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UK Column News — 29th May 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday, the twenty ninth of May twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column
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Speaker 1: News and host by Rumson joining me in the studio
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Speaker 1: on AGAINZ Patrick Hennison. Welcome to the program. Patrick, it's
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Speaker 1: great to be with you, min and by video link
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Speaker 1: we're joined by Basil Valentine and letter. In the program,
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Speaker 1: we're going to be joined by former Libor MP Chris
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Speaker 1: Williamson to discuss Tony Blair's recent intervention in British politics,
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Speaker 1: and we'll be covering the latest on Peter Mandelson international
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Speaker 1: connections and the UK ramping up for drones in Ukraine
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Speaker 1: and the continuing ramping up of war production more generally
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Speaker 1: in fact in Europe. But we're going to begin once
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Speaker 1: again today with digital ID because, as everyone will know,
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Speaker 1: the public consultation into the Starmar government's Digital ID scheme
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Speaker 1: has concluded and they're now evaluating the contributions. But what
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Speaker 1: you may not know is this policy is going to
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Speaker 1: make use of at least the next stage of it
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Speaker 1: is going to make use of mechanism long warned about
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Speaker 1: by Ben Rubin in particular on this program, and that
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Speaker 1: is the Citizens Assembly. Now in this case they're calling
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Speaker 1: it the People's Panel. It will have one hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty participants and the Cabinet Office and I published the
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Speaker 1: terms of reference for the Oversight Group which will steer
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Speaker 1: the so called People's Panel on digital ID. Now, the
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Speaker 1: endpoint of this is absolutely said already because in terms
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Speaker 1: of reference again with the same text that they had
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Speaker 1: on the consultation page, which basically said the government intends
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Speaker 1: to introduce a digital ID system by the end of
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Speaker 1: this Parliament. That's not considering, that's intending. It intends it will.
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Speaker 1: That decision has already been made. So the question is
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Speaker 1: what is the People's Panel going to do?
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: First of all, as I say one hundred and twenty people,
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Speaker 1: these are going to be chosen apparently by postcode lottery,
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Speaker 1: and they are not, as we have just made the point,
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Speaker 1: being asked whether written should have a digital ID. They
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Speaker 1: are being asked how it should be built and how
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Speaker 1: it should be rolled out. So let's first of all
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Speaker 1: bring on the chair, because that is Baroness Armstrong of
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Speaker 1: hill Top, the Oversight Group that's going to be steering this.
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Speaker 1: In their document say that digital ID is modern, convenient, secure,
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Speaker 1: it puts people in control of their data, it's inclusive,
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Speaker 1: it comes without upfront charges, and twice in the document
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Speaker 1: that talks about making people's lives easier, there's no mentions
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Speaker 1: of risks, of drawbacks, of controversy, and in that sense, Patrick,
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Speaker 1: it seems quite similar to the jobs during COVID. We
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Speaker 1: give you all the alleged benefits of it, even though
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Speaker 1: you don't really want it, and they say nothing about
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Speaker 1: the potential side effects.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, or the NHS track and tracea which we didn't
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Speaker 3: even get anyway, but there you are.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, now this panel supposed to make sure that the
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Speaker 1: process is, as they put it, robust, rigorous and transparent.
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Speaker 1: But what's fascinating about it is that everybody that's.
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Speaker 3: On the.
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Speaker 1: Steering Committee, if you want to call it, that is
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Speaker 1: bind by the Official Secrets Act.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: This is because the government is saying that there may
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Speaker 1: be exposed information which is not yet in the public domain.
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Speaker 1: But nonetheless they're not allowed to talk about they're not
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Speaker 1: allowed to share minutes of what they talk about, they're
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Speaker 1: not allowed to talk about their internal conversations. It's quite incredible.
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Speaker 1: So no transparency at all there.
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Speaker 3: What could there be in the digital ID conversation that
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Speaker 3: would fall under top secret. I don't understand. Isn't it
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Speaker 3: just about making our lives that much more convenient?
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Speaker 1: Well, I would suggest that they made such a mess
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Speaker 1: of the initial announcement, and they got such a pushback
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Speaker 1: on that initial announcement, the idea that was going to
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Speaker 1: be mandatory and so on. They're not absolutely panicking about
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Speaker 1: anything coming up which is going to give any momentum
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Speaker 1: to the opposition.
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Speaker 3: So anything embarrassing is a threat to quote national security.
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Speaker 3: I guess thank you for clearing up absolutely.
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Speaker 1: So, as I say, Official Secrets Act disclosure is what
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Speaker 1: they said was a disclosure outside they agreed remit could
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Speaker 1: mean criminal prosecutions. Recordings are deleted after the project minutes
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Speaker 1: are only shared with the members of the committee. Then
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Speaker 1: we have the oversight group itself. Now I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to highlight everybody that's on this, but just a few
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Speaker 1: because these names some people may be familiar with from
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Speaker 1: previous UK column newses. So we've got Jenny Tennyson of
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Speaker 1: Connected by Data, Claudia Chalice of Democracy, next Alistair Carmichael,
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Speaker 1: who's a Liberal Democrat, MP Matt Done, the Chief Executive crisis.
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Speaker 1: So this is sortation in action, and to highlight well,
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Speaker 1: to highlight the dangers of this, I'm going to play
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Speaker 1: a short clip from yes Minster here because you know
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Speaker 1: basically what we saw when we went to the occupy
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Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. We went to the occupy
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Speaker 1: protests in Saint Paul's years ago twenty eleven kind of
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Speaker 1: sort of time to twenty eleven, twenty twelve, whatever that was,
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Speaker 1: and we saw these types of citizens assemblies in their
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Speaker 1: embryotic forma. We saw how the steering committee actually steered
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Speaker 1: the conversation using such things as a Delphi technique. But
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Speaker 1: there's even more basic ways to steer this. This just
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Speaker 1: gives a short example of how it might work.
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Speaker 5: It's a nice young lady comes up to you. Obviously
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Speaker 5: you want to create a good impression. You don't want
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Speaker 5: to look at fool, do you know. So she starts
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Speaker 5: asking you some questions.
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Speaker 6: Mister Woollett. Are you worried about the number of young
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Speaker 6: people without jobs?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 6: Are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 6: Do you think there's an ect of discipline in our
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Speaker 6: comprehensive schools?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 5: Do you think young people welcome some authority and leadership
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Speaker 5: in their lives.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 6: Do you think they respond to a challenge?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 6: Would you be in favor of reintroducing national services? Well,
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Speaker 6: I suppose I might, yes or no?
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Speaker 5: Yes, of course you would, Bennett. I, for all you've
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Speaker 5: told you can't say no to that. So they don't
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Speaker 5: mention the first five questions, and they published the last one.
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Speaker 5: He said, really what they do well, not the reputable ones? No,
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Speaker 5: but there aren't many of those. Alternatively, the young lady
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Speaker 5: can get the opposite result, mister Willett. Are you worried
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Speaker 5: about the danger of war?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 6: Are you worried about the growth of armaments yes?
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Speaker 5: Do you think there's a danger in giving young people
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Speaker 5: guns and teaching them how to kill?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 5: Do you think it's wrong to force people to take
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Speaker 5: up arms against their will?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 6: Would you oppose the reintroduction of national service?
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Speaker 3: Yes? Right right?
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Speaker 1: I humer as example of how easiness to steer people
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Speaker 1: to give the answer that you want. So anyway to
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Speaker 1: summarize this, one hundred and twenty member People's Panel can't
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Speaker 1: rejected July d because that decision's already made. It deliberates
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Speaker 1: on a brief that the government frames with materials the
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Speaker 1: government controls reported by a contractor of the government appoints.
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Speaker 1: I didn't mention that that's exhaust by the way, and
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Speaker 1: overseen by a group of that the government chairs. And
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Speaker 1: so I'm going to leave it to you, the audience,
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Speaker 1: to decide if this is likely to produce an outcome
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Speaker 1: anyone could support other than the government. But no matter
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Speaker 1: what comes out of it, it's going to be framed
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Speaker 1: as the voice of the people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the whole point of this setup, Mike, as
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Speaker 3: you rightly said, from the embryonic stage, framing the argument
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Speaker 3: and steering the conversation and then avoiding any uncomfortable questions, right,
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Speaker 3: and to reinforce a consensus, give the impression of a consensus.
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Speaker 3: The thing that just lastly, the thing that concerns me
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Speaker 3: is that they won't be keeping public records video footage
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Speaker 3: of the consultations and only certain transcripts. So why not everything?
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Speaker 3: Why not preserve it all? Because isn't this important? Isn't
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Speaker 3: this a part of history?
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Speaker 1: So just to clarify, at the times of reference are
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Speaker 1: talking about the deliberations of the steering committee itself. What
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Speaker 1: happens with the sessions that they run with one hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty people. That remains to be seen. But I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about the actual conversations that that steering committee is
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Speaker 1: having internally we get no.
