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Nick Wright RIPS Bomani's list of the top 25 Athletes of the last 25 years | 08.15 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: This is a public service announcement from us at the
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  Speaker 1: right time. As you know, we have done our list
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  Speaker 1: of the top 25 athletes of the last 25 years.
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  Speaker 1: On that list, we had LeBron James at number three
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  Speaker 1: and Tom Brady at number four. Well, this episode, my
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  Speaker 1: good buddy Nick Wright is going to critique our list,
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  Speaker 1: but we told him that Tom Brady is actually above
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  Speaker 1: LeBron James just to see what he would do. Stay
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  Speaker 1: tuned and find out. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: right time. A wave original. My name is Bomani Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: give us five stars. You only give us four stars.
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  Speaker 1: I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is
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  Speaker 1: that time of week where we have a guest join us.
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  Speaker 1: Check him out on the What's Right with Nick Wright podcast. Also,
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  Speaker 1: first things first, I got to start treating Nick like
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  Speaker 1: I treat Spencer. When Spencer comes on, I always say
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  Speaker 1: he's the best college football writer in America right now.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody's doing the sports television game better than our good
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  Speaker 1: buddy Nick Wright is.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, sir? That's now the third time that
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  Speaker 2: you've said something like that recently. I am very hesitant.
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  Speaker 2: to ever acknowledge compliments or insults, for that matter, on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: Because once you do, people are like, oh, he's seeing
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  Speaker 2: this stuff. I'm going to up the ante on the
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  Speaker 2: mean shit I'm sending him. But it is incredibly kind.
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  Speaker 2: And it is particularly kind coming from you. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm able to come on. We have kind
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  Speaker 2: of similar recording schedules often. And so it's very hard
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  Speaker 2: to make this work. But you know how much I
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  Speaker 2: love coming on. So I appreciate it, Bo. And I saw...
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  Speaker 2: that you, over the summer, have encroached a bit in
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  Speaker 2: what I consider my proprietary lane as America's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: aforementioned list maker. That's right. And so I'm very excited
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  Speaker 2: to be a part of this. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: We figured nobody else would love to tell me what
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  Speaker 1: was wrong about this list than you would. But I
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  Speaker 1: want to touch on the first thing, because this is
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  Speaker 1: actually a funny story that people may not know. So
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  Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know, Nick and I
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  Speaker 1: moved to the same neighborhood in New York in 2017,
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  Speaker 1: just about literally together.
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  Speaker 2: At the same time, we live within a week of
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  Speaker 2: each other.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He moved four blocks. He lived four blocks away.
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  Speaker 1: Now he lives like 20 something blocks away, which is
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  Speaker 1: wild because that totally breaks the rhythm of hanging out
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  Speaker 1: in New York City. It's hard to explain. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem that far. 20 blocks plus a pandemic throws everything off.
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  Speaker 1: But the first year I was over at their house
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  Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving and your mom was there and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's very happy. Nick was on TV and your mama
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  Speaker 1: said something at that time to the effect of me
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  Speaker 1: and you was doing it the same.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, hey, give him time. give him time.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you worry. And what do you know?
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  Speaker 1: We gave him time and you're out here wrecking it.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's, it's, it's for me extra dope to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I'm just old enough to be just old enough
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  Speaker 1: to say things like I'm proud of you.
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  Speaker 2: It's really great. Well, that's very, very nice. And you're right.
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  Speaker 2: You like, listen, you're one of my dearest friends, but
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  Speaker 2: because of you being slightly older and because you're, media
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  Speaker 2: career on a national level started way before mine. There
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  Speaker 2: is an element, an unspoken element of Big Brother to
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  Speaker 2: it as well, even though that's not really our day-to-day relationship.
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  Speaker 2: And so I really... No, I appreciate it, man. Yeah, it's...
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  Speaker 2: I remember... Um, I was in your apartment, which the
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  Speaker 2: apartment thing's crazy because the apartment Bomani ended up moving
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  Speaker 2: into was an apartment that I had toured that I
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  Speaker 2: was seeing if whether or not I thought my family,
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  Speaker 2: like it was a great space for Bomani. It would
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  Speaker 2: have been a little close quarters for me when I,
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  Speaker 2: my three kids were all living with me at the time. Um,
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  Speaker 2: but we ended up, we didn't know that it's when
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  Speaker 2: Bomani had me over to his house. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: holy crap, I've been here before. But I was in
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  Speaker 2: your apartment the night before the show launched. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: And you were kind of giving me like a don't
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  Speaker 2: freak out pep talk. And yeah, now eight years later,
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  Speaker 2: we're still running. So it's very it's a huge blessing.
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  Speaker 2: And Bruin Wilds are just the greatest. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so it'll be it's really cool. And yeah, I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: to be here. And I'm rocking your cup. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you noticed. I'm rocking the Game Theory Cup.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you.
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  Speaker 3: I forgot that you had one of those things. I
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  Speaker 3: almost wanted to go into my cabinet and make sure
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't gotten got.
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  Speaker 2: No. This was from, I think, my first appearance on there.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. When we argued about Nikola Jokic, and then
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  Speaker 2: I had him burn the tapes because I was right.
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  Speaker 1: Man, because once basketball season comes around, we have so
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  Speaker 1: much to talk about because the Luka LeBron situation, God,
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  Speaker 1: it's got to be.
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  Speaker 2: Hard for you.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I know it does. I know there's got to
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  Speaker 3: be a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Why does it have to be hard? I feel like
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  Speaker 2: you're getting tugged. You know what I'm saying? No, LeBron
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  Speaker 2: loves him. LeBron wanted Anthony Davis to take over the
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  Speaker 2: team for five years. AD wouldn't do it. Now... Does Bron,
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  Speaker 2: you know, love Laker management? I'm not sure, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't think there's any Bron Luca issue. Now, what is
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  Speaker 2: true is this. I have having watched the Lakers for
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  Speaker 2: the better part of the last decade, not all of it,
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  Speaker 2: but for the better part of it, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: almost hope that LeBron declines more precipitously than he has.
