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Jeff Legwold joins Kreckman & Lindahl 2-7-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald is our Broncos insider.
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  Speaker 2: Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five Pro Football the Insider
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  Speaker 2: yea on Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five.
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  Speaker 3: Jean is jep Legwold time here on a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 3: Friday afternoon. Jeff Legwald joins us here courtesy of the
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  Speaker 3: International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers IBW Local sixty eight. Start
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  Speaker 3: with a job and with a career. Uh, Jeff, Let's
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  Speaker 3: start with Patrick Certain. Now that it's official he is
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  Speaker 3: the defensive player of the year. One day when Jeff
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  Speaker 3: Legwald writes his book and hell you could be you
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  Speaker 3: could be the the Patrick Certain biographer. How are you
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  Speaker 3: going to tell the story of the twenty twenty four season,
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  Speaker 3: the magical twenty twenty four season for PS two.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think it's and we've we've talked
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  Speaker 4: about this before. I think this is where, you know,
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  Speaker 4: analytics has opened a whole world of things for people
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  Speaker 4: to see. You know, maybe Champ Bailey wins this award,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the year he has ten interceptions, if these
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  Speaker 4: metrics exist, but he I don't know anyone in the
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  Speaker 4: league who would dispute the award in any way. I
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  Speaker 4: mean they I hear people say, yeah, I'd also consider,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Miles Garrett or I'd also consider and you know,
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  Speaker 4: they'll name a couple other people, but nobody disputes this.
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  Speaker 4: He you know, whether we can always tell snap the
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  Speaker 4: snap at a corner if the guy is one of
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  Speaker 4: the best players in the league. But he is absolutely
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  Speaker 4: one of the best in the league, and it's you know,
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  Speaker 4: you would hope he could be a guy that in
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  Speaker 4: this day and age, could you know, play his whole
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  Speaker 4: career here and we see what it becomes from here.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's just getting started if he stays healthy. Frankly,
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  Speaker 4: all right, what do.
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  Speaker 5: You think of the MVP thing? A lot of people
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  Speaker 5: up in arms about that. I don't have a problem
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  Speaker 5: with Josh Allen getting the MVP, but how did you
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  Speaker 5: fall on it with Lamar being the you know, first
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  Speaker 5: team All Pro QB.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I don't think there's a wrong
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  Speaker 4: answer necessarily, but I I hate, I really detest the
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  Speaker 4: idea of voter fatigue. If people really did it because
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  Speaker 4: of that, I would I would be immenseally disappointed in
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  Speaker 4: people who would do that. You know, you vote to vote,
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  Speaker 4: and that's it. I mean, Lamar DIDs something no one's
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  Speaker 4: ever done in the history of the league. So if
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  Speaker 4: I was still voting, you know, I spent twenty five
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  Speaker 4: years voting on that panel, and I by was still voting,
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  Speaker 4: I would have given my vote to Lamar.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's And again we had Lindsay Jones on
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  Speaker 3: the show earlier. Jeff and I know you guys are
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  Speaker 3: longtime colleagues, and I know you have a great deal
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  Speaker 3: of respect for and she split her vote, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: and again the conversation wandered into the nuance of most
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  Speaker 3: Valuable versus best Player, And again she said, Lamar's first
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  Speaker 3: team All Pro quarterback and Josh Allen is the MVP.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what's funny is you go back to
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  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven when John Elway was the MVP, but
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  Speaker 3: he was second team All Pro and Joe Montana was
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  Speaker 3: first team All Pro. And what's funny about it? And
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  Speaker 3: it sounds dumb, But Joe Montana was a better quarterback
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  Speaker 3: that year, and yet John Elway, I think was more
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  Speaker 3: valuable to his team that year. And so again we
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  Speaker 3: just we get into the weird definition of the award,
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  Speaker 3: which always has just made me wonder, why don't they
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  Speaker 3: just call the award best player or something.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, it's just it's one of those things,
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  Speaker 4: you know. I guess again, in the nuance of voting,
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  Speaker 4: if I had had a vote this year, Derrick Henry
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have the season he has without Lamar. I just
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  Speaker 4: don't from a football perspective. So I wouldn't penalize Lamar
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  Speaker 4: because one of his teammates had a better year than
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  Speaker 4: any of Josh Allen's teammates. I guess I would not
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  Speaker 4: penalize Lamar for that. But you know, again, there's no
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  Speaker 4: real wrong answer. I just I don't like the notion of, well,
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  Speaker 4: the other guys won it, so let's let's move on.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, that's how guys like Mike Shanahan and
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  Speaker 4: Chuck Nole never win Coach of the Year award. That's
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  Speaker 4: kind of thinking, all right.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think because I asked lindsay this, I'm curious
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  Speaker 5: your perspective because I said it to Nate. I do think.
