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Resilience Refined: Charlotte Ralph's Inspiring Journey Through Cancer, Motherhood, and Entrepreneurship · Work It Like A Mum

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  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Elizabeth Willits and I'm obsessed with helping as many women as possible achieve their boldest dreams after kids and helping you to navigate this messy and magical season of life.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another episode of the Work it Like a Mum podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your host, elizabeth Willick, and I am today joining you with another story from an incredible woman who is redefining what it means to be a working mother.
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  Speaker 2: Today, I'm thrilled to introduce you to Charlotte Rall, a woman whose career has been as colourful and versatile as the style advice she offers through her business.
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  Speaker 2: Shoot by Charlotte, from navigating the corporate coveted of the NHS to embracing creative core personal styling, her journey has been nothing short of inspiring.
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  Speaker 2: She's a mother, a cancer survivor and an entrepreneur who has faced a life's kill falls with grace and tenacity.
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  Speaker 2: So grab your get comfortable and let's get to know Charlotte Rall.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, charlotte, for joining me today.
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  Speaker 3: It's a pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: It's really interesting to talk to you because people don't know, I used to do comedy videos a long time ago, so that was based on where we offered personal styling tell people what colours do to them.
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: It's such a brilliant, brilliant thing to do.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: If you've never had to fill in, so you can definitely do it.
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: And that is how I met Charlotte, because me and Charlotte did trainees go there like 12 years ago, now yeah.
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: I was playing on your phone.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not sure, and you didn't feel like 12 years ago.
• 3:09
  Speaker 3: No, even though it's not happened since then, a lot has happened, especially as we're going to get into your story, which is just incredible.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: But 12 years ago, hi, mate, I met Charlotte and her mom, who were doing the training and the playing time with me, which was brilliant, so talk to you about that.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: I was quite interested if you were working, weren't you full-time at that point in the NHS and did you have any motivation to be up your job?
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: Were you planning to take on a reasonable full-time?
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't really thinking of giving up my job.
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  Speaker 3: I'd been working in the NHS as an events organiser for quite a few years at that point and I'd never even had my colours done.
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: But I'd always found the idea of it really interesting and my mum had had them done in her 20s, I think, and had always lived by it.
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: And it was her talking.
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  Speaker 3: She suddenly decided she was kind of, she had a part-time job in the NHS as well, but she decided she was going to train with Colour Me Beautiful and she mentioned it to me and I then started to look at it and think, actually, I think I would really like this too, because I always loved working with people and dealing with people.
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: I loved fashion and style, but I always struggled with what to wear.
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: I had so many nice hours where I'd be kind of crying in front of the mirror throwing down all these different tops that I didn't think suited me.
• 4:35
  Speaker 3: I loved watching Trinidad and Susanna and more not, yeah, Gork.
• 4:41
  Speaker 3: So I started to look into it and, yeah, eventually decided I would train as a stylist with my mum and I took a couple of weeks off work to do it and then, yeah, launched my business from there and do you?
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: like to be there, being still working full-time at that point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was Looking back.
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not really sure quite how I did that.
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  Speaker 3: It was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 3: I was a lot younger, I suppose, probably had a bit more energy.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I would see people mostly a week, so I'd be working full-time during the week and then I'd see people at the weekends and sometimes in the evenings as well.
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  Speaker 3: So it was very busy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, did you have a desire at that point to be one day this will be your full-time career, when you're lovely and into it.
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  Speaker 3: I think what I thought was I could see it would be a really good option, because I think when I trained with Colour Me Beautiful, I was engaged, I was going to be getting married the next year and you really wanted to have children and I could see there was going to be a really good option to give me a career while I was also being a mum.
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is exactly why I trained, you know, and this is why you, I was getting married that year.
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  Speaker 2: I had a lot of kids at that point and I could see my job would be really difficult to juggle with children.
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: And I'd had my husband and some lady had done it at her house and she'd sort of said you know, I do it a few times a week, yeah, this is easy.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: But around family, I mean, nothing's ever easy.
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: But you're in control of it and it is flexible.
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: You can do as much or as little as you want really.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think at that point I was thinking it's going to be my only job for the moment, but yeah, I could see it would be a good option for the future.
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: You thought that was something you'd not do.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: You thought that was a huge thing.