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  Speaker 2: So as a way to excuse their lack of urgency,
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  Speaker 2: I was very ready. For the moment, Braun retired or
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  Speaker 2: left to be like, well, I'll never root for that
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  Speaker 2: team again. But now they have my second best player,
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  Speaker 2: my second favorite player of my adult life, Luka, on
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  Speaker 2: the team. So I'm just kind of stuck with the Lakers.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, can I ask one question about the list?
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  Speaker 2: Because I know it's North American athletes. Yes. So was
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  Speaker 2: Joker eligible? No.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so even if they play in the U.S. Yes. Yes. OK,
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  Speaker 2: so that was an important clarification.
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  Speaker 1: I needed to make this as easy as possible. So
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  Speaker 1: as we get to the list, my top 25 athletes
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  Speaker 1: of the last 25 years, I remember when Nick was
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  Speaker 1: doing well, first of all, when he was doing the
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  Speaker 1: top 50 NBA players of the last 50 years. But
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  Speaker 1: just generally speaking, when Nick does lists and things, the
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  Speaker 1: part that I don't think the general public can understand
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  Speaker 1: until you see it is the meticulous level of research
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  Speaker 1: that goes into this. Because this is a pig in slop.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody is happier in this world doing something than researching
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  Speaker 1: and ordering for Nick. Like, honestly, I've done this job,
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  Speaker 1: or I did the job that you do, but I've
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  Speaker 1: done similar jobs for a very long time. And I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen anybody who researched more meticulously research. for the
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  Speaker 1: things that you do, right? Like I'm seeing like the
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  Speaker 1: things you came up with to get the job, all
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  Speaker 1: of those things. It is amazing to see. I, on
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  Speaker 1: the other hand, am just out here. I play by ear.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I don't have the thoroughness
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  Speaker 1: that it is. So we got this list together, but
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  Speaker 1: Ryan and I went back and.
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  Speaker 2: Forth on some things.
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  Speaker 1: Like we were, it was a committee of me and
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  Speaker 1: a subcommittee of Ryan and we went through it and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to read the names off for the people
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  Speaker 1: who don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So 25 was Randy Moss. 24 was Cam Newton.
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  Speaker 1: 23, Albert Puholtz. 22, Ray Lewis. 21, Tim Duncan, but hey,
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  Speaker 1: he could be as high as 11. 20 was the
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  Speaker 1: wildcard space where if you don't like somebody or thought
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  Speaker 1: somebody was left out, put the motherfucker in yourself. Katie
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  Speaker 1: Ledecky at 19, Mike Trout, 18, Lamar Jackson, 17, Aaron Rodgers, 16,
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, 15, Peyton Manning, 14, Kevin Durant, 13, Kobe Bryant, 12,
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  Speaker 1: Steph Curry, 11, Patrick Mahomes, 10.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Phelps, 9.
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  Speaker 1: Shohei Otani, 8. Floyd Mayweather, 7. Serena Williams, 6.
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  Speaker 2: Simone Biles, 5.
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  Speaker 1: LeBron James, 4.
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  Speaker 2: Do we have LeBron James, 4?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. LeBron James, 4. Tom Brady, 3. Tiger Woods, 2.
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  Speaker 1: Usain Bolt, number 1.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Where would you like to start, sir? Well, there's, okay, let's-
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  Speaker 2: Let's go little to big. Let's go little to big. Exactly, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start with, I'm just, because I have notes
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  Speaker 2: here about what I want to talk about. So let's
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  Speaker 2: start with the 20s. And first thing I want to
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  Speaker 2: say is, shout out to you for including Pujols. Because
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  Speaker 2: I think he oddly, and now he went to community
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  Speaker 2: college right outside Kansas City. So I remember being a
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  Speaker 2: kid and- people being so excited about how special he
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  Speaker 2: was and was going to be. So I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not as big of a baseball guy as
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  Speaker 2: a kid as you were, but still like Puholz. And
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  Speaker 2: then he obviously plays for the Cardinals, which the Royals
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  Speaker 2: hate the Cardinals. He's so rude for Puholz. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like his career has become kind of quickly underrated as
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  Speaker 2: far as, yes, he ended up playing long enough that his,
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  Speaker 2: the totality of his numbers were insane, but But his
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  Speaker 2: first decade can go toe-to-toe with anybody ever. It's just
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  Speaker 2: all-time legendary what he was able to do. And I
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  Speaker 2: know for the purposes of this list, it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: perfect because that first decade starts in 01. But I
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  Speaker 2: looked at this right before I came on. If you
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  Speaker 2: go 01 to 2010 for Pujols, it's 10 years– He
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  Speaker 2: has 400 bombs. He's a 330, 430, 630, you know,
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  Speaker 2: splits and is just one of the most dominant hitting
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  Speaker 2: forces the league has ever seen over his opening 10 years.
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  Speaker 2: He had, I'm looking at it now, six consecutive years,
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  Speaker 2: 05 to 2010, leading baseball in war. And I'll be honest,
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  Speaker 2: don't totally understand exactly what that means, but I know
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  Speaker 2: it's great. And so I was happy to see Pujols
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  Speaker 2: on there. And so I don't know. So that's not
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  Speaker 2: a disagreement. That's an agreement. Appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know, part of why Pujols got there,
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  Speaker 1: and for those who are new to this, I heavily
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  Speaker 1: prioritize Peek.
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  Speaker 2: I am big into peak. I prioritize peak over longevity.
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  Speaker 2: So that then explains Cam's inclusion, which I have to
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  Speaker 2: imagine is the most controversial of anything on the list. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I think it is.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I put him in was because he is
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  Speaker 1: also the greatest college football player I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's right.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the pros, but there's something about being that
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  Speaker 1: guy at that level in the way that he was
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  Speaker 1: that nudged him in.
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  Speaker 2: And I like it. So I assumed, and he's also
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  Speaker 2: become an awesome broadcaster. I know that has nothing to
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  Speaker 2: do with this list, but just sidebar on that, I
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  Speaker 2: have no idea. I know nothing about Gilly the Kid.
