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Episode 228: The end of GAME PASS?! · WASD and Beyond

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We should. We should get into it.
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We're about four minutes into the recording.
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You wanted to record me talking about this because you're a bad
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man. That I'm going to keep in the
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episode. What?
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No, Don't do that. No.
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I'm a bad man. I'm a bad guy.
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Nick's a bad yeah, we're not doing that.
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We are going to keep all that and people are going to make fun
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of me. That's fine.
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Welcome back to the show everybody.
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This is WASD and beyond. This is a quick one.
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This is very good. I'm not even smoking, just
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We are host this week Nick and Evan once again.
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Now let's get right into it. This could be kind of short,
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sweet and to the point with a little bit of rambling in
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between. Yes, Evan.
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So you should have some numbers for me, correct?
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You should have. A bit, a bit.
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More finite details here. Let.
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Me pull some things up here yeah intro enter it and.
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I'll talk. Yeah.
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So out of nowhere this week for us, we were just chilling at
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work and all of a sudden video game, TikTok, video game,
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Twitter, video game Instagram, video game Reddit, anywhere you
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follow your video game news was exploding.
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It was on fire. Xbox really took a shotgun to
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their own faces and pulled the trigger.
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Because this is the second price hike coming to Game Pass.
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I believe the console had already gotten a price hike
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itself, Yes, but Game Pass is going up by 50 fucking percent.
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So if you pay for the ultimate, what is the price?
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Do you have the prices in front of you?
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The ultimate price is yeah, going to $30.
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So it's it's 3 tiers. Now.
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You have like a essential, which is $10.
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It's your your basic tier. You get a premium, which is $15.
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That'll include some more things.
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And then you go from the whatever the ultimate is right
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now to $30. There's a lot of other things
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that go with this. As I pointed out to Nick
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earlier, one thing that comes with all of these now is you
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will get streaming abilities like you'll be able to stream
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games from Xbox like you know like whatever their I don't know
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what their streaming service is called, but like or if it's
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called anything specific, but. Cloud.
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Gaming, it's like cloud yeah it's the cloud gaming stuff.
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But anyway, like every tier, like every like essential,
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premium, Ultimate, they all get it, but you are limited.
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If you pay for either the 10 or $15 tier, you are limited to
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1080 PA lower like like megabits per second rate.
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And you don't get a priority or even any assistance getting into
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say certain titles that might be more popular at the time because
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of like say a big update or they're coming out, things like
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that. That's one aspect of it.
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There's other aspects of it too. Pretty shit.
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Yes, I don't think that $30 gets you inherently a better deal
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even with them adding the Ubisoft Plus classics line of
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games. Like because again, I, I, I
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question who now is going to pay $30 to?
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I mean, even just on that point, like if you just solely take
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that, it's what I'm going to pay 50% more.
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I get same benefits I already had, but instead, like now I get
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game streaming that I maybe don't even want to do and I get
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Ubisoft plus classic, Oh boy, I get to play the Rayman games.
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What, like $10 as a 20, as a 25 year old I, that's not a like, I
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don't fucking care. Those are old ass games that I
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have no reason to play. I mean, for someone like me,
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I'll just preface, I pay for PC Game Pass, which we'll talk
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about later because that's got some other things, but and I
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primarily pay for it because I like the day one releases.
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That's kind of my biggest reason for.
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It. That's everybody's fucking
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reason. Well, I hope so, but well, no,
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because I feel that there are people obviously who play on
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Xbox that pay for it because they get, you know, Xbox Live,
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they get those sorts of things. They have to pay for it.
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At that point, for someone like me who does not use an Xbox, the
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literal only reason is for like, yeah, I would rather pay
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whatever I'm paying right now than to spend $70 on Outer Wilds
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2 and $70 on Forza Motorsport. And you know, like it's easier
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for me for, for that. But like I said, I, that's me.
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You know, there's, I feel like I'm niche in in a bit of a way
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with it. I pay for the ultimate because I
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can play my games on my PC and then my son can play on the
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Xbox. Yes, yeah.
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That makes sense. They got they got children games
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on there. He's playing like Bluey and Goat
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Simulator, which is not really a child's game, but he loves that
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game and all that shit. So it's very good for us to have
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that. It's fun because I can play Silk
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Song over here while he's playing his games over there.
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It's a good, it's, it's a, it's a good ecosystem.
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It was, I'm not going to, there's no justifiable future
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for me to have this though. If it's what this is, what it's
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going to be, there's it's not possible.
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I'm not doing that. That is egregious pricing.
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You know, if they're like, hey, we're raising it 5 bucks, OK,
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that's still annoying, but this is a whole fucking like $1520
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more a month. I'm not doing that.
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You could suck my Dick. They again, they literally took
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a shotgun, put it under their fucking face and was like I
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wonder if this is loaded and pulled the trigger.
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Well. What did you think was going to
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happen here? So and yeah, so I wanted to
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confirm this. So it's going from $20 to
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$30.00. So yeah, a 50% increase.
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And what I don't understand is that like, for instance, Dustin
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Blackwell, the director of gaming and platform relations at
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Microsoft, defended the choice to The Verge, saying what's new
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for everyone across all three Xbox Game Pass plans is bigger
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game libraries, including PC games across each of the plans.
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There is also unlimited cloud gaming, which is new to
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essential and premium subscribers.
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But like, here's the thing that again, like you're, that's, I
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feel like that's the problem here.
