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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, November 24 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sulimsells, John O'shows
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  Speaker 1: and Brian Sexton. Jacks Drive Time and it starts right now.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome in Jaguars Drive Time on a Wednesday morning. Happy
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  Speaker 1: thanks getting early Thanksgiving to all of you here on
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  Speaker 1: a Wednesday. We're here at Jaguars Drive Time and we're
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  Speaker 1: starting the show getting ready for a home game against
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons this Saturday. And we have DJ Shockley here
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  Speaker 1: joining us early in the morning, former Falcons quarterback and
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  Speaker 1: current sports anchor for Fox five in Atlanta. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for waking up with us, my pleasure. I appreciate you all.
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  Speaker 1: Haven't absolutely slright, So tell us what's going on with
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  Speaker 1: these Falcons there? Four and six losing their last two.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on up there? It's been a kind of
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  Speaker 1: mixed bag. It's been you know, a couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 1: thank you God, things going in the right direction. And
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  Speaker 1: then obviously the last two weeks there haven't been what
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  Speaker 1: falas fan, what the Falcon organization expected to be, uh,
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  Speaker 1: laying a big egg, going down in Dallas and losing
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  Speaker 1: big time there and then last week losing as well.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been a mixed bag of trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out which guys can do what in his new schemes
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  Speaker 1: and Arthur Smith the head coaches, trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: which guy can be what. But it's been tough because
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  Speaker 1: you've had some injuries, You've had some of your key
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  Speaker 1: players out and uh, that always makes it tough, you know,
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  Speaker 1: DJ we Um. We are used to Arthur Smith in
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  Speaker 1: this division from his days in Tennessee and everything ran
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  Speaker 1: through the running game. And it would seem without Julio
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  Speaker 1: Jones there this year and without Calvin Ridley on the
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  Speaker 1: field right now, that he would be able to lean
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  Speaker 1: on his running game. Can the Falcons do that or
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  Speaker 1: are they? Are they still having to work the ball
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  Speaker 1: through the quarterbacks hands. I'll be honest, it's been tough
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  Speaker 1: to get the run game going. Um. You think about
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  Speaker 1: some of the success that they have had, and it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been in the run game. It's through play action,
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  Speaker 1: which is hard to say because usually play action is
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  Speaker 1: predicated off ain't a good run game. The Falcons have
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  Speaker 1: struggled mightily in the run game. Really. The only guy
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  Speaker 1: who's had any semblance of a run game has been
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  Speaker 1: Cordea Patterson and he's been the Swiss Army Knight for
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  Speaker 1: the Falcons. Uh. He's done a little bit of everything
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  Speaker 1: for him, UM, and he's been a guy that you expect.
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  Speaker 1: He was out last week in the New England game.
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  Speaker 1: They're hoping he comes back this week, but it's still
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  Speaker 1: up in the air. He was a game time decision
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  Speaker 1: last week and they decided not to play him on
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  Speaker 1: Thursday night. So I expect to see him back, hopefully
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday. But you brought in Mike Davis to be
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  Speaker 1: a guy you thought could be a bruiser. He was
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  Speaker 1: really good in Carolina, UH called fifty balls out of
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  Speaker 1: the backfield, was really tough runner. But just hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: the guy for the Falcons this season. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a not just on the back, that has to
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  Speaker 1: do with the offensive line as well. The offensive line
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  Speaker 1: has struggled to move people. Uh. There have been times
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  Speaker 1: where they looked okay, but for the majority of the
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  Speaker 1: season it's been UH the inability to be able to
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  Speaker 1: move guys up front and then get the run game going.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been a lot on UH. A fourteen year
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  Speaker 1: veter than quarterback Matt Ryan, who's been hit a lot
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  Speaker 1: this season. Is that really the issue with him? DJ?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just being nostalgic, but I remember an m
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  Speaker 1: VP candidate. You know, I'm talking about a guy who
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  Speaker 1: could line up and and destroy a defense if it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't playing at its highest level. And that guy seems
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  Speaker 1: long ago. Is he I would say past his prime?
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  Speaker 1: But is he? Well, I'll say this, it's it's been
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  Speaker 1: a it's been tough because he hasn't had a run game,
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  Speaker 1: for one, and on the other side of it, he's
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  Speaker 1: missed a bunch of pieces. You you talked about it
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  Speaker 1: when we came on here. He didn't have his number
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  Speaker 1: one guy, Calvin really for the last you know, ten years,
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  Speaker 1: he's had a guy at number eleven who you guys
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  Speaker 1: know about, and Julio Jones has been really good for him.
