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Brutal TikTok 'for fame' murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace TikTok. You'd have to be
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  Speaker 1: living in a cave or under a rot not to
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  Speaker 1: know about TikTok. My twins are always tiktoking or watching TikTok's.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sneaking up on them all the time they're on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: But how does the death a young husband and father?
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  Speaker 1: And I might add corrections, officer, what does that have
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  Speaker 1: to do with TikTok? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? I
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime story worries. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation in series XM
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  Speaker 1: one eleven. Take a listen to this nine one one call,
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  Speaker 1: yeah one, where is your emergency? Blood all over pretty,
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  Speaker 1: I just got a fault kid and John, are you
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  Speaker 1: the one that got faded? No, I'm no, that was
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  Speaker 1: Joden victim blood, I got set up really bad and
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  Speaker 1: I blood all over these all right? So you're twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine eighty six Stornhill as well? Yes, all right? And
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  Speaker 1: you want an ambulance uma hard all right? The persons
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  Speaker 1: are the person that people are doing this to you?
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  Speaker 1: Are they still there? They say they came with came
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  Speaker 1: him on my property with gardens and then when I
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  Speaker 1: want to fuck him off, they drove away. What happened?
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  Speaker 1: You were hearing a nine one one call from Zachary Latham,
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  Speaker 1: age eighteen. Did you notice he said I've got blood
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  Speaker 1: all over me? But is it his blood? Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to more of that nine one one call? How
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  Speaker 1: are you injured? Sir? Um My one plage was luck
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  Speaker 1: sammy man and I got stockball and killed a lay
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  Speaker 1: like ten people? And where are you bleeding from? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know? The flood all over me. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: over the cut. There's blood all over our garage. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: black came in and get that guns. You're never gonna
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  Speaker 1: kill us from nexteam in my garage and attack all
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  Speaker 1: of ours. There's four people, Okay. I want to want
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  Speaker 1: a second for the police. Okay, okay, So okay, he's
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  Speaker 1: saying I've got blood all over me, but clearly he's
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  Speaker 1: not the one bleeding, But to hear his nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call, you'd think he was again. I Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: is his crime stories. Thanks for being with us here
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  Speaker 1: at Flox Nation in series xin one eleven. What an
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  Speaker 1: all star panel. I've gotten to break it down and
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  Speaker 1: put it back together, and boy do we need some
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  Speaker 1: figuring out on this one. Wendy Patchett with me, California prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and host of Live with Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Wendy at k c b KE Radio, and you can
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  Speaker 1: find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Renowned psychiatrist
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  Speaker 1: joining us from Atlanta. Doctor Angela Arnold, she said, Angela Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: MD dot com. James shell Nutt, twenty seven years Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: Metro major case swat now lawyer. He's at shell Nutt
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  Speaker 1: Law Firm dot com. Doctor Kendall Crowns, the Deputy Medical Examiner,
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  Speaker 1: Travis County, Texas. That's Austin, by the way. Never lack
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  Speaker 1: of business there, but first Chrome online dot com investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter Levi Paige Levi, I want you to hear this
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  Speaker 1: TikTok posted by eighteen year old Latham Zachary Latham listen yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Video shows eighteen year old Zachary Latham racing through the
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  Speaker 1: quiet suburban streets in Vineland, New Jersey, and more than
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  Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour. When his neighbor, Tiffany Durham
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  Speaker 1: asks leads him to slow down, he obnoxiously calls her, Karen,
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  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Karen? That's not my name
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  Speaker 1: you okay, Karen. That heated exchange on this quiet residential
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  Speaker 1: street was just one of many, according to a family friend,
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  Speaker 1: who also says most of the encounters were posted on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: He posted on TikTok and that has seven hundred and
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  Speaker 1: sixty thousand mews. He turns the corner here and the
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  Speaker 1: Durham families outside down yardwork. It was a beautiful day,
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  Speaker 1: and he yells out the window, Hey, Karen, we went
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  Speaker 1: myra on TikTok. Okay, Now you know, I swore off
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  Speaker 1: cursing when the twins were born. But Jackie, there's no
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  Speaker 1: other way to put it in. He is just a jackass.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only thing I can say. Well, I could
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  Speaker 1: say more, but I'm not going to. You know, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, Leavi Page, I assume you know what a
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  Speaker 1: karen is. Yes, a derogatory term for a middle aged
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  Speaker 1: woman that complains a lot, well, a middle aged woman
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  Speaker 1: that complains period. And I believe it's based largely in
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  Speaker 1: women that complain for no reason. Okay, there's names from
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  Speaker 1: men too, but a Karen is somebody that makes basically
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  Speaker 1: a baseless argument. Would you agree with that? Yes? No? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: What about a week go ahead? They're often what they're
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  Speaker 1: often described as someone that wants to speak to the
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  Speaker 1: manager at a store or a restaurant for no reason. Yes, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good example. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor or a
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  Speaker 1: host of Live with Doctor Wendy KCBQ. Wendy, Now, when
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  Speaker 1: you call somebody a Karen, it's derogatory, that's an insult.
