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Wemby Gets Ejected, the NBA Draft Lottery Gets Weird, Skip Bayless Returns to First Take | 05.11 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 2: fascinating NBA draft lottery in just a minute. But first,
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Speaker 2: I have to admit, I didn't think our boy Le
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Speaker 2: Slim had it in him.
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Speaker 3: And you're like, what is it? And the it is.
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Speaker 2: Well, I can't say he stole off on Nas Reed
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Speaker 2: because that gives an improper impression of what really happened.
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Speaker 3: But he did elbow him in the mouth.
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Speaker 2: And it's so.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 3: I want to tell you what was going on when
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Speaker 3: I was watching this.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: I was on the phone. And so I had the
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Speaker 2: television on mute as I was watching the game. And.
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Speaker 2: When I was looking up and seeing things, I saw
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Speaker 2: Nas Reid hit Victor in the face, right? And I
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Speaker 2: was like, huh, that's something. And, you know, I was
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Speaker 2: cutting Victor a measure of slack. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: slack's the right word, but the bottom line is, for
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Speaker 2: most people, when they intentionally elbow somebody in.
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Speaker 3: The mouth, they got to get their elbows up.
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Speaker 2: And then they do the elbow swing.
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Speaker 3: From up there, right? I'm looking at it like, okay, Victor,
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Speaker 3: eight feet tall.
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Speaker 2: He saw himself as just trying to clear out some space,
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Speaker 2: except these dudes is way smaller.
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Speaker 3: Maybe he ain't know what was going on.
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Speaker 2: Brother, they sent me that video where you got Victor
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Speaker 2: throwing that elbow and then he hit Nas Reed right
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Speaker 2: in the grill.
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Speaker 3: And then you look up and they zoom in on
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Speaker 3: Dylan Harper. And Dylan Harper is like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: He did this on purpose. There was more plausible deniability
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Speaker 2: in that time that Ron Artest elbowed James Harden in
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Speaker 2: the mouth than there was when Victor elbowed Nas Reed, right?
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Speaker 3: There was more.
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Speaker 2: And I also want to make this note. In fairness
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Speaker 2: to Nas Reed, who took that licking and kept on ticking,
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Speaker 2: I think we have a tendency to talk about Victor
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Speaker 2: and like, oh boy, he's so skinny. He's so skinny.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And he's also like diesel.
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Speaker 2: Like, right.
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Speaker 3: It's very clear to me. That's a strong motherfucker right there.
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Speaker 2: Like, like that combined with the leverage of that elbow
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Speaker 2: swinging around.
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Speaker 4: I mean, like whether or not he's strong, the amount
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Speaker 4: of limb that comes at you, like just, you know,
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Speaker 4: basic physics is, how his arm has to travel when
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Speaker 4: it goes across his body.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he kept it close too. And look, that
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Speaker 2: look on his face, he had had enough and he
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Speaker 2: decided that one way or another, he was going to
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Speaker 2: clear them out and he cleared Nas Reid out.
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Speaker 3: And the way you really.
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Speaker 2: Know he did it on purpose is I have never
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Speaker 2: seen anybody offer less argument over a flagrant to- Less emotion.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just like, I'm ejected. All right. See
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Speaker 3: you guys later. And just walked in a tunnel.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you decided that you were going to send a
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Speaker 2: message to the league.
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Speaker 3: In game four, a very important, very important game.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember me and Shannon got a scale
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Speaker 3: on these things.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: So it was not a pivotal.
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Speaker 2: Pivotal is game five. It was not a do or die.
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Speaker 2: Nobody already had three. Try to remember what the term is.
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Speaker 4: Must win one of them.
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Speaker 2: It was a must win for Minnesota. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: It was a must win for Minnesota, but I'm trying
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Speaker 2: to remember what.
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Speaker 3: They were going for was the decisive advantage, right?
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Speaker 2: Like that's what.
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Speaker 3: They were going for, but they had it.
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Speaker 2: And that's a game that even without Victor, they should
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Speaker 2: have won, but absolutely with him. I think they're probably
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Speaker 2: going to win. And the truth is you can't do
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Speaker 2: that in the situation that he's in.
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Speaker 3: You cost your squad a.
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Speaker 2: Game in a situation where look, man, I've had people
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Speaker 2: say to me that I've seen in the YouTube comments, right?
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Speaker 3: Where they're like, oh, so the Lakers are winning. You
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Speaker 3: ain't got nothing to say about LeBron.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Lakers over there getting their asses kicked and
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Speaker 2: I ain't got nothing to say about them either. OK,
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Speaker 2: there's just not that much interesting going on with them.
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Speaker 3: At this point.
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Speaker 4: We'll get to LeBron in July.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: The Thunder are going to get them up out of there.
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Speaker 2: And then the Thunder's going to go home and they're
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Speaker 2: going to be posted up and they're going to be resting.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know what they do to practice. Apparently
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Speaker 2: they go put on one pieces and wrestle because that's
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Speaker 2: the kind of basketball they.
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Speaker 3: Decide they're going to play.
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Speaker 1: You know what?
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Speaker 3: They don't wrestle. They wrestle.
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Speaker 2: That's what they're going to do. They're going to go
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Speaker 2: out there and they're going to paint their faces and
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Speaker 2: they're going to get all greasy and shit.
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Speaker 3: And on one hand, they're going to practice how to
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Speaker 3: do holds. And on the other hand, they're going to
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Speaker 3: practice how to sell it.
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Speaker 5: Right?
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Speaker 3: You know, that's what they're going to do.
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Speaker 2: But all I'm saying is They're going to get to
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Speaker 2: go over there and they're going to rest up. And
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Speaker 2: chances are that Jalen Williams is going to be back
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Speaker 2: after having a month of resting up where the hardest
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Speaker 2: decision that he's had to make is which ridiculous get
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Speaker 2: up he's going to wear on the sideline. Boy, let
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Speaker 2: me tell you something right now.
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Speaker 3: And I get this. I'm 45 years old.
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Speaker 2: And this is this is something I think everybody needs
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Speaker 2: to understand that I feel personally about life and everything else.
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Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to be on the same shit as
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Speaker 2: these kids.
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Speaker 1: Of course.
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Speaker 2: Right. I'm supposed to look at what they wear and
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Speaker 2: think it's ridiculous. That's that's what I'm supposed to think. Man,
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Speaker 2: I saw that boy, Jalen Williams, on the sideline with
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Speaker 2: a pink jacket that looked like a bit of a
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Speaker 2: crop top.
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Speaker 3: And I think I saw he had a star on
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Speaker 3: his face.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, one of them dudes from the Spurs, one of
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Speaker 2: them last name, last name, Carter Bryant. That's that's that's.
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Speaker 3: What his name is.
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Speaker 2: Now, on another day, we talk about my thing with
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Speaker 2: black people giving their kids white people names.
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Speaker 3: And yes, last name, last name is white people names.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: And, you know, you're from the South South.
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Speaker 4: You know exactly what I'm talking about here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Right. Right.
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Speaker 2: Like when black people start being like, oh, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: give my kids white people names.
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Speaker 3: They'll get they'll get better jobs.
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Speaker 2: Nah, no, they won't.
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Speaker 1: No, they won't.
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Speaker 2: They're going to show up one day. But anyway, he
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Speaker 2: was on the ground during the game and his jersey
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Speaker 2: pulled to the side and that boy had multiple butterflies
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Speaker 2: tattooed on his back. And I said, what? Like it
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Speaker 2: wasn't in the middle of the low part of his back.
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Speaker 2: Hashtag IYKYK. However, it was still multiple butterflies on his back.
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, that dude that gave you that tattoo
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Speaker 2: was like, are you sure you want to do this?
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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know what the rest of it was, right?
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Speaker 3: I have no idea.
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Speaker 4: You just saw the butterflies.
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Speaker 2: I saw enough to have questions. We were talking about basketball.
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Speaker 2: Sorry about that. But yeah, Jalen Williams be over there
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Speaker 2: in them get-ups.
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? He going to be back
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Speaker 3: probably by the time they play.
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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, every game the Spurs play is another game
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Speaker 2: where something can go wrong, right? Every game you play
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Speaker 2: is a game where somebody might get hurt. Somebody might
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Speaker 2: get dinged up, whatever it is.
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Speaker 3: Every game.
