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Should the White House Re-Think Its Press Secretary Choice? · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: The breezes are blowing. The political winds are blowing. It's
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  Speaker 1: what a wild week to bring to a close here
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  Speaker 1: on this Friday. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: I sat down in front of the TV last night.
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  Speaker 2: What do you call it, the TV box? The TV box, yep.
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  Speaker 2: I got on the TV. First of all, I saw
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  Speaker 2: you with Will Kane yesterday. Great job again, Mr. TV star.
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  Speaker 2: It's all going to your head. I mean, if anybody
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  Speaker 2: it on YouTube. How many times he goes first compared
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  Speaker 2: to how many times I go first. It's 50-50. You
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  Speaker 2: know it's 50-50. Shh. Don't tell anybody.
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  Speaker 1: You're messing up my show. Yesterday, I wanted to go
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  Speaker 1: first out of turn so that I could throw you
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  Speaker 1: huge love and Nostradamus recognition for having properly called in
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  Speaker 1: advance the ditching of the Nidal Hasan livestream idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. The livestream execution. I didn't have on my bingo
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  Speaker 2: card watching Sean Hannity grill the White House press secretary
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  Speaker 2: last night. Man. But here's the thing. I'm so intrigued
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  Speaker 2: with the palace machinations. Let me tell you something. I
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  Speaker 2: guarantee you what happened last night. There's no way that
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  Speaker 2: was organic. I haven't talked to Sean in years. He's
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  Speaker 2: a good friend. He and I started in radio together
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  Speaker 2: in New York at the same time. We've been through
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  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff together. I've known him for a
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  Speaker 2: long time, but I haven't talked to him in a long,
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  Speaker 2: long time. And I love him. I love him and
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  Speaker 2: I respect him. There's no way Sean puts the White
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  Speaker 2: House press secretary on and is miffed with her over
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  Speaker 2: the fact that she didn't pass the bar exam or
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  Speaker 2: that she wasn't adequately prepared, yet he grilled her like
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  Speaker 2: she was a Democrat. There's a back story to that.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you what the back story was. Trump
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  Speaker 2: told his friend Sean, and reportedly they talk regularly, okay? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a closer media figure to Trump
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  Speaker 2: than Sean. I guarantee you Trump told Sean we're going
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  Speaker 2: to take her to the woodshed. Not only did he
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  Speaker 2: tell Sean, I think, how to eviscerate her, and he did.
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  Speaker 2: It was ugly. But then he made her go on
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  Speaker 2: the program. You think she wanted to go on Sean's show?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she probably expected he would have been friendly
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  Speaker 2: to her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's rebuild the relationship. Let's give her a little boost.
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  Speaker 1: It did not work out that way at all.
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  Speaker 2: He's grilling her. Did you pass? I mean, my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: in the scheme of things, when we're two half weeks
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  Speaker 2: away from this midterm election, who gives a rat's rear
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  Speaker 2: end if she's got her law degree or not?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, nobody would. If it seemed like she was good
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  Speaker 1: at this, if there was a wrinkle in Caroline Levitt...
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  Speaker 1: She has one time! Mike, Tony Snow, Kaylee McEnany, Caroline
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  Speaker 1: Levitt did not need a week, three weeks, a month.
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  Speaker 1: How much time do we give her to develop skills
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  Speaker 1: that you should pretty well have?
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  Speaker 2: Who cares? Who cares?
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  Speaker 1: I care enormously about the messaging quality of this White House.
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  Speaker 1: How great has it been every day? How many times
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  Speaker 1: have you and I just said, man, did you see
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  Speaker 1: Caroline Leavitt yesterday? Did you see her just eviscerate with
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  Speaker 1: surgical skill these jackal reporters? Do you believe in any
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  Speaker 1: universe that Katie Zachariah is going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: do that?
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  Speaker 2: There was nothing wrong with her messaging. Answer the question.
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  Speaker 2: What you critics are all upset about is that she
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  Speaker 2: acted nervous and scattered and she doesn't have her law degree.
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  Speaker 2: Give her some time. I don't care. Give her some time.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care about the law degree.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, I couldn't give two flips. I don't care
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  Speaker 2: about the White House press secretary. I care about winning midterms.
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  Speaker 2: You're not helping.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't enjoyed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's not helping hiring somebody who's a deer
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  Speaker 1: in the headlights at the podium.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't you call the president and tell him he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know how to hire people? Because you know what?