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  Speaker 2: I know nothing about his rap career. I'm confident he probably,
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  Speaker 2: if he knows me, does not like me because he's
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  Speaker 2: an Eagles guy the way he is. But that little
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  Speaker 2: two and a half minute broadcast masterclass evisceration Cam did.
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  Speaker 2: So funny. I was like, this is every piece of
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  Speaker 2: this is great. It's funny. It's just arrogant enough, but true.
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  Speaker 2: And the way Cam's dressed during it is just perfect.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it. But on his placement on the list,
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  Speaker 2: I assumed his college career was was the majority of
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  Speaker 2: the reason that it wasn't just like a small piece
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  Speaker 2: that that was that if we're doing like a, like that,
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  Speaker 2: it was 70, 30 college over pro that got cam
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  Speaker 2: on here because college football matters. It's America's second or
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  Speaker 2: third most popular sport. And you can make the strong
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  Speaker 2: argument that this quarter century at the very least, he
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  Speaker 2: had the single greatest college season of anyone ever. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like I, in fact, I think to me, the only
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  Speaker 1: competition ever for a better college season is Barry Sanders
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  Speaker 1: running for 2,600 yards in 12 games in 1988. Like
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  Speaker 1: for me, otherwise, that is a big part. Though I
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  Speaker 1: also think this, the way I talk about Cam as a,
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  Speaker 1: he is not in a pro football hall of fame, right?
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  Speaker 2: Let's just go ahead and get that out of the window.
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  Speaker 1: The same thing, if Donovan McNabb can't make it and
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  Speaker 1: he's not going to make it, then I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that Cam Newton should get in to the pro football
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  Speaker 1: hall of fame. However, I look at him kind of
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  Speaker 1: like I look at the Rock and Roll Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Fame where Guns N' Roses is in the Rock and
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  Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame on the Strength of One album, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like sometimes you just do something so cold for a
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  Speaker 1: period that everything else kind of doesn't matter. And I
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  Speaker 1: do think that the first five years of Cam Newton's career, one,
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  Speaker 1: I think he redefined, I don't want to say redefined
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  Speaker 1: the position because that's a little bit too far, but
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  Speaker 1: he did redefine who you would consider taking with the
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  Speaker 1: number one overall pick, right? A dude that was running
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  Speaker 1: a high school offense in the hole. Well, you don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to do this. Don't know how to read
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  Speaker 1: that or whatever. And the guy was too talented to
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  Speaker 1: pass up.
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  Speaker 2: You do it. He wound up being successful.
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  Speaker 1: It created a world where I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other guys could wind up getting drafted in those positions.
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  Speaker 2: So like, I think that's part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Two, as a straight football player, I still think he's
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  Speaker 1: the greatest short yardage option that there has ever been.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that that part matters.
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  Speaker 1: And three, He went to the Super Bowl as the
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback of a team whose best wide receiver was
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  Speaker 1: Featherstone from Necessary Roughness, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 2: Ted Gitt. Yeah. I mean, that's that. So that is
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  Speaker 2: I saw when people were getting the, you know, all
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  Speaker 2: riled up about the Cam versus Jalen Hurts stuff. I
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  Speaker 2: saw it going around that Cam's team that year has
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  Speaker 2: the all time record for most first team all pros.
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  Speaker 2: And they were like, oh, and you're saying he carried them.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where it's like, yeah, because we watched the games.
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  Speaker 2: We were there. Like, listen, Keekly is unbelievable. They did
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  Speaker 2: have a very good defense. There is no denying any
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  Speaker 2: of that. But we were there. He was the, I
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  Speaker 2: think that season, he was the only quarterback in the
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  Speaker 2: league that would have had that team in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: much less 15-1 because, and again, that defense was awesome,
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  Speaker 2: but that offense was so non-functional aside from Cam Newton
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  Speaker 2: doing dope shit. And what kind of gets forgotten about
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  Speaker 2: Cam is it didn't end there. Because he had, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it was the next year. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: look it up real quick. Two years later, I remember
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  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, he had a duel with Breeze. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was exactly two years later. They lost to Breeze
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  Speaker 2: in 2017, 31-26. Cam threw for 350, two touchdowns, had
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  Speaker 2: a 105 rating, ran for another 40. He kept showing up,
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  Speaker 2: and then it ended quickly. But the Cam versus, because
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  Speaker 2: I was going to ask you someone else versus Breeze,
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  Speaker 2: so we'll bounce around a bit. Because I think Breeze
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  Speaker 2: has a potential gripe here. And so my question is,
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  Speaker 2: how long and hard did you consider Lamar versus Breeze?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that is a good question, because I think that
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  Speaker 1: Lamar versus Cam probably would have been the one.
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  Speaker 2: Now, some may be asking.
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  Speaker 1: The question, gee, Bomani, is it possible that you put
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  Speaker 1: together the whole list? And because Drew Breeze acts like
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  Speaker 1: such an old fucking man, you forgot that you and
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  Speaker 1: he actually graduated from high school the same year and
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  Speaker 1: therefore would have been eligible.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's on the board.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that happens. That's the why. That's the brilliance
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  Speaker 2: of the wildcard spot.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you know what? I wanted to. Drew Brees
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  Speaker 2: is going to slide in at 20 and it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be perfect. Better than Cam Newton. Not quite as
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  Speaker 2: good as Lamar Jackson. Like, what do you want from me?
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  Speaker 2: Help me help you. Help me help you. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: The thing about Drew Brees, though, now that we've mentioned it,
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  Speaker 1: because I do think probably he might be the person
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  Speaker 1: of all people who has the biggest gripe because he's
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  Speaker 1: We've never had anything like this, or maybe we have,
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  Speaker 1: but I can't think of a situation like this because
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  Speaker 1: I think people have forgotten this about Drew Brees. Drew
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  Speaker 1: Brees was so bad his third year in the league
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  Speaker 1: that not only did they draft his replacement, he won
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  Speaker 1: comeback player of the year in 04. And what was
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  Speaker 1: he coming back from?