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  Speaker 1: And now he's done and everybody expected the count and
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  Speaker 1: really to jump into that spot. And he's you know
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  Speaker 1: obviously had to you know, sit out in the last
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  Speaker 1: four weeks because something's going on with his mental health.
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  Speaker 1: So it's one of these situations where he hasn't had
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  Speaker 1: all the pieces there. The offense hasn't been you know,
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  Speaker 1: up to par as far as the offensive line they
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  Speaker 1: haven't done a good job of protect him mad at times.
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  Speaker 1: And then you got a rookie that you're depending on
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  Speaker 1: a lot in this season and Kyle Pitts um last
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  Speaker 1: week they lost one of their other titles and haying
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  Speaker 1: Hurst who was out with an ankle injury. So it's
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  Speaker 1: been not having a full compliment of guys around him
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  Speaker 1: to help him throughout this season. Kyle Pittence has been
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  Speaker 1: a big part of what they do, but teams are
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  Speaker 1: starting to say, okay, no Calvin, really, no hayting Hurst,
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  Speaker 1: Let's double Kyle Pitts. Now where you want to go
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  Speaker 1: to the football, you don't have a run game that
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  Speaker 1: makes it tough on any quarterback, let alone a guy
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  Speaker 1: you know who's been around for fourteen years. DJ. My
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  Speaker 1: understanding is that people who who think this defense is
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  Speaker 1: starting to find itself a little bit, are you seeing
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  Speaker 1: that as well? And what pieces are starting to work? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think they are. Even though you know, you go
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  Speaker 1: back and you look at the Dallas game and it
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  Speaker 1: was you know, forty three or three or whatever. The
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  Speaker 1: Thoucon has really just had one bad quarter in the
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  Speaker 1: second quarter where you know, they gave up twenty plus
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  Speaker 1: points and then you have some uh interseptestion things go
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  Speaker 1: against you. But last week versus New England, it really
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  Speaker 1: was thirteen nothing for it long time, and it got
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  Speaker 1: away from the files and lading the ball game with
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  Speaker 1: some later receptions. But this defense is starting to come around.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, last week versus Pages, they got
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  Speaker 1: three sacks, they got an interception, and that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that the Fils fans and his organization has
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  Speaker 1: been clamoring for for years is can we get any
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  Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback? And last week we're able to
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  Speaker 1: get three sacks on Mac Jones and that was a
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  Speaker 1: tremendous thing going forward. But DPS has done a really
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  Speaker 1: good job of trying to, i want to say, change
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  Speaker 1: what they see pre snap as opposed what they see
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  Speaker 1: post snap and disguising a lot of stuff, bringing pressure
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  Speaker 1: from a lot of different ways and just trying to
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  Speaker 1: make it look different on an offense. And I think
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  Speaker 1: they're starting to get there. Obviously, the leaders up front
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  Speaker 1: and Grady Jared has played stout all year. You got
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  Speaker 1: four y, a little Cohn and Dean Jones and the
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  Speaker 1: line back the spot to our you know, leading the team.
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  Speaker 1: The tackles, they never come out the field, and then
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  Speaker 1: a J. Terrell is probably having a Pro Bowl year
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  Speaker 1: at the corner spot. So they got some good pieces
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  Speaker 1: on the back end. But now the PS is trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out which guy can do what the best
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  Speaker 1: and then try to give him a chance to win.
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  Speaker 1: Two teams that really just need a win on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: the Falcons and the Jaguars. DJ, thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for joining us on Jaguars Drive Time. Can we appreciate it?
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  Speaker 1: you to DJ Shockley for joining us. That was great
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  Speaker 1: to get some perspective on the Atlanta Falcons team that
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  Speaker 1: was on its high horse a little bit lost the
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  Speaker 1: last two and now really needs a win. There are
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  Speaker 1: four and four. I'm not sure how high the horse was,
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  Speaker 1: but they were feeling good and I think they still
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  Speaker 1: feel good. I mean they look at the next two
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  Speaker 1: games as a way to get back to six and six.