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  Speaker 2: You're reflecting on him. And what you're doing is you're
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  Speaker 2: giving the left all kinds of ammunition because you're caring
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  Speaker 2: about the White House press secretary's credentials. I need Caroline Levin.
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  Speaker 2: I need Kayleigh McEnany. Well, you don't have Caroline Levin.
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  Speaker 2: She left. She quit.
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  Speaker 1: I think the world is full of people who can
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  Speaker 1: do this job. And I don't know that Katie Zachariah
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  Speaker 1: is one of them. I don't think you get better
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  Speaker 1: at this in a heartbeat where she suddenly turns into— And.
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  Speaker 2: I care about Ken Paxton winning the Senate. And I
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  Speaker 2: care about the midterm election. We shouldn't have any unforced errors,
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  Speaker 2: and we shouldn't do any self-inflicted wounds because we're going
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  Speaker 2: to clutch our pearls because we don't like the fact
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  Speaker 2: that the White House press secretary isn't Caroline Leavitt. Come on.
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  Speaker 2: What do you care? What do you even care? How
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  Speaker 2: many times do I have to tell you that it's
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  Speaker 2: important for the message? Why is messaging from the White
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  Speaker 2: House press room important? What did she say on the
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  Speaker 2: message that she blew the other day? No, if you
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  Speaker 2: read it on an index card, the content is lovely.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Did you appreciate Caroline Leavitt? Did you appreciate her? Of
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  Speaker 1: course I did.
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  Speaker 2: Why? Of course I did. So she left. So what
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  Speaker 2: do you want to do, Mark? Find somebody that's 80%
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  Speaker 2: as good. Oh, this is not as nervous. Find somebody
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  Speaker 2: that ain't nervous. There's more than that. nerves going on there.
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  Speaker 2: There's way more than nerves going on there. She's not
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  Speaker 2: good at this. Oh, so what? I know this will
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  Speaker 2: shock you. There are people who think you aren't good
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  Speaker 2: at this and I'm not good at this. So what?
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  Speaker 2: They're mistaken. Everybody's on the sidelines in the Greek chorus
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  Speaker 2: and you're tearing down our own side, Mark. Why are
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  Speaker 2: you doing this? Because I care about the quality of
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  Speaker 2: About the press secretary? But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Using your own scenario, which I think I believe, do
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  Speaker 1: you believe that Trump has perhaps recognized that she's not
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  Speaker 1: up to this and got on the back channel to
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  Speaker 1: Sean and said, Sean, you got a sandbagger. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 1: Trump agreeing with me and recognizing they need an upgrade
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  Speaker 1: at that position.
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  Speaker 2: I think he wanted to take her to the woodshed
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  Speaker 2: last night, and they did, and move on. Nobody cares
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  Speaker 2: except talk show hosts who somehow want to hurt our
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  Speaker 2: own side. Why do you want to hurt our side
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  Speaker 2: 17 days before the midterms? First of all, I don't think—
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  Speaker 2: Go read The Daily Beast. You sound like The Daily Beast.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody cares about this except you and me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's fun to argue about. It is fun,
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  Speaker 1: but ultimately it's because I want to do well, not
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  Speaker 1: just in the next 17 days. But for the next
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  Speaker 1: two years, we've got 17 days just to tie a
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  Speaker 1: bow around this. You do believe that Trump called Sean
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  Speaker 1: and kind of sandbagged her, but not to lay the
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  Speaker 1: groundwork for her exit, but to say, hey, we put
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  Speaker 1: it through the meat grinder reset button. Now, let's see
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  Speaker 1: what happens.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if he wants to let her go, he's
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  Speaker 2: already made that decision. She'll be gone. And guess what?
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  Speaker 2: And if she gets a lot better, she ain't going anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Because you know what? As she pointed out to Sean,
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  Speaker 2: she had about 15 minutes to be ready for that
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  Speaker 2: first press briefing. And look, she clearly wasn't ready. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: give her some time. Give her the next one. You
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  Speaker 2: just admitted to me, and I want to make sure
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  Speaker 2: we get this, on an index card, it's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit like listening to the Kennedy-Nixon debate on radio versus TV.
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  Speaker 2: On an index card, the messaging was just fine. The
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  Speaker 2: words were lovely. Good. That's what matters. If you care
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  Speaker 2: about messaging, then care about consistency, my friend. Be consistent.