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  Speaker 5: I know that this year's playoff run doesn't play in
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  Speaker 5: any of this voting because they vote on it the
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  Speaker 5: last day of the year. But do you think when
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  Speaker 5: a guy flames out earlier in the playoffs and expected
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  Speaker 5: and look, Lamar made it all the way to the
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  Speaker 5: AFC Championship but didn't have the game that he wanted to,
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  Speaker 5: do you think voters carry that into the next year
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  Speaker 5: when they make their decision. I know they're not supposed to,
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  Speaker 5: but do you think they do?
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  Speaker 4: Human nature is human nature, you know, and you know
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure you could use that argument. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Josh Allen's playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: They both ended against mahomes at home.
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  Speaker 4: They're both facing the same problem.
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  Speaker 5: But Jeff, to your point, all the time, the last
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  Speaker 5: team that wins, whoever loses the Super Bowl Sunday sucks
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  Speaker 5: as you You're right, day somehow become the thirty second team,
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  Speaker 5: not the second team. And Lamar's loss was more fresh
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  Speaker 5: than the minds.
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  Speaker 4: I've always said that if you lose the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 4: you don't finish second. It's just not that it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: work that way no matter what. But yeah, again, I
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  Speaker 4: both guys had a season worthy of the trophy. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, if you're asking me how I would have voted,
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  Speaker 4: That's how I would have voted, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Jeff Eric Allen, Jared Allen, Antonio Gates, Sterling Sharp
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  Speaker 3: four member Hall of Fame class. Why Why was the
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  Speaker 3: number lower than usual? And was there was there any
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  Speaker 3: of these particular nominees or I guess now about to
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  Speaker 3: be inductees that you have particularly strong feelings about.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I liked I was proponent for all four. Obviously
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  Speaker 4: they'be that. But you're gonna see a lot more classes
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  Speaker 4: like this moving forward to Hall has changed the voting
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  Speaker 4: parameters this year, and the cut to the the cutdown
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  Speaker 4: is far different now. And it used to be not
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  Speaker 4: to get too deep in the weeds from a mathematical sense.
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  Speaker 4: But it used to be we got to the final five,
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  Speaker 4: we cut all the way down to the final five,
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  Speaker 4: and then we would vote yes or no on those
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  Speaker 4: five individually. And usually by the time you get to
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  Speaker 4: the final five, everybody's like, this guy is a Hall
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  Speaker 4: of Famer, so the vote routinely went yes. So it
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  Speaker 4: was a full five member modern era portion of the class.
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  Speaker 4: And then you add on the seat, you're in the
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  Speaker 4: code whatever. But the five modern era slots were always filled,
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  Speaker 4: usually almost always, because it was a vote of yes
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  Speaker 4: or no at that point. Now they've made it, so
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  Speaker 4: we cut to seven and then we each vote for five.
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  Speaker 4: So mathematically that will make it far different and we
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  Speaker 4: will see a lot more. I mean, there are only
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  Speaker 4: three modern era players in this class. The coaching candidate
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  Speaker 4: didn't make it. Only one of three seniors made it,
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  Speaker 4: and the contributor didn't make it. So you're going to
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  Speaker 4: see some smaller classes moving forward. And frankly is as
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  Speaker 4: much as we on the committee, especially those of us
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  Speaker 4: on the Senior Committee, who see the backlog of Hall
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  Speaker 4: of famers who are not in the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 4: this is only going to add to that, and it
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  Speaker 4: will only add, in my opinion, to the angst of
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  Speaker 4: people about how long it takes for folks to get in.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Luke Keighley was probably the cleanest in terms
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  Speaker 4: of resume player we considered this year, and he didn't
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  Speaker 4: make it, so you know that's that's gonna be. You know, though,
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  Speaker 4: he's a guy who was a five time first team
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  Speaker 4: All Pro and the list of those guys is very
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  Speaker 4: short and he didn't make it. And you look at
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  Speaker 4: who's coming into the pile next year, and it's only
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  Speaker 4: going to get I mean, Belichick's eligible next year, Drew
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  Speaker 4: Brees is eligible next year. Lay Fitzgerald's eligible next year.
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  Speaker 1: So do the math whose ballot though? Right though? Though
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  Speaker 1: you rubber stamp those guys, right, not anymore from what
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  Speaker 1: he's saying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean I don't. I think the quote
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  Speaker 4: unquote rubber stamp is a lot more difficult now because
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  Speaker 4: what do you do with the guys who people thought
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  Speaker 4: were rubber stamps that are still on the board as
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  Speaker 4: it were. But again, they've the Hall wants it to
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  Speaker 4: be difficult, and they've made it more difficult. And uh,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna this was the smallest Hall of Fame class
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  Speaker 4: since two thousand and five.
