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SAVANNAH GUTHRIE MOM MISSING: DAY 27 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Breaking news Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie missing, day twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: This as new video footage uncovered of twelve separate vehicles
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  Speaker 2: speeding by in Nancy's neighborhood directly onto her street between
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  Speaker 2: twelve am and six am the very night Nancy is
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  Speaker 2: abducted around to am. Shocker, one of those vehicles that
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  Speaker 2: many people have identified as a Kia Soul, speeds by
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  Speaker 2: just eight minutes after Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker stops connecting to Bluetooth.
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  Speaker 3: What is the significance this?
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  Speaker 2: As we learn many experts believe the ransom were written
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  Speaker 2: by AI, and tonight we discover there is a way
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  Speaker 2: to trace and track that.
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  Speaker 3: Also, we learn that the family.
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  Speaker 2: Is getting the home back. Good move or bad move
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  Speaker 2: on Nanos's part. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 4: Big money that could change the rest of a person's life.
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  Speaker 1: That reduces loyalty.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody who sees a one point two million dollar reward
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  Speaker 2: is going to start.
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  Speaker 4: To think, Hmmm, that boyfriend I dated.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't really like him so much. Now you
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  Speaker 3: know what I like?
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  Speaker 2: The thought of a one point two million reward a
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  Speaker 2: lot more.
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  Speaker 5: We are hoping that the attention that has been given
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  Speaker 5: to our mom and our family will extend to all
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  Speaker 5: the families like ours who are in need and need
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  Speaker 5: prayers and need support. So please, if you hear this message,
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  Speaker 5: if you've been waiting and you haven't been sure, let
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  Speaker 5: this be your sign to please come forward, tell which
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  Speaker 5: you know and help us bring our beloved mom home
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  Speaker 5: so that we can either celebrate a glorious, miraculous homecoming
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  Speaker 5: or celebrate the beautiful, brave and courageous and noble life
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  Speaker 5: that she has lived. Please be the light in the dark.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: At this hour, new video footage has been recovered. Let's
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  Speaker 2: see a look at what the FBI is looking at
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  Speaker 2: along with us. This is a neighbor around two miles
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  Speaker 2: away from Nancy Guthrie's home.
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  Speaker 3: This is from their.
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  Speaker 2: Home cam street facing Why is this significant? This is
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  Speaker 2: aroun our friends over at Fox News Digital. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: look at the vehicles.
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  Speaker 3: They're not just vehicles in the neighborhood. They are vehicles.
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  Speaker 2: This goes right onto Nancy Guthrie Street between twelve thirty
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  Speaker 2: am and six am. Who is out driving around at
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  Speaker 2: the exact time Nancy Guthrie is kidnapped a few blocks
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  Speaker 2: away one of the vehicles, just eight minutes after her
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  Speaker 2: pacemaker disconnects from Bluetooth.
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  Speaker 3: Joining us at All Star panel.
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  Speaker 2: But first of all, straight out to Dave Matt Crime
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  Speaker 2: Stories investigative reporter, Dave, tell me about this video, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Nancy, it's shocking when you look at the video. You're
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  Speaker 6: seeing this ring camera picking up the car driving on
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  Speaker 6: what is considered a back road. It's not a road
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  Speaker 6: that is traveled on a regular basis by a lot
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  Speaker 6: of people, but those familiar with the area Nancy would
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  Speaker 6: note this is a perfect way out of Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood.
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  Speaker 6: And as you mentioned, the two q thirty six am
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  Speaker 6: marker is really important because Nancy's pacemaker attached by Bluetooth
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  Speaker 6: at two twenty eight am. This is about seven and
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  Speaker 6: a half minutes later, the exact amount of time it
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  Speaker 6: takes to drive from Nancy Guthrie's home to this location.