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  Speaker 2: He was never there.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't even hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing. People see that award and in their head,
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  Speaker 2: they think it's because, oh, he won that post shoulder,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whatever. It's like, no, he was just coming
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: back from being awful. Right. It was it was it
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: was truly just you were so bad and then you
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: were great.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And this is also why I have no– he is
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: why I have no sympathy for Kirk Cousins in Atlanta
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: because they went and drafted Drew Brees' replacement.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: They brought him in.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And you could say, look, Rivers held out that year
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: and that's the reason why he wasn't a starter.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's it.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: But what Drew Brees did there was win his job
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: for the rest of his career wherever the.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Place may be, right?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Then he got the shoulder injury at the end of
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: 05 that stopped Miami from taking him because he blew
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the box on the physical and New Orleans rolled the dice.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: right yes and it worked like it is an amazing
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: career nobody I don't know if any football player truly
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: means more to their city than Drew Brees means to
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: New Orleans.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: So that's something Greg Rosenthal is big on he went
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to college at Tulane he's it seems.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: With Anthony Jeselnik by the way oh yeah they're they're
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: they're like this.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah that's right they did a pod together very
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: fairly maybe they still do yeah I think Greg's great
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I think he's outstanding but he mentions that point about
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Drew a lot, about how much he means to New Orleans. Now,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I will say this. If, and I am highly skeptical,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: if Sean Payton and all these shitties talking about how
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: great Bo Nix is going to be in the Broncos
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: are going to be and how he's reinventing quarterback evaluations
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and telling anyone who will listen, you know, how, what
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: a find they have. If Bo Nix turns into a superstar,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I actually think it dims Drew Brees a little bit.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I think, I think, I think then all of a
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: sudden retroactively we're like, Oh, that was more Sean Payton
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: just a little bit. But I, I think the opposite
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: is going to happen. I think Sean Payton thinks, shoot,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I can do this with Bo. Look what I did
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: with Drew. And he's about to find out, nah, man,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: those two dudes are not the same.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Buddy, we about to have them Denver folks up in
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: my keister once more. I've never seen other, not even
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Buffalo fans were as protective of their young quarterback as
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the Denver people seem to be of Bo Nix.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I had no idea. Does that mean it's power hour? Yeah.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, hey, I'm not here yet.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I find that you and I, with one exception, have
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: similar levels of skepticism about everyone about whom we are skeptical.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Was the exception Lamar?
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I get your point. I don't think you're wrong.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I just think after last year, I feel a bit different.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Last year with Lamar felt like, you remember in the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: 2012 season when LeBron was hitting all those, when we
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, I don't know if LeBron could do
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: it at the end, and he was hitting all those
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: would-be game winners, but then somebody would pull a horseshoe
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: out their ass right after that, and it was a
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: whole three months where that happened. I felt like Lamar
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and Buffalo, the corner was turned, and they just kind of– So.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I think that's on the board. I think the second
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: half of that game– might end up being, even though
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: they lost one of the more important fork in the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: road moments, because it had all the makings of another
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: playoff meltdown. And then he played great in the second half. And,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: you know, people always point to the Andrews drop. It
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: was the Andrews fumble earlier in the second half that
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: really you know, it helped them or prevented them from
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: digging out of that hole earlier. So I don't mind
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: saying any of that. What I mind, because I also
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: went on Mina's Power Hour, what I mind is all
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of the folks who, because he played so well in
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the second half, are it their take on that game
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: is Lamar played great that game like well no he
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: he was he was brilliant one happened at a rough
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: another app but we don't have to talk about we
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: don't have to do that right now um so and
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I also don't think here's the tricky thing about so
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: you have Peyton on the list I don't know if
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: we're doing this the way you want to do it
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: however you want to do it big dog um people
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: bring up like you know Peyton was a guy who
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: struggled in the playoffs And then he got over the hump.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And the reality is, not really. Peyton struggled in the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: playoffs kind of the whole way through his career, but
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: was so good in the regular season, and there are
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: so many times that you're just bound to have a
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: season where even though you struggle, you guys win anyway. Again,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to fact check myself in real time. I
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: think the year Peyton won his first Super Bowl, in
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: that playoff run, I want to make sure I'm right
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: about this. Yeah, 06 Colts, playoff Peyton Manning. They win
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Three touchdowns, seven picks, a 70 rating.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: He didn't all of a sudden, like, you know what
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I mean? Exercise his demons. All of a sudden he was,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: when you're at the roulette table that many times, you're
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: going to hit your number. Like, and he got himself there.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: And so I find I, the point that I'm, the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: reason I bring that up about Lamar is I don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: even necessarily think Lamar has to all of a sudden, like,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: become regular season Lamar in the postseason for him to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: become a champion. When you're that dominant in the regular
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: season every single year and you have that many chances, eventually,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: even if you're not great, things are going to break
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: your way. And so I do think, you know, I
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: think Lamar is because he's a two time and could
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: have been three time MVP. I have no problem with
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: his placement on the list. I think him being right
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: behind Aaron Rodgers is correct, though. I think Rodgers is
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: fairly ahead of them.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think bringing Peyton Manning into this is interesting
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: because I think Lamar and Peyton Manning are very similar
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: in that what has gotten them in the playoffs.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And again, we were there. We watched these games.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Thinking a little bit too much, right? Like you can
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: see the log, especially with Peyton Manning, where the conscious
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: decision was made every year, we're not going to change anything, right?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: And so now all of a sudden teams are doing