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Speaker 3: Oversight of That should be public record. Should be public records.
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Speaker 3: That would be fascinating to watch, wouldn't it. Yes, I
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Speaker 3: certainly would pay. I pay for the privilege. Actually I
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Speaker 3: pay a tenor to download it and watch it on
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Speaker 3: a secure link.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, Okay, Patrick, Let's move on then to Peter Mandelson.
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Speaker 3: Mandy Well Bandy, Mandy is back in the news. Just
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Speaker 3: get your head around this one revealed Mandelsshin's vetting warned
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Speaker 3: ties to senior figures in China, Russia and lastly Israel.
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Speaker 3: Of course, of course some people will be focusing on
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Speaker 3: the others, but it's somehow missing the mention of this man.
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Speaker 3: But that's expected. Here. Let's take a look at some
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Speaker 3: of the details here. Madelson's links to former head of
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Speaker 3: Israeli military intelligence Tamir Himan, including bi monthly discussions debriefings
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Speaker 3: I would say, flagged by the United Kingdom Security Vetting Agency. Here,
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Speaker 3: isn't that interesting? It was flagged? Well, what happened after
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Speaker 3: that there is Jeff not to be left out. What
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Speaker 3: happened after that? This is what happened. The agency concluded
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Speaker 3: that Mandelssyn posed a Q high overall concern and its
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Speaker 3: recommendation to the Foreign Office was that his developing vetting
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Speaker 3: clearance should be denied. But that's not exactly what happened here.
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Speaker 3: Let's take a look. After being briefed on the contents
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Speaker 3: of Mandelson's UKSV summary file, then Foreign Office Permanent Secretary
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Speaker 3: Ali Robbins granted Mandelson's security clearance anyway, So the Foreign
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Speaker 3: Office pretty much overrode the recommendations of the Vetting Agency.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that something? So again, no mention of Jeff in there.
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Speaker 3: But let's take a look at what the shadow forn
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Speaker 3: Secretary for Israel I mean the Conservative Party. Pretty Patelsch
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Speaker 3: is a very charming smile, as we know pretty ways
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Speaker 3: in here. These shocking revelations underline just how reckless Keir
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Speaker 3: Starmer's decision to appoint Peter Manilson was. A man with
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Speaker 3: these links to Russia and China should never have been
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Speaker 3: handed one of our most sensitive diplomatic posts. And no
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Speaker 3: mention of Israel surprise, surprise, she can't bring herself to
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Speaker 3: even mention that great word. The only democracy in them
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Speaker 3: add least our greatest friend at ally. So there we are.
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Speaker 3: Mandelssohn is incredible. Yes, he just keeps giving, doesn't he? Absolutely?
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Speaker 1: Well, look, let's move on to what's going on globally,
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Speaker 1: conflict wise and well, what are we saying here Patrick
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Speaker 1: three wars.
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Speaker 3: Well, we'll give you a summary, a very quick round
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Speaker 3: summary of what's going on on these three flashpoints here,
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Speaker 3: of course Iran, Ukraine and this one is developing, that
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Speaker 3: is the imminent invasion of Cuba. All signals are pointing
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Speaker 3: that direction. I know some people might be surprised to
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Speaker 3: hear that. But let's go to Iran. So what's the
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Speaker 3: latest in Iran? Where are we with this deal? This
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Speaker 3: peace deal that everybody keeps well has been talking about
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Speaker 3: for a long time but hasn't materialized US Israeli peace plan. Well,
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Speaker 3: here's the latest. There's the President the United States Donald J. Trump,
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Speaker 3: Israel pressuring Trump to abandon around negotiations and assassinate Iran's
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Speaker 3: lead negotiator Galibach Okay. Next, Israel pushing Trump to restart
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Speaker 3: military strikes targeting Iran's oil and energy infrastructure to trigger
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Speaker 3: regime change in Tehran. So they're making progress, as you
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Speaker 3: can see. I mean, really pushing things forward, aren't they.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive. But not to be outdone, Trump now
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Speaker 3: threatens to blow up the country of Oman. I know
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Speaker 3: it sounds insane, but here is the President of the
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Speaker 3: United States, in his own words.
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Speaker 7: Now, the Strait's going to be open to everybody's nobody's
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Speaker 7: going to control it. We're going to watch over it.
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Speaker 7: We'll watch over it, but nobody's going to control And
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Speaker 7: that's part of the negotiation that we have. They would
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Speaker 7: like to control it. Nobody's going to control. It's international waters,
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Speaker 7: and Oman will behave just like everybody else. So we'll
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Speaker 7: have to blow them up. They understand that they'll be fine.
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Speaker 3: Nothing extreme there, of course, is just another dating life
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Speaker 3: so threatening to a US ally. By the way, Oman
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Speaker 3: always had very good relations with the United States government,
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Speaker 3: or at least previous administrations. But of course that's all
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Speaker 3: really up for grabs right now. So what was he
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Speaker 3: talking about international waters? Just a little legal lesson here
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Speaker 3: for Donald Trump and his cohort. The extension of territory
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Speaker 3: waters in the Straits of War Moose. Actually, after the
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Speaker 3: UN Convention for the Law of the Seas, both Oman
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Speaker 3: and Iran extended their territorial waters, so there are no
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Speaker 3: international waters in the Straits. So for Moose, those are
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Speaker 3: Iranian and Omani territorial waters, not international, which means they
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Speaker 3: have a right to exercise control over that waterway, especially
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Speaker 3: during a time of war. I can't remember who started
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Speaker 3: this war to begin with. That's it's so long ago.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't Iran, was it. I think it was. It
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Speaker 3: might have been in the US in Israel. So they
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Speaker 3: really don't have much to complain about. But that is
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Speaker 3: how the international law looks. So you're seeing all of
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Speaker 3: this waxing lyrical about international law and this is a
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Speaker 3: violation of this and that, No, it's not. Iran is
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Speaker 3: fully within their rights under international law. So if you
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Speaker 3: want to rewrite international law, be my guest, you're going
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Speaker 3: to have to plan to have a major convention on this.
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Speaker 3: That could take a couple of years. Who knows, that
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Speaker 3: process might outlast Trump's presidency. So you know, those are
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Speaker 3: the facts, folks, And we put a link in the
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Speaker 3: show notes. It'll take you to that, plus an explanation
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Speaker 3: of the Persian Gulf Straits Authority, which is an agency
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Speaker 3: set up by Iran to now administer through the Strait
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Speaker 3: of Hormouse. And that's creating all sorts of problems. Now
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Speaker 3: Trump's not done there. The argument still keeps coming, and
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Speaker 3: you see them, they're all repeating the same talking point
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Speaker 3: that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. Well, we've established
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Speaker 3: many times on this program that they don't have one,
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Speaker 3: they're not developing one, haven't been even concerning considering one
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Speaker 3: since two thousand and three. That's a while ago, isn't
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Speaker 3: it two thousand and three, according to US intelligence assessment.
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Speaker 3: So that's not Patrick Henningson or the UK column saying
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Speaker 3: that that's the CIA and the entire US intelligence community. So,
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Speaker 3: but Donald Trump has other sources in Tel Aviv. Listen
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Speaker 3: to the president here explaining his version of history.
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Speaker 7: If we didn't hit that with the B two bombers,
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Speaker 7: Iran would have had a nuclear weapon within two weeks
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Speaker 7: from that date because they were ready to go. And
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Speaker 7: if they had a new nuclear weapon, it would have
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Speaker 7: been used already. It also would have been used had
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Speaker 7: I not terminated the old Bamba Deal, the Iran nuclear
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Speaker 7: deal as we call it, that was in my first term.
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Speaker 7: Had I not terminated that they would have had a
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Speaker 7: nuclear weapon a long time ago. I would say it
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Speaker 7: was a guarantee that it would have been used and
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Speaker 7: it would have blown up Israel. It would have blown
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Speaker 7: up the entire Middle East, and that's never going to happen.
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Speaker 3: So well, let me just get the logic straight. So
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Speaker 3: removing the nuclear deal that constrained Iran, because Trump did that,
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Speaker 3: he saved Iran from building a bomb. That's sort of
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Speaker 3: the logic, isn't this be ye? So that deal has
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Speaker 3: been what nine years? How come they didn't develop a
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Speaker 3: bomb in nine years? Then if Trump withdrew from the
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Speaker 3: nuclear deal, and I believe it was May twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 3: so eight years, eight years, So I guess two weeks.
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Speaker 3: He says two weeks, but I'm saying eight years and nothing.
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Speaker 3: So I think my argument's a little more credible than
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Speaker 3: the US president there. But hey, so anyway, just on
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Speaker 3: that note, Mike, Iran has re rebuilt the South Pars
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Speaker 3: gas field, so they're back to normal production. That was quick,
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Speaker 3: wasn't it. Very impressive engineering by the Iranians. And the
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Speaker 3: rains have hit the Kuwaiti base, the US base in
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Speaker 3: Kuwait as a retaliation for the US strikes from last weekend.