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  Speaker 1: You care about the messaging. I can get a ninth
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  Speaker 1: grader to go up there and read the index card.
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  Speaker 1: They need to be delivered with skill, with grace, with power,
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  Speaker 1: with precision, and nine degrees. She's got to have a
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  Speaker 1: master's degree. She's got to have three law degrees. I
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  Speaker 1: don't care if she came out of the vocational wing
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  Speaker 1: of a local high school. She's got to go to
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  Speaker 1: Harvard instead of Pepperdine.
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  Speaker 2: I hope so. She gets better. Don't get distracted. And
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  Speaker 2: can we take a moment, Mark, to go to Bend, Oregon?
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  Speaker 2: There is the most important aspect of this story that
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  Speaker 2: we cannot lose track of. I mean, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: this monster, glad he's rotting in hell, glad a bystander,
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  Speaker 2: a hero bystander stepped up. But you know what that
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  Speaker 2: bystander did? Broke the law. In Bend, Oregon, the Bend
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  Speaker 2: School District, Banned every firearm on its property. It was
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  Speaker 2: a gun-free zone, Mark. Now, this monster would have shot up.
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  Speaker 2: It would have been Sandy Hook, maybe worse. But what
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  Speaker 2: happened was a guy took his gun, his concealed carry gun,
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  Speaker 2: chased this monster down, this fiend, this demon, and sent
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  Speaker 2: him to hell. You know what? State law says a
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  Speaker 2: gun on a school campus... It has to be unloaded
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  Speaker 2: and locked in the car, Mark. How's that work? Now,
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  Speaker 2: are they going to arrest this guy? I know.
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  Speaker 1: The governor, the lib governor of Oregon, had praise for
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  Speaker 1: him and thanked him, so I hope not. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as my buddy Ted Nugent says, guns don't kill people.
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  Speaker 1: Gun-free zones kill people.
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  Speaker 2: Bingo! That's my point. And you know what? Go back
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  Speaker 2: to Wayne LaPierre, my dear friend. The only way to
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  Speaker 2: stop a bad guy with a gun is a good
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  Speaker 2: guy with a gun. And they hate that sentence, but
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  Speaker 2: it's truer, and it happens over. Here we go again.
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  Speaker 2: The thing they say never happens happened yesterday in Bend, Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: And you think about the families of this 5-year-old, this 8-year-old,
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  Speaker 2: this 11-year-old, and their teacher. A 7-year-old and a 54-year-old
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  Speaker 2: teacher are right now fighting for their lives as we speak.
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  Speaker 2: We have demons around us. We have evil. It's why
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  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for your prayer every day. It's why I'm
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  Speaker 2: now praying every day. We need faith. We need spirituality.
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  Speaker 2: And we need God because this is what we're missing
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  Speaker 2: right now. And by the way, that's why they hated
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  Speaker 2: Charlie so much. Charlie Kirk brought up God and Jesus
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  Speaker 2: Christ every chance he got. And they hated him for it.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine how wicked you have to be to
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  Speaker 2: go into a school to kill a five-year-old child? Gosh, Mark.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a level of evil that's so beyond
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  Speaker 2: our understanding. It is.
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  Speaker 1: Does it make it even harder to understand when the
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  Speaker 1: shooter is 16? And by that, I mean, if you've
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  Speaker 1: got a 30-year-old that does this, that's a sour, twisted,
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  Speaker 1: fallen grown-up. When you're 16... And listen, I can't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: develop a drone and a time machine and follow this
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  Speaker 1: kid around his house and see if he was badly raised.
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  Speaker 1: But this doesn't tend to happen with kids that are
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  Speaker 1: in church every weekend.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: And who are given a godly rearing at home.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It just confounds and compels. But we do
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  Speaker 2: that at our peril, too, because on the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's such loving, great parents whose kids... turn
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  Speaker 2: out to be just rotten to the core. It happens.
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  Speaker 2: They haven't done anything wrong, and they've done their best. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, Dallas just texted me, and I always
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  Speaker 2: love the instant feedback, just like I love the live
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  Speaker 2: chat room on YouTube when you and I go live
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  Speaker 2: at noon. And today, our holiday tribute for Halloween and Thanksgiving,
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  Speaker 2: which will be a lot of fun, noon Eastern, 11
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  Speaker 2: Central on YouTube. I love the comments. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: have ADD on stage. I love watching comments foreign. You
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  Speaker 2: get distracted. I don't. Here's the definitive answer on Katie Zachariah.