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  Speaker 1: But I can tell you this much, I'd be doing
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot more if some well I called him
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  Speaker 1: a jackass earlier. But if some bratt was driving one
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  Speaker 1: hundred mph and I weighborhood and I caught him, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'd been doing a lot more than complaining. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. So calling this woman, missus Durham, a Karen
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  Speaker 1: is just really adding salt, rubbing salt in the wound.
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  Speaker 1: It's provocative, and that was the purpose of doing it,
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  Speaker 1: And that's part of the purpose probably of driving as
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  Speaker 1: fast as he was to begin with. It is drawing
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  Speaker 1: attention to his bad behavior and then calling her out
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  Speaker 1: for justifiably being concerned for the safety of the neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: and you bet that's going to be relevant in terms
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  Speaker 1: of judging what kind of a person. This is now
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  Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrists joining us out of the
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. If somebody called me a Karen, I can't
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  Speaker 1: care less. I don't care. I would absolutely call police.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the kicker in this case. They did call police,
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  Speaker 1: but they were told because of COVID there was not
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot the courts could do about it. So,
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  Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, it's a real insult when this eighteen year
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  Speaker 1: old calls Miss Durham a Karen because she didn't like
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  Speaker 1: him driving one hundred mph. Well, the whole situation is
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  Speaker 1: such a symbol of disrespect, isn't it. Who drives one
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  Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour through anywhere, through a residential neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: and then for her for him to call her such
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  Speaker 1: a derogatory name a Karen, which incites It incites so
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  Speaker 1: much inside of people right now. Everything is so inflammatory.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Actually, I'm rethinking it, and if somebody did
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  Speaker 1: call me a Karen, I'd want to give him a
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  Speaker 1: knuckle sandwich no mayo, but I know better than to
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  Speaker 1: do that. I'm getting hung up on a traffic violation
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  Speaker 1: that could have turned deadly right there, This Zachary Latham
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  Speaker 1: driving one hundred mph in a residential neighborhood, very quiet neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, violent New Jersey, and Miss Durham gets angry,
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  Speaker 1: and so she confronts him about it, and then he
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  Speaker 1: videos the whole thing and then drives by to explain
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  Speaker 1: to her the next day that the video quote went viral.
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  Speaker 1: That means lots and lots and lots of people have
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  Speaker 1: watched it. Now, once you take a listen, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get hung up on the traffic violation when
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  Speaker 1: I've got a dead body on my hands. But take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to more of TikTok video by this bratt,
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  Speaker 1: Zachary Latham. What are you gonna do, Karen, that's not
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  Speaker 1: my name? To get name straight ahead? You okay, Karen,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, get my tag? Gag Karen. My name is
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  Speaker 1: not Karen, so name straight, get my tag. It's okay,
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  Speaker 1: a four five m faure you know. To James Shelnutt
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven years metroom major case and swatnew lawyer. They
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  Speaker 1: tried to call police on their neighbors on this rat
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  Speaker 1: and instead they were told but remember this is doing COVID.