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You're offering a very wide service that people are only
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going to pay for one part of. Like, like, not everybody.
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Wants to play the classics. Dude that's that's what I'm
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saying. Like or or guess what I pay for
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game pass because I don't have APC So what the fuck difference
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does it make to me now that I have PC gaming available?
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I don't own one. That's the reason I pay for game
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pass. Like.
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Even that just and that plan alone or like unlimited cloud
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gaming. Oh that's what I pay Game Pass
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for 'cause I want to stream a game to my phone.
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Most people's internets don't like you.
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Should I feel like a lot most people I know do have Gigabit
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speeds? Yes, but there's also a vast
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majority of people that don't. So, but, but here you go.
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Here's the thing though, too. You have iPads on the fucking
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network. You have TV's on the network.
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You got a fucking dryer on the network bro.
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A dryer, a fridge, a fridge, a microwave you got yourself,
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Everybody in the house's cell phones.
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You have to be. Hard wired to enjoy it.
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There is no other way to do any. Other any other, even if you're
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living on your own device is on your network, even with an
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extender or like a because I have two networks at home,
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right? Right.
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It's not going to make a fuck all difference because when I
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download a game to my Xbox it takes an hour or two.
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Hard wired in, I'm in, in a minute.
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My games are in, they're downloaded.
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I'm done. I am not going to trust.
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Even with my Internet speed being almost 2 gigs, I'm not
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going to trust. Sorry.
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What? I just saw a really funny quote
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you a piece. Of shit, I thought you were
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laughing at me. I'm like 2 pigs is good.
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No apparently GameStop had jokes and said $30 every month.
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Own nothing. I just saw that from the.
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Well, one of the you know, but man, the pot calling the kettle
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black here from. I mean, yeah, like you don't
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have to get in. That's a whole episode in itself
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of the predatory trading system. It's like, it's like Vince
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McMahon calling someone else out for being a piece of shit.
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It's like a. Black guy's a rapist.
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I think you're more of a rapist than that guy.
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And I only think I only thought about that because we were
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watching WWE at the bar earlier. We were.
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Yeah, I saw that photo and I was.
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Like we were enthralled. We were.
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We loved. It is entertaining.
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Oh my God, it was incredibly entertaining.
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These men are huge. They're beating the dog shit out
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of each other. You're like right on brother.
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I feel like white trash. No, I wouldn't feel like white.
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No, I said. I liked the next match because
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it was like A tag team match. I don't remember the names of
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the the chicks that were fighting though.
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Oh, that's why you're stoked on this.
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What? What?
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Moving on Outer Worlds 2 Game Pass game, not going to play it.
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No, I'm kidding. That's actually kind of what I
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wanted to segue into a bit because I, I am criticizing this
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decision of them doing this. I, I think it's a terrible, I, I
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think it's obviously getting the backlash it deserves.
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I mean, even just in our discord, we had several people
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who were like, oh, OK, I cancelled totally more to it.
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I'm also in that same camp where I'm, I'm going, I'm in a bit of
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a, I'm in a bit of a, a tough bind here because they did
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increase. So for those who don't know,
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prior to this change, there was an like exclusive like PC Game
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Pass subscription that you could pay for.
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You got the day one exclusives that were like Xbox Studios
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games that were coming to PC. You got access to like the game
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Pass library. You did get like EA Play Pro and
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some other like goodies. I think you got bonuses for
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certain games that are under the Xbox umbrella.
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Like, you know, they were giving out bonuses for Overwatch 2 and
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it was cool things like that. So I got those two, but I never,
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those are not the reason I pay for game pass.
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But either way. So it was originally $12.00 for
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me for PC Game pass. They increase the price to 1650
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now, which to me is like, that's not terrible.
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It's actually still cheap. It's it's cheaper than the old
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ultimate still. So I'm I'm getting a deal.
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I'm keeping the day one exclusive stuff and I'm not
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paying $30. And that's like what I said to
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my dad even just a couple hours ago.
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I was like, if they tell me, you know, in November, hey, PC Game
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Pass is going away, you either got like $15.00 to play the
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classics and no day ones or you pay $30.00 for the day ones and
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all the other shit. I'd rather just not pay and
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like, I won't, but the only reason I am going to continue to
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pay for game bass is because they are giving me this option.
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As soon as that option goes away, I will not give them
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anything. I I I seriously.
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But like I said, $5 or so a month more.
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It's not a terribly egregious thing to me.
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For me it's $10. A month, right?
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Like it's. It's up to $30.
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Well, it's, it's a 50% increase for you.
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Yeah. I mean, you pay.
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Ultimate. It's like, dude, like I love and
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we all to get into the weeds. We knew Game Pass was never
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gonna be profitable for Xbox. It never, yeah, no.
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And I think. It was never gonna make money
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and that's and that's it's it was ballsy when they did it.
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I wouldn't. OK, that's crazy.
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Go away the next. One day it's gonna.
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One day it's just gonna fucking die.
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It's just not. It's gonna be, it's gonna be
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good for. Them it's not feasible because
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they're gonna stop making consoles and after the next
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cycle or two and then. It's all gonna be.
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Xbox, I know. Yeah, none of it's like
13:28
honestly, it's like they don't do they make money.
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Like, I mean, it sucks dude. Like they do it's Microsoft.
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They have more money than God as Brody would say yes they but
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like it sucks dude because what again this does is for those who
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have shitty Internet connections.
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Good luck cloud gaming for those people out there who may not
13:50
have the best of jobs who are just trying to get by, but this
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one thing they have at home really helps them.