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  Speaker 6: On the ring doorbell camera footage, we're seeing this. This
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  Speaker 6: camera footage was available, Nancy, but it was just outside
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  Speaker 6: of the two miles circumference that law enforcement put up
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  Speaker 6: as their ring around the actual crime scene. It's two
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  Speaker 6: and a half miles away from Nancy Guthries' home, but
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  Speaker 6: again it is an area that leads away from her
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  Speaker 6: neighborhood and it perfectly catches these cars we mentioned a
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  Speaker 6: minute ago. Between midnight and six am that day, twelve
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  Speaker 6: cars traveled down that road, this one at two thirty
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  Speaker 6: six am.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, is this friends at Fox News, let me go
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  Speaker 2: straight out to special guests joining us along with Brian Fitzgibbons.
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  Speaker 3: Eric Drickerson is with US.
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  Speaker 2: Former FBI special agent twenty years who had specialized in
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  Speaker 2: international kidnapping, supervised the FBI Mexico US.
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  Speaker 3: Border Liaison program.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I bet you got some stories to tell international
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  Speaker 2: crimes investigator. Many times in your cases you have used
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  Speaker 2: surveillance video like this, and this was a near miss.
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  Speaker 2: It was just outside that two mile radius where the
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  Speaker 2: FBI and local shriffs were looking.
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  Speaker 3: What do you make of this, Eric, Yeah, and this falls.
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  Speaker 4: In line with their normal investigative procedure what they're going
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  Speaker 4: to be doing. Obviously, they're focusing on the evidence collective
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  Speaker 4: at the scene of the crime, but as they work
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  Speaker 4: further and further away from that epicenter. They're going to
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  Speaker 4: look at cameras. The next logical staff would be to
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  Speaker 4: follow points of entry and exit to the community. They're
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  Speaker 4: going to be looking at what we call choke points
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  Speaker 4: or where vehicles have a tendency or a natural tendency
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  Speaker 4: to flow, and they're going to be trying to put
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  Speaker 4: together additional pieces. When I look at this video, the
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  Speaker 4: unfortunate sidet is obviously the resolution doesn't provide us details
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  Speaker 4: like license plate numbers provide inside, it does provide enough
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  Speaker 4: detail for them to follow up on additional leads and nancy.
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  Speaker 4: This could be something that is significant in the case.
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  Speaker 4: I talked about this before. As they open that circumference
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  Speaker 4: center of the crime, they're going to reveal additional information. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I would like to say whether or not this vehicle
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  Speaker 4: was involved in the actual crime itself. It is of
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  Speaker 4: significant relevance because it was in the area when the
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  Speaker 4: crime occurred. So whether it is directly related to the
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  Speaker 4: criminal activity or to the abduction, or whether or not
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  Speaker 4: they are a valuable piece of evidence in being a witness,
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  Speaker 4: it's still a very very relevant breaking evidence in news.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, guys.
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  Speaker 2: This is Eric Driggerson former FBI special agent twenty years
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  Speaker 2: specializing in international kidnappings, and we're the US Mexico border.
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  Speaker 2: That video from our friends at Fox Now to Brian Fitzgibbons.
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  Speaker 3: You know him well.
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  Speaker 2: He is Director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads
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  Speaker 2: a team of investigators specializing in missing people around the
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  Speaker 2: world trying to recover and extract them.
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  Speaker 3: Former Marine Iraqi war Vet.
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  Speaker 2: Brian, you and I have dealt with a lot of
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  Speaker 2: cases that were cracked because of a car.
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  Speaker 3: Because of a car.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just off the top of my head, these are
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  Speaker 2: two great examples I like to use. Of course, the
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  Speaker 2: devil himself, Brian Coburger, you know, the campus police at
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  Speaker 2: WSU Washington State University in Pullman, Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Found his car first.
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  Speaker 2: Why because a clerk at a gas station quick stop
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  Speaker 2: and there is the King Road address where Brian Coburger
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  Speaker 2: did the worst crimes imaginable.
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  Speaker 3: This clerk at let's just say a quick, quick chip.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a quick chip.