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  Speaker 1: There's really not a lot that the cops could do
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  Speaker 1: about it because the courts were closed essentially at the
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  Speaker 1: time except for emergencies. They were turned away. But can
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  Speaker 1: you hear the tension brewing? Yeah? Absolutely. You know, this
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  Speaker 1: is one of those situations that snowballed from a serious
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  Speaker 1: traffic offense where somebody could have been heard or killed
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  Speaker 1: into a violent situation. And this kid, this Latham kid,
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  Speaker 1: was doing nothing but trying to provoke these people. He
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  Speaker 1: had no respect for anybody there. And I think if
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  Speaker 1: the nail the head, he's a brat and he needed
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  Speaker 1: an attitude adjustment. Unfortunately, he didn't get it right. Then
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  Speaker 1: they tried to call the police, nothing occurred, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that that caused tensions to boil even more and
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  Speaker 1: continue to make this problem escalating crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the death of the corrections officer, a father,
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  Speaker 1: a husband minding his own business when his bratty neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen year old Zachary Latham, torments mister Durham's wife repeatedly,
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  Speaker 1: over and over. You could hear him revving his engine.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want that when you have children out playing
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  Speaker 1: in the street. For this brat eighteen years old going
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  Speaker 1: on nineteen, driving one hundred miles an hour. And then
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  Speaker 1: when miss Durham videos it tries to get his tag number,
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  Speaker 1: he mocks her over and over and over, calling her
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  Speaker 1: a Karen. It escalates from there and we end up
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  Speaker 1: with a dead body. Straight out to Leavipage Crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, you're just hearing him mocking miss Durham,
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  Speaker 1: gunning his engine and whining that three cops are there
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  Speaker 1: because his car is loud. It's not because his car
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  Speaker 1: is loud. It's because he was driving one hundred miles
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  Speaker 1: an hour and he was taunting her about going viral. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what happens next? So Nancy, we know that he was
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  Speaker 1: doing one hundred miles per hour because he actually TikTok
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  Speaker 1: did himself and he has put this family, the Durham family,
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok many times after this incident. He drove by
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  Speaker 1: the house revd his engine. When he saw Katherine Durham
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  Speaker 1: who goes by Tiffany outside, he says, we went viral.
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  Speaker 1: He also posted on TikTok if this reaches a million views.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to post the address of the Durham's on
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  Speaker 1: here and you people can drive by His followers can
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  Speaker 1: drive by their house and rev your engine. Two. So
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of taunting on TikTok by Zachary Latham,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen years old. He even posted a TikTok with a
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  Speaker 1: gun talking about this family. A lot, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: aggression with this eighteen year old man. To you, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, you're the psychiatrist, what's wrong with him? What's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with this child? But he's not a child number one,
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  Speaker 1: he's almost nineteen in the National Guard. He has a
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  Speaker 1: complete it sounds like he has a complete disrespect for
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  Speaker 1: in disregard for all things legal. But he also seems
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  Speaker 1: to want a lot of attention. It seems like he's
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  Speaker 1: craving in an awful lot of attention and that's why
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  Speaker 1: he's putting these things on TikTok. He wants to be
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  Speaker 1: widely known by strangers. What is that that desire for
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  Speaker 1: fame that you'll do anything to be a social media
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  Speaker 1: star anything. That's what is driving us is his desire
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  Speaker 1: to be and it's it's not wealth and influence that
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  Speaker 1: he's looking for. She is he has an overriding desire
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  Speaker 1: to be widely known by strangers. Okay, and it's a desire,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually a desire nancy for social acceptance. Guys. It
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  Speaker 1: gets worse and worse, It escalates, as you know, it
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  Speaker 1: ultimately ends in a dead body. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friends at Inside Edition. After the Durham say Latham
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  Speaker 1: nearly ran over their son, dad, Timmy Durham confronted Latham
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  Speaker 1: in the driveway. The guy he was about to confront
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  Speaker 1: line inside the house and retrieved two knife and a
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  Speaker 1: stung gun. Latham allegedly stabbed fifty two year old Timmy
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  Speaker 1: Durham to death. Then he called nine one one, let's share.