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Speaker 2: My daddy always says about owning a house or just
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Speaker 2: everything in general. My daddy say everything you own is
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Speaker 2: a bill waiting to happen. Every game you play is
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Speaker 2: a bill waiting to happen. And they needed to hurry
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Speaker 2: up and be done with this. OK, it was bad enough.
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Speaker 2: They lost that game one in their own house. They
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Speaker 2: needed to hurry up and be done with this. And
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Speaker 2: part of why they're not done with this is because
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Speaker 2: Victor lost his cool and you can't do that. On
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Speaker 2: the other hand, I do respect the goonery of it. Like,
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Speaker 2: I really respect the fact that he was.
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Speaker 3: Like, no, I elbowed him in the head, and now
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Speaker 3: I'm going to go back and take a shower. Here
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Speaker 3: for it.
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Speaker 2: My question for the Spurs is, how y'all ain't got
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Speaker 2: no goon? How is there not one person on your
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Speaker 2: team whose job it is to goon?
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Speaker 4: Luke Cornett's not the goon?
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Speaker 3: He could be if he decided.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, in this NBA, anybody can be a goon.
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Speaker 2: Anybody can be a goon because nobody gonna fight.
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Speaker 6: Right?
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Speaker 2: Like, I feel like everybody in the NBA could basically
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Speaker 2: treat this like it's a new school. And you just
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Speaker 2: go find somebody to establish who you are out here
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Speaker 2: in these streets. But outside of the Detroit Pistons, it
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Speaker 2: don't seem like anybody got a goon out here.
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Speaker 3: And the Spurs clearly need a goon.
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Speaker 4: Is Lou Dort not a goon?
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Speaker 2: No, Lou Dort's a goon. Now, the problem with the
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Speaker 2: Thunder is, is that They don't have a goon because
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Speaker 2: they have an ethos of goonery, right? But yeah, Lou
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Speaker 2: Dort is the closest thing to an outright goon. I'll
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Speaker 2: put it to you like this. I think you know
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Speaker 2: that it's on the board that if you do something
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Speaker 2: to Shea, the one person that you really don't want
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Speaker 2: any problems with is the off-ball linebacker himself, Lou Dort.
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Speaker 2: Lou Dort might as well play football with a hand
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Speaker 2: in the dirt. Like that's his whole situation. He must
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Speaker 2: be terrible. Either he terrible at hockey or the white
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Speaker 2: people up there don't let us play. Because otherwise, I
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Speaker 2: don't understand how he out here playing basketball. I said
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Speaker 2: something once people got mad at me about this, and
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Speaker 2: I don't know why they misunderstood this.
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Speaker 3: If Lou Dort was from Mississippi, Lou Dort's in the NFL.
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Speaker 4: Oh, for sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, that's what it is.
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Speaker 4: Lou Dort is filling A-gaps.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
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Speaker 4: Or rushing the pass.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I don't know what Lou Dort actually does
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Speaker 2: in basketball other than goon.
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Speaker 3: That's it. But beef stew up there in Detroit.
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Speaker 2: They need one of those in San Antonio because all
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Speaker 2: anybody can do to stop this cat is to knock
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Speaker 2: him around.
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Speaker 3: That's the only option.
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Speaker 2: And he just got sick of it. It took Shaq
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Speaker 2: eight years, nine years before he tried something like this.
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Speaker 2: And that was when he took that swing at Brad
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Speaker 2: Miller that for the sake of all parties involved, it's
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Speaker 2: a good thing he did not connect because Shaq would
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Speaker 2: still be at Joliet right now. He would be behind
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Speaker 2: bars right now if he had connected on that punch
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Speaker 2: with Brad Miller. They'd have had to make Brad Miller,
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Speaker 2: the Bulls would have had to retire Brad Miller's jersey.
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Speaker 3: They might have even made him the logo.
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Speaker 2: If Shaq had connected that punch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That
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Speaker 2: would be the memorial to Brad Miller would be at
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Speaker 2: the United Senate. It would be a chalk outline on
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Speaker 2: the floor. Like imagine that they couldn't take it off.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't take the outline off the floor until they
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Speaker 2: had completed the investigation. They still playing games out there.
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Speaker 3: They got tape on the ground.
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Speaker 2: Brad Miller laying out on the ground, his head over here,
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Speaker 2: the rest of his body over there like that.
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Speaker 3: That's what it would have taken in order to do that.
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Speaker 2: But now you got everybody got to have a goon
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Speaker 2: like this is not a league that's supposed to be
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Speaker 2: completely and totally absent of goons.
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Speaker 3: He should not have to be his own goon.
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Speaker 2: Somebody else should have stepped up very much clearer and
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Speaker 2: been like, hey, hey, hey, we don't tolerate this. And
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Speaker 2: it's not like they don't follow this man.
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Speaker 3: It's not like they don't run behind this man, right?
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Speaker 3: It's not like they got an issue with him.
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Speaker 2: It's not like when he first got there, when they
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Speaker 2: had Cisco and them other haters that ain't even want
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Speaker 2: to throw oops to him.
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Speaker 3: Everybody seems to be on board, right?
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Speaker 2: How is nobody's job to go fight Nas Reed or
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Speaker 2: whoever it was for Victor? It doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 2: Somebody needs to be on the job. Like, it should.
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Speaker 3: Be some dreadhead brothers in the lobby.
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Speaker 2: They got a bunch of them dreadhead cats. Ain't none
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Speaker 2: of them. Castle, Vassal, ain't none of y'all.
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Speaker 3: It's Vassell, my bad.
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Speaker 4: I like Castle and Vassal.
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Speaker 2: How about we start calling them Cassell and Vassal? Just
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Speaker 2: throw people off, right? But somebody's supposed to be the problem.
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Speaker 2: He cannot do that for himself. That's where this NBA
12:01
Speaker 2: has gone to places that are just too far for me. Honestly,
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Speaker 2: if I'm the Spurs, I'd trade two first-round picks to
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Speaker 2: get Beef Stew down there. Can you imagine if they
12:09
Speaker 2: had Beef Stew? Dude, can you imagine the ovation to
12:12
Speaker 2: Beef Stew? We get every time, man, we need to
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Speaker 2: talk to my man, Bruce. I wonder, I got to
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Speaker 2: call Bruce. Find out what he thought about that.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure Bruce Bowen's got takes.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure he does.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure he has.
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Speaker 3: Positive.
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Speaker 4: Bruce might have taught him that move.
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Speaker 3: Nah, Bruce is a little more subtle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: That would be Bruce's frustration is he was too obvious
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Speaker 4: with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bruce would have taught him, now see what you
12:37
Speaker 2: got to do is just put your foot right there.
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Speaker 2: Not that far, not that far.
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Speaker 1: Just right.
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Speaker 3: See how your knee right there by the thigh bone? See, see, see.
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Speaker 2: Now Bruce is going to call me and start talking
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Speaker 2: about how he had to talk to his therapist about
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Speaker 2: me and what happened. Also in that game, as much
12:54
Speaker 2: as they used to say, dude, shout out to Anthony Edwards, man.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Was it 36 last night?
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Speaker 4: 36 on one leg.
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Speaker 2: 36 on one leg. He's going to the tunnel and
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Speaker 2: getting oxygen in between and everything else. I love that team, man.
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Speaker 2: They're not good enough to do enough. But I really, really,
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Speaker 2: really like them. And their whole get down and everything else.
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Speaker 2: They a squad full of dudes that go hard.
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Speaker 3: And Julius Randle.
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Speaker 2: And it is great to see what they're doing and
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Speaker 2: how they're doing it. But the bottom line is the
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Speaker 2: Spurs should have dispatched of them and be in here
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Speaker 2: resting and allowing us to rest. Because Ryan, we wrapping
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Speaker 2: shit up. We going to talk about some of this
13:35
Speaker 2: a little bit later, I suppose. The Knicks... Got him
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Speaker 2: up out of there. I am imagining that the Thunder
13:42
Speaker 2: going to get to Laker. It's going to be a,
13:43
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a, that was a one, two,
13:45
Speaker 2: three Cancun classic in Philadelphia, boy.
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Speaker 7: Oh man.
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Speaker 2: That was a, I, I, I didn't even bother to
13:51
Speaker 2: watch the game. I went to go see the Michael
13:52
Speaker 2: Jackson movie.