• 6:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose so, and then you were in Richmond which was the way I came here to be in.
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a really good area.
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: I had a huge range of well, mostly women who had the kind of time and money to come and see me.
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: So I saw a lot of young career women, a lot of mums and then a lot of people who were sort of retired and living a more leisurely life.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was a great location.
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  Speaker 3: It was very easily accessible to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah rich pickings.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: How did you scale your business at that point?
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: Because it was really I was saying, I think it was really fascinating, I mean, I mean you know the Facebook page, it was very basic, you know, yeah so I did.
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: I know I did a website and I had a Facebook page, but I think mostly because when you train with Colour Me Beautiful and when you're one of their consultants you appear on a directory of consultants.
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: So I think initially people were finding me through the Colour Me Beautiful website.
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: It was very quickly kind of snowballed through word of mouth.
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: There's one of those businesses where once people have had their colours done, then they talk about it and they would then come back with family or friends or they'd buy a vouch for somebody and then things would pick up that way.
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: And also I used to do quite a lot of parties and workshops and there you'd get a group of women at a time so you might see them for quite you know, you've had a party, you're only giving out quite a small amount of information and you're wetting their appetite to come back for something else.
• 8:18
  Speaker 3: So I think doing those also worked in my favour as well.
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: I mean do you?
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: Know what it's such a good thing to have your Colour Me Beautiful done.
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  Speaker 2: I always look at it and I always can tell.
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: You can tell if I'm like you know what?
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: I'm a Facebooker.
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: I always think that woman had her Colour Me Beautiful done because she was really good.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: She's wearing just the right shade or whatever you can really tell.
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: I always make a point of saying to those people as well, you look great in that.
• 8:45
  Speaker 3: I think people always like to hear it, don't they?
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we're going to talk more about your business, but I mean, what do you think is the impact of having your Colour Me Beautiful done just as an individual?
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's completely life changing and I've definitely found it that, yeah, for me, I think the main thing is is made shopping and getting dressed and having a wardrobe of clothes that kind of work together much easier.
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: When you go into a shop or even on a website nowadays, the first thing you notice about clothes is the Colour, the easiest thing to pick out.
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: When you know your Colours, you can ignore sort of whatever is not your Colour and just hone in on what is your Colour.
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: So it makes shopping a lot less stressful, makes picking out your outfit in the morning a lot less stressful, because you've got things that go together, because your Palo of Colours should really all work together, and then once you're wearing your clothes, you so wearing your colours will make you look younger, healthier, more well-groomed, well-polished and make you feel good about yourself.
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: You will then get compliments, which in turn, makes you feel even better about yourself and overall it's just a really positive, life-enhancing experience.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: I think I love it and you are.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: It saved me as well.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: Like I said, it saved me time.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: You just ignore.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: You go into a shop and you ignore, because that's what we're trying to get.
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: Don't you try the colours?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, my colours are not beige, so I would ignore all the details.
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  Speaker 3: You probably don't even see those anymore.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: No, and then you just stop honing and then obviously I don't think you did the style training as well body shape, which is something more, and that again is brilliant.
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: And I think you have that done again, because the things I had to do and I've got to wait, which obviously hasn't doubled up my confidence, but actually coming to something like you, that's just the opposite of confidence.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: You should come out, don't you?
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: You feel like you're in dollars.
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you find out how to emphasise everything that you love about yourself and kind of take attention away from those things that you might not feel so good about.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: Do you see in your business that you've seen 400 clients in three years, which is amazing?
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: You said business.
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  Speaker 2: When did you then leave full-time employment?
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: At what point?
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: So I think it was a couple of years in.
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: There was one thing I started to do at work which was, I remember, asked if I could start working at 7am and finish early, just so I had a bit more time in the evenings, either to see people or just to get on with a bit of admin and promotion and things.
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: And then job came up in the hospital that I was working as a project manager and it was three days a week and by that point I felt I had a steady enough stream of business to be able to reduce my hours in my main job and have a bit more time to actually focus on Sheik Bahshala.
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: So I did that job then I think it was about a year, and then I felt pregnant.
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: So up until my maternity leave, I was then in Sheik Bahshala and my part-time project manager job and then, once I had my son in 2014, I left my NHS job.
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: We moved out of London to a fleet in Hampshire and I had a bit of maternity leave.
