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  Speaker 3: Of course, and of course we have Nick.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, thanks for going Nick, good, Thanks
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  Speaker 5: thanks for coming on. My voice is still shot, which
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  Speaker 5: thank you very much for doing the intro. I really
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  Speaker 5: appreciate you always coming on, Tim, and you know, Mario,
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  Speaker 5: it's always amazing to have you on the show. I
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  Speaker 3: And we have Ethan Indigo Ethan, what's up.
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  Speaker 9: Honored to be here with you guys. Thanks for the involvement, Tim,
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  Speaker 9: great job as at mc MARI. I'm really excited about
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  Speaker 9: this and for your interpretations and sharing your knowledge and
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  Speaker 9: what a controversial subject is and Headless and Ricardo and
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  Speaker 9: I have been doing a little podcast on Sundays. People
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  Speaker 9: have been getting giving positive feedback about otherwise. I'm a
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  Speaker 9: writer on the esoteric and the exoteric Evan and Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: I just enjoy sharing ideas with everyone.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks Sunday Mornings trialogus.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask about. Cool and
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  Speaker 3: I am Tim Constantine my show with sixth Sensory Podcast
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  Speaker 3: as always, happy to be here. I'm happy to kind
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  Speaker 3: of introduce everyone. That's awesome, thanks for asking me and
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  Speaker 3: to our guest here, the main attraction Mario from Symbolic Studies.
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  Speaker 10: How are you, hey, Tim, I'm pretty good man. Thanks
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  Speaker 10: for the intro and thank you for the invite Nick
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  Speaker 10: and setting this up. Of course, really excited to dive
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  Speaker 10: into all of this material with you. It is indeed controversial.
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  Speaker 10: So as I was writing my notes and kind of
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  Speaker 10: figuring out I want to talk about, I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 10: how am I going to talk about some of this stuff?
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  Speaker 10: But I think I have a game plan and we'll
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  Speaker 10: plow through as a team here. But I people aren't
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  Speaker 10: familiar with my work, they can check out Symbolic Studies
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  Speaker 10: dot com. I'm all over the place, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter
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  Speaker 10: things like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I'll jump in here and comment
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  Speaker 3: on that controversial element to this work. I know what
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about, but I do want to say from
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  Speaker 3: my perspective, you know, we're over here, we're kind of
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  Speaker 3: isolated in our isolationist culture in the West, and when
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  Speaker 3: we hear the term Arian and stuff like that, we
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  Speaker 3: automatically think many of us think about like movies like
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  Speaker 3: American History X, and we think about skinhead guys and
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  Speaker 3: neo Nazis, et cetera. But that Arian term, in my research,
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  Speaker 3: has nothing to do with any of that, and it
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  Speaker 3: comes from like the Magi priests, class Zoroastrian, Iranian stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll let Mario Brook all that down, but just
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  Speaker 3: want to get jump in there and say that at like,
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  Speaker 3: let's just open our minds for this one to night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, Yeah, right on exactly.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm really glad you said that,
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  Speaker 10: because I have here written in my notes somewhere that
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  Speaker 10: the symbolism, the deep core symbolism that I want to
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  Speaker 10: talk about, has nothing to do with Hitler, has nothing
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  Speaker 10: to do with World War Two. It completely predates all
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  Speaker 10: of that stuff, right, and so that is obviously part
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  Speaker 10: of the conversation here. The word arian is very interesting,
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  Speaker 10: and so there's a lot of things here that I
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  Speaker 10: want to discuss that completely predate anything that has happened
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  Speaker 10: over the last you know, one hundred and two hundred years.
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  Speaker 10: So that's a great, you know thing, just to point
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  Speaker 10: out right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: So one of the.
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  Speaker 10: Things I think the show has actually started because Nick
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  Speaker 10: was interviewing somebody. There was some conversation. Maybe you guys
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  Speaker 10: remember at some point, but I know that World War
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  Speaker 10: two came up, and I believe either the Swasaka came up,
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  Speaker 10: Hiller came up, something along these lines. And I just
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  Speaker 10: commented in the chat I was really digging the show
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  Speaker 10: that that's a whole episode we could talk about this symbolically, right,
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  Speaker 10: And so Nick invited me on. And one of the
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  Speaker 10: things for me that I've always wanted to contribute to
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  Speaker 10: this conversation, and there's authors who have certainly done this before,
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  Speaker 10: is talk about the polar symbolism associated with the Nazi Party,
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  Speaker 10: And to me, it feels as much it feels as
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  Speaker 10: though there was a strategic campaign to include this symbolism,
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  Speaker 10: to drag it through the mud essentially because it is powerful,
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  Speaker 10: powerful stuff. The swastika, just as an example, is such
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  Speaker 10: a primordial, important symbol.
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  Speaker 2: Some people say it's universal.
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  Speaker 10: It's damn near universal from what I can gather as well,
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  Speaker 10: So many cultures you can find examples of the swastika.
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  Speaker 11: All over the world.
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  Speaker 10: So what does that mean and why would it be
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  Speaker 10: the perfect symbol to sort of tarnish or have a
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  Speaker 10: campaign against?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 10: So, if people have followed my work, one of the
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  Speaker 10: things I like to talk about is this great symbolic
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  Speaker 10: shift from polar to solar. Basically right and polar symbolism
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  Speaker 10: is very primordial, very ancient. It very much relates to
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  Speaker 10: the last Golden Age, right, it relates to things like
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  Speaker 10: the North Star, the northern sky, the world axis or
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  Speaker 10: axis moonde. And so because I've gotten really interested in
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  Speaker 10: that information, it's really been something that I promote heavily
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  Speaker 10: because I see that it unlocks a lot of transcendental truths,
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  Speaker 10: metaphysical truths. It really will take your symbolic awareness to
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  Speaker 10: the next level, in my opinion, So I feel like
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  Speaker 10: my early symbolic journey, you know, I hadn't yet come
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  Speaker 10: across that material, and so I felt like, you know,
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  Speaker 10: my sort of framework with symbolism, it just wasn't complete.
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  Speaker 10: I felt like I was lacking almost a foundation. And
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  Speaker 10: it wasn't until I found sacific authors that talked about
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  Speaker 10: some of this stuff did I feel like I really
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  Speaker 10: found something that was giving me, you know, structure essentially.
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  Speaker 10: And this is basically traditional symbolism, and so traditional symbolism
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  Speaker 10: to me, it really has a lot to do with
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  Speaker 10: unifying principles, unifying concepts, the concept related to the center
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  Speaker 10: and the idea that everything is expressed from the center
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  Speaker 10: and returns back to that same center, you know, ideas
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  Speaker 10: and concepts related to non duality, related to hierarchy and
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  Speaker 10: the center being the apex of a hierarchy. Right, And
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  Speaker 10: so this symbolism, according to traditional perennial authors, right, this
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  Speaker 10: is all pervasive because with this early tradition, this primordial tradition,
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  Speaker 10: it's been called, this is what precedes all other traditions.
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  Speaker 10: So all tradition sense basically are echo or fragments of
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  Speaker 10: that tradition. So you will see aspects of it all
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  Speaker 10: over the place, right, And there's so many basic symbols
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  Speaker 10: that go back to this as well. So the tree,
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  Speaker 10: the world, tree, right as an example, the mountain, the
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  Speaker 10: world mountain, you know, the stone, the pillar or pole
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  Speaker 10: or post. That's going to be a huge one for
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  Speaker 10: today basically is discussing.
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  Speaker 2: All of that.
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  Speaker 10: And what I found is that this symbolism has been
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  Speaker 10: demonized in the modern world, thanks in part to things
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  Speaker 10: like World War One and World War Two and the affiliations, right,
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  Speaker 10: the people associated with it, and the you know, just
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  Speaker 10: the different sort of historical things associated with it. So
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  Speaker 10: to me this is very interesting as well because I'm
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  Speaker 10: starting to see and I'm sure you guys have noticed this,
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  Speaker 10: and this has become kind of like a talking point
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  Speaker 10: among some people, is that sort of the programming from
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  Speaker 10: these world wars is in some ways starting to break
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  Speaker 10: down for a lot of people. Yeah, or at the
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  Speaker 10: very least it's starting to shift, right, And so people
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  Speaker 10: are starting like Kanye West as an example, right, you know,
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  Speaker 10: he's using the swastika. He has chains, swastika chains and
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  Speaker 10: shirts and all this stuff. And so I'm not saying
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  Speaker 10: that's necessarily a positive thing or negative thing.
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  Speaker 2: It just it just is what it is.
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  Speaker 10: It's things are being sort of reshaped and retoold right now.
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  Speaker 10: But this cultural breakdown is definitely part of the conversation.
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  Speaker 10: And you can't keep something like the swastika contained and
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  Speaker 10: suppressed for that long.
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  Speaker 2: Its power is too great.
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  Speaker 10: It's existed for such a long time that it's going
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  Speaker 10: to be known and it's going to be sort of understood.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, Mariel, real quick, I just wanted to say,
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  Speaker 5: I think I've said it before. I think that is
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  Speaker 5: actually one of the more it's not calling the guy
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  Speaker 5: a gangster, but the fact that he took that symbol
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  Speaker 5: and fucked it off, that's a real magical I mean,
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  Speaker 5: that's just fucking that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like that, that he had that power totally.
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  Speaker 8: I'd like to throw in just one thing. It seemed
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  Speaker 8: like it was forgotten for a long time in the
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  Speaker 8: West before he kind of revived it, because you see,
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  Speaker 8: before you know, the rise of Hitler and the Nazis,
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  Speaker 8: there was no real conception or popular consciousness around the
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  Speaker 8: swastika anymore. It had been a long sort of dormant
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  Speaker 8: symbol in that part of Europe for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you want, at some point, if you
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  Speaker 3: don't break down the Swaska, I can break down how
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  Speaker 3: the Nazis got a hold of that if you want
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  Speaker 3: at some point. And I just wanted to comment on
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  Speaker 3: the Saska in general because I went out on a
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  Speaker 3: limb there in the intro and brought up that term area,
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  Speaker 3: and I just had a feeling we were want to
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  Speaker 3: talk about that. But what I was thinking when I
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  Speaker 3: used the term area and I was definitely thinking about
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  Speaker 3: the swastika.
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  Speaker 6: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how far back it goes. You probably
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  Speaker 3: know more about that in I, but I've read that
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  Speaker 3: it goes back to the at least goes back to
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  Speaker 3: the ancient Zoroastrian cults of Iran, and that's why in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen thirty five Iran actually changed their name to Iran,
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  Speaker 3: which means Rian, because they were trying to reconnect with
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  Speaker 3: those Aryan roots. But you go back to like King
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  Speaker 3: Darius of the old Persian Empire, and on his tomb
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  Speaker 3: it says son of a Persian, son of Aryan race,
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  Speaker 3: and all these guys were using that swastika. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: interested in how far it goes back.
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  Speaker 8: There's only two there's only two current states in the
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  Speaker 8: world that use Aryan as the root for the name
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  Speaker 8: of their country. That would be Iran. And who can
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  Speaker 8: guess the other one Ireland? Oh oh yeah, they ran
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  Speaker 8: in Ireland.
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  Speaker 2: Right right? Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 10: The way I see it is that, like I said before,
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  Speaker 10: like this concept of a center being the point of
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  Speaker 10: expression and also return right, this is really this is
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  Speaker 10: the basis of my metaphysical understanding of all things basically,
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  Speaker 10: and so it permeates everything. Nothing can sort of escape
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  Speaker 10: this concept in my opinion, from what I've gathered now,
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  Speaker 10: and what I've noticed is a lot of words that
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  Speaker 10: are r ar ir as headless just mentioned with Ireland
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  Speaker 10: and er all go back to a northern primordial kind
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  Speaker 10: of original dynamic pretty much. So like one of the
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  Speaker 10: things the Arctic right ar right, King Arthur, he's like
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  Speaker 10: a northern king ersa major right, a northern constellation, which
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  Speaker 10: is very much related to the Swasika. So humanity almost
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  Speaker 10: across the board when you dig deep enough into the
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  Speaker 10: esoteric symbolism, it seems as though so many cultures have
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  Speaker 10: this concept of a northern origin story.
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  Speaker 2: And actually it's interesting. I have a book here called
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  Speaker 2: The Arctic Home in the Vedas.
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  Speaker 10: I'll tell yep exactly so the Arctic Home in the Vedas, right,
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  Speaker 10: and so just the first sentence here the idea of
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  Speaker 10: a lost ancient civilization located at the north pole right.
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  Speaker 10: And so when I was in India, I was in
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  Speaker 10: India a little over ten years ago, and there was
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  Speaker 10: one small town. I don't know, I can't even remember
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  Speaker 10: the town anymore, but you know, there was lots of taxis.
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  Speaker 2: I've told this story before, so if you've heard it,
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  Speaker 2: my apologies.
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  Speaker 10: But there was lots of little taxis around and walking
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  Speaker 10: around waiting for a taxi or finding where we're we're
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  Speaker 10: going to go. It was really interesting to see that
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  Speaker 10: a lot of these taxis had gigantic bold red stickers
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  Speaker 10: on them and they all said Riyan and they all
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  Speaker 10: had a red swastika right next to it. And then
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  Speaker 10: the little bookstore outside for tourists had minekomf there.
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  Speaker 2: And so that was a revelation for me at the time,
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  Speaker 2: where I'm like, whoa mine comp is right here?
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  Speaker 10: And then all of these people are claiming this aryan
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  Speaker 10: thing with the swastika, you know, because this idea of
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  Speaker 10: our homeland being in Hyperborea or Paradise or the original
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  Speaker 10: garden vied, and you know, it's so ancient that I
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  Speaker 10: don't think we can really escape it. I think it
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  Speaker 10: goes through waves in ways where people sort of rediscover it,
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  Speaker 10: have this kind of identification with it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, But it just goes back to what I was saying.
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  Speaker 10: Emanation from the center also returned back from the same center,
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  Speaker 10: and so humanity had this sort of origin story.
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  Speaker 2: All of humanity. In my opinion, it's kind of no different.
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  Speaker 10: I've been thinking a lot about antennas, and just like
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  Speaker 10: a simple pole emitting a signal, right, it emits from
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  Speaker 10: the middle and it expands outward. It's not unlike a ripple, Right,
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  Speaker 10: you throw a pebble in a pond, it ripples out
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  Speaker 10: from the center, right, And so the signal is strongest
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  Speaker 10: the closest it is to that pole, and then it
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  Speaker 10: gets weaker and weaker and weaker. Right, And so humanity,
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  Speaker 10: in my opinion, has had this fall from grace from
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  Speaker 10: this center and sort of the further we've either literally
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  Speaker 10: physically migrated away. I've been thinking a lot about nomadic
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  Speaker 10: symbolism and how that's the root for all humans. Basically
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  Speaker 10: is this perpetual travel. And when you're thinking about that,
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  Speaker 10: by the way, according to what I've looked into, the
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  Speaker 10: vast majority of nomadic migrations are from south to north
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  Speaker 10: and then back again, not east to west, right, So
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  Speaker 10: you're literally going to the north. So it's almost like
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  Speaker 10: a symbolic pilgrimage basically in many ways, right, and so
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  Speaker 10: so humanity seemingly has migrated away from the north, and
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  Speaker 10: I think this is encoded in a lot of different
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  Speaker 10: storylines as well.