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Speaker 3: Cause I was just like, for what?
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And then I looked at the score during the movie
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Speaker 2: and I.
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Speaker 3: Was like, oh, they got a direct flight for Philly
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Speaker 3: to Cancun. I didn't know they had flights to Cancun
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Speaker 3: that late. But Dave's like, this motherfucker's like, yo, we
14:04
Speaker 3: got a flight to catch us up.
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Speaker 4: I mean, that was a 3.30 tip. They were trying
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Speaker 4: to make their 8 o'clock flight.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: They're like, hey, hey, hey, we got to go.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no. No media.
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Speaker 3: No media. Just box up my locker.
14:14
Speaker 2: Just send it to me. I don't even need to.
14:16
Speaker 2: I don't need to be back for that. I guess
14:18
Speaker 2: we're going to see what happens with the Cavs and
14:21
Speaker 2: the Pistons. The Pistons, we're going to see if they
14:22
Speaker 2: want to get them out of there. Jim Harden decided
14:24
Speaker 2: to show up and play a little bit, just enough basketball,
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Speaker 2: so we can say he played a little bit of
14:28
Speaker 2: basketball today. But now everybody's trying to get this out
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Speaker 2: of here so we can get ourselves a couple of
14:34
Speaker 2: nights to get ready for the conference finals where we
14:36
Speaker 2: only got one game per night.
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? We could all make 30 tips.
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Speaker 2: We could be crisp. We could be at our best.
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Speaker 2: But now Victor had to prove a point to somebody.
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Speaker 2: But I love that he did. All right, so they
14:56
Speaker 2: really be trying to make too much of the draft lottery.
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Speaker 2: Can I just go ahead and say that now? Like
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Speaker 2: back in the day, all we need is the draft
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Speaker 2: lottery back when it just looked like the Godfather scene
15:07
Speaker 2: at the train station where they was talking about selling dope. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Where they just go around and you get like Bruno Tattaglia.
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Speaker 2: Combing his hair and they just identify all the people
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Speaker 2: in the same scene in.
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Speaker 3: Godfather 2 in Cuba.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And they just went around and talked about everybody that
15:21
Speaker 2: was there.
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Speaker 3: That's all we need the lottery to be. It looked
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Speaker 3: like it was 15,000 people there. Like, what was this
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Speaker 3: huge audience?
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Speaker 4: Got all the players there.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I do like seeing the random folks, representatives from each team.
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Speaker 4: It's like, oh, Tayshaun Prince. I know he worked for
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Speaker 4: the Grizzlies.
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Speaker 3: So that I appreciate, right? And when they're like, hey,
15:42
Speaker 3: could you go sit there for us, John Wall?
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
15:45
Speaker 2: Hey, Khan, what you up to, bro? You doing anything?
15:48
Speaker 2: You doing anything for Mother's Day? Well, me and my mom, yeah, anyway,
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Speaker 2: we was just hoping if you could be a good
15:52
Speaker 2: luck charm, perhaps, and go with us.
15:54
Speaker 3: To the draft, right?
15:55
Speaker 2: But all those other people who were there, I get
15:58
Speaker 2: it in the sense that I guess it's an opportunity
16:02
Speaker 2: to introduce the audience to the players, but they're not hooping.
16:06
Speaker 2: They're just tall in suits. They could be anybody. out
16:10
Speaker 2: there you know and they get to play up and
16:13
Speaker 2: this this gets on my nerves too man you know
16:15
Speaker 2: this is really about the mothers no it's not it's
16:18
Speaker 2: mother's day but this ain't about them do you.
16:19
Speaker 4: Think that's where they want to be yeah.
16:22
Speaker 2: Great point great boy they ain't get no ain't no
16:25
Speaker 2: check today like this is this is some let me
16:28
Speaker 2: know like these pancakes still still raw in the middle Right,
16:34
Speaker 2: like all this is is flipping the pancake. Breakfast is
16:38
Speaker 2: not ready. Why are we here? But anyway, the lottery
16:43
Speaker 2: goes through. The Washington Wizards got the number one pick.
16:48
Speaker 2: The Utah Jazz are at number two. The Memphis Grizzlies
16:52
Speaker 2: were at number three. Number four was.
16:56
Speaker 3: Chicago Bulls.
16:57
Speaker 2: Chicago Bulls. And number five is the Los Angeles Clippers.
17:01
Speaker 8: Okay.
17:01
Speaker 2: Okay. The lottery did turn out to be interesting on
17:05
Speaker 2: a few levels, okay? Number one, John Wall, I don't
17:10
Speaker 2: know if you remember 30 years ago when the Sixers
17:13
Speaker 2: won the lottery and Pat Croce went and dapped up everybody.
17:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a little before my time.
17:18
Speaker 3: That was at the podium.
17:19
Speaker 2: I mean, Pat Croce was that guy, but Pat Croce
17:21
Speaker 2: could not have possibly been happier. John Wall did not
17:27
Speaker 2: seem to care a single solitary iota about about the
17:31
Speaker 2: fact that they had won this lottery in a draft
17:33
Speaker 2: that's got, in my estimation, three guys you'd love to
17:38
Speaker 2: have as the number one pick. That would be Debonza, A.J. Debonza,
17:44
Speaker 2: Darren Peterson, even with all the other stuff, right? I
17:47
Speaker 2: think you're still pretty happy to get Darren Peterson.
17:49
Speaker 3: And Caleb Wilson.
17:51
Speaker 2: No, I do not have Cam Boozer on that list.
17:55
Speaker 2: Cam Boozer looked like he had to work a little
17:57
Speaker 2: bit too hard to get his buckets in college. And
17:59
Speaker 2: I know I said this about Paolo Bancaro and people
18:02
Speaker 2: thought I was just hating. And yes, both those dudes
18:03
Speaker 2: went to Duke, but it should look easy when you're
18:06
Speaker 2: in college. It did not look easy with Cam Boozer
18:10
Speaker 2: in college. Like that's not, it's not a number one
18:13
Speaker 2: compared to those other guys. Those guys have the potential
18:16
Speaker 2: to be superstars. Cam Boozer will probably.
18:19
Speaker 3: Be an all-star.
18:20
Speaker 6: Right.
18:21
Speaker 3: But he's not. I don't see it with those guys.
18:24
Speaker 2: De Bonza is interesting to me because for those who
18:28
Speaker 2: have not been paying attention, he went to high school
18:31
Speaker 2: in Utah. He played for BYU because a gentleman named
18:36
Speaker 2: Ryan Smith got him to the school in Utah and
18:39
Speaker 2: then got him to BYU because it's the NIL world.
18:42
Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know what Ryan Smith does,
18:46
Speaker 2: he's the owner of the Utah Jazz. I don't get
18:49
Speaker 2: the feeling that he put in this level of investment
18:52
Speaker 2: just because he loved BYU that much. If you are
18:56
Speaker 2: the Wizards and you are sold on Debonza, who to
19:00
Speaker 2: me is the clear number one pick from what I've seen.
19:04
Speaker 2: If that's your guy, what would it take for you
19:08
Speaker 2: to move down to number two?
19:10
Speaker 3: Because Utah is going to go to the playoffs next year.
19:13
Speaker 3: They're not going to be bad.
19:14
Speaker 2: So you can't just be like, oh, give us your
19:16
Speaker 2: pick from next year. That's not going to work out. Like,
19:18
Speaker 2: it's going to work out where they got whatever, if
19:21
Speaker 2: you were to make this trade, right? You got DeBonsa,
19:24
Speaker 2: Walker Kessler, who everybody wants to have and everybody wants
19:28
Speaker 2: to trade for, but has been on these terrible teams.
19:30
Speaker 2: Now you'll get to actually be good at basketball and
19:32
Speaker 2: do things for a team that wants to be good
19:34
Speaker 2: at basketball.
19:35
Speaker 3: Jaron Jackson is on that roster.
19:37
Speaker 4: Ace Bailey.
19:38
Speaker 1: Ace Bailey.
19:39
Speaker 2: Keontae George, who's at a borderline all-star sort of place.
19:43
Speaker 2: What do you need to get back in order to
19:45
Speaker 2: make that move? Because I think you got a live
19:48
Speaker 2: one in Smith. and that you could, what's he willing
19:52
Speaker 2: to give up?