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  Speaker 1: Uh until they lost to New England and Dallas, they
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  Speaker 1: were in the surging. I think they had the seventh
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  Speaker 1: seed in the NFC. So all these teams that jas
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  Speaker 1: are playing there, four and six, four and five, they
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  Speaker 1: still feel like they're in it, which makes them a
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  Speaker 1: tough out because when you're motivated, you're hard to beating
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  Speaker 1: this league well. And they're not as explosive as a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us are used to. I mean, the Julio
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  Speaker 1: Jones here has gone obviously, and and you just heard
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  Speaker 1: DJ talk about how they've been unable to find some consistency.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds very familiar. But like last week, they come
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  Speaker 1: in maybe not playing as well as they would like,
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  Speaker 1: but with some incredible matchup issues. Absolutely they're a better
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  Speaker 1: receiver corps. This is not a depleted I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is not a incapable offense. Uh not with that, Matt
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  Speaker 1: Ryan is not an incapable quarterback. So I'm sorry. It
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  Speaker 1: was a great thought. It was working all right. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get into big things. One big thing one is better.
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  Speaker 1: It's the goal of the season. No matter how many
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  Speaker 1: games you win, sometimes focusing on getting better week to
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  Speaker 1: week is all you can do. They're underman but can
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  Speaker 1: play better. And the quarterback didn't play as bad as
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  Speaker 1: people think. Actually one of the better games. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there was some surrounding Castle at times didn't do very well.
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  Speaker 1: But you know Trevor to be the first one to
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  Speaker 1: tell you when he doesn't play well. He played in
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  Speaker 1: my mind, he played well, you know, good enough, No,
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  Speaker 1: not good enough, but played well, made some great drows,
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  Speaker 1: scrambled when he had to, made the right reads on
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  Speaker 1: some of you know. So we just gotta, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta put it together in all areas, and we're
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  Speaker 1: not right now. Big thing, too, is a bigger Falcons
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  Speaker 1: will bring in receiving tight end Kyle Pitts and receiving
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  Speaker 1: running back Cordell Patterson. Matchups are everything, and the Falcons
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  Speaker 1: have some big ones this week. The defense is going
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  Speaker 1: to have to get back to the defense we saw
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  Speaker 1: two weeks ago. On defense, I commend our staff. I
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  Speaker 1: met with our staff many times, and we adjusted, adapted
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  Speaker 1: to our personnel and we're playing better. You know, even yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's three sacks on that first drive, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: and two of them were negated because of penalty offside
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  Speaker 1: and a hole. Um. But I liked the way our defense.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you say you give up that many points,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to me that was when you have a
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  Speaker 1: twenty play drive, you hold them to three points and
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  Speaker 1: had three sacks and that drive and the extended by penalty,
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  Speaker 1: I consider that a win. But then we thirty seconds
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  Speaker 1: later the defense is back on the field, and then
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  Speaker 1: thirty seconds again later they're back because in fumble, so
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  Speaker 1: everybody's got to hold up there and of bargain and
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  Speaker 1: big thing three is bounce back. It has been a
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  Speaker 1: long week and it is only Wednesday. Vibes not the greatest.
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  Speaker 1: After a big loss at home last Sunday. The team
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  Speaker 1: has to play well, especially in front of their home
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  Speaker 1: fans this weekend against the Atlanta Falcons. Let's go back
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  Speaker 1: up to big thing one, which was Trevor Lawrence not
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  Speaker 1: playing as bad as the perspective is. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how bad the perspective because he doesn't have that that
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  Speaker 1: fumble in the last drive against the Colts. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting to hear coach Meyer say, chill out
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  Speaker 1: a little bit on the quarterball. People see it, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't have a lot he's working with.
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  Speaker 1: This offense is one dimensional as it gets as one
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  Speaker 1: dimensional as you could imagine, and defenses are putting them
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  Speaker 1: in a box. I think we talked about it last week.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a red zone from one side of the
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  Speaker 1: field to the other. It's compressed on him. Um. So
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  Speaker 1: if you're looking for the big bomb passed down the field,
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  Speaker 1: for the dramatic esp and highlight touchdown, you're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: get it. And if that's how you're judging his success, okay,
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  Speaker 1: he's not successful. But if you're looking at the way
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  Speaker 1: that he manages an offense, the coach obviously thinks he's
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  Speaker 1: getting better. I'm not trying to be cute here, but
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  Speaker 1: what's the dimension? M hm, Well, you say there's one dimension.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure there is a dimension, and there hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been the last two And that's the point is, you
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  Speaker 1: know they were one dimensional and then James Robinson it
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  Speaker 1: gets hurt and that dimension even goes away, So I
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  Speaker 1: think that even speaks more to your point, Brian, there
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  Speaker 1: is not a lot for Trevor Lawrence to work with.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's insignificant at all that urban Meyer
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  Speaker 1: said on Monday he played much better, or he said
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  Speaker 1: much but he played better against the Forts then he
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  Speaker 1: did the Colt. Urban has not gone that direction very
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  Speaker 1: often with Trevor. He has supported him, but he's not said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: he played a lot. When Trevor has played poorly, he
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  Speaker 1: said it. So I believe that I believe they saw
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things they like from Trevor. Uh Iran
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  Speaker 1: go went back and watch the game, and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see where he played that poorly. He was sixty five.
