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What happens when men avoid women? | Maintaining Frame 124 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Here we go. Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brianda here with Alison, and this is
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  Speaker 1: maintaining frame where we are going to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: what happens when men avoid women or how how does
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  Speaker 1: this go? Why is this allowed? Somebody do something about it?
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  Speaker 1: Is it still allowed?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Well, oh the thing we're about to talk about, yes,
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  Speaker 1: yes it is. Well we'll get into it in in
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit more lighthearted, a little more fun.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna look at previous eras and how they dealt well,
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  Speaker 3: the remains of previous eras, and how they dealt with
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  Speaker 3: men who might not have been six foot five, works
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  Speaker 3: in finance, blue eyes, trust fund, you know. Yeah, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but also got them contributing to society and feeling like
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  Speaker 3: they had status and worth. And in the past, those
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  Speaker 3: those kinds of men usually were like the second or
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  Speaker 3: third son who wasn't going to inherit the property. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so we're talking about you know that kind of thing
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  Speaker 3: like what happens when men construct a society expressly for
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  Speaker 3: the intent of avoiding women and sexuality, and uh, pretty
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  Speaker 3: soon you'll find out what that means, if you haven't
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  Speaker 1: Right, So this video is brought to us by sixty Minutes,
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  Speaker 1: and it's called Athos the Holy Mountain, and it's basically
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  Speaker 1: a little documentary about this place called Mount Athos Athos,
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  Speaker 1: and I play a little bit of the intro just
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  Speaker 1: so you guys can get like a sense of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this theme. It's a short, it's the video is only
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  Speaker 1: a half hour. I basically only like found a couple
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  Speaker 1: of moments that I thought were, you know, pretty interesting,
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  Speaker 1: and uh yeah, let's let's just let's just watch.
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  Speaker 5: Tonight for Christmas. We're going to take it to a
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  Speaker 5: place outside our world. It's not Mars or Venus, but
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  Speaker 5: it might as well be. It's a remote peninsula in
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  Speaker 5: northern Greece that millions believe to be the most sacred
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  Speaker 5: spot on Earth. It's called nond Athos, and prayers have
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  Speaker 5: been offered here every day with no interruption for more
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  Speaker 5: than a thousand years. It was set aside by ancient
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  Speaker 5: emperors to be the spiritual capital of Orthodox Christianity, and
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  Speaker 5: it's probably changed less over the centuries than any other
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  Speaker 5: inhabited place on the planet. The monks come here from
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  Speaker 5: all over and everything they can to keep what they
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  Speaker 5: call the world far away.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought that was yeah, okay, we'll play.
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  Speaker 5: Sisingly journalists are not exactly welcome. For more than two years,
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  Speaker 5: we corresponded, negotiated, and frankly pleaded for an invitation, but
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  Speaker 5: ran into one monastic wall after another. Then, as we
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  Speaker 5: first told you last spring, much to our surprise and delight,
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  Speaker 5: the monks finally said, okay, come see who we are.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So that's so basically this is a documentary
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  Speaker 1: about a place called Mount Athos, which is a holy site,
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  Speaker 1: you could say, and it's it's become a home of
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  Speaker 1: monasteries and monks, Orthodox Christian monks, Orthodox Christianity. I think
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  Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about it. There was a fissure,
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  Speaker 1: uh like right shortly after the time of the Byzantine Empire,
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  Speaker 1: and you had like the Catholic West and the Orthodox East,
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  Speaker 1: and so the Catholic Church is considered an old church
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  Speaker 1: as well, but the Orthodox Church is considered the oldest
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  Speaker 1: church of the of Christian of Christendom and at least
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  Speaker 1: and they're extremely hardcore, the extremely hardcore, and so Mount Athos,
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  Speaker 1: just like I'll give you a brief description about it,
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  Speaker 1: is referred to as The Holy Mountain is an important
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  Speaker 1: center of Eastern Orthodox monasticism, situated on a peninsula in
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  Speaker 1: Greece in the Hockey Deki region. And so basically it's
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  Speaker 1: the hockey I'm not butchering this pronunciation, but the Haulky
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  Speaker 1: Dicki peninsula extending from the Age and Ceu. It is mountainous,
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  Speaker 1: with Athos itself being the highest peak at about two
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  Speaker 1: thousand meters, and it's in the Mediterranean. So this is
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  Speaker 1: like and the thing about Mount Athos that's unique in
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  Speaker 1: this particular instance is women are not allowed there at all.
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  Speaker 1: No women allowed period, right in Mount Athos. So I
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  Speaker 1: gotta yeah, the monks. Yeah, I'm pretty based. I got
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  Speaker 1: a super chow from Master mo three sixteen. He gives
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  Speaker 1: us fifteen bucks, thank you, Master mooe, and says some
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  Speaker 1: money for the you to keep up the good fight.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, you might as you might have guessed, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people don't know this, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty fascinating because of how unchanged this place is. That's
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  Speaker 1: the thing that's like, like, basically, we'll watch a bit more.
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  Speaker 1: I'm let me know. If you're getting restless or bored,
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  Speaker 1: I can jump to the interesting bit, but that's way
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  Speaker 1: later in the story. So the story, it's good to.
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  Speaker 3: Hear about something that's of course, that was nine years ago,
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  Speaker 3: so probably it's been forced to integrate and now it's
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  Speaker 3: covered in like blue haired.
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  Speaker 1: Well no, no, mount Athos remains still pure, yes, untainted
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  Speaker 1: by the modern world and journalists. Yeah, I mean they
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  Speaker 1: don't even let journalists go there, you know. Uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the great Indoors says, and this is true too. So
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  Speaker 1: the only woman allowed to go to Mount Athos is
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  Speaker 1: actually the version Mary, which basically means no, no women
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  Speaker 1: can go because she is the she is considered essentially
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  Speaker 1: amongst uh you know, Christians that look at the saints.