19:53
Speaker 3: What will you take? Because you're just not.
19:55
Speaker 2: Going to convince me that he's just going to be
19:56
Speaker 2: satisfied after all of this to not make a try
20:01
Speaker 2: at getting to Boston.
20:01
Speaker 4: Not make an offer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:04
Speaker 3: Something's got to happen there.
20:05
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, for the Wizards, I don't know what they're going
20:09
Speaker 2: to do ultimately with Anthony Davis and Trey Young. But
20:15
Speaker 2: those two guys went to Bonsa. That feels like a
20:16
Speaker 2: playoff team.
20:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a real NBA team.
20:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're an actual factual NBA team that will not
20:22
Speaker 2: win 50 games because I'm 45 years old and the
20:25
Speaker 2: Wizards haven't won 50 games in my life. I have
20:31
Speaker 2: been using that stat for nearly 20 years in this job,
20:36
Speaker 2: and it still hits like it did the first time.
20:39
Speaker 4: It's incredible.
20:40
Speaker 2: It just keeps happening. But something happened also in this
20:46
Speaker 2: lottery that was interesting, which is the Indiana Pacers made
20:52
Speaker 2: a trade for Ivica Zubats this year, who played for
20:58
Speaker 2: the Clippers.
21:01
Speaker 3: Big man, good player, okay? Here's what the haul now is, right?
21:06
Speaker 2: The trade. Evita Zubat and Kobe Brown went to the
21:09
Speaker 2: Clippers in return for Benedict Mathurin, who I thought was
21:13
Speaker 2: going to be a good player. Isaiah Jackson, the number
21:19
Speaker 2: five pick in the draft. There's a 2029 first round
21:24
Speaker 2: pick that's involved in this.
21:26
Speaker 3: And I think it might be another pick.
21:29
Speaker 2: Right. And so the thing with the pick was there
21:31
Speaker 2: was some protection scheme in play that if the pick
21:34
Speaker 2: was between five and nine and went to the Clippers,
21:37
Speaker 2: if it was in the ping pong or outside, it
21:40
Speaker 2: went to Indiana. OK.
21:43
Speaker 3: They lost.
21:43
Speaker 2: They're all snake eyes.
21:45
Speaker 3: The pick goes to the Clippers.
21:46
Speaker 2: Big win for them because you can still get a
21:48
Speaker 2: very good player at the number five pick in this
21:51
Speaker 2: draft that everybody did all the taking in the world for.
21:53
Speaker 3: Put a pin in the thought about all the taking
21:55
Speaker 3: in the world. But anyway, you still have this possibility.
21:59
Speaker 2: Kevin Pritchard, who used to be the GM in Portland
22:02
Speaker 2: and is now the GM in Indiana. He sent a
22:07
Speaker 2: tweet apologizing for making that trade. Apologizing for making that
22:16
Speaker 2: trade after the pick didn't go their way. And his
22:19
Speaker 2: explanation for why he apologized, or no, the explanation for
22:22
Speaker 2: why the trade. And Ryan, you tell him that if
22:27
Speaker 2: I'm lying, I'm flying. He just thought that they were, quote,
22:32
Speaker 2: do some luck, unquote. So, so we're clear. If you
22:38
Speaker 2: believe this explanation, he made that trade feeling certain that
22:42
Speaker 2: the Pacers were going to get to keep their pick.
22:45
Speaker 2: And the reason was they were due some good luck.
22:51
Speaker 4: To be clear, this is not reported. This is his
22:53
Speaker 4: words on the Twitter.
22:54
Speaker 2: Yes. He said, quote, do some luck, unquote. I would
23:03
Speaker 2: fire him today.
23:06
Speaker 3: That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life.
23:09
Speaker 2: And a couple weeks ago, somebody said to my face
23:12
Speaker 2: that the characters in The Wire didn't have no depth.
23:16
Speaker 2: I don't want you to think I say that every
23:18
Speaker 2: time I hear something that I think something's the dumbest
23:20
Speaker 2: shit in my life. No, there's a new champion. The
23:23
Speaker 2: new champion is Kevin Pritchard. He just thought that we
23:27
Speaker 2: would do some luck. And look, man, me and Ryan
23:30
Speaker 2: talked about this during the break. If he had said,
23:34
Speaker 2: I thought God was on our side, I'd have been
23:37
Speaker 2: more okay with that.
23:39
Speaker 3: And I'm going to tell you why.
23:41
Speaker 2: Because people don't think God is luck. He thinks God
23:45
Speaker 2: is real. If you say that, and maybe you just
23:48
Speaker 2: read the tea leaves wrong.
23:49
Speaker 3: Or whatever it was.
23:51
Speaker 2: Kevin Pritchard truly believed we're due was a strategy.
23:58
Speaker 4: That's 100%, you know, going all in because we're going
24:01
Speaker 4: to win this hand. Yes, yes.
24:03
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't lose nine hands in a row.
24:07
Speaker 1: Right.
24:08
Speaker 2: So put the rest of the money on this one.
24:10
Speaker 4: Exactly. We're due for good cards.
24:13
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
24:14
Speaker 3: He did that with, nah, man, when this happens and
24:17
Speaker 3: you lost, what do you say to the fans?
24:20
Speaker 2: Nothing.
24:21
Speaker 3: Nothing at all. We have nothing to talk about.
24:24
Speaker 2: If we had had a pick, we'd have something to
24:26
Speaker 2: talk about. We don't have a pick. We have nothing
24:29
Speaker 2: to talk about. I feel bad for him in this regard.
24:32
Speaker 2: People in Indiana had been figuring it out, boy. They
24:36
Speaker 2: had been like, hey, man, boy, we get that top
24:39
Speaker 2: four pick. Halliburton comes back. Our roster going to be loaded.
24:42
Speaker 2: We might have DeBonsa. We might have all these people.
24:45
Speaker 2: And they came back with nothing. Nothing but a handful
24:49
Speaker 2: of meat. That's all they came back with. That had
24:52
Speaker 2: to be terrible. Shout out to the league, though, because, man,
24:56
Speaker 2: We thought Oklahoma City, the way things had been going. Now,
24:59
Speaker 2: they'll just simply have a lottery pick, right? They have
25:02
Speaker 2: a dude named A.J. Mitchell, of whom I had never heard,
25:06
Speaker 2: who was a second-round pick, who had 24 points or
25:08
Speaker 2: something like that the other day. They out here finding
25:11
Speaker 2: dudes off the street, and they got a lottery pick.
25:15
Speaker 3: They're getting the stupid Sixers to give them Jared.
25:17
Speaker 2: McCain for a first-round pick they obviously don't need. And
25:21
Speaker 2: they got another first-round pick. That's... That's what we got.
25:28
Speaker 2: And we also got out of this lottery your explanation
25:30
Speaker 2: for why it is that the league wanted to flatten
25:34
Speaker 2: the lottery odds and all this stuff. Because through the years,
25:37
Speaker 2: tanking hadn't really been effective for anybody. Hadn't really gotten
25:41
Speaker 2: anybody what they were looking for. And this year, all
25:46
Speaker 2: the teams that we saw shamelessly tank. The ones we
25:50
Speaker 2: saw tank probably the most shamelessly. Washington, Utah, Memphis. One, two, three. Or,
26:01
Speaker 2: and I guess this doesn't matter because it wasn't their pick,
26:04
Speaker 2: the Clippers who traded James Harden after they started picking
26:06
Speaker 2: their season up. Like, the cheaters never prosper.
26:11
Speaker 8: Nah, nah, nah.
26:11
Speaker 2: That hasn't been what this has looked like.
26:15
Speaker 3: That's not what this has been. Did you look at
26:17
Speaker 3: the Atlantic article on Adam Silver, by the way?
26:20
Speaker 4: I have not. It is on my list, but I'm
26:22
Speaker 4: a big Tim Alberta guy, so I'm excited to read it.
26:24
Speaker 2: Okay. I didn't think he did good with this.
26:27
Speaker 4: Interesting.
26:27
Speaker 3: Well, I thought it was supposed to be an article
26:31
Speaker 3: about Adam Silk.
26:32
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, he's not a, he's not a traditional
26:34
Speaker 4: sports writer. So it's very, I'm very interested to see
26:37
Speaker 4: what your criticism is.