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  Speaker 2: I've been there, but I don't recall the name of
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  Speaker 2: the gas station. Took it upon herself to start combing
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  Speaker 2: through video all on her own, and she sees the
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  Speaker 2: white launcher go by at like four point thirty in
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  Speaker 2: the morning some crazy time and hands it over to police.
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  Speaker 2: They get white Elantra. They then put that out to
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  Speaker 2: all surrounding points and Washington State University.
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  Speaker 1: There's a guy.
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  Speaker 2: Campus security starts going through well who's registered with white Elantra,
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  Speaker 2: Brian Coburger. They go to his apartment, they see the Elantra,
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  Speaker 2: get the tag number and all that, and that's how
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing starts with the white Elantra. Example one,
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  Speaker 2: Molly Tibbett's gorgeous young co ed been studying for her classes,
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  Speaker 2: goes out for a jog daylight.
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  Speaker 3: Hours, let's not attack. The victim goes out for a job.
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  Speaker 2: The last time she's seen, she's having an altercation with
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  Speaker 2: the guy.
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  Speaker 3: Easing by back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: He was identified as the purpose killed her because of
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  Speaker 2: unusual markings on that vehicle caught on home surveillance. I
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  Speaker 2: can name them and name them and name.
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  Speaker 3: Them cars, Point Fitzgibbons. Isn't it true? In major metropolitan
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  Speaker 3: areas there are whole.
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  Speaker 2: Teams like you got homicide, you got robbery, you got
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  Speaker 2: sex crimes, crimes on children. There's a whole team that
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  Speaker 2: works on stolen cars. They identify types, makes, and models
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  Speaker 2: just like that, because every year car manufacturers subtly change
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  Speaker 2: the car to appeal to those people that want to
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  Speaker 2: buy a new car every year.
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  Speaker 3: Who they are, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: They can look at a car and give you them
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  Speaker 2: making models some of the year, just like that. So
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  Speaker 2: already our online sluice have identified one of the vehicles
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  Speaker 2: as a Kia Soul. What do you make of the
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  Speaker 2: car information. Let's take a look at the video some more.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're spot on here, Nancy. And you know one
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  Speaker 7: thing I'll add to this. Very quickly, online sluice identified
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  Speaker 7: that this is a Kia Soul, and I want to
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  Speaker 7: add something. Eric did a great job describing how they're
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  Speaker 7: expanding that radius with collecting video. Sources have reported that
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  Speaker 7: law enforcement has collected nearly ten thousand hours of surveillance
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  Speaker 7: video related to this case. So what does that say
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  Speaker 7: to us? This one happened, This video happened to come.
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  Speaker 4: To Fox News.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, there are tens of thousands of hours that has
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  Speaker 7: not come to Fox News, and that law enforcement is
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  Speaker 7: going through the process of triaging based on the time,
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  Speaker 7: the location of those cameras, the time.
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  Speaker 4: Of the recording and they're starting.
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  Speaker 7: To process that all now. So I think that this
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  Speaker 7: case is far from cold. A lot of leads are
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  Speaker 7: being investigated from this video.
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  Speaker 3: We don't say the C word. I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: hear cold.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, oh, I agree.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why, because a lot has been
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  Speaker 2: made of the fact that, hey, Dave Mac, isn't true.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to circle back to the video, but I
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  Speaker 2: want to clear up a point, Dave.
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  Speaker 3: Matt crimes story is investigative reporter with us.
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  Speaker 2: The FBI is taking a lot of its men and
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  Speaker 2: women from Tucson, and they're relocating to Phoenix, which is
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  Speaker 2: their largest branch, their largest office in Arizona. And I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking about it last night, Dave Mac. Actually I
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  Speaker 2: may have been talking to you about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I could come up with legal theories if I was
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  Speaker 2: sitting out in the woods in a forest in a tent.
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  Speaker 2: But I could do a lot better if I've gotten
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  Speaker 2: my laptop. I have got my iPad, I've got all
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  Speaker 2: my stuff that I use when I am researching.