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  Speaker 1: She is the greatest of the saints. So that's that's
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  Speaker 1: that is what. Uh, she's the only woman that can
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  Speaker 1: go there. But of course you know she's she hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been there yet.
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  Speaker 3: Minimum for a woman to go to this this the
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  Speaker 3: Holy No you see why they call it the holy
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  Speaker 3: like mountain because that that name is a little difficult,
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  Speaker 3: but is the bare minimum. You have to be the
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  Speaker 3: virgin Mary.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just got it. You just got to be the
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  Speaker 1: virgin Mary and then you can come. So surprisingly let's
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  Speaker 1: see if you're on the list. Let's see if you're
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  Speaker 1: on the list, the.
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  Speaker 3: Bare minimum probably is more reasonable than the minimum of
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  Speaker 3: a Twitter thought.
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  Speaker 5: Oh god, yea, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I I'd be smirched this, this, this wholesomeness with
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  Speaker 3: my bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, did you get into a fight with a
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  Speaker 1: Twitter thought?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, sort of? Maybe, I guess, I guess.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently my grammar is is masculine and patriarchal and oppressive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's listen to it was working on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I figured, I figure it'll be fun.
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  Speaker 3: Look forward to that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, let's keep going. We'll continue in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Let's see.
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  Speaker 5: This Byzantine cross marks the border between Mount Dathos and
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  Speaker 5: the twenty first century. The monks come here, as they
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  Speaker 5: always have, for the beauty the tranquility and the isolation.
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  Speaker 5: But most of all for this Father Yakovos is one
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  Speaker 5: of the few Americans on American He's been here more
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  Speaker 5: than half his life.
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  Speaker 7: You have to understand, the words that we're saying in
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  Speaker 7: today's liturgy are the same words that Christ was saying,
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  Speaker 7: the same words that saints from the first century, the
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  Speaker 7: second century, the third century, the fourth century.
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  Speaker 5: And nothing has changed in Orthodoxy since then. It's the
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  Speaker 5: only branch of Christianity that can make that claim. Father
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  Speaker 5: Alsos is the abbot the top men at Simonos Petris,
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  Speaker 5: one of the twenty monasteries. It was Ablos who invited
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  Speaker 5: us here and never let us forget what a rare
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  Speaker 5: privilege it was.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just yeah, when I.
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  Speaker 3: Look at these guys, it reminds me of a like
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  Speaker 3: a the Patriarchy account on Twitter, except in black, because
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  Speaker 3: he always has these these patriarchs and these these hats
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  Speaker 3: and you know, long beards usually you know, drinking brandy
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  Speaker 3: and smoking cigars or just doing fun things.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It just reminded me of that.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, the guys that so like in Catholicism,
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  Speaker 1: which a lot of people know, you know, they have
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  Speaker 1: the top man, right, that's the pope. But Orthodoxity doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have a pope, so instead they have patriarchs, so they
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  Speaker 1: literally they have patriarchs, and of course there are there's
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  Speaker 1: also like the it's essentially like I think it's interesting because, like,
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  Speaker 1: let's set aside the religious aspect of this. I get
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  Speaker 1: this sense that these guys are like the sort of
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  Speaker 1: like ancient Greek philosophers, right, Like they're literally still in Greece.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bunch of guys with beards. They're constantly in prayer,
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  Speaker 1: they're constantly you know, reading like the Holy Gospel and
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  Speaker 1: talking about it and thinking about it in there, and
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  Speaker 1: so they're kind of like, well, they're obviously monastics, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you even most men of the modern world couldn't
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  Speaker 1: just go on this island like it it the bar
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  Speaker 1: is high. So yeah, I mean I just think of
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like I and the what is wild
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  Speaker 1: is it is true that there are treasures in on
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  Speaker 1: this island that are beyond like measure when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to what they're worth. And they won't let anyone, like
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  Speaker 1: you can't even look at them, some of these things,
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  Speaker 1: and they're old like they go they're like you know,
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  Speaker 1: part of the first century. They're like ancient like relics,
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  Speaker 1: and it's super interesting if you're I'm saying as if
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  Speaker 1: you're like interested in history, you know, like they were saying,
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  Speaker 1: and this is what I learned from my from my priest.
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  Speaker 1: He said that there's this concept called laying laying on
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  Speaker 1: hands where you know, like everyone, how do I explain this?
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  Speaker 1: It's like when when my thought, when when my priest
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  Speaker 1: gives me a blessing, he he is basically laying hands
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  Speaker 1: on me, and and someone laid hands on him, and
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  Speaker 1: someone laid hands on the guy who laid hands on him,
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  Speaker 1: and it goes all the way back to essentially the apostles,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the idea. So like it's like keeping you
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  Speaker 1: connected to the history of you know, of this religion,
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  Speaker 1: and there is something about that that's you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just really humbling, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, well, you're part of a chain and then
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  Speaker 3: you lay exactly in.
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  Speaker 1: The chain that goes down generations. And and the thing
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  Speaker 1: is too is it makes me think about like when
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  Speaker 1: I heard about the laying on hands thing from from
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  Speaker 1: my priest, and I started thinking about because I was
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  Speaker 1: still and I still am, like very much, you know,
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  Speaker 1: interested in talking about the role father's play, and and
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  Speaker 1: I got I was thinking about things regarding that the
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  Speaker 1: way that we think of it today. We obviously we
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  Speaker 1: don't value fatherhood, but more than that, we don't even like,
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, we don't even like understand
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  Speaker 1: how much it's had an effect on our society. So
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  Speaker 1: like when women, for example, will say, well, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to take my husband's name because i'm not as
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  Speaker 1: property or whatever it is, and so I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: keep my name. And I'm like, yeah, but your name
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  Speaker 1: is your father's name. Like you're You're like they're like
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  Speaker 1: your mom or your grandma somebody at some point they
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  Speaker 1: were like, I'm going to take my man's name as
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  Speaker 1: my name, so you still have the name of a man.