26:38
Speaker 2: It was way too much about Tim Alberta, way too
26:41
Speaker 2: much first person. Yeah. And I think anybody who wrote
26:43
Speaker 2: the piece I wrote, read the piece I wrote for
26:45
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair, you will, you can glean from that my
26:48
Speaker 2: feelings about first person stuff in profiles of other people.
26:53
Speaker 3: Um, It made some interesting points, right?
26:55
Speaker 2: It did feel a little bit too much like, why
26:58
Speaker 2: isn't this the NBA that I used to love, which
27:00
Speaker 2: I don't think is an adequate grievance against the league necessarily.
27:04
Speaker 3: I think it made.
27:06
Speaker 2: A lot of points about what it didn't like about
27:08
Speaker 2: the league, but did not really support or give a
27:11
Speaker 2: proper evidentiary basis for what it was. It raises the question, basically,
27:15
Speaker 2: is Adam Silver too nice to be the commissioner, which
27:17
Speaker 2: I think is a fair question. It raised the question
27:21
Speaker 2: as to whether or not the only thing Adam Silver
27:22
Speaker 2: cares about with this league is money, which I don't
27:26
Speaker 2: think is true. I think one thing Adam Silver cares
27:28
Speaker 2: very much so about in this league is the players
27:32
Speaker 2: in the league and their well-being and whether this league
27:34
Speaker 2: is serving them as partners. Now, whether that's the job
27:37
Speaker 2: of the commissioner, that is a very interesting question.
27:42
Speaker 4: Do you not think serving the players and making the
27:45
Speaker 4: most money is the same thing as the players are
27:48
Speaker 4: entitled to?
27:49
Speaker 2: Well, Adam is the guy to talk about their mental
27:51
Speaker 2: health and things like that, for example. Them as formed
27:54
Speaker 2: human beings, not simply as people who are looking to
27:59
Speaker 2: make money. But this lottery proves the difficulty of this job, man.
28:04
Speaker 2: This is a draft that people think has four, maybe
28:07
Speaker 2: five perennial all-star type players. And when I say perennial,
28:12
Speaker 2: I mean like seven, eight, nine, ten-time all-star type players.
28:16
Speaker 2: Regardless of what I think of Boozer, that's what people think.
28:19
Speaker 2: And those guys are going to Washington, which is actually,
28:24
Speaker 2: I think.
28:24
Speaker 3: Very good for the league. But Memphis, Utah, the Clippers,
28:29
Speaker 3: not bad for the league, but you'd rather them go
28:32
Speaker 3: to the Lakers.
28:34
Speaker 4: I mean, Chicago hasn't been well-run.
28:37
Speaker 2: Chicago had Michael Jordan that one time.
28:39
Speaker 8: Yeah.
28:41
Speaker 6: Right?
28:41
Speaker 2: Like I've said before, There is not a nation of
28:47
Speaker 2: Bulls fans, even after all that time with Michael Jordan.
28:49
Speaker 2: How crazy is that?
28:51
Speaker 4: Feels impossible.
28:52
Speaker 2: Right. There are still a nation of Georgetown fans. You
28:55
Speaker 2: don't hear about them very much because they don't come up.
28:57
Speaker 2: But everybody left the Bulls after Mike left. For whatever
29:01
Speaker 2: it is, right? Like that thing happened.
29:03
Speaker 3: But no, man, it's a tricky, tricky, tricky, tricky job.
29:08
Speaker 2: And in a league where David Stern used to say
29:10
Speaker 2: that his dream NBA finals is the Lakers and the Lakers.
29:14
Speaker 2: You're sending guys to Utah and Memphis. Well, well, at
29:19
Speaker 2: least we can watch them on all the streaming services.
29:22
Speaker 2: Let me tell you one more thing about that article, Ryan.
29:24
Speaker 2: Tim Alberta made the point. It starts off with him
29:26
Speaker 2: having to track down Adam Silver and how Silver wouldn't
29:29
Speaker 2: do the interview with him unless Mike Bass, the PR man,
29:31
Speaker 2: said it was okay. And Mike Bass kept saying no,
29:33
Speaker 2: and Adam Silver's like, hey, he's you know he says
29:35
Speaker 2: we can't do it all this stuff and they described
29:40
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29:44
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29:50
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29:53
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29:57
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29:58
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Speaker 2: Wilbon is never going to get up there and tell
35:12
Speaker 2: you how LeBron James will never be as good as
35:14
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan.
35:15
Speaker 6: Right.
35:15
Speaker 2: Like you're telling me none of those things ever happened there.
35:17
Speaker 2: Those guys are not going to have a discussion about
35:19
Speaker 2: whether somebody quit or any of those things. Like, are
35:22
Speaker 2: you are you really trying to tell me that? Because
35:25
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. And I don't say that
35:27
Speaker 2: as a criticism of those guys and obviously the people
35:29
Speaker 2: that were in that show. I've worked with them or
35:32
Speaker 2: known them for over 15 years, okay? This isn't a
35:35
Speaker 2: criticism of them. This is a criticism of the people
35:37
Speaker 2: who go so hard on first take, and I don't
35:40
Speaker 2: think that we can ignore the fact that first take,
35:44
Speaker 2: I've known Jamie Horowitz for a long time.
35:46
Speaker 3: Ryan, you have worked with Jamie Horowitz, right?
35:48
Speaker 4: Right.
35:49
Speaker 2: A big thing to understand about Jamie Horowitz and the
35:52
Speaker 2: way that he makes sports media. And Jamie, for those
35:54
Speaker 2: who don't know, when he used to be First take
35:57
Speaker 2: of cold pizza, and it would just be first and
35:59
Speaker 2: ten with Skip. When Jamie Horowitz took over that show,
36:01
Speaker 2: he was like, people watch Skip the most, so why
36:03
Speaker 2: don't we make the whole show about Skip? The move
36:06
Speaker 2: toward the embrace debate sort of format comes from Jamie Horowitz.
36:10
Speaker 4: And when people watched Skip, when Stephen A was a
36:14
Speaker 4: contributor on ESPN, not on full-time, they're like, this is
36:17
Speaker 4: what people watch the most. Let's do this all the time.
36:20
Speaker 3: Yes, that's how Jamie does things.
36:21
Speaker 2: But the other thing with Jamie is, Jamie, unlike most
36:25
Speaker 2: people who work in sports media, is like, hey, look
36:28
Speaker 2: at all these black people watching this show. Why don't
36:31
Speaker 2: we think about a show that these black people will like?
36:35
Speaker 2: So it becomes the show that has the Lil Wayne
36:37
Speaker 2: rap intro, for example, and all these things. Daytime programming
36:40
Speaker 2: at ESPN had always had a huge black audience. I
36:44
Speaker 2: bring that up to say, generally speaking, white people don't
36:47
Speaker 2: really know what to do when they watch something and
36:49
Speaker 2: they get the signal that it ain't for them.
36:52
Speaker 3: Black people typically keep on watching, right?
36:55
Speaker 2: But a lot of those criticisms of First Take, I
36:58
Speaker 2: have always heard in a way and have felt to
37:01
Speaker 2: a degree like they were also a wee bit like
37:03
Speaker 2: criticisms of the audience, whether people intended for it to
37:07
Speaker 2: be that way or not. The other point that I
37:10
Speaker 2: think is worth, and this is about to say, not
37:11
Speaker 2: to say that First Take is a show that has
37:13
Speaker 2: not earned its criticism over time, but I contend on
37:18
Speaker 2: the internet, and this is not just people who are
37:20
Speaker 2: professional critics, as is the case with most things, the
37:25
Speaker 2: loudest critics are the people who don't watch the show.
37:30
Speaker 2: Because if you hated it that much, you wouldn't actually
37:33
Speaker 2: watch it. I try to be careful about not having
37:36
Speaker 2: passionate opinions about things I don't consume. I think that's
37:40
Speaker 2: an important thing to keep in mind at all times.
37:42
Speaker 2: You watch something once or twice and you didn't like it,
37:44
Speaker 2: you don't know. You just don't.
37:46
Speaker 3: It's okay to say you didn't like it, but you
37:48
Speaker 3: don't know.
37:48
Speaker 2: I say all that to say that People act like
37:53
Speaker 2: first take became such a big deal because nobody liked it.
37:58
Speaker 1: Right?