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: something different. And I think both of them have the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: issue of good to very good arms, but not great arms.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: And the postseason, the windows get shorter and guys can
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: break on those out routes a little more. And they
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: know that, right? Like they reached a point in their
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: careers where they came to understand that. But they are
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: very similar in where it is that they have come
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: up short.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: But you are right.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: The 06 run for Peyton Manning, he wasn't doing it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Like it was not, it wasn't that. It wasn't that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Bob Sanders came back and everything felt different. Correct.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: And so like Lamar needs that, you know, he, he
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: has two paths and the odds are he hits one
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: of them. All right. So let me ask the, can we,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I want to switch to basketball because you said something interesting.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Duncan's 21 could be as high as 11.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: So what is, so this is the basketball guys. Cause
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: it's very hard to be like, here's why Mike Trout's
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: better than Tim Duncan. So I'm just kind of sticking
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: with the sport. So you have Duncan. Then Durant in
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: descending order. Duncan 21, Durant 13, Kobe 12, Steph 11.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Explain Duncan being behind all those guys.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: As a bit of a rhetorical device. So the whole
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: way we could always ask the question, are you sure
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that guy is better than Tim Duncan?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Right? Like that was part of it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: When we were doing the first part, I was like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: oh man, Tim Duncan.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I hadn't put him in the list. And then I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: put Tim Duncan in. And then as I kept going
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and had all these other people, I was like, wow,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure any of them are better than Tim Duncan.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But if I need to make the case against Tim Duncan,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: it is a very interesting case. Tim Duncan was, is
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a three-time finals MVP, and he is a five-time champion.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And he does it in San Antonio.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And I think it is very important to note, David
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Robinson had not gotten a title until Tim Duncan got there. And, and,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and I think this is a big one. Tim Duncan
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: got his championship.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Before Shaq did.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Which to me meant that he wound up being a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: bit of a gilded lily after two years in the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: NBA and in a way where we did not criticize
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: some of the places where he came up short. For example,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the Lakers won three straight rings on his watch. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: number two, when the Spurs lose a series, baby, the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Spurs lose a series.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: They have gotten run out of there a bunch of times.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: The other thing, Tim Duncan also has the game seven
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: series win against the Pistons where you look at the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: stat line in 05 and it looks incredible. And then
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you go look at FGM versus FGA and it's like,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: oh no, these shots weren't really going in at all.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Tim Duncan would have had the great shot in 04
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: against the Lakers that Derek Fisher then erased. But if
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you look at how terrified he was when he put
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: up that shot, that turnaround that went in that made
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: that shot happen.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Of course. I believe it was game seven.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: In 2013 where he short-armed the layup because I remember
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: sitting there in the press room.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: It was game seven, and then LeBron came down and
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: hit the jumper, and the series is over.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: And he looked so sad, like he had blown the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: NBA finals.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: They pounded the floor. Yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: But I remember I was, because I was there. That
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: was in Miami. I was there when he was at
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the dais after the game, dressed like an old Navy flannel,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't 105 degrees outside, you know, all that.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And I just remember how down he looked. And I
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, nobody's going to talk about the fact
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that Tim Duncan just blew the game because he's Tim Duncan. Like,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: there is a run of Tim Duncan bullshits didn't really
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: come up in this moment throughout his career that we
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: don't talk about because all we talk about is how
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: nobody talks about Tim Duncan enough. That being said, maybe
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the most impactful team defender that has ever walked the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: face of the earth.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Well, so I thought you were going to go... See,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I would... I would have gone with a different argument,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: which is, oh, no, no, no. Duncan's better than all
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: those guys.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: But.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: That's for his career. And one of those titles and
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: one of his best seasons ever was 1999. So it
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't count. Like, that's what I thought you were going
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to say. You know what? That's fair. Yeah. Like, no, no, no.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: This is 2000. So Duncan doesn't have five rings on
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: this list. He has four. He doesn't have a rookie
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: of the year. He doesn't have, you know, he doesn't
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: have three finals MVPs. He has two. And so because, listen,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I think Duncan is... I kind of put all time
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: NBA guys into buckets. And I think like bucket one
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: is the three guys with the goat argument, Bron, Kareem,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and Jordan. Bucket two is Magic, Russell, Wilt, Duncan. And
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: then it gets messy. And we are now getting in
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the messy portion of it with your bold take that's
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: not so bold but feels bold to people, that Steph
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Curry is better than Kobe Bryant. Okay, put a pin
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: in that one. Put a pin in that one.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: We are going to take a break, and coming up next,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that and the two things
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that I know made Nick the most furious.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, we're saving those. All right, we are back.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Nick Wright, we are going through the top 25 athletes
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of the last 25 years. We have basically gotten through
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the top 14. Now we're at the top 13. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: we've got Kevin Durant, 13, Kobe Bryant, 12, Steph Curry, 11.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Where are you? Well, so here's the thing. I think,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: excuse me, Kobe has... gone through a very interesting arc
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of legacy that obviously was severely complicated by his tragic
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: passing and the circumstances surrounding that. I think for the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: vast majority of the last 15 years, Kobe has been
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: significantly overrated. and when I say significantly overrated it's not
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: because I'm like man he's like 15 it's because he
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: was elevated into a true Is he the greatest? And
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: if he's not, you know, top two or three all time.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And there is simply no legitimate argument for that. No
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: one can create it. It falls apart at the lightest inspection.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of where he lived for a while.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: And now, just as of late, I know Bleacher Report did,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: you know, their 100 greatest or whatever, and Kobe was...