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  Speaker 1: They only had like thirty plays, I mean exaggerated, were
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  Speaker 1: down seventeen nothing and they do only run four and
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  Speaker 1: they had seven series, so it's hard to judge there.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he made good decisions though he was smart
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  Speaker 1: the other day. I just think there was a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot for him to work with the other day. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that I felt that way against Indianapolis well,
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  Speaker 1: and look, this ties into number two and that is
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  Speaker 1: the only way that this offense is going to get
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  Speaker 1: on track this year is if the defense helps them,
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  Speaker 1: and that is creating short fields giving him extra possessions.
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  Speaker 1: We talked last week the average team has between nine
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  Speaker 1: and eleven possessions per game. They got seven, right, this
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  Speaker 1: team needs fourteen. You need some extra help. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: needs all the help it can get. And the defense
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  Speaker 1: didn't help last week. And by the way, expect to
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  Speaker 1: see that that sweep out of the backfield with Cordelle
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  Speaker 1: Paterson this week because to my astonishment, I thought the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars really clamped down the tremendous job on Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: The Bills didn't do as good at chub on Jonathan
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  Speaker 1: Taylor last week. The Jaguars really took him away after
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  Speaker 1: that powerful first quarter, and they couldn't stop Deebo Deebo
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  Speaker 1: Samuel wide receiver. And yet they couldn't because the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: weren't very strong and run support in the corners. The
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  Speaker 1: corners didn't hold up. So expect to see Cordell Paterson,
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  Speaker 1: who's bigger and more powerful than Deebo Samuel, doing the
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  Speaker 1: exact same play until they proved they can stop it.
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  Speaker 1: At Cordel Patterson's the thirty year old guy who has
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  Speaker 1: had a real renaissance. Uh, Arthur Smith has done a
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  Speaker 1: great job of getting the most out of him. It's
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  Speaker 1: not quite sure as of I think Monday when I
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  Speaker 1: talk to somebody that if he's gonna play, they're hopeful,
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  Speaker 1: they hope play. Uh. They are a dramatically different offense
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  Speaker 1: with him in the game than without, So that's something
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  Speaker 1: to watch without him and just everybody stopped the big
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  Speaker 1: guy right where's Kyle Pitts Okay, yep, Cordell Patterson if
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  Speaker 1: he is on the field, expect to see him attack
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  Speaker 1: just like Samuel and hopefully the Jaguars is injured as
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  Speaker 1: they are at corner right now, have somebody who can
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  Speaker 1: step Bob. Yeah, I was just gonna say that questionable
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  Speaker 1: about Tyson Campbell, Shaquille Griffin and concussion protocol. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: see what happens. But you need those guys on the
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  Speaker 1: Drive time on a Wednesday. It is time for some
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  Speaker 1: this sir. That's Brian Sexton. What do you got? Well,
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  Speaker 1: so Sunday was that slap in the face where you realized,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I am uncompetitive at key positions and I
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  Speaker 1: need premium players. Um. I'll use the the Bengals as
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  Speaker 1: the example here. The question is do you know, do
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  Speaker 1: you want to win as many of the seven as
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  Speaker 1: you can this year or do you want to play
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  Speaker 1: well and put yourself in a position to you know,
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  Speaker 1: the close loss, to be in a position to grab
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  Speaker 1: the top pick. Um. The reason I ask is you
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  Speaker 1: look at you look at the Bengals right there, four
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  Speaker 1: eleven and one. In Joe burrows first year, so they're
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  Speaker 1: the fourth pick of the draft. They give Jamaar Chase
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  Speaker 1: and this year he's made a tremendous difference. Uh. They
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  Speaker 1: are six and four and in the first wild card
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  Speaker 1: slot right. Um, well, I guess it's not the first
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  Speaker 1: anymore the way they changed it, but they're they're sitting
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  Speaker 1: in the wild card there in the middle of it.