37:58
Speaker 2: Like, just because your friends didn't like it, you think
38:01
Speaker 2: that nobody liked it.
38:03
Speaker 3: And that's not true.
38:04
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who like that show.
38:06
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who watch that show.
38:07
Speaker 2: There were a lot of topics.
38:09
Speaker 3: That when something happened in the news, you're like, yo,
38:12
Speaker 3: I got.
38:12
Speaker 2: To go see what Skip Bayless has to say about that.
38:15
Speaker 2: And a lot of y'all don't want to admit that's
38:17
Speaker 2: how you felt about it, but it's the truth. And
38:19
Speaker 2: that's the hallmark to how good that show could be
38:22
Speaker 2: when those two guys were doing it. And the reason
38:25
Speaker 2: that show could be so good when those two guys
38:27
Speaker 2: were doing it is because those two guys have arguments
38:30
Speaker 2: for being the two best ever at doing television along
38:34
Speaker 2: those lines. They're excellent at it. Now, the other day,
38:39
Speaker 2: I was talking about with Dominique, talking about Draymond and
38:43
Speaker 2: what happened with him on Inside the NBA. And a
38:45
Speaker 2: point I was trying to make that I think some
38:46
Speaker 2: people misunderstood was that You got to trust the people
38:51
Speaker 2: that you're with to really be in there like joking
38:54
Speaker 2: with each other and needling.
38:55
Speaker 4: And arguing on television for 10 hours a week.
38:58
Speaker 2: Yes. That's what Tony and Mike have on PTI is
39:01
Speaker 2: that right home always makes this point that they can
39:04
Speaker 2: go hard at each other. And then at the end,
39:07
Speaker 2: one of them always does something to remind the other, hey, baby,
39:10
Speaker 2: I still love you.
39:11
Speaker 3: And then everything goes okay.
39:13
Speaker 2: But you have to have a rapport and affection and
39:16
Speaker 2: a trust in order to get that place. And so
39:18
Speaker 2: what that allows your TV show to do is to
39:21
Speaker 2: get more passionate when the guys trust each other, but
39:24
Speaker 2: it also allows it to keep an air of levity.
39:27
Speaker 3: That is necessary.
39:27
Speaker 2: You don't want to feel like the two guys don't
39:29
Speaker 2: like each other. I've done a TV show where it
39:31
Speaker 2: looked like the two guys didn't like each other. It
39:33
Speaker 2: got canceled, right? You can't have that vibe. First take
39:37
Speaker 2: when it works at its best is because those two guys,
39:42
Speaker 2: it's not that they're the only two guys that they
39:44
Speaker 2: like or each other. But they're the only two that
39:48
Speaker 2: each other trust in that way that they could go
39:51
Speaker 2: back and forth as equals. Like Stephen A can play
39:54
Speaker 2: it up real big when somebody gets him.
39:56
Speaker 3: Oh, you got me. You got me and everything else.
39:59
Speaker 2: And he's being magnanimous to a guest or somebody else
40:02
Speaker 2: who's on a show. But those two guys could only
40:04
Speaker 2: share that show with each other. That's the only place
40:08
Speaker 2: they could. And so at its best, it was a
40:11
Speaker 2: good show. And there were days where it could be
40:14
Speaker 2: really enjoyable to watch. And there were days where you
40:16
Speaker 2: saw a certain measure of self-awareness, like way.
40:18
Speaker 3: Back when, when they did that dark night debate back
40:21
Speaker 3: and forth.
40:21
Speaker 2: That was a demonstration of a measure of self-awareness. Now,
40:24
Speaker 2: what I think with that show, doing it together every day,
40:29
Speaker 2: like when it was, they did it once or twice
40:30
Speaker 2: a week together, it kind of jumped off the page, right?
40:33
Speaker 2: When they did it every day, of course, it's going
40:35
Speaker 2: to get a little bit old. when you get to
40:38
Speaker 2: that point, right? But I, it was nostalgically good for me.
40:43
Speaker 4: They were having a great time.
40:45
Speaker 2: Two guys who really enjoy each other's company and really
40:49
Speaker 2: respect each other, arguing with each other about sports wins.
40:55
Speaker 2: It goes, it works. The other thing, and I think
40:59
Speaker 2: this is something that people need to understand. Colin Cowherd,
41:03
Speaker 2: as an example, is an excellent midday radio host right
41:08
Speaker 2: and i don't need to get into what exactly a
41:10
Speaker 2: midday host is and i say this is somebody who
41:12
Speaker 2: considers himself a midday host midday host is a various
41:14
Speaker 2: particular brand of person collins an excellent midday host i
41:18
Speaker 2: don't enjoy listening to his show it's not for me
41:22
Speaker 2: right every now and then he says something i like
41:24
Speaker 2: but how whether or not i like his show is
41:27
Speaker 2: not about whether or not his show is good you
41:30
Speaker 2: know what i mean right I don't care how you
41:33
Speaker 2: feel about Skip Bayless. He is a beast.
41:36
Speaker 3: He is excellent at this.
41:37
Speaker 2: And what that show was a reminder of and watching
41:40
Speaker 2: it on Friday, all that crazy shit that Skip got
41:42
Speaker 2: to say, Skip ready to back it all up. Skip
41:46
Speaker 2: showed up to the night before I got on Twitter
41:47
Speaker 2: and said, LeBron is the ninth best player.
41:50
Speaker 3: Of all time.
41:51
Speaker 2: And they showed up on TV with his top 10
41:54
Speaker 2: and explanations. You may not have agreed with it, but
41:56
Speaker 2: I had to say when I got to the end,
41:57
Speaker 2: I was like, I see how you could arrive at
42:00
Speaker 2: this ridiculous conclusion.
42:02
Speaker 1: Right.
42:02
Speaker 2: But that's what Skip's got. Skip says the crazy thing.
42:05
Speaker 2: And then by the time you get to the end
42:07
Speaker 2: off and you're like, I don't necessarily agree, but maybe
42:10
Speaker 2: it's not that crazy.
42:11
Speaker 4: There's always there's all his opinion is always well thought out.
42:16
Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
42:18
Speaker 3: Like the LeBron thing.
42:19
Speaker 2: Look, man, you stepped on that dope. He wasn't supposed
42:21
Speaker 2: to play this long. Right, right. Like this gag wasn't
42:23
Speaker 2: supposed to continue to go on for as long as
42:26
Speaker 2: it had or whatever. But there was a time where
42:28
Speaker 2: Skip looked like a soothsayer in 2010 and 2011.
42:32
Speaker 3: He looked like the dude who was finally right or whatever.
42:34
Speaker 2: Anyway, I say all that to say I disagree with
42:38
Speaker 2: the idea that First Take is responsible for everything that
42:41
Speaker 2: became wrong about sports television.
42:44
Speaker 1: Right.
42:44
Speaker 2: I think it's a very easy thing for people to
42:47
Speaker 2: point to and say, you don't blame sports talk radio
42:51
Speaker 2: all across the country with people far less talented than
42:54
Speaker 2: those people screaming and typically being far more hurtful and
42:58
Speaker 2: hateful when they're talking about people because they're in the
43:00
Speaker 2: silo of their local markets.
43:02
Speaker 1: Right.
43:02
Speaker 2: Like you can't sit up there and tell me how
43:04
Speaker 2: much you love Mad Dog Russo and then say you
43:06
Speaker 2: got a problem with them.
43:08
Speaker 3: Right? Mac and the Mad Dog. They're your guys.
43:10
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. Much of the criticism of
43:14
Speaker 2: that show has to do with whom that show serves.
43:17
Speaker 2: And I don't think that people who engage in that
43:20
Speaker 2: even fully realize that that's what they're doing. But I
43:23
Speaker 2: think it's somewhat undeniable that that's a part of it.
43:25
Speaker 2: So I thought that it was good. And if you
43:28
Speaker 2: tell me that Skip's going to be back once every.
43:30
Speaker 3: Couple weeks, I'll watch that.
43:31
Speaker 2: If you tell me Skip's going to be back.
43:33
Speaker 3: Every day, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
43:35
Speaker 4: I'll pass.
43:36
Speaker 1: Right?
43:36
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.
43:37
Speaker 6: Right.
43:39
Speaker 2: But they the other reason they're great for each other.