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  Speaker 1: You're not actually fighting any system. You're just keeping your
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  Speaker 1: father's name instead, and it's still like a man's name.
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  Speaker 1: So but but more than that, I think about like
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  Speaker 1: how like, you know, we talk about how fatherlessness affects people,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, and like what it you know, how it
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  Speaker 1: has like behavioral consequences and cultural and social consequences. But
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  Speaker 1: there's also another thing, like if people are disconnected enough
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  Speaker 1: from their from their ancestry, then their I think their
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  Speaker 1: sense of belonging in the world in the present time
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  Speaker 1: is also damaged by that. And then and that brings
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  Speaker 1: me back to this like laying on hands thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the person like my why do we call our priest father?
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  Speaker 1: For example? I think that there's something about that that
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  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I don't claim to be an expert,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that it's pretty interesting. So anyway, No,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, I think that you're probably going to
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  Speaker 3: have a lot more insight into this than I will,
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  Speaker 3: because I'm just free floating here.
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  Speaker 1: Really attached to I just well, I think that you
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  Speaker 1: because you know, you know that you've been you studied
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  Speaker 1: Rome and the Byzantine Empire came out of the fall
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  Speaker 1: of the Roman Empire. So there's definitely like connective tissue there, right,
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  Speaker 1: the western well, yeah, the western half right mm hm
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And because a lot of the traditions of all of
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  Speaker 3: this actually goes back to to Rome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can see it in like the whole Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I'm having a bad calf day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, are you having a cramp? I hate it?
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  Speaker 3: When that happens, Yeah, well not really a cramp, just
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  Speaker 3: like general discomfort. And of course I'm standing up because yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to strain my head.
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  Speaker 1: But so so these guys are very reclusive. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that and you know, I think I still think
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  Speaker 1: that it's it's what a group of men who are
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  Speaker 1: committed to a cause, which is in this case, preserving
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  Speaker 1: what they believe to be the true Church, right, preserving Christianity.
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  Speaker 1: So it could be anything like we could be watching
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  Speaker 1: a video about I don't know, like Buddhist monks in
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  Speaker 1: China that are do because there's there's definitely like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Buddhist temples that are probably very you know, isolated, removed
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  Speaker 1: from civilization. I'm assuming that, you know, Jijingping hasn't like
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  Speaker 1: sent people down there, because that's another thing too, is
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  Speaker 1: that Orthodox Church is it's under attack in parts of
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  Speaker 1: the world like Ukraine, the Middle East. So these monks
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  Speaker 1: are they you know, they're they're part of an effort
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to like preserve what they believe to be the true Church.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And so there the and what I say it speaks
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to is like what men are capable of doing when
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: they are working together in fellowship and in and in
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: common purpose. So try to think of it that way
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: if you're you know, if you think that I'm trying
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to make the case for Skydaddy or something, so okay.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, yes, there's a there's important cultural traditions.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: There's the respect for masculinity and masculine fraternity and cooperation.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: There's a respect for masculine spirituality. There's an understanding that
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: there should be places where women shouldn't be, which is
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: something that we really struggle with today, you know, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: really struggle with. And really you have to ask yourself,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: why is it that these monks are doing this, Why
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: are they doing it? And why is it that they
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: exclude women? Why except for one, the virgin Mary?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, she's okay.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Is it just because they hate women?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: No? Of course, because.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: There's an actual purpose to all of this, right, yes.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: There is. Well there, okay, let's play some more of this.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: It happened once in nineteen eighty one.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: The last time you invited a television crew here was
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: nineteen eighty one.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: Correct, We weren't going to invite you, but your persistence
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: convinced us to open the door.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: The door he opened revealed the wonder that is Simona's Petrus,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: which fits like a crown on top of a rock
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: eight hundred feet above the Aegean. It was built in
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: the fourteenth century, and the monks will tell you it
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: must be considered a miracle that it hasn't fallen into
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: the sea.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: What is it with monks and like perching in the
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: most insane places on our It was like, you have
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: a nice flat plane. It was like, no, we go
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: up the sheer cliff. Yeah, the dissuade people.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So this structure has been here since the fourteenth century.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. And then and it stays there. It's still there, right, Yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: it's the only safe space for men. It's like literally
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: where guys have to go, like just to get away
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: from women because honestly, like these guys are obviously very peaceful,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: but they they know how to say no and they
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: have they said. The guy said, the last time we
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: even had a camera crew like journalists here was in
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one. And they only let these guys come
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: down because they were so persistent. And I mean, I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: get it, you know, I get it. I wouldn't want
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: journalists anywhere near me. So there you go. Yeah, okay,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: so let me see if I can get to Yeah,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: so the door opened. Let's yeah, let's let's place some
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: of this more. There's some really cool stuff in here.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: There are twenty monasteries on Mount Ghetto's. Some look like
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: medieval fortresses. Others are so large they resemble small. They
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: rise from virgin forests and line the coast shrouded and missed.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: There's nothing on this one hundred and thirty square miled
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: peninsula other than monasteries and monks. Nothing.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not There are no hotels, no restaurants,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: just monasteries and monks. There's a fairy and that's it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Not even like animal husbandry. I mean there's obviously plants. Okay,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I'm being pendantic.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, they're they're the well, the monks
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: they I mean, we don't have to play the whole video,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: but I'll say the monks they grow all their own food. Like,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, by the way, you're gonna love this. Not
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: only do they not allow women on the island, they
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: don't even allow in certain because there's like all these
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: are monasteries. A lot of the monasteries don't even allow
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: female animals. I don't know how they do it, but
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: they don't even like they even don't allow female animals
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: on the island or or on the property of the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: of the monasteries.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: So it's like the question here is I could be like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: oh my god, so misogynists, but the real question to
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: me is what function does this serve? Why are they
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: doing this, and why is it that this is important? Okay,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: because this is this is a cultural tradition that's lasted
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: a thousand years, that's longer than most of the modern nations,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Like it is longer than most modern nations. So you
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: have to ask yourself what, what purpose, what what is
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: the function of this and why why is it necessary?
