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Football at Four: Going Inside Several Key Upcoming Situations With the Eagles · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Foot Part four powered by the Inside of the Birds podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by the Fanatic sports book Ocean Casido
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  Speaker 1: Resort in Atlantic City.
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  Speaker 2: Adam Kaplan's in the house today, just set to join us.
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  Speaker 2: Just a couple of moments Eagles and Broncos, couple betting
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  Speaker 2: trends on the game.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna share with you before Adam jumps on board
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  Speaker 1: here to try to help you make a couple of
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  Speaker 1: bucks in the game. You know, the Eagles are a
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  Speaker 1: favorite in the game three and a half. Excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: five and a half. The number is forty four and
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  Speaker 1: a half is the over under. The Eagles are nine
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  Speaker 1: and three against the spread in their last twelve games.
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  Speaker 2: Is a favorite.
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  Speaker 1: They are five and one in their last six against
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  Speaker 1: the spread. They are three to zero against the spread
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  Speaker 1: in their last three. Could you imagine a team that
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  Speaker 1: has all these problems and they keep covering. The Broncos
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  Speaker 1: are zero and four against the spread in their last
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  Speaker 1: four road games. So this is a team that has
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  Speaker 1: struggled on the road in terms of covering the spread.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, the Eagles at five and a half
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  Speaker 1: point favorite. The Eagles injury report is out to Kobe
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  Speaker 1: Dean is the only one on the injury list that
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  Speaker 1: will not play in the game. Everybody else so far
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  Speaker 1: is a full go. Johaan Campbell did not practice today
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  Speaker 1: for a personal reason, but he should be good to
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  Speaker 1: go for the game on Sunday. Let's take a look
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  Speaker 1: at it right now. It's Football at four Adam Kaplan
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  Speaker 1: from the inside the Birds, podecap, team platforms, and right
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  Speaker 1: here on Football at four Adam.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Friday, Yes, sim do.
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  Speaker 3: You my friend? Week five Eagles will host the Broncos
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday and beautiful weather. It's gonna be It's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be a good day. We got the Phillies of course,
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  Speaker 3: sandwich into on Saturday and Monday. It's gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: really good sports weekend. Let's hope for the locals that
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  Speaker 3: it turns out well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's dive into some of the things that we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be keeping an eye on for this one here
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  Speaker 1: and the Eagles. You know, how about uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of the talks all the way back to Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: we had Vic Fangio uh talking about a possible lineup
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  Speaker 1: change and how it could impact the Eagles defense, what
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  Speaker 1: happens at corner and how could it impact this game
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me explain how coaches this is strictly from experience. So, okay,
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  Speaker 3: Dorry Jackson clearly won the starting job, but was never
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  Speaker 3: close over Ringo. We've outlined this now for three years.
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  Speaker 3: What Ringo's problems are. Stiffness, unable to stop and start,
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  Speaker 3: transition stuff, really good straight line speed, size, all that. Right.
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  Speaker 3: He has actually improved Mike over the last two years,
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  Speaker 3: but not nearly enough. And this is two years in
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  Speaker 3: a row. He clearly got beaten. Was never close between
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  Speaker 3: him and Rodgers than him and Dorry Jackson. Now you
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  Speaker 3: fast forward to now, right, So Jackson was the start.
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  Speaker 3: He got hurt. He had not he d not been
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  Speaker 3: playing well. Mike, he got smoked in the first game,
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  Speaker 3: really did not play well, inconsistent after that. So some
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  Speaker 3: good snaps, I'm not as good and then he has
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  Speaker 3: a groin injury. So it's this time now coaches do
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  Speaker 3: not believe that a player, you know, if he gets hurt,
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  Speaker 3: that he can't lose his job. That that adage is gone.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that was true when I first started coming
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  Speaker 3: to the league. No, it's about performance and look Ringo,
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  Speaker 3: as we noted on inside the Birds. When the balls
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  Speaker 3: and I thrown to him, he moved well. One source
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  Speaker 3: so I spoke with said that saw two staffs where
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  Speaker 3: he would have been being had the ball been thrown
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  Speaker 3: to him. Now, the guy didn't say a touchdown, He
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  Speaker 3: didn't elaborate, but as Vic said, Vick was not lying.
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  Speaker 3: He was sticky. That means you're on your guy. He
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  Speaker 3: didn't get away from you, so that's important. But again
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  Speaker 3: he barely got thrown at. So to me, in a
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  Speaker 3: matchup like this, Mike, when they played Denver, Who's got
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  Speaker 3: one of the deepest receiver corps, They've got size, they've
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  Speaker 3: got to speak. Courtland Sutton is a really good football player,
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  Speaker 3: big guy right, who's been in the league a long time.