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  Speaker 8: Right, go ahead, Yeah, I was going to say that
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  Speaker 8: there's something about the northern symbolism that is so intrinsic
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  Speaker 8: to all of these stories that really doesn't get tension.
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  Speaker 8: If you go back to the Greeks, they talk about
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  Speaker 8: the separation of Udernos, the sky from the earth, and
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  Speaker 8: they talk about castrating the pole. Right, So the pole
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  Speaker 8: is that symbol that separates the sky from the earth,
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  Speaker 8: and that would be at the northernmost climbs, right, So
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  Speaker 8: this is where the original sky came away from the earth.
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  Speaker 8: And so that's that's sort of like invisible pole is
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  Speaker 8: sort of present and that symbolism as well.
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  Speaker 6: If I may, If I may, When you were talking
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  Speaker 6: about India, I went back and brought up one of
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  Speaker 6: the daily mythology drops that I put on my x
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  Speaker 6: account every now and then every single day, I do a.
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  Speaker 7: Daily mythology drop and one of them was the swatsika.
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  Speaker 6: And I learned that in Hinduism, the swasika represents sir Yah.
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  Speaker 6: I guess that's how you say s u r Ya,
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  Speaker 6: which is the Sun god, which is a prosperity and
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: good fortune. So, uh, you know, we had it at
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: one time a good thing, and then you know, most
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: people know it as the negative connotion as it is
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: today with the Nazism and so on and so forth.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: But it's it's interesting.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Oh go ahead, go ahead.
• 19:12
  Speaker 9: No, I was just gonna say to back that up,
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: the one of the world's oldest religions is Jainism, related
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: to Hindus, and it is first and foremost in there.
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: Every book must have a swastika in the beginning page,
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: and then every temple entrance there.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: Must be a swastika as well.
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: Did I did I come through clearly?
• 19:36
  Speaker 11: Oh? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: And it's it's it's interesting because oh oh yeah, I
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: finish off.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, go sorry, sorry, I'm I'm I'm delaying.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I apologize you guys.
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: And also it really has and maybe Jim might be
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: able to build on this better than I don't mean
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: to put you on the spot. But it also really
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: has the center point. As you point out, it has
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: two lines intersecting with results in the four corners, which
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: results in the four directions and four corners of this
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: mandala like formation that it kind of illustrates and related
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: to the sun and so forth, and seasonal changes as
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: you point out, right right right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That's sorry. I'm just going to jump in really quick
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: after Ethan just because he brought us. Something really interesting
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: about Jainism is that Jaans do have a deep contric
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: system as well. They also have a lot in common
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: with certain Temple of Set ideas in terms of self
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: belief and like self apotheosis. That is also part of Jainism.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And it's in general considered to be one of the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: wealthiest diasporas religions in the world. And they also control
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a big part of the diamond trade, so and they
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: also control all religious iconography iconographical publishing of Indian deities
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: ad hoc. So especially in the seventies, like when people
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: think of Hinduism, they think of those like shiny lithographs
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: with like holograms. Those were all done by Jane publishing companies.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So it was Jane's who kind of incorporated the if
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you want to call it couplistic, sort of coloring elements
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: of the gods and the goddesses. So there's something really
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: interesting with Jainism and what everybody's saying there is kind
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of something very primordial, very old, and a lot of
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the ideas both intra Buddhism particularly, but also in modern magic,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: like the idea of SkyFlying or sky dancing, like the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: dig Embara Janes, the you know they would go skyclad.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: That's the word I was looking for. I'm sorry, so
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: like Wickens use that word like skyclad, and obviously that
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: comes from Jainism. It's a kind of a corruption of
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the idea. But you know, there's a lot of tontric
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: ideas I think in modern times.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: Someone jumping here real, okay, because this is interesting because
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: I had already put up my mythology drop, so I
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: did India already and talked about how it was related
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: to the Sun guy and Jainism is actually under there.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: I highlighted it stands for the seventh Saint, super Chavanta.
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: So this is why I want to give people idea.
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: So when I do these daily mythology drops.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: I usually take lots of my books, and I usually
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: I have a lot of tabs on my books that
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: I take information from, So that way is not my opinion,
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: my theory, or my idea. I'm actually taking it from
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: different texts and I'm trying to put it into a
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: consolidated format so everybody can get the basic gist of
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: what is basically been saying.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: So that's why I created that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: And it's funny that y'all was mentioning geniism because in
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: prehistoric Europe, the swasika appears on pottery, roomstones and textiles. Now,
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: I also went in back with somebody who was saying
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: about the I think in the comments, somebody was saying
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: something about the oldest swasika could be fined in Ukraine.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: And I actually found two websites that I like to
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: go to that actually brings that up.
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: And here I bring it up if Nick can bring
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: it up real quick.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: But it does go back to twelve thousand years and
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: it gives you a history of it on Ancient Ancient
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: dash origins dot net. Now there's other websites that I
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: went to that said the same thing, but this was
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: you know, this one gave you a good breakdown and
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: you can listen to, you know, the little article that
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: they have on there, and it literally gives you, you know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: the different ways how the Druids did the swatsika at
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: one time.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: They give you the in the twelve thousand your symbolism.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: It gives you a little idea of I guess it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: found on some kind of uncovered and Missine Ukraine carved
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: on the ivory figurine, which dates back in incredible twelve
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: thousand years. One of the earliest cultures that are known
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: to have used the swatsika was a Neolithic culture in
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: southern Europe in the area that is now Serbia, Croatia,
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: Posnia and her Ziggovina, known as the Vinka culture, which
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: days back around eight thousand years ago. So, I mean,
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: that's pretty interesting that somebody put that in the comments
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: because I wanted immediately to look at it. So we
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: going back at least twelve thousand years with this information. Yeah,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: so miss you know what, I'm sorry, sorry, I'm so sorry.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: The other thing is I wanted to say, it's just
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: like with mythologies. You see how one myth was told
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: in a traditional oral story twelve thousand years ago and
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: now we have the Holy Bible that everybody believes in today.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: It's the same thing with this is that they took
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: the Swazika and meant one thing back then, the Sun God.
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: I actually wrote an article on it.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: The first representation of a god is a son because
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: of the agriculture of needs and everything else.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm trying to swing it around and take
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: it back to Tomrio here. But I do want to say, like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: if you look at some where we're talking about empire
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: lineage here, I think, and you know, you guys talked
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: about the Hindus, and if you look at the Brahma,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: some of the Brahma families, it came from the Caucacious Mountains.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: There's DNA tests to prove that, as did the Scythians
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: and the Ukraine people come out of there. So if
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: you go back, you've got I want to go back
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: to this er your you are ir ar thing that
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Mario broke down, that goes back to a civilization in
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: the north. Well, you've got er the Kalds, which was
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: an ancient city. You've got Uric, you know, the city
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: of Gilgamege. So if you look at that, you've got
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: before Babylon. There were the Kaladeans before them. I would
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: argue Samarans before them, Arians before that, Atlanteans. Question mark,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: are you know what I'm saying? Like, are we going
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: back Mario to to an actual civilization of in the north.
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: It seems as though there's something to that. Yeah, definitely,
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: you know, I look at this place more like a field, right,
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: and so it's like a tourist field. So I kind
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: of see it that we're existing on a plane perhaps
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: within literally this torus field dynamic, right. And so the
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: torus field is another example of this emanation from the
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: center and return back to that same center. And so
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: it seems as though all things come from a center
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: of some sort. A tree, as an example, emanates from
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: a seed, right, And so the north is symbolic of
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: this exact same center. And so northern symbolism, polar symbolism,
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: axial symbolism, traditional primordial symbolism, it's very much all the
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: same thing, in my opinion, And like the pre imminent
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: sort of symbol we have of this in the heavens
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: at least would be in my opinion, the North star,
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: the pole star, because this is really where this they
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: refer to it as the world axis, as I've already mentioned,
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: but you can refer to it as like the interstellar
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: axis as well. It's literally this symbolic cosmic pole that
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: exists between all realms above and below basically right, So
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: from the North Pole to the North Star, aka the
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: Pole Star. It's called the pole star for a reason.
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: And so all of the fixed stars go around the
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: pole star, right, including the stars of the zodiac. And
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: I'd like to segue just briefly to this idea of
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: the sun. In my opinion, what I've learned in traditional
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: symbolism the sun, solar symbolism is actually subordinate and younger
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: than polar symbolism. So that's a really important distinction, that
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: solar symbolism is more of a modern thing actually in
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: the grand sort of scheme of things, basically right. And
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: so I actually have some quotes about that, and this
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: relates back to the swastika, by the way, and I
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: do have some slides that we should share with the
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: Swaska in just a minute. But before that, you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: I have a pretty good symbolic library, and so I've
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: been collecting symbolic dictionaries from like two thousand and six
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: or seven, and I've just been buying up everything that
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: I can see whatever. So I have all of these
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: different books, I can look up the sun in like,
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: you know, dozens of different books and I have. I've
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: done stuff like that. That's how I get a lot
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: of my research personally. And what I've noticed is that
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: a lot of newer books associate the swastika with solar symbolism,
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: and to be honest with you, that never sat well
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: with me. It just never made sense personally. Well, that
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: was before I knew that there was this great shift
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: from polar to solar. So there were solar there are
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: solar deities that were once known as being polar deities.
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: You'll actually find that a lot of solar sun gods
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: actually have a relationship with the North Pole or Hyperborea.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: You know that their origin story is somewhere in the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: north right. And so there are a lot of deities
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: from ancient.
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: Cultures that were actually polar in nature, but modern people
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: basically misinterpreted the symbolism and put a solar sort of dynamic.
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: So it wasn't until I found higher quality authors did
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: I start reading about the true origins of the swastika.
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: Actually being a polar symbol, not a solar symbol. Polar
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: or solar symbolism comes from polar symbolism. So the Sun
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: symbolically is also a pole, believe it or not, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: so on. Modern versions of the sun card as an example,
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: in the tarot, oftentimes, like in the right way, you
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: will see a young boy holding a huge pole with
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: a flag on it, because the Sun has become the
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: symbolic pole for a lot of people. It's become you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 10: if you're a heliocentrist, you're basically saying that the Sun
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: is the center, the Sun is the point of pivot.
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: So symbolically, the Sun itself also has polar symbolism associated
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: to it with it. So again, polar symbolism is at
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: the apex of the hierarchy. Solar symbolism came afterwards and
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: is more subordinate. There was a time before solar worship.
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: There was a time before the sun had all everyone's focus.
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: Basically is what I'm trying to say, And there's so
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: many examples of this, but one of the things I'll
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: say about axis symbolism and pole symbolism, it is the
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: bridge between heaven and Earth, right, and so we also
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: are axis symbols. We operate as a bridge between heaven
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: and Earth. This has been referred to as the Great Triad,
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: that there's a triune relationship between Heaven.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Earth and man. We are that symbolic bridge, as is
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: a tree, as is a lot of things.
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: A pillar, you know, the pillar or a pillar in
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: a building, symbolically separates heaven and Earth, right, and so
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: it separates and it connects. This is what you'll see
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: in the Magician card. The magician holds up a wand
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: phallic symbolism is polar symbolism, is world access symbolism as well,
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: holding up that wand to the heavens, and then he's
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: pointing his other hand down to the ground as above,
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: so below he's basically saying, I connect Heaven on Earth
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: and I also separate Heaven on Earth.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It's the same dynamic, right, this world axis and Maria
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: really go for it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: Have you heard of the Path of Soul's religion talked
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: about by a lot of noun documentors in North America?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: No Half of Souls.
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: It refers to this northern symbolism as the way out, Yes, exactly.
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: So this is what you get in Egypt too, And
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: so the idea is it's a transference of how you
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: get out of this realm from the polar being the
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: northern you know, climbs to being the sun.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: M hm right, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: The idea that there's an actual spot in the north
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: where you can descend through the the atmosphere or something
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: it aligns with the North Star. Perhaps.
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's referred to the most common way to refer
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: to it as the stairway to Heaven. Yeah, exactly, So
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: the stairway to heaven exactly. So this is the opening
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: in the cave. That's another sort of way of looking
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: at it. In royal arch freemasonry, it's the keystone, right,
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: so the keystone is removed and so yeah, exactly. So,
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: you know, in my opinion, the North Star there's debate
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: whether or not the North Star shifts or doesn't shift.
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: Some people now are convinced that it's never shifted and
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: it's always been the same. If it shifts or doesn't shift,
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: it almost doesn't matter if it shifts. However, what I've
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: learned is that some people say that it's actually a title,
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: that the Pole Star is more so a title almost
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: like a king. The king receives the title and receives
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: the throne, but it's not the same king perpetually, right,
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: And so the North Star is almost like a role
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: that's always been fulfilled by the star closest to that
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: axial spin right of the fixed stars going around that
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: point of pivot. And so when you really dive deep
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: into world axis symbolism, like if you look at the
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: name is escaping me now. But there's different myths about
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: the primordial universe being in chaos and that all of
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: the elements were basically fused together and it wasn't until
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: the world Axis came to be was there actually separation
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: between heaven and Earth. So then actually they became or
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: there now was space for things to grow and you
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: know whatever mix and divide and all that.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Kind of stuff.
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: Right Ovid's metamorphoses, there's one of the first places it's
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: called the chaos.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: That's basically what the chaos is all about.
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: Everything amalgamated sort of together in this heap until the
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: world Axis brought structure and brought order. This chaos is
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: also related to the full card. The Full always has
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: a bag with him, generally at the end of a pole.
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: The poll is so significant with the full card. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: it's been said that there's the elements in that bag,
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: but everything was mixed together. So in the full card
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: you have chaos, and then that's followed by the Magician card,
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: which is order. So then you actually have the elements
• 33:50
  Speaker 10: displayed on the table, organized on the table right in
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: front of the magician.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: So order out of chaos. Right.
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: The world axis brings order because it brings a point
• 33:59
  Speaker 10: of pivot. So let me just finish this thought real quick.