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  Speaker 3: I can look up the law, I can look up
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  Speaker 3: the facts.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that they are relocating from Tucson and taking
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  Speaker 2: a large number of boots on the ground to Tucson
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  Speaker 2: does not.
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  Speaker 1: Mean this case is cold.
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  Speaker 2: Dave mac what do you know about them relocating a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the force to a Phoenix.
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  Speaker 6: When the FBI investigators are working in Tucson, they're working
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  Speaker 6: out of like a satellite office. But by taking them
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  Speaker 6: back to the main office in Phoenix, where they have
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  Speaker 6: access to all of everything, including all of the experts
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  Speaker 6: sitting next to one another. You mentioned like sitting in
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  Speaker 6: a tent coming up with legal theories. Well, now put
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  Speaker 6: that tent inside of an office with thousands of hours
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  Speaker 6: of experience on this case alone. Now you can get
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  Speaker 6: some movement forward. So no, this moving from Tucson to
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  Speaker 6: Phoenix with a large number of the investigation it really
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  Speaker 6: is a way to put all of their eggs in
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  Speaker 6: a basket that can actually really investigate because they've already
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  Speaker 6: done boots on the ground, Nancy, and they'll have other
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  Speaker 6: research events take place as needed, but they've all seen
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  Speaker 6: the locations. Now they've got to dig in to the
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  Speaker 6: actual data and break it all down. So Phoenix is
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  Speaker 6: stepping it up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Eric Jrickerson, you've handled so many investigations as
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  Speaker 2: has Fitzgibbons. They've turned the house upside down. They've had
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  Speaker 2: federal prosecutors out there to go over it.
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  Speaker 3: We were watching them yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see that footage of them going through, step by
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  Speaker 2: step all the way through the home.
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  Speaker 3: All the way through the outside. There they are. We
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  Speaker 3: got this aerial view from our friends at Fox. Look
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  Speaker 3: at this. They are going past the pool. I noticed
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  Speaker 3: Eric that.
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  Speaker 2: They took a long time and took One guy took
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  Speaker 2: photos at the wrought iron gate as he was leaving
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  Speaker 2: the pool area. They're coming along a side alley, side
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  Speaker 2: walkway to get to the pool that's completely obscured by foliage.
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  Speaker 2: See the guy taking out and taking a picture of
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  Speaker 2: something right there, and he takes it and off they go.
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  Speaker 3: They've done it all. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like the idea which I'm going to discuss
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  Speaker 2: about them releasing the scene. I don't see what's the
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  Speaker 2: hurry in that. Because in the Alex Murdog trial, I
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  Speaker 2: know you remember him, double killer, high profile lawyer out
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  Speaker 2: of South Carolina, they did not release the saying and
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  Speaker 2: guess what, the jury got their guilty verdict after visiting
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  Speaker 2: the crime scene. So I don't believe in releasing the
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  Speaker 2: scene before.
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  Speaker 3: The jury trial.
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  Speaker 2: But that's just me that said, everybody on the ground
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  Speaker 2: has done all they can do. Now it's a matter
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  Speaker 2: of assimulating all of this evidence. You're hearing Dave mac
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  Speaker 2: talk about the thousands and thousands of videos of both
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  Speaker 2: that Wassgibvens, the thousands of video surveillance that they've yet
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  Speaker 2: to go through.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Nancy, the FBI and local authorities have what's called
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  Speaker 4: Evidence response Teams or ERP. They specialize in going through
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  Speaker 4: meticulously going through every piece of possible evidence, including collecting
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  Speaker 4: any any DNA or any physical evidence, or any fingerprints
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  Speaker 4: or any type of evidence from the scene of the crime.
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  Speaker 4: And when they feel they've exhausted all collection, the normal
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  Speaker 4: course of events is then they release that crime scene
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  Speaker 4: back to the owner of the property or the family.
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  Speaker 4: This is normal protocol. Of course, there is the possibility
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  Speaker 4: that something may may be discovered at a later date,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm sure they feel comfortable in the fact that
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  Speaker 4: they have meticulously combed through everything that's available to them.