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Speaker 3: So things have developed there. So maybe that's why Israel
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Speaker 3: wants to resume the strikes because Iran has already rebuilt
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Speaker 3: the damage of the South Pars gas field. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: It's just a shot in the dark on my part here,
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Speaker 3: but this is an interesting takeaway. US munitions depleted by
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Speaker 3: the Iran war will take years to restore. Analysis fines here.
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Speaker 3: The source for this is the Center for Strategic International Studies.
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Speaker 3: Approximately three years. They're saying three years to rearm and
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Speaker 3: to restock. So another brilliant move by Pete hag Zeth,
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Speaker 3: the Secretary of War. The Mercurial Secretary of War's impressive performance.
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Speaker 1: So of course Brettan and the EU have largely depleted
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Speaker 1: their munitions in Ukraine as well. So where is the
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Speaker 1: West with their war policy at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Well, there they're telling their enemies it's a good time
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Speaker 3: to push forward against NATO in the US, so maybe
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Speaker 3: who knows well listen, So it's a big failure. Also,
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Speaker 3: record aircraft losses, it's come in. I think forty three
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Speaker 3: aircraft have been lost during this conflict. Plus another. I
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Speaker 3: think a dozen during the Yemen conflicts. So this record losses.
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Speaker 3: The US have not lost this many air assets in
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Speaker 3: any war probably since the Second World War. So this
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Speaker 3: is record breaking stuff. So I'd like to see the
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Speaker 3: mid term performance review for the esteemed Secretary of War.
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Speaker 3: That would be interesting. Well, I don't know if we'll
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Speaker 3: get to see that or not. So that's where things
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Speaker 3: are going to lie there onto Ukraine and we have
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Speaker 3: so the next blow, and again we're showing the banned
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Speaker 3: website RT here very dangerous content. Of course, we don't
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Speaker 3: want the Western public to know what the Russians are saying,
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Speaker 3: especially if it involves war. We just wanted to think
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Speaker 3: it dropped out of the sky and Russian's just latching out. No,
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Speaker 3: Russia's warning here, Moscow, the next blow will be more painful.
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Speaker 3: Russian experts are signally something bigger than retaliation. This is
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Speaker 3: following the Ukrainian drone strike against the college dormitory at
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Speaker 3: Staro Belsk in Luhansk. So obviously this is ratcheting up
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Speaker 3: the entire escalation ladder on this here, Moscow's cup of
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Speaker 3: resilience has overflowed. This is according to the Foreign ministry,
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Speaker 3: so their patients not to mistake Russia's patients with their
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Speaker 3: sort of inability to fight, which is generally what NATO
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Speaker 3: does on these sort of situations consistently. This is why
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Speaker 3: we're in this situation. We're in here now. You hear
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Speaker 3: a lot of this talk Mike about NATO, US pulling
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Speaker 3: back out of NATO. We hear that instantly they're threatening
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Speaker 3: to pull out, They're going to withdraw, they're not going
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Speaker 3: to support Europe. But the same time you see this,
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Speaker 3: Russia warns against sending more troops to its border. Five
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Speaker 3: thousand US troops to Poland is scheduled, So I guess
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Speaker 3: they're really not scaling back. Well, we're going to tell
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Speaker 3: you about it. You know, it's a shell game. It's
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Speaker 3: a bit of a shell game. So we're just pointing
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Speaker 3: out some of the inconsistencies on that. But suffice to say,
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Speaker 3: last thing is the situation is very serious. If people,
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Speaker 3: you know, if we in the Western public don't know
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Speaker 3: what Moscow is saying, the Moscow saying, we're going to
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Speaker 3: hit the source of attacks against US, even if those
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Speaker 3: are manufacturers of drones in Europe or Germany, or US
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Speaker 3: bases in Germany or German basis or Polish bases. That's
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Speaker 3: a serious thing that could lead to an escalation in
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Speaker 3: a wider war. Wouldn't you want to know what the
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Speaker 3: Russian Foreign Ministry is saying? Why do we block Russian
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Speaker 3: websites because they don't want They want to keep the
19:55
Speaker 3: West in a little information bubble, a ghetto wised information space.
19:59
Speaker 3: So when in Russia does strike those targets after warning
20:02
Speaker 3: for two straight years, stop hitting us with your drones
20:05
Speaker 3: and missiles from Ukraine, NATO missiles and NATO drones, We'll
20:10
Speaker 3: just be here haplessly in the West saying, oh my god,
20:12
Speaker 3: look at Putin's aggression. And the warnings have been there
20:15
Speaker 3: consistently for two years. That's why they censor Russian media
20:19
Speaker 3: in the West. They don't want you to know what's coming.
20:22
Speaker 3: They just want you to react to their narrative.
20:26
Speaker 1: And so it's interesting you mentioned that. So let's talk
20:29
Speaker 1: about what the Russian Foreign Ministry is saying. Let's bring
20:31
Speaker 1: it on screen, because what they're saying is this. In
20:34
Speaker 1: the early hours of May the twenty second, the Nazi
20:37
Speaker 1: Kiev regime carried out a bloody terrorist attack on the
20:41
Speaker 1: academic building and dormitory of the Lugansk State Pedacological University
20:45
Speaker 1: College at Storoblesk. They used four fixed wing UAVs. That's,
20:51
Speaker 1: of course drones, and so that's what the Russian Ministry
20:55
Speaker 1: Form Affairs are saying we could go now. Since then,
20:58
Speaker 1: many voices, including PUT have echoed that statement, with particularly
21:02
Speaker 1: a particular focus on the terrorism claim. Now, I want
21:06
Speaker 1: to remind everyone that attacks like this are being carried
21:09
Speaker 1: out using drones paid for by US, by British taxpayers.
21:14
Speaker 1: So if you just remember this from last month, the
21:18
Speaker 1: UK has announced the biggest ever drone package for Ukraine,
21:20
Speaker 1: delivering at least one hundred and twenty drones for Ukraine
21:24
Speaker 1: this year and driving growth and jobs across the UK.
21:28
Speaker 1: So it's great because people in the UK can earn
21:31
Speaker 1: lots of money based on the deaths of people in
21:35
Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia. The new package, they said at that time,
21:38
Speaker 1: is the largest of this kind ever supplied by the UK,
21:40
Speaker 1: will include thousands of long range strike drones, intelligence reconnaissance drones,
21:44
Speaker 1: the just six drones and maritime capabilities which are all
21:47
Speaker 1: bad in approval sorry, battle proven on Ukraine's front line,
21:52
Speaker 1: and they said the delivery of these udrones Ukraine have
21:55
Speaker 1: already started this month. So this commitment that I've just
22:00
Speaker 1: talked about was the result of a January sixteenth, twenty
22:04
Speaker 1: twenty five, agreement signed by Prime Secure Starmer at the
22:08
Speaker 1: time and Zelenski that was entitled the Agreement of a
22:14
Speaker 1: one hundred year Partnership. It established a framework, as they described,
22:19
Speaker 1: a deep in cooperation and especially in defense and security.
22:23
Speaker 1: So it's taken them a year to get to the
22:25
Speaker 1: point of actually rolling this side and well that we're
22:30
Speaker 1: seeing the consequences of it. And of course, as we
22:32
Speaker 1: talked about in last week's program, Patrick, the use of
22:37
Speaker 1: the increasing use of these drones and the increasing willingness
22:41
Speaker 1: apart willingness by Russia to retaliate is resulting in exactly
22:45
Speaker 1: the kind of narratives and the mainstream press basically saying,
22:49
Speaker 1: because today, of course we've got this news of a
22:52
Speaker 1: drone falling on a building in Romania, which they're claiming
22:56
Speaker 1: is a Russian drone. I'm highly skeptical about that, but
22:59
Speaker 1: they're already saying that Russia is stepping across the line
23:02
Speaker 1: at this point, and so the determination to make sure
23:05
Speaker 1: that we are, you know, increasing the pressure on this
23:09
Speaker 1: whole situation out Britain and Ukraine, as a result of
23:13
Speaker 1: these agreements, has set up joint drone companies such as
23:17
Speaker 1: this one. This is I'm not even to try to
23:22
Speaker 1: pronounce it, actually respect Systems, Euchrespec Systems. This has opened
23:27
Speaker 1: a new defense plant in the UK. By that I
23:30
Speaker 1: mean a war plant. They manufacture hundreds of drones monthly
23:34
Speaker 1: for the Ukrainian defense forces. And then we have this
23:37
Speaker 1: lot this is sketing or skiding, I'm not quite sure
23:42
Speaker 1: again how to pronounce that. And they work in collaboration
23:44
Speaker 1: with a British company called Prevailed Partners, and this is
23:50
Speaker 1: again creating Prevailed Partners, by the way, as a defense
23:53
Speaker 1: and intelligence firm founded by UK special forces. They've created
23:59
Speaker 1: a new anti called Skating Prevail Solutions. And this joint
24:04
Speaker 1: venture is going to produce Ukrainian design drones such as
24:07
Speaker 1: Raybird three. But we're also paying for at least a
24:10
Speaker 1: dozen other types of drones, including wind Racers Ultra, which
24:15
Speaker 1: is a heavy left long range drone altus six hundred
24:19
Speaker 1: meter and seven hundred m, a loitering drone as it
24:22
Speaker 1: is described, supplied by N Durrell in the UK. We
24:25
Speaker 1: talked about them in the past to monitor areas and
24:27
Speaker 1: strike forces. The Darts Too fifty, which is a one
24:30
Speaker 1: way attack electronics warfare drone, the attack of our AR
24:34
Speaker 1: three which is a reconnoist drone quotes utilized for intelligence
24:37
Speaker 1: gathering and surveillance. Then there's the Project Octobus drone to
24:41
Speaker 1: hunt and destroy enemy drones amongst a whole host of
24:44
Speaker 1: other drones. Is quite incredible. Just how much money belonging
24:49
Speaker 1: to us as taxpayers is being spent on these killing machines.