• 34:02
  Speaker 10: So all leaders symbolically represent the axis. Right, the leader
• 34:09
  Speaker 10: of any organization represents the poll, the points of pivot
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: for that organization. Right, you're giving orientation to your people,
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: That's what it represents. I did a breakdown like two
• 34:21
  Speaker 10: months ago on my channel called Death and Taurus, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: it was about the passing of the pope and the
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: ushering in of this new pope, and I broke down
• 34:29
  Speaker 10: all the symbolism about how the pope is a symbolic
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: axis or he's a symbolic poll. Right, And so if
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: it's the point of orientation, if it's the point of pivot,
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: if it's what you look towards for guidance, right, spiritual
• 34:41
  Speaker 10: guidance and whatnot, it all makes sense in my opinion.
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: So if the pope is traveling, you know, in a vehicle,
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: everyone's eyes go towards the pope because he's a walking
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: mobile axis basically. And there's even some traditions, like my
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: understanding is an Islam, a mom actually has a relationship
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: with pole itself, like with axis, right. And there's actually
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: a lot of polar symbolism in esoteric Islam and in Sufism,
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: which I think is super super interesting and fascinating.
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: Even in mainstream Islam they're making the somnambulations around the
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: Central Mountain, right, So there's a lot of polar symbol
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: in all of it, but it's it's kind of pars unless.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: You know it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: So well let me just say one thing, sorry Mario,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: about what Headless just said, because the sort of expression
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of it in Islam is actually understandable from a contract perspective.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: The black cube is that of Rahu. It's very clear
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: in the Grida Prana that that is the stone of Rahu.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: It also has the seven yonis in case in silver.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: This is also a part of the Yoginei tntras, so
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that that it's not polar. What the Islam is actually
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: referring to it's actually solar. It's solar mixed with attorney,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and it's both of those sort of in dialectical relationship.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to say that. Sorry, Mario makes
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the age.
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: Man.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: I ask you a question, Mario, have you read Albert
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: Church words, signs and symbols, because everything that you're talking
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: about I literally.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: Learned in this book right here. No, I haven't read
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: that yet. I actually think I do have it though.
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: It actually am on page one.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: Eighty seven, which is funny at one eighty seven, and
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: you know the murder and all this other stuff, how
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: the murder nutbers used.
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: But literally, that's why I brought it up, right.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: But it literally says, and I'll read it out, it
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: says that this sign of the swartzika was found in
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: Britain three thousand between BC until three hundred and eighty.
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: Will proved pretty conclusively.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: That the time of the exodus of the Druids from
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: Egypt was at the time they had the swartzika, after
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: they have converted this from the figures up the four quarters,
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: and before they had changed the same into the out
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: cross by evolution, probably more than twenty thousand years ago.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: If Flinders Petre is right in his dates as to
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: recent his discoveries at Abodolts, then it goes on and
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: it says, thus we see how one from the cross
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: now used amongst the Christians. So he's saying that originated
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: directed from the sacred symbol of the Swartzika. So the
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: cross and the Swanzika have a relationship. And I'm literally
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: it's right here if anybody wants to read it for themselves.
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: That book says that, man, I say something that's blowing
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: my mind, and I hope you guys find it valuable
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: to a relationship between Maria, what you're presenting and something
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: I've been thinking about from Buddhist teaching and firstly, though
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: more primarily the Heaven, Earth and Man symbolism I think
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: is very much in the great Initiator that is Thoth
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: or Hermes Trismegistus, and this is what he has mastered,
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: these three levels of being, and in many different cultural
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: kind of self development systems we can find that orientation
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: of this trinity.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: But something that blew my mind is.
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: What you were talking about, how the North and the
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: Pole is seen as the way to ascend and rise
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: up and rise out. What I'm always thinking about the
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: exoteric or the primary teaching, whether it's an esoteric teaching regardless,
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: but the esoteric aspect of a pole in relation to
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: this rising out of a cave and rising up, well,
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: that's a tube. And there's a Buddhist teaching that says
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: you're kind of stuck in a tube and you're going
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: to be ascending or decent or maybe going back and forth,
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: which I think in our average human development that we
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: do go back and forth.
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: He talked about. He said, you go to the north
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: and then descend back.
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: Down right, And in terms of self development, we want
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: to ascend. Sometimes we go back and forth. Sometimes we
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: don't know which way to go. And in fact, we
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: start out as a tube. We don't start out as
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: a heart. We start out as a digestion tube. And
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: of course we come out of the great matrix and
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: womb tube. So as you're describing the pole and that
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: aspect of self development and rising up, I was thinking, oh, well,
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: the esoteric aspect of the pole is the tube. Thank
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: you for letting me share that. Yeah, if I may,
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: if I may.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: When you was mentioning in the Pope, I actually This
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: is a picture of my eighteen seventy three Bible. This
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: is the oldest book that I own, is from eighteen
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: seventy three in this condition. It's a really interesting book.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: I'm slowly going through it and sharing what I have
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: on there. And it's interesting that you mentioned about the pope,
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: because in my eighteen seventy three Bible, if I was
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: at if I was born in that time frame and
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: I wanted to go to a store to buy a Bible,
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: this will probably be the Bible that I would buy, right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: And it has the apocrypha in there, and it says Abadon,
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: the Hebrew term for the destroyer of the Angel of
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: the bottomless pit, whose name in Greek is Apollon, from
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: their occurrence, and it tells you descriptions and the rabbits.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: But see this is what it says. It says some
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: have applied the name to Satan exclusively. Others also applied
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: to Mayama, others to the Pope of Rome.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: It's a polyon. It's well, I don't know how many
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: rabbit holes we want to go down here. I don't
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: even know if I want to go down that rabbit hole.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: But it's yeah, and it's you know, it's been conflated
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: with Semyaza and Azazel and many of these other ancient
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: you know, entities that sort of live and reside across
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: multiple different panels. But so, Mario, you said that, like
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: solar symbolism comes from polar symbolism.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, exactly.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: So what was going on in the sky then? Does
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: that say something about the astrology of the ancient world
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: where there were there multiple suns?
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's a that's a great question.
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: The way I'll present it, well, one, I have a
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: presentation called the Rising Sun Esoteric Solar Symbolism. If people
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: really want my full sort of take on that, definitely
• 41:35
  Speaker 10: watch that presentation. I think it's one of my best,
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: and I talk about how solar symbolism comes from polar
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: symbolism essentially, and basically, the way I break it down
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: is that there have been three, from what I gather,
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: symbolic major skyclocks. In today's world. It's the path of
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: the Sun, which is the ecliptic. So people are paying
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: attention to the constellations around the ecliptic, right, So twelve
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: or thirteen based on your system, and so prior to
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: that or it almost seems as though there's like an
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: intermediary phase. I'm still figuring out the ways in which
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: to kind of word this, but undoubtedly people were looking
• 42:15
  Speaker 10: towards and still do towards the moon as a time piece,
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: a timekeeper, right, so the lunar skyclock, and a lot
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: of religions still use the lunar calendar for their holy days.
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: Well, from what I've gathered based on my research, according
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: to some of these traditionalists and perennialists, the first skyclock,
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: the most primordial skyclock, was actually the fixed stars going
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: around the polestar. And so we're dealing with a stellar tradition, right,
• 42:46
  Speaker 10: And so the fixed stars go around the polestar counter clockwise.
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: And what I've mentioned before is that when we're dealing
• 42:53
  Speaker 10: with rotation, just like with the Kabba cube, I brought
• 42:56
  Speaker 10: it up on this channel before, But like circumambulation rituals
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: going around a point of pivot, if the object is
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: around or if you're revolving around an object and it's
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: on your right hand side, that's a clockwise rotation. Symbolically
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: a clockwise rotation just like the sun. The sun goes clockwise,
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: just like our standard clock. The faces of a clock,
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: because we're dealing with a solar tradition. In today's world
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: with heliocentrism, a clockwise rotation is expansive and a counter
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: clockwise rotation is actually contractive. It brings you closer to
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: the center, It brings you closer to the point of emanation.
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: Of all things, it brings you closer to the pole itself.
• 43:36
  Speaker 10: A clock itself can even operate with that axis right
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: there in the middle. It's as well no matter how
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: if you're talking about new clocks or you're talking about
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: old clocks. It's just you just need a poll, right,
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: and then it's going to tell you the time based
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: off of the shadow of the sun and everything.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, head listen.
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: Victor Schauberger talks about those two different directions as being
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: explosive versus implosive.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: For there you go.
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: So the impluse so for us, is what creates zero
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: point energy because it's constantly imploding upon itself like a tornado.
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: This is the the secret of the polar symbolism is
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: that is where you find that infinite energy point.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if I may, if I may interject really quickly,
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: sorry about that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: That.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I think also in Tyron mentioned in a jarred of
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: memory is that the universe creates in pairs, and so
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: we constantly talk about polar symbolism. We talk about pole star, pullstar,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: coors star, and somewhere in the text it's always mentioning
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: the cross. Yet no one remembers to, I guess, mention
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: the Southern Cross, which is the Southern Pole. In that
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: in the Northern hemisphere, because the countries have basically dictated
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: and rolled over the most of the Earth, is that
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: we concentrate mainly on the North Pole star as our
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: navigation point, as you know, kind of directions. But in
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: the Southern hemisphere they use the Southern Cross as their
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: way of navigation the way that the Northern hemisphere uses
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: the North Pole. And when you look at the Southern Cross,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: it pretty much looks like a cross. And so when
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: you kind of look into occultism of what the cross is,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: you almost look at the cube cross, which is the
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: test react, and the test react itself is basically transcending
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: time and space to I guess you know, quantumly move
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: within areas. So I just wanted to interject that that
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I thought that would be important to mention.
• 45:38
  Speaker 10: Sure, and that's a whole conversation could be had about
• 45:42
  Speaker 10: the Southern Hemisphere, Antarctica, the psyopy nature of some things
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: that are going on there, the Nazi interests in Antarctica,
• 45:52
  Speaker 10: the final experiment with the flat Earth community, and stuff
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: like that going down there. So yeah, that's a whole conversation.
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: Yes, the one thing every country on Earth agrees on
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: is that nobody should go down there without their specific intrusion.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: So it's interesting to compel them to agree.
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah, right, exactly.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: You know something I wanted I just wanted to add
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: this in real quick. I've been wanting to say for
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: a minute. It's it's just kind of minor. You're talking
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: about like stars spinning around a pole. The may pole
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: was actually a big thing to be taught to the
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: SS kids, you know, so I do kind of think
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: like that does look a little bit like spinning stuff.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: I'll even say there's been times I've wanted to use that,
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Like when we spoke about making that image. I've even
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: thought of using a may pole as a way to
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: explain it, like seeing all these things spiraling out of
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: that eclipse. But you know, like if you looked under
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: the maypole and watched it from the ground, it might
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: look like that. So I've even wanted that type of
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: ship for symbolism as well.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. There's a ton
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: of traditions that go around a pole. The maypole is
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: one of them.
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: In Voodoo there's another pole.
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: It's called the peris still i think, and they look
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: at it as like the navel of the universe basically, right,
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: So no matter where you're at, even if you're in
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: the furthest extreme south, in my opinion, it's still subordinate
• 47:16
  Speaker 10: to the center that it expanded from or was expressed from.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: That's just my opinion.
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: But what I was building up to is basically the
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: leader being an axis being a bridge. The full title
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: of the pope is Pontifex Maximus and that means the
• 47:31
  Speaker 10: ultimate bridge builder. So he is a bridge between heaven
• 47:34
  Speaker 10: and earth. Right, and so for the Germans, Hiller was
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: an axial figure. He was an axis, he was a pole, right.
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: He was supposedly or he was supposed to be the
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: point of pivot for his people. He was going to
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: be the point of orientation for his people. He's the leader.
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: So all leaders literally sort of imbue this axial symbol
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: and this bridge between heaven and Earth, right explaining, And
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: so to me that's so interesting because also they use
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: the swastika, which is also an axial symbol. It's symbolic
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: of the spin of Heaven, of all spin. Really, my
• 48:16
  Speaker 10: personal opinion is Earth is not spinning. That's an inversion.
• 48:21
  Speaker 10: The heavens are spinning above, right, And so they're using
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: an axial world axis symbol in the swastika, and they're
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: referred to as the Axis versus the Allies, the axis
• 48:36
  Speaker 10: of evil right now. Also very interesting that they invaded
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: whole land, right, and so it's kind of embedded all
• 48:46
  Speaker 10: over the place with all of this stuff. And so
• 48:49
  Speaker 10: to me, a huge thing about this too is that
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: a leader is an axis, including an evil, nefarious leader.
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: And so, like the Lore as an example, Lord symbolism
• 49:02
  Speaker 10: has a lot of axial symbolism baked into it, but
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: so does the Dark Lord as well. It's the same
• 49:08
  Speaker 10: axis symbolism. The devil in the Devil card oftentimes is
• 49:14
  Speaker 10: squatting on top of like a pedestal. Right, that's kind
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: of like his primordial center. Right, it looks very much
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: in some cards like the Right Way, it kind of
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: looks like the Monolith from two thousand and one, or
• 49:25
  Speaker 10: it looks even like the Cobbacue, right, and so the
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: axis symbolism translates whether you're talking about a positive or
• 49:32
  Speaker 10: negative figure. And then now I think it's really fascinating.
• 49:35
  Speaker 10: Iran has been brought up a few times and now
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: Iran is the new axis of evil and so and
• 49:42
  Speaker 10: they've got clear polar symbolism, you know, baked into a
• 49:46
  Speaker 10: lot of what they do.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 49:49
  Speaker 10: To me, it's very strategic. It feels like it's a
• 49:52
  Speaker 10: it's a deliberate campaign once again to suppress this symbolism
• 49:57
  Speaker 10: because it's too holistic, it's too unifying.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so let's get to this.
• 50:01
  Speaker 8: There's there's another angle, right there is that that the
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: trickster spirit is always a Northern spirit. That is, that
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: is a constant I found in a lot of mythology,
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: is that this trickster is a Northern polar deity.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: M hmm, yeah, yeah.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: From the Mario, the Nazis during their reign acknowledged Iran
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: as being their brothers. Essentially, Hitler himself said, there are
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: there are like a potent form of the Aryan bloodlining
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: they're our brothers. But you know, I just want to
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: comment on where the Nazis perhaps got that symbol from.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: It's there's a good chance that they got it from
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: a guy who was a Sufi East and Eastern mystic
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: who was also spent time in Turkey, who was part
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: of the Turkish freemasonry scene. There's a guy named Sabatandorf. So,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: because the Nazis got the symbol from the Two Lace Society,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: which was started by Walter Nauhaus and Rudolph Bo Sabatandorf.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Those guys were these German occultists. They were in about
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: ten other orders. They were again Freemason's Germanten, German Norden
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: of the Holy Grail. They were Reskrucians, alchemists, they were
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: in everything. So they took all those influences and amalgamated
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: them into this two Lay Society. Well, the Two Lay
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Society goes on to sort of sponsor and branch off
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: and become the German Workers Party, which becomes the Nazi Party.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: So Hitler and the Nazis simply kept the symbol. The
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Thule Society had already introduced it, and they came in
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: and they straightened out the edges. Because the Tuley had
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: the edges of the Swaska bent a little bit. They
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: came in, they straightened out the edges, kept the symbol.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Hitler himself, from what I've read and what I've researched,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: added all he did was add the red and the
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: white and black. And they did this with the Tooley's.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: The Tulei Society had an ocult newsletter, I think it
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: was called the Beobacher. The Nazis kept that as well,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: and they turned it into the Nazis Party's main newsletter,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: a newspaper that went out. So I just want to
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: break that down. But I think possibly Sabatandorf got it
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: from some of these influences that came down from this
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Magi this uh the Persian area and Magi pre sad bloodline.