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You have something to look when Doom Maternal came out and you
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couldn't afford 70 bucks, but you were paying the 15 a month
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and you knew or the 12 or whatever you were paying.
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Whatever you knew, you. Can come home.
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That shit was on your fucking Xbox.
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You could just play it. Well, I, I think that's also a
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good part of it too, is that like people like, I would even
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point out, I'm sure that some members of our Discord listen to
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this show. I'd hope so.
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And they know. If you don't, you guys suck.
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But like they but like there are people that we know in the
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discord that like refuse to pay for even a a month of game pass.
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And it's like, inherently it is a much better deal.
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Even if it's like, OK, you want to play Indiana Jones, it is
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obviously a better deal to pay for Game Pass Ultimate for 30
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days, play through it and then cancel it.
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And I find it very interesting that even some people we know
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will go like, well, I'm not going to do that because that's
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stupid. I'd rather pay $70.
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It's like you're going to pay $40 more to sure own it, but
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like it's still a. License, dude.
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It's it's still it's that's true.
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It's still a license at the end of the day.
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They can pull it whenever they want.
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Yeah, if you. Want it?
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Which sucks because it's not it's not the old days dude where
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you bought a disc, it didn't download that disc was yours.
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It's that was a license still. But what are they going to do
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break in your house and fucking that disc is confiscated.
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It's like when Manhunt was like, controversial, they wanted to
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pull it. Right.
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How are you going to pull it from people who already own it?
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Exactly. It's come get.
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It's like saying I'm going to it's like saying I'm going to
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take your guns. Like whereas how are, how are
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you going to walk in and take my, you know, it's the same way.
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How are you going to walk in and take my My Crimson Red Sky's
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Xbox game? Look, you're not going to well,
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so look at look at, look at Manhunt, right, the controversy.
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And then let's look at Hatred. Hatred was pulled, Agony was
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pulled from Steam. Dale's games were removed and
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brought back. Were they?
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What were they removed for? Like what's the specific it?
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Was the conscience in the games? Agony was surprising, Hatred I
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couldn't understand because hatred is hatred.
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Just was dumb. It was a dumb but I understand
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that, but it deserves to be there.
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Yeah, you're right on that. I don't inherently disagree, but
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just because of the fact of game preservation.
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But I also am like, but I'm also not opposed to the fact if you
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wanted to put it into a separate dustbin of steam store and say
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like, here's where we throw all the forgotten.
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There's the slop. Like, yeah, here's here's here's
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want it. To be postal like want.
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It to be postal? Well, yeah, but it doesn't have
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nearly any of the. Just outright stupid the.
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New one. Postal.
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Yeah. Well, yeah, Postal was very
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ironic to itself. It was on the nose.
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It was all it. Was all it was all on the nose
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and I didn't play that much of it.
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Agony was just. Like it was cold.
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Porn, basically. There was, well, yeah, there was
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like 1, there was a, there was gore and then there was a lot of
16:48
like a sex scene type thing and like a baby that you take the
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fetus, the aborted baby, and you smash it with a rock.
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So but like it, but it's a key. It's, it's a whole thing.
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So like, but that was pulled, censored.
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It was censored, then released and then they released the
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unrated version. So it's like but with Manhunt
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and Postal 2 back in the day. You Postal 2 is a perfect
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example. Grand Theft Auto is a perfect
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example. We're so often going.
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I'm sorry, no, because we're going to get right back in Game
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Pass. But I owned those.
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You can't take those Game Pass. The problem is, again, that with
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games that they're here and they're gone.
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You know, if Xbox finds that this game did, they don't like,
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it's not in line with what they want, boom, it's gone.
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But that's for any service. But yeah, that goes, that goes
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for any service, yeah. You know, but my this is not
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consumer friendly, right? It's not consumer friendly at
17:45
all to just this the second rug pull that's happened.
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Well, and I. And no one can afford the
17:51
console now, right in this economy?
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Fuck no. Those tariffs are killing
17:56
everybody. Like.
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Here's my too far into that. No, you're, you're fine.
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But like I want to point out, there's a certain type of
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language that they use where it's like it, it really bothers
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me, right? Because it's very corporate
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jargon of like, well, we're making these changes today
18:16
because we want to increase the value, flexibility and
18:20
enjoyability of your Game Pass. And it's like, and it's like,
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it's like, did you check with any of us to see if we had a
18:26
problem before? Because inherently, judging by
18:30
the mass cancellations, people aren't really liking this change
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guys. You know who I see fucking not
18:36
like Game Pass? What?
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The people who call themselves Team Blue PlayStation or in a
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Team Red Nintendo, which like guys, we're all in the same boat
18:47
every from PC to the console games, we're all in the same
18:51
boat. We should all want to succeed,
18:54
because if we all succeed and we're all gaming what we want to
18:57
game, we as the players win. But when you do this dumb shit
19:00
and then you wish for a downfall from one party, this is what
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happens. Well, and that's like, and, and
19:06
that's what you're getting because you're, I mean, I think
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that's all manufactured by the creators in the space.
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I don't inherently think that PlayStation or Xbox give a shit
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or Nintendo gives a shit about. Its players.
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They don't give a shit about people fighting with each other
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over the Internet. That's not their job.
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But like, you're inherently right because I, I do have an
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issue with people who try to make this into sort of like a
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like a pseudo culture war type of thing of like, oh, gotcha.