24:55
Speaker 3: And you know that, you think it's harmless. Or we
24:57
Speaker 3: have a right to hit Russian to targets through our
25:01
Speaker 3: proxy Ukraine. That's what the West tells themselves, we have
25:04
Speaker 3: a right to do that because of Russia's aggression in
25:07
Speaker 3: February twenty twenty two. That is just a fallacious argument.
25:10
Speaker 3: It's dangerous as well, because the future of warfare in
25:13
Speaker 3: this case isn't going to really begin and end with drones.
25:17
Speaker 3: It's going to end with missiles. It's going to end
25:19
Speaker 3: with Kinshaw's arrestniks, nuclear armed missiles, inter intermediate range ballistic
25:25
Speaker 3: missiles coming from Russia hitting European targets. Why not just
25:28
Speaker 3: avoid all of that and come to some kind of
25:31
Speaker 3: political settlement. No, because we have a military industrial complex
25:35
Speaker 3: that we want to feed and grow so that everybody
25:37
Speaker 3: can get filthy rich. Meanwhile, we're pushing our everybody Europe
25:41
Speaker 3: to the precipice of a conflict where there is no
25:45
Speaker 3: coming back once you cross that line.
25:47
Speaker 1: I'll just correct that slightly. It's not everyone that's going
25:50
Speaker 1: to get filthy riches, only the Epstein class. The rest
25:53
Speaker 1: of us might continue at our minimum wage jobs.
25:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, those at the ground level of the IPO of
25:58
Speaker 3: all these wonderful defense companies. It's like Andrrell and Palans
26:02
Speaker 3: here and so forth. So very much AI driven. Now,
26:05
Speaker 3: the third length of these three conflicts here that we
26:08
Speaker 3: want to warn about, of course, is Cuba. Will bring
26:10
Speaker 3: this up on screen right here, and we just found
26:13
Speaker 3: out an interesting report here thanks to the Independent. They
26:17
Speaker 3: probably did one of the best summaries on this. UK
26:19
Speaker 3: Independent military has spent months building up ships and personnel
26:23
Speaker 3: in the Caribbean and is ready for an invasion of Cuba.
26:27
Speaker 3: So I think it's now beyond speculation. This is the plan.
26:31
Speaker 3: Donald Trump thinks he can get an easy win. He's
26:33
Speaker 3: found somebody he can pick on, they won't really be
26:36
Speaker 3: able to hit back in a serious way. Well we'll
26:38
Speaker 3: see what kind of resistance Cuba puts up. But this
26:42
Speaker 3: war is on the cards now, and a lot of
26:44
Speaker 3: people will support this. They'll say, well, it's a communist country,
26:47
Speaker 3: therefore they deserve to be invaded, and if there's any
26:50
Speaker 3: collateral jammage, well just so be it. It's the evil Commis,
26:53
Speaker 3: so therefore we're somehow justified in doing that. So forget
26:57
Speaker 3: about international law of course, or the UA and Charter.
27:00
Speaker 3: So that's happening, And just on the media front, I
27:04
Speaker 3: just want to show you a classic example here of
27:07
Speaker 3: real disinformation, brought to you by Rupert Murdoch's The Times.
27:12
Speaker 3: Notice the headline Trump wargames the US response to chaos
27:17
Speaker 3: in Cuba. So the implication here is that Cuba's in chaos.
27:20
Speaker 3: They're in economic chaos because they can't manage their economy.
27:24
Speaker 3: No mention of sanctions, no mention of the embargo killing
27:27
Speaker 3: any gas or fuel deliveries into that country. So I
27:32
Speaker 3: think this is just one hundred percent unadulterated propaganda, and
27:37
Speaker 3: so we're going to say that's exactly what it is.
27:39
Speaker 3: So this is how our mainstream media. That's how they
27:42
Speaker 3: operate in advance of a war. They're prepping the public
27:46
Speaker 3: with this type of skull plugging that they do so
27:50
Speaker 3: well to give you just a really distorted view of
27:54
Speaker 3: reality to say, well it sort of yeah, this is inevitable.
27:57
Speaker 3: We just get ready for the war. So there's that one.
28:00
Speaker 3: We'll be reporting on more of that in the future.
28:03
Speaker 1: So a few minutes ago, Patrick was asking how many
28:06
Speaker 1: troops is Trump deploying in Europe. Well, look, since around
28:10
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, UK Colin's been warning about the militarization of
28:13
Speaker 1: Europe and particularly the creation of a Defense Union, which
28:16
Speaker 1: will put command and control of Member States militaries in
28:19
Speaker 1: the hands of Ursula, vonder Lean or whoever the next
28:23
Speaker 1: great dictator will be. Now, we've also been warning that
28:27
Speaker 1: the rhetoric coming from the United States under Donald Trump
28:29
Speaker 1: is a key driver. Now it's a key driver that
28:32
Speaker 1: has been used by Britain actually mainly to propagandize the
28:35
Speaker 1: Europeans to push for this, and it has been really
28:38
Speaker 1: successful over the last particularly the last year eighteen months,
28:42
Speaker 1: but the pressure from Trump is continuing. As reported by
28:46
Speaker 1: Fox News here, they're basically saying that the US has
28:49
Speaker 1: told allies it will gradually scale down the number of
28:52
Speaker 1: strategic bombers, fighter jets, drones, and submarines and warships dedicated
28:57
Speaker 1: to NATO for redeployment elsewhere. Well, this is part of
29:00
Speaker 1: the plan that we've been talking about for quite some time.
29:03
Speaker 1: It was instated multiple times by multiple people within or
29:07
Speaker 1: connected to the US administration that the US wants to
29:10
Speaker 1: refocus aside from Iran on the South China Sea and
29:15
Speaker 1: they want the European Union to look after the European theater.
29:19
Speaker 1: So this was announcement was made as part of a
29:22
Speaker 1: closed door meeting of NATO policy director's last Friday by
29:27
Speaker 1: Pentagon advisor Alexander Valles Green. And that's according to two
29:34
Speaker 1: NATO diplomats who were offered anonymity to speak freely. But anyway,
29:39
Speaker 1: the trouble is that Trump is inconsistent in his messaging
29:43
Speaker 1: because and Patrick is what Patrick was alluding to earlier,
29:46
Speaker 1: because he announced that they would pull five thousand troops
29:49
Speaker 1: out of Germany, which later turned out to include four
29:52
Speaker 1: thousand troops coming out of Poland, before changing his mind
29:55
Speaker 1: and saying it would deploy an additional five thousand troops
29:57
Speaker 1: to Poland. But nonetheless the apparent inconsistencies are working. They
30:03
Speaker 1: completely destabilize the EU and they don't know which way
30:06
Speaker 1: is up. So they are reacting and exactly the way
30:08
Speaker 1: they're supposed to by re arming at a writ that
30:11
Speaker 1: hasn't been really seen since the Second World War. And
30:13
Speaker 1: of course it's all being paid for with deficit spending.
30:16
Speaker 3: Patrick, Well, look when they say dedicated to NATO bombers,
30:20
Speaker 3: fighter jets, it's not dedicated to NATO. It's dedicated to
30:24
Speaker 3: the United States extension of their power. Because they run NATO,
30:28
Speaker 3: they decide what actions NATO is going to take. NATO
30:31
Speaker 3: is just a fig leaf. It's a protection racket for
30:34
Speaker 3: the US led military industrial complex, and it's a way
30:38
Speaker 3: for the US to flex its muscles globally without having
30:42
Speaker 3: to go by Congress, for instance, is able to do
30:45
Speaker 3: it through multilateral institutions. As we've said before, that's how
30:49
Speaker 3: the US is exercise power since the Second War, through
30:53
Speaker 3: multi controlling and working through multilateral institutions like NATO is
30:59
Speaker 3: a US imperial organ basically, so again, and the Europeans
31:05
Speaker 3: would feel I'm a lot less confident to be talking
31:07
Speaker 3: tough and doing the sort of rhetoric they're doing if
31:10
Speaker 3: the United States was not backing them up or standing
31:13
Speaker 3: behind them, And that's the whole point. This is all
31:16
Speaker 3: theater that we are watching right now.
