a train trap where you're like, yep, this is
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: a November seventh spot, but like you got to know
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: what you're looking at, right, Like that concentration of rubs
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: might not be the November seventh spot. Understanding that and understand.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: But again, two more miles you put on and you
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: find that stuff. The more you have those options as
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: your season rests, and it's it's such an advantage. And
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I remember, either you're reading or hearing like Andy may
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: talk about that those rubs, and those rubs pop up
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: there as a certain time of year. You know, these
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: rubs gonna get hot, you know, and if you have
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: a quick access you can check out him like that
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: bucks in there for only three or four days, you know,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: and that's when those rubs are kind of they're hopping off.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: So you need to be there when it happens. Maybe
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: it's the twentieth of October, you know, maybe it's the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: twenty sixth of October. You know, but you have to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: get out and check those big rub spots and be
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: ready to hunt when you're out there, because sometimes you
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: can't see it from the road, like you got to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: be in there so they are right, I'm gonna go
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: hunt this and hopefully they're there. If not, there are
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: given a three day come back in three days, you know,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: and you try to play that. You know that three
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: day I do believe three day windows is key because
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: that box will be here for a few days and
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: he's gone for a few days and come back for
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: a few days and there's on a cycle, you know,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: like hunting the Big Wood Mountain books. This is a
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: constant cycle here in Jersey is to say, smaller cycle
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: because they don't have the ability to roam as far yep.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I mean I think you know when you when you
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: talk about Andy and he's talking about that, like you
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: got that window there, you know it might be a
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: couple of days here, or you know you're talking about
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: hunting in mid October when other people aren't. I think,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: like maybe the most important lesson there from guys like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: you and Andy is you you have to go out
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: and learn when your stuff's gonna be good or when
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: when it could potentially be good. Like if you're if
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: you're listening to a whole bunch of people in the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: hunting industry and they're telling you you gotta do this,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: you gotta do that, and this is the best time
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: there's there might be some good stuff in there right
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Like there might be, but like your specific spot and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: all of these little variables a factor in there, Like okay,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: well you're in Jersey, there's a you know, people can
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: shoot five bucks, people can bait, people can do this,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: people can do that, people can cross bo hunt. It's like, okay,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: you filter all that stuff down to there. Now, what
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: do you have to do to be successful? Got to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: scout a lot. You gotta find new spots a lot,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Like you got to you gotta put in the work,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: and you could follow all the advice from a bunch
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: of hunting industry people and it wouldn't do any good
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: because your situation does not mirror there's in any way.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: And you know, like I had a conversation this morning,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Janis and I are both applying to Iowa together. He
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: wants to come out and hunt Iowa and we have
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: enough points to maybe draw, and he's like, well, we
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: got to do this in November, right, And I was like,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: I'm going in October. And he's like, well, that's the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: best option for me travel wise, But he's like like,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: how do you think it's gonna be. I'm like, it's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be freaking amazing, Like, yeah, we're gonna We're gonna
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: be all over deer, and we're gonna be there before
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: because we're gonna be hunting public land if we draw.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, even though it's Iowa, I know on
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: November one, there'll be the most people in the woods
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: that there will be all season long, for the next
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: fourteen days. I want to get in there ahead of that.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: When those bucks are starting to move a little bit
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: and they're laying down sign and everybody else is like
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting two more weeks or a week and a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: half to kill them. I can't freaking wait. Yeah, that's
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: a he said. You gotta know you're like your strengths,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: you know, like some people are better November hunters, like
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I don't. I can see those like I don't hunt dose.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: So it's like come November, like I have a hard
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: time shifting to dough mode because September October it's like,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: especially October it's bucks only. Like I always say, if
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: you're seeing four or five pointers, six pointers, you ain't
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: seeing the big Buck because he's completely separate from all those.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: If you're seeing a bunch of doze in October, it's
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: already not seeing a Buck. So it's like I getting
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: so buck mode, and then like the ruck comes, It's