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  Speaker 1: Are you the one that got bad? I'm no that
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  Speaker 1: was you. I got up really bad blood. Latham is
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  Speaker 1: claiming self defense. It's not self defense. If it was
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  Speaker 1: self defense, he would enter in the house and never
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  Speaker 1: came back out. And I'm gonna called the police. Latham
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  Speaker 1: is now charged with aggravated man slaughter. He wanted to
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  Speaker 1: meet TikTok family. He wanted to be TikTok famous. Did
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  Speaker 1: he lure this husband and father into his garage? In
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  Speaker 1: order to stun gum and knife him dead. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to TikTok video of Zachary Latham's knie. I'm calling
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  Speaker 1: my cops on you. That's good, all right? Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: are hearing him record what's happening. It's my understanding, Leavi
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  Speaker 1: Page that what happened is Latham takes off and swerves
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  Speaker 1: at a high speed at the Durham's nephew or son,
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  Speaker 1: swerves out in ti actually knowing that this is the
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  Speaker 1: Durham's relative. He swerves, comes back in and goes home,
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  Speaker 1: knowing that that would make the Drham's come over. When
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  Speaker 1: the Durham's come over, he's waiting in the garage with
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  Speaker 1: a stun gun and a knife. That's how I understand it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you know? You're correct? Nancy almost hit their
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  Speaker 1: son with his vehicle, and that is when this big
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  Speaker 1: altercation broke out in the driveway of Zachary Latham's home. Well,
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  Speaker 1: tell me what happened exactly. Okay, So they were fighting,
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  Speaker 1: they got into a scuffle and Zachary Latham had a
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  Speaker 1: knife and he pulled out his knife and stabbed fifty
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  Speaker 1: two year old William Durham and William Durham later died.
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  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no, yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: yes and no, yes, that happened. But I need to
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  Speaker 1: know what happened just before the stabbing, because I've got
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  Speaker 1: it was determined. Was he claiming self defense? Was it
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  Speaker 1: self defense? Or did he lure Durham into his garage?
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  Speaker 1: As prosecutors say, Jackie, let's play that nat sound again.
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  Speaker 1: This is TikTok. It's our cut six that Latham. He
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  Speaker 1: swerves at their son. You said it was son. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: swerves at the Durham's son who's outside. Then he high
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  Speaker 1: tells it to his home. Then the Durham's come over
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  Speaker 1: there and confront him about swerving his car. Okay, listen
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  Speaker 1: to this. This is his TikTok. Do you think this
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  Speaker 1: is self defense? Listen, I got a knight. I'm calling
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  Speaker 1: a cops on you. That's good. Hi, yeah, okay, let's send.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start. We're hearing to you. James shell Nutt, twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven years metro major, k swat, what are you hearing?
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  Speaker 1: This guy clearly is not that afraid. He's taking a TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: threatening to call police on the Dervas when they confront him.
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  Speaker 1: About swerving. Hey, did I ever tell you the twins
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  Speaker 1: when they were really little, they love to catch bugs.
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  Speaker 1: And we had all this bug a cootrama where you'd
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  Speaker 1: put the bug in this thing so it could this
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  Speaker 1: little net thing so it could live and fake what
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  Speaker 1: do you say, magnifying glasses and little digging utensils. And
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  Speaker 1: we would go over to the Methodist church which is
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  Speaker 1: near where we live, where we go and look for bugs, okay,
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  Speaker 1: And we could spend hours looking for bugs. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting somewhere with this James. One day we were
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  Speaker 1: looking for bugs and this young guy, I think he
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  Speaker 1: was about sixteen or seventeen, had this soup up truck,
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  Speaker 1: and what I mean by that he had put monster
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  Speaker 1: tires on it, and he came through the church parking
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  Speaker 1: lot which is full of speed bumps, I mean big
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  Speaker 1: ones flying through the church parking lot, and he came
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  Speaker 1: and swerved at us. I threw the twins behind me
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  Speaker 1: and got in between me and the truck. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: kidding this guy, Bratt. He was no more than three
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  Speaker 1: feet from us standing there, and we were actually I
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  Speaker 1: was off the curb. The twins were behind me by
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  Speaker 1: a tree where they were looking for bugs. I pushed
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  Speaker 1: them back as fast as I could. He had to
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  Speaker 1: be going fifty miles an hour in a parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: Well you know, I got that tag number and the
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  Speaker 1: twins are crying. It was the biggest mess. James Shelnutt.
