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The Late Debate | 26 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Base. Well, it's great to
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  Speaker 1: have your company.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Freelitch and Caleb Bond. Coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight seven to eleven open a new store in the
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne CBD. Except this one operates without any staff at all.
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  Speaker 2: Is this the way of the future. The winner of
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  Speaker 2: the World's Strongest Woman contest is stripped of the title
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  Speaker 2: after being found to be a man who was identifying
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  Speaker 2: as a very strong woman, and politicians in Pennsylvania parcel
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  Speaker 2: law making hairstyles a protected attribute that can't be discriminated against.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that shortly, but before we
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  Speaker 2: start the program, we've got to begin by congratulating Paul
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  Speaker 2: Murray on fifteen years of broadcasting at Sky and Caleb.
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  Speaker 1: I found it pretty hard to prepare for.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight because I kept wanting to watch the tribute show
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  Speaker 2: that was aired right before we came on.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't it lovely?
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  Speaker 4: And isn't it great to see Paul get a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of emotional as well, you know, the hard exterior
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  Speaker 4: of the man. We managed to break it. But I
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  Speaker 4: remember I often talk about how was a kid I
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  Speaker 4: listened to a lot of radio, but I remember when
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  Speaker 4: I sort of started taking interest in TV and Paul
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  Speaker 4: Murray at that time was one of the only opinion
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  Speaker 4: programs on Sky. And I was watching Paul all the
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  Speaker 4: way back then, and I get to work with him now.
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  Speaker 3: How special is that?
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  Speaker 5: He's just so incredible. When I first started appearing on Sky,
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  Speaker 5: Paul was one of the first shows I went on,
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  Speaker 5: and I still remember how nervous I felt stepping into
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  Speaker 5: the man cave, and he's this big, intimidating presence. But
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  Speaker 5: once you get to know him as he saw in
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  Speaker 5: that program, he's truly one of the most genuine and
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  Speaker 5: kind people out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be my reflection as well. Paul is as
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  Speaker 2: he appears on screen. He's got a huge heart. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember our very first show on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: We're all brand new and green, and right before we
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  Speaker 2: came on air, we're all nervous.
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  Speaker 1: Paul said, look, just relax, you'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: You've got three thousand shows to go after this one.
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  Speaker 2: And Paul is always the first person to tell you've
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  Speaker 2: done a great job, to say, I saw you on
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  Speaker 2: here last night.
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  Speaker 1: You did really well.
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  Speaker 2: He's incredibly generous and from all of us here on
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  Speaker 2: the late debate. Paul, congratulations and we look forward to
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  Speaker 2: many more years working with you.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, you sorry to interrupt.
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  Speaker 4: You are missing the number one story about you and
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  Speaker 4: Paul Murray.
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  Speaker 2: And Paul Murray introduced me to my fiance, so I
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  Speaker 2: got to thank Paul.
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  Speaker 1: I will always be in his debt for that. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the program.
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  Speaker 2: A Perth counselor has apologized after trying to bill rate
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  Speaker 2: payers for a beer, but he accidentally downed in a
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  Speaker 2: strip club. As public servants so often do, he discovered
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  Speaker 2: his mistake only when someone else was paying Joondalip counselor
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  Speaker 2: Nigel Jones was in Adelaide for a conference when he
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  Speaker 2: couldn't sleep, a condition he cured by roaming the city
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  Speaker 2: in search of a bedtime beer. He told six PR
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  Speaker 2: he simply walked into the first bar he saw.
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  Speaker 6: I couldn't sleep, and I went out to a drinks
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  Speaker 6: keep my helpy sleep and went into the first bar
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  Speaker 6: two minutes from where I was, And if you google
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  Speaker 6: it you'll show that, and went in there, got a beer,
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  Speaker 6: and then a few monks later a girl walked out
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  Speaker 6: skimpley dress and I realized what's going on? So I
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  Speaker 6: scored and went.
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  Speaker 2: The bar was the Crazy Horse Review proudly advertised as
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  Speaker 2: one of Australia's best strip clubs. In case the sign
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  Speaker 2: out front and the strip of pole inside didn't give
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  Speaker 2: it away. Months later, Jones submitted his receipts for reimbursement,
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  Speaker 2: well the finance department. Caleb had questions, lots and lots
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  Speaker 2: of questions.
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  Speaker 4: I can imagine you've heard that the old joke, right
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  Speaker 4: A counselor walks into a bar and the stripper says,
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  Speaker 4: why the long?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, we won't go any.
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  Speaker 4: Further with that much, but I mean, for goodness sake, seriously,
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  Speaker 4: how do you accidentally walk into a strip club and
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  Speaker 4: then put the beer on the council credit card or
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  Speaker 4: try to get reimbursed for That's the bit that I
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  Speaker 4: don't get, Just like, okay, you've got on into the
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  Speaker 4: strip club then realized later it was a strip club.
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  Speaker 4: Totally believable story, but then you've still decided to ask
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  Speaker 4: the council to reimburse you the money. Like, mate, are
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  Speaker 4: you think you're thicker than zoo glass? For heaven's sake,
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  Speaker 4: if you're trying to get away with that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But it is not the first time we have seen
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  Speaker 4: this excuse used before. In fact, maybe he just thought
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  Speaker 4: back nine years and stole this one.
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  Speaker 3: If it comes along with here it is.
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  Speaker 7: Ever have I ever been inside a strip club?
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  Speaker 8: I have sometimes times we know Rudd was what were
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  Speaker 8: you you never once.
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  Speaker 9: A time in the day.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it was of course did you you know?
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  Speaker 8: Took me four hours to realize.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, once I realized what it was.
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  Speaker 4: He's pulled the Bill Shorten here and expects us to
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  Speaker 4: think that it's believable.