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  Speaker 1: You need that in the worst way. Um So what
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  Speaker 1: is your mindset? And I'll tell you. You know, last
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  Speaker 1: year I was all in on the close losses which
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  Speaker 1: they gave him in November they played Member of the
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  Speaker 1: games in Minnesota and against the Browns and the Texans.
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  Speaker 1: This year, it's about winning, right you can find players.
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  Speaker 1: Uh you have to dig in mind a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: It's not as easy, um, but this is about winning
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  Speaker 1: over the final seven weeks. They need to beat the Falcons,
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  Speaker 1: the Texans, the Jets. You know, these are games that
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  Speaker 1: they should be able to win, at least you thought
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  Speaker 1: so before the injury bug hit. Um, I win. I
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  Speaker 1: mean five wins matters this year. Whereas last year wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: matter at all, it would it hurt you. Five wins
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  Speaker 1: this year helps you because you're building. I agree, And Uh,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: I may wind up by taken back my words in
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: uh in April in the off season, but my understanding
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: from the little look ahead I've done with the draft
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: is there's not really a Jamar Chase type receiver that
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: it is a a deep receiver corps maybe not that guy.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Uh So, frankly, finishing with the third overall pick compared
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: to finishing with the eighth overall pick may not be
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: as dramatic a difference certainly as it was last year.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I agree with you this program, these players, Uh, we
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: need next September for winning not to feel weird to
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: these guys. I don't know how huge a deal that is,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: but it feels like it's a bigger deal than maybe
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: three spots in the draft this year. Yeah, it's just
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: totally different. If you're in the quarterback conversation, then this
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: is a totally different conversation. You don't have that position
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: of need. So yeah, win games, win two more. It
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: matters right now, absolutely, John, What do you have? I have?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that I I'm I'm torn on
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: this either way. But Matt Ryan is or is not
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer, And I get when you
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: first say that. I think a lot of people like
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I can't be off. You know. I know Slend's over
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: there using that voice. Um, but if you look at
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: his numbers and if you look at how he'll be
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: judged after retirement, he is currently I think it's ninth
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: on the all time touchdown list. Uh, every player ahead
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: of him is either in the Hall of Fame or
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame. You could debate Eli Manning.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I think Eli will wind up in the Hall of Fame.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: But even if he doesn't, he's four behind Eli. Matt
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Ryan is gonna play two three more years, so he's
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be up on that list. I don't know that
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: he is, but I think the conversation. I guess my
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: point with this is he is a much better quarterback
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: now that I think people are giving them credit for.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Because I agree with DJ. The offensive line, my understanding,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: has really let him down this year. But I think
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: he's a better all time quarterback. Maybe playing in Atlanta
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: only making one Super Bowl. He has five Pro Bowls
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: and m v p uh and and he's playing in
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It'll be a debate when he retires.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I'll let other people deal with the stats. Um, you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you don't need a Super Bowl win to be a
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Dan Marino is the perfect example of that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: He put up amazing numbers. UM. A wise man once said,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is about being famous. Were you
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: in big games? Did you have big moments on the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: football field, Were you a player of significance. Look if
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Eli Manning, I would say, if you had to choose
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: between the two, I take Eli Manning right. Two super
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Bowl wins and they were dramatic over the Patriots may throws.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: You always remember. Yeah. But I think when you talk
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: about Matt Ryan, his career was a little he kind
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: of sailed under the radar in in some ways because
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: there were star players and it wasn't always about him.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm with John, I think he belongs deep into
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the conversation and um, it's a much more interesting discussion
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: than I think people would think until they get into it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And the problem for him is people gonna remember that
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl lost three and he doesn't capitalist if he
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: has that super Bowl no questions if it's amazing. If
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you look at his numbers and his overall playing that
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, h he probably should have won them to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: get like he played well enough to I'm gonna get
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that call. I love hearing from Spam. He's my buddy. Um,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: he would have had a chance, much better chance had
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that game going the other way. But he really didn't
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: do anything to lose the game. But that's why, I mean,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that's how this thing works. So I don't think he'll
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: get in, but it's an interesting conversation, more interesting than
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I thought when I actually chose this show. Yeah, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I think it is interesting when you talk about the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: age difference because me being twenty six, I know Matt Ryan.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I watched that Super Bowl and I watched him growing up.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I would worry that someone younger than me, especially when