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  Speaker 2: And Brianus Gibbons joining us from USPA Nationwide Security. Brian
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  Speaker 2: I was telling Hannity last night, who was kind enough
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  Speaker 2: to invite me on. I cannot even remember count all
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  Speaker 2: the nights I would be sitting in the floor at
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  Speaker 2: the office, sitting beside the xerox machine. Everybody else had
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  Speaker 2: gone home at the district attorney's office, surrounded by stacks
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  Speaker 2: of paper, each one a pile like witness statements, legal arguments,
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  Speaker 2: DNA reports, just you name it, thinking, oh, my stars,
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  Speaker 2: just so much paper. I just want to get in
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  Speaker 2: the court room and try the case. But you have
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  Speaker 2: to cross your t's and dot your eyes. So I
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  Speaker 2: remember those nights, and part of putting a case together
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  Speaker 2: is what the FBI is going to do now. Now
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  Speaker 2: back in their main field division in Phoenix, have you
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  Speaker 2: ever had to plow through thousands of dot and Oh?
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  Speaker 3: When I was a.
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  Speaker 2: FED we would have a room full of boxes of documents,
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  Speaker 2: a whole room of boxes stacked up.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's part of the job. You have to
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  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, And as a private investigator, you know, we
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  Speaker 7: don't have nearly the support that the FBI has, right
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  Speaker 7: the personnel, the expertise, the number of reps that they
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  Speaker 7: get at processing this amount of video.
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  Speaker 4: These are the experts that.
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  Speaker 7: Are going to be able to do that and I
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  Speaker 7: want to add one thing that walk through with federal
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  Speaker 7: prosecutors is key here because a lot of of this evidence,
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  Speaker 7: research and collection that's going to happen in analysis is
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  Speaker 7: going to be guided by those prosecutors as they build
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  Speaker 7: this up.
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  Speaker 3: I want to go back to the car video. Guys. Now,
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  Speaker 3: a lot is being made online. It's helpful, it's not helpful.
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  Speaker 2: It's a dead end, it's a lead. You can't listen
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  Speaker 2: to anything you're hearing or reading in the media, media
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  Speaker 2: on the outside, law enforcement on the inside. But I
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  Speaker 2: am telling you that every bit of video is being
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  Speaker 2: reviewed by the feds.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: This video is provided to us from our friends at
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  Speaker 2: Fox News. Speaking of the video and whether it's real
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  Speaker 2: or not real, and sources say it is and sources
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  Speaker 2: say it's not. What about the speed he's the driver
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  Speaker 2: is flying by, and it makes me remember how fast
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  Speaker 2: Brian Coburger. He was like a bat out of h
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  Speaker 2: G double L flying, flapping as fast as he can
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  Speaker 2: to get out wings on fire.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Coburger flying out of there.
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  Speaker 2: And the particular car that goes by right after Nancy
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  Speaker 2: Guthries pacemaker disconnects from Bluetooth is flying Brian Fitsgibbons.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it looks like that vehicle's moving at a pretty
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  Speaker 7: high rate of speed and as we've seen in this case,
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  Speaker 7: these roads are very dark residential areas, so that could
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  Speaker 7: be an anomaly to be driving at that high rate
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  Speaker 7: of speed at that time of night.
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  Speaker 5: All of the information about this reward and the details
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  Speaker 5: is in the caption below. You can call the one
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  Speaker 5: eight hundred tip line. You can be anonymous if you want.
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  Speaker 5: Someone out there knows something that can bring her home.
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  Speaker 5: Somebody knows. We are begging you to please come forward. Now,
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  Speaker 5: we also know that we are not alone in our loss.