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  Speaker 5: Come on, baddie, he hasn't pulled the Bill Shorten. He's
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  Speaker 5: pulled the Kevin Rudd, who was caught red handed at
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  Speaker 5: a strip club back in two thousand and three, admitted
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  Speaker 5: to it and then still went on to win an election.
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  Speaker 5: So this counselor from Perth rightly points out maybe he's
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  Speaker 5: actually destined for political greatness because he seems to be
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  Speaker 5: following in the footsteps of a former Australian Prime minister.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm with you, Caleb. I just don't understand how
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  Speaker 5: you don't realize you're about to enter a strip club.
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  Speaker 5: Now I will say I have never been to a
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  Speaker 5: strip club. But I assume that they're pretty loud and
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  Speaker 5: not the kind of place you would go if you
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  Speaker 5: were looking to wind down for bedtime. I mean, look
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  Speaker 5: at that place.
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  Speaker 3: The poll is usually a pretty good giveaway, exact, and.
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, in his defense, he said that that
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  Speaker 2: particular part of Adelaide, which you would be familiar with
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  Speaker 2: Highley streets. He said, the Highley Street is a sleazy place.
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  Speaker 2: So it all just looks sort of you know the same.
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  Speaker 2: So that was his exist At least he's not as
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  Speaker 2: bad as with your thought who was banned club, So
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  Speaker 2: you know, it could have been worse, believe it or not.
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  Speaker 4: I like, come on, mate, I'm not bothered about the
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  Speaker 4: fact he went to a strip club.
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  Speaker 3: You're well within your rights to do so.
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  Speaker 4: But the fact that you then thought you could get
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  Speaker 4: away with asking the council to reimburse you the beer
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  Speaker 4: for accidentally walking into a strip club, Like, do you.
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  Speaker 3: Not have ten bucks in your pocket?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I think he did?
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  Speaker 2: I reckon because he was at a conference, right, and
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  Speaker 2: so he would have had many receipts from the three
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  Speaker 2: four days whatever it was there. I reckon he's just
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  Speaker 2: put all of his receipts together, his handed them in
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  Speaker 2: and it's months later he's gone, ah, and so I reckon,
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  Speaker 2: that's how it must have happened.
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  Speaker 4: Well, poor Feller, he's been caught out. Now, let's hope
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  Speaker 4: that he doesn't accidentally walk into a strip club ever again,
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  Speaker 4: you know with lots of accidents are done in this world,
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  Speaker 4: and well he is one of the great accident makers,
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  Speaker 4: isn't he. While we're talking about council's, Blacktown Council in
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  Speaker 4: Sydney has joined up with another city overseas as a
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  Speaker 4: sister city.
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  Speaker 3: And this stuff goes on all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Councils they come up with these sister city rangements have
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  Speaker 4: never quite understood what they actually mean or what you
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  Speaker 4: really get out of them. And they talk about all
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  Speaker 4: this business. You know, we talk about trade, we compare things,
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  Speaker 4: and how do you do things? And can we do
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  Speaker 4: things like you and all this sort of business, and
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  Speaker 4: they really love doing it at Blacktown Council, to the
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  Speaker 4: point where they now have six sister cities.
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  Speaker 3: They've just added one last.
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  Speaker 4: Week in the Philippines, so they now have sister cities
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  Speaker 4: in the Philippines, in China, in South Korea, in New Zealand,
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  Speaker 4: in Ireland and even one in New South Wales Liverpool
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  Speaker 4: Plains Shire Council.
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  Speaker 3: But because none of this comes for free.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when you've got a sister city, I mean
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  Speaker 4: you've got a sister you've got to go and visitor,
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  Speaker 4: don't you. So of course it means spending rate payers
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  Speaker 4: money to go overseas. What a terrible life it must
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  Speaker 4: be for the mayor and all these other people who
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  Speaker 4: have to go overseas. In the case of this new
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  Speaker 4: mob in the Philippines, who they've signed themselves up with,
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  Speaker 4: they put aside twenty five grand to send the mayor,
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  Speaker 4: the chief executive, the events and sister Cities manager. I
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  Speaker 4: suppose when you've got six sister cities, you need a
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  Speaker 4: sister cities manager, two youth ambassadors and a community representative.
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  Speaker 4: They're all going off to the Philippines next year.
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  Speaker 3: What a great deal.
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  Speaker 4: And then of course the mob are going to come
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  Speaker 4: over from the Philippines, so they've got to put another
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  Speaker 4: ten grand aside for that to host them. So in
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  Speaker 4: the end it cost them thirty five thousand dollars to
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  Speaker 4: be a sister city to the Philippines. Meanwhile, they've already
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  Speaker 4: been spending forty three cars in the last two years
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  Speaker 4: to do these various visits to their sister cities. I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure they've learned a lot along the way. And meanwhile,
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  Speaker 4: the RAE payers of Blacktown are expected to punt up more.
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  Speaker 4: They've increased the minimum household rate to one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: seventy bucks per annum. If there's someone out there paying
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy dollars per anum on their council rates,
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  Speaker 4: I'd like to meet them. But anyway, they've made that
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  Speaker 4: the minimum rate, and if you're a business, they're jacking
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  Speaker 4: up your rates. They want to jack up your rates
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  Speaker 4: next financial year by fifteen percent. No wonder when they've
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  Speaker 4: got six sister cities and they have to go and
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  Speaker 4: visit them every years.
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  Speaker 2: It's like they're auditioning for the amazing race local government addition,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and that they say the benefits are cultural understanding.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure why you need to understand Filipino culture,
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  Speaker 2: or Chinese culture or Irish culture to fill potholes, mow
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  Speaker 2: grass and collect gubbage. They say it will also inspire
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  Speaker 2: urban planning. I've been to the Philippines. I've got many
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  Speaker 2: Filipino friends. Great place to visit, but I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: that people of Blacktown would be hoping that their local
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  Speaker 2: councilors learn from the urban planning done in the Philippines.