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: right outside the top 10. And it felt like that
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to me felt like an overcorrection where I, I do not,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I think Kobe versus Steph is a legitimate argument and
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I can understand. I think you could do, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Douglas style debate, tell me, pick the side and
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I could make a compelling case. So I don't mind
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that you have Steph, you know, one spot ahead of him.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I would have Kobe a spot ahead of him. When
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: people are constructing the most obvious, hey, Kobe was great,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: but dot, dot, dot arguments, they're going to point to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a few things. One is that the first championship, he
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: was not yet a great player. So be it. That's true.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And the next two, he was a great player, but
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: he had arguably the most dominant NBA force ever, which
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: is 01 and 02 Shaq, peak of his powers. And
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: then they are going to quickly point to the 0-5-0-6-0-7.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Miss the playoffs, bounce in round one, blow a 3-1
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: lead in round one during his prime. That is totally fair.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Steph doesn't get that at all. When if we look
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: at Steph post-Durant, the Warriors have in this more than
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: half decade stretch, they have won a title. missed the
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: playoffs multiple times, gotten bounced early multiple times, and Steph
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: has had some rough moments. And again, I think Steph
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: is right on the outside of the top 10 all time.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not knocking him. My point is, And his version
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: of Kobe at peak Shaq is Steph for two of
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: his four, obviously, had arguably the most stacked team of
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: all time. And Durant's there, and Durant's winning finals MVP
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: like Shaq was winning it over Kobe. So I just
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: think there are a lot of similar, again, nits to pick.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And so to me, the tie goes to just Kobe's
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: impact as a defender. which is going to give him
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: such a massive edge over Steph. And so that, I
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: think it's a legit argument. I would have Kobe ahead
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: of him. But I think we are maybe approaching, you know, homeostasis,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: if you will, in the Kobe Bryant, like, arguments. Like,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: there was a long time people thought it was outrageous
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to have Duncan ahead of Kobe. Now it's become for
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: some something of conventional wisdom. So I think that is
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: more correct. But I just think that I think Kobe's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: always been competing with Duncan and Bird and now Steph.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: And people wanted him to be competing with Michael and
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: LeBron and Magic. And I just don't think he was.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that everything you said there was dead on.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And I honestly think that when I started really rethinking
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the Tim Duncan thing was when I got to Kobe.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And I was like, ooh.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Because look, they've got a back and forth between the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: two of them throughout history with their teams going against
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: each other. I have always said. I think Afro Kobe
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: has proven to be underrated. I think 24 proved to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: be a bit underrated. But your point about the three
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: down years versus Steph three down years are interesting in
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: part because the NBA has changed just a bit. And
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: it is possible now for, for example, this version of
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: LeBron James to only get past the first round of
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the playoff once in five years. that would never have
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: happened in the iteration of the NBA that we're talking
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: about before, right? If you had a player as good
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: as that, you were going to get a round, maybe two, like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like you were going to get there. When
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that happened with Kobe and the part that I have
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: trouble shaking in my head is flat out watching him
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: in game seven of the 2007 first round against Phoenix,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: where he just flat out stopped taking shots to prove
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: some point, right?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Like the- Up 3-1.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Up 3-1.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: In a series, you had been up 3-1 flat. So
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that is the other part. Flat out quit and then
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: demanded a trade.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, he did.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And then went and then was talking. It is now,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: now if you tell people, oh man, he was caught
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: on video bad-mouthing his teammates. People don't understand what caught
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: on video in 2007 meant. You must have been saying
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: this to everyone you saw for weeks on end before
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: you ran into someone who had a handheld camcorder on
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: them to where they could get it. Like caught on
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: video back then meant you got really unlucky or it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: all you were doing. It's not today. Nobody was walking
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: around with video cameras. And so that part, he went
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: on Stephen A's radio show and asked for a trade.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Said he wanted to go to Pluto. Yes. And so
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: that part has been a little bit memory hold. And again,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying... I think he is obviously an all-time legend.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: And I do think that there is... Another thing I believe.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I think efficiency, once upon a time, was wildly underrated.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: And now... Like that, I'll go back to Bleacher Report list,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: which had David Robinson like cartoonishly high. I think they
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: had him like, you know, like 14 or something. I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: think there are certain things where some of the analytics
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: can be misleading. I want to ask one Durant thing
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: before we get to what my real issues are, because
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: you're right, I have some real issues. Well, hold on.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Let me say one thing right fast before you get
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to Durant. On Steph, I think a big part of
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: me on Steph is this. Who do you think had
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: a better supporting cast? Kobe Bryant in 2009 and 2010
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: or Steph Curry in 2015?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: That one, that one I think is close. I don't
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: think it's close 2022. I think that Kobe had the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: far better supporting cast than Steph for his final title. Right.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: That's the first. Yeah, go ahead. This is why I
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: say that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I think that as Michael Jordan made a Hall of
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Famer of Scottie Pippen, I think that Steph Curry made
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famers of Klay Thompson and Drayvon Green. That's
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a big thing for me, is I think we underrate
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the level to which the presence of Steph Curry, once
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Steve Curry got there, elevated everybody that was around them.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: That's why they could win 73 games the next year
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and need to go get Kevin Durant after that season,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: because they really didn't have as much as it looked
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: like they had.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I think that's totally legit. I think that obviously there's
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: a million ways Draymond's career plays out, and this was
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the absolute best case scenario. You know what I mean?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: There are no better versions for Draymond Green than everything
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: that fell, and he obviously earned it. I do think that,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: but I think that goes in the other direction at
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: least a touch as well, which is Draymond... being so
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: brilliant defensively and such a tough leader, I think that
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: there were better players that could have been Steph's defensive
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: anchor or whatever, and Steph's career doesn't, they don't reach
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the height they reached there. All right, my only Durant
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: question is, how much do you care that post-Warriors he
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: has played zero games past round two. And it really
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: feels like only has had one stretch of high leverage basketball.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And that was that round two series against the Bucs
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: where he played the best basketball of his life.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Now, if his foot's back just a little bit in 2021, whoa,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the way we talk about him and the way we
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: talk about Giannis are both wildly different. Like Giannis is
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: in the Paul Pierce, Dirk Nowitzki. Boy, that one title
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: changed a lot, didn't it list, right?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Correct. Like they're both there.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I think Kevin Durant has an argument around 2017 for
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: having been the best player in the NBA, right? I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: think you and I would both agree that it was
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: probably LeBron James through that stretch. But in 2014, when
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: he won the MVP, I mean, he has an argument
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that he was the best player in the NBA, at
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: least for that season. Then you go and you put
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: LeBron and the Cavs out two times. You hit the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: shots that wind up doing it. I think we don't
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: give him enough credit for the peak.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: At that point.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, everything that happened after that, I think I'm
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: not an apologist for him, but I think he gets
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: a bad rap for leaving a place that clearly made
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: him miserable. And we know i don't penalize him for
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that i don't criticize him for leaving golden state because
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: It was remarkable to me how many people were like
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: me in the media saying, why did you go there?