43:41
Speaker 2: And I'll say this and go. Skip thinks God put
43:45
Speaker 2: him on this earth to argue about sports. Literally.
43:49
Speaker 3: He takes this way seriously. He is here to win
43:53
Speaker 3: every debate.
43:54
Speaker 1: Right.
43:55
Speaker 2: And it works with those two in a way that
43:57
Speaker 2: like I don't think it worked before Stephen got there
43:59
Speaker 2: because Skip also believes he's never lost a debate. And
44:03
Speaker 2: he believes that he can structure the debate to make sure.
44:07
Speaker 2: that he never loses a debate, which in part involves
44:11
Speaker 2: making sure he has opponents that he knows he can beat.
44:15
Speaker 2: Remember that time I told you that they told me
44:20
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go be on the show no more?
44:21
Speaker 4: Yes.
44:22
Speaker 2: Okay.
44:23
Speaker 1: Right?
44:25
Speaker 2: Stephen A is the one guy that he respects enough, truly,
44:30
Speaker 2: that maybe he doesn't win them all, but they'll go
44:33
Speaker 2: back and forth, and then at the end, they'll come
44:35
Speaker 2: back on the other side. And when that works, that
44:38
Speaker 2: is what makes good television, even if it's not your
44:42
Speaker 2: favorite show.
44:44
Speaker 4: All right. Tough news in the Atlanta area. Manager Bobby
44:48
Speaker 4: Cox passed away at the age of 84. He, of course,
44:54
Speaker 4: managed the Braves from 1990 to 2010. Bo, Braves being
44:59
Speaker 4: your favorite team, what was your reaction to this news?
45:01
Speaker 2: So Bobby has always been an interesting figure because for
45:04
Speaker 2: me personally, Before he became the manager, he was, and
45:09
Speaker 2: you got to remember, this is a different era of
45:11
Speaker 2: sports coverage, and obviously I was much younger, but he
45:14
Speaker 2: was the general manager of the team. So he managed
45:17
Speaker 2: the team until 1982, fired him, and then hired Joe Torre,
45:21
Speaker 2: which people, I think, don't quite realize.
45:23
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that.
45:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Torre replaced him, and they won the division
45:26
Speaker 2: in 82. So I think they fired Cox after 81, maybe.
45:33
Speaker 2: But then they hired Joe Torrey, won the division in 82,
45:36
Speaker 2: fired him in 84. In my house, the explanation always
45:38
Speaker 2: was they fired Joe Torrey because he wouldn't fire Bob
45:40
Speaker 2: Gibson as his pitching coach. I don't know if that's
45:43
Speaker 2: the case, right? That's the kind of thing my daddy
45:45
Speaker 2: would say. But it's on the board.
45:47
Speaker 3: It's possible.
45:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, not that far out there.
45:49
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you what's also possible. Joe Torrey
45:52
Speaker 2: being like, I ain't firing Bob Gibson.
45:53
Speaker 3: You fire Bob Gibson.
45:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, you go tell Bob Gibson he's fired.
45:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go tell him. You go, you go tell them,
45:59
Speaker 3: and I'm sure they did it on the phone.
46:02
Speaker 2: But anyway.
46:03
Speaker 4: Long distance call.
46:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:05
Speaker 2: But Bobby built that team and then went to manage it, right?
46:09
Speaker 2: Bobby makes the trade for Doyle Alexander that gets John Smoltz.
46:11
Speaker 2: But I think Bobby's the one where you draft... um,
46:15
Speaker 2: Tom Glavin, like all of these things, they got, sure.
46:17
Speaker 2: Holtz became the general manager in 90, right before the
46:19
Speaker 2: 91 season, but that's what they did.
46:21
Speaker 3: You know, that's how it went.
46:22
Speaker 2: And so he went from being this, like this, the
46:25
Speaker 2: guy upstairs, and then they fired Russ Nixon and now
46:28
Speaker 2: Bobby Cox.
46:28
Speaker 3: Is the manager, but I don't know anything about him.
46:30
Speaker 5: Right.
46:30
Speaker 2: I don't really know much about the Toronto days or
46:32
Speaker 2: any of that other stuff. And I tell people this
46:35
Speaker 2: all the time, no matter what happens in this world,
46:37
Speaker 2: you can never take 1991 away from me. like the
46:40
Speaker 2: the world series in 95 was great but the second
46:42
Speaker 2: half of the 1991 season is everything in the world
46:45
Speaker 2: to me for being i want to say 30 i
46:48
Speaker 2: can't remember the record but i know at one point
46:49
Speaker 2: they were like 38 and 40 or something like that
46:51
Speaker 2: came back won the division on the last week of
46:52
Speaker 2: the season everything else and those of you who know
46:54
Speaker 2: me and have listened to me forever that those braves
46:57
Speaker 2: are the most important like the first thing i ever
46:58
Speaker 2: loved that wasn't about family right like i would say
47:00
Speaker 2: the first thing i ever made a choice to love
47:02
Speaker 2: in this world was the atlanta braves and 15 years,
47:06
Speaker 2: are we going to be good no matter what, right?
47:09
Speaker 2: As a manager, we talk about the years they had
47:11
Speaker 2: all the pitching, but they didn't always have all the pitching.
47:13
Speaker 2: And then some years they didn't have the pitching. And
47:15
Speaker 2: then they won with hitting all the time. And then
47:16
Speaker 2: this year the bullpen was excellent. And then this year
47:19
Speaker 2: it wasn't. But every year something different was going to happen.
47:21
Speaker 2: You may not win a World Series, and it's real
47:23
Speaker 2: easy to get frustrated with that. And people can say
47:25
Speaker 2: that this is not a dynasty because they only won
47:26
Speaker 2: one World Series. Fine, I don't give a fuck about that.
47:29
Speaker 2: It was so much fun to root for that team
47:33
Speaker 2: and the steadying force and the constant at every turn
47:36
Speaker 2: was Bobby Cox, right? The other thing with Cox, obviously,
47:40
Speaker 2: is that he's all-time leader in getting ejected. And the
47:43
Speaker 2: only criticism I have with him for those ejections was
47:46
Speaker 2: they were never fun enough for us. Like you go
47:49
Speaker 2: out there and he just start talking and you'd be like.
47:51
Speaker 3: Damn, what did he say?
47:53
Speaker 2: Cause they were like, give me some Earl Weaver, man.
47:55
Speaker 3: Turn your cap around, kick some dirt around, all of
47:58
Speaker 3: that stuff. It would never be that. It was like,
48:00
Speaker 3: his problem was he could never go back.
48:02
Speaker 4: Right?
48:02
Speaker 3: Like he'd go out there and just keep going, keep going.
48:05
Speaker 2: And then finally they're like, we gotta, we gotta, we
48:09
Speaker 2: gotta get you out of there.
48:11
Speaker 1: Right?
48:11
Speaker 3: Like that was, that was it.
48:13
Speaker 2: So yeah.
48:13
Speaker 3: So Bobby dying.
48:14
Speaker 2: I mean, it wraps a lot for that era. I mean,
48:20
Speaker 2: obviously the players still here.
48:22
Speaker 3: Chip is still alive.
48:23
Speaker 2: Andrew just went to the Hall of Fame. Glavin, Maddox, Smoltz,
48:26
Speaker 2: all these guys. It's not like these guys are gone.
48:28
Speaker 2: There's also a great opportunity to tell the Braves it's
48:31
Speaker 2: OK to retire Terry Pendleton's jersey. You should. The most
48:36
Speaker 2: important player in this transition of this team becoming what
48:38
Speaker 2: it was is him. Long story. We could talk about
48:41
Speaker 2: another day. But now, man, Bobby meant something to a
48:45
Speaker 2: lot of us because that team meant something to a
48:47
Speaker 2: lot of us. And he is the most readily associated
48:53
Speaker 2: voice or face of that team. And, you know, rest
48:58
Speaker 2: in peace.
49:01
Speaker 4: All right, Bo. A lot of good voicemails. Here's our first. Hey, Bomani.