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Well, well, yeah, look at look at all those team green players
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now they're suffering because Xbox is hiking up the prices.
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And it's like those, those team green players are going to come
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back at the blue players and say, well, your console is
19:46
already wickedly expensive and getting more anyway because they
19:48
had a price hike too. And it's like, guys, you're
19:50
shooting at each other when you should be angry at the people
19:54
that are forcing you to do this shit.
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Like you should be angry at Xbox and Microsoft because they're
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raising the price on this shit. And I'm sorry, their answer or
20:05
their explanation or their reasoning is not inherently,
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it's pretty piss poor. Like you're increasing, you're
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increasing my flexibility with Game Pass.
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What? What does that flex but
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flexible? No, I know what they mean.
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They mean it in the sense of if I have an Xbox and I also have a
20:20
fucking nice Samsung phone and maybe I have a laptop, then
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maybe I'll want to stream Xbox Game Pass games to my laptop on
20:27
my phone. But like that's my point is that
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like like again, I paid I paid 12 fucking dollars a month for
20:35
one specific service. It was to have those day one
20:39
releases. Could not give a fuck less that
20:42
you give me Overwatch 2 charms or you give me a valorant skin
20:46
or you let me play as some sort of champion in League of
20:48
Legends. What about the?
20:49
Fortnite thing that everyone's What was that called?
20:52
Yeah, it's like, it's, it's like.
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Buddy or. Something it's like the Fortnite
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Fortnite Creator or Fortnite Yeah Partner mode, whatever the
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fuck it was, but like still. OK, so now I'm paying $30 more
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for a service I will never use because I could not care less
21:06
about Fortnite I. Don't even know it exists until
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this. Well that's what I'm saying.
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Same thing with like as I said at the start at the top of the
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episode. Ubisoft plus classics.
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Oh man I I'm so glad I paid $30.00 a month to play Rainbow
21:20
6/1 like I'm so. Glad load properly on.
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The right, that's what I'm saying, Like, oh, I'm so glad I
21:28
paid $30.00 a month to play Halo Combat Evolved.
21:32
You know, like, listen, just buy the fucking game.
21:37
That's what I'm saying. Like at that point.
21:39
But what? Like, yeah, I just, like I said,
21:44
I'm personally like if I really think about it, I'm, I, I'm
21:50
definitely in a spot where it's like, I want to cancel my
21:52
subscription just out of solidarity and I probably should
21:55
to do the right thing. I need to.
21:59
And I, and I do need to, however, I think at the most
22:01
what I'll probably do, because I want to play The Outer Worlds
22:04
too, is I will pay the 1650 October 19th and then I'll
22:07
cancel after that because it's like inherently, I mean,
22:11
honestly, I don't even really know what games are coming out
22:13
for the rest of year that I even want to play.
22:15
I couldn't care less about Black Ops 7.
22:16
That's probably the only one that I would normally play, but
22:19
I'm not doing that anyway because as far as far as I
22:21
understand the campaign is like some 4 player Co-op nonsense.
22:24
I couldn't care less. But yeah, like I want to play
22:29
Outer Worlds too, so it's like I'll probably pay for it then
22:32
cancel it. I get that next month and I can
22:33
play. And then I mean honestly, I
22:36
didn't even play the first game so I don't even know why.
22:38
I don't even know why I want to play the second one but.
22:40
GameStop is still selling like three month cards for.
22:44
Like that's awesome. They should well I mean cuz
22:47
honestly, how do you they got? It in stock.
22:48
Well, how do you avoid that like?
22:50
You don't because it's already in the what are you gonna send
22:54
an Xbox Rep in a fucking green suit in a Master Chief helmet
22:57
going all of the cards now it's. The thing I wanna, here's the
23:02
thing. I wanna pose this to you.
23:04
Do you think they walk this back?
23:06
They walked back the price hike for the day like the their AAA
23:09
studio games, like they were going to 80 and they walked them
23:12
back down to 70. Do you think that they're going
23:14
to even make some slight change? I mean, this is actively going
23:18
to hurt their wallet. Like, I mean, if, if, if as many
23:21
people are cancelling as social media is sort of trying to show,
23:25
which I, I'm hesitant in saying that because I don't believe
23:28
anything I see anymore, but like.
23:32
The website crashed Evan. That's what I'm saying.
23:35
The cancellation site crashed. I know and and I also know that
23:40
from just our discord of how people, I mean you, Brody Logan.
23:45
Pissed. Pissed.
23:46
I think a lot of people, yeah, I mean cancel it.
23:49
Like I said, the only reason I'm keeping mine is because it's
23:51
like I said, as far as I'm concerned if I get grandfathered
23:55
in with a separate with like this the 1650 pass where I'm
23:58
still paying less than ultimate. At that point, yeah, I'm keeping
24:01
it. That's fine with me.
24:02
I'm OK with that. Like it's a $5 increase.
24:07
Like I'm not standing in solidarity with any of y'all
24:09
motherfuckers at that point. I'm grandfather.
24:11
I'm sorry, I'm not that but but but like that's but but I'm
24:14
being like I'm sorry I'm being. No white guy loyalty.
24:17
There says Tom's cigarettes said there's no like, but like like
24:21
you're you're. But you're right.
24:23
Because yes, I like inherently I agree with it and I, I agree
24:27
with cancelling your subscription if you're not happy
24:30
with the change that you will be affected with.
24:32
I am being affected, but it is not nearly as egregious.