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: This is bullshit. You shouldn't have gone there. And then
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: when he left, they're like, that was sure stupid. You
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: could have won all the titles. I, you know, I'm
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: not going to criticize the guy for going somewhere and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: then criticize him for leaving. Okay. All right, let's get
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: to it. One random rant. Say it again. No, no,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I thought you were ready to get down, but you
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: can go ahead with your rant. Well, no, we are
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: going to get to it, but just I have to
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: do say something because there is only one person on
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: this list that is in the top 10 that I
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: find galling, and that's Michael Phelps. And this is a
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: longstanding belief of mine, which is swimmers... are overrated historically
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: because of the surplus of metal opportunities available to them.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Cause it's, it's just, you can't convince me that there's,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: it's not, it's, you know, just a coincidence that my
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: whole life growing up, it's like the greatest Olympian ever spits.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And then the greatest Olympian ever Phelps and Ledecky. And
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: it's because like, as I've said before, If during bolt prime,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: they're like, hey, man, you can win four golds in
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the hundred. You're going to run it forwards, backwards, skip
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: and sideways and then felt bolts up there with 20 golds.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Like I just think so that I think that's they
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: cook the books in what's available to the swimmers at
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the Olympics. That's all. Yes, I think that's fair.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: And I had been there with you for a long time.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And I realized sometimes at points I had to stop
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: and ask myself if I was being like even a
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: little too pro-black for my own good.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like a
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: lot of our.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: American affection for swimming is a bit jingoistic with a touch.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Not quite schism, but exceptionalism. How about that? That's a
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: better way to put it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: But the more I talked to people who paid attention
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to it and the fact that, and Ryan pointed this out,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: he won a bunch of golds in 2004 and a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: bunch of golds in 2016. That made me stop and say,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: you know what? Even if we separate the eight gold
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: medals thing, that there's something to be said for what
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: he did while also acknowledging because his event takes place
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: in water and water is kinder on your joints, it
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: made it possible to do all this stuff.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, and it's a little tongue-in-cheek, but it's just,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I have no problem at all. This might shock you.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I have no problem at all with Bolt 1. I
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: think Bolt's the greatest athlete, arguably the greatest athlete to
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: ever live. I think it is, and... So like it was,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it's the people that elevate Phelps ahead of Bolt because
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: of the metal count that I find absolutely infuriating. I
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: think they all live in America, by the way.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I think they all live in America and half of
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: them have Caitlin Clark jerseys.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Okay. Patrick Mahomes behind Shohei Otani is, I think, the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: worst sports take I've ever seen. I just want... I
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: don't even know what to say about it. I don't
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: even know how to... I saw it. I was like,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to argue against it. It is
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: such an outrageous opinion. It's founded in nothing. It makes
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: me objectively mad that you have Patrick Mahomes behind Ohtani.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, let me throw this out here at you, right?
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Because I knew this was going to happen. I knew
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: this was going to happen.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: What if Patrick Mahomes also... ran like Lamar Jackson. That
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: is Shohei Ohtani, analogous to baseball. It's not just that
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: he's a pitcher, it's that he was.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: A great pitcher.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: And 50-50, man. 50 home runs in Dodger Stadium is
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: crazy enough. Throw 50 steals on top of it? Hey, man,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: he might be the greatest baseball player of all time.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: So here's my only, and again, I'm not trying to
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: neg Shohei Ohtani. I I feel like he was in
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: route to that status, but the couple years without pitching
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: to where he went from, oh my God, you know,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: this is Babe Ruth to a lesser, like the thing is,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Babe Ruth was this amazing pitcher and really good hitter.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Then he was just a hitter and was the greatest
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: hitter of all time. Otani was, you know, a minus
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: to a plus at both, then stop pitching and stay,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: you know, got better as a hitter, but people could
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: argue he's the second best hitter in baseball. People could
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: have argued it was Aaron judge. Like that's a legitimate argument.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And so I just, for him with this relatively small
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: of a, I shouldn't say small cause it's around the
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: same length careers, my homes, but, uh, But in a
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: different sport. In a different sport and where he didn't...
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: He is... He needed to be a two-way player full-time
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: if he wasn't going to be year after year after year,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: head and shoulders the best at one thing. And so
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: that's my only gripe. When I think Mahomes, I think
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: that because the last couple years, the regular season numbers
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: haven't been good. I think oddly Mahomes has become wildly underrated.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: And that it is, people don't understand how utterly insane
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: it is that if he never plays again, he has
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: more playoff wins than everyone but Brady. More than Joe
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: freaking Montana. That he already has the second most conference
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: championship game appearances and Super Bowl appearances ever. of any
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: quarterback ever. That his app, the worst we have ever
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: seen him, is over the course of a total season,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: 14 wins and a loss in a conference championship game.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: That is where Mahomes is different than every other athlete
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: on this list. There is no dip. Aaron Donald, I
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: guess you could argue, but it's again, different position and
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: different impact on team success. where it has just been
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: record-breaking excellence every single moment. And his, you know, people
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: say last year was his worst year when his team
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: won 17 games en route to try and lost once
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: all year with him until the Super Bowl en route
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: to trying to become the first team ever to three-peat. Like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: it's just, it is, we've become a little numb to it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: So yeah, having him behind You know, again, I love
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: the Floyd I was hoping was going to be on here.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Serena is the greatest female athlete ever, in my opinion.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I know you have Biles ahead of her, so I'm
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: not going to take huge issue with that. But I
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: just think Mahomes has become and I wouldn't have Mahomes
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: ahead of Brady yet. I think he will get there,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: but I wouldn't have him ahead of Brady yet. There
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: is someone I'd have ahead of Brady that you don't.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: But I think Mahomes at 10 feels wrong.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: OK, so I was a little torn because, you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: look at this level, as I told people when we
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: got to this place in the list, everybody in the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: top 10 has an argument for being the greatest of
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: all time in their sport. I don't know if I'd
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: say that all of them have an argument for being
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: number one on the list per se, but all of them,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: that was the separating factor. Like everybody that got there,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: the margins are, yes, going to.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Wind up being thin.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I think you're right because I made those points when
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: we kind of set it up about all the things
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: that Mahomes had done there.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: In getting to this.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And I do think that we actually underrate how not
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: just great and not just consistently great.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: It's all we know. Right. Like it's all we know.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Keeping in mind that as a first year starter, the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: only way the Patriots could beat them was to do