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  Speaker 5: We know there are millions of families that have suffered
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  Speaker 5: with this kind of uncertainty, and for that reason, today
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  Speaker 5: we also are donating five hundred thousand dollars to the
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  Speaker 5: National Center for Missing and Exploited Children for their work
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  Speaker 5: and helping families who are coping with loss and actively
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  Speaker 5: looking for those who are lost.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Video from Nancy Guthrie's home has shown a masked suspect
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  Speaker 2: on her front porch the night she goes missing, but
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  Speaker 2: now has a distinguishing mark been found on the backpack.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: The FBI, working with Pema County Sheriffs, released the doorbell
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  Speaker 2: video to generate leads. Look carefully on the purpse left strap.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: An individual has spotted and now publicized a black star
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  Speaker 2: on the jacket. Take oh, look, let's see it. Iowed
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: very quickly a star shaped pattern in black.
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  Speaker 3: Look at this.
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  Speaker 2: It was shared widely on Twitter X. What if anything
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  Speaker 2: does it mean?
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: It could mean nothing or it could mean a break
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: in the case.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: This post from trill on X straight out to Dave
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter, Dave, what can you tell
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: me about the star? Because we have gone back and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: reviewed the original video released by Cash Betel, released by
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: law enforcement.
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  Speaker 3: And you can see that in the look there it is.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Now when it's highlighted and it put on X, you
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: can see much better and you see red stitching, but
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you can see that.
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  Speaker 6: What do you know, Dave, Nancy, you know this has
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: just come up in the last hours and a lot
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: of people are trying to search for that particular star
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: and where it is located on other backpacks and Nancy,
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: you know we've even gone back and forth here about
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: well do you see it?
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Do you not?
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: It's a catch twenty two.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what is actually on the strap versus
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: the jacket and trying to locate it. You can't see
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: anything there or right there. You can see it on
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: his left strap what appears to be a star.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Guys, if you look at different angle, sometimes you can
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: see it, sometimes you cannot see it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Is it real in any event?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Eric Drinkerson, this is a type of detail that has
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: to be chased down by the FEDS.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Right, every detail can matter.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's man, it's a relevant detail because it
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: serves two purposes. Really. Number one, the uniqueness of that
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: star could help determine where that article of clothing or
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: that backpack came from. That's an important detail. And the
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: second point is it can help in asking for public assistance.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: This is somewhat unique and it can help some witness
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: or somebody who's willing to cooperate identify that clothing associated
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: with a person. So either way, I think it's relevant,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: whether it's a star, whether it's something else, just the
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: fact that it's somewhat unique to that article of clothing.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: What about it, Brian Fitzgibbons, What if anything can you
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: do with that? You know, distinctive features can't identify a perp. Okay,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: here's a good example. I tried a drug lord. I
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: tried a lot of drug lords, and one of them
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: was saying the night of the incident, it was a
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: murder by the way, and he brazenly was wearing a
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: red leather ensemble jacket, pants the works, and guess what
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: he was wearing and he was sighted again, red leather ensemble.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, how many of those are walking around is
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: very very easily identifiable. So same thing, a detail like
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that can go a long way jump.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: In absolutely and you know it's going to help investigators
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: identify you know, was this a piece of clothing that
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: was produced with that star on it? You know that's
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: the brand's logo or whatever, or was this an aftermarket thing?
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: Are there embroidery shops and Tucson that have put on
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: fifty of these for a small business or a school
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: or something related to it. So you know, this will
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: be very identifiable if that is indeed an embroidered star
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: on that jacket.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Guys, we're trying to make sense up all of the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: evidence that is bubbling up as we go to air
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: new evidence about a star beside the backpack vehicle speeding
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: by in Nancy's neighborhood at the same time her pacemaker
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: disconnects from Bluetooth. Sometimes all the evidence can be overwhelming,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Eric Drinkerson, And that is why I had to quote
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: marshal the evidence.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Marshal the evidence.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: In other words, think of a thousand men and women
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: in the infantry. If they're just meeling around, they're ineffective.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You have to get them in lines, assign them tasks.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: You have to marshal them to have any effect. That's
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: what is meant by marshaling your evidence. So right now,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: think about it, Eric, the FBI is going to DeCamp
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: from Tucson. They're going to recamp in Phoenix, and they
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: have all of this video to go through, ten thousand
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: plus hours of surveillance.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: They have all of the Walmart to go.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Through, that's online orders and wow and purchases at local
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Walmarts and beyond.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: They have all of the tips to go through.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Now, over forty thousand tips since Savannah gave her a
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: last play, which we showed earlier, Nearly two thousand tips
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: have already come in since then, which I believe may
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: be even more serious tips because there's a million dollars
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: plus on the line. This is a herculean task. I mean,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: how does the FBI go about doing it?