31:18
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But of course there are more than European and
31:21
Speaker 1: the United States and European countries in the United States
31:24
Speaker 1: and NTO, so it's maybe no surprise then a more
31:27
Speaker 1: and more bilateral agreements continue to be created. So Poland
31:30
Speaker 1: and Canada on Wednesday signed an agreement to expand military
31:35
Speaker 1: and industrial corporate cooperation under the European Unions see if
31:39
Speaker 1: that's SAFA, the acronym Rearmament Program. And of course they're
31:44
Speaker 1: the usual rhetoric pledging closer defense ties through projects including
31:48
Speaker 1: weapons procurement and joint Arctic drills. But while their defense
31:52
Speaker 1: minister was in Ottawa, the Prime Minister, Donald Tusk was
31:55
Speaker 1: in London, where he and Keir Starmer. This was on
31:59
Speaker 1: Wednesday signed and security treaty aimed at strengthening military cooperation
32:04
Speaker 1: and conjuring growing security threats across Europe. Again that's their language,
32:10
Speaker 1: and speaking before he left London, Tusk said that Poland
32:14
Speaker 1: wanted to bring relations to Britain to the highest possible level.
32:17
Speaker 1: With particular focus again on security and defense against Russia.
32:22
Speaker 1: And that was absolutely to Tusks focus in Russia, of course,
32:25
Speaker 1: which is never far from his mind.
32:27
Speaker 3: And wait a minute, all of these security threats against
32:30
Speaker 3: Europe are all a direct result of US covert activity
32:35
Speaker 3: and military interventions. Doesn't that meantion interesting? The US makes
32:38
Speaker 3: the problem and then they sort of control the reaction
32:42
Speaker 3: and supply the solution, and the Europeans are completely happy
32:46
Speaker 3: to be on board with that whole sham. Basically absolutely.
32:51
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Speaker 1: at seven for that. At nine, Carlza is suggesting that
33:53
Speaker 1: China is winning the narrative and the West knows it. Well,
33:56
Speaker 1: let's see whether that's the case or not at nine
33:58
Speaker 1: pm tonight. And we'd like to just highlight this article
34:02
Speaker 1: on the UK column website, Trump's war on Native America
34:06
Speaker 1: in the shadow of from US. So he's looking at
34:09
Speaker 1: what Trump is doing with the the nations in the
34:12
Speaker 1: United States. So have a read at that if you can, Basil,
34:16
Speaker 1: let me welcome you to the program. And of course,
34:20
Speaker 1: earlier in the week, Tony Blair decided that he had
34:23
Speaker 1: been silent for too long. Unfortunately.
34:27
Speaker 8: Yes, that's right, Mike. We stopped making how horror films
34:31
Speaker 8: in Britain in the mid nineteen seventies, but who needs
34:35
Speaker 8: them when we've got a Goouli zombie of our own
34:39
Speaker 8: ready to come out of the crypt at the drop
34:42
Speaker 8: of a hat Tony Blair writing a five and a
34:45
Speaker 8: half thousand word essay this week calling for, of course,
34:50
Speaker 8: more war, more billionaires, more AI, more power to the
34:55
Speaker 8: tech bros, less for welfare, less for their health service.
35:01
Speaker 8: It really is a typically abysmal intervention. We're all rather
35:06
Speaker 8: sick of it. Tony Blair's cure is the disease, it
35:10
Speaker 8: says Owen Jones, and he's absolutely right. Quite apart from
35:13
Speaker 8: the fact, of course that Blair should be in the hague,
35:17
Speaker 8: he should be in the dark. He has committed the
35:20
Speaker 8: ultimate crime of an unprovoked war, and the cure he's
35:25
Speaker 8: offering more neoliberalism is, as Owen Jones says, actually the
35:30
Speaker 8: cause of our disease. The reason why the far right
35:33
Speaker 8: is so popular because British politics has failed ordinary people
35:39
Speaker 8: over the last i would say forty five years since
35:43
Speaker 8: that terrible day in May nineteen seventy nine when Margaret
35:46
Speaker 8: Thatcher became Prime Minister of Britain. The Morning Star reporting
35:53
Speaker 8: an almost infinite capacity for self delusion look in the
35:57
Speaker 8: mirror Blair and Ian Dune in The Independent, writing Tony
36:02
Speaker 8: Blair's downfall is complete. What a sad, irrelevant end. If
36:08
Speaker 8: only Unfortunately he still gets platformed Nick Robinson giving him
36:12
Speaker 8: a softball interview on the BBC Today program this week,
36:17
Speaker 8: and generally as a former prime minister, regardless of the
36:20
Speaker 8: crimes he's committed, or indeed the destruction he wrought on
36:23
Speaker 8: the Labor Party, his voice is still amplified way beyond
36:28
Speaker 8: in my view it's importance or relevance. All he's done
36:33
Speaker 8: since leaving office is lining his own pockets. And here,
36:38
Speaker 8: finally we have stopped the war coalition and indeed, Chris
36:43
Speaker 8: Ninham of defend our juries, when will we slay the
36:47
Speaker 8: ghost of Tony Blair, not just Blair himself but his ideas,
36:54
Speaker 8: because of course that neoliberalism remains very much in charge
37:00
Speaker 8: of the Labor Party, as indeed it does all the
37:03
Speaker 8: parties that will be contesting the Makerfield by election, with
37:08
Speaker 8: the possible exception of the Greens, although they've now decided
37:10
Speaker 8: to run only really a paper candidate. Now joining me
37:15
Speaker 8: to dissect Blair's latest foray back into the world of
37:20
Speaker 8: politics is former Labor MP for Derby, now the Deputy
37:23
Speaker 8: Leader of the Worker's Party of Britain, Chris Williamson. Welcome
37:27
Speaker 8: to the program, Chris.
37:29
Speaker 3: Gook to be here. Abuzza.
37:31
Speaker 8: Now you've published an excellent essay on Facebook pointing out
37:35
Speaker 8: how Blair's legacy is one of well just sort of
37:41
Speaker 8: corruption and greed, a continuation of Thatterism, and what the
37:44
Speaker 8: Labor Party really needs is a return to the politics
37:50
Speaker 8: that brought us an economy where you could buy a
37:53
Speaker 8: house for or three times the average salary. The nineteen
37:57
Speaker 8: seventies have been decried, but in fact, in many ways
38:02
Speaker 8: sorts of metrics, living standards were better then than they
38:05
Speaker 8: are now, weren't they, Chris.
38:09
Speaker 2: That's absolutely right to Basil. Then if you can hear me,
38:11
Speaker 2: I seem to have lost you from my Yeah we
38:15
Speaker 2: could hear you.
38:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely right, Yes, I mean the nineteen seventies
38:20
Speaker 4: well is look indeed a good period for of working
38:24
Speaker 4: class people because you'd say living standards were better, there
38:29
Speaker 4: was access to good quality, secure employment for millions of people.
38:35
Speaker 4: But this subsision with neoliberalism and globalization that Tony Blair
38:39
Speaker 4: seems to be trying to promote once again has actually
38:44
Speaker 4: been disastrous for the working class in Britain and has
38:48
Speaker 4: seen the jobs which were previously available to people being
38:51
Speaker 4: offshore to other countries where the companies can extract bigger
38:56
Speaker 4: profits than they were able to do in this country.
38:59
Speaker 4: So if we remember after the war, in places like Japan,
39:04
Speaker 4: we're building British there because under license and in Britain
39:08
Speaker 4: led the world in manufacturing. You know, we had a
39:12
Speaker 4: very vibrant car of motyc Literati shipbuilding industry. You know,
39:16
Speaker 4: manufacturing was a very significant player in the British economy.
39:19
Speaker 4: That is no longer the case, and that's as a
39:22
Speaker 4: direct consequence of the neoliberal agenda that Tony Blair and
39:27
Speaker 4: Margaret Thatcher foisted up on the country. I think it
39:32
Speaker 4: does actually go back a little bit further than the
39:35
Speaker 4: election of Margaret Thatcher. I think the rot really started
39:38
Speaker 4: after Harold Wilson stepped down as Prime Minister in nineteen
39:42
Speaker 4: seventy six.
39:43
Speaker 9: And Dennis Healy went to the International Monetary Fund that
39:49
Speaker 9: year for a loan which was never fully drawn down,
39:51
Speaker 9: was never needed, and he subsequently admitted that it was the.