49:11
Speaker 6: This is David in New Orleans. Love the show. Got
49:13
Speaker 6: a story about Ted Turner in Polite Society. So years ago,
49:18
Speaker 6: I volunteered at a literary conference here in New Orleans,
49:23
Speaker 6: and one of the main faculty was Robert Olin Butler,
49:28
Speaker 6: who's a Pulitzer Prize-winning fiction writer, and whose wife had
49:33
Speaker 6: just left him earlier that year for Ted Turner to
49:38
Speaker 6: become one of his girlfriends. And it turned out this
49:42
Speaker 6: conference was giving Ted Turner an award for the autobiography
49:47
Speaker 6: he wrote, and mainly because he was willing to show up.
49:50
Speaker 6: And so Robert Owen Butler is sitting there at the
49:54
Speaker 6: dinner where Ted Turner is up on the stage with
49:59
Speaker 6: Elizabeth Dewberry, Robert Owen Butler's ex-wife. And when he gets
50:03
Speaker 6: up to accept the award, he says, I guess they
50:06
Speaker 6: give this award to you if you write a great book.
50:09
Speaker 6: And then he looks dead eye at Robert Olin Butler
50:13
Speaker 6: and says, don't worry, Bob, you'll get one one day.
50:18
Speaker 2: Have a good one. I love stories like that.
50:25
Speaker 4: Yes. Especially like people at that age, just like the
50:29
Speaker 4: less you care, the more interesting you are.
50:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
50:32
Speaker 2: Well, I'm also very good at not knowing who that
50:34
Speaker 2: person is. I was just talking to. Yeah.
50:36
Speaker 3: I have that knack. No, I told you about Rich
50:41
Speaker 3: Paul's story, right?
50:42
Speaker 1: No.
50:42
Speaker 3: First time I met Rich Paul, I was on the
50:44
Speaker 3: floor in Miami.
50:45
Speaker 2: This was 2013 or 14, somewhere in there. It was
50:49
Speaker 2: after one of the Heat Finals games. And I'm talking
50:52
Speaker 2: to Connor and I think Jamie, right?
50:54
Speaker 3: And so we're there. And then somebody says, hey, have
50:56
Speaker 3: you met Rich Paul? I had never met Rich Paul.
50:58
Speaker 3: I'm talking to him.
50:59
Speaker 2: And I don't think he knew exactly what Connor did.
51:01
Speaker 2: Or maybe they had been talking. I don't remember the
51:03
Speaker 2: particulars on that. But I just remember Rich looked at
51:06
Speaker 2: Connor and said, oh, yeah, ESPN. I was just talking
51:09
Speaker 2: to Bob from Disney a little earlier.
51:12
Speaker 3: And Connor goes a little about Bob from Disney. Hey,
51:13
Speaker 3: are you talking about Bob Iger?
51:18
Speaker 2: And I don't, I don't use that. That is not
51:20
Speaker 2: to shade Rich Paul at all. That is to say
51:24
Speaker 2: that when you rep LeBron.
51:26
Speaker 4: He's Bob.
51:27
Speaker 3: He's just Bob from Disney.
51:29
Speaker 5: Right.
51:29
Speaker 3: You're like, you hold all the cards.
51:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.
51:31
Speaker 3: And if I'm not.
51:32
Speaker 2: Mistaken, Disney had a lot of Bob's kind of like
51:34
Speaker 2: ESPN used to have a lot of Johns.
51:36
Speaker 8: Yep.
51:36
Speaker 3: This is like, wait, Did you just say Bob from Disney? Yeah,
51:39
Speaker 3: Bob from Disney.
51:43
Speaker 4: Incredible. All right, here's our next one.
51:46
Speaker 5: What's going on, Bo and Ryan?
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Speaker 7: I have to credit you guys for introducing me and
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Speaker 7: you and the internet of people from Opelousas.
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Speaker 5: In my particular branch of the family, I was like
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Speaker 5: the last person I ever met up in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 7: But, yeah, once I had, like, seen on social media, like.
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Speaker 5: People with Opelousas and how it was kind.
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Speaker 8: Of a shocker, and I just seen that rerun episode
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Speaker 8: of Seinfeld where Elaine was dating a guy, and he
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Speaker 8: swore that she was black, and he thought that she
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Speaker 8: was Latina. And so I was just wondering, like, have you.
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Speaker 7: Ever misconstrued somebody's background in your life.
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Speaker 5: Like I have an uncle, my aunt's husband.
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Speaker 8: Who he had a, I could have swore that.
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Speaker 7: He was a white guy. I thought my cousin was biracial.
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Speaker 7: But then I heard some of his views on social
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Speaker 7: political things. And if he was a white man, he'd
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Speaker 7: be like an uncle ruckus for them. So yeah, have
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Speaker 7: you ever misconstrued anybody that you know's background in ethnicity?
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Speaker 6: All right.
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Speaker 7: Not sure.
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Speaker 8: Keep going.
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Speaker 2: I mean, of course.
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Speaker 3: Isaiah Hartenstein.
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Speaker 2: Isaiah Hartenstein, way high on the list.
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Speaker 4: I know that's got to happen to him every day.
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Speaker 3: There's also a couple of twins in professional.
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Speaker 2: Sports that I know exactly what's going on there, but
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Speaker 2: I feel like we don't ever talk about it, so
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Speaker 2: I'm afraid to actually bring it up.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty obvious.
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Speaker 2: If you tried to drop a pencil through their hair,
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Speaker 2: you would know what time it was, but we only
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Speaker 2: talk about it during Latin month.
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Speaker 3: I just don't know what to do.
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Speaker 2: Did you figure out who I was talking about, Ryan?
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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm aware. I'm aware, and I will also not
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Speaker 4: betray anyone.
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Speaker 2: Right, like I don't know what to do. It sounds
53:47
Speaker 2: like a decision has been made, but I saw a
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Speaker 2: picture of their uncle, and he might as well be the.
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Speaker 3: Ace of spades.
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Speaker 4: Actually, someone very close to him came up earlier in
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Speaker 4: the show.
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Speaker 2: That is true.
53:58
Speaker 4: All right, here's our last one.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Bomani. This is Michael, a long-time listener. You know,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Vrabel situation. And who would
54:08
Speaker 1: be the funniest if they kept leaking all this to TMZ?
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Speaker 1: And I've come to the conclusion that I think the
54:16
Speaker 1: only way that this story could get wilder is if
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Speaker 1: Jordan Hudson was the one leaking all this for her
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Speaker 1: guy Bill. What do you think?
54:28
Speaker 2: Huh. I don't feel like she got any reason to
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Speaker 2: have any beef with Mike Vrabel.
54:37
Speaker 4: I think she knows two people in love when she
54:39
Speaker 4: sees them.
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Speaker 3: That's right. That's right.
54:42
Speaker 2: That's right. That is love.
54:45
Speaker 3: Like, this is my question.
54:49
Speaker 2: Who was like, you still got that video from 2020?
54:52
Speaker 2: You still got that 2021 video?
54:56
Speaker 3: Let's send that out. And I will just make one
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Speaker 3: more point.
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Speaker 2: I frequently say that I am not really famous, but
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Speaker 2: I am certainly recognizable.
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Speaker 6: Right?
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Speaker 3: Like, certain places.
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Speaker 4: That's a good distinction.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Certain places, I am famous. I am not famous everywhere. Okay?
55:17
Speaker 2: But one place I am very recognizable is at an arena.
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Speaker 3: At a stadium.
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Speaker 2: Somewhere around, you know, with a sporting event attached to it.
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Speaker 2: That would make sense. Okay?
55:29
Speaker 3: If you're Mike Vrabel....
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Speaker 2: In 2021, your arena is Nashville. The whole city of Nashville.
55:40
Speaker 2: Maybe you can lay low at the casino in Biloxi.
55:43
Speaker 2: Maybe you can lay low somewhere in New York City.
55:45
Speaker 2: There is no laying low in Nashville. And he was
55:49
Speaker 2: walking around Nashville like he was invisible. What are you.
55:56
Speaker 3: You better win a lot of games.
55:57
Speaker 2: Is all I'm saying.
55:58
Speaker 3: Ryan, in the schedule coming out in a couple of days.
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Speaker 4: Sure is. Thursday.
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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, that's, wait, let's see what the murderers roll.
56:08
Speaker 2: Because their schedule is a monster this year.
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Speaker 4: Yes. Especially compared to last year where they had the
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Speaker 4: easiest schedule in 25 years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're going to have them.
56:16
Speaker 2: It's going to be tough. It's going to be tough.
56:18
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56:21
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56:30
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