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Nancy, there's a lot associated with this, so it
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: cuts both ways, going public and asking for public assistance
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: and increasing this this reward to now over over one million,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: two hundred thousand dollars. Brings can bring substantial new evidence
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: into the fold into helping identify and helping discover new evidence,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: but it also creates issues where you're getting a lot
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: of reporting, much of which is not associated with this kind,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: much of which may be people trying to capitalize on
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: this tragedy to make money. So this is going to
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: be a monumental task, as you said, for the FBI
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: and local law enforcement to comb through all of this
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: reporting and all of this evidence. Key things are going
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: to be looking for, though, is anything unique that people
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: that provide this evidence may know about the victim. So
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: whether that's proof of life information, whether it's unique information
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: of the way she was dressed or articles that she
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: may have had on her person, all of that is
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: going to come into play. So they can start to
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: weed through this evidence and figure out what's relevant for
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: the case and what is it but I recall back
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: when nine to eleven happened and we had tens of thousands,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: not millions, of people reporting suspicious activity, and the monumental
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: task of going through and finding what's relevant to the
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: crime and what is that's going to be a big
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: challenge for authorities.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Also tonight, a creepy stranger drives past Nancy Guthrie's home
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: last night around one hundred times while staring at a
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: photo of missus Guthrie on his phone.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Straight out to Dave Matt. Dave Matt, who is this guy?
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Nancy let Yesterday afternoon into the early evening hours, a
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: man was driving his vehicle on Nancy Guthrie Street, right
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: in front of her house, and he's driving by really
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: slow while he's looking at a picture of Nancy Guthrie
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: on his phone. Now we're not talking three or four
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: times driving up and down the street. We're talking about
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: the guy doing it for a long time, fifty to
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: one hundred times, driving in front of her house all
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: the while and I'm glowing really really slow. He's creeping
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: along looking at a picture of Nancy Guthrie on his phone.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: So finally police decided's time to take a look at
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: this guy, and they pull him over and police arrest
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: thirty four year old Antonio DeJesus Pegna compos in front
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: of Nancy Guthrie's home on misdemeanor DUI charges.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Hope against hope. As my sister says, we are blowing
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: on the embers of hope.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: We also know that.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: She may be lost, She may already be gone. She
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: may have already gone home to the Lord that she
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: loves and is dancing in heaven with her mom and
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: her dad and with her beloved brother Peers, and with
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: our daddy. And if this is what is to be,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: then we will accept it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I agree with Dave mac I don't think they should
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: release that hung Why release it?
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: That these prosecutors are our new sets of eyes.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: This could be part of a good process that we
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: don't know about.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: What is to be, then we will accept it.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: A group of mothers now searching for Nancy Guthrie. Their
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: search extends to Mexico. We understand the FBI has contacted
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Mexican authorities. Are they doing anything to help find Nancy Guthrie?
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: What's the likelihood she was.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Taken to Mexico, and none other better to discuss that
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: than Eric Drickerson joining US and Brian Fitzgibbons. Drickerson to you,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: former FBI special agent twenty years specializing in international kidnappings,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: who supervised the FBI and the Mexican US border, what
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: do you think about that?