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: As opposed to just getting offended at it?
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I guess so. So the exclusion of women.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So I did a little bit of digging on stuff
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: just because I know about Mount Athos, because it's sort
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: of like proof at least with Orthodox Christianity that is
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: not ginocentric, like there's a place that there's no like
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: this for women. In Orthodoxy, it's only for men. So
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the exclusive women is often explained as a way to
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: preserve the monks's commitment to a life of celibacy and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: spiritual focus, free from any potential distractions. But this restriction
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: has been in place for centuries, and for most of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: that time women have not demanded to go to the island.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: They are doing it like in this sort of like
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: in the last century, but or in the last like
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: fifty or sixty years, but not before that. And the reason,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: honestly is to aim to maintain a purely male monastic
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: environment dedicated to spiritual discipline and prayer. This rule applies
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to all females. This includes women of all ages, from
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: infants to the elderly, and in some interpretations even female
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: animals are not allowed, though this is less strictly enforced.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so like the some people on the outside
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of claim that this is because the women would be distracting,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: but the monks are they don't want to be distracted
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: by anything, and actually they're not. Like once you enter
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the monastic tradition, the monks are essentially there's this saying
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: just you can see this that that there there's this
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: thing that they that you will hear from priests, which
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: is pray without ceasing. So it's essentially this. The goal
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: is to remain in a constant state of prayer and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the monks on this in this monastery, they do that,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: so like they're they're doing that constantly, even when some
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: of them even do it while they're asleep, or at
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: least this is the claim. So it's not that women
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: would be a distraction, it's simply that they don't belong there.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: M Well, the other thing is that in terms of
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: social effect, do any of these the monkst do any
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: kind of service for the community, or do they go
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: out in the community, or do they train people that
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: go out in the community, or.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: The monastics they're they're just like monastics. But I think
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: let's see how they I'm just looking to see what
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: they do here.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: What's interesting about this is this is a life of
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: meaning without women.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: And to know that there are men pursuing this, even
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: if they don't go out and teach or minister, that
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: must have some effect psychologically. I mean, like I said,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: this is this is men pursuing meaning in the absence
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: of women, right.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So essentially they do services there and they do
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: like they do you know, have they rely a lot
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: on donations, but they they specifically preserve cultural and religious
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: artifacts Byzantine art, including mosaics, frescoes, icons, and there are
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like thousands and thousands of icons. Do you know what
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: do you guys know what an icon is? I I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: think so, yeah, well there's one right on my wall
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: back there, like over my head. And they're basically like
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: they are usually on wood or they could be I guess,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: but usually on wood, and they're like paintings, and they're
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: very specific. There's like a they have, they have very
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: specific rules, so they're they're more than just art, but
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: they do preserve art and manuscripts as well. Some of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: these are UNESCO World Heritage Sites. They're they're historical sites obviously,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: so they're but they're not tourist sites. So it's not
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: like you're going to a museum. That's why, like I said, there,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: their whole thing is preserving, preserving, preserving, so and they
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: they also do right, they write, you know, and they
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: perform services. Pilgrims can go. They have to be men though,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: but pilgrims or people come from all over Serbia, Greece, Russia,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and they go there for services, They go
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: there for the divine liturgy. Sometimes they go there to
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: be you know sort of like charismated or brought into
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the church. So it holds. Uh, it's they have very specific,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: you know, things that they do. So okay, anyway, so
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: let me do you want me to jump ahead to
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: another bit here?
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, jump ahead. Just summarize what you're skipping over though.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: If yeah, they're basically just talking about what they do
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: there the side, the fortresses, the various you know, buildings
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and such. But let's see, uh oh yeah, four fifty.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: There's something kind of interesting here about this place too.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: It's a spartan way of life, but all the monks
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: we talked to said they never want to leave, not
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: even for a day. So they try to be self sufficient.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: They grow their own fruits and vegetables, do their own tailoring.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: And when they get sick. There's an in monastery doctor,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: father Imalayos, who's not very busy because the monks are
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: in excellent shape. There's remarkably little cancer, virtually no heart
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: disease or Alzheimer's. They must be doing something right. In
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: addition to drinking wine at nine in the mornings, they.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Eat, so these guys they don't even get sick, Like
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: they don't get there's remarkably little cancer, virtually, no heart disease,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: no Alzheimer's. M h. I mean it's it's it's almost
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: like they're avoiding seed oils and they grow their own food,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: they fish, you know, the whole thing. Okay, I got
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: a super chow from Richard Pierre for five bucks and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: he says there was that one feminist retreat island where
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: everything did have to be built by men who were
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: promptly kicked out after the construction was completed. I don't
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: know if it's still in operation though. Well, if you
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: know the name of it, good look it up.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting, isn't it. Yeah, on their own, they
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: are just perfectly fine, almost completely autonomous. But yeah, it's
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: like that whole argument I got on Twitter with the
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: rad femme. Well, actually the argument started with her saying,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: we'll have our separatist femtopia as soon as men give
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: it to us. Okay, dread enemy to give you, to
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: essentially turn you into basically the aristocratic class in like
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: seventeenth century France. There are gonna do everything for you.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: They're gonna wipe your ass for you, And you expect
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: me to believe that you genuinely think men are the
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: enemy when you have these expectations for them. Bullshit.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, okay, all right, let's listen to some more of
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: this bit. And again these guys are all like they
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: don't they're cooking, they're cleaning, they're doing all this stuff
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that supposedly is women's work. Men don't have a problem
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: doing it. So anyway, let's keep going.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Two meals a day. There is what they call the
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: first meal, which lasts ten minutes, and the second meal,
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: which lasts ten minutes. There's no meat and no dinner
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: table conversation. The only sound a monk reading from sacred texts.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: We were surprised by how busy the monks are when
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: they're not praying, they're working. Father Theodosius born in Lutheran
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: Germany is a mechanical wizard who has given the monastery
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: continue Us electricity and occasional hot water.