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  Speaker 3: He's overcome an acl andry, really good football player. Marvin
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  Speaker 3: Mims and Tory Franklin could flat out fly. Pat Bryan
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  Speaker 3: was one of my favorite receivers for the draft. He's
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  Speaker 3: their fourth receiver out of Illinois. He's a rookie this
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  Speaker 3: year and they have enough to challenge whoever plays opposite him.
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  Speaker 3: So the way that you have wait this corner position
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  Speaker 3: opposite Mitchell is we're at the point now, who looks
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  Speaker 3: the best in practice. Now that Jackson is seemingly over
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  Speaker 3: his injury. He he took some work today. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he actually took a lot of work today. But it's
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  Speaker 3: a Friday practice. What does the tape tell Vic Vangio
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  Speaker 3: in terms of, Okay, this looks good. You know what,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna play this guy. So that's how I'll answer that.
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  Speaker 3: That's where he has to be at this I'm sorry
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  Speaker 3: Jackson was not good enough to keep the job. That's
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  Speaker 3: the that's the point. Another way coaches think when you
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  Speaker 3: have uncertain at a position. He opened up a can
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  Speaker 3: of worms. What he said, Oh, he didn't roll out
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  Speaker 3: when he was asked it was a good question. Could
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  Speaker 3: could could? Could Ringo keep the job? He said, it
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  Speaker 3: could happen. It's possible, right, I said it's possible. So
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  Speaker 3: he could have said no, I don't see that. He did,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know of fact? Yes, Mike, before we
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  Speaker 3: move on, what you just said is the point. When
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  Speaker 3: Vic shoots something down, he shoots it down. He doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't believe in narratives. You know, he'll shoot it down,
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  Speaker 3: but he think something could happen. Yes, because look, Ringo
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  Speaker 3: give you ideal size and it's not like Ringo's in
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  Speaker 3: game snaps at times have been terrible. Yeah, as he
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  Speaker 3: had some staff where he got beaten games before the
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  Speaker 3: little he's played, Yes, there's something there with him, but
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  Speaker 3: he's so limited in certain things. You're just like Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 3: Remember Sean Payton went on when on the record with
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  Speaker 3: Peter King many years ago and he admitted that they
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  Speaker 3: were going after Cidney Brown. Well, if Ringo plays because
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  Speaker 3: of his issues, it's they're pro people who they provide
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  Speaker 3: advanced work. They will let they will let Sean Payton o. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: here's the issues with Ringo. So that's just the way
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  Speaker 3: it is.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned you don't lose your job due to injury,
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  Speaker 1: or it used to be that way.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like.
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  Speaker 2: This might be the case.
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  Speaker 1: What happens at linebacker with Dean who has been rolled out,
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  Speaker 1: but he is back on the field in a limited fashion.
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  Speaker 1: This one seems like it's going to be the next
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  Speaker 1: big decision this coaching staff is going to have to make.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's really not a decision. So let me just
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  Speaker 3: explain what I told you before the student start. I said, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: there was zero chance if Cambell plays well, was the
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  Speaker 3: job none because he's a first round pick. Now, I'll
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  Speaker 3: tell you, I am a little surprised, Mike what he's
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  Speaker 3: done so far. John Campbell is what we expected to
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  Speaker 3: see in year two. It's just the knock on Campbell
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  Speaker 3: because he was relatively new to the inside backer position,
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  Speaker 3: linebacker overall, because remember he went to Alabama's pass rusher
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  Speaker 3: and he got moved by the necessity he had played
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  Speaker 3: linebacker for roughly off and on three seasons. That's all
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  Speaker 3: was that he would be behind mentally, Remember Mike, he
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  Speaker 3: was he had he had shoulder surgery in the off season. Well,
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  Speaker 3: he is so far advanced, like this is this is
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  Speaker 3: you know, Mike, we don't talk about this enough with you.
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  Speaker 3: And also on inside the Birds, this coaching staff is
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  Speaker 3: so damn good. This Bobby King who came over from
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  Speaker 3: the Titans. And how about you know, how about Nick
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  Speaker 3: admitting it was Howie Roseman who hired him. Now, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what that did he suggest him because Nick
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  Speaker 3: has final saying in his coaching staff. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how that happened. I don't know how he knew about him.
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  Speaker 3: But this secret sauce so this the why. Obviously it's
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  Speaker 3: player first, but it's coaches one, as it never changes.