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I had a long maternity leave from my main job and I was just doing very part-time colour me beautiful for probably about a year and then I really started to try and push things a bit in my new location.
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: Well, sheik Bahshala, yes.
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: Then obviously you must have thought at that point you know life was set up really and you don't.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: You know you can achieve what you want to achieve.
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: You get out of the business.
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  Speaker 2: It was provided you with an income, flexible work.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: You can work around with your son and then talk us through.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: Then what happened next?
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: So we'd been living in flee for about a year and Ben was, I think, just coming up to two and I was very busy all the time, either looking after him or working or just, you know, being running the household, and didn't have much time to myself then, wouldn't.
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: It was my birthday.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: My husband and I had gone out for a meal ourselves, which was, you know, completely unheard of.
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: At that point I hadn't been feeling good.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: I'd had a really stiff neck, I hadn't been sleeping, and I went off to the loo while we were in this Indian restaurant and I was sort of massaging my neck a bit because it felt so stiff and I realised there was a lump in my neck and my blood just ran cold.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: It was just so.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: I just knew there was something very wrong, and so I booked a GP appointment, went to see him and he also looked quite worried and then said he was referring me for an urgent scan.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: At that period of waiting for the scan and waiting to see what it was was just one of the worst periods of my life.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: But I had to scan.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: It looked suspicious and they then referred me for a biopsy to see what this thing was.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: They could see, there were lots of lumps in my neck at that point.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: I was in a lot of pain, I was very tired, I was having nice sweats, all these things which I kind of probably hadn't really noticed because I was just so.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: You were crazy, weren't you?
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: And I wasn't new mum as well, and I wasn't getting much sleep.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: So I suppose I just put it down down to all that and anyway, I had the biopsy.
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: I went for the biopsy that day I found I was pregnant again and a couple of weeks later we found out it was Hodgkin's lymphoma, which is a type of blood cancer.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: But Toda was very curable and after a bit of humming and oaring I was told it was likely to be safe to have chemo while pregnant, that it wouldn't, for chemo it wouldn't pass through to the baby, but I wouldn't need to wait until I was in the second trimester.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: So I had this kind of agonising first trimester knowing that I had cancer and not having treatment and just waiting desperately to start.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Oh right, they'd still have no talk about.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Was there any talk about whether you had continued the pregnancy?
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: There was.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: There was a couple of days between the diagnosis and actually seeing who was then going to be my consultant, where we knew I was pregnant, we knew I had cancer and the two things didn't really seem to me like they were going to be compatible.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: And then I saw my oncologist and she said there's good evidence to say that you can have the chemo.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: It's going to be okay to wait a little bit because it doesn't look to be very aggressive.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: There's good evidence that it's not going to do any harm to your baby and you should be able to do chemo and then have the baby and everything should be okay.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Wow, I know you were involved as well.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Is it a charity when they start?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I've seen you post a little bit.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a lovely charity that supports cancer patients who are pregnant or who are within one year of having had a baby.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: They're the only charities that support mums in that situation.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they have a forum and there's a surprisingly sadly quite a lot of people there.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: It happens to you, I mean it's rare but it does happen.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: So there's a nice support group and they offer advice on kind of claiming benefits.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: They offer you can apply for grants through them as well and, yeah, they were a real support.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: You gave up.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Did you give up work at this point?
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I think I did see a few people, because I was actually feeling well, kind of not that bad at that point, I think.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Once I started chemo yeah, I stopped, and at that point I didn't realise there was going to be another six or seven years until I actually was able to start my business again.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: So I'd been told that I'd have chemo throughout my pregnancy.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: They then expected that to cure me.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: So I was due to finish at around the time that the baby was due and that should have been the end of it, but it wasn't.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so you did the chemo.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: What was it like going through the chemo?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: And if anyone else was going through chemo you know, or I've taken chemo what was it like?