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  Speaker 1: We left immediately. Turns out he was from this privileged
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  Speaker 1: family and we call police. Long story short, everything went
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  Speaker 1: away and they took I think they took the truck
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  Speaker 1: away from the kid for a while and that's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: But that could be deadly. I mean, I don't blame
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  Speaker 1: the parents for going and confront the same thing happened
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  Speaker 1: to us in a parking lote Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the brutal death, the stun gunning and
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  Speaker 1: a knifing death of a father, a husband, a corrections officer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about William Timmy Durham Senior, just fifty one
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  Speaker 1: years old and the prime of his life. Dead over one.
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  Speaker 1: So they go over to Latham's home and start yelling
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  Speaker 1: at him about swerving at their son. I don't blame them,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you blame them? They didn't come over armed,
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  Speaker 1: there was no gun. They didn't have a knife, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a stun gun, nothing. No, I don't blame
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  Speaker 1: them for two seconds. And you know they had initially
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  Speaker 1: tried to call the police. Now, normally, when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the situation like this from a law enforcement perspective,
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  Speaker 1: you say, you know what, you shouldn't have gone over
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  Speaker 1: to this person's house. You should have called the police.
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  Speaker 1: They had already done that, and now this guy nearly
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  Speaker 1: kills one of their family members. Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to go up there and talk to him
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  Speaker 1: about it. And this guy seems like he's producing his
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  Speaker 1: own action movie through TikTok, and he's clearly provoking this situation,
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  Speaker 1: clearly perpetuating this. I believe that he wanted them to
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  Speaker 1: come up there, and he got what he wanted when
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  Speaker 1: they showed up at his house. And I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: why I think that. I think you're right to Wendy Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author, I've read Flags the book, host of
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  Speaker 1: Live with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ. Wendy, he had his
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend slash wife, the teenager named Sarah, who was recording
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  Speaker 1: the entire thing for TikTok. She was recording because it
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  Speaker 1: was her and Lathan's intent to post the videos and
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  Speaker 1: become TikTok famous. In other words, when the Dirhams came
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  Speaker 1: over to confront him about swerving at their son, she
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  Speaker 1: was standing there with their phone recording the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: What about that they come over and then he runs in.