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: like I can't turn it off. It's a very hard switch.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: And it's like these last couple of years, I've gotten
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: better at it, but I had those a ten year
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: stretch anything. I drew my bow back in November and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: it was like because I was strictly like so buck obsessed,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: like I forgot It's like, oh, it's the run and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: all my butters are drunk, hungover, or just driving down
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: the road and see a buck chase and Devin go
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: kill it. I'm getting up early, I'm taking canoe with
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: or you know, or taking a long way around and
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: just getting my buck kicked because I didn't know how
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: to how I understood how November worked, but I couldn't
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: get out of my own way with it, so fixated
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: on sure bump beds and rubs. And it's like, so
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: you need to know how your brain works and use
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: that to your advantage, Like, don't necessarily play of your
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: your weaknesses, Like if you're November guy, to go all
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: in November man, like you get it. If you're September guy,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: got the food sources, go all in play of your
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: strengths when when you're scouting. But I do think, you know,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: because I'm not you know, I haven't talked about this
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: a ton, but you know, I live in Minnesota. Our
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: our gun season starts the first Saturday in November everyear,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: so I think this year it's like November fourth or fifth,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: So you know, you got half a million gun hunters
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: out there and the ruts just barely cranking. And so
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I was always September in October because by you know,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I never had a rut hunt to count on and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I found you know, people say, well, hunt the doe
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: betting areas, hunt down windo those but dobetting areas whatever
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: for me to get over that rut hump, because like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: people like, oh, it's it's the best time. It's like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: always going to be the best, and then you go
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: and actually hunt it, and a lot of times it
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: really sucks, especially on public land. It's like not nearly
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: as good as it's supposed to be. I think it's
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: a matter of being like good enough scouting to find
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: some train traps you believe in, and then having the
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: willingness to be bored off your ass and disappointed and
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: sit them and at least give every you know, give
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: a couple of them real dark to dark sits if
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: the wind is working for you. And just because I've
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: noticed this, like some of the bigger bucks I've killed
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: in the rut, they might be like the only deer
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: I see that day, or I might see like two
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: deer or three deer, but the right one comes along.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: But you might have eight hours where you don't see
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: a deer or two days. Yeah, and it's that's tough, man.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I firm believe in that. When I see a lot
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: of deer in November daybreak up, I've seen a bunch
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: of doze. It's always little bucks behind and then come eleven,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: between eleven and two, there'll be a singular box that
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: rolls through. Like very rarely, especially in November, I don't
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: have much luck seeing big bucks early in the morning.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a rarity, you know. It's unless
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: they're with a dough Like I don't get that chasing
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: or that, you know, that what everybody wants. I rarely
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: get that. I get that eleven to two, eleven to three,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: that single buck coming through and nose to the ground,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: and it's a tough I mean I was at full
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: draw four times this year and no shots because it's thick,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like everything by scouting all that stuff words,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: but that buck was just moving too fast, too thick,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I got a bell, I don't
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: have a gun, you know. So it's like it's there
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: like twenty yards and under and they're walking because well
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not shooting through, yo, It's take a bush out
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: of walking deer. Yeah, I've been down that road before.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't pay well. Not a good idea. Yeah,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I have the same experience with bucks at ten eleven twelve,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: like early in the afternoon, where you'll see the first
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: deer and he's cruising through and you're like, you know,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: it reminds me of a bow hunt turkeys a lot,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: and you know, if you're out there early season. You
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: know here in minnesota'll be mid April when it opens,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: you know, Nebraska be early or whatever. But when you
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: get them like flocked up, they're all roosting together, they're
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: all feeding together. You know, yeah, you have a million gobbles,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, you're not calling them away. And then like
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: ten o'clock eleven o'clock, they start cruising and you'll pick
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: that bird up, that two year old or three year old.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: It's like, I just I gotta go looking. It feels
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: exactly like a lot of rut hunts where you're like, yeah,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: there might have been a bunch of action right away,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: but like you said, a lot of times, it's not
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: that one forty. It's like scrappers and doughs. And then