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: Tim, Tim, do you get the sensation that the Nazis
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: were kind of like the German form of the Mormons.
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: There's this magical influence sort of bubbling up from the
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: bottom and then spreading out into these different, sort of
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: normified symbols.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: I do absolutely. I mean, it would take me a
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: whole episode to break it down, but I agree with
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: that for sure.
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: It's like there's it's like there's ancient orders that sort
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: of come to the surface in these different movements from
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: time to time.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: That's what it is.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: And that's why I brought up Iran earlier, because I mean,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: because of this Persian area and Magi group, Zoroastri and
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: all that stuff, they're all kind of a part of that.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: And I think in the book that Mario held up,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: that book is by about Tilik. I think I think
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: he talked about how this whole Persian area and bloodline
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: thing too. But yeah, yeah, it goes back to these
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: these basically these secret orders that had this information to
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: begin with.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, really quickly, I just want to insert the edition
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: of the Black and White. I believe Jin and Nick.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: Please correct me if I'm wrong. Those are the color
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: stages of the great work, isn't it? In alchemy? Those
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: are the actual re statement of when converting whatever it
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: is that you're working on to the different phases to
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: ultimately get you to the magnum o, this great work
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: in helchemy.
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: The Greido and Robido, Yes, that's correct. Yeah, yeh, Rubido
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: is the red. She's talking about the black and red,
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: but yeah, Albido is also.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're toullly, right, Lisa, that's a great option.
• 54:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's super interesting, just real quick, just because I
• 54:24
  Speaker 10: brought it up or I opened it and grabbed it here.
• 54:27
  Speaker 10: But you know, I don't have too many Iranian esoteric books,
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: but I have this one, The Man of Light, and
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: it's by Henry Corbyn. The Man of Light in Iranian
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: Sufism and uh. In it they talk about Sufi's meditating
• 54:42
  Speaker 10: on the world axis and like gaining enlightenment and stuff
• 54:45
  Speaker 10: like that.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: But if you open it, it's the first image here.
• 54:49
  Speaker 10: Literally you're going to see Ursa Madrin minor, right, So
• 54:51
  Speaker 10: it's just showing you how significant that is. It's literally
• 54:54
  Speaker 10: the first image in the book when you open it up, right.
• 54:57
  Speaker 10: So I see this as potentially Some authors like this
• 55:01
  Speaker 10: guy named W. H. Mueller in his book Polaria, he
• 55:04
  Speaker 10: talks about how he thinks that the great wars of
• 55:07
  Speaker 10: the world are essentially esoterically between solar and polar factions
• 55:11
  Speaker 10: pretty much.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Can I get a date on that book on Man
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: of Light? Yeah, yeah, totally. So let me see here,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: well you look at for that.
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: I wanted to add, Timmy, you mentioned I ran kind
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: of like, you know, using the swastigua, and you know,
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: you know Patsy Party, we also saw that popping up
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: with the az Off Battalion over in Ukraine. So I
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: mean this gne keeps on popping up every time there's
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: a war.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: So if we're looking at theos oh, go ahead.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Oh just real quick.
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: I was just going to say that, you know, if
• 55:44
  Speaker 10: we're talking about solar versus polar orders, right factions, right
• 55:48
  Speaker 10: deep deep esoteric factions. I think it's very interesting that
• 55:52
  Speaker 10: the Nazis had the swastika. The reverence for the swastika
• 55:56
  Speaker 10: clearly a pole, a point of pivot right. And then
• 56:00
  Speaker 10: the Jews also are well known for their twin pillars
• 56:03
  Speaker 10: like in front of Solomon's Temple, right, and in freemasonry,
• 56:07
  Speaker 10: in esoteric Judaism and things like that. So literally it
• 56:11
  Speaker 10: can be broken down as like the single pillar order
• 56:13
  Speaker 10: versus the dual pillar order, the twin pillars right, and
• 56:17
  Speaker 10: so to me it's really interesting as well, I was
• 56:19
  Speaker 10: in this camp, so I'm not throwing shade at anybody,
• 56:22
  Speaker 10: but a lot of people modern in the modern esoteric world,
• 56:26
  Speaker 10: they will spend a lot of time studying and researching
• 56:29
  Speaker 10: the two pillars boas Jacquin, solar, lunar, whatever. But a
• 56:34
  Speaker 10: lot of times they will never study the single pillar.
• 56:37
  Speaker 10: And when you study the single pillar, it's polar essentially,
• 56:40
  Speaker 10: is what it all breaks down to in my opinion.
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: Mario, if I could interject, we're talking about a type
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: of energy, am I right? Like you can feel this
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: stuff when you interact with it, but it's not really
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: clear to the audience unless they have an extended interaction
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: with these symbols to know what that feeling is. So
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: I want to ask you what is the feeling you get?
• 57:02
  Speaker 8: What is I would call it drill? Right, So rill
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: coming from that polar symbol. You've studied it for a
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: long time. I'm sure you can identify the emotions and
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: things like that associated with it in yourself.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think rill is appropriate. You know.
• 57:19
  Speaker 10: I just think of a unity, supreme unity, you know.
• 57:23
  Speaker 10: I think of the middle path, the middle way, the
• 57:26
  Speaker 10: internal journey, you know, being concerned with what's happening more
• 57:30
  Speaker 10: so locally and within versus without. To me, one of
• 57:34
  Speaker 10: the greatest ways I can break it down is polar
• 57:37
  Speaker 10: symbolism brings a vertical orientation, this axis between the above
• 57:41
  Speaker 10: and below, and to me, in my opinion, solar symbolism
• 57:45
  Speaker 10: has brought about a horizontal orientation where everything's completely flattened
• 57:49
  Speaker 10: out right, and so I think that that was one
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: of the big distinctions here between these things. But if
• 57:56
  Speaker 10: you show the first slide, if you don't mind whoever's
• 57:58
  Speaker 10: controlling the deck here, it's just the standard swastika that
• 58:01
  Speaker 10: you're going to find.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Associated with the Nazis.
• 58:05
  Speaker 10: And one of the things that did happen as well
• 58:07
  Speaker 10: is that it forms more of an X THENT across right.
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: It's tilted slightly right, but it's clear that this looks
• 58:15
  Speaker 10: like it's supposed to be moving, and in my opinion,
• 58:18
  Speaker 10: when we're talking about movement again, it goes back to
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: the movement of the heavens. I think that that's perhaps
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: the greatest, most transcendental, sort of symbolic example that we have,
• 58:26
  Speaker 10: so the movement of all things again around this interstellar axis.
• 58:31
  Speaker 10: And we can go to the next slide here, and
• 58:33
  Speaker 10: it's just a quote from Reneguent on.
• 58:36
  Speaker 8: Mario real quick. There's that triscalion element to the tilted
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: swastika that I think, you know, if people look into
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: the triscalion, they see it's the three sides and it's
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: in that sort of motion kind of thing. And you've
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: only got two flags of the world that have the
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: triscalion on it, which would be Sicily.
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: And the Isle of Man.
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: Yes, both of them are legs.
• 59:00
  Speaker 12: Yeah, So I say to your point about the pole
• 59:04
  Speaker 12: and then it being flattened like a field. I looked
• 59:08
  Speaker 12: up the etymology or meaning of Poland and it means
• 59:11
  Speaker 12: people of the field.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: So pole there is field.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Just oh interesting, Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: If the swastika is meant to convey motion and movement,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I'm still kind of thinking about this idea of real
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: being associated with it, like that's that's very interesting to me.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: And I just want to point out that, like from
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: what I understand, the concept of real really came about
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: through Edward Buller, Lytton or Lynton, who was a part
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: of that group of the Thule Society. Like they were
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: all in the same kind of a cou circle, like
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: with Sabatano or Fron even Bolobovsky. But I just want
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: to point out that I think this symbol like we've
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: presented today, in my mind, we've presented that the symbols
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: going back to a much much older culture and it's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: just the secret societies and the mystery schools sort of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: carrying it along and passing it along like a baton.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and I would love to circle back around to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 10: Vrill because there's a lot to chew on with that
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 10: for sure. So about the Swaska, went On says in
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 10: his book Fundamental Symbols. In my opinion, this is one
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: of the greatest symbolic books you can get your hands
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 10: on in the modern world. The Swaska is essentially the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 10: sign of the poll. It would seem that in modern
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: Europe it's true significance has never been made known. Most
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 10: often it is made out to be a solar sign.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 10: Exactly what I said earlier, and exactly my hunch as well.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 10: So when I read this, it blew my mind, which
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 10: it could only have become accidentally and in a rather
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 10: indirect way. And he has other quotes too about again
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 10: polar symbolism being truly primordial and solar symbolism being subordinate.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 10: So if you want to go through the next slide,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: we were kind of already on that, but you can
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 10: see all of the different sort of variations. So the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 10: fact that the Nazi swastika also it's rotating what way
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: in the polar direction. It's going counterclockwise, not clockwise right.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: This is more primordial again, just like the fixed stars,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 10: and just like the early skyclock, the early skyclock. Just
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 10: to be clear as well, it was really ursa major
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 10: and minor going around the Pole Star because it was
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 10: the center of the wheel of heaven basically right at
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 10: least to northern people or people in the northern hemisphere,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 10: but as far as China and India as well, they
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: had a reference, a reverence for these stars, these original
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 10: seven Stars of Enlightenment or some major has been referred to,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 10: so you can go to.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 8: You could see a little bit of the triscalion in
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: some of those symbols, and the triscalion is said to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: be the oldest symbol in human history.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Someone in the chat brought up the idea of well field,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: which is a Chinese character for a farm, and it
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: also forms the character for sun as well. I just
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: wanted to say this, in Chinese cosmology, like the Pole
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Star symbolism is extremely important. It's related to the Temple
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: of Heaven in Beijing, which people will sometimes say is
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: like a Taoist temple, but that's really a Tangrist or
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: a kind of heaven worship temple, and so the star
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: sort of asterism worship is a really important idea in
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Chinese culture because they've had different periods where they preferred
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: planets or stars, but the sort of pole star, and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: it's there are also Buddhist parallels, but it's a very
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: important deity for both that kind of like Manchurian Tangrism
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: as well as East Asian Buddhism. Sorry, I just wanted to.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: No right on, thank you.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 10: So the next slide you can go to it's just
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 10: more examples, right, obviously of Swaska's around the world.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: But there you go.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 10: There's the there's some major going around the Pole Star. Right,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 10: So my understanding I've said this so many times before
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 10: as well, but I actually think we get the number seven.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 10: The literally the shape of the number seven, I think
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 10: is a northern shape. I think it relates to basically,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 10: when you're looking at or some major the end of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 10: the vessel, part of the dipper points towards the Pole Star,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 10: and so there's kind of an implied line from that
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 10: last star there towards the Pole Star, and it looks
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 10: just like the number seven. And so the number seven
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 10: is so significant and so important for so many different reasons.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 10: It's absolutely wild.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: So there's even rail Mario, if I get interject real quick,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: think about the Little Dipper and the question mark.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Hmm, there you go, that's what you're saying.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, right right, Well, speaking of the Little Dipper,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 10: if you go to the next slide, you'll see the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 10: Little Dipper as well, or some major and URSA minors,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 10: So that's what I'm talking about. So people have said
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 10: that basically it's URSA major going around the Pole Star
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 10: like four times a year, one per season, right, just
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 10: almost if you take a snapshot, which again seems as
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 10: though this was the primordial skyclock things. Time was a
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 10: bit different, people had a different interpretation of time. So
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 10: you're following URSA major going around the Pole Star once
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 10: a year basically, right. And there's all sorts of different
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 10: ways in which people use URSA major and minor for
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 10: like eye tests and like things like that. So it
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 10: goes on and on and on and on. The Dipper
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: history is absolutely wild. You can cruise through the next
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 10: slide and go to the Black Sun, I think because
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 10: to me, in many ways these are like very closely related.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 10: And so once again this to me just it just
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 10: feels like a wheel, you know, wheel symbolism. We're talking
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 10: about India. India's flag is a wheel. You can't have
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 10: a wheel without the central axis. Right, So there's twelve
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 10: spokes right that are emanating. They're all going. By the way,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 10: once again, if there's a rotation here, it looks like
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 10: it's going counterclockwise, not clockwise.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 10: You could even say, by the way I've talked about this,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 10: there is an aspect here. You can basically make the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 10: argument that the left hand path is polar, that there's
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 10: a whole aspect of the left hand path being polar.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 10: And if you're going around a central totem counterclockwise, that
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 10: central totem is actually on your left hand side as well. Right,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 10: So there's even a left hand dynamic with counterclockwise rotation.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 10: And when you get into like black magic and some
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 10: of these authors I'm thinking of, like Kenneth Grant, I'm
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 10: thinking of like Michael Lakino, Stephen Flowers, things like that.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 10: Some of these guys they're all about Nazi symbolism and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 10: they have a whole relationship with the black sun and Saturn.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: And all sorts of things.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 10: Right, But to me, This feels almost just like a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 10: more circular, a more wheel like Swasika essentially, but the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 10: fact that there's twelve spokes.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: Mario, can I ask you a question. Do you think
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: I think the Nazis came up with the sun and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 8: ride or did it exist prior to them, you know,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: putting it in the basement of that Castleabelsburg.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not sure where it came from,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: to be honest.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: With you, have you ever read through that Vivelsburg working
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: that a Quino?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 11: Did you know?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: He went to the castle and I think I've read
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: through his own writings on that, and it seems like
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: he was trying to interact directly with the black Sun
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: and used the black Sun symbolism that's you know, ingrained
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: in like the marble floors and put up on the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: walls of the Vivelsburg castle that Himer had, you know.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: But this is like tied to inner Earth too, And
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: what was the Nazis at least because they were speaking
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: of real they believed that there was an entrances to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: the inner Earth, and they believed furthermore, they believe some
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: of the entrances were up at the North Pole, up
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: near that whole Hyperborean thing, and also that there was
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: like a race down there. And part of the belief
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: was that inside the Earth they didn't have a sun
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: in there, but they had some other form of energy
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: that they call it the black Sun. That it was
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: like the like the sun up here on the surface
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: procures the life force for plants and stuff. Well down there,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: it was the black Sun that had some sort of
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: a life force energy for real like stuff that facilitated
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: life down there. I always thought that that was fascinating.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Wikipedia says it was the Nazi symbols, so it
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 8: didn't actually have a version before that. But I think
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 8: that's just too convenient because it's got the twelve spokes,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: which is perfect for that coolar symbolism, you know. I mean,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 8: how could it not have existed before the time of
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: the Nazis, That's what I want. I want to know.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 10: So, in my opinion, the Black Sun from everything I've gathered,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 10: if you want to skip a couple of slides and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 10: go to the list, there's a list that I have here,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 10: and there is the tile work in the castle. We
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 10: can go past that there.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: You go right here.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 10: When we're referring to the spiritual sun, black sun, philosopher's son,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 10: midnight sun, invisible sun, central Sun, or secret son. We're
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 10: actually referring to the exact same thing in my opinion,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 10: in my estimation, and it's actually a stationary son at
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 10: where the center. That's why it has so much center
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 10: symbolism associated with it, and that's why a lot of
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 10: symbols that associate with the center as well have been
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 10: related to the center of the world. And I think
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 10: that there has been basically it's been misunderstood, and I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 10: don't personally. I know that there's major caverns, I know