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: Many Christians in the world, they are looks like the systems.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: He looks what he looks like the systems admin. You know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: yeah right, you know, God, if you've ever been to
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: like a university and you go down to the layer
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: of the systems that men, yes, this guy looks like it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Like him.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: The tropes and archetypes hold in every circumstance. I guess, okay,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just thought that.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Was I know, it's okay. It said, yeah, they say
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: no meat, but the truth is some do and there
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: they have, uh you know, like they fish, and I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: think there's chickens and stuff. So, but it depends on where.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I guess what part of the island or what part
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: of Mount Athos you're at.
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: So for the original church, you know, for for the
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: ancient church.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Do you think this is the closest to the original church.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: Yes, when you come to Athol, you will see it
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: has everything you ever sought for.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Father of Verchios takes care of the ancient footpaths.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: He clears the trails. We went with him and what
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: was for us an exhausting hike on the hills above
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: the monastery. It wasn't tough for him, though. He says
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: that after decades of roaming the world, this is his path.
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: I've been to many places.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: Tell me where.
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: From Switzerland, of course, from Sweden, Finland, Spain, Portugal, Singapore,
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: Australia and Texas.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: How did you like Texas?
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: I liked very much. I liked mostly the people.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: Now, with all the traveling you've done, how did you
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: end up here?
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: I was settling for a way of life. I can
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: give all of myself to that, and I think the
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: God of Jesus is above all the other's Monday lifestyle,
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: even family.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: The family.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so let's let me the They basically go
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: into like the sort of the details about the monks,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but we can jump ahead here if you like, oh yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: there's one of the well, that's that's getting into other
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: stuff because like one guy, his father died but he
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: didn't go to his funeral, and he's explained that he
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: he this is like how committed they are to this,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: but his his reasoning is that he's going to see him,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you know later. But I want to go to where
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: we get to the women park because I think that's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: what everybody wants. Right Let's let's see. Okay, so jump
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: up to nineteen forty eight, so it's kind of a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: ways in. Okay, how about right.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Here, fabric said to be part of a garment worn
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: by the very marriage. The irony is well, the mother
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: of God is reverewed here. No other woman is permitted
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: to even set foot on Mount Death. It's been like
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: that four thousand years.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: The reason literally a thousand years since a woman has
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: been there. Is that crazy to think about? Like what
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the year? What one? Well we're in the year twenty
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and twenty, so like the year one thousand something. That's nuts, man,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: just to think about that. So they are misogynistic, yes, obviously,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and it's been doing just fine without women for a
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: thousand years and base record. Yeah, all right, let's let's
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: keep going. You know.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Actually that's an interesting Like everything else that has women
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: in it seems to have a max lifespan of about
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty years.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Actually, that is interesting, right, I didn't think about that. Yeah, well,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: how do they reproduce?
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: No?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: People join them? That's how Okay, let's let's keep going.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: People can join freely. But it's not easy to become
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a monk. It's a lot of work. You have to.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't. I couldn't do it. I know
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that for sure. I'm too.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Probably have a wait list or they have high standards.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And extremely high standards.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, you know, there might be like more monasteries with
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: like the B class monks and the C class.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Miktao, Miktow gotta get on this guys. These guys level.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: That's you guys got a way to go. That's like,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: that's like, uh, you know, epic endgame content for Migtao
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: is to go to Mount Athos.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I can't believe we haven't done a review on bear
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: gillis the island where they bear grills. Yeah, mean the
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: one where they sent the women and then they had
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: to take the women nearly freaking died, so they so
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: they had it so that what they did was they
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: sent one woman to the men's island and one man
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: to the woman's island, and the men and they Initially
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: the guy who went to the women's island was like yeah,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: you know, like quagmire giggity, but then after a day
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: he was begging to go back because guess who was
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: the automatic task everything?
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Everything right?