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: you get that die off and then you're like, oh, man,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: like this I haven't seen anything in three hours, and
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you see them coming. You're like,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: there's something to it, Like they got they got sick
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: of the doughs they were with, or they gave up
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: on it, and now they're like, I gotta go find
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I gotta go to that next concentration, and that's when
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: you kill them. Yeah, it's I think you similarities between
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: fishing and hunting and turkey hunting and hunting different things.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: I think there is a common core, you know, a
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: thread between all of them. You know, like I hunt
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: I fished these fisher stripers a lot in Kate May,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: and you hunt the rips and you hunt points, and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: these big fish are down low even though you had
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: a big tail and the super strong swimmers they're using,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: you know, the terrain to their advantage to you know,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: everything comes to them, you know. And then it's like
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: trout fishing. You watch a big trout sitting behind the rock.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: He's in that position, you know, because it's advantageous to
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: him to be in that position. I can eat easily.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like hunting turkeys and deer. It's like
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: it's very similar. If you're good at one. You can
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: be good at a lot of different forms of hunting
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: it or fishing. Dude, I talk about that. I write
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: about that all time. I don't know if anybody believes
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: me or not, but I think any time you spend
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: out there hunting and fishing, you're learning how to be
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: a better hunter or fisherman. Like I mean, the parallels there,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the things that I learned about deer from
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  Speaker 1: pheasant hunting public land are amazing. Like it's it's like
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  Speaker 1: a weird little education every time you go, and it's
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  Speaker 1: just because you're out there with them, and it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just there's so many like I learned how to
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  Speaker 1: hunt mountains and the terrain how deer you used terrain
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  Speaker 1: from hunting fishing streams, small mouth streams and hunting big reservoirs,
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  Speaker 1: and the points where the big bass to hide and
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  Speaker 1: they go up, you know, up and down, you know
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  Speaker 1: these points. I learned how to hunt the mountains. I
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  Speaker 1: learned how to hunt mountains and have success pretty quickly,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And I'm three hours away from the near
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  Speaker 1: set of mountains. So it's like I went up there
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, it's just like fishing. You know
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  Speaker 1: what it's like, there's the correlations is identical, and it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's just mountain hunting clicked for me. It was
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  Speaker 1: like I find it relatively easy, you know, because deer
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  Speaker 1: can only travel so many ways in the mountains, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I got that from fishing years of fishing. I
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  Speaker 1: fished every day. So when you're fishing, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you're really a good fisherman, you're learning watch what water does,
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  Speaker 1: what insects do, like how pressure human pressure changes, fish
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  Speaker 1: changes the bike. You know, when it's clear length, heavy pressure,
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  Speaker 1: fish go deep. There's heavy pressure. With deer or human
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  Speaker 1: sport of deer you go, they usually go deep. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, a lot of similarities between
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  Speaker 1: the two. Yeah. I was literally talking to my daughters
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  Speaker 1: about this when we're having breakfast the other morning, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember how it came up, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: we fish all the freaking time. We love to fish
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  Speaker 1: Smally's and they like to hunt with me, and we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about just like why we like doing stuff
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  Speaker 1: in the outdoors, and I think it came up because
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about training dogs. But anyway, I really
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  Speaker 1: think one of the ways that that makes you like
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  Speaker 1: if you if somebody's listening to this and they just
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  Speaker 1: started deer hunting in they're like, there's no way if
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  Speaker 1: I fish smallis I'm going to get better at deer hunting.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got to think about what are you doing
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  Speaker 1: when you're fishing smallies or you're trout fishing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fly fish and trout. You're just solving a problem, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like you're taking a set of conditions that were handed
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  Speaker 1: to you. Okay, the water's high, it's this color, it's
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  Speaker 1: May fifteenth. You know they should be on beds, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're not or whatever. And you start breaking it down,
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  Speaker 1: you go, okay, where should they be? You know, is
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  Speaker 1: it a Saturday at two o'clock and they've already been
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  Speaker 1: you know, thrown to five thousand times? Or is it
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  Speaker 1: a Tuesday morning? Is it July and there's a cold front,
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  Speaker 1: or is it you know what I mean? Like you
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  Speaker 1: start to factor in that stuff and it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: now you just you're you're literally reading the weather and
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  Speaker 1: the quarry and the conditions and the pressure and everything,
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  Speaker 1: and you're going, okay, what's my best chance? How is
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  Speaker 1: that any different than when you walk into public land?