24:36
It it is, it is, it is very. And I'm comfortable I'm OK with
24:40
paying them an extra $5 if it means I could keep this.
24:43
Because at the end of the day, I'm not surprised that this
24:45
price is going up because it's exactly what's happening with
24:49
all the streaming services. They're doing the same thing.
24:51
That's what it always was, guys. They played, yeah, they played
24:54
all of us. They went, They said, oh, get
24:56
rid of cable, ditch cable, ditch satellite, go to streaming.
24:59
It's the same guys. They they're telling us the same
25:02
shit like you. Remember you remember Xbox Live.
25:06
Yeah, exactly. Guess what?
25:07
It's it's not Xbox Live anymore, kids.
25:09
It's Xbox Game Pass Ultimate. It's also $15.00 more.
25:13
Remember. You remember when Sony barely
25:15
had an online fucking service all the way up into the PS3?
25:19
I mean I mean fuck how much even was like Xbox Live?
25:23
Like how much was just Xbox Live 10 Duck 10/10/10?
25:26
Dollars $10 it was. $10 It was 10 ducks, it was 10.
25:29
Birds 1010 to 12 bucks. I think it was 10.
25:34
I think it was 10 bucks because I remember my dad saying it was
25:36
like, yeah. How old was how old was I in
25:42
like 2000? 14 I'm 30 right now.
25:45
The. Original.
25:46
I don't know what was the. Original look up how much Xbox
25:48
was like OG Xbox Live because I had it since day one.
25:52
I had Xbox Live since day one with that.
25:54
How can you tell me that AI is smart?
25:55
It couldn't even tell me what the.
25:58
Man, I don't know shit. And OK, this is going to blow
26:02
your fucking mind. How much were we paying for Xbox
26:04
Live back in the day? Microsoft launched Xbox Live in
26:07
November 2002. It was 4995 for a year.
26:14
Yeah, OK. So like I paid when we were
26:16
living in Rochester, like 60 bucks when I was 4/13/14 years
26:21
old. We were paying like 60 bucks a
26:22
year. That's crazy.
26:25
Yeah, $50 a year when it originally launched.
26:28
Yeah. So.
26:30
You. Want me to pay 350 now?
26:33
It included it included a they gave you a starter kit that
26:38
included the one year subscription, a mini game and a
26:41
headset for $50 now. And the antenna.
26:45
You got the antenna with it too. Right, yeah, now they're asking
26:48
you for 30 bucks a month for what?
26:51
And like I also got to point out where are they getting this 75
26:56
day one releases from Like. Talk over bro.
27:00
But no, I'm not even. No, even if we just take it from
27:03
January 2026 to December 2020. 60 absolutely not.
27:07
Are you telling me that Xbox is suddenly gonna be outputting 75
27:11
/ 75 day one games? No, no, you're purchasing the
27:15
licensing or like the ability to give those games on to game pass
27:18
for when they come out. They're not day one passes or
27:21
day one releases from Xbox. Like we would have had that if
27:25
you gave us Fable. If you gave us, I don't know,
27:27
fucking perfect fucking dark. How about look at like old IPS?
27:31
Like brute force. I mean, there's so much you guys
27:34
have in the back catalog that you just said.
27:36
Here's Gears of War E Day is not coming out this year.
27:40
The next Forza is not coming out this year.
27:42
Forza Horizon 6 is coming out next year.
27:44
There's a Halo Grand Championship where we should
27:47
possibly see the next steps in what the Halo Studios is doing.
27:51
But again, Xbox, you released the Xbox Series X with the Chief
27:57
all over it on the chip. Yes.
27:59
With no Halo, yeah, this, this this console cycle has been
28:05
vicious. It's been, I would argue it's
28:08
been more vicious for Xbox than for Sony.
28:10
And I only say that because I got to play Ghost of Yo Tech
28:14
like oh. You're such a bitch.
28:16
Hold on, because you would agree with me too, because you've also
28:19
gotten Death Stranding too, and that is a kind of that.
28:22
It's one of my. Game it's.
28:23
Pretty much my game of the year almost.
28:25
Yeah, but that, but that is also a game.
28:27
Both of those are games that I feel push the medium of those
28:30
genres a bit. They they don't necessarily like
28:33
fill it out or like it's not a cultural phenomenon.
28:35
That's the way that say, Elden Ring was.
28:37
I don't think they would ever even hope to reach that.
28:39
But I don't mean that in the negative way.
28:42
I just mean that, you know, but. No, no, I get it.
28:46
What I'm trying to say here is like Sony gives a lot of those
28:50
studios, at least it feels like to me, is the consumer autonomy
28:53
to pursue what they want to make.
28:55
And they make and they make. Yeah.
28:57
And they make good products. They like look at dust stranding
29:00
to look at Marvel Spider man 1-2 and Miles morale of.
29:04
War. God of War 2018 and Ragnarok
29:07
goes to Sushima. Ghost of Yote like and I'm sure
29:10
I'm missing some. The first Last of Us.
29:13
The first last of the second Last of Us.
29:16
I'll give it when it came out pretty good.
29:18
Y'all have ruined that shit because you cannot stop turning
29:21
it into a fucking franchise. Stop it.
29:24
Let that. Shit, Neil Druckman sitting
29:25
there teasing 3. Anyways, back to.
29:28
Yes, but. We can put a bow soon.