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, everything and uh. And then the woman on
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: the men's island, of course, was perfectly happy because she
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: got to eat and enjoy fresh water and shelter because
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: they were all cooperating to create those things, and there
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: was enough of them that the fact that she sat
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: on her ass and did nothing didn't really affect the
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: productivity of of the of the area, which is probably
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: why we've never evolved to have more than half women.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Even though supposedly women would increase the carrying capacity or
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: our ability to reproduce. I don't think they would, but regardless, Oh,
• 41:11
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• 41:14
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• 41:39
  Speaker 3: which is probably better for men's mental health and the
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: entirety of the American Psychological Association. Let's face it. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: guess that's a bit of a flex but we're probably
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: doing more than that entire association, probably because we're not
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: actually saying that men men's mental health would improve if
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: they stopped identifying as men, don't you know.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, okay, all right, let's keep going.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Orthodox's doctrine is a Christ gave the peninsula to his mother,
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: and all other women have been excluded. So as to
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: fully honor the virgin Mary. It's also been said that.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I forgot to I forgot that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: So the standard, right, it's still a standard that uh,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: you know, women had to app like it is. I
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: think anything that has any kind of expectation or standard
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: that women are held to is by its very nature
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: not gynocentric.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, sure, exactly. Yet no Mary is like Mary
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: is revered, but only because she meets that standard. That's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that's that's just it. She's not She's not just like
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: any woman. She's you know, like like it's I think
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: that what makes the most sense is like exactly what
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: when I talked to Jonathan Pagoaut about this years ago
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and we did a show, we did a fireside chat here,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and now it is trying to like understand you know,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: like what that there's a meaning outside of this story.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: But like if Christ is Christ himself is the is
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the let's say the example for men, Okay, Mary is
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the example for women, and literally Mary is a lower
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: standard than Jesus. But women are not meaning it, right,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I mean most men don't meet the Christ standard either,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of like it's intended to humble us.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: But yes, Mary is is a step below Jesus. But
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Jesus loves his mother, so he gave her this island.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: But only a woman of her caliber could set foot there,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: of which none exists.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: But it's interesting also that that's if you think about it,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: that's a tremendous achievement, and it comes at the cost
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: of excluding other women, Like most achievements, the most true
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: achievements come at the cost of excluding other women, which
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: lies directly in the path of the sisterhood if you
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: think about it absolutely.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know feminists hate Mary, they hate her.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Well, when you said no other women are not all
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: women or whatever, I heard that song every woman you know, and.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: It's every woman.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: No, you're not. And if you are everything, then you
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: are an individual who achieves and is worthy of achievement.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: And any achievement, by definition, is going to exclude other women,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: like any achievement isn't based on just having a huha
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: is going to exclude other women because they won't have
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: the skills, they won't have the virtue, they won't have
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: the talent, whatever. And this is the problem. You can't
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: have this this woman card and women's achievement at the
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: same time one or the other.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, let's hear the rest of this bit.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Peninsula to his mother, and all other women have been excluded,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: so it's to fully honor the virgin Mary. It's also
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: been said that in the days before the band, when
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: women did come here, the monks became distracted and couldn't
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: devote themselves entirely to prayer. They say, it's been a
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: lot easier since the last lady left.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I like this guy's face, right, that's what they cut to, Right,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: it's been a lot easier since. You know, when they
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: say the monks were distracted, I think the women were,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like getting like, hey, don't pray to yourself,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: talk to me. What are you thinking about? Okay, I'm sorry,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: that's just too funny because I think in a way
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: sixty Minutes wants to like, they don't ever say, you know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: these guys hate women, but there is like this. They're
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: just putting it out there to see how the audience reacts.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the way they do it. It's
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, implied. But anyway, Okay, let's.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: I don't think.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think these monks hate women, because that's why
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: are thinking about women, which they probably don't.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: This literally is the ideal state of a man. This
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: is the state that they're trying to get to, not
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: having to think about women.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like graydon Geors said, for the last thousand years,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: it actually has been about the nail and they just
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: dealt with it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like this and this is this. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: think this is what really gives women anxiety. Is this
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: idea that men don't revolve their life life around them,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: you know, And it's unfortunate because you know, when you
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: let go of the expectation that men revolve their life
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: around you, you can do a lot of things on
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: your own, in your own time, in your own way.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: It's like it's not necessary to constantly be micromanaging, you
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. But this idea if you rely
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: on men, This is something I got into like long
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: time ago and just really open my eyes because on Twitter,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: apparently I come across as a man. I don't know.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with looking androgynists because it's really an insight
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: into how women treat men. But there was this woman
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: who started arguing with me, and she thought it was
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: a gotcha to say, you're not a strong enough man
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: to be able to save me from my weaknesses. And
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like, did you just listen to yourself there? Like
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: why don't you work on those weaknesses yourself? Why how
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: are you insulting me with you with you being a loser,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Like I'm such a loser you couldn't save me. I'm like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: how is that an insult to me? And yet it works?
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: You know, she thinks it works, and it does seem
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: to work.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you, But well, let this gets better,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna play more. This is the this is
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the good part. This is like the money shot.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, keeping women out certainly wasn't much of a problem
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: three four hundred years ago. Do you feel that's becoming
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: problematic today?
• 48:38
  Speaker 10: Oh, he's thinking, I don't think so, because the monastery
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: itself and all the land around it is our property,
• 48:44
  Speaker 10: and if we don't want women coming onto our property,
• 48:47
  Speaker 10: we have every right to do that.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: You see that he says no in the most in
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: the in the most nice way possible, but it's still
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: a no at the end of the day. Yeah, so
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: you know it's not gonna happen. This belongs to us.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: That face he has is Yeah, it's like the face
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: of knowing, like it's it's so ry, you.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: He's got that that no knowing kind of gnome look
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: on his face, like journal, Okay, let's.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Let's listen more of this.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: All the land around it is our property, and if
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: we don't want women coming on to our property, we
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: have every right to do that.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Not that those may be the last all male bastion
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: in the world, and Father Osino says it has to
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: stay that way.
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: Here we are concerned solely with purity and our elevation
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: to attorney. If women are permitted, they bring their families
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: and their children, this place would be hom a tourist
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: attraction and no longer a place of silence.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Ah okay, here's here's here's the thing. This is. This
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: is the final boss for the feminist march through the institutions.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: If they fall, the world is doomed. Oh keep the
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: flame alive.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, all right, they there is this he's
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about.