39:54
Speaker 4: Wrong thing to do. So you know, we've we've really
39:58
Speaker 4: been let down, i think by political class in this country.
40:02
Speaker 4: And therefore I think, you know, rather than more of
40:05
Speaker 4: the same, essentially as a tourney, Blair is offering what
40:08
Speaker 4: we should be doing is really, you know, investing in
40:11
Speaker 4: the in the economy, investing in our public services, and
40:15
Speaker 4: a big uplift in social security benefits as well are
40:18
Speaker 4: absolutely essential, not just to lift the living standards of
40:21
Speaker 4: the people who are languishing of very low social security payments,
40:26
Speaker 4: but that would also help, I think, to grow the
40:29
Speaker 4: economy as well. But I would like to see, and
40:31
Speaker 4: I think what's desperately needed in the way in which
40:33
Speaker 4: you're going to get out of this malaise is if
40:35
Speaker 4: indeed we we you know, we have an interventionist government
40:38
Speaker 4: that does invest in the economy, that that does, you know,
40:43
Speaker 4: support our public services.
40:45
Speaker 2: And everybody benefits from that.
40:46
Speaker 4: We are supposed to be the fifth BIG's economy in
40:48
Speaker 4: the world, aren't we a basil?
40:49
Speaker 2: And yet you know we've we've got.
40:54
Speaker 4: Opic services, you're sure, in meldown, our infrastructures falling to
40:58
Speaker 4: the pieces. And it's certainly commensarate with the with the.
41:02
Speaker 2: Country whose economy is as I say that the fifth biggest.
41:05
Speaker 4: In a way, I think what I would like to
41:07
Speaker 4: see is is the sort of embracing the the approach
41:12
Speaker 4: that the Luddites did all those years ago, because they
41:14
Speaker 4: weren't against technology.
41:16
Speaker 10: What they said was that, you know, new technology should
41:18
Speaker 10: be our servant, not our masters. So I think what
41:21
Speaker 10: we want to see, if we're talking about the eyes,
41:23
Speaker 10: to make sure that the benefits of that are actually
41:27
Speaker 10: shared amongst you know, the populace at large role being
41:32
Speaker 10: in staffled as that is at the moment, all these
41:34
Speaker 10: kind of benefits and technology being large made staff by
41:38
Speaker 10: super rich elites and the.
41:41
Speaker 2: Completely unacceptable. And so I say we need, we need
41:44
Speaker 2: a new broach rare that you.
41:46
Speaker 4: Know, we heating the sort of neoliberal agenda that that
41:50
Speaker 4: Tony Blair was so keen on preserving after he came
41:53
Speaker 4: to power in nineteen ninety seven, said his job wasn't
41:55
Speaker 4: to tear down the archfactory done't, but but to actually
41:59
Speaker 4: build their achievements.
42:02
Speaker 8: We had a commonwealth following the execution of Charles the
42:06
Speaker 8: First three hundred years ago. Perhaps we'll have a commonly
42:10
Speaker 8: shared wealth after the reign of Charles the Third. It
42:14
Speaker 8: was indeed Thatcher, the shopkeeper's daughter, who brought in that
42:18
Speaker 8: kind of well frankly idiotic understanding of economics, attempting to
42:24
Speaker 8: run the British economy like a corner shop and it
42:29
Speaker 8: seems Rachel Reeves is determined to do the same. But
42:34
Speaker 8: government macroeconomics doesn't work in the same way as a pocketbook,
42:38
Speaker 8: does it. Quiz why have we abandoned that the Knesianism
42:42
Speaker 8: that brought us prosperity in the later part of the
42:44
Speaker 8: twentieth century.
42:46
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding from the likes
42:49
Speaker 4: of Rachel Reaves, whether deliberate or otherwise. But you know,
42:53
Speaker 4: the economy doesn't run like a household, and I think,
42:58
Speaker 4: you know, it's important.
42:59
Speaker 2: That we that we recognize that the people understand that, you.
43:03
Speaker 4: Know, austerity and all the problems that we're experiencing are
43:05
Speaker 4: a political choice. As to why we abandoned Kencanism in
43:09
Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies, I mean, look, there was a lot
43:12
Speaker 4: of opposition to Kensinism right from the get go. You know,
43:16
Speaker 4: the likes of Milton Friedman and FRIEDA.
43:19
Speaker 3: Kayak.
43:20
Speaker 4: You know, they were the kind of godfathers of neo liberalism.
43:23
Speaker 4: You know that they were seen as you know, completely
43:26
Speaker 4: off the wall. But these were fighting that sort of
43:28
Speaker 4: the reguard action. And I don't think a Kencianism was
43:32
Speaker 4: ever fully properly embraced in the way in which you know,
43:35
Speaker 4: Kanes were sort of set out in you know, in
43:37
Speaker 4: the first instance, but you know, by a large measure
43:40
Speaker 4: that did inform I think governments, you know, across the West.
43:44
Speaker 2: I think it was Russian Nixon actually was one of
43:46
Speaker 2: the American presidents. Anyway, you said, we're all Kinesians down.
43:49
Speaker 4: But because the oil price shock that occurred in the
43:52
Speaker 4: in the nineteen seventies, gained the opportunity, I think to
43:56
Speaker 4: those kind of near and the brawls to say, well,
43:58
Speaker 4: and it was completely false argument, but they used the
44:02
Speaker 4: argument to say, well, look working, you know, we had
44:06
Speaker 4: higher inflation, and this was all down to the the
44:09
Speaker 4: in authorrises. But if the government had been more interventional
44:13
Speaker 4: and stuff, of course we could have gone over that problem.
44:16
Speaker 2: You know, the government should have intervened and subsidized the.
44:18
Speaker 4: The cost of the younger writing, cost of leadership for
44:22
Speaker 4: business and consumers. They have the ability to do that
44:27
Speaker 4: because we are being floating for the currency ever since
44:29
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy one, when the so called bretain Wood's Agreement
44:32
Speaker 4: was abandoned by Richard Nixon, which was an agreement that
44:36
Speaker 4: was thrashed out at the end of the Second World
44:39
Speaker 4: War and basically linked to currencies like excuse like found
44:44
Speaker 4: Stirling to the dollar. The dollar was linked to the
44:48
Speaker 4: value of gold. But that was a very effective and
44:53
Speaker 4: seductive argument that they know, the neoliberals and right wingers
44:56
Speaker 4: and everybody who did really support the sort of post
45:00
Speaker 4: war consensus, and they you know, they sort of seized
45:02
Speaker 4: on that.
45:04
Speaker 2: And it was made easier for than those I've said
45:08
Speaker 2: because of what Dennis Heely.
45:10
Speaker 4: Did in nineteen seventy six when he went to the
45:12
Speaker 4: International Money Fund of the false premise and I think
45:15
Speaker 4: it was three point nine billion dollars. I mean, there
45:19
Speaker 4: was an attack on the pound pound sterling and that's
45:21
Speaker 4: what he was concerned about.
45:22
Speaker 2: Did it subsequently admit he'd made a mistake. It was wrong.
45:24
Speaker 4: He was badly advised by his advisors. But there were
45:28
Speaker 4: other alternatives that were available to the government. They just
45:32
Speaker 4: chose not to do them. And some people take the
45:34
Speaker 4: view that people like Healy and Callaghan after he took
45:37
Speaker 4: over from from Harold at Wilson, were somewhat of be
45:42
Speaker 4: dazzled by monetarism and were looking for a way of
45:46
Speaker 4: or actually you know, implementing and moving away from the
45:48
Speaker 4: Knesian approach and embracing monistition.
45:53
Speaker 2: Whether that was the motivation a lot, I don't know
45:55
Speaker 2: what it did do.
45:56
Speaker 4: Of course by taking that, though in exchange the im
46:00
Speaker 4: insisted on significant austerity men and that led directly to
46:06
Speaker 4: the industrial disputes of the late nineteen seventies and the
46:09
Speaker 4: winter of seventy eight seventy nine, which was dubbed by
46:12
Speaker 4: the corporate media.
46:13
Speaker 2: As the Winter of dis Intent.
46:15
Speaker 4: Now that gave Thatcher real thought of political boost as
46:18
Speaker 4: it weren't an opportunity to make political capital out of that,
46:22
Speaker 4: and certainly helped her into government.
46:25
Speaker 2: And then she sort of turbo charge.
46:27
Speaker 4: The agenda that Callaghan and Heally and that Labor government
46:32
Speaker 4: had been the sewing. And then of course Tony Black
46:35
Speaker 4: into power in nineteen ninety seven. So I think I
46:37
Speaker 4: was saying earlier he said his job wasn't to tear
46:40
Speaker 4: down what fact did, but to build on her a teament.