29:31
Right, exactly. But you're, you're right in that
29:34
essence. And like, I feel that these
29:40
changes are obviously affecting negatively a lot of people and
29:44
rightfully so. And I think that that is the
29:46
best way to anyone who listens to this that maybe is on the
29:49
fence. If you're mad about this shit,
29:51
the best way you can protest it is with your money.
29:54
So if you are not happy with it, stop paying for it.
29:57
And honestly, I'm saying that like I said my my honest of my
30:01
honest thoughts here. I will pay the last 1650 October
30:06
19th. I will play outer Outer worlds 2
30:09
and I will cancel it then like because because realistically
30:15
there are not any game I at this point even with 1650, it's not
30:19
worth it for me. I I would be better off just
30:23
paying for Forza Motorsport and Claire Obscure because those
30:28
will be on sale now anyway so I will inherently get them
30:31
cheaper. They're a little older, but
30:34
like, I mean even 1650 a month for what?
30:38
Even next year I'm going to get what, Forza Horizon 6, Gears of
30:44
War? You don't.
30:44
Know what we push back. You don't know what we push.
30:46
Back well and I'm let's just let's just say that be the games
30:49
that they were supposed to come out this year will come out next
30:51
year that aren't cancelled Gears of War E day and Forza Horizon 6
30:56
that's both of those that's $140.00 so like you know I I
31:02
don't. What in the world?
31:05
You asked me if I think they're going to pull this back.
31:09
I don't know because there's not been crowd control on this so
31:12
far. Inherently Sorry I was just
31:14
going to say for the 1650 for a year that is $200.00.
31:18
So I am paying more money just for those two games if I pay for
31:22
my 300. Game Pass 60 for me.
31:25
Yeah, exactly. So just I'm sorry, I'll.
31:27
Suck my Dick. That's what I'm saying.
31:29
So like at this point, I'm literally going to pay that 1650
31:34
to play Outer Worlds 2 and that's it.
31:36
And then I'm done. Because like, and I, I'm saying
31:39
that now, I had just said obviously prior in the episode
31:41
that like I'll continue to pay at, at this point, now that I've
31:44
actually done the math myself, no, this is not worth it to me.
31:47
This is an extra $200 a year that I don't need to pay for.
31:50
I'd rather pay $70.00 for Forza, $70.00 for Outer Worlds 2 if I
31:55
even like it that much and and be like OK it's $140.
32:00
Here's the cycle. Raise price, layoff employee,
32:05
cancel game, shut down studio and then continue that fucking.
32:09
That's part of it too. I I don't want to support a
32:11
company that continues to shut down games like I wanted the
32:14
perfect dark game and, and I'm sorry I I.
32:16
Have we all fucking did? I know we did but like now like
32:20
you're not giving me justification to understand it
32:23
as if I'm an if I'm a sole like Xbox player.
32:26
I have seen 2 price hikes. I have seen perfect dark get
32:29
cancelled. I have seen Gears of War and
32:31
Forza delay delayed, I have seen other games get delayed, and I
32:34
have gotten like a handful of releases this year that are
32:37
actually worth fables been delayed.
32:38
I've gotten a handful of releases this year that are
32:40
actually worth it to me and now you're telling me I got to pay
32:43
50% more if I'm paying ultimate? So like.
32:46
By the way, if you want, you're kind of treating the 15.
32:49
Yeah, they're spitting on you. They're.
32:51
Not even. Letting you blow your load but
32:54
like if you pay the 15 bucks. That excludes Call of Duty, by
32:58
the way. Are you serious?
33:01
Does it give you other day one games but not that?
33:05
Excludes Call of Duty. What the fuck kind of time?
33:08
You have to purchase. You have to purchase Ultimate to
33:11
play Call of Duty. Are you fucking shitting?
33:13
That's such bullshit. Yeah, that's.
33:17
I didn't even know that I'm actually, this is supposed to be
33:20
like a professional podcast where we are very good at what
33:22
we do. I'm very angry with the fact
33:25
that like, I'm learning this for the first time, but like, are
33:28
you serious? Like.
33:29
This just seemingly it's worse while streaming the games.
33:31
I saw that, Yeah, I, I mean. So possible ads while you stream
33:35
the games as well. So like.
33:38
Listen man, I'll just say this because it's the only outlet I
33:42
have for this to people who may listen.
33:44
If you want this type of shit to stop, whether you're a Xbox
33:48
gamer, a Sony gamer, a Nintendo gamer, if you play sports games
33:53
exclusively, if you play COD exclusively, if you hop around
33:57
from game to game, if you love single player adventures, if you
33:59
love indie games, stop paying these massive companies money
34:07
every month, stop. And, and like I said, my, my
34:12
October renewal is my last renewal.
34:14
I'll hold to that. I will prove it if I have to.
34:17
Like I legitimately am at this point now.
34:21
Like show them that you want it when it's out and it's good.
34:27
And here, here I will give you my 50, my 60, my $70 when you
34:33
have shown me that the game you have made is worthy of that.
34:36
But I am, I'm sure as many people who may listen to the
34:39
show are pretty tired of paying 60-70 dollars for a game that is
34:46
not well made. You know in the words.
34:52
Of a great man won't do it. I was going to say in in the
34:58
words of a great man, what does, what does Gabe Newell say?
35:03
He goes slow. Is whatever suck is suck?
35:07
Is forever? Yeah, Suck is forever.
35:09
Suck is he? Delay, delay, delay is now suck
35:13
is forever. It's something like that.
35:15
I'm going to look it up because I want to get it right.