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  Speaker 2: And as for economic benefits, they never provide anydents of
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  Speaker 2: said economic benefits. The thing that got me frail was that,
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  Speaker 2: in relation to the council rates rises that you talked about, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: the mayor, bread Bunting explained that, yes, we're having to
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  Speaker 2: put rates up, but please be assured, the council is
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  Speaker 2: looking to save funds.
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  Speaker 1: Wherever we can.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, they add another sister city to the five they
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  Speaker 2: already have.
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  Speaker 5: If anyone could provide any evidence or any explanation of
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  Speaker 5: what these sister cities actually provide in terms of benefit,
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  Speaker 5: I'd be very interested to see it. I think the
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  Speaker 5: only benefit they provide is a free ratepayer funded trip
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  Speaker 5: to the council executives and the mayor, and that's really
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  Speaker 5: all this is. It's just an excuse to get a
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  Speaker 5: free junket for local government officials. But also you've got
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  Speaker 5: to have some sympathy for the Filipinos, because clearly they're
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  Speaker 5: going to spend a lot of their money sending all
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  Speaker 5: these people their delegation of six out to Australia. Think, oh,
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  Speaker 5: we're going to a major city council in Sydney, We're
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  Speaker 5: going to see opera House, We're going to see Harbor Bridge.
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  Speaker 5: How inspiring is that urban planning? And then they rock
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  Speaker 5: up and they're in Blacktown, So you also have to
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  Speaker 5: feel a little bit bad for the Filipinos Blacktown. There
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  Speaker 5: are some nice spots, but it is not exactly the
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  Speaker 5: emblem of the best of what Australia has to offer
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  Speaker 5: in terms of urban planning.
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  Speaker 4: That's the bit that gets me though, is that you
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  Speaker 4: could sort of understand capital cities doing deals with other
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  Speaker 4: capital cities and whatever, and you know, reciprocal business arrangements.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're a suburban council, what what are you
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  Speaker 4: getting apart from the trip? What are you getting out
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  Speaker 4: of it? I mean, unless they're hoping that some Filipino
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  Speaker 4: factory is going to come and sit up in black Town,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like an old thing for a suburban council.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're looking to learn and to exchange ideas,
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  Speaker 2: you'd find a local government in Australia that's of a
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  Speaker 2: similar size, maybe a similar demographic, maybe in.
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  Speaker 1: A different state.
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  Speaker 2: Surely you'd have more in common, more to learn than
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  Speaker 2: traveling halfway around the world.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty bizarre. But let's go to Melbourne now,
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  Speaker 5: where bizarre is what we're saying on a regular basis
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  Speaker 5: coming out of that city or nam, I should say,
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  Speaker 5: Seven eleven has just opened a new store without any
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  Speaker 5: cashiers or stuff what soever, and this is to reduce crime.
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  Speaker 5: They've been experiencing a lot of theft, so they've decided
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  Speaker 5: to go, let's ditch the staff full stop, and we'll
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  Speaker 5: just replace it all with vending machines, so you never
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  Speaker 5: have to come into contact with any humans, and I
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  Speaker 5: guess it makes things a lot more difficult to steal.
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  Speaker 9: Have a look, everything's automated. It's actually just big vending machines.
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  Speaker 9: There's no hot food, no coffees, literally just your snacks
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  Speaker 9: and drinks. So it's kind of like a vending machine
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  Speaker 9: has eaten up your traditional seven eleven. You don't grab
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  Speaker 9: things off the shelf anymore, just pick from the touchpad,
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  Speaker 9: tap your card and wait.
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  Speaker 5: For the snack to be delivered. It's pretty standard vending machines.
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  Speaker 9: Be holist so there's literally no staff here. There's no hell,
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  Speaker 9: no weekend jobs for new students, just the vening machines
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  Speaker 9: quietly judging me purchasing five packs of chocolate Coda Prenzels.
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  Speaker 5: It's pretty dystopian and I don't know if you could hear,
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  Speaker 5: but in the background they had classical music blasting to
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  Speaker 5: further disincentivize crime and rough sleepers from sleeping in the
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  Speaker 5: seven eleven. But if that is what Victoria has come to,
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  Speaker 5: it's too dangerous to have staff in stores. The risk
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  Speaker 5: of having food out in the open is too high.
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  Speaker 5: So we're just going to replace the entire thing with
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  Speaker 5: vending machines and become this soulless, robotic, dystopian city. How
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  Speaker 5: sad is that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like it at all.
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  Speaker 2: Though with the Melbourne CBD being the way it is,
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  Speaker 2: you can understand why operators might choose to have a
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  Speaker 2: store like that where they don't have to worry about
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  Speaker 2: staff safety and with the cost of labor, well, they're
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  Speaker 2: saving a lot of money there too. This isn't unusual
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  Speaker 2: in the United States, though in Los Angeles they've got
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  Speaker 2: they call them ven hubs. There's at least four in
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  Speaker 2: LA where you can buy everything from cap food to
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  Speaker 2: soft drinks to band aids, and.
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  Speaker 3: That's dinner and the whole things sort of.
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  Speaker 2: The whole store is there, and they've got robot arms
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  Speaker 2: that you order on an app and the robots go
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  Speaker 2: get your merchandise, drop it into a bucket, you scan it,
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  Speaker 2: the bucket opens up, you take your stuff, and these
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  Speaker 2: that are popping up all over LA.
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  Speaker 1: So I think we'll see more of.
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  Speaker 8: This in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe if seven to eleven played classical music
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  Speaker 4: in all of its stores, ad frequent the joint more often.
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  Speaker 3: But this is just awful. I think it is absolutely awful.