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  Speaker 5: I believe, Jeff, I want to ask you. Is someone
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  Speaker 5: that has to say, because you know, naturally we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: ask you about Eli Manning and all that stuff won't
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  Speaker 5: get into it. But before you answer about Eli Manning,
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  Speaker 5: is there really why is there a first ballot Hall
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  Speaker 5: of Famer that's so special? I guess my problem there is,
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  Speaker 5: if you're a Hall of Famer. You're a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 2: What is it?
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  Speaker 5: You're a special Hall of Famer. Do you get a
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  Speaker 5: double bust if it's first ballot? I mean, why is that?
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  Speaker 5: Why is that held to such a such a high
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  Speaker 5: honor when if you're a Hall of Famer, you're a
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  Speaker 5: Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess given the difficulty of the process, it's
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  Speaker 4: just a sign of the respect of your career that
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  Speaker 4: you navigated the most difficult process in the quickest fashion
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  Speaker 4: because you were so good. But I know people, I
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  Speaker 4: can tell you people on the committee think, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the first ballot status. There are some people who think
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  Speaker 4: the first ballot status, you know, should just be handed
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  Speaker 4: out like crazy. And then there are people who think
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  Speaker 4: only guys like Jim Brown should ever get it. So
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  Speaker 4: you've got a real divergence of opinions. My opinion has
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  Speaker 4: always been that Floyd Little's gold jacket was exactly the
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  Speaker 4: same as John Elways, and it took Floyd Little, you know,
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  Speaker 4: four decades longer to get his. So I guess I've
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  Speaker 4: always felt like the gold jackets, the gold jacket, whenever
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  Speaker 4: you get it.
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  Speaker 1: I like a nice double bust.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Jeff Legwall joining us here on a
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  Speaker 3: Friday afternoon.
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  Speaker 5: Do you look good in a gold jacket?
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  Speaker 1: They've never given me one. That's that's something I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: ripped off over there.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, what was the real tea that used to have it? Jeff?
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  Speaker 5: Do you do you remember that jacket? It was? Okay,
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  Speaker 5: there you go.
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  Speaker 3: Which one was the red Blazer? I can't remember? Uh, Leggy,
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  Speaker 3: Let's let's dive into this match up a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Vic Fangio versus Steve spag no Lo. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if it's number one, number one, number one, but like,
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  Speaker 3: you really can't do much better as a defensive coordinator
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  Speaker 3: matchup than these two minds in this game, can you?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 5: And then?
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  Speaker 4: And they're at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms
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  Speaker 4: of aggression, yeah, you know, And that's to me that's
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  Speaker 4: the intriguing part, because Vic may have to be a
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  Speaker 4: tag more aggressive than he wants to be, and spag
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  Speaker 4: Nola may has to be a tad more. You know,
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  Speaker 4: put a spy on. H hurts from time to time,
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  Speaker 4: load the line of scrimmage. You know, he may have
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  Speaker 4: to do things he's uncomfortable doing too. And I think
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  Speaker 4: of whoever handles their discomfort. The best will have the
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  Speaker 4: best day among those two. But I think fix that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, even here he had good outings against Mahomes
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  Speaker 4: with the with that you know, containment approach. But I
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  Speaker 4: think Mahomes, even in the in the couple of years Vixman,
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  Speaker 4: I think Mahomes is much better at dealing with that
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  Speaker 4: now he is far. I mean, they were at the
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  Speaker 4: bottom or near the bottom of every big play metric
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  Speaker 4: this year, but they kill it on third down and
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  Speaker 4: he just takes whatever opening you give him in a
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  Speaker 4: very respect way until he sees the chance to pounce.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what makes it tough for Fangio.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: You know, both both teams got a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: question marks in their offensive lines too, so I think
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  Speaker 4: that will play into it. Who which of those teams
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  Speaker 4: can sort of mend those openings the best, you know,
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  Speaker 4: for and get one good evening out of the lineup
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  Speaker 4: that put on the field.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's kind of wild about this matchup here,
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  Speaker 3: is like, you know, Fangio wants to play and make
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes play left handed. First off, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: that's you know, humanly possible to do, but Also, the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles were one of the best in the NFL and
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  Speaker 3: forcing you into a short passing game, Well, the Chiefs,
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  Speaker 3: that's their bread and butter, is the short passing game.
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  Speaker 3: Like they'll just they'll live in that place all day long.