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 10: that there's major things underneath the earth, but I am
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: not personally like a hollow earther person. So when I
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 10: think of the center of the earth, I don't think
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: of actually penetrating the earth. I'm only thinking of the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 10: middle of the earth, like as in the north, as
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 10: in the central pole, basically right the world axis. So really,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: in actuality, the black Sun is a world access symbol.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 10: It represents the center of the wheel, it represents the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 10: point of pivot for all things. It's just it's a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 10: more esoteric understanding of things. And even midnight, the midnight sun,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 10: the midnight time of day, time of night, midnight has
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 10: all sorts of polar connotations with it. There's a reason why,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 10: as an example, you know the Catholic Mass, the midnight
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 10: Mass happens. You know in Capricorn. There's a huge attorning
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 10: aspect with midnight. You know, the turning of the year
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 10: from year to year. You know at midnight. All of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 10: the midnight celebrations, generally in the West, happened during Capricorn season,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 10: and so there's a lot of good reasons for that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: And also I'll just say, twelve o'clock on a clock
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: is pointing up.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 10: North on a compass is pointed up, so literally twelve
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 10: o'clock on a clock face and then North is in
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 10: the exact same position. So I made a video about this,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 10: about all of the ways in which it relates to
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 10: each other.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: So that's my person.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: We also have to consider how cold it is in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 8: the winter, so you could see the entire sky. There's
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: no humidity, there's no clouds, there's nothing blocking your view
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: of the entire night sky. So to have these celebrations
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 8: in the winter time seems so natural. You know, you've
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: got all these fires and everything, you know, glowing and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 8: then you're looking up at the sky and you're appreciating
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: your gods. In that way, it makes so much more
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 8: sense to appreciate this polar sort of world in the wintertime.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: M Yeah, I mean even the Northern lights.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 10: You know, there's a whole thing with the Northern lights
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 10: and the symbolism behind the Northern lights and what that
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 10: represents and everything else. Also, Christmas is like the most
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 10: overt northern holiday that we actually have.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Where does Santa come from? It comes from the North Pole.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 10: It's more of a modern tradition, but the whole dynamic
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 10: of putting a star on top of a tree, that's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 10: the North Star on top of the world tree, that's
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 10: basically the world axis in your home, and you're putting
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 10: the central star, you know, right on top of it.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 10: In my opinion, so if you just want to go
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 10: up one slide, this is one of Gwennan's quotes. He says,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 10: it goes without saying that these two symbolisms, polar and solar,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 10: must never be confused, and that, as we have often indicated,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 10: polar symbolism is far more fundamental and in fact truly primordial.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 10: I can't find anything that contradicts to this personally, that's
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 10: just though. And then if you just want to go
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 10: back to the black sun symbol to just go up
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 10: one or two, you know, we're dealing with twelve spokes.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 10: That means there's a hidden relationship with the number thirteen. Right,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 10: The number thirteen breaks cycles. It's even been said that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 10: the number thirteen breaks solar cycles. And so in the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 10: astrology world, there's you know, people debate on whether there's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 10: twelve or thirteen signs. If you have twelve, you know, signs,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 10: that means that there's actually a relationship with the number
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 10: thirteen because also there's the point of pivot in the middle.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: If there's a thirteenth sign, however, which it would be
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: a Luturus.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 8: Lunar calendar, that's exactly right, the luter calendar would include
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: that thirteenth sign.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 10: So when you get deep into a fucus symbolism and
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 10: you start understanding why it's the thirteenth sign, it's because
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 10: it breaks solar paradigms, It breaks solar patterns thoroughly. And
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 10: actually a fucus is more central, which means that it's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 10: actually more northern than all of the other signs. A
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 10: fucus has been referred to as a bend in the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 10: river or the exit from the zodiac where to the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 10: northern sky. That's what it's all about. That's what a
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 10: fucus is, the most polar sign in the zodiac, which
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 10: is why it's such a controversial sign.
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  Speaker 2: Right away, those are just some of my thoughts, you know,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: on the block sum there.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: So Aquino wrote that he was in here in the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Hall of the Dead in Heimrich Kindler's sanctorium. He talks
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: about how I just think this is interesting, right, so
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna throw it in and he's like he
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: talks about how he starts to see sigils before him
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: and they go on to like influence the order of
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: the trapezoid. But he's like, you know, I see, I
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: see the two lower points, the three curved sixes, the
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: trient rising from the flames of Hell. I saw its
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: ladder design in the church, the sixes and the flames
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: now gone. And he just goes on to kind of
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: talk about how he's he's adapting the sisual based on
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: this vision that he has, and he says in here
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: somewhere where that the feeling of the room rushed over him,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: and it's like, man, this guy's like totally embracing like stuff.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: I totally get what he's doing, though I do understand
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: from a tontric perspective, like he's trying to receive the word.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: This is obviously a big part of the order of
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: trapezoids is the keywords from each angle represents a key word.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: They don't have all the keywords. A Quano didn't leave
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: them all of them. That's just sort of the lore
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: as far as I understand it. And so it's always
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: like this kind of search for the spectral, like Mario's
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: talking about, like the thirteenth sort of it's an axial pivot.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: So this is like very contric again, like this is
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: why there's two real factions. There's like the faction that
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: draw from the ETAs in this like kind of tenth
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: century Pagan kang material, and then there's also people who
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: draw from Tontra. And then like so this more you know,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: primordial Himalayan stuff, because like when you guys are talking
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: about like our Ariyans, this is very well understood for
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: East Asians. I know this is going to be a
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: sort of surprised people. But Tibetans believe that they are Ariya,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: they believe that they are noble, they think that they're
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: the shows and ones. So it's it's often a matter
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: of perspective, often a matter of view, like who do
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: you put in the place of the Magi. Well, if
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: you ask men Buddhists, they would say that they are
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: the true inheritors of like the tradition of the magi,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: because we even practice homa to this day, which is
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: a fire worship. So I'm just saying that there are
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: you know, there are racial component is only one layer.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: It's really like so much more further ranging than that.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Even geographical like what is considered the north, like Kazakhstan
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: considers itself the north, Like where I live is considered
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to be like.
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  Speaker 2: Subarctic exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 10: No, No, that that's the whole entire thing is the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 10: center is everywhere, and so so from what I've gathered
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 10: is that the original homeland potentially was at the north. Uh,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 10: the original pilgrimage location was at the north. So that
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 10: means that all pilgrimage locations all places where people kind
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 10: of like plant their flag, they put their pole in
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 10: the ground, right and they call this home and they
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 10: say that this is I think it's a very healthy
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 10: thing for a culture or a group of people to
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 10: have a place in their backyard that they consider to
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 10: be the navel of the earth, the center of the world, right,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 10: And so there's so many examples of this.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: That's healthy, that's really healthy.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 10: And also it goes back to this primorial origin story
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 10: that all of humanity has, even at a level.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 8: Oh just real quick, you're not like what happens though?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: What do you mean is what's the only version of
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 8: polar symbolism North America has?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: It depends on how glogacysm.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 8: I mean, that's the only.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: There's actually multiple. Now there's you know, you have Tibetan
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Buddhism that obviously I Nick showed the image. There's that's
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: sort of the symbol also of Bonpo, which is the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: primordial they say twenty six thousand years. That's their own dating.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: They say they're the pre Deluvian religion. So I'm just
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: passing it along. I don't belong to it.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: I thought you were.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: Uh sorry, I'm I'm delayed.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 8: I'm delayed.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I have this.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 9: I was gonna say I thought you were talking about
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: the Hope and Navajo and other.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: American Indian Yeah, exactly.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 9: With the swastika, and before World War Two, many people
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 9: in the United States were used it as a fashion
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 9: symbol and also many American Native American culture did too,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 9: just because they had already you know, found it to
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 9: be profound.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: It's it's true, we think, but it goes back to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: the concept of what is this rill? What is this
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: energy coming from this north place? And in my experience,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 8: it feels like a slap across the face. That's what
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 8: real feels like to me. It's like, wake up, wake up,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: what are you doing?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: That slap across the face feeling? Is this kind of
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 8: brill that is before like a combat scenario, You've got
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: to wake up. And if everything in America is pointing
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: to this thirteen right, we've got thirteen colonies, thirteen arrows,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 8: thirteen stars, all these thirteens, it's pointing towards that same
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 8: kind of slap in the face feeling.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying that, you know, all polar symbolism is that,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: but that's an element of it. You know, that slap
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 8: in the face, cold water, wake up, what are you
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 8: doing with your life. Kind of feeling goes along with
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: this polar symbolism that I think is rising up in
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 8: the current eon we're entering into.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 10: You know, it's interesting too, there's a lot to be
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 10: said about the age of Aquarius potentially bringing about a
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 10: polar age, and just my sort of loose interpretation of that,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 10: my armchair interpretation of that. It's fascinating that the card
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 10: that corresponds with Aquarius in the major arcana is the
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 10: star card. There's usually seven stars in the heavens, either
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 10: seven in total or one with seven surrounding it. I've
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 10: made multiple videos and presentations about how this is the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 10: star of stars. It's the pole star, right, So there's
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 10: a direct in my opinion. I know there's room for
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 10: debate here, but in my opinion, it's a reference to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 10: the North Star. And so isn't that interesting there's a
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 10: north star connection with Aquarius. There's actually north star northern
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 10: connection with all the signs in my opinion, and actually
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 10: the origins of the zodiac itself.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: You know, it's the same.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 10: Story above and below this idea about man migrating or
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 10: having an arcticome land, it's the exact same thing with
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 10: the stars in my estimation from what I can gather, right, So, yeah,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 10: something I want to think it.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 8: Goes back to the tricksters.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Oh go ahead, No, I agree with that too, actually
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: head of those. Yeah, I like the trickster, the astro
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: theological trickster that as I like to call it. And
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: these conjunctions like we've got this Saturn Neptune conjunction and
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: coming up next year, and some people were talking about
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: how it's going to you know, be a Renaissance type
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: of a period.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Zero point ingress. I just want to say, zero point
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: ingress is happening.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: And I was gonna I was wondering what, you know,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: what Mario sees as far as those conjunctions, like, is
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: there anything you know significantly polar in in the cards
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: for the future.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I think it is.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: Well, no, sorry, that's what we're saying about the trickster thing.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 8: No, that's that's that's my point. It's like, look around
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: at what's going on around us. This is not just
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 8: confined to these esoteric reviews of symbols. It's happening right now.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 8: We're seeing this shift from solar back to polar. We're
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: seeing it happen in front of us. That's what we're feeling.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 8: You know this, this is current events. I think a
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 8: lot of people don't understand that. But there's a shift
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 8: in consciousness happening. Whether we accept it as being like
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 8: a fourth dimensional, fifth dimensional kind of thing, it's not
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: the thing that's happening. There is a shift in consciousness.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: And well, there's a shift in consciousness if we decide
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: that we're all moving in an axial system. I personally
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: believe we are moving in an axial system as well,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: but I'm also good at so we believe in axial system.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: That's like kind of foundational for us.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 8: So that's what the foundational aspect of it. It's like
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 8: there's a shift in the foundation itself.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I think if you're just like totally oblivious to everything,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: then it doesn't matter.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 11: Well, I think when i'm something I kind of wanted
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 11: to throw in here.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: How I think what Headless was trying to say, how
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: I was seeing it is that like during the Nazi party,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: and I would say, now, now you're seeing the swasticker.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: No matter how the fuck it's used, it's still popping
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: up regardless, it's showing up in different areas, and people
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: are getting into this mindset. Something's got to change and
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: people start rising up regardless of what the outcome is.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: I what I was gonna say is I do see
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: how I think the Nazi Party, you know, with Hitler,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: perfected that.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Kind of rise up change.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: What the fuck is wrong? These peoples are bad? That
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: person's bad. Why we're letting this happen? And we're seeing
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: it again now when we had oh.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 11: The trainees, these people, COVID.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: All this stuff is all, you know whatever, you're seeing
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: it again now Trump may not be fucking wearing the swastika,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: but it's showing up in other countries anyway, right.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 8: And you know, if we look at ourselves and understand that, hey,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 8: you know, there's a shift that's been delayed a long time,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 8: and we all know that a lot of people are
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 8: just coasting because they don't have to consider any of
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 8: the energetic consequences of their actions. You know, like it's
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 8: just not a thing where we live right now. But
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 8: if we take an introspective look at what we've done,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 8: it's it's not a pretty picture, you know, because it's
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 8: like there's a perspective shift that's happening, right, So we're
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 8: seeing ourselves from outside ourselves. And I think that's what
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 8: things are happening with this trickster level energy because as
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 8: we see ourselves and the things we've done, like who
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 8: we've elected, what we think is going to happen, we
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 8: understand that that's not a reality and never has been,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 8: and that's a big blow to our collective egos. You
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, It's like, that's.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 13: Not that would be That would be the next big
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 13: shift in consciousness is people waking up from from the
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 13: current SiO that you know with the government stuff.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: That's I don't want to get too political here or
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: so I'm trying to like and.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 8: The next one and the next one. You know what
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 8: I'm saying, It's like, it's all of it is within