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  Speaker 4: I understand if your staff are being threatened and there
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  Speaker 4: are big crime problems that perhaps imperative to do something
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  Speaker 4: like this, release trial it and see how it goes.
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  Speaker 4: But of course once they do one of them and
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  Speaker 4: they realize the money they can save on staff, then
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  Speaker 4: you go, geez, well, why.
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  Speaker 3: Don't I do that over there? And why don't I
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  Speaker 3: do that over there?
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  Speaker 4: And then everyone else cottons onto it, and next thing
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  Speaker 4: it becomes the big thing and everyone's doing and we
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  Speaker 4: already live in.
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  Speaker 3: A world where, despite the fact.
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  Speaker 4: We are more connected than ever Via the Internet, we're
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  Speaker 4: more disconnected to our fellow human beings than we have
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  Speaker 4: ever been in from a personal standpoint, people don't talk
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  Speaker 4: to their neighbors anymore. Many people don't even know who
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: their neighbors are, never have spoken to them. They have
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  Speaker 4: very little social interaction during the day, particularly.
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  Speaker 3: If they work from home.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe if we've got a partner who comes home at night,
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  Speaker 4: they're lucky. And apart from that, you know that the
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  Speaker 4: most social interaction someone gets is going out to buy
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  Speaker 4: coffee and they meet the barista.
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  Speaker 3: Well, of course, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, you can get your coffee in seven eleven, and
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  Speaker 4: seven eleven has a machine that does the coffee, So
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  Speaker 4: soon enough it'll be the one stop shop where you
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: don't have to interact with people anymore.
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  Speaker 3: You can auder your.
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  Speaker 4: Groceries online, have them delivered to your door, and you
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  Speaker 4: don't have to open your door and look at another
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  Speaker 4: human being. We are engineering a world in which we
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  Speaker 4: don't have to interact with other people, which maybe sounds
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  Speaker 4: nice on the surface because you go, oh, well, that
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  Speaker 4: means less hassle. But we're built to be social creatures,
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  Speaker 4: and at some point we're going to have to realize
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  Speaker 4: that all of this stuff doesn't work. They've realized it
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  Speaker 4: to some degree with supermarkets in the US where they've
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  Speaker 4: actually started pulling out in some shops the self service
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  Speaker 4: checkouts because they've realized that theft went through the roof,
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  Speaker 4: it didn't improve waiting in line times or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: So there are a lot of supermarkets in the US
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  Speaker 4: have gone back to the traditional manned checkout, and I
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  Speaker 4: think people like it. They want to interact with other people.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: We're stripping all of this away. I think it's making
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: as sick as a society.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon. You're absolutely right, all right.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: You would have heard the phrase oftentimes life imitates art.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: So for this next story, why don't we start with
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: the art. Here's an episode of south Park from a
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: number of years ago.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Now, this is the first year that a trans woman
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: is in the competition. How do you feel about that?
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Amazing? I feel honored to be a part of history.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: I have a lot of incredible trans friends who are athletes,
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: and so we're all inspired. This woman's competing.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Chiswanson, How does it feel to be competing today?
• 17:11
  Speaker 10: They can't tell you how free I feel now that
• 17:14
  Speaker 10: I've started identifying as a woman.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Now that I can compete.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: As female, I'm ready to smash the other girls.
• 17:22
  Speaker 10: And is it correct you just started identifying as female
• 17:26
  Speaker 10: two weeks ago.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not here to talk about my transition. I'm here
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: to kick some fin ass.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: So that's the arts.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: But in real life, just the other day in the
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: United States, the Strongest Woman in the World was stripped
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: of the title after being revealed to be a very
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: strong man identifying as a strong woman. American Jamie Brooker
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: was stripped of the title. Organizers say they had no
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: idea Jamie Brooker was a male, although if you look
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: at the winner's podium after Brooker was awarded Strongest Woman
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: of the Year, well it seemed like other competitors had
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: a fair idea. So the runner up, Andrea Thompson of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Great Britain, was awarded the title because she was not
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: only strong, but actually a woman. This all came out
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: because in twenty seventeen, there was a YouTube video uploaded
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: to Jamie Brooker's YouTube channel where Jamie Brooker talked about
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: being a transgender woman, and as.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: A result of that, as I said, the title was stripped.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: The interesting thing to me is the headline. In the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: way this was reported. The UK Telegraph headline said world's
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Strongest Woman disqualified because they were born male. Well they
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: would be he, and born male means you're a man.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: So even when the media report this, they they write
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the headline with other myths on and wrap the truth
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: in bubble wrap just in case anybody is offended. So
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the rightful person was awarded the title in the end.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: But I think as a culture we've still.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Got a long way to go when it comes to
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: just being able to admit the truth about who is
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: male and who is female.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: And the rules, the terms and conditions of the competition
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: were that if you want to compete, you have to
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: compete as your biological sex, and so this individual Booker
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: took no notice of that and did not declare his
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: biological sex and instead decided to compete against real women,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: knowing full well that that would put him at an advantage.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: What sort of a mung rule do you have to
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: be to say, look, i'm transgender whatever, but I'm now
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: going to use that to disadvantage other people. You'll be
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: transgender whatever. What you do in your private time is
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: none of my business. When you then say Okay, I'm
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: going to take that and I'm going to use it
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: to the detriment of someone who was born a woman
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: or people who are born as women, real women. That's
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: when you cross the line that is saying I actually
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: don't care about womanhood. You say I want to be
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: a woman, but you don't care about womanhood. If you
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: then take that and say, well, I'm just stuff everyone else.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: If I can use all this testosterone and whatever that
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: cores through my body when I was going through puberty,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: which means I have greater muscle mass, etc. To go
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: and win a competition that rightfully belongs to women, you
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: ain't part of the womanhood.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: And here was like physically a lot larger than the
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: other competitors. And can you imagine you're one of the
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: other women. You've trained for years, five days a week,
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: lifting heavy weights, put your heart and soul into this sport,
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: just for some biological male to come out of nowhere
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: and win the title. And this is what's so unfair.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Three time World's Strongest Woman champion spoke out and just said,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: I'm not anti trans. You can compete in your own category,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: or better yet, the sex you're assigned with at birth,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: but don't come into the women's category. And this is
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: the thing. There seems to be a complete lack of
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: willingness to take responsibility on the part of these transgender competitors.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Just because your trans doesn't mean you're a victim or
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: you have a free pass to not accept responsibility. They
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: couldn't contact this person, Jammy Booker after the event. They
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: just went completely silent, and they would have known with
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: all the press happening right now about saving women's sport.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: I refuse to believe that this biological male didn't know
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: exactly what he was doing when he entered into this
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: female competition, and he should be held accountable for that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: To give you an idea of the advantage that a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: male would have over a female in that competition. For example,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the world record for the squat is for a male
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: four hundred and seventy seven kilograms, for a woman two
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy eight kilograms, so almost twice that of
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a man compared.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: To a woman.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: So Jamie Brooker had a huge advantage won the competition,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: but now the award has.