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I reached out to my sources at the Attorney General's
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: office in the state of Sonora, Mexico, which borders Arizona,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: and they confirmed with me that the FBI has in
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: fact approached them and asked for their assistance. They also
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: stated that based on their initial investigations, they had no
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: indications or no evidence that the Nancy Guthrie entered Mexico
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: across the US Mexico border. It's also relevant to understand
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: that this case Mexico, we coordinate with Mexico, the US
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: law enforcement in the US and the FBI coordinates with
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Mexican regular basis at the border. They in fact, they
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: have a team called the Border Liaison Team. That this
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: is what they do as normal, as a part of
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: their normal protocol when we have a crime of this
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: nature that occurs so close to the border. Now, while
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: this is a kidnapping that occurred in Mexico in the
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: United States. In Mexico, they would have to investigate this
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: simply as a missing person case, so they would use resources,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: and they have ample experience in resources and working kidnapping cases.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I imagine that they've queried some of their cross border cameras,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: some of their law enforcement. They've done what we call
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: a welfare and whereabouts check, where they would check hospitals
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: and morgues and things of that nature to ensure that
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: what they're providing is accurate.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: To this, say Eric, I'm trying to keep up with you,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: but I'm like drinking from the fire hydrant too much
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: to fast in order.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: What would they.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Be doing to try to financey Guthrie in order in Mexico.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Well, first thing they would do is they would contact
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Mexican authorities to request their assistance. What that would look
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: like is would they would contact their liaison officials across
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: the border and ask them to do several checks, including
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: border crossings, maybe some welfare whereabouts checks, which might include
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: checking hospitals, checking the morgue, checking other resources that they
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: have at their disposal.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: What do you mean by other resources hospitals, morgues, what else?
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Possibly jails. There's a normal protocol that they use, which
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: is usually involves jails, hospitals, and the morgue to check
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: and see if there's any evidence at those locations that
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: she would be what would be president one of those locations. Secondly,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: they would also request that Mexican authorities participate in the investigation,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: and that is start to maintain some type of be
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: on the lookout protocols that may activate some of their
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: resources like cameras or some of their source intelligence that
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: could identify whether or not she crossed the border. But
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: they did confirm Mexican authorities did confirm that she is
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: not president in Mexico or there was no evidence that
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: she crossed the border into Mexico.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: When you say you look for source intelligence, what does
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: that mean snitches?
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Basically, yeah, human intelligence in other words, people that would
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: be reporting having seen her.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm trying to figure out the most likely crossing
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: if you're coming from Nancy Guthrie's home would be where, well,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: it would be one.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Of the ports of entry. What's the closest one in proximity.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: I believe it's Nogiles, Noalls, Mexico, And the FBI actually
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: has we have presence in Mexico, so we do have
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: an agent stationed in I see the FBI has an
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: agent stationed in the state of Sonora. So through that
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: agent and through these border liaison supervisors, they are coordinating
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: with Mexican officials to follow up on this case.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: It kind of feels like a needle in a haystack.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: To Brian Fitzgibbons, USPA Nationwide Security, who has done extractions
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: from Mexico, You've got this group of moms saying they
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: felt they had to quote step in to look for
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Nancy because local authorities are doing nothing to find her there.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, well, that's honorable.
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: As I've mentioned before, I think anything that happens in Mexico,
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: the first and primary actor is going to be the
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: US federal government, their sources, their diplomatic ties to Mexican authorities,
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: and as Eric mentioned, their source intelligence network is going
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: to be the primary mover there. This is a noble
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: effort by this group of moms and certainly shouldn't be discounted,
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: but the primary force if missus Guthrie is in Mexico
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: will be the US federal government.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. Please dial toll free eight hundred
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: two two five five three two four eight hundred, call
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: fb I, or if you wish to remain anonymous, five
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: two zero eight eight two seven four six y three
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: repeat five two zero eight eight two seven four six
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: y three.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: There is a one point.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Two plus million dollar reward about a million and a
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: quarter dollar reward for information leading to the whereabouts of
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie. It does not require an arrest or conviction
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: of the perpetrator. We remember an American hero trooper, Joel
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Pop Michigan State Police, killed in the line of duty
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: after four years on the force, leaving behind a wife
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: now widow, and a daughter sentenced to life without her father.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: American hero Trooper Joel Pop. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,