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  Speaker 3: You can't win without good coaching, and you can't win
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  Speaker 3: without good players. I mean, johat Cam is so good
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  Speaker 3: right now, and just think about it. There's still a
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  Speaker 3: lot he needs to learn, but he's being coached so well,
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  Speaker 3: and he's eager, and he works hard and he cares.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Dean was a great player last season. I'm
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  Speaker 3: with everybody. It's a shame that he got hurt. He
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  Speaker 3: suffered a devastat knee injury. Even if he looks good,
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  Speaker 3: what will happen is you're talking special teams. He could
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  Speaker 3: help a little bit in the base defense where Jihad
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  Speaker 3: sometimes may overrun or it maybe hit the wrong gap,
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  Speaker 3: but that's a minor role. And also listen, this is
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  Speaker 3: the most of Kim's going to play in his life
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  Speaker 3: because of the NFL season. So yeah, you could find
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  Speaker 3: him to back them up, but Joha Kam's the starter.
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  Speaker 3: They're not discussing that. Oh yeah, let's see who were
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  Speaker 3: going to play Dean over Campbell Dowell. They're not discussing that.
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  Speaker 3: Kim's the starter period.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'm cavin football for Yeah, And we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about this, you know preseason, is what if this
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  Speaker 1: kid plays so well that you just can't get him
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  Speaker 1: off the field.
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  Speaker 3: I believe it. That's it, Mike. I'm we'll talk more
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  Speaker 3: to Greg co sell about this on the pregame show
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  Speaker 3: because Denver by the way they could run the football
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  Speaker 3: and the Eagles are getting hit hard a misdirection. So
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about that when we tape it today,
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  Speaker 3: all right.
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  Speaker 1: And the other thing was that Fangio did kind of
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge that Campbell's not ready, really ready to be a
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  Speaker 1: pass rushing edge rusher or whatever you want to So
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't sound like they're ready to move him out
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  Speaker 1: of the role that he's currently in either. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what that does for Dean. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: it keeps Dean on the sideline.
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  Speaker 3: Well. Number one thing is Mike he actually now it's
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  Speaker 3: not really as an intrusterer. He's more ad ind defender
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  Speaker 3: against the run. He actually Weeks just lined up on
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  Speaker 3: the ball more instead of an inside backer. Greg co
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  Speaker 3: celt his guys in the NFFLMS charted eighteen to nineteen
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  Speaker 3: snaps game over the last two where he's on the
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  Speaker 3: ball more. But he's really it's more as a fifth
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  Speaker 3: defender on their line. It's not so much it's not
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  Speaker 3: so much as it's really not as an intrusser. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: he's playing more on the ball something than we expected,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not as an asserts more to help the
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  Speaker 3: run defense. But now there's no question in my mind,
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  Speaker 3: at some point late later in the season, he's going
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  Speaker 3: to get true edge rush snaps. That's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but understand so looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the thing, Mike, this is what fans don't
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  Speaker 3: seem to unsay, Oh well, he'll just dem will take
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  Speaker 3: Campbell's place. You don't. You can't play twelve players, You're
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  Speaker 3: only allowed eleven. Who's coming off the field.
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  Speaker 2: Well, exactly think about that.
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  Speaker 1: That has been the big thing is, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: do you kind of wedge him into the field here?
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  Speaker 1: You can't, you know, keep both those guys on there.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems that Campbell has really earned the spot.
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  Speaker 1: I just had Nick Ferguson on former Broncos safety. Yeah, great,
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  Speaker 1: great dude broke down and you know Nick played for
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  Speaker 1: the Broncos, so we had him talking Broncos but he
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  Speaker 1: also played a lot of special teams in his career
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  Speaker 1: and the role of special teams in kick returns, punt returns,
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  Speaker 1: field goals. The kicking game has changed some with Michael
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  Speaker 1: Clay was the star of the Tuesday because Vic fanciers said,
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  Speaker 1: just came about these kicking balls.
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  Speaker 2: But the Eagles the return game, all.
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  Speaker 1: That stuff, the kick return, punt return rolls, and how
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  Speaker 1: the special teams has affected this season.
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  Speaker 3: Look, their pun kickers are phenomenal. I mean, braid Man,
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  Speaker 3: what a waiver claim he was for the Eagles from
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  Speaker 3: the Steelers. And and Jkli tell the way back Physically,
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  Speaker 3: there's no question he's been phenomenal. Now they have a
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  Speaker 3: new long snapper at least temporarily and cal Adamitis. But
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  Speaker 3: the only part of special teams that's not been special
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  Speaker 3: this is the return game. It's been very disappointing. Now
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  Speaker 3: They've got a lot of guys to do it. Shipley's
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  Speaker 3: over his injury, AJ Dillon, John Metchi, Kyk Bixby and
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  Speaker 3: Xavier Gibson former Jet they're all vying for it. In practice,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to be the kickoff returners, you need to
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  Speaker 3: have two. By the way, one thing I was told though,
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  Speaker 3: by a special teams coach on my training campter effect
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  Speaker 3: to mention this, because of the rules, you really would
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  Speaker 3: like to have a guy with size, because it's almost
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  Speaker 3: the way the returns are now, because it's different than
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  Speaker 3: it used to be, the contacts different. It's it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of like you'd like a power guy to return it.