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: Gone to the rightful winner, who was actually a female.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: And it's provable in every sport too. I mean, you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: like every swimming record over the same distance, the male
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: one is faster than the female.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: It is just a fact.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: No one can with a straight face say that biological
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: men are not at an advantage to biological women when
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: they compete together in sport.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: It is just absolutely true.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: And if you are a man and you say I'm
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: going to compete against women and dud them, I'm sorry,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: that's it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: You are just a reprehensible human.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: The real story here, though, is if you want to
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: know where culture is going, don't listen to politicians they say, oh,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: this would never happen, et cetera, etc.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: What's south funk exactly?
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: I'll tell you what's going to happen.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: It's a bit like The Simpsons. If you watch The Simpsons.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Ten years earlier, it sort of predicts what's going to
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: happen ten years. I think they predicted Donald Trump becoming president.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: It was all in the Simpsons. The Simpsons tells the future. Hey,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: so we've talked about some of the madness in the
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: US and women losing their rights over there. Let's talk
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: about more people losing their rights this time in the UK,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: the criminally accused. It looks like will lose one of
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: the most basic legal rights next year because the Starma
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: government and their Justice Secretary, David Lammy, it's come out
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: an eleak document in the Telegraph, are investigating scrapping jury
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: trials for most defendants. That the only people that would
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: be left who would be able to have a jury
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: trial are those accused of murder, rape, manslaughter or other
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: serious offenses that carry sentences of more than five years.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Anything that has a sentence fewer than five years, you
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: do not get the option of a jury trial. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: of course this came out in these documents in the
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Telegraph because they've got a huge backlock of court cases
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: in the UK at the moment, eighty thousand in the
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: last quarter alone, eighty thousand cases just sitting on the
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: books in three months. And mister Lammy himself, the Justice
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Secretary not that long ago, said that jury trials were
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: a fundamental part of our democratic settlement and he was
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: correct when he said that this is a very old
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: legal principle, particularly in England, go all the way back
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: to when the Vikings were ruling there.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: They were doing twelve man juries.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Henry the Second in the twelfth century set up twelve
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: man juries, a jury of your peers to deal.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: With land disagreements.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: And then, of course the Magna Carta, which is the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: basis of our entire legal system in much of the
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: British Empire and all of its offshoots, written in twelve fifteen,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: eight hundred and ten years ago, set out that a
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: jury trial was a right. I will quote directly from
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: the Magnakata, no free man shall be seized or imprisoned.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: This is the translation of I should say, will be
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or positions,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: or outlaw, or exiled, or deprived of his standing. And
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: yet in any other way, nor will we proceed with
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: force against him, or send others to do so, except
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: by the lawful judgment of.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: His equals or by the law.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: And it is widely understood that that means you have
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: the right to a jury trial.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: But now in the.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: UK they said, we'll just tear all of that up.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: We will take away your right.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: To a jury trial.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: This is this is a fundamental principle of common law
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: that you can choose that you have a jury of
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: your peers or a judge. If you take that choice away,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: they might say, oh, well, it doesn't matter that a
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: judge is a more eminently qualified jurist anyway, they better
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: know what they're doing.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: But that's not the point.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: This has always been a right that you have to choose,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and they're going to take it away.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: The Starma government will just eradicate eight hundred years of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: tradition and of rights and just do away with it
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: in the stroke of a pen because they don't want
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to invest the money it would take to have the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: court system operate effectively. Caleb mentioned that back during COVID,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: David Lammi wrote a column in The Telegraph saying that
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: a jury was part of the democratic foundation of the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: UK and was vitally important. And he said in that
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: article that all the research says you get fairer results
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: in court cases when there is a jury. He also
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: argued that if you start suspending trials by jury, they
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: will never return. And third he argued that if there's
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: a problem with jury trials, then the government of the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: day needs to spend more money on the court system
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: and on.
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: A point judges to hear those cases.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: That was when he was in opposition.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Now he's in government, he's got to spend the money,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: he's just going to do away with jury cases. The
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: thing that concerns me about this prayer is there are
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: so many examples of where the judiciary has become politicized.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Who would want a trial in front of a judge
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: these days? You would much prefer your chances in front
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: of twelve randoms than a left wing, progressive judge who
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: already has certain leanings depending on the nature of the issue.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And then you look at the way the UK is
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: going in terms of freedom of speech and all.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Of those other issues.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Increasingly you're creeping towards what some might call a police state.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: But even the way that this decision was framed sort
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: of speaks to the progressive nature and the politicization of
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: the judiciary. They frame us around victim's justice. Well, jury
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: trials have to be restricted because victims are waiting too
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: long to get their justice, but hang on as second,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: a victim's right to a speedy decision or resolution in
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: the court does not trump the accused right that has
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: been enshrined in common law precedent for eight hundred years
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: does not trump their right to choose to have a
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: jury trial. And so even the very equation balancing or
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: preferring a victim's rights ahead of the right of the
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: accused to a fair trial and a fair process speaks
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: to how left wing and woke so much of the
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: legal system has unfortunately become. But let's move over to
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: the US now, where woke is being entried in law.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: But this time people are being given more rights, if
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: you could call this that. The Governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: has just enacted the Crown Act, which will make it
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of their hair,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: their hair style, their hair texture, how they're wearing it,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: have a look.