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: So the chemo was every two weeks.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: So I'd spend a day at the hospital every two weeks and then it would be a good few days to recover.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I was lucky I didn't have really awful side effects from that chemo.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: But I was also contending with the pregnancy so I was tired.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: My mum and dad came up every other week when I was having the chemo to help out, because I didn't have I think I'd been in nursery one day a week and my husband was working full time so I was kind of pregnant having chemo looking after him.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: So every other week I had my parents there to help out, which was amazing and much needed.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: So I didn't feel that tired, I was just very, very tired.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: But then the effects built up cumulatively so towards the end of the pregnancy as I was getting more heavily pregnant and it had more and more chemo.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I was feeling quite unwell by that point and they induced the baby about three or four weeks early because my liver was struggling a bit and they sort of needed to get her out then so that I could recover a bit.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: But I'd also had a horrible feeling that chemo wasn't doing what it was meant to.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I hadn't been able to have the normal scans that people would have to check whether I was working because of the pregnancy.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: So I kind of knew in the bottom of my heart that it hadn't worked and I knew that I was going to have to have a scan after I'd had the baby and I knew it probably wasn't going to be good news.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I was really stressful a couple of months as we reached the end.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: So you had your pain?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Was it a normal birth?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: At that point I was very busy.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would have loved to have a caesarean.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I had a really awful birth with my son and, yeah, I was kind of dreading having to do it again.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I think you must have been absolutely knackered at that point really un-timed and I know caesarean is not an easy option, but I'd had a lot of infections and sayings after having my son.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Anyway, they didn't want to do caesarean because they felt it would put me at a higher risk of a birth infection to scar and everything and I was immunosuppressed by that point.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: So they felt it was better to induce me and have the baby naturally.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: No one felt like after six months of chemo.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: You must have thought I'd been hit by a box.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to put it mildly, and then only a few days, because she came early, I hadn't actually finished the course of chemo by the time she came.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So a few days after having my little girl, I then had to have more chemo.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it wasn't really.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: She was healthy when she played.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: She was absolutely.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Did chemo have not affected her?
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: No, it hadn't.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: She was absolutely perfect, yeah, really healthy, and, yeah, we couldn't believe our luck.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Really, we had this lovely little daughter at the end of all that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: So you went to your more chemo after she was born.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I had to scan Did you breastfeed, going to chemo?
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: No, no, that was yeah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: So that was one of the things.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: So because chemo Even if I had finished chemo by that point, because it was all still in my system they told me I couldn't breastfeed.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: So they gave me a job to stop my milk coming in and we just bottled bread straight away.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: That was okay.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Actually I didn't love.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I did breastfeed Ben, but I didn't love her.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: So bottle feeding may have been something that we would have done anyway, but I know for some people, you know, that's a really big thing and an additional trauma.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: But for me at that point I just thought it was a good thing really, because if my husband and other family members get pitching with the feeding which I wasn't really up to by that point, so you went for more chemo after she was born and then after scan.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Then so then a couple of weeks after that I had to scan and then I had to wait for the results.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was bad news.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: So I think they said I'd had a mixed response.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: So some of the so lymphoma it doesn't sort of come as born chemo.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: It tends to be quite spread out because it's in your blood so it can kind of pop up anywhere.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Some of the lumps had gone, but then there were new ones and they're in different places and I was in a lot of pain and I wasn't feeling good at all by that point.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: So they said we're going to have to give you a new type of chemo and then you're going to have to have a stem cell.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: We need to get you into remission and then you're going to have to have a stem cell transplant, which is a way of reprogramming your immune system to fight the cancer and to stop it coming back.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: So then when she was about six weeks old, I had to go into hospital and start having this much more heavy duty chemo.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: So I'd been for about five, six days at a time, hooked up to a drip 24-7, so I couldn't even have a shower or anything, and that was much more intense and obviously I wasn't.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Ben were able to come and see me, but I was mostly separated from her and other people had to step in and look after the kids.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: That part was tough.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Oh for you, what an awful time.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really tough For you.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you feel like you went through some of the pain?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: It was just awful.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: It was terrible.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: It was such a mix of things and it was very difficult to bond with her as well because I was just kind of trying to manage things hour by hour.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Really I couldn't be ahead to a future that we might have together because I was just trying to get through the next day.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Really I wasn't doing all those night feeds which I think kind of bond you to your baby, don't they?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I thought to myself is that time that you were there was there, like you know, even there looking into her eyes.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just didn't really have that, so it took a lot longer than I did with Ben to really develop that relationship.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, there was all sorts of you know, chemo makes you feel very funny physically and mentally.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Then being stuck in a hospital for days on end, mostly on my own, and then the hormones, everything it was just a really horrible mix.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can only imagine what it's like.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for you, what an awful, awful thing you know for you and your family.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really strange talking about it now, because when I listen to myself saying it, it's just I do think how on earth did we do that?