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  Speaker 2: Dallas writes, Mark may be right about her lack of preparedness.
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  Speaker 2: She may not have passed the bar test. But she
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  Speaker 2: sure is yummy to look at. So there you have it.
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  Speaker 2: Good lord. So there you have it. Well, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: telling you. The people have spoken. Dallas has spoken.
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  Speaker 1: She's yummy to look at.
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  Speaker 2: She's yummy to look at. Well, I mean, she is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there was the observation that this job seems to
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  Speaker 1: be reserved for really cute blonde women with names starting
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  Speaker 1: with K. Katie McEnany, Caroline Leavitt, Katie Zachariah.
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  Speaker 2: It's Central Carolina. You know, there's a character for that.
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  Speaker 1: If it works out and if you're awesome like Kayleigh
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  Speaker 1: McEnany was and like Caroline Leavitt really was, I'm prepared
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  Speaker 1: not to care.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. Hey, did you see CNN yesterday admitting
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  Speaker 2: that we very well could keep the House and the Senate? Yep. CNN, Harriet,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to play this all day long. How
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  Speaker 2: does Harriet keep that job? He's in front of that
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  Speaker 2: big map going, the Democrat leads are gone. They've washed
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  Speaker 2: into Lake Erie. They under-poll Republicans. Here's what we need
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  Speaker 2: to know about the polling. He pointed this out. If
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  Speaker 2: the polls underestimate Republicans by only two to four points, which,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, they have been doing that for years. Yep, routinely.
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  Speaker 2: The Senate goes 53-47 red. And the House stays red.
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  Speaker 2: Just two to four points. You know what that means?
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  Speaker 2: Go vote. Go move mountains. Take ten people with you.
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  Speaker 2: If we show up, we win. Don't get distracted by
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  Speaker 2: Mark Davis concerned about Katie Zachariah. Don't do it. Don't
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  Speaker 2: do it. Don't let the rhinos and the establishment Republicans
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  Speaker 2: stop you from voting. No, indeed. I'm pulling your leg. Look, Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Big TV, I'm going to start calling you primetime. When
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  Speaker 2: are you going to do Laura Ingraham again? Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get you back.
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  Speaker 1: You want a behind-the-scenes interesting story?
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  Speaker 2: Are they mad at you over at News Nation? You
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  Speaker 2: know about the inner. No.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: You know about the inners of Fox more than I do.
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  Speaker 1: There's apparently a 24-hour rule of separation in appearing on
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  Speaker 1: their shows. And then when I got to Will Kane yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: they said, hey, we saw you on Laura.
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  Speaker 2: That was great.
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  Speaker 1: I said, hey, thank you. They said, if you ever
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  Speaker 1: get competing phone calls, there's a 24-hour rule. Like if
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  Speaker 1: I'm on Laura one night, I can't be on Will
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  Speaker 1: Kane the following day.
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  Speaker 2: Which I'm fine. I'm totally fine. Can I share the
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  Speaker 2: stuff that I know when I was at Fox News
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  Speaker 2: as a contributor? Sure. It's a bloodbath between shows to
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  Speaker 2: compete over who gets who. I sensed there was some– Oh, Mark.
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  Speaker 2: I mean– The battles between Hannity and O'Reilly were legendary.
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  Speaker 2: I was there during that. Oh, yeah. Those are some personalities.
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  Speaker 2: It's fun. I love that stuff. We'll do it live.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do it live. You know he's calling his podcast
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  Speaker 2: We'll Do It Live now? Yes, I asked him about that.
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  Speaker 2: I said, here's this famous video of you at Inside
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  Speaker 2: Edition or whatever melting down and cursing the staff. F it,
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  Speaker 2: we'll do it live.
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  Speaker 1: And then he literally, what could be a really embarrassing
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  Speaker 1: almost Casey Kasem style thing, go Google that as well,
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  Speaker 1: And he said, yeah. He said, look, I got angry.
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  Speaker 1: I made a mistake. What better way to take that
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  Speaker 1: bad moment and turn it into a positive than have
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  Speaker 1: a little fun?
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  Speaker 2: Good for him. His podcast is called We're Doing It Live.
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  Speaker 2: All right.