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: For too long, a myopic notion of professionalism and eurocentric
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: standards of beauty have perpetuated racial inequity and exclusion.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Too many Black.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: Children have been suspended and missed what should be valuable
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: instruction time because their hair worn in ways that are
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: aligned with their racial identity have been deemed a violation
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: of school rules.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: This is so strange. So the argument that they're making
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: here is that black people presumably have a different texture
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: hair and they're being discriminated against when there are rules
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: around how you should wear your hair. But that's just ridiculous.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Because my natural hair texture when I wake up in
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: the morning is a complete mess full of notts. No
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: one wants to see me looking like that. But I
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: don't have a right to come on air every night
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: and demand that you all look at me and enjoy
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: my messy hair because that is my natural texture. No,
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: it's called standards, and I get it is harder for
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: people with very curly texted hair. But still, if there
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: is a standard, if your hair needs to be neat
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: and tidy, it needs to be neat and tidy. This
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: is just such overreach.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I have some experience with this, granted not my own hair,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: but having two adopted African boys. I remember when they
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: were at school and during the holidays they've got dreadlocks
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and they looked super gangster, and of course they went
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to school after the holidays and first day back were
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: told cut your hair.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: And I remember two very disappointed boys.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Saying, but Dad, we're African. I said, it doesn't matter
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: what you are. What matters is the school rules. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: now you don't have to get rid of your African hair.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: You just have to make sure it doesn't go past
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: your collar, whatever sort of care it is. And so
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I think This law is ridiculous, and surely the State
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania have got bigger things to worry about than
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: people are being discriminated against because they want to keep
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: their hair.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: The way that it is. It's ridiculous.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: By the way, does this apply to then Caucasian people
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: who say mohawk.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Is part of my culture, or if you're.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: An older person saying, well, purple hair is what older
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: people generally do.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: That's what I was wondering, because this has to be
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: just virtue signaling. In how many cases is this actually
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: an issue?
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Like do you walk?
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know, tell me if I'm wrong, But black
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: people all over the US walking into employment interviews and
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: being told that because your hair is naturally curly, you're
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: not eligible for the job. I highly doubt that is
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: going on. If it is going on, I'm sure it's
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: in like minuscule numbers. But they come up with this
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: law and then they can grandstand and say how wonderful
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: and virtuous they are for doing so.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: But yes, I mean the same thing.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, if my hair is thick as all
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: buggery and if I don't do something with it, it
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: is a total mess. I can barely control the stuff.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: So would it apply that I can just like ruffle
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: it up and away we go, Like it would look
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: like a bird's nest if I did that. But that's
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: the natural state of my hair. So does that mean
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: that's what I get to do. I don't know if
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: that's the standard you said. I don't see why it
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: wouldn't apply to everyone.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: My own head is increasingly discriminating against my hair.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Oh to have those kinds of problems, all right.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Staying in the US, the University of Washington runs a
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: particular course called the Diversity of Human Sexuality. It's a
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: very popular course, about twelve hundred students enrolled, and a
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: guest speaker is causing a stir because the lecturer invited
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: an Only Fan star to come and give a lecture
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: on sexual economics, construction of online personas, and the psychological
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: implication of digital spaces translated what It's like to be
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: a porn star. The Only Fans star, Ari Kistia is
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: very well known, very popular on social media, and had
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the one two hundred students absolutely transfixed, not so much
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: with stories about sexual economics and how it works, but
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: more anecdotes about online requests that she'd received from punters
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: and the challenges of creating an OnlyFans page that was
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: going to make you thousands, perhaps millions of dollars. Understandably,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: some parents and many critics have wondered, why are we
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: spending a fortune to send our kids to a university
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: where they have a porn star rock up to lecture
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: them with stories that effectively make them think that this
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: could be a glamorous lifestyle choice, and watching some of
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the footage after the lecture, there were students lined up
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: to have their photograph taken with this particular woman. The university,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: when asked for comments, said they defend the lecturer's right
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: to academic freedom.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: What do you think, Well, if you're taking a site
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: course called the Diversity of Human Sexuality, if you're looking
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: at the diversity of human sexuality and pornography is included
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: in that, it's a real thing. We can't get away
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: from that. It does exist. Only fans has exploded in
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: the last few years. Surely, I don't think you can
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: ignore the realities of things, and there's probably an imperative
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: to then balance that with someone else who comes along
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: and talks about it from the other side, as someone
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: who perhaps used to do it and now says, well,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: I got out.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Of it because this is what happened to me, or whatever.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: But I don't think you can ignore the realities of
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: the fact that it's going on. And if there is
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: anywhere where the weirdest and the wackiest people should be
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: able to speak, no matter what they believe, I think
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: it's a universal.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Well, Firstly, if you're taking a course called the Diversity
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: of Human Sexuality learning, how to say would you like
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: fries with that? Because people then will complain, oh, I
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: can't get a job. No, it's because you're taking ridiculous classes.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Why would you even pay money for that in the
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: first place. That's my first problem. Secondly, to call this
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: a lecture is a dramatic overstatement. This was more like
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: a porn star sitting there giving her musings on how
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: it feels to make millions of dollars while objectifying herself.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: It wasn't academic, it wasn't substantive. It was just anecdotal
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: talking from someone whose job it is is to sexualize herself.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: And then the problem is even the way this was
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: framed some of the social media content they put out
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: after the event, it really does glamorize it. This chick
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: she posts things like, you know, going into this bathroom
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: to pay for my whole holiday because she's going into
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: the bathroom to make pornographic content. And that says to
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: young women in particular, Oh, maybe I can do that too, No,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: you can't. Only a tiny personage of these porn stars
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: actually make it that much money. Most people just end
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: up getting exploited or they don't make much money at all.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: So I just think, come on, have some standards and
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: don't demand public funding for this crap.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Well, Frey would probably like to go get her to
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: go and find God, and she may well be able
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: to do so if she checks out the Billboard and
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: iTunes charts, on which there is a song that's currently
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: hit the top of the Christian and gospel album charts
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: and it was made by you guested artificial intelligence. Yes,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: I know, we've talked about a few of these recently.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Solomon Ray is the name of the artist in this case.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Is put out He I don't know, whatever, I don't
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: know has put out an album gone to the top
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: of the chart. Is a taste from one of the songs,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: quite creatively called I Got Her Song.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Now I've got a.