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I kind of think this is neat because again it's history,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: like they're the stuff that these guys have is so old.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Is just to think about that, all right.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: We wanted to experience for silence, we're advised to go
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: to Stubborn Akitos. It's the smallest monastery on the Holy Mountain,
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: but it has some of the most remarkable treasures. You
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: stain the silence just by walking in. There's no electricity here,
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: so the icons and mosaics are illuminated only by shafts
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: of sunlight and a few candles. Saint Nicholas the Patron,
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: Saint John the Baptist, and the Virgin Mary. We were
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: stunned by the magnificence of the art here, But then
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: we ran into Father Maximus, a former professor at the
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: Harvard Divinity School. He told us what we were seeing
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: cannot be described as art.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: With their devotional objects and they're part of the living,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: liturgical life of the Church. So we don't have any art,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: and we're not a museum. I mean to have to
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: put it starkly.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Whatever you call it, it's priceless. That's why the monasteries
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: have been invaded and plundered so many times over the centuries.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: The monk's most recent brush with history happened only seventy
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: years ago.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: The nut the Germans came and they Hitler offered to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: protect the artifacts, but he wanted them move to Germany,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and they were like no, So they said no to Hitler.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: So but yeah, you want to hear that story at all,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: or you want to just okay.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: Protzies were coming their way.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: In the spring of nineteen forty one, the Germans invaded
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: and occupied Greece.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: They marched up the Acropolis, raised the swastika beside the Parthenon,
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: and were about to invade. The monks asked for a
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: meeting with Nazi officers, who advised them to appeal to
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: Hitler himself, and the monks wrote a letter.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: A letter was written, and in the letter, the monks
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: identified themselves. They said, this is who we are, and
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: they asked Hitler to place the Holy Mountain under his
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: personal protection.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: What kind of response did you.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Get, Well, it seems that Hitler liked the idea and
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: accepted the invitation to become the personal protector of the
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Holy Mountain.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: Let me just get that straight. Hitler the personal protector
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: of the Holy Mountain.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So this is why you.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Don't let journalists into your enclave. Friends. Yeah, right, just
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: merched the name of these monastery, these monks.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Well it didn't. It didn't work out that way, so
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: that the professors were sent an advanced team to catalog
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: the treasures of the Holy Mountain. These like the German
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: academics that were sent to Mount Athos. They took eighteen
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: hundred pictures of the mountains treasures and it wasn't because
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: they enjoyed photography. Hitler wanted the riches in Berlin, so
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: he was basically planning to try to get his hands
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: on them, and it didn't happen. Not a single thing
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: was taken. Father Maximus believes that they have the Russians
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to thank for that that by the time the Nazi
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: scholars completed their work, Hitler was bogged down in Russia
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: and wasn't thinking about icons anymore. The Nazi period had
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: been largely forgotten there. To the monks, it was just
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: one more blip on the road, and a small one
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: at that. So, you know, because again people have tried
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: to plunder this place for a long time and that
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: was just the last time it happened. So for the
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: most put, yeah, that's basically it. Yeah, I think that's
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: basically the it for the video, unless you want me
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: to play some more like a different section.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Just keep how much do we have left?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: About five minutes, six, four minutes, four minutes.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Let's just play this out. Let's see, let's see how
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: they respond to the accusations of Nazi.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Hit Legit the team of German academics Surmount Defos. They
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: took eight hundred pictures of the mountain's treasures. And it
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: wasn't because they enjoyed photography. Hitler wanted the monastery's riches
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: In Berlin.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: The professors were sent as an advanced team to catalog
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: the treasures of the Holy Mountains so that the selection
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: of things could be made.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: To be removed.
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: Didn't happen to it?
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: No, it didn't. Not a single thing was taken.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: Father Maximus believes they have the Russians to thank for
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: that by the time the Nazi scholars completed their work,
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: Hitler was blogged down in Russia and wasn't thinking about icons.
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: That Nazi period has been largely forgotten here. To the monks,
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: it was just one more blip on the road.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: What heed, There was no Nazi period in this monastery.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: No none, whatsoever.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: What the heck are they going to resist Hitler? With
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: per Simmons.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Mr. Yeah, I mean, of course, like you know, sixty
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: minutes is well, basically modern journalism is obsessed with World
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: War two, like this could have been. They could have
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: talked about other moments in history where there were attempts
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: to you know, siege or plunder this place, but they didn't.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: They just wanted to talk about that. But it's not
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: it's to the monks. It doesn't mean anything. It's just
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: like whatever that happened, you know, seventy years ago.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: So today, Varto Peti is the most popular destination on
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: the mountain. It hosts thirty five thousand pilgrims a year
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: and offers more than spiritual sustenance. The monks have their
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: own fishing boats and the catch is pretty good. The
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: fish are served fresher than in any Greek restaurant. The
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: refectory dates from the twelfth century, and since the twelfth
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: century the food here has been free. Farto Pete has
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: been supported by rich benefactors, emperors, princes, kings, and today
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: partially by pilgrims with deep pockets who commission icons in
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: the making. But the ancient treasures not a chance. They
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: can't even see them. They're under lock and key. It's
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: not a new security system, but it works normally. It
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: takes more than one monk to unlock the door because
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: no one monk is allowed to have all four keys
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: at the same time. It's sort of a medieval version
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: of the nuclear launch control.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: That's kind of awesome, isn't it. Like it's like some
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: D and D shit, like you need to get all
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: four keys to get into this treasure room.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: That's crazy you think about it, Like they do host
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: pilgrims and they feed them and they're all men. So
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: is a sanctuary for men? Sanctuary run by men who
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: are finding purpose outside of women, and that has to
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: have a function in a society.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Yep, well absolutely in the thing is like you know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I think there should be spaces for men. They don't
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: have to be like this, like to this extreme. But
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: it seems like these guys have managed to keep it,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: you know, one hundred, like on their own, right. So yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: find the four months to unlock the secret sanctuary. That's funny,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: all right, you want to finish it off. We're almost
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: at the end here, let's.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Finish it off.