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  Speaker 3: To your point, like there's no downfield passing attack coming
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  Speaker 3: from Kansas City, which then makes me wonder And granted
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  Speaker 3: we've had two weeks to think about this game, Jeff,
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  Speaker 3: but that means Andy Reid and Vic Fangio have as well.
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  Speaker 3: Is like, early on in this game, does Andy Reid
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  Speaker 3: try and uncork something deep on a double move? Does
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  Speaker 3: even Worthy or something like that to loosen things up
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  Speaker 3: and catch Philly off guard? Like, how how do you
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  Speaker 3: see that chess match going between Mahomes and Fangio.
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  Speaker 4: I would guess even though they've they've played exceedingly well.
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  Speaker 4: I would I would think Andy Ray will go after
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  Speaker 4: the two rookie corners in some fashion, Cooper Degene, and
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  Speaker 4: I think he will go after both of those guys.
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  Speaker 4: That uh, I.
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  Speaker 3: Can't believe those guys are both rookies. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: Quinnon Mitchell and Cooper de Gene.
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  Speaker 4: You you look at the Eagles off season editions, yes,
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  Speaker 4: and I think they. I think they added through the
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  Speaker 4: draft or in free agency five Pro Bowl players last offseason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Put Howie Roseman in the Hall of Fame, Jeff.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's on. He was taking some heat for
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  Speaker 4: the last couple of years, and then he he uncorked
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  Speaker 4: the off season of the ages. I mean, nobody's so
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  Speaker 4: what the bond the linebacker was gonna do on it?
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  Speaker 4: I mean he went from role player to all thro
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  Speaker 4: you know, and you just don't often see that. But
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  Speaker 4: but I think Andy Reid will go after the two
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  Speaker 4: rookies of Smidge and see if he can get their
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  Speaker 4: eyes in the wrong place. And you know, part of
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  Speaker 4: me I always and all the Super Bowls I've done
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  Speaker 4: through the years, you know, more than two dozen, A
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  Speaker 4: player like DeAndre Hopkins usually pops out a guy who's
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  Speaker 4: waited a long time and has had a lot of ability.
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  Speaker 4: Those guys seem to find a way because they just
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  Speaker 4: know it might be their only shot at it, and
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  Speaker 4: they they somehow make a play that means something.
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  Speaker 3: Deaf Lagweld everybody like you would need your official pick.
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  Speaker 3: Who who's getting it done this time? Is it Mahomes
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  Speaker 3: and Reid? For the three peat or did the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: pull the upside. I mean, i'd say pull the upset.
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  Speaker 3: They're a point and a half dog, but it feels
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  Speaker 3: bigger than that.
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  Speaker 4: They're really good. I think Eagles have more talent. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: But and then if the Chiefs somehow keep Barkley from
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  Speaker 4: going bananas, I think the Chiefs win a close one,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a field goal or two, yeah, three or
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  Speaker 4: six point went. But I just and maybe it's because
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  Speaker 4: I've spent so much time looking at the AFC West. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles can't you know, It's like we say, you
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  Speaker 4: can't leave it a one score game for the guy.
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  Speaker 4: If they get the lead and just can run Barkley
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  Speaker 4: until the game's over, that's their that's their ticket. But
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  Speaker 4: if it's you know, a close game, I think Mahomes
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  Speaker 4: gets it. And I just think Mahomes is too good
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  Speaker 4: on that biggest stage and it'll take a herculean effort
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  Speaker 4: to beat them.
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  Speaker 3: Well like, and I think their defense is just comfortable
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  Speaker 3: in close games. And I think there's something to be
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  Speaker 3: said for that of like of like knowing well, it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be twenty three to twenty one, and we
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  Speaker 3: don't we don't have the option to break at any point.
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  Speaker 3: But also I think Spags's group is just comfortable playing
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  Speaker 3: in that spot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I know the Eagles have some people who
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  Speaker 4: you know, who won the have won the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: But overall, the Chiefs as a team have answered the
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  Speaker 4: biggest question elite athletes always have, how will I do
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  Speaker 4: in the biggest moment? And the Chiefs already have the
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  Speaker 4: answer to that.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And that is worth something. How many points that is,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but it is worth something, and I've
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  Speaker 4: just seen it too many times to deny it.
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  Speaker 1: Def leg Weld everybody, ESPN. Leggie.
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  Speaker 3: Great, great job in another Hall of Fame class, smaller,
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  Speaker 3: but you know what, more selective. And I appreciate that, Leggy.
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  Speaker 3: Good stuff, man, Thank you, Thank care.
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  Speaker 4: Fellows Enjoy