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: God.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Let me now, I'm.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Who's listening to this rot? Again? I said it? I
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: think it was last week we were talking about another
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: AI song.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: What is wrong with people that they're sending this stuff
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: to the top of the chart. It's not real music,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: it's not real art. It's someone sitting in you go
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: be bep. Here's some music that pretends to be I
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: hate it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: It's cause huge controversy among Christians because they're like, can
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: AI produce a song that glorifies God when it's not
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: coming from a human heart, it's coming from a computer.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I just think, use whatever technology is available to promote
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: your message.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Good on them.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah no, but when you listen to that, I'm with Caleb.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: It just doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: All right, We're going to go to a break.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: When we come back, look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: including the Liberals about to withdraw their support for the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: under sixteen social media band That more after this, welcome
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: back to the program. Before we get to the papers,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: breaking news from Hong Kong's Typo district, where there's a
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: massive fire in an apartment building that houses around.
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: Four six hundred people is believed to be four dead
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: at the moment. A look at this, just extraordinary.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Footage, massive fire, no idea to this point how it started.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: As I said, reports that four people have been confirmed dead.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: If that is true and that's all, that would be
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: an absolute miracle.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it would be. And it looks like it's engulfed
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: the surrounding buildings as well, and they're about thirty stories tall.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: So I mean, could you just imagine that? And how
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: do you even this is live pictures for you right now,
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: how do you even evacuate that many people? So I
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: really hope and pray that people are safe.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: I suspect it'll be a lot more than four people, unfortunately,
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: but they are the early numbers we have. I hope
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: as many as possible have been saved, but I don't
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: hold great hopes unfortunately. Let's go to the front of
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: the Australian tomorrow where it says LIB signal retreat on
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: backing social media band.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Isn't this cuous Liberal leadership?
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Aspert Melissa Macintosh has called into question the coalitions year
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: long support, year's long support, I should say, for an
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: under sixteen social media band, saying she is no longer
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: convinced it will work, despite former Liberal leader Peter Dutton
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: strongly supporting the ban.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: In fact, I think he was one of the first
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: to raise it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: The Opposition communication spokeswoman on Wednesday said she was not
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: surprised the social media clampdown was to be challenged in court.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Who walked back in the reform came as out. The
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Digital Freedom Project confirmed that proceedings had been filed in
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: the High Court challenging the band. What an extraordinary turnaround.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: So when it really mattered, the Libs were all on
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: board with it, and now when they think perhaps it's
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: a bit wobbly, they're saying, oh, well, actually maybe it's
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: not so good after all.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: You could have worked that out a bit earlier.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: That The most interesting part of this article to me
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: the first few words liberal leadership aspirant, et cetera, et cetera,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: et cetera. May not support the social media ban.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: It's just a free for all.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: It seems like where everybody is freelancing is is Melissa
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: McIntosh freelancing here? Or does Susan Lee also have major
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: concerns about the social media band?
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting that point you just raised, because I
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: think last night we were talking about a story where
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Melissa McIntosh had hosted drinks for forty of her colleagues.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: What do you know that makes a lot of sense
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: if she's a leadership aspirant. Now, look, I think I
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: also initially supported the social media ban for a long time.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: But I think and I think the evidence is very
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: clear that social media is extremely harmful to young people. However,
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: when you look at what Labour's doing with the E
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Safety Commissioner and the way they have turned what was
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: supposed to be just a ban and then let the
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: rest of the Internet rein free, they have just used
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: this now instead as an excuse for just more and
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: more regulation for everyone. A social media ban would only
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: work if you said no one under sixteen can be
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: on social media, and the rest of it we're just
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: going to leave alone. Instead, they're going for a maximalist
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: approach where they're going we're going to ban it for
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: kids and we're going to restrict it for everyone else.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I can't support that.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I think people forget that it came along at exactly
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: the same time as the Misinformation Disinformation Bill, and that
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: was not a coincidence. It was all meant to be
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: wrapped up into one for very good reasons. And Macintosh
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: is the coalition's communications spoke woman, so she's not just
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: saying this is a backbencher.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: She is saying this is.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Someone who speaks for the Coalition on these matters. Another
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: story on the front of the euse tomorrow Labour's two
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: hundred k hiring spree. The size of the federal public
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: service has jumped by twenty four point seven percent under
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: the Albanezy government, almost two hundred thousand workers as departments
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: eerge to identify low priority spending that can be cut.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Data released by the Australian Public Service Commission on Wednesday
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: shows a thirteen thousand, six hundred and seventy one rise
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: it's people, I'm assuming equivalent to seven point four percent
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: in public service numbers in the past financial year and
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: arise in the overall head count from one hundred and
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: fifty nine thousand, one hundred and seventy nine in mid
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty two to one hundred ninety eight thousand, five
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: hundred and twenty nine at June thirty this year. A
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: thirty nine thousand, three hundred and fifty increase in three years.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Who would have thought labor bigger, public service blow me down.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: The crazy part about that is not only have staffing
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: numbers gone up, but consols have gone up as well,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: and also temporary personal services. Spending on those people has
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: gone through the roof as well, So it's just spend spend.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: After all that, we're going to ditch the consultants, We're
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: going to be sustainable with the budget, we're going to
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: ditch labor higher and they're doing all the things they
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: said they wouldn't.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: What do you know?