• 58:28
  Speaker 9: Okay, you keep those keys in your pocket front try
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: not to Father Matthew from Fundu Lac, Wisconsin, was given
• 58:39
  Speaker 9: the Abbot's blessing to let us into the inner sanctum.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: Once inside, there was still another hidden door behind the curtain.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: We walked into the world of this engine. It was
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: hard to imagine that everything here was at least six
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: hundred years old because the brilliants had not faded. There
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: are almost four thousand icons stored in this monaster alone.
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: The highlight the fourteenth century icon of Christ.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like, these are all these they go back
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: to the Byzantine Empire. It's kind of incredible, isn't it.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Like how and it's preserved like what's happening in our
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: museums right now, Like climate activists are throwing orange paint
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: on the Mona Lisa at least trying to imagine if
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: women went there. Uh yeah, I'm just saying, it's like
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: these guys there they are doing I don't know how
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: else to put it. They're doing God's work, really, I
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: mean they're holding onto these icons. They create icons there too.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: That's one of the services that they provide. People go
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: there to basically get an icon made by one of
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: these monks. So it's pretty cool. Like, I don't know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know anything about the Byzantine.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: They're preserving traditions, they're they're living life with purpose, which incidentally,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Like all the bathrooms are male bathrooms.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: All the bathrooms are male bathrooms. Yeah, no, need to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: deal with the trend stuff.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: No lines. You know, it's funny.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: If our society ends up crashing and burning as a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: direct result of the excesses of feminism. And I maintain
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: that it is the excesses of feminism. This place may
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: still be there. They may outlive feminism.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they they they probably have to go to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: that place in force, like literally, if they wanted to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: break it up. Speaking of which, well, there's a little left.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: You want to finish it off and then I'll I mean,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: That they may outlive the societies that constructed feminism, is
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, so let's just finish it off.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: Every monk will tell you the sole purpose of life
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: on Mount Deathos is to get closer to Christ every day,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: and they say total union with Christ is only possible
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: when they leave this world.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: The first thing a monk does is embrace and love death.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: Embrace and love death, because.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: Death is the ticket to the other life. Without a ticket,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: you can't travel.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: Where do you get the ticket in this life? That's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: what we do each day.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: We prepare for death, and we are joyful about our
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: journey to heaven.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: Father Matthew offered to take us to the transit point
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: between this world and heaven. When a monk dies, he's
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: buried until there's nothing left but bones. Then he's brought
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: to where every monk who's ever lived here ends up
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: the assuary. Any idea how many skullars.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: There are here?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: Thousands, thousands? Any idea how far they go back? The
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: ones here would be.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: To the sixteenth century.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: When you look at the suary, what comes to mind?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Mostly I see that this is where I'm going to be.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: I always like to say these are my future roommates.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: There was nowhere for us to go from there, so
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: we headed back to the mainland. The monks invited us
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: to come back any time, and if we do, or
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  Speaker 5: if our grandsons or great grandsons doom after ten days here,
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  Speaker 5: this much we believe Mount Dethos will not have changed
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  Speaker 5: at all.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it still hasn't, though I will
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  Speaker 1: say there have been issues with this female restriction, although
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't changed, the exclusion of women has occasionally been
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  Speaker 1: criticized from a human rights perspective. However, Mount Athos's special
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  Speaker 1: status within Greece and the broader European framework allows it
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  Speaker 1: to maintain this tradition. Critics argue this might contravene EU
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  Speaker 1: laws so the European Union on Gender Equality, but the
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  Speaker 1: unique autonomy of Mount Athos has so far shielded it
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  Speaker 1: from legal challenges on that basis.
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  Speaker 3: Why do women have to be everywhere?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Seriously, if there was an a nunnery like this that
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  Speaker 3: had lasted for could you imagine men being like, we
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  Speaker 3: should be there too, Like.
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  Speaker 1: Seriously, there was a woman who tried to sneak in
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  Speaker 1: dressed as a man in nineteen fifty three, Maria Poliminu.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that. That's how you say it, right,
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  Speaker 1: dressed as a man to visit. It led to legal
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  Speaker 1: repercussions and reinforce the band with stricter penalties. So they're
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: even they just doubled down, yep. So anyway, yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: critic Basically, what what the human rights people are saying
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  Speaker 1: is that this is an anachronistic rule out of step
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  Speaker 1: with modern gender equality principles, though these critiques often come
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  Speaker 1: from outside the orthodox tradition. Yeah, of course they do.
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  Speaker 3: Of course they do, and I hope they hold firm
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  Speaker 3: because don't people have the human right of association?
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  Speaker 1: Freedom of association?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, women are losing by not being able to access
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  Speaker 3: this island. Certainly they could create their own damn island
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  Speaker 3: full of monastic women somewhere else. Like there's nothing women,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: that there's no service, that women are losing from them.
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  Speaker 1: No reason exist. But like the problem is not that.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is is that I think that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of women just can't stand the idea that there are
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  Speaker 1: men somewhere having fun without them.
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  Speaker 3: Or maintaining a purpose without them, like good lord, Like
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  Speaker 3: I can't even believe that the well, I can believe
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  Speaker 3: that the EU would try to be pressured these people
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: to change their traditions because women should have access. And
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: this is I think people need to think about this
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: the next time conservative women complain about trans women. Like,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: women are trying to get access to this space constructed
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: by men, maintained by men through their own sacrifice, and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: they think they have a right to it. You have
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: no right to it. Women have no right to this
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: space none whatsoever. And if you think you have a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: right to it, you should be as far from it
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  Speaker 3: as humanly possible. Okay, that's my pot.
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  Speaker 5: Right, I would.
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  Speaker 4: Wait for men's right. Activists are machines, dude. Okay, they
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  Speaker 4: are literal machines. They are talking point machines. They are
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