46:42
Speaker 4: So we've been saddled with this flawed economic agenda which
46:47
Speaker 4: has played have it, frankly, hasn't it with the standard
46:52
Speaker 4: of the quality of life for ordinary working class people.
46:55
Speaker 2: I think back to my own experience as a working
46:57
Speaker 2: class kid.
46:58
Speaker 4: You know, growing up in the sixties and seventies, leaving school,
47:00
Speaker 4: we know qualifications in nineteen seventy two working in a
47:03
Speaker 4: factory and then in the building trade. And you know,
47:06
Speaker 4: I also to shared this anecdote that just as a
47:08
Speaker 4: nineteen year old apprentice bricklayer with my girlfriend whoc went
47:12
Speaker 4: on to come my wife and she just worked as
47:15
Speaker 4: a telephonist for the city council, and we saved up
47:18
Speaker 4: for about a year.
47:19
Speaker 2: It's seem a long time when we've seen it, just saving.
47:21
Speaker 4: Up for a year and beforegoing going out to the
47:23
Speaker 4: discos of one figure and let's we saved John.
47:25
Speaker 2: But we were able to buy a brand new three
47:26
Speaker 2: bedroom desirable property in backing onto a waterfront. You know,
47:32
Speaker 2: I mean it's thinkable now.
47:34
Speaker 4: I means three times when I was earning as an
47:36
Speaker 4: apprentice and I looked actually at some figures on Zoopla
47:43
Speaker 4: back a few years ago now actually about property that
47:46
Speaker 4: I've purchased for ten pounds in nineteen seventy six and
47:49
Speaker 4: had just been solved in I think it was about
47:50
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen. I'd just been solved for
47:53
Speaker 4: over three hundred thousand, well beyond the capacity of you know,
47:57
Speaker 4: the equivalent young apprentice Brittany.
48:01
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen or fifteen, whenever it was.
48:04
Speaker 4: To buy that property, to aspire to buy that property,
48:07
Speaker 4: which sort of returns at the sort of thing that
48:11
Speaker 4: you know, my dad, when he was working in the
48:13
Speaker 4: boiling trade, used to build this, but was never able
48:16
Speaker 4: to aspire to own.
48:17
Speaker 3: One, Chris.
48:20
Speaker 8: The lie of trickle down economics, of course one of
48:23
Speaker 8: the new mythology, I would say, of lies that infect
48:27
Speaker 8: our political system. And another one, of course, is that
48:30
Speaker 8: the Labor Party was beset by an anti Semitism crisis
48:33
Speaker 8: in the Corbin era, and you were a victim of
48:36
Speaker 8: that particular lie yourself. I was very surprised to see
48:40
Speaker 8: Tim Lewellen writing in the electron Kintyparna this week pointing
48:44
Speaker 8: out just how egregious these lies have become. A lie
48:49
Speaker 8: has entered the political language most people use. And he
48:52
Speaker 8: was reviewing a book Killing Corbinism, which has come out recently,
48:57
Speaker 8: which details how Rebecca Gordon bid indicates the Zionist regime
49:02
Speaker 8: helped to defeat Corbyn in his attempts to become Prime Minister,
49:06
Speaker 8: bringing a human rights protective British government to power. It
49:10
Speaker 8: never happened, did it? Chris as well? You know, unfortunately
49:14
Speaker 8: we've gotten to leave it there. But Patrick, I know,
49:18
Speaker 8: as a follow on to this, you've got a question
49:21
Speaker 8: you'd like to ask Chris about the attack on his
49:24
Speaker 8: Palestine Declassified program.
49:27
Speaker 3: But only only briefly, But Chris wanted to ask you
49:32
Speaker 3: any update or news about the targeting of your program
49:36
Speaker 3: Palestine to classified? What exactly happened and will will you
49:42
Speaker 3: be fighting this challenge? Give us an update?
49:47
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean what happened was that the studio that
49:50
Speaker 4: we used to record Palestine did Classified was targeted by
49:53
Speaker 4: the Home Office. It was an unsigned as it happened
49:55
Speaker 4: letter from the Home Office threatening to invoke the National
49:59
Speaker 4: Security Acts because they were hosting Palestine be Classified and
50:06
Speaker 4: Pastani Classified. As you probably know, is hosted by STV.
50:12
Speaker 4: I mean that they sort of show the program on
50:15
Speaker 4: their channel PRESSLYV as the Iranian as an Iranian broadcasting company.
50:19
Speaker 2: It was on that basis that they were talking to
50:20
Speaker 2: but they were.
50:21
Speaker 4: Friendly up to five years in prison, you know, having
50:24
Speaker 4: the temerity to host our program.
50:28
Speaker 2: So we've lost access to that studio now, but we
50:30
Speaker 2: have fall back, I mean, and we are continuing to
50:34
Speaker 2: produce the program.
50:35
Speaker 4: It's a slightly different format now, but so we're do
50:38
Speaker 4: any kind of remotely and yeah, we're just going to
50:42
Speaker 4: continue as long as we.
50:43
Speaker 2: As we can.
50:43
Speaker 4: And I think it's really important that, you know, we
50:45
Speaker 4: get the truth out about what's happening in Palestine, getting
50:49
Speaker 4: the truth out about the reality of Zionism. The reality
50:52
Speaker 4: of the zionis recon when the reality actually of the
50:55
Speaker 4: influencer that the Zion is that Israel wields over Great Britain,
51:02
Speaker 4: a British public life, their influence in Parliament, their influence
51:06
Speaker 4: in the media, in industry, in the music industry as well,
51:09
Speaker 4: for example, is very very significant. And you know, a
51:14
Speaker 4: lot of people, well more people are waking up to
51:16
Speaker 4: that fact, but there's still a lot of people are
51:19
Speaker 4: not aware. And one of the things obviously we do
51:21
Speaker 4: on Palistini Classified is to expose this and this is
51:24
Speaker 4: what they cannot accept and that's why they tried to
51:26
Speaker 4: close it out, but.
51:27
Speaker 2: They haven't succeeded. We are carrying on.
51:31
Speaker 3: Appreciate that, Chris, and keep up the great work. We'll
51:34
Speaker 3: be keeping an eye on that situation absolutely and looking
51:37
Speaker 3: forward to your content you can follow. Still Palistine Declassified
51:41
Speaker 3: on their various channels on social media, including their Telegram channel,
51:45
Speaker 3: which I also subscribe to myself.
51:49
Speaker 1: Thank you Chris, and thank you Basil Patrick. Let's move
51:52
Speaker 1: on then, and we'll talk about Israel for a second.
51:54
Speaker 3: Well, let's look at the latest here. Some people are
51:58
Speaker 3: not happy, Oh my goodness, is real furious over the
52:01
Speaker 3: inclusion on the UN sex violence list. If you can
52:05
Speaker 3: just imagine, Israel denounces the UN move as a quote
52:09
Speaker 3: blood libel and are severing ties with UN chief Antonio Gutierres.
52:15
Speaker 3: So here is the story, Jerusalem Post. UN ads Israeli
52:20
Speaker 3: entities to the blacklist of countries that commit systematic sexual violence. Here,
52:25
Speaker 3: and you know, the source for this mic is not
52:27
Speaker 3: only human rights agencies. This is also Israeli human rights
52:31
Speaker 3: agencies like Bet Salem and others, as well as a
52:34
Speaker 3: whole host of other well established international organizations that monitor
52:39
Speaker 3: such things these egregious violations of human rights and mass
52:44
Speaker 3: rape in the prison system. This has all been documented
52:46
Speaker 3: in the Israeli media itself over the years. So how
52:50
Speaker 3: on earth could this be a blood libel? Well, I
52:52
Speaker 3: don't know. Let's ask Danny Dannin, Israel's UN ambassador. This
52:59
Speaker 3: is quite an interesting sort of the little speech here.
53:04
Speaker 3: I don't know how to describe this, but go ahead
53:06
Speaker 3: and roll it.
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Speaker 11: The decision to blacklist is Well and accuse us of
53:13
Speaker 11: using sexual violence as the weapon of war is an
53:17
Speaker 11: outrageous decision. The Secretary in General and his team continue
53:22
Speaker 11: to spread lies against Israel to put us and a
53:27
Speaker 11: masterists on the same list. That's unacceptable. We are a
53:32
Speaker 11: strong democracy. We invited the representatives of the UN to
53:37
Speaker 11: come to Israel to check those ridiculous allegations. They chose
53:42
Speaker 11: not to come. They chose to continue with a campaign
53:46
Speaker 11: against Israel. We saw the lies in the New York Times,
53:50
Speaker 11: and now we see another lie coming from the UN.
53:55
Speaker 11: We are done with this Secretary General.
54:00
Speaker 3: So again, anybody that points out that they're committing genocide,
54:03
Speaker 3: or points out all these egregious systematic violations of human rights,
54:08
Speaker 3: sexual abuse, and so forth, they're all guilty of a
54:11
Speaker 3: blood libel. I guess, So, how's that possible that twelve
54:14
Speaker 3: international agencies are simultaneously conspiring to blood libel the poor Israelis.