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: In the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, the headline is it's a
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: shocker runaway energy prices kill any hope of mortgage relief.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: There is now no relief insight from the cost of
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: living crisis, and interest rates might be even forced higher
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: following shock inflation figures driven by soaring power prices. Inflation
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: grew by three point eight percent on the back of
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: a thirty seven percent increase in electricity bills, and economists
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: are demanding treasurer GYM charmers come up with a credible
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: plan to lower power costs which are destroying family budgets.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, we've been saying this, We've been saying this
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: happened for years in fact.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: We've been saying this, but Jim Chalmers said in March
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: they were committed to finishing the fight against inflation, and
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: in May he said inflation is coming down fast, faster
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: than we ever thought. Here we are now with inflation
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: going up. And remember that promise that power prices would
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: come down. They still maintain that they will, but they
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: dare not say when because they don't know.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: It gives you zero.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: They've always known that it's a major driver of inflation.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: That's why they had all those substances.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: The only way inflation was coming down was when they
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: subsidized all of our power bills. And now those have
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: come up. It's back up again.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's go.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: To the front page of the Canberra Times. Bullying Familiar Home, bullyings,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Familiar Home reads the headline. Home Affairs was once again
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: rated by staff as having one of the worst levels
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: of bullying in the government, despite an improvement from the
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: year before. The twoy twenty five State of the Service
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: report shows the perception of bullying and harassment at the
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Department of Home Affairs fell from fifteen percent to twelve
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: point seven percent, a decrease of more than two percentage points.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: So this is the Home Affairs Department triumphing in the
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: fact that only twelve point seven percent of the staff
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: believe it is infected with a culture of.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Bullying and harassment.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: When twelve percent of the staff think the culture is
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: one of bullying and you think well that's a good result,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: you know you've got major problems it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: My advice would be, if you don't want to get bullied,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: have your affairs somewhere other than your home. On the
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: front of the Cans Post tomorrow, it says not a
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: prank shop manager fine for trapped investigators. A convenience store
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: manager who trapped seven public health and police officers inside
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: a city store as they investigated elicit tobacco sales has
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: been fined eight thousand dollars. William Wallace Lewis twenty one,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: you can see him.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: There, pleaded guilty to deprivation of liberty.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Over the incident on June twenty four this year in
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Grafton Street, with the defense suggesting it was a prank.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it was.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: When he locked the doors and said you're not leaving
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: this that was absolutely a power Come.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: On, now, you think I want to play a prank?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Who should be prank today.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Yet the coppers sign a few police.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: And prank them. No, no one ever had that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: He's not going to get the Brainiac of the Year awards.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to go to a break. When
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: we come back, Trump.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Pardons turkey's a judge sits on the bench dressed as Elvis,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and you will not believe our.
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: Dope of the day is coming up next to.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it's Thanksgiving Day in the US tomorrow, and as
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: per tradition, the US president pardons a couple of turkeys
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: every year. Donald Trump joked that he would also pardon
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: last year's turkeys because, of course, when Joe Biden pardoned them,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: it was with an auto pen, so that pardon didn't count.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Before pardoning this year's turkeys, he made sure that their
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: names were not Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, the Democrat politician.
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: So look, I was.
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: Going to call him Chuck in Ancy, but then I
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: realized I wouldn't be pardoning them. I would never pardon
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: those two people. I wouldn't pardon them. I wouldn't care
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: what Malania told me, Darling, I think it would be
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: a nice thing to do, I won't do it, Darling,
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: I love Trumpet.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter what he does, he always injects humor. And
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: then he was interrupted by a turkey.
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: Today we continue a time on an American tradition.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a well trained turkey.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Brilliant trump always entertaining. Can't take your eyes off in
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: when he's behind the microphone.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: If there's anywhere to find a few turkeys, it's politics.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: I just want to know was it a three D
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: printed turkey or not.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Three D printed chicken last night?
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Anyway, let's get into our favorite segment.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Shall we.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Do day.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: And today's entry. I tell you what. Look, we've all
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: been caught short once or twice.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: You're desperate to go to the louver, but look, take
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: it from me, maybe don't do it in full view
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: of people on the side of the road. Brother, brother,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: what are you doing, guz, because what are you doing?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you doing?
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Guns?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Para Hills in Adelaide, Yes, maybe find a toilet.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Oh and the fact that he had no idea what
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: he was doing was wrong. I mean, come on, that
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: is so bad. Well over in Missouri, a junte is
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: facing a six month suspension because he thought to add
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: some levity to what is otherwise a very solemn and
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: intense process of court. He would dress up in an
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: Elvis costume and play Elvis Presley music from his iPhone
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: during court proceedings. As you can expect, the blowbag from
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: the legal.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Profession was, rather, if you were a defendant, would that
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: fill you with confidence or would you be nervous as hell?
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: I think it'd be great.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: I think, wow, I'm going to get away with if
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: I've got this blokeupy.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: But you know what he said when he got fired.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Come on, Elvis has left the building very good.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for tonight stick around. Coming
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: up right now is to read a penalty show.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Good night,