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  Speaker 3: That would explain them why Bigsby and Dylan are back there.
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  Speaker 3: So just keep that mind up. Power turns really don't
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  Speaker 3: look great. I don't understand, Mike, why they're not giving
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  Speaker 3: Britain Covey a chance.
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  Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Yeah, we'll see if Covey
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  Speaker 1: gets in there at some point. Xavier Gibson's another guy
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  Speaker 1: they signed. We haven't seen him yet. We've seen a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of Mechi's been the other guy back there.
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  Speaker 1: Dotson has been doing the punt returning for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: Give us some quick thoughts at him. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: talk to people all over the league. You guys obviously
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  Speaker 1: studied for this game. Some thoughts on this Broncos team
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  Speaker 1: because they are kind of, you know, under the radar
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, they did make the playoffs
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  Speaker 1: last year ten and seven. They got off to a
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  Speaker 1: weird start this year, and then if you watched Monday
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  Speaker 1: Night Football, they blew the doors off Cincinnati, so you
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  Speaker 1: might be saying if that was the only time you
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  Speaker 1: saw them, you said, man.
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  Speaker 2: This team's really good. But they've had kind of an
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  Speaker 2: up and down start.
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  Speaker 3: They have Bonuts has been up and down. But you
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  Speaker 3: see the chalent look. They beat too bad teams. He
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  Speaker 3: mentioned the Bengals without Joe Burrow and the Titans a
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  Speaker 3: week one game one at Indy and then the guy
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  Speaker 3: had on special teams on last field goal to win
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  Speaker 3: the game for the Colts and the guy misses it,
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  Speaker 3: but the Broncos had a leverage play and then they
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  Speaker 3: got to kick again they won it. And then they
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  Speaker 3: had to lead in the fourth quarter against the Chargers.
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  Speaker 3: But Justin Herbert brought them back in Week three. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they could easily have been four and ol Mike, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's it. They have a good defense on advanced Joseph
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  Speaker 3: the super deep receiver. Obviously, they have Pat certain Riley Moss,
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  Speaker 3: who's the other corner who some team sought would be
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  Speaker 3: a safety. He's a corner. The good line. But Alex Singleton,
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  Speaker 3: by the way got that big contract and he's been
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  Speaker 3: a good player. It's by coming off the ACL injury,
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  Speaker 3: really good front, good Edgreshers. It's a good football team.
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  Speaker 3: They played close games usually. I know the last week's
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  Speaker 3: game was not close, but the Bengals game moved the
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  Speaker 3: football and they shocked me last year and I've seen
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  Speaker 3: as a playoff team bow Knicks, Mike. I'll leave you
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  Speaker 3: with this is way better. Hired friends who were in scouting.
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  Speaker 3: They gave him a third round grade. They saw him
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  Speaker 3: low end starter. It's been better than people thought he
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  Speaker 3: would be. That he was bad at Auburn, then he
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  Speaker 3: transferred to Argon and he's been a pretty good football player,
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  Speaker 3: and it's really amazing. He gets to play with Troy Franklin,
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  Speaker 3: his college teammate, who was a receiver and a draft pick.
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  Speaker 3: Last year.
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  Speaker 1: They played man defense more than any other team in football.
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  Speaker 2: The Eagles see a lot of zone. We'll see if
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  Speaker 2: a J.
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  Speaker 1: Brown with man coverage, although the man coverage is Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Sir Dan the rainy defensive player.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be a fun one.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Jason lavontal Man, I remember asking him
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  Speaker 3: over the years with us. He loved man coverage. Man
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  Speaker 3: receivers generally do because you can't zone him off. You
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  Speaker 3: like just beating your man. So yeah, it'll be a
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  Speaker 3: good matchup, Mike, it really will be. It should be.
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  Speaker 3: It should be ty. What's the spread on this game?
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  Speaker 2: Five and a half Philadelphia?
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a tough one, man. I would not touch
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  Speaker 3: that one. I would and I clean up tennant. I
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  Speaker 3: don't bet but ten and three. Last week, I just
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  Speaker 3: for a sports grid. I usually picked four or five games.
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  Speaker 3: It was like so many games, but I'm only one man.
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  Speaker 3: I liked. I liked the Rams last night. What the heck?
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  Speaker 3: What what is wrong with them?
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  Speaker 2: Geez managed very poorly down the stretch. Let's see.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so mad. I'm Sean mcvay's good coach. Man. That's
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  Speaker 3: that's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was the way that they managed the end
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  Speaker 1: of that game. By the way, it's four and a
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  Speaker 1: half at another sports book. So if you find shop
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  Speaker 1: around everybody and find your pick. He's Adam Kaplan from
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  Speaker 1: the Inside of the Birds podcast. That was Football at four.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks man, Thank you.