35:17
It's a great quote. About Suck is forever, you know
35:21
it is. It's very blunt and I appreciate
35:23
that. Yeah, new old man.
35:26
His the the specific quote is late is just for a little while.
35:30
Suck is forever and and like this is in relation to the idea
35:37
of Halo being delayed or being bad or not Halo.
35:43
Sorry half life. I'm sorry I completely fucked
35:45
that up. Why didn't you correct me First
35:46
off? Because I was I was waiting for
35:48
you to get yourself back on track.
35:49
Yeah. Thank you.
35:50
Thank you for giving me that, that patience.
35:54
But he's right. And that's specifically talking
35:56
about a game having struggles, you know, a specific title.
36:00
They've cancelled Half Life 3 three literally 3 times.
36:05
But I think that he those words there should ring true in the
36:09
sense of like. But I think that that if you
36:13
change it a little bit and instead of don't consider it
36:15
about just a specific game. No, no, no.
36:19
But even if you take it into the context of Game Pass, you are
36:24
going to burn so many bridges with people because of the way
36:27
you're treating this that they will not come back.
36:30
I think, and, and maybe I'm wrong on that, maybe people are
36:33
stupider than I think. And that's probably true.
36:35
I they are. I typically try to give people
36:38
the benefit of the doubt and believe.
36:39
You shouldn't anymore. I shouldn't, but either way,
36:42
like that's inherently who I am and I I feel that yeah man, if
36:49
they burn you fucking 6 times why would you go back to be
36:52
burned to 7th like. Because the same people who are
36:54
going to continue to support this are the same people who are
36:57
going to continue to support EA during this transfer of power to
37:01
the Saudis and Jared Kushner. They're going to continue to buy
37:04
Madden games. They're going to continue to buy
37:06
FC games. They're not going to give a fuck
37:08
about games like Mass Effect, you know, like, obviously.
37:13
Because, because because I don't play them, I don't care.
37:17
And that is, yes, again, that sort of thinking is the death of
37:22
things. It is the death of things.
37:24
OK, Yeah, well, you don't play Madden, so why would you care
37:27
about Mass Effect? That's true, man.
37:29
When you wanna play a fucking single player game, you're gonna
37:32
be fucking hard pressed because. You're so well, baby.
37:34
You're gonna, yeah, exactly. Like, and, and that's being
37:37
dramatic. I'm not like saying that that's
37:40
what's gonna happen. And all of a sudden, no games
37:41
are ever gonna get made. Ever.
37:42
Because indie developers exist and they will always, always try
37:47
to make games. Just came out.
37:50
Exactly like they they like I love indie games because they to
37:55
me feel like that they are the group of people that are not
37:59
even group of people, but they are the genre of game that's
38:02
like I don't give a shit about the current market, the forces,
38:05
the whatever. I want to make this game.
38:07
I want people to see it. If they like it, they like it.
38:09
If they don't, they don't. But at least I.
38:10
They're pushing the boundaries 1. 100% I feel more boundary
38:15
pushing from from indie games than I have from like like I
38:18
like even just to to remark on it for a second here, I love
38:23
Ghost of Yote. I think they have definitely
38:25
pushed the boundary from the first game.
38:27
I think that it's incredibly beautiful.
38:29
The combat is pretty fun. However, where I'm at right now
38:33
because of my lack of weapon changes, it feels pretty bland.
38:37
So like that's kind of been annoying because I don't have
38:40
stance changes. I instead just have weapon
38:42
changes. So it just feels like I'm doing
38:44
more of the same. But like I still love the
38:48
combat. I love the, like I said, the
38:50
visuals, the story, the way it treats me as a player.
38:54
I enjoy all those things, but I'm trying to find the right way
39:01
to word this. Like I love those things about
39:05
Ghost of Yote and I find those same, I like those same things I
39:09
enjoy to be True with a lot of Sony games and I feel like they
39:12
have a formula there that's working for them in terms of
39:14
their first party titles. And it's a whole different
39:18
episode entirely. It is, it is, and I think that
39:21
that is an issue that Xbox needs to contend with on top of the
39:25
Game Pass stuff is that Game Pass would be a lot more, I
39:30
think, viable to people even at $30.00.
39:31
I think it would be a lot more viable if you gave people the
39:34
incentive of the type of day one, like like the type of games
39:38
that Sony's coming out with. Like, I'm sorry, I will pay.
39:42
I would absolutely pay Sony like a certain amount a year or a
39:46
certain amount a month if it meant I got to play Wolverine
39:48
day one without paying $70.00 for it.
39:51
But you're going to kind of find me hard pressed now to go like,
39:54
well, will you pay, you know, 30 bucks a month to play Forza
39:58
Horizon 6? No suck.
40:00
My Dick I will find it on a on a fucking different website for
40:04
20% off and buy a key like boom. And this is what brings piracy
40:09
back into the play. Exactly.
40:11
Well, so, and that's another episode in and of itself.
40:14
But like, you're absolutely right and that people don't,
40:20
people aren't pirating games because Game Pass is $10.
40:23
They're going to pirate it because it's 30.
40:25
Exactly. So this is it's not good all
40:29
around, man. It sucks.
40:31
A lot of people are fucking bumming out and I don't blame
40:33
them. I'm bumming out.
40:34
This is bullshit. Yeah.
40:35
I just wanted to get this episode of our thoughts on this.
40:39
Obviously we are not for this. We do not agree with this.