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 8: that same perspective.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 11: One thing I did on.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: Chris, you got Chris Bledsoe out there saying that there's
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: a a shift in consciousness coming next year on Easter
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: that's connected with the divine fitling in so uh, Nick,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: I think I jumped on you there.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: Another thing, I have associated that symbol with the the
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: idea of death. That's just my opinion because my own
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: experiences and in the times when you see it. You're
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: seeing a lot of fucking death, regardless if it's from
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: a bomb, a fake disease, an injection, whatever the fuck
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 11: People have been dying. Also, when you see this image rising.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 8: Path souls, you know it's the path of souls. It's
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: the change in the in the equinox, when theodox shifts. Well,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: we're seeing it.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: You gotta remember a god was always seen in fire,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: or most of the time he was seen in fire.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: You know, the burning bush, the thing that led to Israelites.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 7: And what does fire create? What does it do?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 6: It destroys things, But it's also a rebirth after that,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 6: So every time you destroy something's got to be a
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 6: rebirth right after.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 11: That's the magician, the return when he comes back.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 10: The major has also been referred to as the coffin
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 10: of Osiris, right, and so that's very interesting. Also, we
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 10: can't forget that dot, the hidden Sepharos on the cobblistic tree.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 10: The eleventh is the gateway to the Clipophic tree, the
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 10: root side or the night side of the Tree of life,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 10: and Doth associates with the north right, and so so
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 10: there's that relationship as well. And so the death thing definitely.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 10: There's like a lot of different angles with.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: That Zoroastra Tostrianism, with their fire, with their fire guy,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: you know, cleansing up the body. Instead of cleansing with
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 6: with with water, they was cleansing with fire.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: They had to fire.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a great wave.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 8: Actually, Iranians are converting back to Zoroastrian religions right now
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 8: in record numbers.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think they ever really if you understand how
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Iranian Islam really worked, the Iranians never really converted to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: anything point. They've always been Zoroastrian Manichean. They've always been
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: a mystery religion country. The rumor was even during the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: seventies at the the king or the prince, I'm forgetting.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Lisa, I'm trying to I'm not being exact.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: I know I should be more specificity. He the rumor
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: was always that he was a Zoroastrian, that they would
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: import like all these animals, like very like that Rodolfo
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: guy in Mexico. They would import like lions. That's part
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: of vitic Yashna. People want to talk about, like return
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: to the worship of the ancestors and the gods like
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: that requires human sacrifice, eagle sacrifice, elephant sacrifice, lion sacrifice,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: for sacrifice literally every day into a into a like
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: a huge yajna fire. So this is not a realistic
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: it's like the click backwards that that we can't really
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: go backwards to like a Vedic you know, kingship. We
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: have to sort of move forwards. And I think that's
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: also like the tonka that I that Nick brought up
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: before with the goddess holding it like that is the
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: goddess of the pole Star. She is the Barbello of
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: the seven Mantos, the seven mothers of the Pole Star.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 8: And every click backward is a click forward in time.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you say that headless because she did
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: a pole is actually the actual quote unquote air quotes
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: pole of her husband and she bites it off and
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: she but he actually gains it back. It's just it's
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: one part of the story, right, because that's a much
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: more sort of dharmic way to consider it. In different
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: parts of the story can there is no real chronology
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: because if you live in a dharmaic system, it's axial,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: oxial and cyclical at the same time. So different parts
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: of the story actually don't need to be in chronological order.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: They can, but they can still be connected.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 8: So that the.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Might represent this sort of knowledge being dormant in many
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: different cultures, because you do see it showing up as
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: somebody like if you look at the Soup or the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: Sumbee tribe, they were a branch off of the Persian
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Aryan bloodline. That's where we get Sweden.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 14: Sweden was named, so maybe the Swedes seems like they
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 14: were part of this at some point, part of this
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 14: persian Arian bloodline, and they used that Swiss swastika a
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 14: lot over there, and even like I think there were
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 14: hired all.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: He was looking and he found some records that indicated
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: that Odin from Norse mythology founded the Swedish dynasty and
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: that he came out of maybe even a Semitic bloodline.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: So it's not clear who Odin really is. That's what
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: I think is really interesting about what you're saying to
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: him is that a lot of people, like I'm not
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: into the I'm not into any paganism, but like in particular,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not into the North stuff, but I do understand
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: it to a degree because of people around me, and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: I will just say that he's a very dynamic figure,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: so he can like take what to saying like that
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: could be part of his story. And like the thing
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: about Odin, even though I don't really identify with that
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: at all, is that he can handle many stories attached
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, he's kind of like a deity of
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: the paradoxes, many paradoxes, so he can actually handle contradiction.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Totally. And I see Odin as being very mercurial.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: And I know that you were talking about the trickster
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 10: Headless and the trickster is very mercurial as well. Right,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 10: I see mercury all over the place, And actually I
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 10: would say that if there's a deity slash planet that
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 10: is highly polar nature, it's mercury. Always associated with the phallus,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 10: with the pole, you know, all of these different types
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 10: of things and traveling between realms, being the messenger of
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 10: the gods. How is he getting there through the central axis?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: In my opinion?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 10: And so I just want to riff on a couple
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 10: of things real quick about sort of the spiritual shift
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 10: with everything here. So just bringing up the wheel because
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 10: it's appropriate with the swastika symbolically the wheel, right, we're
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 10: all kind of like our own wheel. The wheel is
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 10: one of the most important symbols out there in my estimation.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 10: The outside of the wheel relates to division and multiplicity.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 10: It represents being outside of self. The outside of the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 10: wheel is best related to Earth itself and physicality. It's
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 10: the least balanced part of the wheel. And so you
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 10: want to go to the center of the wheel. You
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 10: want to go to the center of your wheel, know
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 10: thyself and you'll know the universe. The middle of the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 10: wheel is the transcendental part of the wheel because you're
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 10: now dealing with the axle. And when you get there, symbolically,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 10: you are the prime mover unmoved mover. You are immutable.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 10: You cause the wheel to turn by being stationary. This
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 10: is going to the center of self. To me, this
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 10: is what polar symbolism is all about, is the center
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 10: of self and realizing the transcendental aspect of self that
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 10: completely surpasses your actual own identity and personality and birth
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 10: date and sun sign and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 10: You're a part of the Godhead, right, and so it's
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 10: acknowledging the most aspect of who you are. So that's
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 10: what polar symbolism brings about. That's why I think it's
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 10: actually a dangerous thing, or was a dangerous thing to promote.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Because it's too holistic. It brings everything back to center.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 10: And what Gwennon says, who's my mentor teacher right now,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 10: is that the difference between the Golden Age and the
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 10: current dark age that we're in is literally the loss
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 10: of the awareness of the center of Heaven of Earth
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 10: it self. Right, there's a golden thread or cord that
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 10: exists between the center of self and the center of
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 10: the cosmos, you know, And so that's kind of how
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 10: I see it.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: And there's a very strong heart.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 10: Based aspect to polar wisdom as well, being the symbolic center,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 10: one of the symbolic centers in self right, and so
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 10: also the heart itself also.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Being related to like a seed being related to.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 10: A cave also pumping blood and then the blood returning
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 10: back to it, So it has the toroidal symbolism connected
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 10: to it, heart also being an anagram for Earth as well.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 10: There's all sorts of things that go along with it.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 10: The color green related to it, you know, the central
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 10: chap he dealing.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something interesting that you said Mario
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: about like the return to self, because this is the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: difference between like maybe you could say that if you
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: want to say there's a horizontal access between east and west.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: We don't have an eternalist idea fixed self. So like
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: when you're like this, you can see this. In Islam
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: they have a much more i would call it Gevatic
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: and NETSC or a Venus in Mars kind of relationship
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: where they like to purify the full self, like they
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: want no self, but they kind of want to go
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: through the fire into annihilation. And obviously Gwennan did become
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: a Muslim in the end and so but they also
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: have that preference and just like Mormons, Mormons like that,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: like NETSC kind of like a return infinite money, infinite
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: money magic. That's totally fine, but I'm just saying that
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: they also have like a more eternalist kind of idea
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: of the soul and like where it's like we have
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: a more infinite kind of way of looking at it
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: where you can also go up, you can also come back.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: It's like a dynamic kind of it's a dynamic action
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: of the sult rather than fixed so what and there's
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: no soul, there's no soul, sorry.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: No worries. What camp does this fit in with the
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: concept of.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 10: Getting to such a transcendental point within that the self
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 10: does not exist, nor does duality, nor does separate.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, you have to be well obviously. Yeah for TNRE
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: you have to be nondual for one hundred percent like must.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: But then there's no self. But there is a self
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: that because just because you negate something doesn't mean it
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist. This is ton tric logic. So yes, it's
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: a little paradoxical, but we would say that the paradox
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: is always resolved in the concert. So if you're doing
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: an external deity practice, it makes sense. This, this concept
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: makes sense, is what I'm saying. And so, uh, basically
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: you get to a place of uh emptiness, which is
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: as Lisa so eloquently said, I often quote you, Lisa
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: saying this as masslessness and luminousness.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 10: So exactly that's what I mean when I when I
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 10: I think that when you return to your most ultimate self,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 10: that that's what occurs, is what It's interesting language.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 8: What I'm hearing is Jim preaching Rudolph Spangler's Decline of
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 8: the West. When a certain society has reached a conclusion
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 8: point for the questions they've had of nature. They start
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 8: to decline and shift.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: Right, and so is it a decline or is it entropy?
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: And that you're inserting randomness and you're not inerting chaos,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: you're inserting randomness. And so it's this movement towards disorder
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: in order to promote order. And it's almost like the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: Swastika itself, in its spiral or it's infiniteness, is trying
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: to reset or maybe with the rail or the Nazis,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: we're trying to do is to throw the cards up
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: in the air so that they can create randomness in
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: order to reset the deck in their favor in odds.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: And that's I think.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: I think when we concentrate on the actual swastika and
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: talk about systems or government systems, we are being so
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: myopic in our thoughts. It has nothing to do with Matt,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with the current government systems
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: that are in existence today. It has everything to do
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: with creating randomness so that we can reset the odds
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: in our favor or whoever is holding the cards rather
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: or at least attempting to.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Ecoherence. I think that's exactly that's one of the key words. Further,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: if you want to call it the aon. So I think, yeah,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: that's at least exactly what she said, encapsulated perfectly.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: Heard of sailor he burned it all down with a
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: chaotic mentality, so you can rebuild rebellious mentality.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, because if you think about World War Two,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: let's just be honest, it had nothing to do with
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: the Nazis. It had everything to do with occultism. It
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: did nothing to do anything other than I'm going to
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: take your toys because I want to be a more
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: powerful magician.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: Was it?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 15: That was it?
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 11: That's all pretty much. That's what I think.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 8: It's Oswald Stangler. I kept saying Rudolph, but it's Oswald
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 8: Spangler clime of the West. He was not part of
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 8: the Nazi Party, but he was making a quantitative review
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 8: of the different societies that had risen up and then
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 8: fallen down. And so what he concluded was when they
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 8: had answered the questions that started those societies, then they
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 8: ended up declining and shifting into something else. And so
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 8: I think that's a really potent examination of history. Is
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 8: because all of this stuff comes from the mind. First,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 8: you know, and so the mind of the people participating
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 8: in that society end up creating the aggrigores that can
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 8: be answered or declined, you know what I'm saying. So
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 8: that whole shift, I think is pretty specific to what
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 8: we're going through now in the United States and why
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 8: it's so poland you know, it all draws back into itself.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: Also, the Nazis knew that they couldn't show the world
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: certain aspects of their full character, especially the occult stuff,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: And that's why we're playing catch up right now, and
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of people are finding that there's a lot
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: of information out there that's kind of been hanging out
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: in the shadows. Like you can't just watch a lot
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: of World War two documentaries and expect to know the
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: full nature of what went down with that war. And like,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: the Nazis were really good at masking certain elements of
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: their character. Like even when they held the Olympics, they
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: put on a totally different, you know, facade for the world.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: They stopped being racist to the Jews out in the streets,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: and you know, they were harassing Jewish businesses. They stopped
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: all that, and they did other things they put on
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: They put on a mask for the camera. They knew
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: how to mask this stuff. And even like if you
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: look at the story of Hitler and the clairvoyant han Nussen,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: Hitler kind of used him, got him on a chanologe
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: out of him, including occult knowledge and how to use
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: mandrake root and all kinds of stuff for ritual purposes.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: And then they killed that guy. They killed him, so
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: they cleaned up after themselves, especially with this occult stuff.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 8: There's so many good examples of people that have escaped
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 8: from both Nazism and Communism because it seemed like dueling magicians, right,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 8: and you see a lot of this because, uh, if
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 8: you look at how the Nazis rescued El Duccea, the
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 8: boss of Italy, is they used a bunch of dowsers.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: They were.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: Divination that story, it's awesome.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 8: They were also using it to do sub hunting. They
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: were using dowsers to show them where these different submarines
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 8: were in the Atlantic.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was an admiral in the Nazi navy who had.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 8: Nazis who beat the Nazis, Jerald Gardner with his Cone
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 8: of power. Have you ever heard of the Cone of power? Ritual?