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, how did you get through it?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're very lucky that my husband's company he's an accountant and he was working for GlaxoSmithGline and they had a really good paternal well, maternity strike, paternity leave policy where he had six months full pay, which was just thank goodness for that, because I don't know what we would have done otherwise.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: And then we have two sets of grandparents, who are not on the doorstep, but they were about an hour away each, so they were really, really hands-on.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Both of us were retired, thankfully.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: We had good friends.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: You know, really, my sister was amazing.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: She didn't have children at the time, so she was also able to be quite hands-on with things.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: We had a really really good support network.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: You were in hospital for another five, six months.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: So from then on, I mean things just went from bad to worse really, because you know I got it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: So basically, I had to have lots of different types of chemo and none of them were working.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: What other work did they ever say, while they didn't work on the end?
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I just so.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: They did think maybe I had something to do with the way my immune system had been affected by the pregnancy.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: So can't you make an?
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Only do so much?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And then it relies on your immune system being able to kind of mop up any strabis of cancer.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: And because your immune system becomes suppressed while you're pregnant, so that you don't, your body doesn't reject the baby, they felt that maybe it wasn't quite doing its job in the way that it should have been and that it didn't really get a chance to recover.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: So it might have been that it might have just been.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: You know, for some reason my cancer didn't behave, in that they expected to.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I had loads of different types of chemo and none of it worked.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: And you must have gotten more and more.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, things were getting quite, you know, desperate really.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: And then I had some radiotherapy and that did work.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Then I was due to go in for a stem cell transplant.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: But then, because of all the treatment, my immune system was getting worse and worse and I just had infection after infection and it wasn't well enough to have the transplant, because you have to be strong to be able to tolerate that.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: What is a stem cell transplant?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: So it's basically what they do is they go into hospital.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: You have kind of the strongest chemo for their risk that completely obliterates your own immune system.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: So you're in isolation.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: They give you this chemo for the course of about seven days and then, once your immune system is at zero so they'll be testing it and all your blood counts kind of have to go to zero and then you get an infusion of cells from a donor, an anonymous donor who's been matched to you, who has the same tissue type as you.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: So you have this infusion and the donor's immune system becomes your immune system and it is capable of recognizing cancer cells, which your immune system hasn't been able to do.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: But it's a real process and it takes a long time for the donor's immune system to establish itself.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: How long does it take?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: It can be all different amounts of time, but I was in hospital for nine weeks while that process took place and even then, coming out of hospital, I had to be very careful for a very long time.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I couldn't mix with people, I couldn't get to the supermarket, I had to wear a mask all the time before masks were even a thing and it was really difficult with two young children because we couldn't keep them isolated.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: So they were a risk to me, but it was a risk that we couldn't really do anything about.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: You were almost at that point having the stem cell transplant.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was too unwell.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Then the cancer came back.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I ended up having to have more treatment.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: So it was a really long time before I could actually have the stem cell transplant.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: But then I did have it and then very soon afterwards I relapsed.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: So we're talking, I think, for about sort of two and a half years after my original diagnosis.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I'd been through all this treatment and things were still not good.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Somehow I'd managed to kind of cling on to my life, but things were just getting more and more hopeless.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: So it's a really long story and there's lots of ups and downs.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: But I had more treatment, I did get into remission, things were starting to go a bit better and then, just before COVID, I had a really nasty infection and I was taken into hospital.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: And well, basically I was taken in.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I remember being put on oxygen.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: The next thing I knew I'd woken up.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I had all these tubes attached to me and I'd been in a coma for three weeks.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, look at that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It's a really, really really that's crazy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: And they think now that I've had a fungal type of pneumonia and they think I'd also had COVID, but it was before.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Covid was supposedly in the country, so I'd been in intensive care on a ventilator for three weeks.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I thought I wasn't going to make it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: How about your family?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was terrible for them.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: And then when I woke up I couldn't do anything.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I'd lost all my muscles.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I couldn't swallow.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I had to learn to swallow again, to talk.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: So I was on a, I had a drug use to me, so I couldn't talk.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's why my voice is still still not right.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I couldn't walk, I couldn't.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I'd very slowly learn to walk, talk, eat, wait, drink.