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  Speaker 1: You're like, I gotta kill a deer. Like, what are
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  Speaker 1: you filtering through your brain right there? Okay, well it's cloudy,
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  Speaker 1: it's been cold for four days. It's Wednesday morning, it's
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  Speaker 1: not Saturday night. Like there's you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I think that you just partially get better
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  Speaker 1: because you're getting good at solving those problems. Yes, I agree,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be one, and I think that's why. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of benefits to get
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  Speaker 1: out there and doing a bunch of different stuff. We
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  Speaker 1: were about done here, buddy, I got to ask you,
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  Speaker 1: do you see I always wrestle with this because you know,
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  Speaker 1: they put together all this content on winter scouting, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, shed hunting is a little different. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of people seem to shed hunt. Now do you ever, like,
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  Speaker 1: do you run across people out there winter scouting? Like
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: if you hit a just ball park it? And I say, okay,
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  Speaker 1: take any ten bow hunters out in Jersey. What percentage
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  Speaker 1: how many of those dudes winter scout? What would you say?
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  Speaker 1: I would say everyone will say they do, but I
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  Speaker 1: rarely see people. And what do you think the real
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  Speaker 1: number is? Out of ten? I would say me and
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  Speaker 1: someone else so too, Yeah, I was gonna see I say, actually,
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  Speaker 1: like most people are pulling their trail cameras. That's where
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  Speaker 1: they're scouting ends. They're pulling the cameras. Like I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: habit of leaving cameras out, Like I don't really pull
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  Speaker 1: some of my cameras like March because I want to see,
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  Speaker 1: like I'll go put new batteries and check for people.
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  Speaker 1: But I know it was like, oh, this this dude
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  Speaker 1: is in here like four days a row. He either
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: found the bang or set of sheds. You're trying to
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  Speaker 1: bring his deer out, or he's seen it baked deer
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  Speaker 1: and he's trying to find the sheds. So I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: this dude's on something, So all right, maybe I need
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  Speaker 1: to go in there and church a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's like maybe I didn't get that hear
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  Speaker 1: my camera button. If you catch somebody going until spot
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  Speaker 1: a bunch times, there's a reason they're in there, yep.
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  Speaker 1: Do So you say maybe maybe twenty percent of the people,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say maybe twenty percent too, Like I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: go much higher than that. I kind I kind of
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  Speaker 1: look at it like all day sits. Everybody talks about it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that many hunters actually do
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  Speaker 1: very many all day sits. All day sits a brutal
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if this is because I
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  Speaker 1: have kids now or what. I actually don't mind them
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  Speaker 1: that much. If it's not, if if the conditions aren't horrible. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but like what, so I want to wrap this up then,
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  Speaker 1: so you say we're we're in agreement here on twenty
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  Speaker 1: percent of the people might win or scope. You know,
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  Speaker 1: some people are out there shed hunting, like you said,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: some people are out there looking for trail cameras. How
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  Speaker 1: important is winner scouting to you to your fall success?
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  Speaker 1: Like one, not important at all. Ten It's my favorite
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  Speaker 1: thing because it always helps me kill big bucks. Ten yeah, ten,
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  Speaker 1: eleven and twelve one hundred. If everybody who's listening to this,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the most important thing we covered is just that
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  Speaker 1: right there. Not very many people do this, and guys
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  Speaker 1: who are absolute killers go out and this is the
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  Speaker 1: time when they set the stage for those kills. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I agree, majorly important. Thank you so much for coming on. Man,
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  Speaker 1: this has been a blast. I'm definitely gonna get you
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  Speaker 1: on again. Oh sweet, I enjoyed it. Thanks Buddy later.
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• 1:22:49
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• 1:22:51
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