40:41
We think this is shit. It handicaps and cripples people
40:45
across all fucking spectrums. It's gaming should be for
40:52
everybody. It should not be an exclusive
40:55
club for people who can like, you know, the most.
40:59
It's not. It's not boutique, it's for
41:00
everybody. Right, it should be. 30 bucks a
41:03
month is boutique. That is bullshit in my opinion
41:07
because it's not going to stop it from going to 60 bucks a
41:09
month one day, right? And I'm not doing that.
41:13
I'm. Not going to.
41:13
Fucking be a part of that change.
41:15
But but you have given a great point and, and one that everyone
41:19
should take home at like everyone at the end of the day,
41:22
like when we, like I'm, I know we're wrapping this episode like
41:24
right now, but Nick just absolutely made that very clear.
41:29
If they find that you're willing to pay 30, they will try 45.
41:33
If they find that you're fine with 45, they will go to 50.
41:37
And if you pay 50, they will certainly push it to 60.
41:41
They they will keep going until they find that it does not work.
41:46
That's their job. They will find a way to make it
41:50
viable to you. They will tell you any line of
41:52
bullshit they can think of. Oh well, it offers more
41:54
flexibility to our members because, well, they get all
41:57
these bonuses. But here's the thing, think
41:59
about how often you will use those bonuses.
42:01
And that's the thing here. And like I said, that's why the
42:05
only reason I paid for PC Game Pass was for day one exclusives.
42:08
Barring that, zero reason to pay for it.
42:11
And like I said, on top of the fact, like at this point, it's
42:14
just out of out of a stance, it's out of the fact of I find
42:17
that this practice is especially egregious even though they're
42:19
giving me a separate, not separate plan specific to me,
42:23
but like to PC. You're almost being
42:24
grandfathered in. Yes.
42:26
And like, sure, I appreciate that, but after thinking about
42:30
it, that means I'm not standing in solidarity with the rest of
42:35
the public who is very upset about this change.
42:38
Well, you also did. The math and you went, wait a
42:41
minute. Well, yeah, just on top of the
42:43
fact of that, like, I mean, if you simply look at if I'm just
42:45
thinking about it from a cold calculating like how much money
42:48
am I spending perspective, Sure, yeah, I'm paying more money than
42:51
I would be for the games I'd probably purchased through Game
42:53
Pass. But yeah, I mean, it's it's a no
42:57
brainer. And at the end of the day, if we
42:59
want this type of shit to stop that it includes people who
43:01
maybe aren't upset or aren't really negatively affected by
43:04
it. Like I said, even me, I'm still
43:07
paying less than the previous ultimate user, but like, you
43:11
know what, that's not good enough.
43:13
They should be hurt a little bit more and, and maybe what I say
43:16
here and maybe my lack of 1650 doesn't matter.
43:19
I'm sure it won't. I'm sure there will be plenty of
43:22
people that will still continue. 1016 fifties matter exactly
43:26
10,016 fifties matter. 100% and I and I think that that's
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important is to remember that there is power in in this if you
43:34
work together. And if yeah, if you have enough
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people that cancel their subscription and say we're not
43:38
going to do this, they will relent.
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They already did. Everybody who is an Xbox user,
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everybody who bitched about the $80 price increase for the day
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one games, guess what? It worked.
43:53
It it was a proven method to have worked.
43:55
They are in the process right now, probably thinking how can
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we make this either more sellable to them or do we or, or
44:04
do we walk it back and, and it will be walked back.
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If people keep pushing for that change, don't relent and and and
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don't for a second think that they're going to go, Oh, I'm
44:17
sorry. Like no, they will not feel bad.
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They their their soul. It's it's it's it's bad to.
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Take business, baby. It is a business like it.
44:27
It they will always consider their bottom line before they
44:31
consider the the well-being not even well-being.
44:34
If they consider the the reputation, they they don't even
44:38
think about that. P3 Yeah, fucking.
44:43
Talk about lies of P. More like Lies of Phil.
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Yeah, I heard Xbox, dude. I heard they go to abortion
44:52
clinics and they use the discharge from the aborted fetus
44:58
as the thermal paste in Xboxes they pro lifers they're using.
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You made a comment about it at work I remembered.
45:10
People don't forget. I didn't say anything.
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You said I would talk shit about P3 in some fucked up manner at
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work. I just did.
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That was off the cuff bro. That was off the brain.
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You're. Going to have to cut that part
45:21
out. I think that's.
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I'm not cutting out Xbox. As people we are fucking proudly
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Not what the. I was going to say, we've spent
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49 minutes and 10 seconds shitting on it, and you're like,
45:48
by the way, we love you guys. I do love the shirt though.
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I love the. Chief, I mean, even if you go
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just on that, you're harkening back to an era that no longer
45:58
exists. Like I mean, that type of Halo
46:01
wouldn't be made today. I can't do the next Halo game is
46:04
going to have like battle pass pickups when you're walking.
46:06
Around Do you think Master Chief does the floss in the next Halo?
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Oh, you should end this episode before I let my thoughts known.
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I will do that, yes. Go check out Final Boss down
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What do you buy in? You got to buy all the drop.
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I'm going to be wearing that fucking hoodie, that hoodie
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every day all day at work. I don't give a shit.
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It's been a fucking shit week. Let us know what you think
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either down below in the YouTube comments for e-mail us at wasd
47:02
beyond@gmail.com. Again, that's WASDBEY
47:05
ond@gmail.com. Until next week, take it easy.
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See you and. Cancel your Xbox subscription.
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Do it, bye. Do it.