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: You're a survivor.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: You've got your body has been absolutely shattered and, like you're still here talking to me, I mean it's just, it's incredible.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: What was the time?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you must have touched your mind at a lot of points that you weren't going to make one.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I always tried to.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: There's something in you that until you experience it, you can't imagine how you would face that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: But there was something in you where you get knocked back but then you rally and you just look for that tiny bit of hope, however small it may be, and you cling onto it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: And you just have to cling on to it for dear life.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: And somehow I was lucky enough to what happened after I'd been in intensive care.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: It was then locked down and there'd been a lot of, they'd advised me to say.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Basically, it was locked down as I was discharged from intensive care.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: So they advised me to go and live with my parents.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: They said, don't, you can't be around your children, it's too risky.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So I lived with my parents for four months and that was what gave me the chance to actually fully recover, was not as much as it was horrible not being with my family.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: It gave me proper chance to rest because when I was at home with the children around, even when I was trying to rest, I couldn't switch off because I could always hear them.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I always wanted to be involved.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't until sort of only being around my parents and having them looking after me, not really being able to go anywhere or do anything.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I think that was what called me better and I was in remission by that point and I think that kind of block of four months was just a really good yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Really enabled me to recuperate and was.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know what would have happened if I'd come straight back home, so I don't know if I'd have got better.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Were you remission at that point and have the cancer come back?
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: No, so since then that was nearly four years ago now that I went into hospital with the intensive care infection and since then I've been in remission.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: So I've had a really good long skin now.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: So it's not to say that I haven't had quite a few health problems since then, because having had that much treatment it does take a toll on your body.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: So I have got long-term chronic conditions that I manage.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I'm in a lot of different medications and I'm still immunosuppressed, but essentially I would say I'm able to live a relatively normal life.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Now that was such a good one.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Do you see how likely the cancer is to your soft-gauge cell in case of cancer?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I don't have scans anymore.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I have fairly regular appointments.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: The type of cancer I had and because it came back a lot of times, I relapsed a lot of times I'm very familiar with how it feels when it's there.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: So it's a type of cancer.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Because it's in your blood, it tends to affect your whole body.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: So it's not just a kind of random lump that you can't feel or you don't know is there.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: You get sweats, you get temperatures, you feel really tired, you feel not yourself.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: So I'm fairly confident that if it came back, I would know about it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I have regular blood tests as well, which is also a good way to keep an eye on some things.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about having that scan vailage?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: You know and I have that, but not today.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you did that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: But you're, like you know, going to a surgery.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: How do you deal with that scan, vailage and now these blood tests and waiting for those results?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not explaining the lies.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: What's your ways?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: the scan.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Anxiety is just like nothing else you've ever experienced.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: It's impossible to put an end to words and I can't even say so.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I did deal with it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: You have no other option.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: You just have to carry on, I suppose.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: But it's the worst type of anxiety you can imagine.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Your entire life is resting on the results.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: If this scan and you know once you've had the scan, you know the answer is there somewhere in black and white and you're just waiting for someone to relay it to you and it doesn't necessarily happen that quickly you can be waiting a couple of weeks for the results, and that's even if you get community values.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: You read something into everything.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: If you don't get the results for a while, is it because it's looking very complicated and they've had to consult lots of experts, or they're trying to work out what and how to do next, or is it because they don't need to contact you because everything's fine, you will reach something into?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Whatever happens and it is absolutely agonising for you and your whole family is awful.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: The only thing you can do is just try and carry on and just distract yourself.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: It does give good perspective now where, if I'm nervous about something like a little bit nervous about coming on to speak to you today, you think back to sitting in a waiting room waiting to know whether your scan results are good or bad.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: It certainly gives you some perspective on things you might have been nervous about before.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, we did project.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: You were saying that.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I'll try and tell you a bit.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You wrote a book, didn't you?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I think it was called how to Live when you Couldn't Be Dead.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: It sounded like a lot of that period, you know, with a bit.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Like you know, there was a lot so much thoughts about how did you live during that period, particularly maybe on the times that you weren't at hospital.