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 8: Within Wika. It's the polar symbolism. You're just going around
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: in a circle and you're building up energy and you're
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 8: driving it out towards whatever target you want it to be.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 8: And they did the Code of Power ritual to disrupt
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 8: Nazi dowsing, which creates an at a luma, right. I
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 8: mean you're creating a figure eight every time you're dowsing
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 8: with the with the pendulums over a map. So that's
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 8: plar symbolism over a solar symbolism.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Even in Freemasonry, the.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: What is it?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 10: The plumb line is a known world access symbol, which
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 10: reminds me very much of a pendulum.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 8: Right there you go.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: So one of the things I was.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 10: Going to bring up as well is, you know Vrill
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 10: was brought up several times, right, and so I have
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 10: a take on what's going on there with that. It's
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 10: been honestly years since I really dove into that information.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 10: One of the things I heard recently as well is
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 10: like the well known photos of the women of that society,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 10: Maria or Sik and stuff like that, they do look doctored,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 10: they really do. It's very very soft, sort of lock
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 10: in deep than using photoshop.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 13: Damn.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, while he's frozen, Mario, you froz there for a second.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I miss far that, But I will
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: agree with you on that. I can't find a lot
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: of credibility to any of those real society pictures.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: But what were we saying, right, right, yeah, exactly.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 10: Well, one of the details that really interested me years
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 10: ago when I was diving through all this stuff was
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 10: the relationship to al Debaron. And this is a massive
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 10: royal star in Taurus, right, it's the eye of the bull.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 10: So in the Taurus constellation you have two stars that
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 10: represent its eyes. You have al Debaran or Aldebaran, and
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 10: then you have Eyeen, which is like Hebrew for I itself, right,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 10: And Taurus and bull and cow symbolism has been something
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 10: that I've been interested in for a very very long time. Actually,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 10: it was one of my first deep dive rabbit holes,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 10: was the cow and the bowl, and so I've always
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 10: been interested in it. And then, of course you can't
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 10: get interested, or you can't dive into Taurus symbolism the
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 10: constellation without getting into the Pleiades as well, right, the
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 10: Seven Sisters it's often called. And so one of the
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 10: things that real society. You know, Lore basically says is
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 10: that they were in contact with their ancestry from El Debaron, right.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 10: And so to me, I find a lot of symbolism
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 10: connected to Taurus and the Pleiades very intriguing when people
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 10: make reference to either it being an exit out of here,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 10: a gateway here, or that they're ancestry or that they're
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 10: in touch, you know, with you know, other beings or
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 10: what have you, from that neck of the woods in
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 10: the heavens.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 10: And so my personal take is that this axis between
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 10: Taurus and Scorpio is actually a newer modern axis that
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 10: basically took off during the Solar Age, during heliocentric times.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 10: And so with Taurus again you have aldeboron massive royal star,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 10: and then opposite of Taurus is Scorpio, and you have
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 10: in Terras, which is the heart of the scorpion, right.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: And so between Taurus.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 10: And Scorpio, it's been referred to as Taurus has been
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 10: referred to as the I believe the silver gates or
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 10: the golden gate, can't remember which ones which, And then
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 10: Scorpio has been referred to as the opposite a golden
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 10: gate or a silver gate.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Taurus has been referred to.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 10: As basically the gateway to Hell because it is opposite
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 10: of Scorpio, and its opposite of the galactic center. Right Scorpio,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 10: when you're looking towards it, you're actually looking towards the
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 10: galactic center. So this axis is really important. And so
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 10: my personal opinion is that actually all of the axis
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 10: polarity signs in this zodiac are also really important. And
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 10: so you can look at the zodiac if you're going
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 10: by twelve signs, you can study the twelve signs. Obviously
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 10: I do encourage that. That's what I do on my
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 10: channel all the time. But it's almost as though there's
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 10: like six pairs of signs, right, So there's six sort
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 10: of axises that across.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: The ecliptic.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 10: And so my opinion is that all of these axis
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 10: polarity pairings actually are all emblematic of the original axis.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 10: Basically that this vertical orientation during a more golden age,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 10: Hyperborian age, polar age, whatever you want to say, that
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 10: was the primary axis. It was vertical, and as I
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 10: said earlier, there was a vertical orientation with the divine
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 10: and then during heliocentric solar times everything became flattened and
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 10: everything became more horizontal. So what happened was there needed
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 10: to be a substitute for ursa major in the northern sky,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 10: and the best substitute was the Pleiades right next to Taurus,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 10: because it has it doesn't actually have seven main stars,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 10: it actually has six. And there's lore about the missing
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 10: seventh star, about the missing seventh sister. She goes missing, basically.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 7: And so the.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 10: Symbolism associated with the northern sky and the world axis
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 10: literally shifted to Taurus and Scorpio during the solar age basically,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 10: And so Guanan has written about this. There's other traditional
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 10: perennial authors that have written about this about this shift.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 10: But I think also all of the polarities, all of
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 10: the six axises, axes, whatever, they all represent this original
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 10: axis basically.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: So I think this is interesting.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 10: So if you backtrack the symbolism, and I you know,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 10: symbolic shift is one thing that I didn't even realize
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 10: I would get into, but I'm.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: Interested in it.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 10: So if you backtrack the symbolism, and we have this
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 10: group who says that they're in touch with their ancestry
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 10: or ets from this place in the heavens, and they look, Ariyan,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 10: you know, to me, this just echoes back to this
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 10: northern symbolism basically that we've been talking about, and so
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 10: to me, that's more of a clearer sort of picture. Also,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 10: the northern sky ursa major. If you look at the
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 10: Dendari zodiac, the Egyptian den de arizodiac, which I know
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 10: that's like a later creation or whatever. Ursa major is
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 10: a bull's thigh. It's the thigh of the bull, also
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 10: called the thigh of set. So there's literally northern bull
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 10: symbolism also attached to that portion of the heavens. So
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 10: I just think that there was this great shift from
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 10: what was going on up there, including some bull stuff,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 10: and then got shifted over to that neck of the woods.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's Flenny, it's funny. I'm sorry.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: Even if the real society was just a lot of
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: about nothing, a lot to do about nothing, maybe there
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: is something there. I don't want to discount it totally,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: but let's just say there's no real society. Some of
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: the other the Ata society or in the Two Ley Society.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: Those guys was, like I said, they were in all
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: these other orders. What they were trying to do was
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: this was like a cult renaissance that's happening in around
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: the turn of the century in Germany, and these guys
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: are trying to bring back in this area and symbolism
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: and bring back in what they believe was an area
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: of bloodline. So they're trying to reconnect with it. And
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: I think that's what the Nazi Party was born out
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: of real society or no real society.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 7: It's funny, ya I was mentioning play.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: It is because when you look at plays from the
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 6: tainos Uh, they usually looked at it as a time
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 6: for agriculture needs. That's when they usually when the reigning
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 6: season used to start to begin. But then you have
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 6: in the Popo Vu which you have the four hundred
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: boys who are creating the plaidy system. And then if
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 6: you look at the Book of Ena, you have according
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 6: to the Hagadah, the angel Shimazi listed after a Median
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 6: name is ta' is Tahar, and that's basically where they
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 6: get God re warded is Tahar for her by commemorating
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 6: her as the seven star constellation plates. So you have
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 6: the seven star complaites everywhere from and it's usually has
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: something to do with agricultural needs. So that that's very
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: interesting because once it meets a certain point in the sky,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 6: that's when the rainy season will happened, and that's when
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: they need to start doing agriculture. Where you also got
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: to remember the Seven Sisters were also known as the
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: four hundred Boys. That's the ones from the Popo Vu
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 6: who created the plate system because a giant basically brought
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: down their house and then they became the four hundred Boys.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 6: So it's interesting y'all was talking about the plate system.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 7: Very interesting.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: What you said, Tyrone was really interesting to me simply
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: because in Taoism, the nine emperor gods are also considered
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: to be the sons who compose the pliates. Now, this
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: is an ancient ancient like Sean Dai see sort of
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: Daoist proto Daoist pria Daoist idea, but it's continued onward
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: to this day, and they there's a conflation that has
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: happened over the last like two thousand years where sometimes
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: they get associated with different constellations, different planets. It's never
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: quite the same. But the oldest story is that they
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: are the sons of the Emperor, the Jade Emperor usually
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: but not always, who then can comprize excuse me, the Pleiades.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: And then also to what Mario was saying, there's a
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: really interesting story from Nepal that says that the Matracas
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: or the Pleiades sisters who are called mothers, not sisters,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: but that can also they can also be called sisters,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: so it can be either or there's actually eight so
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: ashta matraca, so then that means that there's a hidden ninth,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: so that can be understood. But then also goes back
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: to what Tyrone said. So the swastika would have been
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: that symbol that Lisa said, the swasti to the quarterly
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: turn of every year, it would worship a quadrant in
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: the form of the goddess riding a lion. Then she
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: would divide maybe into like the oldest one that we
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: know is called the knavroa tree, so the nine nights.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: So then it becomes like a nine spoke wheel with
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Dirga in the center. And sometimes you can add Shiva
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: in to make that hidden eleventh that Mario reference, because
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Shiva really is your mind, it's not it's like the
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: person witnessing. You could say the wheel turning. So I
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: just I thought that was really.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 6: Interesting yeah, you can even go back to the to
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: the Dogone tribe. If you go back to the Dogone tribe,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: they even connect to the seven seven sisters or the
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 6: platy system, and that represented men and fish.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 8: So this is very Shiva first appeared to Brahma as
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 8: a massive poll that stretched thousands of trillions of miles
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 8: in either direction.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: And Shiva can be am in his own piranhas though.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: That's that's what I was talking about, shocked deep.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 8: Piranhas, right, But I'm just saying, like, very literally, Shiva
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 8: was a poll at one time to demonstrate how far
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 8: he could reach in either direction. So I mean that's
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 8: that's polar symbolism, up, down, left and right.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 11: Tyrone? You done?
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah? What's that was up?
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 11: You done?
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I was done.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: I was just showing some.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 6: Sources from the Tainos to the to the Popo Vu
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: to the Book.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: Of Vena, you know. And I mean you can go
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: anywhere with with.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 6: The seven Sisters and play, because each one of them
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 6: has their own understanding. But it's a certain part or
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 6: time in the life where they only worship that that sunrise.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: Or that that that star, what you want to call it.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 6: So it's just very interesting because it has to I mean,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 6: it goes back to the raining system, season and agriculture.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: And what was very interesting what he was talking about
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: when he was talking about the cows and bulls and
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 6: stuff like that. A lot of people don't know this,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 6: but if you live by a farm, most cows or
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 6: bulls when they when they excrete, uh, their ship basically
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 6: creates some type of a psychedelic mushroom like it's found
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: in their psychedelic like certain type of mushroom grows under
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 6: their poop basically, right.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: And some people are known to take that and to
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: eat it and have a psychedelic adventure. I guess you
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: could say.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 6: And that's why the bulls, the cows and so on
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 6: and so forth in certain countries, they're they're sacred animals
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: because they're the closest that we can get to what
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 6: we know as the godhead are outside of our consciousness
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 6: or something like that. So it's very interesting because in America, UH,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 6: they have to inject these cows with certain types of vaccine,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 6: so they don't create that enzyme to create that type
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: of enzyme in the poop which would create that that type.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: Of mushroom where they can go on a psychedelic trip.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 10: I just want to add a few things here. One
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 10: that reminds me that I have a book by this
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 10: woman named Judy K. King and it's called The Isis Thesis,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 10: and according to her breakdown, oh boy.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: Oh we've lost them.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: Uh oh, I think he made a good.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, So Judy K.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 10: King and the Isis Thesis was saying that at one
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 10: point in time, according to her decoding of the Egyptian hieroglyphs,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 10: that the Egyptians had this understanding of going to the
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 10: Northern Sky upon death, and that they refer to the
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 10: opening at the Northern sky as the horn of a
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 10: great bull as well, right tars more more bull symbolism
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 10: going on up there.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: Also.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 10: I just want to mentioned too, if people want my
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 10: full take on the Pleiades and this whole polar to
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 10: solar shift and why people associate these things with the
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 10: bleedies in today's world, I have a presentation called the Palladians,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 10: and so you can watch that and it's my full
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 10: breakdown on that. One of the things I mentioned there
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 10: is that Atlas, the Greek Atlas who held up the
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 10: heavens or in modern sort of context he holds up
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 10: the world, but in old illustrations, he's actually holding up
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 10: the firmament.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: He's holding up the night sky. Basically.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 10: The seven Sisters are his daughters basically. And so to me,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 10: what this suggests is that he is a world axis
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 10: symbol and that he's a pillar basically in the middle
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 10: of Earth holding up the vault of heaven. But in
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 10: modern contexts, he's now holding up the world. You know,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 10: this is post heliocentrism more than likely, is my guests, right,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 10: people did not have this globular, sort of spherical idea
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 10: of Earth, you know.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 8: Mario, Mario, the bone at the base of your skull
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 8: is called the Atlas bone, correct, Yeah, because it's holding
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 8: up the entire skull, the entire night sky, and all
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 8: of the memories of the Greeks were put into the
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 8: night sky and the asterisms of these different constellations. So
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 8: you've got a huge asterism, polar memory constellation crossover between
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 8: all this stuff.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, exactly, for sure.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: You've got that head piece of Isis too that always
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: struck me as looking like the Taras symbol.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Mmm.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, definitely related. Absolutely.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 10: You know, that kind of reminds me a little bit
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 10: of if there's an isis equivalent in the tarot, you
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 10: can make the argument that the High Priestess, you know
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 10: she sometimes all also has kind of like this head
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 10: dress sort of thing. It just reminds me of you know,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 10: cow horns basically, and she's sitting where always right in
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 10: between two pillars. She's the transcendental central pillar basically.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: What you said about the Seven Sisters, sorry, the seven Sisters.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: It reminds me of the genetic experiment where they have
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: determined I don't know if it's been modified since, but
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: they've determined that every single human being has come one women.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: It's called the seven Daughters of Eve theory. And so
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: when they trace back all mitochondrial DNA, they're all traced
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: back to at least one of the seven Daughters of
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: Eve quote unquote women that have ever existed.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's interesting, you know, because there's so much overlapping symbolism.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 10: God Is symbolism with the number seven is nuts. You know,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 10: Virgin Mary had seven Sorrows of Christ or Mary, and then.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: Also seven sisters in the constellation.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, exactly for sure, there's something else I was
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 10: going to say about that, but yeah, that's fascinating.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: Does that have to do with some sort of there's
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: seven women who have different genetics that produce different types
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: of people.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: Well, they have at least traced it back to seven
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: origins of women because mitochondrial DNA, and I'm sure you
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: know mitochondrial DNA is only passed down maternally. So when
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: you look at mitochondrial DNA, you are looking at the
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: maternal line. And if you can trace it all the
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: way back, you can pretty much start to piece people
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: together in terms of what maternal line they're coming from
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: based on haploid groups. And so when they've tried to
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: take it all the way back, they can at least
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: pinpoint it down to at least seven different haplogroups. And
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 4: if you're looking at mitochondrial DNA, then you're looking at
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: a maternal line, So haplogroups maternal line, right.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, I was gonna say, Lady Babylon and the
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 10: Babylon Star seven point in star has seven's all throughout it.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna do it at some point. This is probably
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 10: way too premature to announce anything. It doesn't really matter,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 10: But I'm going to do a presentation about Lady Babylon
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 10: being a Northern goddess. It makes too much sense. It's
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 10: what the deal is in my estimation. Yeah, yeah, so
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 10: Sara is there is with Lady Babylon, I would imagine.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 10: So I tend to see similarities over differences, so I
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 10: may not be the right person to ask about that
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 10: I believe it or not.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 11: The reason I've even put this image up.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 5: Some of the stuff we talked about is actually believe
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: it or not in this image, so like when people
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: don't know like what an occultist is thinking about when
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: they create something in h there's a lot of stuff
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: in this.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 11: The eyeballs in here, you know.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 10: I was also going to mention to someone brought up
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 10: the pleats and fish symbolism and whatever. The oceanic aquatic
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 10: symbolism with the northern sky is completely off the charts
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 10: as well. And one example of that is the stop
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 10: the Rishis or the seven rishis, the seven stages being
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 10: like fishmen or traveling by a fish like as an
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 10: arc or a boat to Earth. Right, They're always associated, seemingly,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 10: you know, with with fish symbolism, in one way, shape
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 10: or form. So the idea of like seven gods coming
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 10: from the northern sky is kind of a classic thing.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 11: Even in the voyinage, you know.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 5: I thought it was interesting how we talked about the
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: seven sisters had always had seven women, and it was
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 5: agriculture in a sense. It had all these plants and
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 5: different shin in it, and there was always they were
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 5: always green like the women, which made me think of
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 5: like net sock, and you know, you could have a
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 5: female I mean, yeah, net sock, so.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 11: Which usual.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: Totally totally yeah, yeah, another thing I did.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 11: Want to try it do if possible. I can't forget
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 11: about it. I wanted to go over the hexagram ritual,
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 11: but my voice is too fucked up.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: If you want, I can you want to talk about Midnight?