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: something I've never seen in a football game.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Which is basically go ISO.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Gronk, take Rob Gronkowski, split them out wide against your
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: hall of fame safety.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I know he hadn't played all year, but still, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: just look, he just going to throw his hand up
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and we just going to throw the ball to him
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: all the way down. Cause that's the only chance that
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: we have in the course of this game. And that
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: is with a dude who was the 10th pick in
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the draft. This was not a sure thing that this
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: was not Andrew Luck coming into the league, right? Like
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: this wasn't Trevor Lawrence. This wasn't a guy that we
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: were certain it was going to happen. And so, uh,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I think all of that is correct. I think you
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: make a fairly good argument for him over Ohtani, and
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: you could for some of the other people as we
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: creep up on the list. But I knew you were
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: going to say something about this. So, I mean, why
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: not Tom Brady over LeBron? Here's why.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Don't hold back, by the way. Don't hold back. I'm
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: not holding back. I just want to phrase it exactly right.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: There was... No, as has been proven out, I think.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: There was absolutely no set of circumstances that was going
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: to lead to LeBron James being anything other than one of,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: if not the single greatest player in the history of
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: his sport. And I would argue he got quite unlucky
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: with who drafted him, How they built that team, all
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: of that for the first half decade of his career
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: where he was probably at his athletic prime and had
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to overcome it. Brady had the exact opposite. There are
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: a bunch of scenarios where Tom Brady does not... We
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: don't find out who Tom Brady is until he's 27
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: years old. There are a bunch of scenarios where Tom Brady,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: if it's flatly, forget even if he gets on the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: field early, if he is not with the coach and
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the defense and the team that he was with early on,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: he is in the early parts of the 2000s an afterthought.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: And so when one guy has the perfect setup and
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: the other guy has close to the opposite, And they're
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: where they stand historically in their sports in the record
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: books is the same. I don't see the argument for
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Tom over Bron. especially let me add one other thing,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: especially when you made it clear you're in for cam,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: you're including the whole career. Well, Bron was the best
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: high schooler in the world. Bron was the number one pick.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I care that Bron was on the cover of sports
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: illustrated and Brady was in a college quarterback battle at Michigan.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I care about that. All right.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I would throw, I think I got three questions
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: out there for you. Number one, What if I were
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: to say that LeBron won one of his championships in
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: an empty gym and that thereby maybe delegitimizes it a
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: little bit?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, what I would say is, I know you're
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: smarter than that and you don't actually believe that, but
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I would remind you that Tom Brady won one of
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: his championships in the same exact scenario. Brady won- At
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: his home stadium. At a home stadium in the COVID year.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: So I would say that I would, I would then
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: also say, and like, like, well, go ahead and keep going. No, no, no, no.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Keep saying it. Keep saying it. No, I just, I,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like some of Tom's coaches, you know, on
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: the record cheating and You know what I mean? Is
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: at least a slight little, little, again, ding, if we're
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: comparing him to Bron. What's the question? Okay.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: What if I said that nobody won four championships on
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: LeBron James, on Tom Brady's watch, the way Steph Curry
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: won four championships on LeBron James' watch?
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Okay. So you're, see, I, I hate the on his
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: watch thing so much because this is actually a Jordan thing.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And then when I say things like, here is the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: list of people who won championships on Michael Jordan's watch,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and that list is... Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Larry Bird,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas, Akeem Olajuwon, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, because his watch didn't really start until like 1990s.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: See, that's what I'm saying. That's what it became, his watch.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, his watch started late and ended early.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't say that Tim Duncan's won the 03, 05,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and 07s on LeBron's watch. In fact, I feel like
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: LeBron snuck in there before his watch even started. Well,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I do not... It's my opinion on Steph having those
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: titles actually only enhances my opinion of LeBron, which is
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: this guy, Steph, who is, in your opinion, the 11th
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: greatest athlete across sports of the last quarter century. That
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: guy was so utterly demoralized by LeBron that he had
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to go get the 13th greatest athlete of the last
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: quarter century to come help him. And I will add
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: that it won't make the first page of the Hall
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: of Fame speech, but what should is, peak LeBron James
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: was so good that if you held him to 28
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: a game on 57% shooting, or if you held him
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: to 36, 13, and 9, they awarded you finals MVP.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: They were like, holy shit, what a great job you
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: did on it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: That's fair, even if, you know, Tom Brady never let
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: a German win a championship in space.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? No, let Nick Foles instead.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Nick Foles. Okay, okay. I have a third question for you.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: A third question for you.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: What if I told you that I didn't actually have
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady over LeBron James on this list, but we.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Just did that in the version that we sent to you? Oh,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Is that for real? Yes, it is. What an outrage.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: So your top three is Bolt, Woods, Braun. It is, yeah.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's Usain Bolt number one, Tiger Woods number two,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: LeBron James number three. And by the way, it's really
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: kind of a tie with two and three.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Like I just, it was almost a coin flip on
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: But as I was doing this, I was like, what
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: would Nick do if he found out I put Tom
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Brady over LeBron James?
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: There's only one way to find out. Oh my God. Well, you,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I was, I got to tell you, I was shocked.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: And I just feel we are we're recording this right
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: before you unveil the top of the list. So it's
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: not that I haven't been following. It's just people will
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: hear this and think, why didn't I know? It's because
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: you guys played a dirty, dirty trick on me. Yes,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: we did. In fact, the only.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Reason I played this dirty trick was the reason that
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: you just pointed out.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, you'll never see it coming. You'll have
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: no way to understand that this is happening.
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  Speaker 3: The hard part was trying to get you to really
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: lose your shit because you respect me a little bit
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  Speaker 3: too much to actually do that.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: It's two things. I respect you and, you know, by proxy,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I work with Tom. So like this is whenever like
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Tom versus my home stuff comes up. I'm in a
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: very tricky spot because as evidenced by some of these
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: debates and it's unfortunate the way it works. Very often
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: when you're trying to say this guy was better than
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: that guy, you spend less time talking about the great
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: things about the guy you're arguing for and more time
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: like we forgot about this with the other great guy.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: So I have to be careful. But yeah. All right. Well,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: that's a dirty trick and I'm leaving now. All right.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Nick Wright. Check him out.
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