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you have the Patrick Mahome is nobody there is. There's
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: plenty of people younger than me that watched football. It
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: might not remember the Matt Ryan that you guys are
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: talking about, and maybe that's something that hurts him. Maybe
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter at all. Well, as we have found out
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: with Tony Boselli, it depends on who's in your you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: in that class, on that list at times um because
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Alan Fantica played on more high profile playoff teams than
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Tony Boselli did. Even though I think Tony Boselli was
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a superior football player, voters remember remember the whole of fame.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: It's about big players making big memories. People recall. I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like it all right, mind this third that is corner
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: or safety or both. What covers Kyle Pitts And I'm
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: mentioning this because yesterday and his press conference, Coach Meyer
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: alluded that they might have to do both, have a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: corner and a safety over the top to cover a
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: guy that Kyle Pitts he wanted in the draft, and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: he was really honest about So we'll ask defensive corner
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Joe calling this today. But I don't think you have
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: an option, Brian. I think you have to do both
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: well and depending look at Cordell Patterson isn't healthy enough
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to be himself, then you're probably gonna have a linebacker
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: who's available to help you. So at times you may
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: see a linebacker in a safety or safety in a corner,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: though there will be different players over the top of
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: this making sure that they've got their eyes on where
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: he's at. But it won't be a corner or safety alone.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: You'll see other guys too well, no question, And I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: kind of laughed at Urban's answer when somebody asked him
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: what do you like what makes Kyle Pitts good and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: listed a couple of things, ever and said yes, and
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and look, it's not turns it into a thing. There
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: was no way they were getting up from Kyle Pitts.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: That wasn't gonna be give your whole draft up for it. Well,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think you could have. I mean, there wasn't
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: enough that you could give up to go get him. So, uh,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: they have liked to sure. I don't think he's a
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: guy that you automatically defend. I think I thank you, Bracket.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You take as much away and you hope he doesn't
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: wreck the game. But he's gonna get his yards, Yes
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: he will. It's going to be a mask, Mitch, Matt
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Why can't I say mismatch one of those things, match
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: issue one of those things here on in Jacksonville on
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Sunday against the Atlanta Falcons. When we come back on
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Jaguar's Drive Time, some Monday's headlines today. Jaguars Game Day
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  Speaker 1: Do Good Think Better? A Wednesday show, but no show
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: tomorrow due to a very happy Thanksgiving. So we are
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: doing Monday's headlines today. Yeah, and you just hit me
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: with that one, so to stay with a Thanksgiving theme.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm looking, I'm not confident in this
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: at all. I thought that these were two games the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Jaguars would have a chance to win, and based on
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: last week, now I'm one to do the opposite. But
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I'll go with home Cooking to play off of the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and say that the Jaguars win something. You know fourteen.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: You know, even though they haven't scored seventeen points, was
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the last time to sports seventeen Um, a couple of
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: weeks going indied. So yeah, you just don't know how
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: they're going to get their points. But maybe the defense scores.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I expect the defense to rebound. I expect to see
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen um have a have a big game. So
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I'll say home cooking. Um. I was gonna go with
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: this is the Pits Kits, but I don't know what
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that means. Um, I think jag Wars fans, I've got
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: to go with oh no, because well, I think the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: defense will play well. Um, But yeah, I don't want
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: this to happen. But they scored eleven point I mean
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the age eleven points a game in their last four games.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know where the offense comes from to get
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: some significantly better than that. And I think although the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Falcons have struggled, they are a more potent offense in
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars, and they'll score enough to win. So they
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: have players that are mismatches. The Jaguars do not home cooking,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: oh no, and just enough. The Jaguars will do just
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: enough to win at home. I don't know when the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: next win will come, but it will be this week.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I think the defense rebounds. I don't think the offense
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: scores enough points. They're gonna need some turnovers, maybe a
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: pick six. Something is going to have to happen to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: make this work. But it will work just enough, just enough.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I like y'alls better than I like mine. Bad John, Well,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: let's be honest. You were trying to get oh sure,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: oh no, doing into the headline, We get it. Shameless
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: of promotion is not beneath you, my friend, No, absolutely not.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: It's yeah. That is Jaguars Drive Time on a Wednesday.
• 25:07
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• 25:10
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• 25:12
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• 25:15
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