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  Speaker 1: Latham runs in, the dad goes after not into the home,
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  Speaker 1: over to the garage which is open. All on TikTok. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the title of this could be a fatal
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  Speaker 1: attraction to fame because it appears to have been staged
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  Speaker 1: for the purpose of causing a conflict. Now, who would
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  Speaker 1: have known how bad that conflict would have escalated? You know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: mister Latham is an eighteen year old nash Guard private.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: He said, Bron, this isn't just some kid that doesn't
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: know any better. And so that's why when you have
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: somebody like this hundred miles an hour swerving at a
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: neighbor and probably emboldened that the police didn't stop him,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: then you have to believe, you know, what was the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: motive for provoking this is horribly avoidable conflict. And you're
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: absolutely right. The fact that it was being filmed simultaneously
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: only goes to show what his motives could have been.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: You know, they're filming it so they can quote go
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: viral again, jointing me right now, Special guest, Doctor Kendall Crowns,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas. That's Austin. Doctor Crowns,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us and taking time away
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: literally from the autopsy table to be with us. How
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: quickly does it take for somebody to bleed out with
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: a stab wound. It depends on where the location of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the stab wound is, but it can be just a
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: matter of minutes anywhere from a couple of minutes to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minute. But if you hit like a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: major vessel like the sa moral ardor in your leg
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: or the order in your chest, you can be dead
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: within less than two minutes. You know, my old colleague
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Rick Sanchez took a stun gun hit to prove how
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: debilitating it is. And it's my understanding Levi Page Crime
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Online that this eighteen year old bratt first stun gun
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: mister Durham then stabbed him. Tell me what you know, Yes, Nancy,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: he had a stun gun and he fired the stun
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: gun and is a warning to tell the Durham family
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to leave him alone. The Durham family, they were not armed.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: They were visibly unarmed, and he ended up getting into
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a physical altercation with fifty two year old Michael Durham,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and that's when he stabbed him multiple times with the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: knife that he had. You know, I want to circle
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: back to the second part of the I'm on one
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: call that we originally played, because I know for a fact,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: according to all the witnesses and the police report, there
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: was not a weapon. Uh William quote Timmy Durham Senior
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: did not have a weapon. They were just all outside,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I guess in their yard. When Latham swerves at the sun,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it's our cut one sea. How are you injured? Sir?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Um my one play man and I got suckball and
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: killed a lay like ten people. And where are you
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: believing from? I don't know. The float all over me
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: even over there's a gridsman and get that guns. You're
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: never gonna kill us for nick team and my Garla's
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: gonna attack all of us. There's four people. Hold on
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a second for the police. Okay, okay, I mean even
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the nine one one dispatch operator knows something is wrong.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So you hear the in my mind what you hear,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick is a defendant that Zachary Latham setting up
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a self defense. First he says there's ten people, then
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: it went down to four, and the despatch says, well,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: where were you stabbed? And he goes, I don't know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but there's blood all over me. He
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't stabbed, nothing happened to him, Wendy. Yeah, there might
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: be blood all over him, but it's not his blood,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and that's going to come back to get him when
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: this story gets out. And not only that, Nancy, but
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: as you point out, even the nine one one operator
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is listening not only to his tone of voice, but
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: also to the inconsistency of his statement, and that's again
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: going to come back to buy item. This is just
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: not the kind of nine one one call that screams
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the kind of credibility that you would need to believe
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: exactly what he's saying, particularly because he's asked if he's injured,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: he's asked if he's bleeding, and the answer to gids
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: are completely non responsive to reflect maybe the reality that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: he's covered with the victim's blood, but certainly not that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: he was the victim. So do doctor Kinneall Crowns. I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: was talking about my polleague taking a taser to show
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: how to building it. It's painful. What this guy, the victim,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: William Timmy Durham Senior, was tazard and stab dead. What
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: does a taser do to you? Well, and taser will
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: disrupt you. You're basically your brain or your neurological system
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and causes you to collapse. It also causes intense pain.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So the people that I've seen tazared on videos, they
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: usually contract fairly heavily and scream out and then fall
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to the ground. So it not only causes you to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: have pain, but it also causes you to contract involuntarily.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Another thing that makes me believe this was all set
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: up to psychiatrist doctor Angela Arnold. Doctor Arnold, the girlfriend
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: slash wife of the brat, her name is Sarah, said,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: you guys better back off because you're you're not gonna
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: like what's coming out of the house. Seems like she