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Because it was over such a long period it was like five or six years really that I've had treatment for and that life hasn't been normal.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: It kind of did become normal and we just had to I don't know just do things when we could.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Life was very unpredictable, so you could be called into hospital any time really.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: So I'd gone from being somebody who loved to plan everything to have all my weekends planned out months in advance.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: I was always very strain if things didn't go to plan and suddenly I was completely out the mercy of you know, whatever the hospital wanted me to do, I had to do it, and that could be a very short notice.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: It could be because my health had taken its hand for the worse and suddenly I'd have to go into hospital.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I don't really know.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I think we just we did have, you know, little holidays.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask did you manage to go on holiday on not too much of a?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Very few local holidays.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I went abroad this year for the first time in eight years so we were kind of doing we might go and stay with my parents, or we had a holiday from a nice charity where they've got a mobile home by the sea.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: We went to stay there for a week.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Things like that were easy because I was always nervous to go too far from the hospital in case something happened.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: We did centre parks for a few days but I was for a bit on edge, to be honest, if I was not at home.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: But we were trying to see friends.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: We spent a lot of time with our families and we did have to just find a way of keeping things, kind of Given the kids a bit of a routine.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: We had a nanny for a period of a couple of years when I was in hospital a lot, I think, for Kezi, our daughter's first three years of life.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I was in hospital for half of this, so we really needed a lot of extra help.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: What's your relationship with her now?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: She obviously mentioned it was difficult to bond with her initially because you were on a lot of.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: What's it like now?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: There's completely normal mum and daughter relationship.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Now we had a lovely year when I was starting to get better, things were starting to get back to normal from lockdown, and she had another year before she started school.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: So we had a year where we didn't have a nanny.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: She was in preschool, I think, three mornings a week and the rest of the time I was looking after her and I think that really sort of helped to cement our bond.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything now where you'd think that would go off to an Augusta.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: She just turned seven and they both are the complete apples of my eye.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I adore them both and I really appreciate being able to do the school runs, because there was a long time where I couldn't do anything like that and I'd be looking out the window waving them off, seeing other people go off on the school run, and that was just.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: My absolute dream was to be able to do that with them, and I still love doing it now.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: So how do you know that?
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I mean your perspective on life has to change so much?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: So what is your perspective on, like you know, nannies that you don't expect?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's more things like yeah that's definitely.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: You know, I used to be a real warrior.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: I would worry about everything ridiculous things now, I see.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And then it was like the worst thing that I hadn't even ever imagined happened, and it was almost as though you would think that the thought could make my anxiety much worse.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: But in a way it kind of freed me because it felt like the worst thing had happened.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I'd never predicted it, I couldn't have done anything to stop it, and when it did happen, as terrible as it was, I did find a way through it and I did manage my life day to day and I did come out of the other side of it eventually.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: So that's not to say you know now that life has become a lot more normal again, you do start to find little anxieties creeping in over things that are small.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: But can you take a step back and think to myself?
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: You know remember what things were like and how desperate you would have been to know that you'd be managing a tantrum about bending his homework or, you know, feeling frustrated about them not getting ready in the mornings.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: You know, in the moment sometimes, yes, there's still stressful, but I can take a step back and realise how lucky I am.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: So, obviously, launching your business.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You've done that fairly recently, so how's that been and how are you thinking about it?
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: So up until this year I just really hadn't felt able to even really think about it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I've just been too tired and just I still have a lot of appointments and things and trying to manage all that, I just couldn't really contemplate having a job.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: But then something changed this year.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure what it was, but I suddenly felt like I would actually quite like to be doing something for me.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: There's a way from being a mum and a way from being a patient which has always defined me over the last very long period.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: And initially my mum is a Colour Me Beautiful consultant.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: She has a business and she's done bending really well with it over the past year and Air Sport has so much joy and you know it gives.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: She's 70, now nearly 70.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Okay in trouble, and she's like a spring chicken because her job gives her such a boost, it energises her, and I felt like I think I need a bit of that.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: And initially I felt like I was putting up obstacles, the idea of kind of, oh my goodness, I'm going to have to do a website, I'm going to have to work on my pricing and all of those things.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: But then, when it came to the idea of actually doing consultations.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I felt like I can still do that.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I feel like I can get back to that tomorrow and I'd be fine.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: So I kind of put the idea of all those how many jobs I'd have to do to one side and just thought what do I actually need to do to start?