54:20
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just kind of ridiculous at this point.
54:23
Speaker 3: So they're going into hyperdrive on their public relations here
54:26
Speaker 3: now I also want to show these are scenes. Right now,
54:28
Speaker 3: we'll bring up on screen. This is the ancient city
54:31
Speaker 3: of Tire in South Lebanon. The Israelis have been bombing.
54:35
Speaker 3: This is a un A UNESCO protected World Heritage Site.
54:38
Speaker 3: Many parts of this city Tire. Just open your Bible
54:41
Speaker 3: if you want to know what Tire is. You can
54:44
Speaker 3: go back to Alexander the Great, or further back to
54:46
Speaker 3: the Egyptians. Why is Israel targeting all of these historic
54:49
Speaker 3: sites in the Levant, that's another question. They've also issued
54:53
Speaker 3: an evacuation order. I find that to be just unbelievable.
54:57
Speaker 3: This is a city I know well, I've spent I'm
55:00
Speaker 3: there even lectured at one of the universities there briefly.
55:04
Speaker 3: So it's a place that is very near and dear
55:06
Speaker 3: to my heart. But so many other people around the world.
55:09
Speaker 3: This is part of World heritage. Why is Israel targeting it?
55:12
Speaker 3: We're going to go here to the next one, and
55:15
Speaker 3: this is Beaufort Castle, again, a major protected Global Heritage site. Here,
55:21
Speaker 3: this is a famous Crusader castle that occupies the high
55:24
Speaker 3: ground very overlooking the Latani River. Again, Beaufort Castle. This
55:29
Speaker 3: is in South Lebanon. Here and as I've stood on
55:32
Speaker 3: that castle and you can see the occupied Palestine on
55:37
Speaker 3: your eyesight, on the eye line on that So why
55:42
Speaker 3: Israel's now bombing this? This is one of the best
55:45
Speaker 3: preserved Crusader castles in the entire levant So it's important
55:50
Speaker 3: part of history, something the Lebanese want to preserve, and
55:53
Speaker 3: of course we should be interested in wanting to preserve it. Israel,
55:56
Speaker 3: on the other hand, wants to bomb it. Little update
56:00
Speaker 3: there from Lebanon. It's just it's quite frankly unbelievable. What's happening, Bazil.
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Speaker 1: Let's come back to you then and we'll finish the
56:10
Speaker 1: program with some more in case you missed it.
56:14
Speaker 8: Yes, thanks Mike. A few choice moments over the last week.
56:20
Speaker 8: First of all, this tweet was taken down very rapidly
56:23
Speaker 8: by APAX. Congressman Massy's defeat on Tuesday sets a clear precedent.
56:29
Speaker 8: Elected officials are free to disagree with us, but only briefly.
56:34
Speaker 8: And that explicit threat to destroy any American politician who
56:41
Speaker 8: dares go against the most extreme Israeli government in history,
56:46
Speaker 8: well you'll get destroyed by fair means or foul, just
56:50
Speaker 8: like Thomas Massey. Next up, five hundred people seriously injured
56:56
Speaker 8: in east scooter collisions in Great Britain last year. Yeah,
57:00
Speaker 8: ten people, all of whom were he scooter riders, were killed,
57:04
Speaker 8: compared with six in twenty twenty four. They are extremely
57:09
Speaker 8: dangerous things. All I can tell you is that I'm
57:11
Speaker 8: more likely to ride the winner of the derby next
57:14
Speaker 8: Saturday than be found atop and E scooter. Next up,
57:20
Speaker 8: here's the next story. In case you missed it this week.
57:26
Speaker 8: The Green I did mention this earlier. The Greens are
57:28
Speaker 8: running a scale back campaign in the Makeupfield by election
57:33
Speaker 8: in a boost for Burnham. Believe it or not, they
57:36
Speaker 8: think Andy Burnham is on the same page as themselves. Well,
57:41
Speaker 8: that remains to be seen. Various people have been contacting
57:44
Speaker 8: Burnham asking him to explicitly denounce the genocide in Gaza,
57:50
Speaker 8: something he has.
57:51
Speaker 1: Yet to do.
57:52
Speaker 8: But there'll be no repeat, it would appear of the
57:55
Speaker 8: Gorton by election for the Greens. They're giving Andy Burnham
58:00
Speaker 8: a fair run. Next up, cartoon illustrating what we all know.
58:08
Speaker 8: Benjamin Nuttin, your who remonstrating there with Donald Trump?
58:12
Speaker 3: I said, no cease.
58:14
Speaker 8: Fire, Donald, go to your room without McDonald's you're grounded
58:19
Speaker 8: as we all know what should do by now. The
58:22
Speaker 8: United States, by Pakistan, was on the verge of securing
58:27
Speaker 8: a lasting piece deal with Iran, one that would have
58:31
Speaker 8: also stopped the slaughter and destruction in Lebanon as well,
58:36
Speaker 8: and the Israelis torpedoed it. They weren't having any of it, don't,
58:41
Speaker 8: believe it or not. In that campaign they were backed
58:43
Speaker 8: up by numerous Democrats on Capitol Hill as well. Believe
58:48
Speaker 8: it or not, the War Party still very much entrenched
58:52
Speaker 8: in Washington. And the last one from me, this is
58:56
Speaker 8: Martin Samuel in the Times. Cold comfort for you. But
59:00
Speaker 8: my house has air conditioning. Mine doesn't. That's why I'm
59:04
Speaker 8: in a short sleeve shirt today, gentlemen. But finally this
59:08
Speaker 8: week it's back to you Patrick and how to save
59:12
Speaker 8: Donald Trump.
59:13
Speaker 3: That's right, Basil, And you know, just to round all
59:15
Speaker 3: all that depressing news, it's time for a feel good story.
59:19
Speaker 3: And we don't have to look. Well, we had to
59:21
Speaker 3: look quite far to find one, so far as Bangladesh
59:25
Speaker 3: Bengali minister saves Donald Trump from a sacrifice, ritual sacrifice.
59:31
Speaker 3: Believe it or not, this is completely a true story.
59:34
Speaker 3: Interior Minister salahudin Ahmed stepped in after a blonde quift.
59:40
Speaker 3: Albino or albino which in Britain albino buffalo sporting the
59:45
Speaker 3: US President's trademark hairweave became a viral sensation. The albino
59:50
Speaker 3: buffalo in Bangladesh, affectionately nicknamed Donald Trump because of his
59:55
Speaker 3: blonde hooft and his resemblance to the US president, spared
59:59
Speaker 3: from Sacer during the Muslim festival of Eid and the
1:00:03
Speaker 3: last minute government intervention here. The rescue was reported on
1:00:08
Speaker 3: Wednesday by multiple outlets. The Home Minister from Bangladesh ordered
1:00:12
Speaker 3: the official stop the sacrifice, refund the buyer of this
1:00:15
Speaker 3: cow and relocate the animal. We've got. We've got the
1:00:19
Speaker 3: clip here and just notice the resemblance. It's uncanny roll in.
1:00:54
Speaker 1: So you're promising me that's not a whig and.
1:00:56
Speaker 3: And just it look just to be sure, unlike the
1:01:00
Speaker 3: US president, that is a completely natural quiff on top
1:01:04
Speaker 3: of that cow is not a hair we from but
1:01:07
Speaker 3: is actually real. So if Home Affairs said, we have
1:01:11
Speaker 3: been told the price of the buffalo will be paid
1:01:14
Speaker 3: or an animal of similar value will be given for sacrifaice.
1:01:17
Speaker 3: The only problem is Mike, everybody in Bangladesh wants this cow. Now,
1:01:21
Speaker 3: this cow is super famous in Bangladesh. But what's funny
1:01:25
Speaker 3: is just a few miles over the border in India
1:01:28
Speaker 3: that is absolutely illegal to even talk about killing a
1:01:32
Speaker 3: colt or a buffalo in this case. But well, incredible,
1:01:36
Speaker 3: the albino buffalo, the albino Bengali buffalo that resembles the
1:01:41
Speaker 3: US president. He has been spared. Glad to hear it.
1:01:45
Speaker 3: Something to go into the weekend with, isn't.
1:01:46
Speaker 1: It absolutely that should put a smile on everyone's faces
1:01:49
Speaker 1: for the weekend And say thank you very much to
1:01:51
Speaker 1: Chris Williamson for joining us today, Basil and Patrick, and
1:01:54
Speaker 1: thanks for everybody that's watching. We will be here in
1:01:58
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes if your UK call a member
1:02:00
Speaker 1: for some UK called news extra. Otherwise, don't forget the
1:02:03
Speaker 1: interviews tonight. Have a great weekend. We will see you
1:02:06
Speaker 1: one pm as usual on Monday
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Speaker 2: M