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 5: Oh no, even the ritual it's called the hexagram, so
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 5: obviously you get a hexagram. There's the LVX formula. At
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: one point you make the swastika. That ritual existed before
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: World War two, so in a ritual that was used
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: by a lot of magicians already incorporated the hexagram. Because
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 5: you're you're drawing that as well as you're doing it,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 5: and you're throwing up the fucking swastika in it as well.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 11: It's even said.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 5: And then what's interesting is that if you don't want
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 5: to use the swastika, you can put you one harm
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 5: up and one that way, and you know, like almost
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 5: making like now I'm sorting to wonder is that like
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: some sort of access as well or some of a
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: weird thing like it's just to me, you know, instead
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 5: of making the swastika if that has to do with
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 5: you know, a polar.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 11: And shit, I don't know.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I mean so when Crowley released his thought deck,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 10: he included three magician cards and the well known Magician card.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: There's a pole right behind the magician.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 10: It's almost like he's ascending the pole in one way, right,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 10: He's like floating upwards. But one of the alternative versions
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 10: is a figure the magician in that same position, and
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 10: I'm assuming it's the same swasika position, and he's nude,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 10: so his falluc is showing basically, and so so he's
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 10: associating that with the Magician card like absolutely, which makes
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 10: sense because again it's it's a sign of the poll,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 10: it's a symbol of the pole.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 6: So here's the mitochondria that mass scientist was talking about
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 6: the halfa glus and the seven Daughters. You got Ursula, Zina, Helena, Canapera,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 6: Swedish Tara or Kentepera Tara, I'm sorry, Velda, Tara, Katrine
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 6: and Jasmine, and then you got halflo group you hv
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 6: t kJ and it gives you a.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 7: Breakdown on it. And it was a book that was
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 7: written by Brian Sykes that talks the daughters of the
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 7: gene yep.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: So now I don't know if it's been updated since,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 4: but the last time I remember, I read this book
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: and I remember and it's been controversial that, you know,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: people have said, no, the way his methodology wasn't correct
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: or whatever, but it's it's held up a little bit
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: more than what people said that it did.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 6: But to me, yeah, I actually did a podcast discussion
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 6: with a geneticist and I talk a lot about HAPLO
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 6: group E one B one B with him and it's
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 6: just very interesting because you know, they take haplo groups
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 6: from what they consider the closest Homo sapien that we
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 6: are related to. But the thing is is that I,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 6: even as a Homo sapien, our changes have been drastic three.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 7: Hundred thousand years to where we are now.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 6: So what do you really consider on homo safety and
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 6: sapient and where do you consider that you know, the
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 6: first half of group to come from, because we know
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 6: that there's been like what they quote unquote say human
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 6: light species from around the world. So I mean, you
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 6: got the seven continents.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, let's just go with that.
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  Speaker 10: Also, I just want to say the number seven correspondence
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 10: with the North is so strong that if you look
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  Speaker 10: at older Latin maps, the north is labeled as sept
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 10: in trio right, sept as in like septinary septenary number seven, right,
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  Speaker 10: And so even there's all sorts of lore and things
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 10: to talk about with set also basically being related to
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 10: sept pretty much and September actually being a reference to
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 10: the number seven, and so it's so intrinsically tied that
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 10: you'll see literally a reference to the number seven it
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 10: maps for the northern portion of Earth.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 3: So it seems to me like that the seven dollars
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: of Eve doesn't really work with their well, with the
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: out of Africa thing, and you know, just that's just
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: my perspective upon seeing this today. But I saw that
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: they had something of the Swedish groups meant mentioned in
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: there as well. And I'll just throw this in real quick,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: like that Swedish Norway dynasty possibly started by Odin if
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: we're to believe thor Heyerda's research, they come out of
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: the caucacious mountains, as did some of the Hindu groups
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: that went to India, like the Brahmin class. They came
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: from a cacustious mountains, if I can say that correctly.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: And that's known because of DNA tests, And I think
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: I mentioned this earlier by missing it again because that
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 3: means like you got two groups there that seemingly look
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: to be very unrelated about Swedish people and people in India.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: They don't, but if you go back far enough, it's
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: all seemingly one group that they came out of. And
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 3: to touch on Lisa's point, maybe they were using that
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: maternal blowoodline as well as And part of the bloodline
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: has to do with carrying off along the knowledge of
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 3: your ancestors and the symbols of your ancestors like the swastika.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think one of the things that we
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 4: have to bear in mind is that the sun wasn't
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: shining as hot as it did today as it did
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 4: back then. The sun has gone through different seasons, whether
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: it's every eleven years or whether it's every one hundred
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 4: thousand years. So what we look at in terms of
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: melanistic groups around the world may not have been like that,
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: or they may have been like that depending on the
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: intensity of the sun. Or if we believe that the
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 4: poles have shifted in that the North Pole is not
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 4: where the North Pole is today, but it was somewhere
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: around Jonson. I mean, we're talking about a whole different
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 4: shift of you know people, you know, land masses and
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: what have you. So I don't think, you know, to
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: not hold on into exactly the map that we see
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: today as being the ultimate, you know, end all be all.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: I think that's important to keep in mind.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 10: The map is not the terrain as well. Right, every
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 10: model is just like it's an example of something. It
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 10: may give you a good idea about something, but it's
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 10: not the actual thing itself. So no matter what map
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 10: you're talking about or whatever model you're talking about.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 9: So I find it interesting there's the Denisovan subspecies of
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 9: humans too, and I suppose they're not in that seven,
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 9: but the Tibetans happen to have like the most trace
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 9: remnants of Denisovan beings in them, and they also have
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 9: that tradition. I want to excuse me prediction I wanted
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 9: to mention before of when the wheel comes to Tibet,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 9: it'll be the end of their current current phase of culture.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 9: So yeah, the Denisovan strand is interesting. I wonder at
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 9: least if you know about that.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: So they just found recently there's a Didysovan discovery that
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: was just made out of Siberia. It's a forty thousand
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: year old bracelet was found, very well crafted and circular
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: to go along with that what you're saying. So, and
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: if you look up denis Ovan's I mean they kind
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: of look they're kind of look they look like cave people,
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 3: like some of the drawings I've seen. They wouldn't, you know,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 3: cave people don't make bracelets like this.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I think also isn't I mean, I don't like,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent die on the hill of seven dollars
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 4: of Eve.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: It's just a theory.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 4: It's just you know, what the genetic experiment showed at
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: the time when it was when the theory was published.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 4: But the other thing is I think we have to
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: look at you you look at bears, you know, polar bears,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 4: black bearris, you know whatever. The polar bear is going
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: to be extremely different than the black bear down in Texas.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 4: But they are ursa, you know, of genus, and I
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 4: think that they are adapted to their environment. They have
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 4: to be otherwise they're not going to survive. And so
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 4: when you're looking at the peoples of Siberia, they would
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 4: have to be larger, they would have to behave esque
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 4: because in order to you know, increase in surface area
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 4: increases survivability versus you know, in Central America, you know,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 4: I'll say it native, indigenous, or shorter, you know whatever,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: and smaller and more adaptable to that type of environment.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: So and like what Tyroone was saying, I mean, there
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 4: are many what's it called. It's it's not just Homo sapien.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: There's been Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Homo, I mean, it
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: just the list goes on and on and on, and
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 4: I think this is where you see the mess, the
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 4: mixing of the different genus species to ultimately get where
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 4: we are today. So yeah, I would agree the Denisovians
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 4: do not look anything like they people from Central America
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: or the toll Techs, you know what. You know, they
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 4: were saying that the toll TECs have probably the most
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 4: happler groups of old people that they've ever surveyed.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 10: So yeah, this is reminding me just one way of
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 10: looking at things symbolically. Some polar i guess advocates, enthusiasts, whatever,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 10: I have mentioned this idea that the world tree in
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 10: the polar Age had seven branches, but in the Solar
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 10: Age it has twelve, which I think is kind of
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 10: interesting and symbolically at least relevant.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 8: Well, weren't you saying that there were seven constellations closer
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 8: to the pole back in the polar Age.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I've heard several ways of it being put. I've
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 10: heard that there's seven seven stationed zodiac close to the
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 10: pole star, also eight constellations around the pole star, and
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 10: the example I usually bring up this is probably what
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 10: you're thinking of, But in one of my resources, the
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 10: guy was making the claim that there were eight constellations
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 10: around the pole star in the polar Age, and this
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 10: was in China, and that each constellation was emblematic of
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 10: one of the trigrams of the eachain there's eight trigrams,
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 10: sixty four hexagrams. And then when people became more solar
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 10: over time for whatever reason, that those eight constellations shifted
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 10: to the path of the sun. And then they added
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 10: four more constellations, making twelve constellations.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 8: Is that to you get it? Grab it?
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: That was for you.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 5: What I don't know.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 8: I thought you were the lord of the trigram.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't know. It's too much about it.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 9: But it is based on it's the eight multiplied by
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 9: putting two different trigrams together, so that results in the
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 9: sixty four potentials. So I mean it's it's and it
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 9: starts in the Dallas theory. It really goes from what
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 9: is quite simple when you explain it verbally and uh
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 9: mathematically if you will. But everything starts with the wuji
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 9: or the nothing, and it transforms from these two. Uh
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 9: you could look at them as polar forces, and that
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 9: that that being the yin and yang, and that expands
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 9: into four forces, the major and minor yin and yang forces.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 9: And as time went on, the trigrams were developed, and that's.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: Considered.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 9: It goes around the taichi, or rather what we call
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 9: the yin yang symbol is the taichi, which means the
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 9: grand and ultimate polarity, which is interesting to this whole phenomenon.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 9: And then they was that resulted with the with the
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 9: eight trigrams, with the eaching, it puts two trigrams together,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 9: resulting in the six lines if you will, and the
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 9: sixty four potentials. U Jin said something earlier that I
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 9: thought was really interesting, the combining of these two forces
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 9: in an axial and cyclical combination. I don't know in
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 9: those symbols that you shared, it might have been in there,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 9: but the quartered circle comes to mind as being a
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 9: really powerful kind of the combination of the axical and
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 9: and cyclical. So yeah, the Bagua system with that that
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 9: is uh, the the set of the set of hexagrams
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 9: and trigrams. It's really all about the eaching, which is
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 9: a great reading to explore esoteric symbolism, primal symbolism really.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: Right, It just we just have to mention the fact too.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: Whep okay, I think I cut out.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 10: I'm probably back, but you know, just symbols that rotate
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 10: the wheel, the classic yin yang right symbol, which my
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 10: understanding too is I think that the primordial way the
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 10: ancient traditional way is counterclockwise once again, which is interesting.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 10: And then also the cancer glyph also looks like it's
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 10: going counterclockwise, not clockwise. And so it's all the spin
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 10: of heaven in my opinion, right, the spin of life
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 10: of all things.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 11: The dice spin dradals two Yep, there you.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 10: Go, which I've heard actually started off as a German thing,
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 10: that drade were more of a German thing, and then
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 10: German Jews adopted it. That's my understanding of things. You know,
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 10: what have you guys ever looked into dradal symbolism, by
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 10: the way, I'm not I don't know if this is
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 10: I mean again, if they adopted it or kind of
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 10: what is it, took it for themselves or whatever cultural
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 10: appropriation whatever.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: I heard one rabbi breaking it down. I think this
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: is so telling that the way he broke it down.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 10: The esoteric symbolism of the dradal is that each side
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 10: of the Draidl has a different Hebrew letter. Each side
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 10: of the Dradl represents one of Israel's enemies, and that
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 10: they constantly are on guard because they're completely they're always
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 10: surrounded by people that want to kill them pretty much,
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 10: and that they consider themselves to be the center of
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 10: the earth, and so the dradal spins just like a
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 10: top right, and so it is an axial symbol. But
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 10: the way they perceived it, at least according to this rabbi,
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 10: is that it's all of their enemies, constant enemies surrounding
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 10: them pretty much.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 11: So fuck who jo who even wants to like live
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 11: thinking like that?
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Fuck?
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 8: So I had I had my favorite Nazi symbolism pulled
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 8: up here. So my guy Gods von berd Lichingen, and
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 8: let me pull him up.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 11: We gotta make this quick, as Viros got a bounce.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 8: Sorry, yeah, yeah, So Gots lived in the fifteen hundreds
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 8: and he got his arm blown off by a cannon ball,
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 8: and he was a mercenary soldier who fashioned for himself
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 8: a fully articulated metal arm, and so they called him
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 8: Gods of the metal Arm. And he he is known
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 8: for the Swabian salute, which is licked me in my.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 15: Asshole, And so they told that actually a whole symphony
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 15: for the Swabian salute, which was him shaking his mental
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 15: arm at this lord who was trying to.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 8: Invade his castle. So the Nazis decided that this guy
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 8: was their guy. So they created a whole battalion, the
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 8: seventeenth Battalion, seventeenth SS Grenadier Battalion. So these guys were
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 8: representing God's vonn Reerlichingen in the Nazi Wars. But what's
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 8: really interesting is the connection to this completely different Japanese anime. Right,
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 8: So there was a.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 11: Oh, elis.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: See, there we go.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 8: So have you ever heard of the book called or
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 8: the anime called Berserk. It's this. It's about this dude
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 8: who's got a metal arm who lives in this sort
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 8: of I guess medieval age, right, and so his name
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 8: is Gots and he's talking about you know, basically, let
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 8: me take this off the stage. There we go. So
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 8: somehow this fully articulated metal arm guy who wields a
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 8: sword because that's that's what he built his arm for,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 8: so he can hold a sword at it. Strangely enough,
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 8: but Guts from the book Berserk is exactly like this
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 8: German character, and they're separated by hundreds of years, and
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 8: there's actually no connection between the guy who wrote Berserk
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 8: and God's van bur Lichingen. So it's strange that this
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 8: same sort of energy reverberates over all these distant miles
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 8: and years with seemingly no connection. I just thought that
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 8: was interesting.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 5: I got somebody showing up with fake arms. You gotta
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 5: watch out, I mean, but yeah, I can see that
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 5: happening now with these though.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 8: That guy was a folk hero. He constructed a metal
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 8: arm for himself. I mean, there's so much imagery in there.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 8: You got evil dead. The guy saws off his arm
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 8: and then builds himself into one.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 5: He puts enough chains on the end of it, right, Ash,
• 2:19:42
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• 2:19:46
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• 2:19:48
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• 2:20:02
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