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Well, I need to get all my kits out and go through that and sort it out.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I need to somehow put myself out there.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: I still had my Facebook page, which had been sort of dead for the last, however, many years, but I thought I could use that as a starting point because I've got a lot of old clients on there.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I know my newer friends will support me with that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: So I got my kit out, got myself sorted and then put on my Facebook page and I was going to very slowly start to see a few clients.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: And I'd had a few friends there to express an interest and suddenly I did have a few bookings.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: So I just started to see a few friends and then, a few weeks in, I thought I did do my own website before.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sure I could kind of throttle something up.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: So yeah, then just in my spare time I just signed a website and things kind of took off from there.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: So I'm still only doing, I'm only working very part-time, but I've seen quite a few people now have done a few workshops and just really taken things one step at a time.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: But it's been lovely to get back to it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I'm actually giving you another identity with fun, with that mom patient and maybe with your dad.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, another identity and another thing to focus on.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Do you think it helps, because I really do have consultations with clients.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: And actually I'll be honest, I probably wasn't always the best person, so I wasn't maybe the most sensitive.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe at that point I had years of people coming to me and they were like, oh, I had an identity.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't really get it and I think I'll get it now and I'm going to do with added layer, your cancer treatment, whether you are even more empathetic at that point when you're gone wise.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Definitely it's not just the cancer.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I haven't actually seen any cancer patients or anything since I've come back but yeah, it's definitely made me more sensitive to just different.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: The whole going through cancer has made me I think people have told because they've seen that I've been in a tricky situation people have become much more open and I've found things out talking to friends and other people, difficult things that other people have been through that you don't necessarily know about.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: But it's made me realise that everybody has their challenges and their difficulties.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Nobody particularly when you get to your 40s, nobody has gone through life unscathed.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: So it's made me more sensitive to that.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Also, becoming a mum, I've realised how that does just take over your whole life and your identity and how you lose that time to think about yourself and you change.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: But also things like my cancer treatment has put me through an early menopause and put me through not being able to work.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: So there's all sorts of aspects of life that has educated me on and also the effect that it had on my appearance.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: As I went through that journey I lost my hair twice I have been through.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: When I came out of an intensive care exercise six and I really struggled suddenly because I'd always been a good size 12, 14.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I was suddenly a size six and the challenge of trying to dress for that size and then suddenly I'd balloon to a size 16 within a matter of three or four months and I'd had the moon face from steroids and all sorts of different challenges with my physical appearance has made me a lot more aware of things other people might face.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think that Some people would say do you know what it goes to show?
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter what you look like and it's all about what's inside the count.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: And obviously now you're in selling.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, how do you feel about that?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: How important is it, do you think, to dress well or dress comfortably for you?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Talk to us again.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I think it's important that what's on the outside does justice to what you've got on the inside.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: So people do judge you by your appearance.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: So you wanted to reflect something about you.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: So when you come for a color and style consultation, we are trying to make the most of your look and we're trying to reflect a bit of your personality and trying to make it so that your appearance says something about you and says the right thing about you.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: And for me, you know, having been stuck in hospital with no air, no makeup, no eyebrows, standing in front of the mirror brushing my teeth, I would just feel horrible.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: The first thing I wanted to do when I came out of hospital was to put on a bit of makeup on something that I felt nice in, because it made me feel better about myself.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't about what other people thought I looked like, it was about me and feeling good about myself.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: So I liked how other people feel good about themselves.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: So how can people find you?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Where do you do consultations?
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: So it's interesting when you're in consultation.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: And then how can people find you in a clinic?
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: So I do my consultations at my home in Flee, but do you do parties, where I go out to other people's houses as well when it's a group?
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I have a website which is chicbycharlottecouk, and I'm on Instagram which is chic, underscore by underscore Charlotte, so I try to keep that quite up to date.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Lots of tips and a lot of before and afters which people always love to see, and I'm always quite surprised that my clients agree to it, but they always do so.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got lots of good examples of them there of before you can expect.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Well, do you know what?
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: If you've not had a full of done, I would literally say do it, religulate, transform your life.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good and you can live anywhere at nearly at Hampshire.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: If you're sorry at Hampshire, anywhere out east, then definitely get in touch with Charlotte Happy less.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, charlotte, for joining me today and sharing your story.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: It's been lovely to chat.
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