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: already knew he was coming out with a tazer and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: a knife. Yeah, sounds like this they had actuated to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: more than what it should have. Oh my goodness, And
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: what I mean does that speak to premeditated. Nancy, Well, yeah,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: when you lure someone in, leave my page. Mister Durham
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: was tassard and he was stabbed. Do you know where
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: he was stabbed? He was stabbed multiple times. I think
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: he was around his chest. I know he had a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: wound underneath his arm. Fit and now this family is
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: left without their dad. Doctor Kendall Crowns, how quickly would
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: he have bled out? Multiple stabbed ones to the chest
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and under the arm. That looks like you may have
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: been aiming for the heart but got under the arms.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So the chest, you're gonna hit the lungs as well
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: as the heart and possibly the major vessels going into
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the heart. So he's going to bleed out and probably
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: under a minute plus if he's stabbed under the arm,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: that's gonna also collapse along. It's gonna make him make
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it heart for him to breathe, So it would be
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: quite painful and he'd die relatively quickly, and the family
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: all just standing there watching their husband, their dad die.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace Guys a corrections officer, now
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Dad over a confrontation with a neighbor who wanted TikTok fame.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Haward Monroe at CBS
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: three Philly Time stopped in violent New Jersey Saturday as
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: they said goodbye to one of their own. Corrections Officer
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: William Durham, who was known by friends and family as Timmy,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: was killed while off duty on Monday. Timmy was a
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: great man. He was a great officer, a family man. Officer.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Durham's widow, Catherine, was guided by their two children to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: greet the procession of cars. Because of social distancing guidelines,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: New Jersey isn't allowing more than ten people to gather
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: at once, so on a cold and blistery day, friends
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and supporters came to them. Missus Durham made sure to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: wave to every car and tap her heart. He would say,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: this is too much. He always called me, gee, gee,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: this is way too much. He don't do this. He
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was always about other people. Michael Gallagher is a longtime
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: friend of Durham's and the vice president of their union.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Durham worked at the Southwoods State Prison. The three hundred
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: car procession was led by a New Jersey State Police helicopter.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Totally senseless, completely senseless. Now this guy is dead and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I got another little surprise for you. I think that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the brat, Zachary Latham. Now remember a stunned gun the dad.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Then he stabbed him multiple times even though the dad
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: was unarmed. I don't know how they're considering that to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: be voluntary manslaughter not murder. But to top it all off,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: here you have a prior post. Listen to this, Wendy Patrick,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: James shellnot you're the lawyers on today. A separate clip
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is a warning from the brat, Zachary Latham. I got
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a knife, dude, and he has a previous post holding
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a gun and says this is how you handle neighbors.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: He has a gun, this is how you handle neighbors.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: And that was before he stabbed his neighbor dead. I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: mean to me, that's all you need to show a jury.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. Yeah, that's what we call her. This pretty
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: good circumstantial evidence of intent, which is what a jury
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: is going to be looking at. You know, to how
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a neighbor few turn fatal is not the way you
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: handle neighbors. And it's a sad state of the affair
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the society that so many followers would be laking posts
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: or following post, retweeting, or reposting something that would advocate
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that kind of violence, and the widow says, people are
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: driving by our home, revving their engines just just to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: make it worse. Now, Jamie Shelnutt, now lawyer prior to
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that twenty seven years Metro major case, isn't it true?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Under the law, intent to commit an act such as
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: murder can be either express or implied. Express intent under
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the law is when you say I'm going to kill you,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: or you expressly convey you want to kill. Implied intent
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: it's when you do an act that speaks for itself,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you stab someone multiple times, or you post a TikTok
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: saying this is how you take care of neighbors and
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: show yourself with a gun. I think that is implied intent.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I think you're one hundred percent correct, and I agree
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: with you. I think that when the jury sees, if
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the prosecution's got any sense, if the jury sees this
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: video of him holding a gun saying this is how
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: you take care of neighbors, I think it's liked out
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: for this kid. You know what's scary to me is
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that this kid, you know, supposedly in the National Guard,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: has access to weapons in that role. Um, this kid
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: needs some help. He's a kid. Will you please quit
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: saying that he's not a kid. This young adult needs
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: some help and it is scary to me in that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: position those types of weapons. Well, I said, he can
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: get it behind bars. But as a matter of fact,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Leavi Page, he's not behind bars. You're absolutely correct, Nancy.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: A judge granted his release, and this is what the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: judge wrote in their ruling. The state did not meet
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: its burden to detain that there are no conditions that
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: would reasonably assure the defendants appearance in court when required
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the section of the safety of any other person in
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the community, and the defendant will not obstruct our attempt
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: to obstruct the criminal justice process. Therefore, the defendant is
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: released on level to monitoring. Therefore, the motion for pre
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: trial detention is denied and Latham is released. He's now
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: in Florida now, and there were no monetary conditions attached
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: to his release either, so he's already flowed the jurisdiction.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: He's in Florida, Jackie, you're waiving something at me about
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: he's continuing to post. Could you show me that again, please,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So this guy has actually walked free from behind bars.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder what brilliant judge did that. Oh, he's been
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: posting on the Durham's friends social media since he's gotten out.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Now see right there. To me, that's intimidating witnesses. Are
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you familiar with that, James shell Nutt intimidating witnesses. That's
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: what you're not supposed to do when you're all bond. Oh,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with it, and I have seen it
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: happy many times. You know. And in addition to intimidating witnesses,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you know, Nancy had a twenty eight years of a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: legal career between working as a detective working as an attorney.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I have dealt with a lot of situations to where
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: people killed someone and it was legally justified, whether it's
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: through investigation, to fans or otherwise. You got the twenty
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: eight years of doing that. I have never seen a
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: person who justified would killed another person turn around afterwards
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and harass the victim's family. That is just completely opposite
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of what I have seen throughout my career. And it
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: goes further to me to show what his true friend
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the mind was and what is who's this judge? Leave
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a page? I researched it and I can't remember his name.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: What judge let this guy go? I mean, this family
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: must feel like there ain't no justice at all to
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: then let Latham walk. And now he's taunting the victims
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: family and friends on social media? Can he not stop himself?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Do you know the judge's name? I don't have the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: judge's name in front of me, Nancy. But the conditions
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: of his release were so lenient that he was even
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: allowed to leave the state, Nancy. And another aspect of
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: this that has a lot of people confused is that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Latham is using a public defender, but in his TikTok
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: videos he brags about the sports cars that he has,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: including a Corvette, which is not very cheap. So people
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: are wondering, if you drive a Corvette at eighteen years old,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: why do you have a public defender as well? So
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that's another aspect of this case. People are questionable. Apparently
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a Vineland man charged in neighbor's death can stay free
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: until trial, says an appellate court in New Jersey court.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: They've backed up the judge. I just can't believe it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: The public defender is representing him. As you said, it's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Superior Court Judge William Ziegler rubber stamped the defendant's request
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to walk free, and now the defendant is out mocking
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and taunting the victim's friends on social media. This is
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: not the first time a thug or a criminal has
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: used TikTok to get famous. Take a listen to Jason
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Dennis and Barbara Gawkler at w VTM nine News. The
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: arrest comes just two days after taunting law enforcement on
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: social media app TikTok. William Reeves Durga posted a video
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: on TikTok with the caption come and get me, stating
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: he was wanted by a police. Well. That video was
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: viewed nearly four million times and got nearly one million likes.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Dur Guy is being charged with possession of cocaine and
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: use of a communication facility during the charge of a felony.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Seven others were arrested in late June after an undercover
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: investigation in Lagrange at Main Street Pub. More rest are expected. Well,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: that's just felony. Stupid. He posts this online with all
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: his dope and says come and get me. Well they did. Now,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: take a listen how TikTok played a role in discovering
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: two dead bodies in suitcase. Listen to our friend Graham
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Johnson k I r O. Seven hours before Seattle Police
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: put up crime Seed team to investigate the discovery of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: human remains at duwamish Ed. It appears a group of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: young people made a video of that discovery. So he
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: just found the suitcase and we're gonna get in opening
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: it up with the sticks. They added music and graphics
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and put it on TikTok Oh my God to wash over.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: So we called the police twice to spend two hours
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: of the waters like riping. In a blog post on Friday,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Seattle Police wrote, detectives are investigating several bags containing human remains.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine seeing that TikTok of teens out shooting
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: videos and they find the remains of your mother or
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: your father, dead bodies in a suitcase and they're opening
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: it up with a stick, and the music's playing in
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the background like it's a music video. Well, this is
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the latest that we know of in the current case.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: The case in chief Zachary Latham on bond as we
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: await justice. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend